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From YouTube: CNCF Serverless WG Meeting - 2019-01-24
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Okay,
so
today
I
would
I
would
assume
people
are
gonna,
keep
their
points
up
every
now
and
then
I
do
kind
of
run
it
just
to
poke
everybody
just
make
sure
they're
up
and
running,
and
what
we
can
do
is
we
can
just
assume
people
will
keep
them
up
until
I
start
seeing
some
drop
off,
and
then
we
can
revisit
the
issue.
If
that's
okay,
yeah.
D
A
A
G
Sorry
I
was
a
milk
I'm,
not
really,
but
I
think
you
know
it
would
probably
need
to
start
working
on
this
to
clean
up
a
bit
on
the
document
to
make
it
more
consistent.
So
I
think
I'm,
gonna
probably
start
working
on
this
maybe
next
week
and
then
propose
some
PR
for
review.
Okay,.
A
But
we,
let's
talk
offline
about
that,
because
I
think
we
just
need
to
figure
out
how
we
want
to
move
forward
with
this
thing,
so
you
and
I
can
talk
and
then
we'll
bring
back
a
proposal
for
the
group
how's
that
okay
yeah,
alright,
alright,
so
Scott
sent
out
a
rough
draft
document
for
the
next
demo
idea
and
the
link
is
an
agenda
dog
right
here.
B
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A
B
H
A
Yeah
yeah,
so
we
got
coupons,
but
time
does
find
very,
very
quickly,
I'm
sure
everybody
is
aware
that
so
please
review
when
you
get
a
chance
that
people
can
start
coding
things
up,
so
we
don't
feel
too
much
pressure.
The
date
gets
closer,
alright,
moving
forward
a
PR
review,
so
it
subpoena
you
did
make
a
change
to
this
one.
Thank
you
very
much.
The
changes
look
good
to
me,
but
I've
wanted
one
more
tell
GTM
before
I
merged.
In
so
everybody
take
a
quick
look.
I
believe
everybody
was
okay
with
the
general
direction.
A
A
A
D
B
A
A
A
A
A
Okay,
let
me
just
make
a
note
of
this
around
myself,
Oh
remove
all
right
cool
I'll
fix
that
later.
All
right,
thank
you.
Pini
Matthew
Fabio
is
not
on
the
call,
but
this
one
looks
fairly
straightforward
to
me.
I
think
we
can
deal
with
it.
A
So
leave
Raleigh
did
is
add
minimum
length
to
our
string
types
because
I
believe
every
single
case
we
have
a
string,
we
say
has
to
be
a
non
empty
string,
and
so
that's
why
he
has
a
minimum
length
whole
bunch
of
different
places
on
this
particular
field,
which
is
spec
version.
He
sets
it
to
be
a
value
of
zero
point.
Two,
it's
our
current
version
and
it
was
one
of
the
change
he
made.
Where
was
it
here.
B
A
D
A
A
G
A
So
let's
go
ahead
and
take
two
types:
training,
okay,
so
I
believe
what's
happening
here
is
every
single
attribute.
That
is
a
type
string,
whether
it's
required
or
optional
I'm,
pretty
sure
they
all
say
must
be
a
nine
of
you
string,
okay
and
all
he's
doing
is
adding
that
min
length
equal
to
one
to
two
right
to
represent
that.
So,
let's
see
whether
I
think
string,
you
got
spurred
that
to
that
like
non-empty
I,
think
that's
it.
A
So
actually
we
don't
have
any
optional
quote:
string
types
per
se
and
other
than
content
type,
which
is
further
constrained
by
RFC
204
six.
So
it
is
just
for
the
required
fields,
but
it
doesn't
matter
whether
the
fact
is
required
is
not
really
relevant.
All
that
all
this
strings
are
non
empty.
That
help
you
copy
so.
A
A
G
I'm,
just
okay
I'm,
just
thinking
you
know,
if
you
define
this
string
type
yeah,
the
user
can
define
non
zero.
Why
are
you
nonzero
string
right
right.
D
Other
questions
or
comments
on
this
one,
sorry
just
to
come
back
to
the
version
number
actually
yeah
say
is
it
meant
for
everybody
to
use?
Is
snap
shell
by
release
version
or
release
commit
of
this
spec,
because
that
means
like
every
single
event
that
is
validated
with
this?
Spec
must
have
version.
0.2
doesn't
support
any
other
versions.
A
D
A
A
Cool
moving
forward
that
and
swapping
out
Jimmy
watching
out
content
type
for
believe
it's
data
content
type.
You
talked
about
this
one
last
week
and
then
Clemens
convinced
us
all
of
the
brilliance
of
keeping
the
word
content
in
there.
So
it's
not
just
data
type
anymore,
so
I
went
through
and
made
the
change
last
week.
Any
questions
are
concerned.
This
one.
A
Okay
cool.
Thank
you
very
much.
Chris
stop!
Now
this
one
I
think
you
made
some
changes
either
today
or
yesterday.
So
maybe
a
little
too
soon
to
vote
on
it.
However,
I
do
think
it's
important
to
talk
about
the
changes
you
made.
So
people
can
understand
where
you're
headed
with
this
and
have
a
brief
discussion
about
it.
That's
okay,
yeah.
I
So
for
context,
last
week
we
approve
the
OPR.
That
said
the
spec
itself.
The
main
spec
doesn't
specify
how
batching
is
done,
but
HTTP
or
transport
bindings
in
general
can
define
if
and
how
they
wanna
do.
Batching,
and
this
pull
request
your
D
discussed
last
week.
It
tries
to
implement
batching
for
HDPE,
so
last
week
we
discussed
a
little
and
we
decided
that
we
want
to
have
it
similar
to
the
structured
mode
and
that
it
works
with
event
formats.
So
they
change
at
it
compared
to
last
week.
I
I
Yeah,
otherwise
we
can
go
through
the
whole
bar.
If
that
makes
sense,
he
only
maybe
think
I'd
fall
about
metritis
is
that
I
feel
you
can
maybe
scroll
down
a
little
to
be
jason
itself,
I
think
the
basic
format
ed
is
its
floral
alone.
Dj
isn't
for
well
this
kind
of
one
and
then
the
edge
form
the
cui
a
second
sorry
I,
just
scroll
up
a
little
bit
again
in
the
second
paragraph
of
the
intro
saying
all
fold,
it
isn't.
Bad
format
builds
on
top
of
DJ's
format.
It
is
considered
a
separate
format.
I
A
valid
implementation
of
the
J'son
format
doesn't
need
to
support
it,
so
I'm
not
sure
if
it
should
really
go
into
the
same
file
as
to
JSON
format
or
if
it
should
be
its
own
file
to
really
make
that
distinction
more
clear
that
they
should
really
be
considered
separate
floor
mats
apart
from
that
I'm
pretty
happy
with
it.
I
think.
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A
A
Alright
has
chance
anybody
have
any
other
questions.
Comments
like
okay,
all
right
in
that
case,
okay,
first
of
all,
like
Kathy,
can
you
go
mute
I
think
you
might
be
hearing
you're
typing?
Thank
you
just
better
phone
okay!
So
please
everybody
I
review
that.
Hopefully
we
can
approve
it
on
next
week's
call
unless
people
find
something
wrong
with
it,
but
it'd
be
a
good
step
forward.
Thank
you
and
then
Christoph.
You
have
another
one
here.
I
Yep
this
one
we
also
talked
about
last
week.
The
basic
issue
is
that
there
are
limitations
on
all
sorts
of
technologies
that
we
use,
so
we
better
define
what
we
kind
of
settled
on.
We
wanted
to
find
a
minimum
event
size
that
everyone
has
to
support.
So
as
a
sender,
if
I'm
sending
any
went
that
is
smaller
than
the
certain
size
were
going
to
settle
on,
then
everybody
has
to
accept
it.
Otherwise,
they're
not
a
valid
cloud
events
implementation,
so
the
text
itself
is
kind
of
small.
We
also
I
think
it's
a
fairly
small
change.
I
A
What
do
people
think
about
the
size
too,
big
too
small?
Are
there
gonna,
be
some
consumers
out
there
they're,
really
that
can't
handle
something
that
large
I
would
imagine
that
most
constraints
from
four
things
morning
to
be
really
small?
It
might
be
a
more
on
the
producer
side
than
the
consumer
side,
but
I.
A
I
So
the
other
thing
that
Tapani
brought
up
two
weeks
ago
is
that
it
has
an
influence
on
the
HTTP
binary
mode.
So
we
just
say
the
event
can
be
up
to
256
kilobytes.
It's
they
easily
can
consume
more
kilobytes
and
hetero
later
than
what
most
HTTP
servers
accept.
So
it
basically
means
that
a
lot
of
implementations
will
not
or
will
have
troubles.
Implementing
and
worldly.
I
So
I
was
wondering
if
we
want
to
change
so
right
now.
It
says
you
should
support
both
the
HTTP,
binary
and
PHP
structured
mode.
So
one
way
would
be
to
say
you
should
support
a
structured
mode
and
you
may
support
the
binary
mode.
Another
option
will
be
to
figure
out
if
some
hours,
sender
and
receiver
can
agree
what
the
size
should
be.
What
is
a
bit
tricky.
D
Yeah,
what's
going
to
ask
about
this
because
256
kilo
Suns
good
for
the
event,
but
the
metadata
around
the
actual
data
of
the
event.
We
will
have
problems
with
HTTP
implementations
if
it's
I
mean
if
people
just
end
up
putting
most
of
their
things
there
instead
of
inside
data,
because
with
the
binary,
though,
the
headers
can't
be
more
than
eight
kilobytes,
basically
and
more
than
100
attributes.
I
A
G
F
Makes
feelings
of
other
sides
on
one
side,
I
see
defining
the
standard
that
can
be
easily
followed,
but
in
practice
I'm
afraid
that
we
will
hit
some
edge
cases
and
the
question
is:
what
do
we
do
then?
What
do
we
do
if
we
have
such
cases
where
the
size
turns
out
to
be
a
larger
and
it
may
be
valid
in
a
particular
problem
domain?
So
I
don't
have
answer
to
that,
but
maybe
if
you
could
have
some
kind
of
a
pass
or
a
policy,
what
do
we
do
when
the
size
does
not
match.
I
Yes,
I
think.
The
first
thing
is
that
we
settled
on
this
not
being
a
hard
limit,
but
it's
just
like
a
guarantee
on
a
size,
so
you
can
always
go
above
this
limit
and
if
you
sort
of
control
all
parts
of
your
system,
then
you
can
make
sure
that
all
parts
of
your
system
accept
messages
that
are
larger.
So
if
you
know
I'm
putting
my
cloud
events
in
the
Kafka
and
on
our
cupcakes,
that's
one
megabyte
and
you
yourself
sort
of
have
validated
that
everything
will
work.
Then
it
will
be
fine.
I
This
is
the
one
answer,
and
the
second
answer
is
that
we
will
have
a
follow-up
PR.
That
also
gem
day
from
PayPal
asks
for
is
that
we
going
to
build
the
claim
track
pattern
at
least
I'm
going
to
open
a
PR
that
implements
the
acclaim
track
pattern
on
cloud
events,
so
basically
what
it
is
it
is,
you
send
an
event.
You
would
send
all
the
metadata
as
he
would
before,
but
you
would
not
include
the
payload
to
data
object.
I
Instead,
you
would
say:
ok,
my
payload
is
too
big,
but
here's
the
way
for
you
to
get
this
payload
anyway,
so
this
is
also
commonly
used
in
other
systems.
I
think
this
is
a
good
pattern
to
implement,
and
then
hopefully
we
have
SDKs
and
so
on
the
and
kind
of
automate
this
process.
So
it
gets
a
bit
hidden
from
the
consumer
good.
A
Okay,
just
because
I
think
you
have
way
too
much
time
on
the
callosity
repeating
of
the
family
agenda.
Let
me
just
pick
on
one
person
in
particular
Austin,
since
we
haven't
talked
to
you
in
said
a
long
time.
I
think
the
con
you
for
a
sec
I
mean
your
experience
since
I
think
you've
interacted
with
lots
of
different
clouds.
Being
you
know
getting
your
product,
do
you
see
any
it
concerns
with
this
size
limitation
as
a
minimum?
Oh.
D
J
Can't
remember
yeah
I'm,
not
sure
at
the
top
ahead
duck:
oh
I'll
kill
it
can
do
it.
Okay,.
A
I
There,
so
this
is
the
list
that
I
compiled
from
things
that
I
interacted
with
mostly
so
it's
maybe
not
the
most
complete
list
ever
but
lambda.
As
recently
as
I
wrote,
there
recently
increased
the
limits
to
256
kilobytes,
so
with
the
exception
of
I,
every
went
great
run
this
ad
world
above
256
kilobytes.
So
what.
A
I
B
D
A
G
You
know
I
think
this
PR
is
about
that.
You
know
any
consumer
should
accept
the
messages
up
to
that
size.
If
it's
larger
than
that
size,
then
you
know
the
consumer
of
the
event
can
reject
that
message
to
have
a
size
for
that,
because
you
know
if
it's.
If
we
do
not
set
the
meat,
it
could
be
huge
and
just
transport
the
message
who
takes
a
long
time,
the
latency
is
another
consideration
in
the
service
application.
G
C
C
So
that's
kind
of
direction
on
behind
this.
That's
why
we
make
this
so
small
and
obviously
there
are
there
the
architectural
consequences
from
from
having
a
constraint
like
this,
but
I
think
so
128
K,
which
was
the
proposed
last
week
and
I,
think
that
would
make
things
really
bad
too
much
gay.
That's
that's
something
else.
C
C
C
My
deaf
manager
this
week
as
they
know
how
far
can
we
reasonably
push
this
because
that
actually
has
is
a
big
I
mean.
Ultimately,
it's
not
going
to
be
like
this,
that
everybody
is
starting
to
send
maxed-out
messages,
but
then
we
would
have
to
go
and
support
the
occasional
one
and
then
the
question
is
you
know
how
bad
can
that
possibly
be
yeah
and
it's
simply
a
discussion.
I
should
have
before
I
say
anything
or
agree.
It's
something!
C
In
so
retries
it
does
if
it
can't
find
them-
and
you
can't
deliver
the
message-
then
it
it
has
an
automatic
back
offs
like
it
just
keeps
hitting
whatever
the
target
is
until
it
gets
a
200
class
response
code.
Dead
lettering
is
something
that
we
just
added
so
there's
a
effectively
an
Associated
storage
account
and
we
messages
that
we
can't
deliver.
We
basically
drop
into
that
surgical,
yeah,
okay
and
then
you
can
obviously
have
another
grid.
Looking
at
that
storage
account
and.
J
J
B
B
J
A
C
If
you
give
us
a
fight,
if
you
give
us
it
an
error,
I
think
we
will
keep
trying
this
for
what
for
a
while
and
if
you
I
think,
if
you
give
us
a
500,
will
will
fail
earlier
and
then
go
that
letter.
But
then
letter
is
effectively
just
writing,
that
it's
a
storage
account
and
that's
of
no
virtually
unlimited
size
at
least
work
for
those
sorts
of
messengers.
There's
no
further
constrain,
whereas
stuff
gets
stuck
just
because
it
gets
late.
C
C
B
J
C
Yeah
we
do
the
reprise
through
effectively
run
event
if
it
runs
on
a
service
that
word
brain
and
everything.
That's
we
have
them.
We
have
our
own
queuing
mechanisms
inside
of
event
grid,
including
the
shell
save,
and
so
all
these
cubes
are
replicated
in
the
cluster.
So
there's
a
full
internal
mechanism
this
and
find
this
and
that's
backing
up.
The
retry
mechanism,
like
you,
can
literally
shoot
down
half
of
the
cluster,
well
we're
doing
deliveries
and
retries,
and
we
keep
the
counts
right.
C
D
Little
bit
I
just
want
to
point
out
like
Christophe.
If
you
do
go
for
the
claim
check
pattern,
you
were
talking
about
metadata,
still
being
included
in
the
event.
Then
you
will
end
up
anyway
separating
the
metadata
and
the
actual
data
of
the
event
into
different
sizes,
for
the
claim,
check
pattern
and
then
I,
don't
see
a
reason
why
they
would
have
been
limited
separately
anyway.
D
D
I
I
think,
if
that
gives
you
an
option,
if
you
have
let's
say
your
payload
is
I,
don't
know
200
kilobytes
and
your
metadata
is
hundred
kilobytes,
which
it
really
shouldn't
be
what
any
kind
of
gives
you
the
option
of
still
sending
in
hundred
kilobytes
of
metadata
and
then
send
in
the
payload
not
sending
the
payload,
but
having
the
claim
tracked
pattern
for
it.
So,
in
the
end
board
you
could
end
up
with
is
really
256.
Kilobytes
price
of
metadata
is
sort
of
the
worst
case
that
this
ends
up
being
then
yeah.
That's
true.
I
A
A
Okay,
so
I
don't
even
want
to
discuss
these
here
today.
Let
people
go
off
and
read
these
on
their
own,
but
please
be
thinking
about
the
security
related
concerns
that
dimension
in
the
past
and
please
bring
them
up
either
as
new
issues
or,
if
you
feel
strongly
about
one
of
these
issues
right
here
go
ahead
and
pull
requests
to
try
to
address
it,
and
I
should
point
out
that
in
the
past
we
tagged
the
second
one
as
not
required
for
version
one
and
I'm.
A
Okay
with
that,
but
I
think
you
guys
should
look
it
over
to
make
sure
everybody's
still,
okay,
with
it
not
being
resolved
in
the
version
one
time
frame
anyway.
Please
get
a
chance
to
look
at
these
and
think
about
security
in
general,
because
that
is
a
requirement
for
version.
0.3
yeah.
It's
go
ahead:
Tim
hi.
K
Yeah
I'm
asking
if
it's
in
scope,
but
in
terms
of
like
whether
in
the
cases
where
a
publisher
might
want
to
have
the
data
encrypted,
do
we
want
to
have
some
discussions
around
that
it
will
recommend
patience?
You
know
where
you
know
the
event.
Data
may
traverse
through
a
pipeline
and
middleware
might
not
want.
You
know
they
might
not
want
the
middleware
to
be
able
to
inspect
the
data
yeah.
C
If
you
look
at
so
j-jason
WEP
encryption,
if
you
look
at
the
entire
specs
at
Josie
or
Josie,
jwe,
etc,
there
are
in
ITF
I,
don't
I!
Frankly,
don't
see
a
lot
of
uptake
on
this
and
the
precursor
was
EE
security
for
soap
and
it's
it's
a
very
complicated
set
of
things
to
do
in
to
end
encryption
and
they
add
a
ton
of
weight
because
doing
that
sort
of
into
end
security
requires
a
ton
of
negotiation
of
parameters
of
algorithms.
C
You
need
to
do
a
bunch
of
handshaking
to
make
it
even
work,
we're
having
here
a
one-way
Mecca.
So
we
can't
even
negotiate
seshu
tokens
so
it
gets.
It
gets
really
hard
and
it
becomes
kind
of
a
multi-year
exercise
in
how
we
even
going
to
go
and
do
this
and
that's
why
I'm
kind
of
in
favor
of
let
us
make
let
us
get
to
1.0
without
into
end
encryption
and
if
then,
there's
some
folks
who
really
can't
live
without
into
any
crochet.
C
Then
let's
go
take
a
look
at
it
sure
Thanks,
it's
just
it's
just
it's
just
so
really
so
hard
and
to
end
that
I'm,
just
afraid
of
it.
Just
because
it's
gonna
it's
gonna,
it's
gonna
dominate
this
call
it's
going
to
dominate
the
work
for
you
know!
Probably
a
year,
it's
gonna
delay
1.0
indefinitely
and
that's
why
I
don't
want.
A
A
A
K
J
There's
one
other
SP
to
this,
and
that's
we
have
this
great
extensions
concept
right
where
people
can
start
experimenting
with
different
encryption
methodologies
and
security
methods
and
stuff
via
extensions,
and
you
know
one
of
the
big
goals
in
my
mind
for
extensions
and
any
type
of
plug-in
architecture
is
when
you're
bringing
a
product
to
market.
You
always
want
it.
J
You
know
kind
of
focus
on
the
MVP,
keep
it
pretty
lean
and
you
just
want
to
get
it
in
the
hands
of
users
right
away
so
that
they
can
start
using
it
and
they'll
actually
teach
you
about
your
product
and
the
one
great
thing
that
extensions
and
any
plug-in
architecture
provides.
Is
that
as
long
as
there's
an
easy
way
to
extend
the
thing
and
add
functionality
to
it,
users
will
start
doing
that
and
they'll
start
creating
extensions,
creating
plugins
and
then
you'll
start
seeing
demand
increase
for
the
plugins.
J
That
you
know
are
really
solving
important
problems
and
what
this
shows
is,
basically,
it
just
guides
you
as
to
what
should
be
in
the
core.
Eventually,
so
I
recommend
we,
you
know
we
we
keep
thinking
about
that.
C
Imagine
I
can
imagine
an
extension
that
says
that
defines
if
you
feels
it
says:
here's
the
initialization
vector
here's.
You
know
a
pointer
to
a
key
or
reference
to
some
sort,
crypto
algorithm,
a
generic
algorithm
and
then
the
data
of
the
event
becomes
and
the
comments
at
this
point
but
points
to
it.
It
says
encrypted
data,
blah
blah
and
that's
how
you
then
express
an
encrypted
one-way
encrypted
event
in
a
particular
way
of
how
that
one
extension
can
go
and
handle
it
right.
A
I
E
I
Just
a
payload
okay
understand
it
like
there
is
technically
nothing
that
stops
you
from
encrypting
it
right,
so
the
consumer,
the
right
type
and
kind
of
has
to
understand
what
will
what
will
I
get
anyway,
so
I
think
yeah
I
think
it's
sort
of
implicitly.
If
you
are
comfortable
both
the
producer
and
consumer,
you
can
do
that
right.
K
A
H
Yeah
also
as
someone
who
surround
this,
we
also
got
into
encrypted
payloads
when
we
were
discussing
extensions
and
whether
we
wanted
a
bag
or
not,
and
that
went
down
a
rabbit
hole
with
whether
we
wanted
extensions
to
also
be
encrypted.
And
if
we
wanted
to
guarantee
the
event
was
on
to
tamper
with
any
weren't,
really
shoot
down
a
rabbit
hole
as
far
as
I
remember
and
that's
when
we
decided
I
had
no
matter
I.
Consider
it
really
seriously
41.0,
but
I
might
be
remembering
this
wrong.
It.
A
A
We've
already
started
to
look
at
some
of
these
other
things
down
here,
but
to
be
honest,
when
I
look
at
these
I
think
these
are
smaller
in
scale
or
complexity
relative
to
possible
security,
related
ones,
so
I'd
like
to
get
security
ones
going
first
on
our
plate,
so
be
thinking
about
that
open
up
issues
for
new
things.
You
could
think
of
I'll
get
those
discussions
going.
Okay!
A
Act
honestly,
I
personally
not
thought
about
that
I
mean
if
we
can
make
it
for
Kukla,
I,
think
that'd
be
great.
I
think
it
all
depends
on
whether
we
get
through
like
the
security
related
issues
like
I,
said:
I,
think
the
other
ones
are
relatively
small,
so
we
can
even
keep
with
security
behind
us.
I
think
I
think
0.3
would
usually
be
not
too
far
after
that,
but
that's
just
my
opinion.
I
want
to
move
as
quickly
as
possible,
though
okay,
anything
else.
A
Okay,
we
don't
have
a
whole
lot
of
time.
So
I
just
wanted
to
draw
people's
attention
to
these
three
issues
here.
These
are
just
ones
that
I
personally
thought
were
interesting.
Obviously,
people
are
free
to
add
items
to
the
agenda
as
they
see
fit,
but
I
thought
these
are
interesting
because
they
potentially
either
add
new
attributes
or
could
change
or
have
normative
changes
to
the
spec
in
in
non-trivial
ways.
A
So
please,
when
you
get
a
chance,
I
think
at
least
the
first
two,
probably
the
more
interesting
ones,
this
one,
the
last
one
about
deprecated
events,
I
think
that
might
actually
just
be
an
extension
but
I'd
like
to
get
people's
opinion
on
that
to
see
whether
it's
something
that
they're,
okay,
with
leaving
as
an
extension
for
later
or
where
they
actually
think
of
shooting
in
1.0,
but
nothing
else,
I
think
Clemons
AV.
If
you
could
take
a
look
at
the
first
one
in
particular,
I
thought
that
one
might
pique
your
interest.