Cloud Native Computing Foundation TAG App Delivery / Bi-Weekly, 5 Jan 2022

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A

Hey everyone, hey robert.

B

C

Hello, everyone.

A

Good morning, happy new.

C

Year thanks, you too, I don't thought that there will be so much people today.

B

Just eager to get stuff done, I guess.

B

Tired of not doing stuff.

A

Exactly we had two I had two weeks off, so I'm happy to be back in the in the car seat.

C

Let's give people another few minutes to join.

D

A

Thomas james was here on the december 15th meeting yeah, but we didn't have quorum. It was just like two or three of us and there were some internet connection issues. So we didn't progress any so we just copied that into the next agenda, but I don't see him here now so.

C

And I think it will go to the next to the it will also move to make the chamber- because it's not here today.

C

And I think that's kind of a longer discussion.

C

So um yes, then, let's start um welcome everyone to today's tag meeting. um I think we have a very short agenda today, because everyone who has put something on to on the agenda is not here at the moment.

C

So is there are? Are there any things you want to discuss today or, um as as the majority of the cooperative delivery working group is here? Are there any news from from your working room.

A

No, we cancelled the last meeting in december, so we're at about the same state. We were about a month ago.

A

Potato it's coming along gradually, so.

C

Yes, but this um I took a look on it. um I think that the issue with uh with the public repositories is, is not not sourced until now. Isn't it right now a good point? No, we.

A

Need to get that uh github, ghcr dot, io slash potato head. um I need to get make that public.

C

Because I tried to do this, but I also have not enough permissions to do this and um yes I'll talk to harris after his location.

A

Oh he's out, do you have thomas? Are you a admin of the org.

C

I think I'm I'm luck admin, but I don't have permissions to set this public.

A

Oh really so you see them, but you can't make them public. Yes, okay, at least you see them because I don't even see them. So I'm like where the heck are these things. So great, okay, that's okay, just gonna ask alois so this is.

C

Kind of kind of weird but, um as I said I I'll I'll, ask alice as soon as he's back from this location. Thank you, then, we'll try to get this out. Another thing regarding the potato head: do you think it would make sense to have one helm shot for each service and put them together via an umbrella.

A

I I think we should discuss it. I actually tried to do.

C

This, oh sorry,.

A

Oh, I just was gonna say like since you're asking I'm like it's a discussion. I don't know. I mean if you're asking my opinion on that practice. Like I've tried it at places and it hasn't always gone well, but it would be interesting, yeah for sure.

C

Because I've, I have some some use cases where, where you want to deploy the services independently and therefore this would this would make it a bit easier.

E

When you say service, do you mean an application um like um I guess or or like? I guess I don't know like the terminology um but like.

B

Microsoft, each of yeah each of the the applications- yes, okay, so.

E

B

E

Because, typically at least here we have something like 200 of them and each each team owns a service, and then they have a chart that goes with it, and so we have a whole infrastructure.

E

You know that I think you guys have working on on this um project. You know to kind of put it all together, whether it be a dead ops model, or you know something older like a spinnaker or whatever it is. So. I think I think this um project could should kind of mirror that pattern of a service or being like an application, and then you know how do you kind of compose it.

B

Yeah, it does totally make sense. I just happen to have been working with a customer who has that for a very simple application, so I'm kind of biased towards not doing anything, that's complicated at the moment.

D

B

uh But that's uh but yeah it makes sense. The the services should probably be their own them. You know their own home charts and and then have something that you know sets that up nicely, which is a good practice thing to do anyway. So someone wants to do that. That's cool.

A

We could also keep it in parallel with the existing one to start with like, if that's something I think we discovered when we merged in my big changes like. Let's find a way to maintain older examples and implementations like the monolith so like you could have a chart one and a chart two or something at least for a little while if we want to demonstrate different different ways.

C

And so I think this is a thing we could. We could take a look on in the future. um I think we have someone new here, the the in the um tag today so olek. um Would you like to introduce yourself, or did you already do this.

D

Hi, all and sorry for being late, just waking up uh so yeah uh happy to participate. I actually represented the canteens delirium foundation also drink is coming the yeah work for dinner trees.

D

So I just uh joined recently to help with the captain project yeah, you will be helping with the rotation process.

D

Let's finish incubation just like process, first, of course, uh so yeah next meeting I will present the waters of the status of captain, including uh the current adjustments uh based on the due diligence side uh done by the attack of delivery. So they got a lot of feedback we got from there. We got uh from the initial dc reviews and there are some adjustments and improvements happening in this project. It's roadmap. I know it's community so that we can better fit the cncf criteria and also adjust how we operate and yeah.

D

My goal in the next months will be actually to prepare the project for incubation in two weeks, we'll be happy to speak about what actually happens then.

C

um So I think we already talked um we. It would be cool if we, uh if we could present the progress in two weeks, because then we would have more people there and especially more people involved in the incubation process yeah, and I think this would make would bring more value. Let's say this way.

D

Definitely well, it's not just uh captain and there are other projects related to app delivery uh which I'll go on through occupation and some books, application phrases now.

C

It's the same for backstage, I think so backstage is also stuck in stuck between sandbox and incubation. At the moment,.

D

Last time I checked there, we are eating projects, including some big ones.

D

Of course, there is a native application, which is quite recent, but also there is a lot of projects we try to move between these phases. These days.

A

Go ahead, I was just gonna ask like in terms of preparing for this captain one, the conveyor one other things: what's the ask from our tag? Exactly? Is it to go through the technical implementation? Is it to review the due diligence doc? Is there something we can do in the next couple weeks to be prepared.

C

um For captain the whole due diligence, dog, stuff and so on, is already done, so we already received their um due diligence document and jennifer already took a look on it and also gave up a recommendation.

C

So that's the thing which is um which we should do normally, but in the end we only give a recommendation, but not, uh but uh that tears he does the rest.

C

So there will also be end user interviews and so on, which are triggered as far as no better. If you see.

C

So currently we we are waiting for someone of, uh for some someone of the jews to go ahead.

C

So, especially in the case for captain, it was pretty hard to get that uc sponsor at the moment.

D

And although tmc passed through the organization, they had a lot of joining this hotel. Also, there are pending connections which will uh elect five additional members, so they're growing uh the qec to mature the capacity, because before that, they had something seven or nine people, and it was currently.

C

Currently, they are eleven.

D

So if understood correctly, they're still drawing which I'm achieving requirements.

C

C

Gold- um so I have no additional agenda points for today has uh has anybody something he wants to discuss here.

C

Otherwise, we would get back around 45 minutes.

D

Maybe one question actually to tlc, specifically, so the nominations open until january 11th, it's the next week from what I can tell talk up. Delivery hasn't done animation for the elections here. So the question is, but there is interesting in doing so.

C

I think normally with uh the pc members, don't get nominated by the text themselves, but I think alice knows more about the process here.

D

So I can uh take it offline, maybe to the chat um yeah. Now from my understanding. It's basically tax eligible.

D

Goes to the governing board and you see itself yeah might be wrong.

D

C

Okay, then, um I think we should move the conveyor and the cap incubation on thing to the next meeting.

C

um I think next next week there will be uh there will be the next caller uh cooperative delivery meeting. Isn't it okay, then I'll also try to join this one great, and we should try to try to announce this a bit more loud a bit louder than currently.

C

C

So, if, if nobody has additional agenda points, I think we'll call it a day and yes see, you see you again in two.

B

All right, you.