Cloud Native Computing Foundation Technical Oversight Committee, 12 Sep 2023

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CNCF TOC Meeting 2023-09-12

A

All right welcome to September 12th sandbox review meeting with Toc and tag chairs, Ricardo passing to you.

B

Yeah so welcome everyone. So um today we have 10 projects to to review 10 submissions to sandbox. um You can get started already. um The first.

C

B

B

This is a tool to uh patch vulnerabilities in containers in kind of a special way for the patches are done directly in container images.

B

According to the vulnerabilities of tools like trivia um and I, think, the main feature is that they are passed without having to go through upstream and the full reveals. So I don't know. If anyone had a look into this project and has comments.

D

I can start um so I I spent a little bit of time going through this, because I feel, like we've talked about this one before or I know, I've seen it before. um It is solving an existing problem. There, the they talk about it, either within the application or somewhere on one of the documentations or sites. Most organizations are having a lot of trouble, keeping up with updates to production because they haven't quite streamlined their build pipeline to do uh deployments in a more automated fashion, particularly for security uh fixes.

D

So it's it's nice and that it's solving that problem. It can function as an SLA stop Gap.

D

My only concern- and this is something that I think- that the project is going to have to figure out how to strike this nice balance is how do we avoid codifying anti-patterns, because realistically, we want organizations to be improving their build pipelines so that they can automate their deployments in a much faster way, and this provides them a different mechanism for managing that um so I I think that would be the only concern that I have I also noticed that while they currently support trivia, they don't have any other scanners that I could come across within the repository that they're actively integrated with, but they do have plans to support this um sarif format in the future, which most scanners I believe provide outputs into.

D

But it's unclear from the existing documentation that I was able to come across how all of that actually is intending to work together in the future.

B

All right there was also um there was a presentation to uh tax security. The recording is here, I, don't know if anyone attended that and has more feedback.

D

I watched it it they seem to be like they know the problem space fairly well and I think that they're ER they're early in solving the problem, but not too early so I think they. They are a good candidate for experimentation within the ecosystem.

B

All right, so, if no one has any more feedback, I guess we'll put it for about, is that correct sounds.

D

Good, we do votes after the call, so we do most of the discussions here.

B

D

Then Amy will graciously open everything at the end, but.

A

You can tell me, which ones you actually wanted.

B

A

One you've told me you want to vote on well done, correct.

B

That's what I meant just open it up cool. Thank you first is done so the next one is the logging operator. So there is a also something particular in here, which is, um it seems to be managing uh more complex um or targeting more complex configurations of inputs, outputs for logs and routing.

B

um They have also presented presented to uh tag observability if I'm not or they will present I, couldn't find that I actually checked in the in the agenda and then put it here. Click but I, don't think there's any any. Apart from the slides that are linked, I couldn't find any kind of uh notes that I might have been taking about it. I don't know if anyone has more information.

B

Oh yeah, no okay, I'm mixing up so there's actually some some now. This is just yeah.

C

B

Don't think they we had more notes about the presentation.

B

Maybe someone from absurd abilities here.

B

B

Any thoughts on this one.

E

It seems pretty mature and well supported, so um seems quite and has a lot of different Integrations seems quite quite subscribed, but.

D

Yeah I agree with Justin I'm, actually kind of curious. Why I apply it sandbox instead of incubation, since it's been around for a while, it seems to have some adopters.

B

F

I think when I was looking, perhaps the question: why not incubation um when I was looking at the contribution seems like there is one main maintainer that kind of prevails throughout time. We don't have so many uh contributions, consistent contributions from other maintain yourself, upload, okay, hmm I'm wondering if I'll put the wrong repository I might have looked at the repository. Please this one.

B

Looks uh like it's extensively.

F

Yeah I think I looked at the Sub sub repository I, looked at the work directly and I clicked on a different repository. So please ignore my comments.

G

I mean it's possible: they just didn't want to do the DD, because it's a lot of work.

B

uh So should we ask them uh if they would consider it and then either if they really want to look for sandbox? First, we open it for a vote. Otherwise we suggest applying directly for incubation.

B

D

Actually kind of inclined to push back a little bit from sandbox, particularly for a project that appears to be as mature as this one is.

D

um We have a lot of projects in the sandbox ecosystem and like based off of recent EOC discussions, we really want to promote more experimentation, more Innovation within sandbox. So if there's an opportunity for us to identify and recognize projects that are more mature have they're a little bit further Beyond I'm curious, whether or not we should start inviting them to apply at incubation. So we can do a little bit more Deep dive analysis on them right.

H

I think I agree with you know. I'm laying on this uh I think you know giving it current. Is diversity of command, Tenors I think it's uh um probably it's a better fit for some boss parties, and then we can see how it goes.

I

There's a number of contributors to affect part of their education.

B

I, didn't get it sorry and it was breaking up a bit of him.

I

Sorry I'm, unfortunately driving but I was asking just a number of contributors affect our desire to pull them in to incubation.

B

A

B

It sounds like it, you know um something to Double Take A due diligence, but it looks okay, but.

F

It says something: perhaps we can help them with throughout the incubation. I think they definitely have potential. um So this is something that we can list as criteria where they can go through the criteria and they need any extra support or anything from the TOC or the tags would be able to help them throughout. um As mentioned I think this is definitely a good candidate to move a level higher, I think yeah. We definitely can suggest that it's it's up to them to to push through the processes. Of course,.

J

Yeah I was going to say that some of these projects uh or project maintainers don't know the whole process. So the first thing they might have seen it just sandbox, but uh I mean we can actually communicate with them and let them know what the process is and guide them through. If they want to go for incubation.

B

All right, so uh Chris also had left a thought that maybe they are just applying for send books to understand better um how an open source project can go bigger, um but I guess the we. We suggest that you apply for integration for now and.

C

Are we are we saying no we're not going to vote on Sandbox we're going to ask them to apply for incubation instead or are we going to say, let's vote on Sandbox and ask them to apply for incubation right away.

D

Oh, that's a good question using the sandbox queue to allow them to go through all the onboarding. That way, it makes that incubation due diligence process a little bit easier. I think that's a good idea.

B

Amy, probably you're also the best team.

A

I think, okay, so.

B

A

Yes, add them to a vote so that, because, like I, know we're interested being able to clear the cues, um if we say Hey look, we think you're actually like ready for incubation.

A

um Let's put it up to a vote if it passes we'll work through them with onboarding and kind of like give them a sense about like what incubation means for them, and then they can decide whether or not they want to apply.

B

Okay cool sounds like a good good time.

A

Voter we can move on.

B

All right, so the next one is uh Kraken, um so this is a chaos, resilience, testing tool for kubernetes, focusing on evaluating performance and their loads and that scale. uh So that's there's a nice picture here of how this works. I have seen this project in the past as well. um I believe they also I know in this case they did not present.

C

B

But I think there was a suggestion here to go for it.

B

um Any million thoughts on this one.

B

There's a nice picture here of how they integrate the different apis.

E

Is this all the repays under Red Hat chaos, so we can.

G

Yeah they should be all in that namespace. Oh, is it all of them.

E

I think we've I'm not sure. If we're we tried to make that question less confusing, but we put or repo URL but.

B

E

So that's it, but it's not it's not really clear to me, which it is whether it's yeah.

B

They do link an additional repo, which is a different um different projects.

G

I, don't yeah I, don't see anything in this GitHub org that would not be considered part of Kraken that would be donated. It looks like they already took out anything that was like tied to Red Hat products.

D

So, looking at the form that we put together for this, um the project repo URL is supposed to be in scope of the application and the additional repos and scope of the application.

D

So that's the additional repos area, the org Revo URL, is provide the the URL of the GitHub or gitlab organization of the projects, if all repos under the Orca and scope of the application, if no organization provide n a so it sounds like we can clean that up to make it a little bit more clear, but just looking at the way we have the instructions written. It sounds like Kraken and Cerberus are the only two that would be in scope, but we should clarify with the project.

B

Did they have any additional ones that put milk beans cooked I? Think that's! That was Justin's question.

E

What well I, just I wish Anna sabras, isn't good in that case, I think it's everything, because they're either about Kraken or Severus or the other ones, I. Think! Oh, no! There's.

E

Only there's other things as well: no I don't know yes,.

G

Three yeah um I'm looking over this everything in that GitHub org is either Kraken or Cerberus um or or a dependency like GitHub actions. For you know um the.

E

um Managed Services deploy.

G

uh That's actually a deployment thing, that's the one thing that um it's actually probably the only thing that uh you know why they left that in there, because right now, it's only openshift. So that would be one that you want to ask the project. Hey. Is this going to support core kubernetes, or are you going to take it out?

G

um It's it's just a set of playbooks set of ansible playbooks. So.

B

It doesn't seem to be very active either.

G

Yeah and it yeah it either could be something that they left in there, because they're planning on making it support core kubernetes, but they haven't finished yet or it's something that was left in there by mistake when they were actually cleaning it up to separate out. You know just the things that were being contributed and.

B

G

Just have to ask.

B

Yeah and apart from the repos and the org, uh does this sound like something we would say for about uh Cassie go ahead.

H

um So I'm wondering whether they have representatives to the kubernetes community to those six, um because I see that you know um there are some scenarios a kubernetes scenarios. They do not support like the pop Network scenarios, but they support that in openshift, so it's more targeted towards openshift, so I I would like to know what is a communities Community feedback on this project?

H

You know how useful it is and also how good these are like it's a design.

B

All right so I, don't I, don't from from the from what is here I, don't think they have, but I'm not completely sure.

H

Yeah, maybe we can ask them to get some present to the communities community and give some feedback. So we can, you know better, evaluate this. You know there are other. Quite some. You know um chaos or resided resilience, testing toward.

K

Testing mechanisms yeah: we can take this on the app delivery side to have them present. I think I did not get present and there's always a little dedicated chaos working group uh that wasn't what Josh was proposing, but let's ask them to present there and we will then share feedback after we have a recording so.

B

I'll, always you will, you will drop them uh message here in the.

K

Game yes, well, I'll. Take this.

B

One thanks all right, I see Amy already took notes, so we can move to the next one, which is canister. So as far as I understand, this is quite known um as a as a project.

B

uh It's uh focusing on data protection or in at least my knowledge is more on the backup on the recovery side of things um and it's very similar to projects like Valero.

I

B

Well, uh one thing that I would highlight is that they mentioned here some presentations, so they actually mentioned their presentation from the column of mind. So we know this project quite well and yeah. They describe it as I think it's what resting does with Valero.

B

um They have similar tools that don't do the one brother is doing basically the same space, so I see Kathy uh at the end up.

B

Right sorry, Emily go ahead.

D

Yeah so I had a question about this one. Is it really data protection or is it more data management with some security features added in that that's what I couldn't get specific clarification on when I was going over the project documentation, it seems like it's. It's primarily uh proper data management with a little bit of some of those features, sprinkled in, but not specifically focused on data protection and Cloud architectures.

D

L

Abuse canister before um and.

L

um The best way of describing it is it's: it's provides workflows for different stateful workloads to allow you to do things like um creating databases, and things like that before you actually do snapshots and backups. So it's not actually the isn't. Actually The Backup Tool It's the tool that you use with your Backup Tool to safely backup your databases, kind of thing. It's it's for more complex, backups,.

B

Yeah, you are in muted.

B

Right so we we use it as exactly that to Define policies for backup and restore um based on PVCs and uh and automating that and then the actual Backup Tool and copy. So it's using this copier tool, I, don't remember exactly if copia is part of canister or if it's just using internet. For me, it's not another.

M

Okay is another open source project that Anniston is using uh actually will always also using copiano. So.

B

J

B

It's in the same space as well.

M

Yeah yeah: that's why I asked them to put together the comparison table. They'll be helpful, um I mean in general. I do think this is a great candidate, uh GPA sandbox project in cncf uh I. Just there are some comments that I still want them to address, but but it's uh I do not have objections for them, too, become a Sandbox project.

L

I do know it's used in production in a number of large organizations.

B

Okay, so it seems like it goes for a boat as well.

A

Objections, I will take that and we can move on.

B

All right, the next one is kcp, which is uh for managing control planes uh of coordinates, customers, I, guess.

B

um And they mentioned uh also management of Publications.

B

um Other parts of the infrastructure and specifically h18.

B

B

So it seems to be like a sort of API building on Governors apis to manage additional things that are not just containers.

B

I'm gonna check again. If there was okay, there's quite a lot of follow-up here, it's just a check.

G

um Kcp is actually a multi-cluster solution.

G

um It's a way of maintaining a meta cluster that controls other kubernetes clusters. The CP stands for control plane.

G

um It does this somehow using crds um I did attend Stefan's presentation on it, but I don't really understand the architecture, um but but that is the intent of the tool and it's had yeah this point over a year of development, um possibly a little bit more than that um the I'm actually probably closer to two years of development. So.

I

H

Yeah I see that it is like um this project, virtualized the control plan and not just virtualize. You know the um the OS or the um the resources it virtualizes the kubernetes control plan, and then it provides you know across. um Like you know, um jar sets. You know, multicaster management, that is logical clusters, not really okay, yeah. It's particle clusters, I think it's interesting, um but I I, but it didn't say very clearly. What is the um you know?

H

The the benefit of this you know compare with other um Solutions because there are other Solutions. That's doing you know across logic, logical clusters, management. It doesn't say that very clearly.

G

And understand that the goal of kcp was to be a little bit more tightly integrated with kubernetes mechanisms um that is to to work through aggregated apis in the crd mechanism in order to supply multi-cluster functionality. Rather than doing so through a more external tool like ocm or crossplay.

G

um uh But I I haven't seen a detailed comparison either. Stefan's presentation did not really compare it to other genes.

B

So I think Ricardo, you have the hand range as well.

J

Yeah they had a presentation in tag runtime and um the project is pretty extensive. uh Yeah I think the the control plane is actually meant to manage other things than I mean besides kubernetes, they can manage other things, uh but I think that's more on the roadmap. It's not quite uh there. So right now, I think the basic example is managing kubernetes clusters, uh but then they're using kubernetes resources uh on top of that and I think longer. Term goal is also to manage some other resources that are not necessarily part of kubernetes.

J

uh So you can manage things like um nodes or or other types of clusters or other types of cloud native resources, but that's not actually uh implemented yet as far as I know, uh but yeah, it is pretty extensive, uh mainly backed by VMware or maintainer. Some part of VMware, so I mean for sandbox, is okay, but I mean something that in the future um they might want to look for maintainer diversity if they want to go for, like incubation or further.

B

All right, Emily.

D

um So completely agree with everything that Ricardo said. It definitely sounds like the project has a lot of high aspirations um for making giving that kubernetes. Like experience in other infrastructure, the key color that I want to mention here and I. Don't know that we'd necessarily talked about it is they do have a slight focus on multi-tenancy, which we don't have a ton of projects that that create a framework for multi-tenancy to be done by organizations or even service providers in a comprehensive fashion.

D

So this would be one of those new additions and, in particular, if the project can pull off um being that control plane across multiple different uh workspaces environments. To give that kubernetes, like experience, we could potentially see more adoption of cloud native Technologies outside of traditional kubernetes deployments.

B

Sure it might be also in the area of the purchase like carbonzag cluster and manage game spaces as well under Target clusters, yep, so I think we open about doing this. One is that correct, Amy.

A

Josh has a comment and I don't think.

G

I'm actually finished.

A

Oh there we go okay, well,.

G

I can I can actually say just so. You know for history this.

G

um uh This was originally a red hat project um and um the main work on it has moved elsewhere, and that's one of their reasons for applying to the cncf is that they really want it to be owned by the foundation, because I think there might still be pieces of it that that red hat owns in a legal sense, which we will, of course, donate um the, um uh but um putting my red hat Hospital hat on. Instead of my tag, CS hat um the, um but just so that you know the history there.

B

A

Right. Thank you. Moving on.

B

So the next one is was mock, server and I'll, just open the repo, because this doesn't look like it's uh I, don't know if you went a bit deeper, but this looks like a bit early.

B

G

I I realize I'm talking a lot here, but um the maintainer of this project, maintainer singular, um uh was that wasn't con last week um and I met with him.

G

um It's a desktop testing tool for um uh wasm for webassembly Server site code, um the, um but it does have just the single maintainer.

E

Just nine commits.

B

E

Think I think in.

B

The past for this kind of projects, we gave a message to try to build at least a minimal community and then come back or I.

G

Mean based on meeting with him I think that would be reasonable, um he's basically a uh QE who built this tool for his own use, and it's you know looking for a home for it, because it's not his main job to maintain this tool.

D

I think this might be a good candidate to shift over into the waslam working group. Yeah Leah, that's exactly where I was going. um I would recommend still too early uh definitely worth getting them connected with the wasm working group, because I think that there are a lot of interested individuals who might find this useful um and potentially help Drive some of the contributions that way and then once they get a little bit more mature and robust and have been around longer reapplying at a later date.

B

I think they did I um Eddie posted the link. There yeah go ahead, yeah.

F

They did present to the the was American group they are connected. I'm chasing is great, um it's early stages. This is it like I know it needs a home, but perhaps just being open source and inviting contributors might be the first good step and then perhaps they can come back. I do appreciate the the project being very ambitious early days. I think that's a very good kind of mindset to approach the cncf and understand the processes and and be part of some books, but hopefully they'll grow a bit more within the next couple of months.

B

Yep sounds good, so thanks Amy move to the next one.

B

That's copian: it's pronounced like this and um yeah, so this is also on the management of uh additional kubernetes clusters, but relying on a group spray.

B

uh So it's kind of in the same area of what we mentioned earlier with PCP I guess I will just check because I don't know right now. It's still really presented with students. So any comments.

J

So they did present in tag runtime, uh I I think it's uh good for incubation uh fairly mature for that. For that level, it's a little bit different from uh kcp, where kcp is more like a control plane at a higher level.

J

Cubine is more of a cluster deployment creation tool, so it actually creates uh kubernetes clusters and or Fleet of kubernetes clusters, and it helps manage them. They rely heavily on Cube spray, which is another open source project.

B

F good artwork so sure.

B

Other comments.

E

Is there any other any reason why I couldn't be a keep Spray Pro project rather than independent project? If it's so tightly coupled.

J

Well, right now they say that they support only Cube spray, but maybe any future devices or something else, but I mean it's something that we can bring up to them like. If they don't, then they might be good to just work with the cube spray Community, instead of uh you know, having some separating if they're they're only going to support Cube spray.

J

But yeah so that question actually came up in the in the meeting and they all they said that they only support Q spray. At the moment.

B

All right, so there are some value added uh in the sense that they actually manage the deployment of the remote clusters. There is uh some overlap with other projects that manage control plane like kcp and karmada, and there is a question here asking um to compare this to Cluster API, which has a.

B

Extensive answer here so.

B

What's the suggestion here we go back and ask them to contact group spray and try to clarify this, or we suggest that I mean for votes.

B

Simi card when needed.

J

Yeah I think uh yeah. It might be a good idea to go back and ask them whether they're going to support something else rather than Cube spray and if not, then open up open it up uh to see if they want to work with their community, but yeah yeah I mean it's also open to what other folks um suggestions have here too.

D

I think it's entirely reasonable to send them back to have a meaningful discussion with Cube spray um to understand a little bit more about whether or not they should be hummed with them and that they they align really well and they're just another capability and within that project or if they're planning on supporting more beyond that, because once they once they Branch out of just Cube spray, then I think it's more applicable um to a lot more adopters.

B

Okay, so we asked them to clarify that essentially, contact groups, pray and discuss this a bit further and then come back to us.

J

What question does anybody know if Q spray is or it's a cscf project, or is it under the kubernetes, Community or I'm, not really sure.

E

It's on the kubernetes.

J

Okay, so it's already.

E

J

Yeah with the kubernetes community, so so one one option is just to go back and work with the kubernetes community, together with Cube spray sounds.

B

B

Okay, thank you. So we move to the next one, which is KCl, which is uh description, is constraint, based record and functional line, language and tools, primarily utilized in Cloud native configurations and policy scenarios.

B

So I didn't completely get uh what the goal here was so feel free to to jump in, but uh it seems to be like some sort of abstraction language for uh definitely policies and relationships.

G

From what I can tell it's a DCL for managing kubernetes clusters, kind of like uh ballerina, um is, if you know that commercial product.

J

Yeah is it kind of like uh pollumi or something or ballerina? Is it's kind of like a.

G

Language yeah, although palumi goes well beyond kubernetes clusters, so um the um is like palumi's a got a management language for all kinds of things. um Kcl is strictly um kubernetes clusters, um well kubernetes and a few other tools like Argo, but things on top of kubernetes.

B

All right, it seems to be uh sort of have a significant uh hostility and support, and that I'm not sure from from what you were saying it doesn't seem like. There are many projects in this area. Is that correct? Yes,.

G

I don't know um I I haven't really looked for them.

B

And there are also they've presented that tag um you know list is Nikita.

C

B

Wanted to thank her for bringing uh basically in all the tickets asking for presentations that this seems to be very effective.

B

B

And the conclusion from seems to be that it's a good fix fit for cncf sandbox, so I guess um it's a good good recommendation here.

B

You open programs all right, captured.

A

Them for a vote moving on.

B

So there's a question from Leo about when should purchase like this be put on a kubernetes or a cncf yeah, it's a good question. um Anyone wants to know something.

D

I think it depends unfortunately, like that, that's the short answer. um It really depends on the project, what it's trying to accomplish, whether or not it's a supporting mechanism for kubernetes or whether or not it's like its own independent project and I. Think that is like into Josh's point with kubernetes accepted. So it's unfortunately kind of do this weird back and forth with some projects and trying to figure out where they go, but it's really dependent on their scope and what it is that they're trying to accomplish.

B

Yeah, that's awesome uh left a comments. Saying uh part of the question is: if kubernetes would actually accept it. It's also a good point.

B

I see Cassie and ricardoir on YouTube.

H

So um party, the goal is to simplify some configurations and some apis for managing the kubernetes um they're. You know they are other apologies. Try to do this so I, don't know whether um it's really I haven't dived into detail. How good it is. Has this been presented to any pack or an or to the kubernetes API sick? You know so that they know um yeah, that whether this is a you know that this design is good.

H

Or how useful it is. My question basically is Right looks like it's. Trying to abstract um more I mean have more abstraction away from the infrastructure and provide more um at level. You know configuration apis to do that. I think the goal is to try to simplify that on those things, but how good it is.

B

C

Right so I think we.

B

Have two two options here: either: there's a recommendation here from the tag to include it in the sandbox and uh there's also the possibility of asking them to contact kubernetes First to clarify if this is fits in the abstract organization.

H

I still get some feedback from the kubernetes community would be good.

J

Yeah, it sounds good to me. I think, there's also a little bit of overlap with the Oppa here open policy agent, so um maybe how I mean because it talks about policies right so and how to manage policies so that a good question will be how different it is from that or is it the same, or um is it just for kubernetes or is it trying to do more?

J

uh Besides kubernetes, like not, you know like other types of policies, uh maybe policies or Cloud native environments, all right so.

B

um I just also left the comments about early kubernetes, it's not connecting if there's a sub-project, so maybe we open for a vote and leave uh uh anyway uh notes that they should reach out to kubernetes to clarify this in any case. Does that sound, reasonable? Okay.

A

I would be able to clarify.

B

uh If this is a fit as a combination, project argument.

A

uh We've already opened them for a vote for a.

B

Sample project.

A

I think we leave it there.

B

Okay, so we open for a vote.

A

Okay, open for a vote, we'll see what happens time check. We've got 15 minutes, moving on and.

B

We only have two left, so it should be. Okay,.

B

I

B

It says it's: a quality of service um scheduling, system bringing optimal layout and status to workloads such as microservice web services and big data jobs. So, in this case actually well having a look, um it did feel like there's a lot of overlap with the scheduling scheduler of kubernetes, although it introduces Notions like Collective service, so.

F

It is interesting.

B

uh If I go down, um I, don't think they. This did this actually happen. Ricardo intact, runtime, the presentation.

J

uh No, no I haven't yet yeah.

J

Oh wait: that's coordinator yeah yeah yeah, it has. It has, but I wasn't able to to yeah to join that meeting. But but you can take a look at the notes and see. If there's we have any.

B

Yeah I checked before also I couldn't see anyone I mean left so I don't know if anyone managed to attend Cassie yeah.

H

I I went through there in their web page and the functionality um I think they they will provide some isolations um for to solve. Some nice enabled problems, um but you know they I think they are the other projects that are doing. This I think it's good to ask them to um consolidate with other work streams um in this area and then come back to I mean to present to come back again. So.

B

I

B

Is is why isn't this in in the kubernetes scheduler I, don't know if HD replied in some place, I couldn't find it, though.

H

Yeah, that's another! That's a good question too um I think because it's closely related to you know the resource guiding.

J

Yes, my suggestion is just to go back uh and talk to the bachelor initiative system working group that we have under attack runtime. It also work with the the batch workload community so and then and then come back and see how they can work together with them right.

A

And Ricardo, can you put the exact name of that in the chat? I know, I, know, there's a bunch of different names for it, and I want to be clear about like which one it actually is. Thank you.

B

The group yeah.

A

The bash working group, because okay.

B

So that's your.

A

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B

Yeah so there's the bus system initiative working group- that's Ricardo, just paste it there and then there's the kubernetes uh batch working group. That is uh part of success. What story.

H

Yeah there's also a community six scheduler, a sick.

B

H

A clause related to that, so they can probably present there too.

A

I'll start with tag runtime, because it's always best to be able to give them one happy to be able to have more comments on the issue as well. So.

B

A

So but I guess the.

B

Decision is to pass them these contacts and ask to come back with more clarifications later all right.

B

And the last one we have is Kairos.

B

So this is a meta Linux distribution to build an immutable, Edge kubernetes and from my quick check with the project, it seems to be relying on build kits to build those Energies for for these different environments, we'll check quickly on.

J

Yeah, this will have a presentation on Thursday and tag run times we haven't presented yet.

B

So should they um move it to the next one after they've presented attack one time you sound reasonable, or do you want to discussing now.

D

I think I would like the recommendation from the tag before moving this one to about. This has a lot of interesting opportunities, but I think having that domain deep dive would be beneficial.

J

Sounds good also.

H

This this product is to build a uh another email for Linux distribution. Is that Linux layer or Linux OS be part of the? um Do? We have any project like this, which is like a Linux distribution.

J

Yeah but there's there's a whole space behind these uh special purpose uh operating systems. So we also we've also created a special purpose operating system working group so that the possibility is also open to work with with that working group, uh but yeah. So there's other projects in that space like um flat car and Talos and I.

J

Think there's some some other specific Linux distributions um that that overlap of this and there's one specific to the edge right so but I think it might be a good idea to hear what they have to say in a presentation. Yeah.

H

Okay sounds great. Thank you. It.

D

Might also be beneficial to have the project present or invite some of the tag security members over um to the project presentation in tag runtime. There are some uh zero touch: uh uh zero trust, kind of Concepts that are being integrated within the project um based off of some of the right papers. I haven't read through them all, but um good idea, probably to cross pollinate between the two tags on this project.

J

Sounds good, we'll we'll advertise and the attack security slack channel so yeah.

D

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A

I think that's it.

B

A

Wraps us up for today, yeah. Thank you very much.