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From YouTube: CNCF TOC Meeting - 2019-01-15
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B
Don't
know
if,
like
like
me,
you've
done
much
work
over
the
last
few
weeks.
I've
come
back
and
it's
mostly
been
wading
through
my
emails,
so
I
think
we
mean
we
may
not
have
moved
a
great
deal
forward
from
where
we
were
in
the
last
TI
sequel,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
some
people
have
been
trying
to
work
on
the
six
document,
the
categories
document
as
best
we
can
we'll
talk
about
that
today.
Taylor.
Could
you
start
taking
us
through
the
deck?
Please.
B
A
Okay,
yeah
yeah,
just
a
quick
reminder:
CFP
closes
for
Cuba
on
Europe
this
Friday,
so
get
all
your
submissions
in
and
we'll
hopefully
see
a
lot
of
you
in
Barcelona
and
late
May
other
than
that
we
are
doing
events
in
China
and
North
America
later
with
the
dates
and
look
for
some
news
from
us
on
kind
of
kubernetes
days
and
cloud
native
days.
Events
in
the
near
future
so.
B
The
day's
events
as
I
understand
it,
trying
to
open
up
to
you
a
different
way
of
having
a
conference,
which
is
more
like
a
community
conference.
If
you
like
what
like
the
everyday
day,
one
here
comes,
like
a
few
years
ago,
couple
last
little
community
a
little
bit
more
regional
support,
less
fewer
air
miles.
That's.
A
B
B
A
B
The
model
can
be
anything
from
you
know:
CN
CF,
do
a
lot
of
the
work
to
community
to
the
love
of
the
work
and
CN
CF
provides
quote-unquote
behind-the-scenes
help
so
that
you
know
you
can
get
some
of
the
administrative
stuff
done
back
off
the
lake.
It's
really
a
range
of
models
work,
but
we
want
the
community
to
be.
E
D
I
think
that's
that's
an
excellent
idea
and
then
maybe
we
go
through
on
any
outgoing
toc
members
in
particular,
can
can
give
them
an
explicit
opportunity
to
reflect
on
yeah
I.
Think
it's
perfect
I'd,
like
oh
I,
think
it'd
be
a
good
idea
to
get
something
in
writing
as
well
and
get
it
kind
of
a
tradition
of
doing
that.
So
we
can
hopefully
accumulate
some
wisdom,
man.
Oh
we
didn't
we.
We
we've
got
potentially
a
lot
of
turnover
coming
up.
So
hopefully
this
is
not
a
problem
that
we're
gonna
have
going
forward.
D
A
B
What
happens
here
is
that
we
had
a
face-to-face
meeting
about
this
document
at
Kubek
on
several
people
have
volunteered
to
help
work
on.
It
are
indeed
doing
so,
including
Aryan
from
Red
Hat
/,
the
other
company
Matt
Farina,
who
is
well
known
for
its
work
of
helm,
Quinn
sin
from
Huawei
I
think
Brian,
you
couldn't
make
it.
There
are
a
few
other
folks
and
Alex
from
storage
is
another
one
springing
to
mind.
The
work
that
we
are
doing
is
still
in
the
main
dock
and
it's
still
honestly
a
bit
of
a
mess.
B
Also
Sarah
was
there
as
well.
We
are
trying,
however,
to
be
quite
focused
in
terms
of
delivering
an
updated
document
for
you
to
review.
So
do
we
have
Quinton
on
the
called
to
Alex
on
the
operating
model?
Do
you
want
to
just
say
a
few
words
about
what
you've
done
so
far,
and
what
you
want
to
do
next
is
to
get
that
section:
cleaned
up.
F
Sure
it's
it's
ax
here,
so
I
just
posted
a
link
to
an
updated
copy
of
the
document
just
to
which,
which
I
made
just
to
make
it
a
little
easier
to
do
edits
and
I
just
changed
the
operating
model
contents
there
and
it
reflects
some
of
the
discussion
we
had
in
the
face-to-face
and
in
Seattle
and
kind
of
locks
in
a
bit
more
detail
around
the
membership
of
the
proposed
SIG's,
their
roles,
how
the
different
roles
get
elected
and
also
like
I,
put
in
a
special
section
around
retirements.
F
B
G
I'm
here
and
I
think
Matt's
here
as
well.
I'm
matt
put
in
the
bulk
of
the
work
I
don't
want
to
take
much
credit
for
it.
I
just
did
a
lot
of
the
review.
I
think
it's
a
good
start,
I
think
maybe
Matt
and
I
need
to
meet
and
go
through
it
together
to
see
what
portions
are
missing
or
get
some
feedback
Matt.
You
want
to
expand
on
that.
E
Sure
I
mean
if
you
read
the
doc.
The
goal
is
to
try
to
be
rather
explicit
in
what
needed
to
the
kinds
of
things,
along
with
examples,
just
to
try
to
help
folks
understand
in
a
broke
the
difference
time
between
white
papers
roadmaps
and
tried
to
look
at
what
would
be
useful
outputs
for
whom,
in
that
I
would
appreciate
feedback
on
it.
E
If
anybody
says
well,
I'm,
not
sure
why
or
how
as
well,
because
of
course,
whatever's
in
my
or
somebody
else's
head
may
not
always
convey
real
well
to
somebody
on
the
other
side
and
getting
that
out.
So
please
do
that,
but
yeah
Erin,
you
and
I
probably
need
to
get
together
for
another
pass
on
this
together.
That's
the
next
step,
yeah.
G
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
a
good
start
outlining
and
I'm,
not
sure
you
mentioned
what
portion
we
were
working
on
Alexis,
but
we're
doing
the
responsibilities
of
the
sig
and
and
what
we
feel
like
our
work
items
that
should
come
out
of
that
interaction
and
how
the
formation,
maybe
in
a
little
bit
of
governance,
of
how
that
works
so
just
to
clarify
to
anyone
else
who
who
is
unclear.
Thank.
B
You
yeah
it's
the
responsibility
section
or,
if
you
like,
also
that
deliverables,
and
one
of
the
things
that
came
out
of
our
discussion
face
to
face
is
that
the
concrete
examples
are
helping
here.
I
think
just
in
Cormac
contributed
an
example
around
security,
enhancing
some
other
people's
suggestions
as
well
and
Sarah
had
some
ideas
there
as
well.
So
you
know
we
do
want
examples
to
bring
this
to
life,
to
convince
people.
This
is
the
right
way
to
go
so
yeah.
B
If
you
want
to
help
Aaron
and
map
on
the
responsibilities
and
deliverables,
please
contact
them
directly
by
email
and
try
and
get
on
a
call
to
keep
improving
that
section.
If
you
want
to
work
on
the
operating
model,
section,
contact,
Alex
and
Quintin
Brian
D
wants
to
do
some
work
on
this
document
as
well,
because
if
you
want
to
be
the
kind
of
overall
editor
to
clean
up
the
sections,
that
would
be
super
helpful,
I
confess
to
being
underwater
with
other
things
at
the
moment.
B
You
I'd
be
really
great
if
you
could
do
that,
you
just
need
somebody
to
kind
of
wade
through
and
delete
stuff,
that's
out
of
date
and
generally
tidy.
It
would
be
super
helpful,
alternatively,
just
create
a
new
one.
Actually,
that's
you
which
way
which
way
around.
Thank
you,
okay.
Anyone
else
have
any
questions
about
this
document.
Anyone
want
to
volunteer
for
anything
anything
else
about
6:00
and
categories.
I
know.
H
I'm
just
wondering
these
documents
are
to
end
up
with
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
comments
in
them,
sometimes
end
up
being
difficult
to
read
and
difficult
to.
You
know,
digest
what's
really
there
and
what's
not,
etc
I'm
wondering
whether
it
isn't
worth
having
just
like
a
a
weekly.
You
know
if
it's
a
half
hour
or
one
hour
thing
until
this
is
done
just
so
that
everybody's
in
the
same
place
and.
H
B
B
A
Yeah,
no,
we
are
just
typical
backlog.
I
think.
Last
time
we
met
before
the
holidays.
There
was
essentially
a
explicit
decision
on
poor
DNS,
graduation
I
believe
John
was
okay
moving
forward,
but
I
don't
think
he's
on
the
call
today.
I
could
be
wrong,
but
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
bring
this
up
the
discussion,
because,
if
we're
okay
with
this
moving
forward,
then
I'll
just
kick
off
the
vote.
Now
that
everyone's
back
from
the
holidays,
yeah.
B
So
other
than
this
graduation,
this
questions
are
about
key
cloak
and
cRIO
of
enum.
For
me,
for
my
part,
I'm
I'm
generally
happy
to
reopen
the
presentations
of
projects.
I
know
that
we
haven't
got
the
saygus
work
done,
but
I
think
that
you
know
the
as
the
TOC
changes
hands.
It's
gonna
be
a
bunch
of
new
people
to
look
at
this
stuff
anyway,
and
I
think
that
we
should
just
get
go.
You've
been
holding
up
the
projects
and
it's
been
frustrating
for
them.
So
unless
anyone
violently
objects,
I
suggest
be
concluded.
B
I
H
I
agree,
thank
you.
Previously,
we
discussed
having
essentially
two
tracks.
We
have
a
presentation,
project
presentation
track
which
we
wanted
to
find
out
about
new
projects.
Presenting
would
go
to
that
and
then
was
sneaking,
which
would
which
word
are
presentations
to
do.
We
want
to
stick
with
that
idea.
H
It
seems
that
they're,
two
separate
things
and
problem
we
had
last
time
was
that
we
ended
up
spending
the
majority
of
the
time
on
presentations
and
didn't
get
any
of
the
other
work
done,
that
the
motivation
was
to
try
and
keep
the
velocity
behind
this
meeting
without
eating
weird
with
purely
presentations.
Just
a
thought.
I
think
we
decided
that
last
time
I
want
to
make
sure
if
we
spoke
with
that
all
have
changed
our.
B
I
I
B
A
H
B
Portfolio
gap
should
should
we
hope
we
addressed
when
we
start
building
up
the
sakes,
they
can
focus
on
that
I.
Think
project
health
is
one
when
the
TOC
does
need
to
attend
to
you,
I'm,
not
sure
what
we
should
be
doing
about
making
that
into
a
structured
effort,
though
any
thoughts.
Anyone
do.
We
have
the
bandwidth
to
look
at
that
and
graduation
and
cigs
I,
don't
know.
H
When
to
think
as
a
short-term,
you
know
for
the
next
couple
of
weeks
to
do
presentations
instead
of
this
meeting
is
fine
but
I
think
there's
a
long-term
strategy.
It
probably
well.
The
new
TAC
can
decide,
but
probably
makes
sense
to
make
sure
that
we
have
enough
time
to
do
all
the
non
project.
Presentation
related
stuff.
Yes,.
B
A
I
A
B
B
So
for
project
house
on
the
list,
Bristol,
UK
and
Shepherd-
it
please
yep
yep
I-
think
the
dashboard
is
is
certainly
a
big
step
forward.
I'm
still
really
really
concerned
that
we're
missing
some
really
important
things.
If
you
go
back
to
the
notes
on
the
TOC
call,
we
had
I
think
it
was
back
in
October
in
the
minutes
that
were
taken.
There's
a
few
notes
of
health
and
people
had
some
fairly
strong
views.
I
think
it
really.
B
It
comes
down
to
being
imaginative
and
variety
and
spending
time
on
it
and
then
also
having
a
high
discipline
in
terms
of
reporting
publicly
back
to
the
TOC
on
this,
for
how
the
projects
are
doing.
I
know
that
you've
been
doing
a
lot
of
stuff
in
the
background,
I
think.
If
you
pushed
on
the
bottoms
of
the
foreground,
it
will
be
good
for
everybody
to
get
into
that
habit.
K
K
K
We
want
to
connect
end
users
with
similar
organizations
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
projects
and
the
end
users
are
communicating
and
have
opportunities
to
connect,
face-to-face
and,
and
the
overall
goal
is
to
ensure
that
end
users,
voices
are
well
represented
and
that,
fundamentally,
these
organizations
are
successful
when
they
were
adopting
cloud
native.
So
I've
got
a
few
slides
to
describe
the
programs
and
then
I'll
open
up
the
only
feedback,
so
the
first
one
to
increase
the
number
of
end-user
talks
at
cube.
K
Con
and
I've
started
offering
individual
feedback
to
some
end
users
on
their
talk
submissions
just
to
make
sure
that
they
cleaned
up
and
nicely
presented.
So
if
you
are
an
end
user,
CN,
CF,
member
and
you're
submitting
a
talk
for
Barcelona,
you
can
get
in
touch
with
me
and
I
can
give
you
a
bit
of
feedback
on
your
talk
submission
before
it
comes
out
next
slide.
K
Next,
please
and
and
user
forums
are
a
way
for
projects
and
the
TOC
to
talk
to
end-users
directly.
This
is
something
that
I'm
going
to
kick
off
in
a
few
weeks
time,
probably
in
February,
and
it
will
replace
the
end
user
monthly
cause
which,
right
now,
their
projects
can
present
end
users.
There
I
want
to
provide
a
more
structured
form
for
projects
and
for
the
TOC
to
explicitly
set
an
agenda
and
ask
questions
of
end
users
if
they
want
to
talk.
So
that's
something
that
I'm
going
to
kick
off
just
to
look
out
for
that.
K
Next
is
a
end-user
partner
summit,
so
this
is
going
to
be
a
pre-event
at
cube,
con
explicitly
for
end-users,
who
are
members
of
the
CN
CF
end-user
community,
plus
a
few
invitees
from
the
TOC
and
project
maintainer
and
ambassadors,
depending
on
what
the
community
is
looking
for.
This
is
another
FYI
that
we
want
to
do
this
so
that
end-users
have
a
place
to
meet,
face,
to
face
and
discuss
the
challenges
they're
facing
and
learn
from
each
other
and
how
to
overcome
those.
K
And
then
the
fifth
one
which
we've
we
started
at
cube,
con
Seattle
was,
is
a
cubic
on
recruiting
booth
for
end-users,
who
are
struggling
to
find
the
right
talent
to
grow
their
organizations.
And
so,
if
you
are
an
end-user
and
you're
interested
in
coming
to
cube
cons
and
you're
looking
for
people
to
hire,
then
the
recruiting
booth
is
something
that
we
want
to
make
sure
as
many
end-users
as
possible
will
take
advantage
of.
E
This
is
Matt
Farina
I
do
have
one
request
when
you
set
up
the
forums
or
other
places,
you
want
the
projects
to
engage
in.
Can
you
email
the
maintainer
lists
for
those
projects
so
that
the
maintainer
zahra,
where
many
of
them
don't
monitor
the
TOC,
call
and
don't
often
come
here,
but
if
they're
directly
emailed
to
their
lists,
many
of
them
are
on
the
list
at
CN,
CF,
dot,
IO
that'll
make
them
aware
of
it.
E
I
know
for
some
of
the
stuff
of
kubernetes
and
hell
more
I
engage
in
we've
been
actually
starting
lately
to
wonder
how
do
we
connect
with
some
of
these
end
user
communities,
and
so
we've
got
folks
who
are
really
interested,
and
so,
if
we
know
something's
coming,
we
can
grab
something
to
put
on
an
agenda
and
start
to
connect
and
talk
through
it.
We'd
really
like
that
opportunity.
Definitely.
K
L
Think
the
end
user
partner
summit
idea
is
great.
That
sounds.
Super
useful
and
I
would
be
very
excited
to
send
people
to
that
or
even
attend
it
myself.
So
I'm
glad
that
definitely
feels
like
a
good
idea.
If
we
can,
if
you
can
get
good
wide
participation
of
you
know,
maybe
you
know
maybe
even
going
a
little
bit
beyond
people
who
are
always
active
in
the
user
community
calls
to
really
getting
good
representation
of
people
that
are
using
all
these
products,
and
you
know
want
to
share
ideas.
One
another
yeah.
K
I'm
really
hoping
that
this
will
be
a
successful
event
and
for
the
moment
it's
going
to
be
restricted
to
members
of
the
CNC,
F
and
user
community,
rather
than
being
open
to
all
end
users
or
being
completely
open.
I'm
going
to
send
around
some
more
information
about
that
and
registration
should
open
in
February
yeah.
L
L
Invite-Only
events,
so
I
definitely
think
that
you,
we
should
think
about
broadly
like
who
are
people
or
not
just
in
the
end
user
community,
but
we
know,
are
kind
of
active
in
the
users
that
we
may
want
to
entice
to
become
more
active,
let's
see
in
CF,
and
you
may
bring
a
lot
of
value
to
an
event
like
this
I
think
you
know,
I
think
that
could
be
a
useful
way
to
extent.
I
am
definitely
not
suggesting
this
to
be
an
open,
invite
or
open.
L
B
B
K
H
And
Camino
I
think
you'll
come.
It
actually
applies
more
broadly
than
than
just
this
case.
I
think
that's
one
of
the
threats
that
we've
sort
of
come
across.
This
is
generally
to
try
and
be
more
of
a
cool
oriented
model,
for
you
know
whether
it's
presenters
at
conferences
or
project,
etc,
is
for
us
to
make
conscious
decisions
about
pulling
in
the
ones
that
we
want,
as
opposed
to
the
whole
sort
of
pay-to-play
model,
which
is
people
who
come
along
with
their
money
and
use
the
CNC
able
to
promote
whatever
it
is
that
they
want
commercial.