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A
B
Yeah
I
got
you
covered,
I,
didn't
know
how
like
much
attention
to
bring
to
it
or
not.
I
think
it's
just
one
of
the.
What
I'm
going
to
do
is
I'm
just
going
to
put
it
in
a
PR
and
just
kind
of
move.
The
content
over,
as
is
into
the
website,
just
use
that
as
like
it's
there
as
this
draft
matures
I'll
just
update
the
content,
be
fine
and
then
maybe
we
can
choose
to
publish
it
as
part
of
like
the
hey.
It's
out
there
like.
A
A
Yeah,
that
would
be
great
to
get
it.
I
mean
I'm
thinking,
we'll
we're
gonna
work
on
that
branch
and
then
once
we're
all
happy
we're
gonna
do
a
big
PR
to
merge
the
branch
into
Maine
and
yeah.
B
I
I
would
love
to
see
this
one
kind
of
turn
into
over
time,
like
its
own
example
right
in
its
own
best
practice
like
put
this
on
a
platform,
have
full
get
Ops,
even
if
it's
just
for
the
doc
site
and
it's
way,
Overkill
I,.
A
Think
that's
a
great
idea,
a
golden
path
for
publishing
a
docsite
and
that's
how
we
publish
our
talks,
not
bad
I,
like
it
I
created
a
category.
If
you
want
to
open
an
issue
and
put
it
in
there
like
just
a
separate
Milestone
like
one
Milestone
to
track
through
Feb
28
and
then
the
next
Milestone
for
the
next
one.
So
if
you
create
an
issue
like
specifically
about
the
website
or
something
like
that,
you
can
just
tag
it
into
that.
Okay,.
B
I'll,
do
that
right
now
actually,
and
it's
in
the
app
delivery,
repo
right
yeah,
my.
A
A
Yeah,
so
let's
1003,
sometimes
we
get
more
people.
Sometimes
we
get
less
so
I
think
I
would
say:
let's
go
ahead
and
just
get
started.
A
So
the
agenda
here
I'll
just
I'm,
just
going
to
walk
through
the
agenda,
which
is
you
know,
just
to
review
where
we're
at
with
Ouija
work.
First
is
the
Milestone,
so
it
looks
like
well.
We
have
me
and
Colin
who
have
signed
up
for
to
to
own
a
section
or
Kong.
Do
you
actually
own
a
section
and
oh
yeah?
You
do.
A
B
There's
been
a
lot
of
good
discussion
there,
it's
kind
of
been
sit
back
and
watch
a
little
bit
of
it.
He
gets
moving
in
the
right
direction.
A
lot
of
the
conversation
has
kind
of
fleshed
out
other
areas
where
things
should
belong
or
be.
That
makes
sense
like
this
particular
thing
doesn't
belong
in
the.
What
is
a
platform
section,
but
please,
please
move
this
elsewhere.
A
Yeah,
that's
right,
Leon
who's,
not
here,
but
she's,
moving
the
the
capability
provider
stuff
further
on.
So
that's
good
and
actually
I
I
put
in
a
hot
topic
that
I
saw
come
up
there.
So
I'll
mention
it.
We
are.
It
was
Thomas
who
I
actually
reached
I
want
to
and
I'll
tell
you
in
a
minute,
but
he
he
brought
up
like.
Are
we
causing
consternation
by
not
having
an
adjective
and
I
said
like
this?
Is
a
bike
shedding
moment?
A
We
don't
want
to
go
too
far
on
it,
but
I
did
I
did
I
do
like
the
idea
of
like
saying
it's
a
platform
for
cloud
native
application.
Delivery
I
did
so
I
did
at
so
that
was
a
discussion
there.
That
was
kind
of
our.
It
seemed
like
most
I
mean
Thomas
was
happy
with
that.
A
couple
other
people
chatting
the
scene,
so
it
did
in
the
last
PR
kind
of
add
that
blurb
I
think
called
a
cloud
platform
or
developer
platform
or
an
app
platform
or
a
delivery
platform.
A
All
the
different
suggestions
that
have
come
along,
but
this
is
just
literally
copying
our
Ouija
name,
so
I
thought.
Maybe
it
would,
you
know
Cloud
native
application.
Delivery
is
really
what
we
do
so
yeah
I
guess
you
know
we
don't
have
to
talk
about
it
now,
but
you
know
chime
in
on
that
thread
or
on
the
pr
where
I
did
kind
of
use.
That
phrasing.
B
Yeah
and
I
think
one
of
the
I
might
I
might
actually
reference
it
and
comment
back
in
make
sure
it's
highlighted
in
here.
B
One
thing
that
I'm
trying
to
do
is
provide
some
continue
to
provide
some
back
pressure
on,
like
this,
isn't
a
definition
of
how
your
product
as
a
platform
should
function
right
that
this
is
talking
about
the
platforms
that
teams
develop
to
work
together
or
like
what
does
the
platform
mean,
and
so
I'm
just
continuing
to
provide
back
pressure
like
it's
great
that
you
want
to
include
your
products
and
how
you
know
how
you
think
it
solves
this
problem.
B
A
B
Yeah,
it
looks
like
you've
referenced
it
in
capabilities
also,
which
is
awesome.
Yeah,
let's
see,
yeah
and
I,
think
it's
cool
I!
Think
it's
great
for
those
things
as
well
like
it
wasn't,
it's
not
an
attack
on
the
products
at
all.
It's
just
one
of
those
everybody's
assembling
different
solutions.
A
A
Yeah
that
makes
sense,
I
did
put
in
that
discussion
here
and
I
put
it
in
here
like
that
is
that
was
that
has
been
a
little
discussion.
Everyone
comes
along
and
says:
let's
add
my
product:
let's
have
mine
and
I.
You
know
we
can't
let
it
get
too
far.
So
that's
why
I
kind
of
been
thinking
I
wanted
to
break
it
up
with
everyone
and
I'm
gonna
put
it
explicitly
in
something
soon,
but
only
cncf
projects
like
since
the
purpose
is
not
to
be
thorough,
but
we
should
add
a
note
to
that.
A
Well,
what
do
you
mean
by
this
well
take
a
look
at
these
projects
to
give
you
an
idea,
so
maybe
we
can
get
away
with
that
and
then
I
I
definitely
like
I
mean
all
the
other
open
source
I
mean
I,
think
of
hashicor,
stuff,
terraform
and
Pull
and
Vault
I
mean
those
stuff
are
very
relevant
other
like
open
source
projects
that
are
not
cncf
like
when
we,
when
we
dive
into
these
and
say:
oh
well,
you
got
graphics
and
score
and
cosplaying
and
they're
all
doing
something
similar.
A
Like
we
should
bring
them
all
in
the
craftix
and
Abby's
not
here,
but
that's
all
that's
not
a
CNC
project
into
a
score
so
like
those
won't
get
listed,
but
when
we
talk
we
need
those
people
involved
so
Aaron
to
you
like
palumi,
let's
talk
about
like
you
know,
how
are
people
using
these
different
tools?
That's
really
what
I
want.
You
know
second
level
like
pollumi,
terraform,
kubernetes,
API
yeah.
Where
do
people
use
different
things,
one
or
the
other?
Is
it
all
together
like
that?
That
would
be
the
next
level.
A
B
B
Be
interesting,
it
just
just
kind
of
random
thing.
If
some
of
these
examples
where
people
are
coming
with
platforms,
if
they
are
using
any
of
these,
some
of
the
technologies
that
are
listed
underneath
the
hood,
it
would
be
kind
of
cool
to
see
how
that
platform
was
assembled
from
some
of
those
other
Technologies
as
an.
B
Of
a
platform
itself
right,
yeah,
and
if,
if
the,
if
those
other
platforms
are
showing.
B
A
Yeah
as
you're
saying
and
I
wrote
this
in
the
notes,
one
of
the
things
I've
been
talking
folks
about
is
like
do
we
want
to
have
pres
project
presentations
here,
but
I
think
what
you
just
said
like
if
somebody
comes
in
and
takes,
brings
a
prototype
platform
and
talks
to
us
about
how
they
put
it
together.
That
would
be
that
would
be
pretty
valuable
to
us.
Yeah,
that's
something
we!
We
might
look
for
yeah.
A
Okay
yeah.
Thank
you.
Aaron
I
see
your
comment
here.
Paloma
would
like
to
work
with
the
cncf
in
the
future,
but
nothing
definite
now.
No
problem,
no
pressure
at
all
like
open
source
is
open
source
just
yeah,
and
it's
not
personal
at
all.
Nodding
I'm
not
putting
gloomy
on
the
list
just
have
to
have
to
put
the
line
somewhere.
A
No
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
it
belongs
there
honestly
it'll
be
like
Rancher
or
something
you
know
they
don't.
Those
are
products
based
on
the
Upstream
projects.
A
B
A
B
A
B
It
just
kind
of
compiles
a
lot
of
that
stuff
together
for
you
and
then
you
can
build
on
top
of
it.
So
it
serves
a
purpose
and
fills
out
part
of
the
overall
whole
of
the
platform,
so
it
almost
it
it
would
almost
serve
as
a
great
example
there
too,
and
you
know
showing
how
openshift
can
serve
that
example
too,
and
then
that
gives
away
a
pathway
for
those
contributors
to
weigh
into
and
participate
in
the
project.
Interesting,
that's.
A
An
interesting
idea
yeah
so
like
and
I,
have
it
on
the
list
to
talk
about
today.
So
this
makes
sense,
publish
prototype
platforms,
I
think
what
I'm
hearing
for
you
Colin
is
like.
Well,
we
could
start
with
you
know:
Cube
ADM
or
cube
spray,
or
something
and
install
kubernetes,
but
it
there
might
also
be
value
in
building
on
k3s
or
Rancher
or
openshift,
or
something
for
users
that
start
there
air
to
build
a
platform.
B
Yeah,
it's
like
where's,
my
crossover
and
all,
and
we
don't
want
to
be.
We
obviously
don't
want
to
be
the
the
cncf
landscape
right.
Everything
kind
of
you
know
leads
back
to
that,
obviously,
but
yeah.
What
what?
How
is
this
a
platform
product
owner
in
your
mindset-
and
you
know
how
did
you
assemble?
It
show
us
under
the
hood
so
that
we
can
learn
from
it
or
choose
to
use
your
product
instead
is
a
great
like
it's
a
great
way
into
that.
B
A
I,
don't
know
if
we
have
any
other
section
leads
here.
There's
me
so
capabilities.
I
have
that
PR
up
we
had
an
interesting
discussion.
I
was
going
to
mention
about
capabilities
versus
features,
and
the
conclusion
is
that
a
capability
is
a
top
level
domain
like
observability
or
data
services,
or
identity
and
features
are
properties
of
that
capability.
So
the
example
that
came
for
me
is
I.
Provide
a
capability
observability,
the
features
it
provides
are
Attract.
It
gathers
logs
it
tracks,
metrics,
it
tracks,
cost
I,
put
cost
and
observability.
A
By
the
way
you
know,
identity
might.
A
Defines
a
workload
identity,
you
know
those
might
be
different
features,
so
I
might
take
a
PR
at
and
adding
a
line
like
that.
It's
it's
not
really
the
place
of
the
paper
for
it,
but
maybe
it's
a
chance
to
set
a
definition.
A
It
might
be
more
appropriate
in
the
in
the
next
level,
deeper
yeah.
That's
really
all
I
want
to
say
and
I
also
wanted
to
say
and
I
know
that
in
case
for
people
watching
the
video
PR's
that's
the
way,
we
should
do
it
and
like
so
here's
one
like
just
a
PR
against
the
platforms,
V1
Alpha
One
branch,
with
edits
that
you
propose
that's
when
that
that
counts
as
final.
So
the
discussion
doesn't
count
for
anything
until
it
was
a
PR.
A
So
yeah,
so
we
just
said
now:
we'd
like
to
perhaps
have
people
demonstrate
prototype
platforms
on
that
then
actually
I'm
going
to
move
it
down
actually
down
here.
So
because
I
think
it's
related,
so
I'll
move
I'm
trying
to
talk
to
folks
and
if
you
I,
don't
know
I'm
meeting
all
of
you
who
had
just
reached
out
and
if
you
have
some
time,
maybe
I,
just
kind
of
interviewing
each
folks
that
are
participating
together.
There
feedback
so
yeah
I'm.
B
I
think
was
it
was
it
Abby
who
mentioned
somebody
mentioned
having
like
an
interview
template
or
there
was
some
other
resources.
Do
you
know?
Have
you
heard
anything
on
that.
B
I
didn't
know
if
somebody
owned
it
I'm
not
raising
my
hand
for
it,
I'm
hoping
somebody
else
who's
better
at
that
stuff.
It
does
it,
but
yeah.
A
A
I
think
it's
still
waiting
for
a
volunteer,
yeah,
I'm
I'm
I
mean
I,
will
I
it's
on
my
backlog,
so
I
will
get
to
it
eventually.
I
just.
B
A
B
And
you
do
you
prefer
to
just
go
ahead
and
like
when
it
comes
to
customers
or
people
implementing
platforms
that
aren't
participants
here,
just
go
ahead
and
start
talking
to
people
and
just
getting
on
calls
for
them.
Or
do
we
want
to
wait
until
there's
content
to
like
a
common
framework
to
use.
A
I
mean
I
am
not
opposed
if
you
like
to
interview
users,
and
you
you
know,
can
gather
information
and
want
to
share
it
with
us,
somehow,
no
problem.
The
reason
I
put
all
structure
is
to
kind
of
just
tell
people
that
you
know
don't
know
or
I
think
the
harder
the
harder
part
for
me
is
actually
getting
the
call
scheduled
and
getting
on
the
call
like
finding
the
people,
so
I
mean
I'm
totally
open,
and
if
you
want
to
you
know
you
could
just
publish
it.
A
You
know
we
could
create
a
folder
in
platforms,
Ouija
location
in
the
GitHub
and
put
like
a
summary
or
synopsis
or
notes,
and
some
metadata
in
there
for
every
interview,
if,
if
they're
open
to
it,
if
they're
interviewee.
B
B
That's
cool,
though
I'll
just
I'll
just
put
some
dealers
out
for
some
of
the
larger
orgs
that
I
can
interact
with
that.
We
can
just
ask
them
about
like
hey,
you
know,
I
just
want
to
talk
about
what
your
motivations
are
and
what
your
definition
of
platform,
business
and
stuff
like
that
yeah.
A
A
Too
nice
yeah,
exactly
that's
perfect,
yeah
and
we'll
iterate
and
go
I
feel
like
the
whole
paper
to
me
is
like
well,
it's
just
agile.
Let's
develop
it
agility
like
V1.
If
we
think
this
is
it,
then
you
know
we
should
learn
from
our
own
software
like
there's
got
to
be
a
V2,
so
let's
get
user
feedback
and
iterate
yeah.
A
Okay,
so
I
wanted
to
go
the
next
thing
in
this
agenda,
so
next
level
this
would
be
so
I
started.
Aaron
I
actually
brought
this
up
in
our
thing
and
Taurus's
proposal
probably
would
go
here.
Also
I
just
want
to
bring
it
up
like
since
Colin
you
shared
the
cncf
maturity
model,
app
like
there's
a
lot.
You
know
if
we're
gonna
use
a
form
like
that,
then
we'll
have
the
opportunity
to
put
on
the
side
like
platform
as
product
as
a
topic
and,
however
we
name
it.
A
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
up
like
for
me,
like
I'm,
still
trying
to
get
this
paper
out
the
door
so,
like
you
know,
I'm,
not
necessarily
going
to
the
next
level
yet,
but
like.
Let's
think
about
that,
you
know
as
Colin
as
you
work
on
that
you
know.
Maybe
we
can
learn
trying.
B
A
A
Okay,
jumping
down
the
list,
I
guess
kind
of
last
one
is
Mauricio
at
salaboy
is
back
and
he
wants
to
contribute
help
out.
So
he
wants
to
donate
his
his
Cloud
platform
prototype
to
us
or
talk
with
us
about
using
it.
A
I
started
a
list
oh
and
Raphael.
You'll
see
yours
is
in
here
a
list
of
prototype.
You
know
Cloud
platform
prototypes
just
for
my
own
sake
to
kind
of
like
get
a
sense
of
what's
out
there,
I
don't
know
if
we
I
can
ask
Mauricio
we're
meeting
on
Thursday
at
eight
o'clock
Chicago
time,
so
that's
1400
UTC.
A
So
if
you
want
to
come
and
join
it's
just
me
Leon
and
whoever
was
on
that
thread.
It
was
a
thread
in
the
in
the
Ouija
Platforms.
In
fact,
let
me
paste
that
in
so
so
that
people
know
about
it.
This
one
copy
link.
A
B
Yeah,
so
that
would
be
nine
o'clock
for
me,
which
time.
A
A
Okay,
I
guess
we'll
see
how
that
how
that
goes,
yeah
I'm
sure
we
all
have
ideas
on
you
know
what
we
want
to
do.
There.
A
I'm
gonna
write
down,
make
a
meeting
Thursday
1400
UTC
the
threats.
If
anybody
else
wants
to
join
us.
A
A
We're
just
trying
to
gather
feedback
and
interview
platform
Builders.
If
anybody
wants
to
you
know,
get
started
going
on
that.
There's
the
you
know
the
issue
template
if
you
want
to
work
from
there.
If
you
just
want
to
go
interview,
people,
let
us
know
no
problem,
I'm
trying
to
reach
out
to
people.
If
you
have
a
half
hour,
you
know-
and
we
overlap
you
know
just
to-
and
you
feel
like
you
know-
and
you're
open
to
giving
me
feedback
and
that
I'm
I'm
meeting
with
folks
too
yeah.
That's
really
good.
B
Yeah
quick
question-
and
this
is
this-
is
just
for
me
for
not
having
been
super
involved
with
some
of
the
other
stuff.
So
cubecon
is
there
stuff
that,
like
we
work
towards
with
scheduling
for
kubecon,
or
is
there
like
going
to
be
a
like
a
Monday
event
or
meet
up
I'm,
just
I'm
I'm
I
will
be
there
capacon
EU,
but
I'm
just
kind
of
getting
athletic
game
and
I,
don't
know
if
it
I'm
just
getting
in
line
with
with
the
Milestones
like.
A
We
should
we
should
so
there
are
a
couple
things,
so
one
is
that
we
submitted
a
talk
with
a
few
of
us
to
do
like
a
panel
on
platforms
we'll
see
if
that
gets
accepted.
We
submitted
Thomas
and
I
submitted
to
do
a
talk
for
Tag,
app
delivery
about
operators
and
platforms
so
see
if
that
gets
accepted.
But
I
would
like
I
mean
the
stuff
we
did
in
kubecon,
North,
America
and
Detroit.
There
were
a
couple
things
we
did.
A
We
had
like
a
tag
meeting
on
the
day
before
for
a
few
hours
where
a
few
maintainers
came
together
and
and
present
it
to
each
other
and
to
find
you
know,
things
were
working
I
think
that
was
pretty
helpful,
and
then
we
had
like
a
an
hour
kind
of
on
Meetup
at
the
red
hat
booth.
A
I,
haven't
heard
from
the
tag
leads
anything
about
some
sort
of
pre-day
I.
Guess
they
I
think
that
they've
DM
they've
kind
there
were
so
many
in
Detroit
I
think
they
wanted
a
little
bit
fewer
I
mean
I'm,
not
opposed
I
I
benefit
from
I'd
love
to
do
something.
You
know
it's
just
yeah,
I
guess.
If
there's
interest
we
can,
we
can
try
to
figure
it
out.
You
know
I.
Guess
first
thing
is:
do
we
want
to
do
something
before
or
during?
A
We
should
definitely
at
least
do
something
where
we
get
together
for
a
couple
hours.
Even
if
it's
just
a
project
meeting
I'll.
B
A
A
So
maybe
I
haven't
heard
from
them
this
time,
so
I'm,
almost
thinking
like
they're,
not
gonna,
do
it,
but
if
we
want
to,
we
can
I
I
kind
of
lean
to
doing
something
during
the
event,
although
I
don't
want
to
take
away
from
from
other
things,.
B
B
To
get
some
interview,
stuff
is
line
up
a
panel
of
even
people
implementing
your
prototype
platforms
or
platforms
themselves
seek.