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CNCF TOC Meeting 2021-09-14
A
Good
morning
we
have
made
it
to
the
closed
toc
meeting
where
we
are
reviewing
sandbox
applications.
The
very
first
one
up
is
boomerang
flow
and
I'm
going
to
hold
the
floor
open
for
folks
to
be
able
to
discuss
boomerang
flow.
A
D
My
observation
was
that
I
think
this
was
an
ibm
originated
project
at
some
point,
even
though
they
haven't
mentioned
ibm
anywhere
prominently.
Tyson
was
an
ibm
before
and
he
still
associated
with
the
project.
That
was
the
only
thing
I
could.
D
E
I
think
the
confusion
is
the
maturity
and
yeah
the
roadmap.
G
There
there's
a
road
map-
repo,
oh
yeah,
but
that's
that's
not.
I.
F
D
D
This
is
a
day's
labs
microsoft.
This
is
a
whole
bunch
of
people
working
on
it.
B
B
I
I
Worker's
own
abstraction
of
devices
instead
of
a
age
platform,
so
I
mean
that
this
project
ideally
can
work
with
edge
platform
to
provide
attraction
for
edge
devices.
So
this
is
something
I
can
figure
out
from
their
documentation,
but
I
I
actually
asked
several
maintainers
are,
for
example,
kobe
age,
so
they
mentioned
that
they
do
have
intention
to
have
this
into
integration
with
this
project,
but
still
there
require
a
lot
of
effort,
so
they
still
have
no
plan
to
begin
to
put
effort
to
implement
that.
But
ideally
I
think
that's
the
relationship
of
those
projects.
D
And
I
like
the
write-up
that
we
had,
for
how
is
your
project
aligned
with
the
cloud-native
computing
system?
You
know
that
I
I
like
how
they've
worded
it.
G
Okay,
it
seems
well
defined
and
good
place
to
find
out
how
much
interest
there
is
nothing
else.
It's
too
similar
seems
to
be
available,
seems.
D
The
question
I
had
for
material
viewers
did
they
come
come
to
us
before?
What
did
we
tell
them
earlier?
If
anybody
remembers,
I
think.
B
They
were
missing,
they
were
missing
one
of
the
documents
that
we
require,
either
road
map
or
or
some
or
something
else,
yep.
That's
right.
F
D
Yeah
the
maintenance
wants
to
step
down,
as
in
he's
gone
away.
Basically
so
bringing
it
here
would
definitely
help
and
it
is
being
used
by
a
bunch
of
people
for
sure
so
yeah
I
don't
know
how
many
will
step
up
to
be
maintainers.
B
K
D
They
they
have,
I
believe
they
have
a
set
of
people
that
are
interested
okay,
but
you
know
interest
in
actually
doing
the
work
when
they
hit
cncf
is
slightly
different
right.
So.
E
It
is
not
a
very
it's
a
great
it's
actually
a
great
product,
but
it's
not
a
very
active
project
of
the
contribution.
D
I
can
see
so
I
was
asking
some
people
about
this.
The
other
one
is
the
open,
lb
and
cube
whip
is
in
the
similar
space,
but
definitely
the
the
cappy
folks
for
bare
metal
a
whole
bunch
of
people,
including
red
hat
and
vmware
they're,
using
it
for
using
metal
lb.
D
So
from
that
point
of
view
it
has
adopters.
Now
the
question
is
when
they
hit
cncf,
how
many
of
them
will
actually
help
out
with
maintenance,
stuff.
L
Yeah
my
two
senses
from
everything
I
hear
it
is
a
popular
project
in
terms
of
usage,
but
I
think
I
share
the
same
set
of
concerns
around
adoption,
but
given
kind
of
sandbox,
one
of
the
purposes
to
encourage
more
contribute
contributors
and
allow
folks
to
collaborate.
I
think
I
I
would
give
it
a
thumbs
up.
D
So
I
did
find
the
current
list
of
maintainers.
There
are
four
maintainers
it's
in
in
the
metal
lb
repository
under
code
owners,
so
they
have
four
people
right
now
already
and
they
have
a
dock
that
has
a
you
know
how
what
do
they
look
for
when
adding
new
maintainers
and
removing
old
maintainers,
so
they
have
some
some
of
these
already
set
up.
G
A
D
Dave
for
the
previous
vote.
You
messaged
me.
J
J
For
the
first
vote,
it
really
wanted
to
message
elena,
but
I
caught
that.
A
Okay,
that's
great
all
right!
I
will
just
make
sure
that
I
am
checking
for
you
as
well.
D
For
serverless
devs,
the
main
thing
that
I
saw
was
that
the
whatever
they
are
doing
is
very
specific
to
the
alibaba
platform,
and
not
they
don't
work
on
any
other
public
cloud.
I
don't
know
if
anybody
else
got
that
same.
D
G
I
mean
we've
previously
turned
down
projects
that
don't
run
on
on
an
open
source
back
end
and
only
and
only
run
on
cloud
service,
closed
source
cloud
services
as
a
as
a
kind
of
principle.
E
H
C
D
I
won't
hold
it
against
them
that
their
stuff
is
in
chinese
already,
but
definitely
the
cloud
single
cloud
is
way
more.
You
know
jarring
to
me
than
the
language.
H
D
D
A
D
I
D
Cube
both
q
fed
one
and
two
were
kind
of
like
huawei
projects.
One
you
know
was
really
bad
and
two
was
slightly
better
but
nobody's
taking
care
of
cube
fed
anymore
once
the
huawei
folks
stepped
away.
I
think
you
know
we
are
in
the
process
of
mothballing
it.
The
sig
multi
cluster
is
not
even
looking
at
q
fed
for
the
for
the
longest
time.
So
you
know,
I'm
I'm.
Okay,
with
the
concepts
that
they
had
in
v2
ended
up
in
karmarta
is
what
I
got
from
reading
through.
E
G
F
L
This
is
maybe
a
dumb
question,
but
I
think
in
a
previous
project
there
was
a
question
raised
about
whether
it
should
be
a
kubernetes
subproject.
Is
that
a
consideration
here
or
how
do
we
decide
that.
L
D
The
other
point
here
also
is
the
cubehead
one
and
two
was
mostly
around
like
deploying
and
controlling
clusters,
and
now
they
are
talking
about
way
more
different
things,
rather
than
just
the.
How
do
we
treat
all
multiple
clusters
from
a
single
command
line?
Kind
of
thing.
D
C
This
was
actually
a
common
question
for
for
youtube
already,
which
should
it
be.
D
C
D
C
It
makes
sense
you
are
using
the
q
fed
2
right
ricardo.
We
we
used
v1,
we
tried
v2
and
didn't
really
use
it.
We've
been
looking
around.
A
G
G
It's
a
applica,
you
know
application
developer
framework.
I
mean
there's
a
little
over
looking
at
it
there's
a
little
bit
of
it
does
generate
qpml
files
for
deployment,
but
it's
primarily
developer
focused.
It
mentions
go
micro
as
it's
kind
of
closest,
similar
thing,
which
I've
looked
at
a
little
bit
a
while
back.
G
I
don't
know
I
kind
of
like
cigarettes
to
see.
Let's
get
to
this,
to
perhaps
comment
on
whether
they
think
this
is
the
kind
of
giving
us
a
new
kind
of
thing,
whether
it's
the
kind
of
thing
they
feel
is
appropriate
for.
E
I
Yeah,
of
course,
because
it's
a
framework,
I
also
noticed
something
I
don't
know
if
we
reflect,
if
you
look
at
their
documentation,
they
mentioned
that
the
documentation
is
machine
translated
by
google.
I
B
I
I
B
A
G
Yeah,
so
this
is
a
run
c
compatible
runtime
for
running
in
intel,
sgx,
the
the
a
lot
of
the
code
is
derived
from
run
c,
so
it
kind
of
fits
in
that
I
haven't
lost
it
in
a
lot
of
detail.
G
G
It's
it
is
a.
They
are
having
to
pull
all
the
fixes
for
run,
c's
cves
into
it,
which
is
kind
of
I'm
just
a
bit
concerned
about
their.
H
I
D
So
one
question
I
had
here
is:
what
kind
of
you
know
hardware:
does
it
need
to
run
and
is
it?
You
know
how
how
do
people
stimulate
or
try
or
test
or
build
code
for
this
platform,
or
this
project.
I
Right
so
it
does
not
require
specific.
I
mean
some
spatial
power,
but
it
should
be
as
hardware
support
intel.
I
think
gtx
or
something
like
that.
So
it
exists
in
every
vanilla,
intel,
cpu
server,
but
maybe
not
your
old
question.
Yeah.
G
I
I
Right
machine,
so
it's
not
target
for.
I
don't
think
it's
a
target
for
normal
developers
to
play
base.
It
should
be
some,
you
know
big
platform
or
something
exactly
or
some
bank.
They
have
boring
the
intel
they
have
about.
The
intel,
sgx
supported
machines.
I
G
Right,
except
that
there's
almost
no
cloud
providers
that
provide
access
to
machines
with
sgx.
G
There
might
be
some
early
access
in
microsoft
and
you
can
get
sjx
in
alibaba,
but
you
can't
get
it
anywhere
else.
G
B
G
G
Option
because
that's
I
mean,
and
that
is
everyone's
going
to
wait
for
the
next
generation
yeah.
E
I
Users
are
diverse
from
intel
alibaba,
multiple
companies,
so
I
personally,
my
personal
feeling
of
this
project
is
good.
It
actually
involves
a
lot
of
companies,
including,
I
think,
vmware,
a
lot
of
folks
who
are
working
on
this
era.
I
think
the
only
issue
is
better.
We
believe,
for
example,
intel
interns
technology
is
industry
standard,
or
it's
not
right.
So,
besides
that,
I
think
the
project
itself
is
quite
open
and
have
a
very
straightforward
user
value
to
me.
H
I
I
think
that
is
a
good
sign.
It
means
that
anybody
who's
working
on
this
kind
of
technology
are
for
are
trying
to
work
in
collaboration
trying
to
collaborate
on
this
project.
This
is
a
good
side
to
me,
so
I
think
the
only
issue
is
for
whether
we
want
to
you
know,
adopt
a
project
which
targets
specifically
on
intel
sgx.
J
J
G
Nitro
isn't
actually
in
hard
and
isn't
a
hardware
trusted
execution
environment
per
se
or
well
or
partly
it
is,
but
in
I
think,
mostly
it's
not
an
ncpu
one,
because
it's
not
yeah,
I
am
amd
and
arm.
Obviously,
yeah
arm
is
working
on
this
stuff
as
well
and
they're
all
yeah
they're,
all
currently
independent.
G
G
There
there's
I
mean
the
trusted
computing
foundation,
has
projects
that
abstract
over
them.
J
A
Passes
we
can
move
on,
we've
talked
about
potato
head
and
I
think
I'm
going
to
move
on
so
cloud-based
framework.
C
G
K
K
D
And
I
had
a
question
about
licensing
too:
I
think
their
bsd3,
probably
because
I
don't
know
what
is
postgresql
has
its
own
license
and
the
work
is
based
on
postgres.
G
D
Right
but
the
larger
question
is:
how
does
a
database
fit
into
what
we
are
doing
here.
I
I
think
one
thing
that
I'm
have
concern
is
that
this
project
is
not
as
active
as
a
database
should
be,
it
seems
very
required
in
terms
of
the
committee's
issue.
The
pro
request,
which
I
do
you
have
concerns
things
like
I
I
worry
about
this-
could
be
or
is
maybe
a
you
know,
just
a
project
that
opens
source
code
without
a
very
active
and,
and
you
know,
healthy
community
behind
it.
This
is
one
thing
that
currently
loves
me
most.
B
D
So
I
think
ask
them
to
apply
after
a
year
or
whatever,
because
I
we,
I
guess
we
tell
them
that
we
don't
see
how
they
fit
into
cncf,
specifically
and
if
they
reconsider
some
of
the
things
that
they're
doing
and
maybe
apply
later
yeah.
A
Dim
six
months
is
our
usual
for
being
able
to
reapply.
Is
that,
okay,
with
you.
D
A
Fine,
okay,
we
can
move
on
our
next.
One
is
super
edge.
E
Other
than
that
they
seem
fine
to
me,
you,
you
carried
every
vmware
employee
in
china.
I
bet
that's
where
it's
working.
G
D
In
general,
I'm
supportive
of
all
the
experiments
that
is
going
on
on
the
edge
and
this
I,
like
the
you
know
how
they're
trying
to
do
the
like
api
server
on
the
edge
node
talking
back
to
the
kubernetes
api
server.
D
Okay,
so
this
one,
I
think,
blue
director
was
a
company
that
sorry,
blue
cats
was
a
company
that
got
acquired
by
hpe
and
it
it's
been
within
hpe
for
a
while,
and
now
they
are
trying
to
open
source
it.
That's
the
background
that
I
could
figure
out.
D
I
don't
know
hp,
I
have
you,
know,
they've
done
open
source
and
fits
and
starts,
and
I'm
not
too
sure
about
how
large
their
commitment
to
this
is
going
to
be.
I
guess.
D
Okay,
yeah,
the
other
red
flag
that
I
can
see
is
in
the
contributor
graph.
You
know
the
top
two
or
four
contributors
haven't
done
any
work
for
the
longest
time,
so
it
might
be
in
maintenance
mode
and
they
just
want
a
home.
K
When
we
send
a
sandbox
application
over
to
one
of
the
tags,
oftentimes,
what
I'm
hearing
us
say
is.
We
have
specific
concerns
that
we
would
like
to
have
have
the
tag
help
us
flesh
out.
Do
we
provide
that
level
of
detail
over
to
the
tag
and
say
here's
some
concerns
that
we're
looking
at
or
because
I'm
concerned
that
they
go
and
present
and
if
they
haven't
addressed
the
concerns
that
we're
talking
about
then,
are
we
back
to
square
one
and
they've
done
what
we've
asked
them
to
do
and
now
we're
still
like?
D
So
I
guess
here
the
specific
question
is
like
around
how
much
ongoing
work
and
what
is
the
roadmap,
and
if
this
is
something
that
we
see
fit
well
into,
I
guess
it
fits
well
because
it's
kubernetes,
I
guess
that
would
be
the
answer
we
get.
K
E
I
I
think
something
grow
in
the
infrastructure
industry
and
another
thing
I
have
concern
is:
if
you
look
at
the
github
oak,
I
think
there
is
a
business
company
behind
that,
and
so
I'm
not
sure
if
this
is
actually
their
co-product
or
something
like
that,
since
I
think
there
is
also
a
question
according
to
that
part,
I
don't
know
if
they
answer
this
in
the
submission
part.
D
So
what
they're
saying
is
they
are
running
on
kubernetes
and
they
have
crds
so
technically
they
are,
you
know
they
have
the
12-factor
apps
whatever
and
they
are
able
to
manage,
not
just
kvm
bare
metal
but
also
like.
If
any
of
the
clouds
provide
bare
metal
machines,
then
they
can.
G
And
vmware
vsphere
and
they
have
their
own.
I
right,
I
am
model
and
they
have.
I
mean
it's.
It's
a
lot
of
pieces.
L
Yeah,
it
sounds
like
they're
trying
to
bite
off
a
lot
and
you
know
having,
I
think
one
of
the
areas
they're
talking
about
is
like
object,
storage
and
having
worked
with
a
cozy
project.
That's
trying
to
do
that.
Just
for
object
and
seeing
how
difficult
it
is.
I
kind
of
question
how
viable
it
is
to
tackle
even
more
than
that.
A
A
All
right
we
can
move
on
in
the
last
few
minutes.
Here
we've
got
a
c
plus
workflow.
F
I
I
personally
all
think
that
I
think
we
should
for
now
hold
for
this
kind
of
phoenix
logic.
Workflow,
I'm
not
sure
if
it
actually
alive
is
the
cnc
project,
the
directional
goal.
For
now.
We
may
want
to
discuss
that
about
this.
I
I
so
this
is
actually
another
workflow
workflow
engine
for
developers
to
build
a
phoenix
logic
thing
like
that.
D
A
And
I
think,
being
able
to
say,
hey
reapply
in
six
months
around
being
able
to
show
like
how
this
fits
in
cncf
is
perfectly
fine.
A
And
the
risk
of
being
able
to
do
like
one
more,
we
can
come
back
to
this
one
lagoon.
D
There's
a
open
source
component
and
there
is
stuff
that
is
proprietary
in-house
and
it's
all
mixed
joined
at
the
hip
and
they're
trying
to
separate
it
out
that
that
was
something
that
I
could
gather.
D
A
Right
in
the
interest
of
time,
I
am
not
going
to
try
to
move
us
on.
We
will
pick
up
with
open
elb,
which
is
a
reapplication
in
our
next
meeting.
Two
months
from
now
is
going
to
be
november,
9th,
yes
november
9th,
so
we
will
come
back
to
this
november
9th
and
go
through
the
rest
of
the
list
in
here.
Thank
you
all.
We.