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From YouTube: CNCF Reference Architecture Meeting - 2018-09-12
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A
Unmute
I've
been
muted
here
for
the
last
minute,
so
welcome
to
a
reference
architecture
call
can
folks
confirm
they
can
hear
me
now
yeah.
We
can
hear
you,
then
Thanks
so
I.
We
have
a
new
version
of
the
landscape
that
we're
talking
about
that
I
sent
out
by
email
yesterday
and
once
I
could
see
enough
for
taking
notes
today,
I'd
love
to
get
people's
impressions
on
this
and
changes
or
ideas
for
either
dispersion
or
things
we
might
want
to
change
going
forward.
A
B
A
Okay,
we
couldn't
even
call
on
you
I
think
you
had
some
concerns
about
hysterics
and
others
and
I
think
there's
some
belief.
That
envoy
is
going
to
be
unhappy
with
being
moved
over
to
load,
balancer
and
I.
Think
you
were
making
an
argument
that
they
needed
to
be
because
they
don't
have
a
control
point.
Oh.
C
A
A
C
C
One
way
that
that
statement
is
implicitly
reinforced
is
that
if
you
look
at
projects
that
fall
into
the
service
master
category-
and
there
may
be
a
few
that
we
don't
have
listed
here-
they
are
envoy-
has
enjoyed
a
lot
of
reuse
and
ingestion
into
other
projects,
as
other
projects
are
building
capabilities
on
top
of
envoy
and
some
want.
Generally,
those
capabilities
are
oftentimes,
referred
to
as
the
control
plan,
whether
it's
a
control
plane
or
just
some
other
set
of
code.
That's
giving
envoy
instruction
and
telling
envoy
what
to
do.
There's
a
lot
of
that.
C
There's
there's
one
in
here
that
probably
follows
more
into
the
API
gateway
category
old
ambassador,
and
we
might
have
it
in
this
list
or
not
I'm,
not
sure
I,
don't
know
that
we
we
have
to
yeah
it's
under.
A
C
Eggwin,
so
it's
built
on
so
this
is
great
example
image.
So
ambassador
is
prominently
built
on
top
of
on
morning,
but
it
adds
some
additional
things
toward
what
you
need
as
an
API
gateway,
SDA
leverages
on
way,
but
it
can
be
displaced
by
other
by
nginx
or
or
other
load
balancers,
some
of
which
we
aren't
in
here,
but
and
so
I
think
that
actually
just
giving
those
as
examples
reinforces
the
notion
that
hey
envoy,
isn't,
you
know,
doesn't
have
all
the
capabilities
that
you
would
expect
them.
D
A
D
C
A
D
E
A
C
Well,
yeah,
maybe
I
will
make
this
next
statement
by
reinforcing
what
you
just
said,
which
is
categorizations,
is
hard.
The
way
in
which
I
had
thought
of
hystrix
in
the
past,
and
even
a
little
bit
of
ribbing
and
finagle
and
akka
was
something
of
client
libraries
which
isn't
the
category
that
we
have
here.
C
A
For
history,
I
was
going
to
use
the
excuse
that
they
don't
have
a
commit
in
the
last
four
months
to
remove
them
for
now,
and
we
can
look
at
adding
the
back
at
some
point
in
the
future
if
they
think
the
project
becomes
active
again.
But
it's
made
for
this
their
last
commit
and-
and
we
generally
try
to
take
people
out
after
three
months-
the
the
place
where
it
also
has
come
up.
Is
we
had
service
cone
under
at
which
we
moved
up
to
application
definition
and
image
build
and.
A
C
A
I
do
want
to
give
a
shout
out
here
to
Andrey
Kozlov
who's,
the
developer
and
in
Europe
who's
been
working
with
us
for
almost
a
year
now
on
the
interactive
landscape
and
has
just
done
spectacular.
Work
on
having
this
dynamically
generated,
static,
landscape,
so
he's
on
the
call
for
the
first
time
and
I
will
just
paste
in
to
kind
of
cool
links
that
to
sort
of
it
with
one
of
the
things
that
this
now
allows
is
that
you
can
filter
on
the
static
landscape.
A
So
the
first
link
is
some
just
looking
at
the
Apache
projects
and
I
think
it's
pretty
interesting
how
they
are
on
the
top
left
side
of
our
of
our
landscape.
And
then
here
are
the
CN
CF
ones,
and
you
can
see
that
we're
sort
of
much
more
scattered
around,
but
there's
still
definitely
some
areas.
We
that
don't
have
a
sense.
Yet
posted
project.
A
A
F
F
A
Okay,
the
challenge
for
you
is
that
we
generally
have
a
rule
of
one
product
per
company,
or
else
that's
sort
of
the
product
that
the
company
is
best
known
for,
and
the
exception
for
is
that
we
do
is
with
the
two
exceptions.
I
guess
are
open-source
projects
so
like
hashey
Corp
is
on
here
five
times
and
few
plaid
providers
that
have
a
just
a
huge
number
of
offerings.
But
even
there
we've
been
pretty
stingy
on
how
many
we
do,
but
I
think
the
simplest
one
is
just
the
what's
already
listed
on
on
platform.
A
So
if
you
could
even
just
slack
me
the
details,
I'm
happy
to
make
that
change
for
you
right
away,
because
I
actually
I
think
we
are
just
about
ready
to
publish
this
and
and
hopefully
it's
going
to
get
kind
of
a
new
focus
and
engagement.
When
people
see
how
cool
just
aesthetically
generate
these
some
dynamically
generate.
These
static
images,
yeah.
F
F
G
E
A
Yeah
at
some
point
will
have
so
many
projects
on
here
that
this
won't
work
anymore.
I
guess
is
another
way
of
answering
it.
For
now
we
can
slightly
shrink
the
size
of
the
of
the
cards
that
we
needed
to
so
I'm,
hoping
we
have
another
six
months
or
a
year
before
we
need
to
do
a
major
rethinking
of
this
and
I
mean
I
will
point
out
that
yeah,
the
kind
of
natural
things
we
could
get
rid
of
is
the
the
platforms
and
the
the
KC
SPS
and
the
K
TPS.
E
Just
wondering
the
plan
yeah
if
well,
is
there
a
way
to
view
projects
that
we
were
just
talking
about
on
boyband
as
a
service
mesh?
Where
is
it
going
to
go?
Would
it
be
reverse
proxying
and
other
things
there's
projects
which
different
and
people
would
think
should
be
in
a
different
category?
Is
there
support
for
saying
this
project
is
a
main
category
that
you
can
filter
and
look
at
it
in
a
different
category,
so
it
would
actually
show
up.
A
B
I'm,
sorry,
we
feel
that
not
just
it
can
be
in
different
categories
and
not
just
in
the
messaging
and
streaming
so
we
would
like,
like
that,
would
be
a
good
may
be
solution
to
what
we're
saying
where
we
could
have
the
main
landscape
with
us
in
the
streaming
and
messaging.
But
then,
if
you
filter
it
differently,
you
could
also
see
it
in
in
other
spaces.
I
think
that
might
be
a
good
plan.
I
think.
G
B
H
This
is
Colin
and
yeah.
I
do
think
that'd
be
a
great
idea
of
having
subcategories,
maybe
in
the
or
overlapping
categories,
maybe
in
the
project
details
and
then
you
know,
from
a
different
perspective,
being
able
to
filter
so
show
me
everything
that
can
be
a
load
balancer
or
show
me
everything
that
can
be
a
service
mesh
and
maybe
on
this
front
page
you
see
the
primary
areas
that
projects
are
in
but
upon
filtering
you
can
get
a
more
detailed
list
right,
I.
I
Like
that
idea,
this
is
Craig,
because
I
was
just
looking
at
the
issue,
and
you
know
we
talked
about
the
moment
ago.
The
kind
of
policy,
the
principle
that
each
company,
except
for
the
big
cloud
companies
that
has
non
open-source
projects,
only
gets
one
entry
sort
of
their
flagship.
I'm.
Trying
to
understand
that
principle
and
I
kind
of
like
the
idea
that,
if
we're
starting
to
talk
about
there
are
multiple
category
entries,
we
also
have
the
possibility
of
having
multiple
product
entries.
I
For
example,
a
company
I
work
for
J
frog
has
a
technology
called
x-ray,
which
helps
to
the
security
and
license
management
for
docker
images,
and
so
what
seem
to
belong
in
the
security
and
compliance
category.
But
it
isn't
open
source
and
we're
not
AWS,
Google
or
Microsoft.
So
I
like
the
idea
of
being
able
to
have
multiple
entries
in
multiple
categories,
even
if
it
isn't
the
same
product.
A
J
High
is
Jerry
Jennings
I
have
raised
a
similar
issue
on
the
mailing
list.
Is
there
any
reason,
if
we're
just
going
to
show
the
primary
subcategory
on
the
landscape,
not
to
allow
multiple
alternate
subcategories
that
people
can
filter
down,
because
there
are
some
products
that
have
multiple
uses,
and
it
just
seems
reasonable
that
you'd
want
to
be
able
to
search
for
those
alternate
uses
as
well.
J
F
A
A
The
one
other
feature-
I'm,
not
sure
folks
saw
but
the
text
underneath
the
title
where
it
says
the
cloud
native
landscape
in
PDF,
and
if
you
click
ping,
you
can
see
that
we're
just
past
that
pillar,
not
that
one
there.
The
second
thing
keep
it
going
yeah.
You
can
see
that
we're
statically,
rendering
the
ping
and
a
PDF
here
that
takes
a
second
to
load,
but
to
make
this
available
in
a
in
the
default
format,
kind
of
a
neat
part
of
the
app
okay.
Anything
else
folks
would
like
to
cover.
A
I'm
I'm
expecting
us
to
get
a
ton
of
more
feedback
that
I'm
planning
to
publish
this
updated
version
and
then
get
more
feedback
on
the
mailing
list
and
iterate
on
it.
And
we
do
a
couple
other
things
we're
trying
to
fix
ahead
of
time.
But
I
think
we
should
start
looking
into
the
alternative
sub
categories
and
see
if
that,
if
that
works
and
is
kind
of
feasible
to
layout
and
and
include
so.
G
On
say,
envoy,
if
someone's
searching
on
load,
balancer
worst
proxy,
whatever
on
the
SEO
for
I,
guess
the
interactive
landscape,
like
triggering
those
now
we're
talking
about
secondary
categories,
but
primary
categories
with
the
with
the
project.
A
So
our
SEO
is
actually
decent
already
in
that
the
default
we
were
using
Google
site
maps
to
include
just
a
single
single
page
for
every
project
on
here
and
so
I
believe.
It's
the
case
that
the
change
that
we're
talking
about
isn't
actually
going
to
impact
everyone,
the
the
the
SEO
too
much
in
that,
because
the
pages
that
we're
actually
telling
Google
and
the
other
search
engines
we
want
to,
we
want
them
to
look
at.
Is
it's
just
the
default
view
with
just
the
one
project
highlighted.
A
Whether
Google
winds
up
taking
about
your
other
ones
as
well
as
is
I,
guess
kind
of
an
interesting
question.
Interestingly,
already
on
Google
we're
one
of
the
top
sources
for
SPG's
for
almost
all
of
our
projects,
where
the
effort
involved
in
actually
trying
to
get
correct.
Official
SVG's
for
everything
has
been
pretty
enormous,
but
I
feel
like
it's
paying
off.
J
So
this
is
jerry.
Jennings
again,
I
have
two
things
I
wanted
to
note.
One
is
that
Michael
and
I
have
been
working
on
taking
a
closer
look
at
the
projects
that
are
related
to
security
and
trying
to
find
the
sensible
grouping
for
those
in
the
hopes
that
we
might
be
able
to
have
a
sub
map.
The
way
that
we
do
for
service.
That's
focused
on
security
and
we're
we've
been
making
good
progress
on
that
we've
raised
that
we
were
going
to
do
that.
J
I
am
on
the
what
is
been
known
as
the
safe
working
group
that
might
become
the
security
working
group
which
CN
CF,
and
that
group
is
also
very
interested
in
this
work
and
had
planned
separately
to
look
at
the
RAM
scape
as
it
relates
to
security,
and
so
they
have
asked
us
to
present
some
detail
on
on
what
we've
been
working
on
there.
So
that
will
happen
in
the
next
few
weeks
as
well,
which
I
assume
is
also
of
interest
to
this
group.
Yes,.
B
Mrs.
ginger
other
than
adding
new
sandbox
companies
and
things.
What's
your
schedule
for
updates
to
the
landscape?
Do
you
have
a
set
schedule
like
every
quarter
or
how's
that
go.
A
E
A
There's
that
there's
somebody
the
way
it
works.
Is
you
just
open
a
pull
request
when
something's
out
of
date
or
incorrect
or
or
you
want
to
add
a
project
and
I
review
it,
and
if
it
clearly
fits
into
one
of
the
existing
categories
and
you're?
You
know
your
pull
request
builds
then
I'll
go
ahead
and
and
accept
it,
and
with
this
new
interactive
with
the
new
dynamically
generated
static
pages
will
then
instantly
have
new
PDFs
and
pingjun
of
the
landscape
and.
A
Do
so
it's
not
just
for
cube
con,
but
CN
CF
hosts
a
bunch
of
gets
a
booth
in
a
bunch
of
conferences,
so
like
Red
Hat
summit
and
the
cloud
conferences
and
we're
going
to
Hangzhou
for
the
Alibaba
Cloud
conference
next
week,
and
so
we
generally
do
print
out
where
we
have
the
cloud
native
trail
map
on
the
front
side
and
then
this
landscape
on
the
back
and
whenever
we
do
that,
we'll
just
be
printing
out.
Whatever
the
you
know,
latest
version
is
a
week
or
two
before
the
conference
great.
B
A
A
So
I
mean
until
literally
until
this
month,
the
process
was
that
the
Linux
foundations,
graphic
designer
Alex,
would
manually
have
to
relay
everything
out
for
each
version,
and
you
know
when
we
do
category
changes
and
stuff,
it
was
actually
pretty
involved.
So
I
do
want
to
say
again
how
cool
I
think
it
is
to
have
this
thing
be
automatically
generated.
B
I
This
is
Craig
again
just
about
the
notion
of
having
more
than
one
product.
You
know
in
different
categories,
even
if
it's
not
open
source
I'm
trying
to
understand
the
principle
I
understand.
Part
of
the
reasoning
is
probably
around
the
sort
of
consume
ability
and
navigability
busyness
of
the
of
the
landscape.
I
A
Think
my
current
suggestion
to
you
is
to
look
at
this
alternative
categories
thing
as
being
the
best
the
best
solution
for
it,
so
that
you
know
that
was
the
original
policy.
And
then
you
know
we
have
these
cloud
companies
in
particular
come
along
and
say:
hey,
you
know
we're
you
know
a
hundred
times
bigger
than
most
startups,
so
it
just
it's
not
correct
to
just
say
that
we
only
have
we're
only
in
one
space
but
I.
Admittedly
it's
it's
an
imperfect
balance.
Yeah.
I
It
does
seem
imperfect,
I'll,
do
some
thinking
and
see
if
I
can
come
up.
Yeah
I
think
the
alternative
category
is
a
route
to
getting
the
right
information
to
people.
Maybe
there
are
other
things
we
can
do
collectively
to
think
about
that
I'll
see
if
I
can
come
up
with
a
proposal
to
make
to
the
group.