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A
C
B
B
A
B
B
Amazing,
thank
you
very
much
so
per
usual,
we'll
we'll
go
based
on
the
the
note
stock.
So
come
join
us
if
you're
not
there
already.
If
there's
something
you
want
to
talk
about,
that's
not
on
there
go
ahead
and
add
it
to
the
agenda
and
we'll
we'll
make
sure
to
cover
it,
give
it
another
minute
or
two
for
people
to
come
by,
but
we
are
nearly
there.
B
B
Second,
it
comes
from
a
couple
of
other
conferences
that
do
that,
but
sort
of
just
a
short
intro
would
be
amazing,
and
then
often
people
have
more
things
they
want
to
share,
and
then
we
can
always
schedule
in
you
know
time,
for
you
know
product,
deep,
Dives
or
story
deep
Dives
based
on
on
the
intros
So
yeah.
Thank
you.
Dj
definitely
want
to
hear
from
you
so
we'll
just
give
it
I.
Usually
wait
till
I
think
we
usually
wait
till
about
the
five
minutes
pass.
B
E
Department
in
the
customer
experience
division
of
it
and
we
built
them
platforms
there
and
then
now
I
moved
to
engineering.
My
internship
role
in
the
A
and
Discovery
organization,
building
the
next-gen
platforms
and
at
Conquest
and
at
work
like
yeah
technically,
like
I,
was
hands
on
into
performances
during
my
entire
career
from
The
Internship.
Until
until
now,
even
now,
I
see
as
a
performance
is
my
core
strength,
and
this
look
at
systems
at
scale
have
been
also
a
lot
of
participating.
E
A
lot
of
ergs
and
also
I
technically
involved
in
a
lot
of
initiatives
across
the
company
outside
and
within,
and
impact
wise
I
I
do
as
I
also
do
as
a
guest
faculty,
and
also
mentoring.
Some
students
from
the
non-profit
organizations
and
I
go
for
campus
setting
in
various
universities
so
far
and
and
I
believe
in
scalable
technology
and
its
impact
on
humanity
is
a
big
thing.
B
That's
awesome,
thank
you.
So
much
I
feel
like
whenever
someone
asks
me
who
I
am
I
Stumble
through
it
for
about
30
to
60
seconds.
That
was
that
was
extremely
informative
and
very
well
aligned
with
what
we.
What
we're
up
to
here.
So
the
one
thing
I
guess
I
didn't
gather
from
that
was
was
how
you
found
us
like.
How
did
you
decide
to
come
to
the
meeting
today?.
E
E
This
is
a
big
thing
in
the
industry
why
people
are
not
noticing
it,
but
now,
when
I
see
this
this
becoming
a
thing
and
I
think
I
myself
said:
okay,
let's
see
what
is
going
on
in
the
industry
and
I
I'll
I
use
a
lot
of
cloud
native
computer
Foundation
tools
and
Technologies
already
so
I
use
that
as
in
landscape,
is
my
go-to
place
for
anything
that
I
do
first.
So
when
I
see
this
working
group
on
the
platform
say
defining
this
as
a
model
that
virtuality
model.
E
B
E
B
B
B
B
Once
that's
done,
we
so
that's
the
second
bullet
point,
but
the
top
bullet
point
is
actually
what
will
be
unlocked,
which
is
that
there's
been
a
lot
of
great
work
around
a
prototype
for
creating
a
platform,
and
we
want
that
to
live
on
on
the
website
and
be
something
that
people
can
make
pull
requests
into
as
examples
and
and
make
that
visible.
So
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
context
on
that.
I,
don't
see
the
end
here.
D
B
B
So
I
I
think
that
the
only
context
I
have
is
that
it
was
merged
once
it
had
some
some
like
linking
issues.
So
there
are
some
dead
links
unintentionally
and
then
so
it
got
reverted
and
then
I
don't
know
what
work
has
been
done
since
the
revert
to
to
revalidate
so
I,
wouldn't
I
wouldn't
hit
the
merge
button
right
away
without
without
checking
that
stuff,
but
yeah,
that's
sort
of
where
we're
at
so.
B
C
B
C
B
C
B
B
Cool,
if
there's
nothing
else
on
those
two,
mostly
because
it's
a
lot
of
questions
without
a
lot
of
answers
today.
Sorry,
the
next
one
on
the
list
is
the
maturity
model.
So
this
one
has
been
picking
up
steam,
which
is
awesome.
We
are
in
a
state
where
we
have
done
two
deep
Dives
sessions
in
a
synchronous,
kind
of
call
format.
B
Okay,
so
I
think
what
you
can
see
now
is
our
platform
working
notes.
This
is
what
we're
working
off
of
here
today
and
we're
sorry
about
that.
I
should
have
showed
it
sooner
and
so
we're
now
at
the
platform
maturity
model
and
where
we've
gotten
to
is
we
sort
of
parked
the
big
document,
because
we've
talked
about
how
there's
like
sort
of
three
sections
to
that
document?
There's
like
the
preamble.
B
Why
is
this
document
exist?
How
do
we
expect
people
to
use
it
then
there's
the
table
which
is
sort
of
the
screenshotable
slide,
deckable
high
level
overview,
and
then
there's
going
to
be
a
detailed
section
and
those
are
quite
tightly
coupled.
So
if
the
table
changes,
the
detail
section
has
to
change.
B
So,
rather
than
kind
of
seeing
weird
things
pop
up
in
the
table
that
are
actually
challenging,
the
like
underpinnings
of
the
table,
I
tried
to
surface
those,
so
please
feel
free
to
like
question
and
ask
questions
and
challenge
any
of
these
and
then
separately
or
in
addition,
this
table
is
the
proposed
table
at
this
stage.
This
column
here
is
going
to
be
deleted.
B
The
other
thing
to
kind
of
keep
an
eye
on
is
I
would
say:
measurement
is
a
a
brand
new
Dark
Horse.
So
that
came
in
through
some
slack
chat
in
the
last
week,
and
so
does
that
fit.
Is
that
something
we
want
to
see
on
the
table
or
not?
And
if
so
are
these
levels
reasonable,
they're
sort
of
as
they
say,
not
something
that
people
have
reviewed
a
lot
of
yet
so
yeah?
So
we're
gonna
have
a
deep
dive
on
this
tomorrow
and
honestly,
looking
at
our
schedule.
B
B
We've
talked
about
how
the
the
white
paper
is
like
kind
of
the
top
of
our
hierarchy
of
content
and
the
maturity
model
is
a
level
below
that
in
tangibility
and
and
kind
of
grounding.
But
it's
sure
as
heck,
not
a
you
know,
prototype,
which
is
another.
You
know
that's
levels
below
the
the
maturity
model.
We're
not
gonna,
be
talking
about
technology
in
the
maturity
model,
that
kind
of
thing,
but
between
maturity,
model
level
of
depth
and
something
like
a
prototype.
B
There
is
a
deep
dive
on
the
concepts
behind
the
maturity
model
that
you
know
we
we
won't
be
able
to
cover
in
a
consumable
maturity
model
and
so
he's
looking
to
put
together
something
that's
a
deep
dive
on
platform
as
a
product
as
a
concept.
I
think
there's
been
talk
now
recently
about
observability
or
measuring
of
your
platform
as
a
another
possible
example
of
like
a
detailed
paper,
we
can
write
that
would
kind
of
speak
to
if
you're
trying
to
achieve
maturity
on
this
model.
B
Here
are
you
know
more
tangible
things
you
can
look
at
and
how
those
work.
So
that's
the
context
of
the
piece
of
work
he
wants
to
do
it's
going
to
be
steeped
in
user
research,
around
end
user
platform,
engineering
teams
and
things
like
that,
but
so
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done
there
around
how
we
get
those
interviews
with
end
users,
how
we
derive
data
from
the
then
and
therefore
influence
our
outputs
and
the
like
kind
of
structure
and
writing
of
that
paper.
B
C
Good
question
yeah,
specifically
on
the
deep
dive
for
tomorrow.
What
I
put
down
was
that
it
seems
like
a
bit
of
the
Deep
dive
is
going
to
be
fleshing
out
more
of
the
specifics
of
the
table.
So
now
that
we've
kind
of
got
the
general
structure
kind
of
diving
into
the
implications
of
that
and
what
that
would
kind
of
like
practically
look
like
to
I'm
gonna
put
pen
paper
and
build
that
out.
More
is
that
kind
of.
B
B
So
with
that
in
mind,
the
thing
that
would
trigger
me
to
say,
hey,
that's
not
a
realistic
goal
would
be
if
we
leave
tomorrow
without
alignment
that
this
is
a
a
reasonably
stable
table.
So
my
goal
is
to
get
to
the
point
where,
whatever
the
table
state
is
at
the
end
of
tomorrow
is
reasonably
stable
would
be
my
goal.
Obviously,
if
people
feel
like
there's
a
lot
of
things
left
to
do,
then
there's
a
lot
of
things
left
to
do
and
we'll
we'll
tackle
those
and
then
the
second
goal
of
tomorrow.
B
If
we
get
there
is,
if
there's
people
who
want
to
take
ownership
over
writing
the
detailed
sections
for
any
portion
of
the
table,
we
need
to
get
kind
of
initial
Straw
Men
ideas
down
for
these
and
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
like
melding
of
of
writing
styles
and
things
to
be
done.
But
if
we
can
at
least
get
sort
of
ideas
of
what
people
want
to
be
highlighted
in
the
detailed
sections,
then
that
would
would
go
a
long
way
for
getting
us
started
on
that.
B
So
if
anyone
wants
to
own,
you
know
one
of
these
rows
or
if
people
want
to
own
a
column
or
whatever
I
think
that
would
be
cool
so
that
there's
more
diversity
in
those
voices
so
cool.
Thank
you.
No
worries
any
other
questions
about
either
the
meeting
tomorrow
or
anything
else
or
any
other
actions,
because
what
I'm
thinking
is,
if
we
don't
have
it
like.
B
F
B
D
B
A
D
B
So
you
can
start
to
get
ideas
from
him
of
like
what
design
could
look
like,
but
that's
part
of
why
getting
ourselves
to
sort
of
content
complete
by
September
and
allowing
ourselves
time
to
have
that
content,
review
and
start
thinking
about
design
options
is
like
gives
us
some
time
to
do
that.
So
yeah
ain't,
no
designer,
but
the
the
for
context.
B
E
I
have
one
question,
but
I
can
admit
because
I
I
go
through
this
table
in
detail
today
and
tomorrow.
I
can
come
up
with
points
if
there
isn't
valid
points
that,
but
so
one
of
the
challenges
with
adapting
Platforms
in
the
organizations
is
that
at
what
scale
of
the
other
organization
is,
and
if
it's
a
startup
to
Middle
the
the
and
also
the
moderate
scale
and
then
bigger
companies
right
and
depending
on
the
company
under
on
their
total
organizational
structure,
actually
also
influences
this
platform
maturity.
E
A
lot
I
have
worked
in
XP
I,
have
experience
in
all
of
these
companies
and
when
I
look
back
in
my
entire
carry
around
and
when
I
see
the
themes
the
challenge
becomes
more
common.
It
becomes
more
complex,
a
challenge
when
it
moves
to
an
larger
animations
with
lot
of
different
teams
in
it
right.
So
when
we
try
to
adopt
these
models
and
how
we
can
add
a
dimension
to
this
in
the
organizational
scale
that
gives
us
a
more
thought
provoking
table.
E
For
example,
if
I'm
an
executive
director
at
the
small
company
right
when
I
look
at
the
stable,
it
doesn't
matter
to
me.
I'm
I'm,
not
they
give
these
people,
but
when
you
try
to
incorporate
that
also
into
this
kind
of
foundational
models,
no
one
will
neglect
these.
No
one
will
take
it
as
the
day.
It's
not
my
everyone
try
to
understand
it,
so
it
they
consider
this
also
as
a
dimension
from
small
to
medium
to
large
scale
Enterprises
and
they
Define
the
maturity
by
thoughtful
thinking
so
I'm.
B
Yeah,
let
me
see
if
I
can
reflect
back
if
I've
heard
correctly.
So
what
you're
saying
is
that
there
are
a
wide
range
of
kind
of
contexts
that
could
use
this
and
how
do
we?
How
do
we
validate
this
can
work
in
those
contexts?
I
think
that's
a
great
point.
I
actually
had
meant
to
bring
that
up.
That,
like
I,
think.
B
Another
thing
we
can
do
tomorrow
is
if
people
want
to
try
and
work
work
through
their
work
cases,
so
whether
they
be
former
jobs,
former
Consulting
gigs,
former
friends
of
theirs,
that
they
know
have
had
situations
like
I.
Think
talking
about
scenarios
associated
with
this,
and
could
you
could
you
use?
It
will
be
a
good
kind
of
litmus
test,
so
I'm,
seeing
some
nodding
I
think
that's
one
piece
of
the
thing
you
were
saying,
but
then
the
second
piece
of
the
thing
I
think
that
you're
saying
is
like.
B
B
B
Right,
like
that's,
okay
and
so
I
think
where
we've
tried
to
tackle
that
right
now
is
in
the
kind
of
Preamble
in
that
introduction,
section
and
I
think
that
likely
could
use
a
refresh
once
we
sort
of
as
we've
kind
of
matured
our
own
thinking
about
the
model
as
we
go.
But
that's
one
location
where
I
know
that
we've
been
trying
to
a
add
that
Nuance
is
there
anywhere
else
that
you
think
we
could
add
that.
B
B
And
so
please
keep
an
eye
on
that
as
you
do
review
the
document,
because
it's
it
is
the
intention
to
have
covered
that
that
doesn't
mean
we
succeeded
yet
right.
This
is
all
still
in
review
and
so
you'll
see
like
that.
You'll
see
some
statements
in
here
that
hopefully
start
to
to
reference
that,
but
we
could
maybe
take
it
a
step
further.
Maybe
it
deserves
its
own
section.
I,
don't
know
like
that's
the
thing
that
we'll
we'll
start
looking
at
yeah
now.
So
definitely
awesome.
E
B
One's
offended
by
any
of
the
words
on
this
table,
I'm
very
I'm
I
you
either
are
so
offended.
You
can't
even
be
bothered
to
say
it
or
you've
fallen
asleep
and
you've
managed
to
still
look
like
your
eyes
are
open.
I
can't
I
can't
believe
that
we've
managed
to
get
to
a
table
that
people
are
not
offended
by.
It
would
be
a
miracle.
C
B
Yeah
and
that's
okay
and
we
can
pop
off
the
call
at
any
time,
there's
no
need
to
fill
the
hour.
I
just
wanted
to
give
space
in
case
people
weren't
going
to
be
able
to
make
it
tomorrow
if
they
wanted
to
or
if
they
felt
like.
We
were
in
some
sort
of
position
where,
if
we
were
to
come
in
tomorrow
to
the
call
we're
like
we're
in
a
trouble
Zone
that
if
we
could
tackle
something
today
before
that
call
tomorrow,
then
we
would
be
in
a
better
place.
B
E
Can
certainly
you
like
anyone,
but
mainly
that,
because,
as
a
first
time,
mentoring
into
this
space
and
I
feel
I
definitely
feel
it
belongs
to
in
this
community
and
I
want
to
see
like
how
I
can
find
the
possibilities
and
then
how
to
make
sure
that
I
involve
into
this
and
like
I,
need
few
minutes
of
guidance
on
that.
So
anyone
who
has
like
Ai
and
the
person
like
I
can
I
can
definitely
help
you
to
hand
holder
the
initial
phase.
So
I
would
like
to.
D
E
So
the
point
is
that
the
main
thing
that
links
is
that
communication
and
also
collaboration
aspect
of
it
and
then
the
platform,
engineering
teams,
the
maturity
comes
with
having
more
openness
in
the
communication
and
then
understanding
the
ideas
and
collaborating
each
other
right.
So
where
exactly
we
are
covering
in
this
particular
table,
I
I,
don't
know
if
it
belongs
to
or
not
also
but
I
I
personally
feel
me.
Building
the
platform
team
and
I
said
like
successful
team.
I
can
I
can
self
rate
it.
E
As
the
challenge,
what
I
facing
last
couple
of
years
is
that
influencing
everyone
to
get
it
adapted
and
then
maintaining
the
SLS
of
it
and
then
also
being
an
operationalization
of
it
and
then
making
sure
that
hey?
This
is
a
feature
coming
so
like
getting
the
requirements
from
them
to
recycle.
You
know
like
it.
It's
my
like
16
hours,
a
day
of
time
that
I
had
to
took
because
I
believe
in
this
model
and
I
took,
but
where,
in
the
table,
we
are
going
to
cover
that
kind
of
points.
D
I'm
not
sure
if
there's
any
one
point
where
that
is
covered
specifically
directly
but
I.
Think
it's
like
it's
it's
it's
a
mixture
of
some
of
these
categories.
I
think
that
kinda
answers
your
question
I
think.
There's
the
the
idea
about
how
to
get
adoption
of
the
platform.
It's
also
the
idea
of
how
to
get
investment.
The
investment
is
not.
You
know
not
necessarily
money
but
also
hours.
You
know
people
Etc
getting
people
to
understand
the
the
scope
of
what
you're
trying
to
do
and
get
back
in.
D
For
that
there's
also,
you
know
there's
other
aspects
here
where
that
kind
of
gets
touched
upon:
I,
don't
there's
like
I,
don't
necessarily
think
we
need
to
have
something
that
is
that
specific
to
those
specific
pain
points
but
I
think
they
get
covered
throughout
the
model
in
various
ways,
but
I
I.
Would
you
know
just
at
that
point
recommend
you
to
read
through
it
and
and
think
about
that
you
know
set
of
pain
points
and
try
to
see
if
you
can
find
it.
D
E
B
Amazing
yeah
I
think
that's
exactly
when
I
say
like
bring
challenges
in
this
in
the
sense
of
use
cases
tomorrow,
I
think
that's
exactly
what
you're
you're
doing
and
that's
exactly
what
you
know.
We
can
do
it
today
and
we
can
do
it
tomorrow,
but
that's
what
we
want
to
be
doing.
One
thing
I
heard
and
what
you
were
saying
is
that
you
have
applied
the
concept
of
platform
as
a
product
and
managed
like
managed
a
yeah.
B
You
basically
applied
the
platform
as
a
product
concept
or
Tech
technique
and
I
think
one
thing:
you'll
notice
in
the
evolution
of
the
table
from
this
initial
sort
of
stab,
which
has
been
a
bit
a
bit
extended
on
and
a
bit
hard
to
read
these
days.
But
you
can
see
it
started
with
something
like
platform
as
a
product
as
a
mature
level.
B
We've
moved
away
from
that
into
things
like
Community
enabled
and
product
budget
and
things
which
are
more,
which
are
trying
to
stay,
stay
away
from
techniques
and
tactics
and
and
more
look
at
like
drivers
and
outcomes
where
I
I'm
expecting
that
when
we
drop
into
the
detailed
section.
What
does
a
product
budget
mean?
B
Like
maybe
we'll
see
some
evolutions
of
it.
Maybe
we'll
see
some
like
improvements
like
clarifications
of
it,
but
I
would
say
that's
a
fair.
It's
hopefully
can
be
fairly
durable
and
what
I
think
what
you
might
see
in
sort
of
two
years?
An
update
to
this
thing
is
an
update
to
the
descriptions
which
is
like.
We
have
learned
that
to
create
that
optimized
platform,
the
techniques
that
we
were
advocating
for
today,
maybe
don't
stand
the
test
of
time,
as
well
as
the
concepts
that
we
put
into
the
model.
B
F
B
B
Thank
you
for
for
having
time
to
stay
on,
depending
on
where
that
chat
goes,
we
can
have
Josh
sort
of
just
cut
the
recording
or
we
can
turn
off
the
recording
now,
whatever
makes
sense
for
you,
YouTube
like
or
the
group
feel
free
to
do,
but
otherwise
I
look
forward
to
seeing
those
who
can
make
it
tomorrow.
So
yeah.