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From YouTube: CNCF SIG-Storage Meeting - 2019-07-10
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A
B
B
Now,
as
as
part
of
that
presentation,
I
was
concerned
that
we
didn't
really
have
much
of
a
process
for
sort
of
collecting
information
out
of
a
from
a
project
and
kind
of
making
sure
that
we
capture
at
least
you
know
a
minimum
baseline
of
information
for
for
a
project
and
and
we're
so
so
I
thought
I
could
a
questionary
together,
which
is
shared
in
the
in
the
agenda,
which
I
would
really
love.
B
But
but
this
is,
this
is
kind
of
an
issue
which,
which
comes
up
fairly,
often
finder,
you
know,
and
the
symptoms
are
that's
either.
You
know
something
gets
moved
into
sandbox,
but
then
you
know,
questions
arise
after
it
has
moved
into
sandbox
or
the
projects
does
a
TOC
presentation
and
there
are
sort
of
questions
that
they're
not
prepared
for
that.
B
So
unless
there
is,
unless
there's,
unless
we
have
any
more
sort
of
feedback,
I
would
like
to
propose
sending
this
to
Chris
Anna
check
two
to
raise
at
the
next
talk
meeting
to
kind
of
formalize
this
a
little
better,
because
it's
it's
the
sort
of
thing
which
which
we
should
probably
standardize
across
all
of
the
SIG's
and
Alan
and
across
the
talk.
Is
that
as
a
way
of
sort
of
reviewing
the
sandbox
projects,
any
objection
to
that
I.
C
B
So
what
so,
I
actually
sorry
gone
so
I
had
a
brief
conversation
with
Chris
on
jacket
around
this
and
as
a
case
in
point.
Long
horn
got
slightly
confused
and
they
weren't
sure
who
to
present
to
first.
So
we
we
sort
of
had
a
brief
chat
and
on
Chris's
of
the
opinion
that
the
projects
really
should
present
to
the
sake.
B
First,
if
you
know,
if
we're
nothing
else,
because
it
gives
them
that
opportunity
to
prepare
and
to
and
to
collect
the
required
information
and
kind
of
have
that
first
round
of
questions
before
before
they
hit
that
the
the
TOC
equal.
So
that
seems
to
be
the
recommendation.
I
don't
know
that
we're
sort
of
encoding
that,
as
a
like
thou
shalt,
not
kind
of
thing,
but
that
that
seems
to
be
that
the
workflow.
That's
that's
the
thing
we'd
like
to
adopt
yeah.
D
I
mean
it's
up
to
the
TSE
at
the
end
of
the
day,
but
I
the
TA
see
red.
You
know
agreed
with
the
SIG's
proposal
and
the
six
proposal
says
that
that's
hard
work
so
I
can't
imagine
there
being
any
objections.
The
one
sort
of
procedural
problem
at
the
moment
is
we
don't
have
all
the
things
set
up
yet
so
if
there
is
a
project
that
doesn't
fall
within
one
or
one
of
the
two
or
three
SIG's
that
are
kind
of
formed,
then
then
you
know
what
do
they
do?
Then?
D
B
B
Yeah
so
there
are,
there
are
some
challenges,
I
kind
of
believe,
really
firmly
in
sort
of
identifying
our
area
of
influence
in
our
area
of
concern
and
every
time
the
area
of
concern
goes
way
beyond
the
area
of
influence.
That's
probably
a
good
indicator
to
step
back
and
make
it
somebody
else's
problem,
because
I
think
we
kind
of
have
enough
to
to
to
work
on
as
it
is.
D
No
I
totally
agree
I
just
brought
it
up
as
a
general
problem
and
we
have
a
sort
of
a
similar
thing
with
this
group.
In
that
you
know
we're
storage
databases
are
a
form
of
storage.
We
haven't
really
covered
databases
in
the
white
paper,
yet
I
think
we
have
agreed
that
we
will
cover
databases
in
general.
So
if
a
database
comes
to
the
CN
CF
laid
should
get
backed
into
storage,
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
comfortable
and
clear
about
that.
D
B
B
You
know
I'd
love
any
any
anybody
who's
on
the
call
who
fancies
taking
on
this
challenge.
If
you
could
pull
up
your
handle,
would
be
amazing,
but
otherwise
I
am
tempted
to
reach
out
to
sugu
who's.
One
of
our
tech
leads,
but
he's
also
the
guy
between
behind
the
desks.
So
they
might,
he
might
be
able
to
put
some
resource
into
that
or
maybe
rope
in
a
couple
of
other
colleagues
to
help.
D
E
I
am
I
was
before
we
moved
on
topics.
I
had
wanted
to
add.
I
talked
to
Liz
last
week
as
well
about
creating
a
new
draft
on
sandbox
expectations,
because
if
you
read
the
Charter
back
to
what
Todd
was
asking,
it's
pretty
vague
about
those
expectations.
I
like
the
idea
of
the
the
survey
for
us
SIG's,
helping
us
frame
that
better
because
right
now
we
don't
have
well-crafted
criteria.
E
D
So
the
sandbox
is
a
is
a
special
case.
Maybe
I
should
just
take
the
opportunity
to
clarify
so
I
think
I
mean
without
wanting
to
point
fingers.
I.
Think
some
of
the
confusion
is
actually
arises
from
Chris,
because
I
think
he
has
a
different
view
of
some
of
these
things
than
the
TRC
hasn't
had,
but
just
to
be
clear,
the
reason
why
we
don't
do
due
diligence
as
on
sandbox
projects
is
because
there
are
no
expectations,
that's
kind
of
the
definition
of
a
sandbox
project.
D
D
E
I
lived
through
same
thing:
you
have
the
current
toc
has
not
so
when
I
say
expectations,
maybe
we
call
them
non
expectations
because
you're
exactly
right.
We
have
a
lot
of
frustrated
sandbox
projects
that
they
are
being
measured
against,
that
bar
that
isn't
appropriate.
Perhaps,
and
so
we
need
to
again
level
set.
What
does
it
mean
to
be
a
sandbox
project?
This
goes
back
to
the
survey,
the
Alex,
who
was
putting
together
and
and
defining
those
different
areas
more
in
like
a
easily
set.
Where
do
you
belong
in
the
list?
You
know.
E
Are
you
just
an
idea?
Do
you
have
users?
You
know
it's
a
sandbox
or
incubation?
What
are
you
trying
to
be
measured
against?
Because
it's
it's
absolutely
not
clear
to
many
of
the
people
who
are
being
proposed
today
is
my
concern
and
a
project
that
went
into
sandbox
twelve
months
ago
compared
to
what's
going
on
today
is
very
different,
so
it
was
just
meant
to
have
a
very
consistent,
uniform
way
that
the
TOC
is
looking
at
all
these
projects
from
TOC
to
TOC.
As
that
board
changes,
that
was
my
only
concern
said.
B
So
I
just
just
to
interject
slightly,
so
the
reason
I
put
this
the
project
questionnaire
together
was
basically
because
there
are
two
criteria
that
have
to
be
satisfied
to
become
a
sandbox
project.
Really
at
the
end
of
the
day
and
I'm
two
criteria
points
are
you
have
to
find
two
people
from
the
talk
to
sponsor
you
and
you
have
to
meets
the
CN
CF
IP
policy,
so.
E
B
You
know
IP
policy
type
issues
which
or
or
or
at
least
identify
things
that
need
to
be
looked
at
because
obviously
there's
a
grace
period
on
on
the
IP
policy,
but
but
sort
of
try
and
capture
some
of
that
information
upfront.
So
you
know
which
repos
are
you
using?
What
what
license
model
are
you
using
what
the
pendants
is?
Do
you
have?
How
do
you
integrate
with
other
CN
CF
projects?
B
You
know
any
any
of
that
type
of
information
that
gives
a
theory
member
the
information
they
need
to
actually
sponsor
to
make
that
decision
to
sponsor
and
I
think.
That's,
that's
probably
what
we
need
to
do
to
level
out
the
playing
field,
because
the
the
decision
to
sponsor
varies
greatly
on
the
quality
of
the
presentation
and
the
information
that's
shared
in
in
you
know,
maybe
a
15
minute
slots
once
a
month
and
and
therefore
making
sure
that
the
right
information
is
available
to
make
to
allow
the
TAC
to
make
their
third
decision.
E
And
with
the
projects
now
coming
to
the
cig,
first,
maybe
there's
more
opportunity
for
exchange
rather
than
that
15
minute
presentation
and
and
there's
pre
sponsorship
agreement,
but
I
just
think
we
have
two
projects
brand-new
to
the
CN
CF,
not
understanding
the
process,
not
understanding
the
people
not
having
the
network
right
to
be
able
to
find
the
sponsors
ahead
of
time.
It
just
I
feel
like
there
needs
to
be
something
that's
absolutely
clear:
what
is
expected
of
them?
What's?
What
is
a
great
presentation?
E
C
Yeah
I
think
I
agree
with
Aaron
here,
there's
definitely
room
for
improvement
in
this
process.
I
agree
with
Quinton
a
lot
of
it
is
documented,
but
there
still
remains
a
lot
of
confusion
in
the
community
about
what
it
involves
and
what
the
differences
are
and
how
you
get
how
you
go
through
the
process.
What
is
the
process
like
that
kind
of
thing?
So
I
think
this
is
a
step
in
the
right
direction.
Saying
SIG's
are
gonna
be
involved
with
this
part
of
this
kind
of
decision.
B
Yeah
I
mean
you
know
that,
having
said
you
know,
Quintin
is
writes,
the
sandbox
criteria
are
very
clear
and
the
stuff
that's
on
the
CN
CF
page
is
actually
quite
clear,
but
what
what
we
haven't
defined
is
some
of
the
logistical
elements
right.
So
you
know,
in
order
to
be
fair,
we
we
should
be
at
least
collecting
the
same
level
of
information
out
of
each
project.
Not
sort
of
you
know.
B
This
survey
and
kind
of
test
the
process
with
tribal
FS
who
have
already
presented
to
us
and
I've,
asked
way
to
two
to
fill
in
the
information
for
on
the
survey,
and
we
also
have
the
long
horn
presentation,
which
is
coming
up
in
two
weeks
and
I'd
like
to
use
the
survey
again
to
collect
this
information
and
then
use
that
as
a
prototype.
So
we
can
share
that
with
the
talk
and
say
this
is
the
information
we
collected
with
the
project.
This
is
a
sponsorship
they're.
D
You
know
the
CN,
CF
and,
and
the
TRC
and
I
think
that
we
might
have
to
educate
the
CN
CF
and
the
TOC
rather
than
be
clearer
to
the
projects,
because
I
think
the
requirements
of
the
projects
are
fairly
clear.
I
think
the
problem
is
they're
not
being
held
to
those
requirements
and
I've
I've
come
across
anecdotally.
B
D
E
That
is
the
crux
of
the
problem.
The
crux
of
the
problem
is
the
TLC.
Today,
many
of
them
fantastic
people
have
not
been
involved
in
the
CNC
F
prior
to
being
there.
So
unaware
of
the
transition
of
how
things
have
changed.
Maybe
some
of
the
processes
and
overwhelmed
with
a
backlog
of
projects
I
think
Amy's
done
a
good
job
of
actually
getting
them
on
the
backlog
now
and
scheduling
things
out.
So
you
know
her
joining
is
definitely
going
to
help,
but
I
absolutely
agree.
E
D
Very
okay,
so
maybe
to
wrap
this
up.
Maybe
I
was
involved
in
in
the
sandbox
stuff
and
I
was
involved
in
the
sig
stuff.
Would
you
like
me
to
volunteer
to
present
to
the
I'll,
speak
to
Liz
and
others
on
the
TRC
just
to
make
sure
they're
comfortable
with
this,
but
I
can
present
to
them
just
a
to
them
and
the
broader
audience.
What
the
current
status
of
the
different
criteria
are.
Just
basically
read
the
pages
that
are
on
the
CNC
F
website
and
field
questions.
E
D
E
A
little
bit
of
both
today,
the
sandbox
stuff
is
okay
documented,
but
it
also
doesn't
have.
There
are
a
couple
things
that
I
think
can
be
improved,
and
we
should
always
look
for
continuous
improvement.
For
instance,
anything
time-boxed
right,
like
we
need
to
be,
have
expectations
to
projects
and
also
the
TLC
needs
to
be
able
to
all
asking
the
same
questions
and
having
their
expectations
correct.
For
that.
B
So
look
here
is
I
mean
just
my
two
cents
I,
you
know
I
all
the
education
stuff
matters,
but
I.
Think
I.
I
really
do
believe
that
the
basic
thing
that
that's
missing
here
is
the
logistics
and
the
process.
It's
it's
not.
You
know
what
the
criteria
are
or
how
it's
run
or
what
the
you
know.
People
needs
to
understand.
That's
a
bit
better,
but
but
the
logistics
are
a
problem
right.
B
So
if,
if
a
you
know,
where
does
it
say
anywhere
that
if
you're
a
sign
books
project
and
you
want
to
be
considered
by
the
C&C
F
speak
to
your
friendly
sig
member,
you
know
where
does
its?
Where
does
it
say
what
the
sig
does
once
they've
seen
a
project
presentation,
you
know:
where
do
we?
How
do
we
move
on
to
the
next
step
and
share
that
information
with
the
talk
right.
E
B
These
were
some
of
the
dilemmas
that
I
was
kind
of
struggling
with
when
I
put
together,
the
the
the
decoration
and
the
survey,
so
I
was
just
thinking
to
myself.
Okay,
so
we've
just
had
this
chair
of
this
presentation.
Now
what
how
do
we
move
this
thing
forward
and
and
I?
Don't
think
that
process
is,
is
sort
of
being
discussed
or
written
down
anyway,
and
it
doesn't
need
to
be
anything
complex.
B
B
So
I'm
gonna
try
and
push
it
from
our
point
of
view
as
a
sake,
because
I
think
you
know
it
should
be
made
clear
that
if
there
are
storage
projects
they
should
be
talking
to
the
sick
and
once
they're
presented
to
the
sig.
This
is
the
set
of
information
that
needs
to
be
collected
and
then,
once
that
information
is
collated,
this
is
Howard.
This
is
the
information
we're
gonna
give
to
the
TOC,
and
then
they
can.
You
know
off
to
sponsor
it
after
having
a
TOC
presentation
but
but
I
think
Erin
is
right.
B
E
B
Cool,
so
you
know,
as
I
said,
let's
try
and
capture
any
of
this
or
you
know,
put
any
more
steps
or
any
more
process
that
you
think
we
need
into
that
survey.
Documents
I've
already
shared
it
with
the
with
the
with
the
tears
emailing
us,
but
I'll
sort
of
push
with
that
again,
it
kind
of
would
it
would
have
with
a
bit
of
with
a
bit
of
a
blurb
and
I'll,
think
the
coaches
just
to
make
sure
that
we've
captured
the
blurb
as
we
want
it
to
be.
D
One
last
thought:
Aaron
I
just
occurred
to
me-
maybe
that
education
of
the
TOC
members
and
the
CNCs
staff
about
and
to
be
clear,
I
think
this
problem
exists
way
beyond
the
formation
of
SIG's
I
think
this
existed
before
SIG's
even
existed
and
and
I
think
it's.
It
is
a
genuine
problem.
Maybe
we
should
have
that
in
private
ie,
just
the
TOC
and
CN
safe
staff,
not
the
general
public,
just
to
give
them
a
slightly
more
enclosed
environment
within
which
to
you
know,
ask
ask
questions,
argue
about
whether
the
stuff
is
correct
or
not,
etc.
E
D
B
D
B
They
tend
to
have
you
know
they
tend
to
be
a
particular
topic.
There
have
been
a
couple
of
webinars
in
the
past,
based
on
planning
for
storage,
for
example,
there
has
been
happening
webinars
around
CSI
in
the
past.
It's
it's
basically
up
to
CN
CF
members
to
sort
of
propose
topics
and
then
the
the
CN
CF
sort
of
does
the
scheduling
and
the
marketing
of
this
webinar.
B
B
B
B
D
One
thing
that
crossed
my
mind
earlier
today
was
so
we
got
this
white
paper
which
is
great,
I,
think
and,
and
obviously
one
approach
would
be
just
to
essentially
present
the
same
stuff
again,
but
we've
done
that
quite
a
few
times.
Another
one
would
be
to
set
out
to
use
that
as
a
tool
to
answer
a
hypothetical
question.
So
you
know
customer
X
has
this
storage
use
case?
How
do
they
go
about
figuring
out?
B
So,
okay,
so
let's,
let's
Segway
briefly
into
that,
so
we
we
had.
We
issued
the
survey
just
before
cube
con.
We
only
got
five
or
six
responses,
so
we
have
decided
not
to
use
it.
And
then
yesterday
we
had
gotten
a
slot
on
the
end
user
forum
and
and
Quinton
and
I,
were
there
only
made
a
quick
presentation
to
kind
of
solicit
information,
but
there
were
only
eight
or
nine
people
on
the
call
and,
to
be
honest,
it
was.
B
It
was
not
a
fantastic
experience,
basically
question
after
question
and
nobody
would
underneath
themselves
and
actually
talk
or
engage
so
I,
don't
know
if
it
was
that
particular
call.
You
know.
Maybe
there
was
a
Porter
net
or
whatever,
but
yeah.
We
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
info.
We
did.
We
did
speak
to
I,
forget
her
name
now,
lady
sitting
in
for
Sheryl
yesterday,
and
she
was
going
to
email
out
to
the
to
the
forum
which,
which
I
believe
has
about
300
members
on
the
list
with
the
survey
again
but
I
haven't
checked
today.
B
B
D
I
mean
I,
think
I
think
we
put
a
lot
of
effort
into
that
question
and
I
actually
think
it's
a
very
good
question
err
I
think
we
should.
We
should
just
execute
and
without
necessarily
the
tight
timeline,
we
should
actually
just
get
it
out
to
Griffin
Eddie's.
You
know
six
storage
and
as
many
other
of
those
mailing
lists,
as
we
think
might
be
necessary,
give
it
whatever
amount
of
time
is.
D
A
B
Yes,
that
is
a
great
point
all
right.
So
how
about
this
I
could
craft
an
email
for
to
send
out
to
the
to
our
working
to
our
sake,
which
which
would
capture
at
least
a
few
vendors
and
encourage
them
put
some
but
I'll
try
to
put
a
boilerplates
email
out
so
that
maybe
they
could
send
it
out
to
some
of
their
customers
and
I
may
be
wishing
or
or
sods.
Could
you
send
it
to
the
urban
at-6
storage?
Perhaps
yeah.
D
A
few
active
slack
channel
I'll,
see
in
CFS
they're,
not
storage,
specific
but
but
they're
pretty
active
seem
to
have
thousands
of
people
in
there,
so
it
probably
wouldn't
hurt
to
just
put
it
out
there
as
well.
All.
F
B
F
One
of
the
questions
I
get
asked
by
customers.
A
lot
is
what
type
of
stories
to
use
for
type
of
application.
A
lot
of
you
know,
customers,
you
know
they
have
a
certain
type
of
application,
database
or,
or
you
know,
some
type
of
file
system
or
something
AI.
We
they
just
don't
know
exactly.
What's
the
best
type
of
storage,
to
use
what
replicas
to
use
things
like
that
I
just
feel
like
we
should
move
towards
that
direction.
It's
just
my
suggestion.
B
So
if
we
use,
if
we
use
the
stuff
that
we
had
put
together
in
the
white
paper
and
we,
we
could
sort
of
roleplay
a
few
scenarios
to
kind
of
say:
okay
using
you
know,
if
I
could,
if,
if
somebody
wants
to
run
a
database
or
somebody
wants
to
do,
machine
learning
or
somebody
wants
to
do,
I,
don't
know
data
analytics
or
whatever,
how
would
you
assess
the
attributes
of
the
surgit
you'd
need
and
what
sort
of
solution?
What
sort
of
technologies
could
you
do
you
look
at
using
the
criteria?
B
F
A
F
F
E
F
The
the
idea
is
mostly
I,
I
mean
I've
done
webinars
before
where
they're
pre-recorded
the
presentation,
part
and
then
I
go
in
and
answer
questions
live
after
that
we
could
do
something
like
that.
Where
half
the
time
is
a
presentation
we
could
present.
Also
the
paper
we
have
and
talk
about.
You
know
the
type
of
storage
that
we
have.
You
know
kind
of
enhance
more
on
the
on
the
paper
and
then
we
can
get
ready
for
questions
in
the
end.
B
D
A
D
F
F
101
and
then
we
give
only
one
example
right
here
and
we
can
say
like
this
is
what
we
plan
to
do
for
the
next
iteration
of
another
paper
and
here's
an
example
of
what
we
would
like
to
do
a
show,
and
then
that
kind
of
puts
them
in
you
know,
and
then
that
goes.
We
go
into
questions
after
that
because
and
we
couldn't,
what
do
you
guys
think
about
that?
You
just
do
one.
A
F
A
F
B
B
To
get
some
volunteers
for
the
next
couple
of
papers,
we
had
previously
identified
two
papers.
The
first
one
was.
We
wanted
to
sort
of
write
a
one
or
two
page
paper
to
compare
roblox
tours
ephemeral
discs,
local
disks
and
disks
from
from
storage
services
or
external
services.
I
believe
during
that
might
have
being
that
might
have
been.
B
Dude,
so
do
you
want
to
sort
of
be
like
the
primary
author
for
that
and
maybe
put
a
skeleton
together
and
or
a
first
draft
together
and
then
sort
of
share
it
and
we
can
help
contribute
yeah.
A
B
Fantastic,
okay
and
then
we
also
had
another
paper
that
that
we
were
looking
at
where
we,
we
sort
of
said
we,
we
were
going
to
look
at
the
different
attributes
in
the
white
paper
and
maybe
documents
different
sections
of
to
allow
to
allow
end
users
to
look
at
some
of
the
some
of
the
ways
to
test
those
those
differences
or
to
compare
those
differences.
So
we
kind
of
said
performance
might
be
a
great
place
to
start.
B
Maybe
availability
might
be,
another
might
be
another
option,
and
we
mean
we
said
that
we
would
probably
start
with
documenting
some
of
the
standard
tools
that
people
can
use
to
evaluate
performance,
actually
sort
of
quite
keen
to
to
get
involved
in
some
of
these
performance
performance
options,
because
it's
kind
of
one
of
my
one
of
my
pet
projects
anyway,
but
I'd
love
to
work
with
somebody
else
on
this
too.
If,
if
somebody
fancy
training.
B
F
B
D
I
think
we
should
just
be
careful
of
making
sure
we
get
a
sort
of
a
balanced
group
of
people.
They're
not
know
you
know
questions
around
sugu
at
all,
but
he,
as
you
say,
his
head-
is
very
much
buried
in
one
particular
kind
of
database,
and
maybe
we
need
another
person
to
to
co-lead
with
him
whose
head
is
buried
in
completely
different
kinds
of
databases.
D
B
That's,
that's.
That's
a
fair
point.
I'll
have
a
bit
of
a
thing,
but
if
anybody
has
any
other
suggestions
to
who
we
could
reach
out
to,
please
feel
free
to
ping
me
and
then
Amy
added
another
small
agenda
item
around
creating
some
branding
and
the
logo
and
some
swag
for
the
cigs,
especially
for
the
next,
the
next
coupon.
Do
you
want
to
quickly
talk?
Yes,.
H
B
Want
the
unicorn
and
okay
I'm
glittering
I,
understand.
D
H
So
right
now
we're
taking
ideas.
I
will
go
back
towards
our
designer
at
CN
CF
and
come
and
present
you
guys
with
the
list
of
options.
We
will
bike
shed
it.
It
will
be
a
great
time.
We
will
eventually
move
towards
being
able
to
have
a
pole
with
probably
five
or
four
finals
and
then
from
there.
We
will
finalize
and
you
can
use
it
wherever
you
need
to.