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A
Hello,
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
wrong
show.
This
is
a
spotlight
live
everyone.
This
is
a
show
that
we're
doing
on
a
bi-weekly
perspective
that
we're
talking
about
the
topics
and
trends
of
the
cncf.
A
Before
we
get
started,
I
want
to
tell
you
a
disclaimer.
This
is
the
official
live
stream
of
the
cncf
and,
as
such
is
subject
to
the
code
of
contact.
Please
do
not
add
anything
to
the
chat
or
questions
that
will
be
in
violation
of
that
code
of
conduct.
Basically,
as
we
all
know,
please
be
respectful
of
all.
A
So
I
kind
of
want
to
tell
you
about
what
this
show
is
about
again,
it's
basically
again
the
topics
that
are
happening
from
a
cncf
perspective,
and
you
know
the
groups,
the
the
things
that
are
going
on,
and
so
I
couldn't
have
asked
for
a
better
start
for
the
show
for
episode
one
and
that's
in
talking
about
kubecon,
past
present
and
future.
Now
this
week
for
cloud
native
tv,
when
we
were
putting
together
group,
we
wanted
to
do
things
that
are
like
technical,
but
also
entertaining,
and
I'm
so
proud
of
this
week.
A
We've
done
so
many
great
things.
It's
been
awesome
from
the
from
the
support
perspective
and
all
that,
but,
like
you
know,
you
have
to
walk
in
the
shadow
of
amazing
giants
like
the
folks
that
are
working
on.
You
know
cube
kind
of
co-chairs.
They
do
such
amazing
stuff,
so
I'm
so
excited
for
this
week.
Without
further
ado,
I
want
to
kind
of
introduce
one
by
one
and
have
everybody
talk,
but
I
want
to
make
this
interactive
you
all.
So,
please,
you
know
follow.
You
know,
go
ahead
and
follow
cloudnative.tv.
A
B
Yeah,
absolutely
I'm
definitely
excited
to
be
a
part
of
the
show
today,
jasmine
james,
I
am
an
engineering
manager
that
works
at
twitter.
I
lead
the
developer
experience
organization
there,
which
is
essentially
responsible
for
making
sure
our
developers
have
an
amazing
experience
with
the
tooling
in
just
their
day-to-day
jobs.
B
So
my
experience
with
call
native
spans
from
my
time
at
delta,
implementing
kubernetes
and
re-architecting
monolithic
applications
to
leverage
that,
so
I'm
really
excited
to
be
a
part
of
kubecon
and
as
a
co-chair,
working
with
such
great
people.
A
C
Yeah,
I
am
good.
I
got
my
tinfoil
headband
ready
for
everyone,
so
yeah
hi
everyone.
I
am
constance.
I've
been
a
co-chair
since
kubecon
u2020,
which
feels
like
four
years
ago,
I'm
a
principal
software
engineer
at
splunk
and
I
am
involved
in
quite
a
few
things.
I
work
on
a
product
called
real
user
monitoring
on
the
back
end,
but
I'm
also
on
the
open,
telemetry
governance
committee
and
I've
been
involved
in
open
source.
I
guess
for
several
years
now
previously
to
open
telemetry.
A
Fantastic,
so
so
good
to
have
you
and
again,
I'm
I'm
dressed
today.
The
part
I'm
playing
this
week
is
I'm
constance's
greek
uncle.
So
that's
who
I
am
today,
so
that's
the
part
I'll
be
playing
all
righty
next
up.
We
have,
I
don't
know
if
you
all,
I
don't
know
this
person
like
I'm
so
excited
to
actually
meet
this
person
for
the
first
time.
So
this
is
steve.
I
got
this.
D
Hello,
hello,
how's
it
going
nice
to
meet
you
all
for
the
first
time.
My
name
is
stephen
augustus.
I
am
an
engineering
director
and
head
of
open
source
at
cisco.
I've
been
a
cubecon
chair
for
again
time
is
time
is
so
many
time
right
now
I've
been
doing
it
for
a
little
bit
alongside
constance
and
really
excited
to
to
have
jasmine
join
the
crew.
Now
my
day,
job
is
well
my
day.
Job
is
a
lot
of
cloud
native
technology.
A
Fantastic,
so
now
we
have
you
all
and
again
what
I
wanted.
This
show
to
be
for
the
past
present
future.
Let's
talk
about
the
history
of
kubecon
like
as
use
like
the
you
know.
First
time
you
all
went
through
kubecon
and,
like
you
know,
and
just
kind
of
have
that
chat
about
about
it,
because
I
think
uconn
is
a
special
place.
We
all
know
we
like
you
all
our
co-chairs,
because
you
feel
so
strongly
about
cloud
native
and
all
of
that,
so
I
kind
of
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
that.
B
I'll
go,
I
guess,
because
I
have
an
interesting
story
to
tell
about
my
first
kubecon
but
yeah.
I
was
recruited
by
priyanka
who
works
for
linux
foundation
now
to
talk
on
a
panel
just
about
tooling
selection
when
embarking
upon
a
huge
migration
journey.
So
I
talked
on
that
panel.
B
It
was
awesome,
it
was
in
seattle,
so
it
was
really
really
great
to
like
meet
the
community
like
for
the
first
time,
and
that
was
my
first
sort
of
exposure
to
like
all
of
the
great
people,
and
I
learned
so
much
and
like
after
that
panel,
it's
crazy
that
I
met
constance
like
right
after
I
went
off
stage
and
she
handed
me
a
card
and
I
was
like
hey
if
you
ever
want
to
come
work
out
lyft
here
you
go
hit
me
up
and
like
so
I
joined
the
coach
here.
C
B
Constance,
do
you
remember
me
and
she
was
like
oh
yeah,
so
that
was
just
a
great
connection
into
making
this
the
community
is
like
just
so
small.
It's
such
a
small
world,
but
it's
large
at
the
same
time.
So
it's
just
really
great
to
kind
of
connect
and
then
like
spin,
the
block
and
meet
people
again
great
people
again
so
yeah.
A
C
Yeah,
okay,
so
it's
gonna
because
this
was
kukan
2018,
so
it's
gonna
be
fuzzy
on
the
details,
but
it
was
yeah.
I
had
all
about
like
being
cloud
native
and
kubernetes,
and
I
just
like
jasmine
and
jasmine's
answers
were
really
really
good.
Balance
between
it
was
like
adopting
the
infra,
but
also
being
really
human
related,
and
that's
usually,
my
like
big
issue-
is
that
when
we're
trying
to
adopt
technologies
or
forget
about
like
the
human
adoption,
it's
like
you
know
now,
I'm
a
vendor,
and
this
is
kind
of
funny.
C
B
A
C
A
And
that
and
that's
the
thing
one
thing
I
love
is
the
diversity
aspect
of
the
community
as
well.
It's
just
fantastic
again,
it's
just
we're
inclusive
and
we're
just
we're
doing
the
right
things
that
we
need
to
do
to
to
just
uplift
people-
and
I
I
just
love
it
in
general,
so
it's
fantastic
yeah,
so
so
so
constance.
I
mean
it's
kind
of
the
same
question
right.
It's
like
tell
us
about,
like
you
know
your
kind
of
first
cube
con
and
and
that
kind
of
thing.
C
So
the
first
coupon
I
went
to
with
the
year
before
was
austin
2017
the
year
it
snowed.
C
I
definitely
just
remember
looking
around
like
going
that
was
almost
much
smaller
than
what
it
is
now
and
just
being
in
a
room.
Just
seemed
like
there's
so
many
women
around
and
people
of
color,
and
just
like
there's
actual
diversity
attacking
a
little
like
joking
around
with
that,
especially
because
a
lot
of
my
teens
that
I've
been
on
the
past
were
like.
I
was
once
on
a
team
of
one
one
of
two
women
on
a
team
of
60.,
so
at
least
to
see
more
of
that
representation
was
really
great.
C
It
was
overwhelming
and
just
really
fun,
and
I
just
ended
up
having
it's
also
the
first
coupon
that
envoy
was
at
and
like
with
really
big
presents,
and
so
it's
just
really
fun
to
like
talk
to
people
about
envoy,
like
we
debug
in
the
hallway,
like
pulling
up
code
and
after
like
doing
mini
whiteboard
sessions,
and
I've
actually
made
some
friends
from
that
coupon
that
I
still
talk
to
whenever
we're
in
the
same
city
and
it's
really
fun
yeah.
I.
A
C
A
yeah,
the
tldr,
it's
a
networking
proxy,
but
it's
all
focused
on
making
network
transparent
to
the
end
users
and
users
being
like
application
developers
infrastructure
why
this
was
so
critical
at
the
time
is
that
like
microservices,
is
becoming
a
hype
word,
but
there's
a
lot
of
limitations
around
say
if
you're
using
a
load,
balancer,
that's
provided
by
a
cloud
provider,
there's
really
poor
visibility
into
it.
C
You
wouldn't,
like
you,
wouldn't
be
able
to
break
it
down
by
like
hey
how
many
hp
errors
you're
getting
by
500
once
you
just
say,
sometimes
there's
an
error
and
it
won't
always
catch
at
an
envoy.
There
are
other.
There
are
other
other
proxies
around
they're,
really
good
too,
but
envoy
was
so
focused
on
observability.
In
terms
of
like
we
would
joke
that,
there's
a
metric
for
that.
So
like,
if
there's
a
weird
edge
case,
you
would
have
a
metric
for
that.
A
And
again,
for
folks
who
aren't
like
privy
to
the
you
know,
there's
600
projects
in
the
cncf
again,
it's
a
wonderful
project
envoy.
If
you
all
want
to
check
it
out,
obviously
go
to
you
know:
there's
a
the
cncf
landscape.
If
you,
google,
you
can
see,
and
you
can
see
those
service
messages
and
those
type
of
things
all
right.
I'm
going
to
ask
the
next
question
or
the
ask
the
same
question
to
you.
Stephen
right
like
tell
me
about,
like
you
know
your
first
kubecon
no.
D
A
D
My
first
kubecon
was
actually
same
as
jasmine's,
so
seattle
2018,
I
believe,
2018
right,
and
that
was
an
interesting
one.
So
first
kubecon
I
had
at
this
point
I
had
met
a
bunch
of
folks
in
the
community.
I'd
been
doing
it
for
a
little
bit
and
I
walked
in
kind
of
the
way
that
we
do
the
maintainer
track
sessions.
We
have
you
know,
but
prior
we
have
like
intros
and
deep
dives.
D
So
at
that
point
I
was
a
co-chair
for
sig
release
and
kubernetes,
as
well
as
sig
pm
and
sig
azure,
and
I
was
doing
all
of
the
the
intros
and
I
was
co-presenting
on
the
intros
and
deep
dives
as
well
as
presenting
in
like
one
of
the
tracks
itself.
So
so
my
first
kubecon
I
was
doing
like
seven
or
eight
talks
and
yeah.
So
it
was,
it
was
pretty.
It
was
pretty
exciting.
D
D
This
was
the
kubecon
where,
like
kubecon
came
out,
and
so
we
had
like
the
we
had
the
mailing
list
that
we
created.
We
created
like
a
kubecon
mailing
list
and
all
the
folks
that
were
like
in
on
that
joke.
At
the
time
we
were
like
sending
like
hey
we're
going
to
go,
get
lunch
over
here.
We're
going
to
go.
D
Do
this,
so
it
was
like
lots
of
action,
lots
of
moving
around
lots
of
definitely
excited
about
it,
but
it
was
definitely
like
stressful
because
the
like
the
amount
of
time
that
you
had
to
spend
in
certain
places
was
like.
I
gotta
go
run
to
talk.
I
want
to
continue
this
conversation,
but
so
I
do
less
of
that
now.
Thankfully,.
A
So
you
know
the
one
thing
I'm
going
to
say
and
by
the
way
I
turned
off
this
distracting
background.
So
you
all
everybody
complaining
at
home.
It's
done.
Okay,
just
keep
put
look,
in
my
opinion,
all
right
so
anyway.
So
let
me
I'm
going
to
tell
you
all
about
this.
So
let's
talk
about
this
in
general,
like
what
is
in
it
for
somebody
coming
to
a
kubecon
for
the
first
time.
Let's
let
I'm
going
to
go
off
script.
I
gave
you
all
some
questions,
but
you
know
what
I'm
a
provocateur.
That's
what
I
do.
D
C
D
B
B
Let
me
go
talk
to
some
people
that
know
what
they're
doing
and
are
in
the
community
and
try
to
at
least
get
some
like
advice
or
a
direction.
So
that's
why
I
joined.
I
do
think
that
one
of
the
biggest
like
gains
from
coming
to
a
cube
con
event
is
the
community
and
the
people
you
meet,
because
I've
been
able
to
leverage
those
relationships
when
I'm
having
like
just
a
challenging
conversation
or
I'm
talking
leadership
about
the.
Why
there's
people
that
have
done
this
before
that?
B
You
can
leverage
in
the
community
and
talk
to
you
about
it,
and
it
really
is
a
great
thing
to
lean
on,
or
even
just
been
about,
like
the
challenges
that
you're
going
through
and
a
lot
of
times.
I
you
know
when
you're
coming
up
with
solutions,
if
you
talk
to
somebody
and
like
throw
it
against
the
wall
and
have
to
have
a
sounding
board
you're
able
to
get
the
solution,
so
I
think
that
that's
a
great
benefit
of
coming
to
kubecon.
C
Yeah
so
definitely
like
the
collaboration
part
right.
It's
getting
to
meet
other
people
who
are
like,
because
I
think
we
forget,
especially,
I
guess
this
is
what's
really
cool
about,
like
things
being
more
open
source
now,
is
that
we
forget
that
a
lot
of
people
are
solving
the
same
problems,
and
this
is
a
great
venue
to
go
like
what
does
it
brain
share
like
solve
these
things?
Issues
right
like.
C
I
actually
think
we
should
have
white
boards
everywhere
at
kubecon,
maybe
we'll
see
if
we
can
get
that
for
the
hopefully,
if
la's
in
person
and
things
keep
on
being
good
but
yeah.
It's
definitely
like
the
community,
the
collaboration.
C
I
have
been
more
involved
in
projects,
so
I
actually
get
to
see
people
in
person
right
like
just
like
I've
been
messaging,
you
talking
to
you
on
github
and
like
a
few
like
virtual
meetings
and
to
actually
get
to
know
that
person
like
you
know
like
share
coffee
and
or
drink
or
food,
and
get
to
know
them
at
a
more
personal
level
and
build
that
community,
and
it's
also
a
little
bit
of
like
celebration
right.
C
I
think
for
like
either
as
a
speaker
or
a
contributor,
you
get
to
see
how
impactful
your
work
was
is
like
for
me.
So
in
2018
I
was
a
part
of
the
keynote
for
envoy
when
we
graduated
and
just
like
realizing
like
holy
crap
like
I'm,
a
part
of
something
that
is
so
big
and
I
never
like
one.
I
never
realized
it
was
possible
and
two
just
seeing
how
much
like
people
appreciate
how
much
people
want
to
engage
with
it.
C
D
How
about
you
stephen?
So
I
guess
my
first
like
cloud
native
event,
ish
thing
was
actually
like
tectonic
summit,
maybe
back
in
2016
or
something
2016
2017.
D
Eric
parker
shout
out
what
up
so
that
one
I
think
redbeard
was
emceeing
and
at
the
time
I
was
a
customer
of
coreos.
So
the
the
event
that
I
went
to
after
that
was
coreos
fest,
and
at
that
point
I
was
a
coreos
employee.
So
it's
so
really
at
that
point
it
had
become
about
friends
right,
like
there
are
people
or
friends
and
co-workers
that
you
you've
been
you've,
been
kind
of
like
in
the
the
community
minds
or
something
kind
of
you
know,
but
you
know
outside
of
that.
D
I
you
know
to
to
what
jasmine
and
to
what
constance
were
saying
like
it
really
is
about
the
community.
It
really
is
about
like
being
able
to
connect
with
these
people
on
a
deeper
level.
Like
you,
you
know
whether
you're
working
in
in
one
of
the
cloud
native
landscape
projects
or
you
are
a
consumer
of
one
of
these
projects
being
able
to
like
meet
up
with
someone
and
go
like.
D
I
was
stuck
on
this
thing
and,
like
you
helped
like,
are
you
the
one
who
approved
my
pr
or
something
or
like
you
sponsored
me
for,
for
you
know
kubernetes
member
org
membership?
Something
like
that.
I
never
as
a.
I
know
it's
like
sacrilege,
but
I
never.
I
don't
attend
a
lot
of
the
keynotes
I
I
and
when
I
was
rather
when
I
was.
D
But
I
you
know
so
as
a
as
an
attendee,
I
I
wasn't
really
attending
the
the
the
keynotes
as
much
as
spending
more
time
like
going
to
a
co-workers,
talk
or
friends
talk
or
like
hallway
track
hallway
track
all
day.
D
You
know
sig
late
night,
sig
karaoke
all
of
that
stuff,
because
it
really
is
it's
one
of
those
times
like
once
a
quarter.
You
know,
maybe
even
once
a
year,
if
you're
not
traveling,
to
all
of
the
cube
cons
that
you
get
to
actually
connect
on
a
really
deep
level
with
the
folks
that
you
work
with
every
day.
So
definitely
from
the
maintainer
side.
It's
that
I
think
from
the
the
end
user
side
or
the
I'm
just
getting
started
side.
D
We
built
an
entire
track
for
this
because
we
thought
it
was
that
important
right
coming
in
for
the
first
time
like
this
is
daunting.
There
are,
you
know
there
are
memes
about
the
cncf
landscape
and,
like
the
puzzles
and
all
the
the
stuff
it
is,
it
is
crazy
daunting.
D
So
if
we
can
provide
an
experience
on
a
single
track
where
you
can
just
come
in
and
get
you
know,
get
a
the
a
la
carte
menu
of
like
these
really
great
things
to
take
home
with
with
you,
that's
that's
huge,
so
I
think
being
able
to
like
come
and
and
learn
from
people
who
are
creating
the
thing
every
day.
Like
that,
that's
an
experience
you
can't
beat.
A
No
doubt
I'm
gonna
talk
to
you
all
about
just
something
you
know,
I'm
thinking
it's
been
a
pretty,
I
feel
so
like
in
my
heart.
I
feel
so
sorry
for
you
all
for
one
respect.
This
has
been
a
really
difficult
for
a
live
event
that,
like
you
know,
people
go
to.
It's
been
hard
to
be
a
co-chair
and,
like
I'm
friends
with
you
all
like
that's
the
reality
of
it,
I
you
know.
A
I
want
to
make
sure
that,
like
you
all
get
that
moment
where
you
can
keynote
and
be
in
stage
and
see
in
front
of
people,
because
that
to
me
is
is,
is
you
know
you
all
deserve
that
right?
I
just
want
to
say
that
I'm
enough,
I'm
off
the
script
again.
Somebody
rip
up
some
paper,
but
so,
like
you
know
to
me,
it
was
like
that
is
a
challenge
in
this
in
this
pandemic.
Not
being
able
to
do
that
like
let's,
let's
talk
about
some
of
those
challenges.
A
C
One
side
note
wait
stephen
one
thing:
if
people
have
ideas
for
like
because
actually
as
you're
talking
steve,
I
was
realizing
like
we're.
Gonna
start
thinking
about
the
in-person
aspect.
If
it
happens,
so
people
have
ideas
of
like
fun
ways
to
interact
with
each
other
in
like
in
person.
Please
put
them
in
the
comments
because
we
might
be
able
to
leverage
that
I
was
just
thinking
about
that.
I
was
taking
notes
for
go
for
it.
D
Soon
sorry
yeah,
I'm
just
noting
that
jason,
what's
up
what's
up
jason,
also
has
some
great.
D
So
so
yeah,
so
for
me,
I
think
that
we
are.
D
There's
a
there's,
an
aspect
of
resiliency
right,
figuring
out
how
to
be
resistant
to
a
lot
of
the
things
that
are
happening
today,
and
I
think
part
of
that
is
part
of
that
is
realizing
that
you're,
not
alone,
realizing
that
you
have
the
ability
to
kind
of
let
leverage
this
community
like
they're,
not
everyone
is
pretty
friendly,
I
would
say,
and
and
happy
to
you
know
and
happy
to
help
you
out
how
they
can
so.
So
I
think
you
know
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
like
the.
D
I
think,
one
of
the
hardest
things
that
we
had
to
do
was
start
the
shift
in
in
amsterdam
right
as
amsterdam
was
going
from
physical
to
virtual
and,
and
it
was
kind
of
like
at
that
point
it
was
unknown
like
what
what
exactly
we
were
going
to
do,
and
we
were
like
waiting
for
the
day
by
day
feedback
from
the
netherlands
to
to
to
maybe
shift
gears.
We
threw
a
lot
of
ideas
at
the
wall
right,
I
mean
even
even
what
we're
doing
right
now
right.
This
is.
D
D
You
know,
a
cncf
twitch
channel
is
a
new
as
a
new
opportunity
for
us
right
and
and
being
able
to
bring
perspectives
from
whether
it
be
a
maintainer
or
whether
it
be
you
know,
end
users
into
the
picture
like
that's
what
we're
here
for
so
I
think
the
going
virtual
has
been
has
been
a
a
win
for
the
community
overall.
Does
that
mean
that?
Does
that
mean?
We
should
never
go
physical
again?
Absolutely
not!
I
miss
your
faces.
D
I
want
to
go
grab
dinner
with
you
and
do
karaoke,
and
just
you
know
all
that
good
stuff,
but
but
what
it
allows
us
to
do
over
the
you
know
over
the
course
of
the
year.
D
If
you
look
at,
if
you
look
at
the
changes
to
like
the
you
know,
having
having
the
kubernetes
community
days
right
and
and
kind
of
extending
beyond
the
need
to
to
only
be
at
one
of
the
three
events
for
the
year
or
one
of
the
two
events
for
the
year
prior
right,
so
it
I
think
it's
it's
enabled.
I
was
going
to
say
force,
but
it's
enabled
us
to
be
more
imaginative
and
in
the
way
that
we
build
a
program
for
the
for
the
the
the
foundation.
So
I
I.
A
Think,
as
being
like
kind
of
a
an
attendee
and
all
those
things,
and
also
being
a
speaker
like
one
of
the
things
I
thought
was
like,
there's
new,
like
you
said,
there's
new
opportunities
and
new
things
that
popped
out
of
it.
Again
I
pride
myself
on
on
the
hallway
track,
I
loved
being
part
of
that
that
was
fantastic
and
that
you,
wouldn't
I
mean
we
have
a
physical
hallway
track,
but
having
a
virtual
one.
A
Just
was
it
just
added
to
that
piece
and
we
we
had
to
adapt
to
that
and
that's
the
whole
thing
I
think
we
adapted
to
it,
which
was
fantastic
again
going
around
the
horn,
has
any
any
thoughts
on
on
on
that
piece.
So.
B
I
I
came
at
the
end
like
so
stephen
and
constance
they
had
to
like
adjust
like
very,
very
like
violently.
You
know,
with
an
onset
of
the
pandemic,
so
I'm
kind
of
coming
like
after,
like
everything's
a
little
bit
normal,
you
know,
hybrid,
is
kind
of
like
we
have
an
understanding
that
this
is
the
way
it's
going
to
be
so
I
honestly
feel
like,
although
that
was
a
challenge
it's
it's
like.
I
feel
good
about
lowering
the
barrier
of
entry
for
folks
to
attend
and
access
this
information.
B
You
talked
about
hallway
track
like
that's
something.
If
I
wasn't
attending
kubecon
in
person,
I
would
not
be
able
to
experience
that
and
like
the
the
europe
like
conference,
I
was
like
looking
at
the
channel
in
the
morning
after
it
was
already
done,
because
I
was
like
stephen
constance
were
up
late
at
night.
I
I
just
looked
in
the
morning
and
I
was
like
wow
like
this
is
the
same
thing
in
person
like
on
slack,
and
I
can
read
all
of
the
conversations
that
are
happening
and
references.
B
I
think
that
it
was
really
great,
so
I'm
looking
forward
to
how
we
can
leverage
that
going
forward
to
just
make
attending
and
this
information
more
accessible.
So
no.
A
Doubt
hey
I'm
gonna
pop
this
question
up
here,
I'm
sorry
constance.
Did
you
want
to
answer
that
as
well
or
but
I
kind
of
want
to
put
this
question
out
and
ask
you
all
to
go
yeah.
A
C
Yeah,
so
one
thing
that
jinx,
I
was
going
to
say
one
thing,
actually
kind
of
forced
us
to
like
think
about
a
little
bit.
More
too.
Is
that
like
kubecon
kind
of
sold
itself
because
of
the
in-person
aspect,
and
also
a
little
bit
of
like
the
marketing
and
like
there's,
also
like
you
know,
like
the
promo
videos
of
something
new
and
just
trying
to
think
of,
like
you
know,
hallway
track
is
an
example
of
engaging
with
other
people
and
also
then
to
like
jasmine's.
C
A
Yes,
thank
you.
I
apologize
so
so
you
know
one
of
the
questions
popped
up
and
again
my
nemesis
jason
d.
Tubiarius
has
this
question
out
there,
but
I
think
it's
a
very
legitimate
question:
yeah
pizza.
How
do
you
handle
the
challenge
that
no
matter
how
much
work
and
effort
you
all
put
in
to
curate
into
schedule?
They'll
always
be
vocal
folks
that
publicly
criticize
the
end
result
so.
C
A
D
D
Over
time,
I
think
I
I
think,
especially
this
year
or
this
year
in
change.
I've
realized
that
you
will
drive
yourself
insane.
D
If
you
try
to
please
everyone,
you
cannot
please
everyone
as
much
as
you
strive
to
make
information
available
as
much
as
you
strive
to
create
opportunities.
There
will
always
be
detractors.
There
will
always
be
people
that
do
not
understand
what
you're
trying
to
do.
There
will
be
people
who
who
impugn
what
you're
trying
to
do
without
having
all
of
the
information
at
hand.
D
So
one
of
the
biggest
things
that
we
are
trying
to
do
over
time
and
definitely
like
it's
a
it's
a
matter
of
like
sustainability
to
you
for
for
the
program,
long
term
right
like
when
when
constance-
and
I
leave
when
you
know
when
jasmine,
you
know
when
we
bring
in
two
more
chairs
when
jasmine
leaves
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
It's
about
transparency
right.
How
do
we
create
a
you
know?
How
do
we
create
a
set
of
of
assets
and
and
a
program
that
can
be
introspected
pretty
easily
right?
D
So,
whether
it's
through
you
know
whether
it's
about
program
committee
selection,
whether
it's
about
chair
selection
itself,
whether
it's
about
how
we
build
the
program,
what's
the
actual
process
behind
the
scenes,
what
each
of
the
you
know,
what
the
program
chairs,
what
the
the
program
committee
is
expected
to
do,
what
the
track
chairs
is
are
expected
to
do
what
the
program
chairs
are
expected
to
do
like
how
like,
if
we
could
pull
back
the
curtain
all
the
way.
D
What
would
that
look
like
right
and
as
we,
I
think
you
know
as
kind
of
engineer-shaped
people
as
well,
when
you
see
a
bad
process,
you
go.
No,
I'm
I'm,
like
I'm
automating
this.
I'm
deleting
this!
I'm
doing
something
to
this
right,
whether
it's
like
writing
an
app
to
get
rid
of
it
or
or
bouncing
it
off
of
a
few
different
people
open
sourcing,
a
component
of
it
so
on
and
so
forth.
So
you
know
we
have.
D
We
spend
a
lot
of
our
days
in
like
spreadsheets
right,
huge
spreadsheets,
multi
sheets
that
are
doing
like
there's
a
diversity
dashboard.
There
are
all
these
things
going
on
so
like
one
shout
out
to
nancy,
lancaster
and
brian
lyles,
because
at
some
point
they
sat
down
prior
and
just
were
like.
No.
This
has
to
be
just
a
little
better
than
what
we're
doing
today.
D
So
that's
the
you
know,
that's
the
content
that
we
get
to
work
with,
and
hopefully
we
can
leave
something,
that's
even
better
for
the
next
round
of
chairs
to
deal
with
right,
but
I
think
I
think
the
you
know.
I
think
the
answer
is
transparency,
so
we
can
make.
We
can
make
things
more
sustainable.
A
If
anyone
else
doesn't
want
to
add
to
that,
I
think
that's
a
perfect
segue
into
my
next
question.
To
be
completely
honest
with
you
all
like.
What
do
you
see
is
like
you
know
what
are
some?
What's
some
advice
for
for
jasmine
to
be
honest
and
also
other
co-chairs
that
would
come
into
here.
That
may
be
watching
this
and
being
like
okay,
you
know
we
want
to
understand
like
what
are
some
pieces
of
advice.
You
all
would
give.
C
One
just
taking
to
heart
that
right,
you're
not
gonna,
make
everyone
happy
and
so
like
we're,
making
these
decisions
right,
they're
all
like
there's,
no
such
thing
as
a
perfect
decision
like
especially
when
it
comes
to
choosing
talk
so
like
you're
gonna,
just
make
a
decision
with
the
information
you
have,
and
that
is
the
best
that
you
can
do,
and
you
can't
really
you
can't
hold
it
against
yourself
or
anyone
right,
because
the
amount
of
time
that
stephen
and
I
have
like
spent
like
on
one
talk
like
comparing
two
talks
and
be
like
what
about
this?
C
What
about
these
things
here
and
like
you
know,
and
it's
like
we
have
probably
spent
on
some
talk
like
40
minutes
going
back
and
forth
and
comparing
to
everything
else,
and
it's
like
it's
just
it's
very
difficult
to
choose
all
these
choose
talks
I
would
think
have
fun
with
it.
I
think
one
of
the
things
like
especially
we're
talking
about
the
future.
I
remember
one
thing
when
I
was
talking
to
dan
other
dad
a
long
time
ago
was
talking
about
how
to
make
this
like
a
little
more
fun.
C
That's
why
I,
like
you
know,
that's
why
I'm
wearing
the
tinfoil
hat.
Is
that
we're
all
like
we're
here
to
learn
and
have
fun,
and
so
like
be
playful
with
it,
like.
You
know
like
provide
a
theme
that
or
something
like
that.
It's
there's
a
lot
of
flexibility
to
kind
of
take
it
where
you
want
to
go
and
just
see
how
it
goes.
D
Same
same
feedback
really
no
notes,
no
off
the.
I
agree.
I
agree
that
there
is
like
it
is
hard,
especially
the
more
time
you
spend
in
the
community.
It
is
your
name
is
on
this,
so
it's
very
easy
to
feel
like
negative
reactions
are
personal
right.
It's
not
it's!
It's
not
personal!
It's
business!
Again!
You
can't
you
can't,
please
everyone!
D
You
have
to
again
like
do
the
most,
with
the
information
that
you
have
at
the
time
and
try
to
please
the
most
people,
and
then
you,
you
know
you
take
the
feedback,
you
take
the
feedback
and
see
how
you
can
improve
as
you
go
deeper
and
deeper
into
the
community.
D
You'll
find
that
like,
if,
if
people
have
started
off,
as
you
know,
for
for
the
the
other
hopefuls
out
on
the
on
the
the
stream
right
now,
there
are
people
who
started
off
as
program
committee
members
they're
people
who
have
gone
from
program
committee
members
into
track
chairs
one
of
the
hardest
things
for
me
to
do
is
like
call
out
a
conflict
of
interest
right
because,
like
at
first
like
it's
like
it's
on
the
program
committee,
super
easy
right.
You're,
like
this
person
works
on
my
team.
D
Very
obviously
like
our
or
this
is
my
project
or
you
know,
or
or
I'm
a
maintainer
for
the
thing
that
is
in
conflict
like
very
obviously
a
con
conflict
of
interest.
And
then,
as
you
go
deeper,
you
become
a
track
chair,
you
know,
and
then
it's
like.
D
So
then
it
becomes
like
very
much
a
compartmentalization
exercise
of
like
friend,
okay
over
here,
like
as
much
as
I
would
like
to
see
you
do
this
role
or
have
this
opportunity,
or
do
this
talk
again?
It's
it's
hard
because
you
have
to
reject.
You
have
to
reject
c
level
people
you
have
to
reject.
You
know
your
your
best
buds.
You
have
to
reject
talks
from
your
company
like
it's
like
it,
it's
it's
hard,
it's
hard
and
and
it's
okay.
D
I
love
the
crazy
ideas
idea
because
some
of
the
best
stuff
that
we've
done,
I
think,
have
been
like
crazy
ideas,
like
all
of
the
any
of
the
promo
content
you've
seen,
that
is,
that
is
off
the
cuff.
That
is
off
the
cuff
constance,
and
I
just
like
noodling
in
a
room
going
like
you
know,
it'd
be
funny,
and
then
we
do
it
and
we
get
a.
We
get
a
bunch
of
like
creative
license
to
to
do
that.
So.
A
Again
necessity:
there
right,
like
you,
know
what
I
mean,
because
you
all
are
like
it's
like
hey.
We
have
to
come
up
with
a
video
to
kind
of
promote
this
versus
like
doing
the
normal
thing
beyond
a
sound
stage
or
whatever
com
you
know,
do
do
the
things
that
you
normally
had,
and
I
think
you
all
did
a
fantastic
job,
considering
what
the
hell
happened
out
there.
Like
you
know,
I
gotta
give
props
to
you
all
and,
like
I
said,
I
said
it
earlier.
A
D
A
So
we
have
another.
We
have
another
question,
this
one's
from
puerco.
Recently,
tech
lee
released
tech
lead.
Bravo.
A
D
It
is,
I
think,
the
answer
to
to
most
things.
It
depends,
so
there
are
lots
of
factors
at
play
for
folks,
especially
it's
not
just
it's
not
just.
If
you
want
to
go,
can
you
actually
go
right
or
like
who
is
in
your
who
is
in
your
bubble?
Are
you
immunocompromised?
How
do
you
have
shots?
Are
you
comfortable,
like
social
anxiety?
Are
you
comfortable
being
around
people
where
you
don't
know
their
immunization
status?
The
a
lot
of
companies
have
travel
bans
right.
D
You
may
not
even
be
able
to
to
go
because
you
won't
be
reimbursed
for
for
for
attending
or
your
company
just
does
not
want
you
to
do
it.
So
there
are
lots
of
things
at
play
that
that
doesn't
make
that
an
easy
answer.
I
am
personally
like
I'm
vaccinated,
I'm
ready,
I'm
like
I'm
itching,
I'm
itching
to
see
you
all
yeah.
B
I,
like
plus
one
to
everything
steven
said
like
everyone's
situation,
is
different
and
I
think
that
we're
doing
our
best
to
accommodate,
like
all
different
situations,
to
make
sure
that
everyone
can
have
a
great
time,
I'm
gonna,
be
there.
I
am
going
to
have
a
lot
of
fun
and
I'm
excited
to
like
see
all
everyone
in
person
and
to
like
have
all
this
great
collaboration
and
and
because
I've
been
I've
been
like.
B
A
Wait,
the
question
is
everybody
like
she's
got
an
eight-year-old,
you
don't
look
like
you,
have
an
eight-year-old
you're
just
gorgeous,
I'm
sorry,
I'm
gonna,
throw
it
out
there
you're
beautiful
so
in
terms
of
in
general.
Like
that's
fantastic,
let
me
so
so.
Let
me,
let
me
ask
you
this.
I
wanna
again
double
click
on
jasmine,
a
couple
more
seconds
like
like
what
is
it
like
you
know
from
from,
especially
from
a
co-chair
perspective
like
what
is
it
like
some
of
the
things
like
you're
like
wow,
I'm,
so
I'm
so
psyched
about
these
things.
B
Yeah,
I
think
that
stephen
alluded
to
it,
just
the
transparency
right
like
making
sure
that
everyone
knows
the
processes
that
we
have
in
place
as
co-chairs
and
can
input
improvements
to
it
so
exposing
it
as
docs
right
I'll
put
it
out
there,
because
I
would
just
want
to
make
it
better.
I
think
you
should
always
leave
in
any
environment
you
and
better
than
you
found
it
so
just
making
it
known
right
and
then
we're
we'll
take
that
feedback
incorporate
it
from
all
directions
and
then
making
it
better.
So
I'm
looking
forward
to
that
mostly.
A
A
D
Unlimited
access
right,
you
know
again,
going
back
to
the
whole,
like
people
can't
attend
for
various
reasons:
right,
they're
already,
they're,
already
various
scholarship
opportunities
for
people
but
like
if
you
said
you
wanted
to
go
to
kubecon
and
you
were
a
maintainer
for
literally
anything
in
the
landscape.
D
Like
done
the
idea
of,
like
I
personally
love
contributor
summit
for
for
the
kubernetes
side,
that
is,
that
is
like
a
day,
zero
event,
and
essentially
what
happens
is
like
we
plan,
we
plan
a
cool
thing
and
we,
you
know-
and
we
have
some
food-
have
some
drinks
and
and
just
kind
of
all,
the
kubernetes
maintainers
hang
out.
We
also
have
like
new
contributor,
like
there
there's
like
a
current
contributors
track
and
then
there's
like
a
a
new
new
contributors
track.
D
So
we
haven't,
I
feel,
like
we
haven't
done
the
aversion
of
that
like
to
the
same.
You
know
to
the
same
energy
that
we
have.
If
we
were
in
person
in
a
little
bit
and
like
having
that
be
a
multi-day
thing
would
would
make
me
excited
the
day.
Zero
events
have
there
are
too
many.
D
There
are
too
many
things
to
do,
and
that
is
that
is
awesome,
and
it
is
terrible
simultaneously
right
because
for
any
one
person
who
is
kind
of
involved
or
has
multiple
hats
and
they're
kind
of
in
like
multiple
day
zeros
but
they're,
also
in
in
like
events
or
they're
running
a
sponsor
booth
or
they're
going
to
be
on
stage
it's
hard
to
like
split
yourself
in
that
many
pieces
and
give
the
same
amount
of
attention
to
each
of
those
pieces.
So
multi-week,
I
don't
know
like
like,
have
it
too
much?
D
Are
we
going
too
crazy
but
like
spreading
the
the
day
zeros
out
into
you,
know
and
giving
them
the
attention
that
they
would
need
right?
Yeah,
it's
there's
some
there's
so
much
cool
stuff
going
on
that.
I
don't
see
right
occasionally
I'll
see
something
cool,
I'm
like
cool
retweet
like
oh,
my
god.
What
is
this?
This
is
happening,
and
sometimes
you
straight
up.
You
miss
it
like
this
week
was
this
week
was
like
maintainer
week.
Then
there
were.
There
were
various
events
that
they
did
for
open
source
maintainers.
D
I
didn't
get
to
go
to
any
of
those
and
I
really
wanted
to
right.
So
it's
one
of
those
things
where
like
now,
we
have
all
these
events
that
are
kind
of
stacked
on,
on
top
of
each
other,
and
it's
hard
to
like
give
that
mental
energy
to
each
one,
so
you're
forced
to
choose
so
giving
more
space
for
that
when
we,
when
we
go
back
to
physical-
and
I
and
I
know
this
one's
in
this
one's
in
l.a,
doing
a
cool
event,
that's
outside
of
like
the
conference
center
right.
D
C
D
Okay,
so
they
did
like
qb
land,
so
I
think
it
was
like
justin
garrison
and
a
few
other
folks
worked
on
putting
that
together.
Yeah.
A
Cool
all
right
so
constance,
again
dream
dream.
C
C
All
right,
so
when
initially
I
was
thinking,
it'd
be
really
nice
if
we're
like
in
an
all-inclusive
resort
somewhere
like
in
like
warm
weather.
But
it's
also
because
now,
like
canada,
announced
that
they
reduced
restrictions
fully
vaccinated.
Canadians
so
like
my
family
might
be
able
to
come
down
soon
very
excited
about
that.
But
I
actually
think
one
thing
kind
of
like
leads
like
more
related
content
is
like
actually
like
really
good
trainings
and
workshops
like
trainings
around,
like
you
know,
maybe
like.
C
Let's
do
even
like
cfp
submissions,
but
also
like
you
know,
really
detailed
workshops,
and
you
know
just
like
even
like
training
about,
like
you
know,
like
better
mentorship
things
like
be
able
like,
especially
if
we
have
like
online
budget,
then
we
can
get
like
some
really
high
profile
people
to
kind
of
give
these
workshops
and
trainings,
and
I
think
that'd
be
really
fun
and
yeah
better
coffee,
I'm
gonna,
say
it
better,
better
coffee
in
the
morning
and
better
snacks,
because,
as
a
seattle,
coffee,
snob.
B
Yeah
yeah,
so
I'm
definitely
on
the
same
wavelength
as
constance.
Like
just
you
know.
Obviously
we
have
great
diversity
in
the
open
source
community,
but
just
continuing
to
push
that
right
and
making
things
more
available.
You
know
supporting
people
from
non-traditional
backgrounds
to
be
exposed
to
cloud
native
like
them
and
through
mentorship
through
classes.
Things
of
that
nature
contributor
summit
also
a
fantastic
idea,
because
I
do
feel
like
one
of
the
ways
that
a
lot
of
people
get
involved
with
coding
and
development.
B
It's
leveraging
open
source,
but
not
knowing
how
to
contribute
to
that
so
inviting
those
folks
to
make
build
relationships
and
then
find
mentors
so
that
they
can
become
contributors
within
the
cloud
native
environment.
I
somehow
I
pictured
like
a
better
version
of
the
fire
fest.
A
Of
the
firefest
we
all
would
be
eating
like,
like
nothing
cheese
sandwich.
You
ever
see
that.
D
C
C
So
maybe
more
puppies
and
kittens
and
like
you
know,
maybe
like
some
hypoallergenic
ones
and
other
type
of
those
like
a
comfort
and
a
rejuvenating
experience.
Capybaras.
D
D
A
All
right,
goats-
and
this
are
also
apparently
capybaras
as
well
all
right.
So
with
that
final
question
here
closing
thought
who
had
just
our
closing
thought
here:
who
has
their
kind
of
what
are
they
thinking?
What's?
What's
something
they
want
to
kind
of
impart
with
it
in
the
world
right
now.
I
don't
know
who
wants
to
take
that
one
first.
A
D
D
Hashtag
be
kind
right,
take
a
little
bit
more
time
to
try
to
understand
the
situation
that
you're
in
or
the
perspective
that
people
are
coming
from
and
and
ask
the
question
sometimes
right,
like
if
you're
in,
if
you're,
in,
like
a
weird
situation,
you're
like
we've,
never
been
in
this
situation
before
like
what's
happening,
like
actually
say
like
are
you?
Okay?
D
Do
you
need
to
talk
about
something
that
might
not
be
this
thing,
because
that's
that's
coming
out
in
a
lot
of
our
communication
right
now,
so
take
a
little
extra
time
with
how
you
communicate
be
clear,
like
have
intent
and
try
to
bring
your
try
to
bring
that
honesty
into
everything
that
you
do
like.
Even
if
it's
a
like
it's
an
issue,
it's
a
pull
request.
It's
a
you
know,
even
if
you
sound
a
little
snarky
on
something
like
try
to
try
to
pull
that
back.
C
I
need
another
minute
to
think
all
right.
Jasmine,
jasmine.
B
I
was
kind
of
formulating
this
more
from
a
like
cube
con
perspective,
so
maybe
I'll
approach
it
from
that
angle.
I
just
my
closing
thoughts.
Are
I
first
want
to
make
sure
I
give
a
public
shout
out
to
stephen
and
constance
just
for
embracing
me
and
the
co-chair
just
circle
of
love.
It's
been
great.
I'm
really
excited
to
kind
of
take.
B
I'm
really
excited
to
take
this
on
with
new
co-chairs
and,
like
you
all,
have
created
a
great
culture
and
you've
done
a
great
job
over
the
past
couple
of
years,
and
I'm
just
looking
forward
to
what
comes
next
we've
already
seen
like
a
lot
of
growth.
Like
I'm
coming
from
an
end
user
perspective,
we
now
have
three
co-chairs,
so
I'm
really
excited
about
the
different
perspectives
and
how
that's
going
to
just
really
evolve.
Kubecon
experience
for
everyone,
so
yeah
just
want
to
say
thank
you
and
looking
forward
to
it.
C
The
only
thing
I
can
say
right
now
is
everyone
get
vaccinated
like
let's,
let's,
let's
make
it
safe
for
everyone
to
be
out
in
the
world,
because
I
think
it's
very
one
thing.
I'm
kind
of
realizing
is
like
how
privileged
we
are,
if
you're
in
the
states
any
in
north
america
and
places
that
have
access
to
vaccines,
we're
so
privileged
to
have
those
vaccines.
C
So
let's
not
waste
those
and
make
it
a
safer
place
for
everyone
right,
because
I
think
part
of
the
thing
we're
talking
about
was
people
being
able
to
come
to
l.a
right
like
if
they
don't
have,
if
they're
not
vaccinated,
it's
gonna
be
really
dangerous
for
them
right
and
so
like.
Let's
make
sure
that
you
know
all
that
stuff,
there
take
care
of
your.
D
A
And
with
that
everyone
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
being
on
the
first.
My
first
show
appreciate
you
all
I
mean
again
we
put
this
up
in
you
know
I
I
I
love
you
all
again,
really
amazing
people
and
jasmine
nice
to
meet
you
like
you
know
like,
and
you
know
again
any
family
of
these.
These
folks
are
folks
of
mine,
so
appreciate
you
and
I
wish
you
nothing
but
but
success.
So
thank
you
all
for
being
on
the
show
kubecon.
A
All
right,
you
all
well,
I'm
gonna
close
with
this
everyone.
So
next
week
we
starting
on
monday,
with
with
duffy
duffy,
is
being
taking
over
this
week
in
cloud
native.
I'm
really
excited
about
that.
Duffy
cooley
is
fantastic
and
you're
gonna
see
some
really
really
great
stuff.
We
have
another
action-packed
week
for
you
all
on
cloud
native
tv.
Please
do
do
us
a
favor.
Follow
on
twitch
follow
cloud
native
tv.
We
have
a
lot
of
content,
we
have
planned
for
you.
A
We
have
amazing,
guests
and,
and
and
amazing
shows
that
we
have
planned
for
you
all,
but
next
week
on
spotlight
live.
I'm
gonna
show
a
video
here,
real
quick
before
I
do
that
like
this
is
gonna,
be
talking
about.
A
I'm
I'm
going
to
be
on
with
dan
lawrence
dan
lawrence
has
something
called
the
sig
store,
we're
actually
doing
a
key
ceremony,
very
cool,
we're
actually
signing
six
keys
that
are
five
to
six
keys
that
are
available
for,
like
signing
for,
like
the
something's
set
up
for
the
sig
store,
it's
very,
very
cool.
It's
like
a
once
in
a
like
a
generation
type
of
thing,
so
it's
very,
very
cool
that
we're
covering
that
and
dan's
a
fantastic
guy.
So
we
have
a
really
cool
show
planned
for
you
all.