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From YouTube: CNCF Telecom User Group Meeting - 2019-12-16
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A
Let's
go
ahead
and
get
started.
I
had
two
main
questions,
I
wanted
to
ask,
and,
firstly,
we
didn't
get
the
notes
included
from
our
oh.
No,
we
did
yeah
from
the
call
last
time,
which
is
discussion
of
heat
in
Tosca
regarding
cloud
native
network
functions,
but
before
we
dive
in
can
I
just
check
here
so
Leigh
I
appreciate
you
joining
from
where
we
Sweden
interesting
that
we're
not
getting
any
word
from
China
this
time
and.
B
B
A
Great-
and
so
I
guess
I
would,
but
we
have
a
few
more
folks
on
now.
Could
I
just
ask
everyone
to
please
enter
your
info
in
this
Google
Doc
to
sign
in,
for
the
call
so
I
would
love
to
just
have
a
short
discussion
on
the
concept
of
conformance
for
CNF.
So
I've
been
beginning
the
conversations
with
Alec
networking
and
C
NT
T
about
their
plans
and
with
vnfs.
They
are
essentially
confirmed,
demonstrating
soft
or
conformance
against
either
heat
or
Tosca
templates.
A
But
my
impression
is
that
the
heat
part
definitely
doesn't
make
sense
for
CN,
f,
s--
and
even
Tosca
is
a
little
unclear
whether
there's
a
fit
there
or
not,
and
so
I
guess
I
would
love
to
hear
from
anybody
on
the
call
and
maybe
Robbie
would
be
willing
to
speak
up.
First
on
the
question
of
your
thoughts
on
CN,
f,
s--
with
Vodafone,
and
how
you're
looking
at
going
about
conformance
demonstrating
that
they
work
correctly
and
then
also
how
they
will
inter
work
with
other
parts
of
your
network.
C
A
C
C
Language
like
helm,
chart,
for
example,
it
does
not
have
to
be
pure
Tosca
to
be
able
to
define
a
service
that
is
composed
from
CNS
as
only
Tosca
language,
so
it
could
be
any
language
underneath,
but
Oscar
would
be
the
umbrella
language
that
will
define
the
overall
service
in
to
end
and
the
individual
components
it
could
be
other
languages.
This
is
one
way
of
doing
it.
C
The
other
way
is
go
natively
Tosca,
so
everything
is
just
defined
as
Tosca
from
the
get-go,
and
that
will
make
it
simpler
really
to
compare
to
perform,
combines
testing
and
that
will
make
it
more
compatible
with
the
way
we
work
and
ovp.
Now,
as
Vodafone
I,
don't
think
we
have
a
strong
opinion
for
now
how
CNF
should
be
presented,
since
this
is
still
we're
trying
to
figure
out
really
the
right
way
to
do
that,
I.
A
D
A
D
D
We
I
keep
telling
the
nfe
guys
that,
yes,
we
need
to
be
more
container
happy,
but
we
do
have
at
least
one
group
that
is
working
on
containerization
of
a
lot
of
stuff.
So
yeah
there
is.
There
is
definitely
some
some
work
going
internally
and
as
well
as
the
fact
that
we
have
fairly
recently
sort
of
tried
to
shift
our
architectural
focus
on
heading
into
a
cloud
native
world.
C
Personally,
have
not
used
that,
but
we're
looking
at
reading
some
papers
and
articles.
It
seemed
to
me
very
powerful
way
of
doing
it
because
you
could
mix
and
not
just
CNF,
so
you
could
mix
other
technologies
like
PMF,
so
example
within
the
service
definition
or
even
be
enough,
but
that
makes
him
more
flexible
and
in
that
way
person
have
not
used
it
directly
with
CNS,
we
use
the
word
vnf
into
the
phone
bubbling.
The
older
evidence
shows
that
it
provides
some
more
flexibility
and
definition
of
the
network
are.
C
I
do
actually
because
myself
and
market
price
from
Mac
says,
are
we
organizing
the
meeting,
so
the
plan
is
really
yeah.
The
plan
is
in
Prague
to
get
together
a
Jim
Baker
he's
sit
in
opposition
that
we
can
sit
together
and
do
some
brainstorming.
We
would
like
to
have
as
many
Tugg
people
as
possible
contributing
into
a
discussion.
We
know
we
have
a
lot
of
the
our
a
to
folks
from
C
entity
will
be
actively
part
of
that
discussion,
but
yeah.
C
A
Has
a
document
I'm
not
going
to
share
it
now,
but
I
have
encouraged
him
to
post
it
into
the
tug
slack
channel.
Talking
about
current
approaches
for
CNF
modeling
and
he's
looked
at
a
variety
of
different
scenarios
of
how
you
can
use
Tosca
types
or
Tosca
kubernetes
profile,
but
I
I'm,
just
a
little
unclear
we're
there.
Any
of
those
have
kind
of
traction
right
now
or
gonna
be
the
preferred
way
forward.
A
So
hopefully,
that'll
occur
in
this
slack
channel
in
the
next
couple
days
or
we
could
have
a
set
of
conversations
there.
Rather
he
had
just
given
me
an
advance
copy,
but
I
don't
want
to
paste
it
in
without
his
he's.
Ok,
so
I
guess
I
I
would
just
check
again
with
this
group.
Is
there
anyone
else
who
would
be
interested
in
sharing
an
opinion
on
that
question,
on
CNF,
modeling
and
and
conformance
and
yeah.
F
E
A
C
A
C
C
If
you
look
at
chapter
3,
there
is
more
formation,
then
chapter
4
at
the
moment
because
of
natural
chapter
1
discusses
the
approach
that
will
be
taken
to
do
that
and
will
be
useful
leader
to
look
at
what
would
be
the
approach
in
terms
of
particular
stories.
How
do
you
deal
with
the
lifecycle
management
of
a
cluster
itself
and
what
operation,
what
they
will
look
like
right.
A
C
So
if
you
look
at
the
way
entity
itself
is
looking
at
the
infrastructure
layer
more
than
maybe
the
orchestration
there
now.
Having
said
that,
having
said
that,
one
of
the
things
that
will
keep
coming
up
is:
how
do
we
help
with
any
entity
specifying
requirements
to
assist
programs
like
ovp,
phase,
2
or
ovp
phase
want
to
do
the
compliance
certification
program?
C
Now,
although
insanity
we
said
this
is
not
something
we
cannot
directly
cover,
because
this
our
use,
this
orchestration
kind
of
level,
but
as
with
we
start
looking
at
our
VP
phase
2
with
the
C
entity,
tog
group,
the
hob
is
really
to
collaboratively
come
up
with
a
way
to
move
forward.
So
I'm
not
expecting
this
entity
to
to
specify
in
details
what
would
be
the
right
mode
of?
Is
it
Tosca
or
is
it
helm
or
is
a
combination
of
both
we're
hoping
that
collaboratively?
A
Okay,
I
mean
I,
guess
I'd
love
to
get
your
current
thinking
on
it.
Let
me
just
go
ahead
and
and
share
a
little
bit
of
my
thinking
on
the
subject,
so
there's
a
project
that
CFCF
has
been
investing
in
called
EPI,
snoop
and
I,
just
to
be
clear.
I'm
gonna
give
you
a
quick
overview
of
this,
but
I
have
slides
that
I'm
working
on
to
walk
through
this
process
in
detail
and
provide
a
lot
more
context
for
it.
But
what
it
does
is
use
the
audit
logs
in
kubernetes
to
evaluate
an
application.
C
Yes,
actually
I,
like
that
I
just
looked
at
the
old
page,
I
think
this
is
certainly
one
of
the
things
that
can
be
leveraged
a
lot
in
the
conformance
education
program.
I
do
I,
do
I,
don't
feel
there
is
different
level
of
verification
needed.
One
of
them
is
the
conformance
compliance
to
just
Tosca
or
heat,
or
whether
that
time
format
we
decide
to
test
against,
and
that
would
be
just
compliance.
That
means
like
all
flight
testing,
and
then
there
will
be
the
validation
testing,
which
is
the
second
category.
C
So
this
kind
of
tolling
will
help
us
a
lot
to
really
identifying
is
if
a
given
CNF
is
really
using
the
API
that
we
standardized
as
the
entity
moving
forward,
and
the
third
level
would
be
the
performance
and
I
do
imagine
things
like
testbed
project,
for
example,
which
is
fine
mainly
focusing
on
the
performance,
can
also
fit
into
the
verification
program
to
deliver
that
performance,
metric
metric
and
measurements
that
needed
to
start
also
defining
how
the
characterization
of
the
CNF
will
be
within
the
accepted
range
of
C
entity.
Yeah,
absolutely
yeah
great.
A
E
F
I
there's
so
many
problems
or
ways
to
describe
how
the
different
that
there's
collaborate
like,
if
you
were
to
say
take,
say
the
etsy
standards
and
all
the
different
standards
that
we
try
to
make
to
ensure
that
everyone
plays
nice
with
each
other,
even
though
they
might
have
closed-source
offerings
and
things
like
that,
it
seems
it
comes
back
to
making
sure
that
api's
aren't
wrong
and
validating
each
other.
So
they
passionate
I
think
would
would
help
with
that
with
kubernetes
yeah.
A
A
A
Let's
say
that
we
have
a
CNF
and
it's
installed
via
a
home
v3
chart
and
it's
doing
something
like
the
broadband
network
gateway
or
some
kind
of
routing
of
traffic
or
a
firewall
or
or
something
like
that.
I'm
curious,
your
view
on
how
that
is
interacting
with
the
existing
mono
platforms
that
that
operators
are
using
today.
Do
you
I,
guess
Robby
is
you've.
Looked
at
this
work?
Do
you
see
it
occurring
as
orchestrated
by
own
app
or
what
are
you
seeing
is
kind
of
I
think
it
would
be
southbound
connections
but
I'm,
not
sure.
C
C
It
is-
and
this
is
what
the
part
of
the
confusion
of
the
answer-
I'm
gonna,
give
you
in
a
minute,
which
is
it's
not
clear
yet
exactly
what
role
cabinet
is
really
play
in
the
existence
of
honor
and
I,
we
do
feel
owned
up
is
still
important
in
the
CNF
world
and
having
that
way
to
to
have
a
southbound
to
your
point
from
one
app
to
a
component
is
platform
to
orchestrate.
Cnf
is
really
important
now
how
they
will
end
up
really
implemented
in
real
life.
This
is
still
to
be
seen
and
explored.
I.
C
Don't
think
we
do
have
a
clear
answer,
even
with
an
SI
entity
itself,
to
what's
the
core
document
way
of
doing
that.
This
is
something
we
would
like
to
also
highlight,
and
we
did
highlight
it
as
a
gap
in
the
industry
trying
to
figure
out
really
what
would
be
the
relationship
between
component
ease
and
honor
moving
forward.
Now,
if
we
look
at
it
in
from
different,
more
different
approach,
if
we
look
at
it,
look
at
kubernetes
as
standalone
platform
to
starting
with
and
then
think
about,
how
do
we
hook
up
into
own
app?
C
What
benefit
do
we
get
by
using
open
up
to
owner
I
think
this
is
the
way
we
start
to
look
at
it
if
we
just
forget
about
owner
for
a
second
and
then
look
at
it
from
pure
cloud
native
concept,
and
then,
when
we
start
taking
about
services,
I'm
sure
on
up
will
have
more
important
role
to
play
there.
It's
not
little
to
me
at
the
moment.
How
would
that
out
to
be
fair?
Okay,.
E
Well,
I,
actually
I
think
we
have
been
working
on
the
owner
for
this
thing
have
for
a
while
that
we
actually,
we
recommend
the
way
that
they're
currently
moving
forward
to
the
containerized
working
out.
They
try
to
using
this
how
to
say
the
thing
up
to
traded
at
the
artifact,
the
inside.
You
know
how
existing
lifecycle
management
so
that
they
can
directly
adopted
the
current
greatest
way
for
the
help,
my
way
to
to
publish
provision
those
thing
else.
So
that's
that's
I,
think
that's
what
they
are
currently
doing
and
actually
in
our
our
internal
implementation.
E
We
actually
using
you
know
many,
not
only
the
helm
but
also
the
tao
scott
heat,
but
even
even
the
actually.
We
even
developed
our
own
version
of
those
car
to
to
help
our
product,
because
we
still
think
they
are
not
good
enough
to
to
fit
for
our
special
requirements,
so
both
I
think
the
helm.
Is
it's
good
enough,
for
maybe
some
general
purpose
application,
but
for
tailcone
applications
are
still
some
requirements.
E
There
cannot
be
met,
so
we
still
need
to
to
investigate
on
the
helm
to
say
if
everything
came
down,
helm,
I,
guess
our
policy
is,
it's
just
become
more
and
more
open,
so
we
we
are
trying
to
trend
it
to
even
the
helm
that
still
I
just
need
some
time
to
to
make
it
more
how
to
say
to
meet
every
requirement
from
the
product.
That's
just
not
the
easiest
thing
say
it's
a
still
ongoing
progress.
E
A
G
G
A
F
G
A
G
A
Okay,
but
whether
it's
all
working
on
helm
or
not,
the
goal
is
to
get
there.
I
guess:
yeah,
there's
still
a
bunch
of
out-of-band
things
that
you're
having
to
configure
ahead
of
time.
Of
course,
of
course,
although
I
guess
even
there,
your
aim
is
to
have
some
of
that
work,
containerized
and
running
that
it
would
would
run
on
the
node
to
set
things
up.
First,
correct,
I,
think.
G
That
would
definitely
be
the
end
goal
again
having
everything
in
like
a
modular
fashion.
That
also
makes
it
a
lot
easier
to
do.
Custom
deployment
so
do
modified
deployments
without
having
to
redo
everything
so
so
again
having
building
blocks
to
set
up
what
you're
planning
to
use
should
definitely
be
be
one
of
our
end
goals.
But
at
this
point
we're
not
really
there.
We
did
some
updates
to
I
guess
just
a
kubernetes
deployment.
G
A
A
C
C
So
I've
been
in
a
few
calls
and
within
the
third
group
to
find
that
I,
don't
think
we
still
got
your
conclusion,
but
with
insanity
we
we
thought
this
is
where
the
right
way
of
defining
it,
not
within
the
entity
itself.
Within
the
tag
group
so
yeah,
we
did
not
really
define
it
in
see
entity.
We
were
lying
on
others
who
defined
for
us.
Okay,.
A
A
C
A
A
A
E
A
E
A
Sir,
today
there's
none
I
mean
we've
certainly
talked
about
using
the
testbed
to
run
CNF
and
demonstrate
that
they
do
work.
The
the
question
is
just
that:
it's
not
set
up
for
that
today
in
any
sort
of
automated
way,
and
so
I
mean
one
of
the
advantages
of
API
snoop
is
that
it
doesn't
need
the
same
level
of
infrastructure
and
setup
to
spin
things
up
and
demonstrate
it
I
guess
Michael,
Oher
or
Watson.
Would
you
either
you
want
to
make
a
comment
about
the
CNF
testbed
and
using
that
for
certification.
E
F
A
F
A
It
doesn't
require
very
many
resources
to
run
so,
essentially
any
kubernetes
vendor
out
there
who's
created
their
own
implementation
can
just
run
sauna,
Bui
or
there's
other
ways
other
test
harnesses,
but
a
relatively
simple
container
and
run
through
this
whole
test
and
within
half
an
hour
so
get
a
detailed
log
showing
where
they
pass
or
fail
on
everything
and
where
the
test
bed,
Michael
or
Watson.
How
many
servers
is
it
right?
Now?
It's
like
four
and
it
it
takes
quite
a
while
to
spin
up
and
have
everything
get
configured
just
on
the
kubernetes
side.
I.
G
G
A
G
Yeah,
I'm
and
nothing.
I
think
all
three
approaches
should
be
considered
and
it's
something
that
I
think
we
should
aim
for,
and
at
this
point
we
we
have
some
some
performance
testing
in
place
and
I
think
that
still
being
worked
on
and
I
think
we're
not
really
at
the
point
yet
where
it
it.
It
makes
much
sense
to
try
and
take
in
the
conformance
testing
on
on
both
DD
templates
and
the
runtime.
G
But
it's
it's
something
that
should
be
considered
when
we
get
to
the
point
where,
where
we
start
having
developers
actually
deploying
and
testing
on
on
the
CNF
test
bit
and
then
we
should
definitely
figure
something
at
least
a
bare
minimum
and
place
to
begin
with.
And,
of
course,
it's
it's
something
that
can
be
scaled
up
afterwards.
G
F
Yeah
I
again
as
far
as
the
test
fit
I,
think
it's
it's
important
for,
obviously
for
us
to
get
it
working
easier
for
people
install
one
of
the
things.
Obviously,
is
it's
a
little
bit
different
than
maybe
the
other
conformance
test,
because
you
need
smart
mix
there.
There's
hardware
involved
that
kind
of
thing,
and
maybe
in
the
future,
even
a
six
and
stuff
like
that.
So
that's
where
it
kind
of
comes
a
little
bit
more
difficult,
then
again.
A
F
A
A
A
Okay
last
chance
and
then
I'm
gonna
end.
The
call
I
really
do
appreciate
everybody
joined
today
at
this
awkward
time,
particularly
you
watch
selected,
it's
5:45
a.m.
where
you
are
yeah,
so
we
will
look
at
whether
we
want
to
move
this
hour
back
for
for
January
but
appreciate
the
call
and
Happy
Holidays.
Thank
you
very
much.