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From YouTube: SIG Interoperability Meeting - Oct 21, 2021
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A
B
B
D
Well,
it
was
actually
better
than
I
expected
like
because,
like
the
recording
was
done
by
etsy
iran's
people-
and
I
didn't
see
the
recording
afterwards,
I
thought
it
was
bad,
but
I
think
it
was
one
of
my
best
ever
talks
like
and
then
we
got
lots
of
questions
like
we
may
get
some
contributors
from
telecom.
Who
knows.
B
That
would
be
great.
That
would
be
fantastic.
Actually,
if
you'd
like.
Would
you
like
to
give
a
recap
of
your
talk
just
briefly
and
and
it's
a
little
bit,
I'm
not
sure
how
you
approach
it,
because
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
see
it
yet,
but
it
struck
me
from
the
talk
title
that
it
was
a
little
bit
a
different
approach
than
what
we've
looked
at
so
far
in
this
segment.
So
I
think
it
might
be
interesting
for
the
meeting.
D
Yeah
what
we
can
do,
actually
one
of
the
people
in
the
conference
was
lots
of
questions
who
is
heavily
engaged
in
cicd
domain.
Maybe
I
can
reach
out
to
him
and
ask
him
if
he
is
up
for
a
you
know:
common
blog
post
for
cdf,
like
we
write
like
me,
and
him
writes
a
post
talking
from
etsy
telecom
perspective
like
etsy
as
an
sdo,
and
then
he
could
contribute
his
pieces.
Then
I
couldn't
contribute
cdf.
So
we
come
up
with
a
common
post
on
cdf
site.
Perhaps.
B
B
C
D
B
B
B
D
Yeah
I
postponed
it
because
you
know
the
conferences
happened
last
week
and
I
thought
like
not
to
disturb
him
while
he
was
working
on
conference
because
he
was
part
of
this
supply
chain
conference
as
well.
Well,
I
will
reach
out
to
him
this
week
or
maybe
early
next
week
to
see
if
he
is
interested
in
joining
one
of
our
meetings.
B
B
The
meeting
time
needs
an
adjustment
as
we
have
this
shift
in
meeting
times.
It
happens
and
it
never
happens
the
same
time
around
the
world.
I
think
it's
like
a
two-week
period
where
everything's
just
a
little
bit
weird
for
for
those
of
us
who
are
trying
to
have
distributed
globally
distributed
meetings.
D
Yeah
same
here
should
work
fine
yeah.
I
think
it
stays
same
time
for
our
times
was
like
5,
00
p.m,
for
eu
and
8
00
a.m.
For
north
america.
If
I'm
not,
I
I
miss
like
I'm,
not
good
at
this
calculations,
but
like
because,
like
before
summer,
I
think
last
year
we
run
1600
utc
and
then
we
switched
to
1500
to
you
know,
keep
the
meeting
time
same
for
our
time
zones
and
now
moving
back
to
1600
seems
to
be
the
original
way.
D
B
D
Hopefully,
if
we
see
more
people
coming
from
turkum
industry,
because
I
feel
alone
here
except
emily
mathias-
we
don't
have
many
from
to
recommend
us,
but
that
was
it
and
the
conference
is
user
conference
on
advanced
automated
testing
and
this
year's
theme
was
on
edge
deployments.
You
may
be
hearing
with
this
amazon
and
microsoft
and
google
coming
to
telecom
industry.
There
you
know
distributed
cloud
infrastructure
and
providing
nuclear
weapons
or
operators
like
atn,
tv,
verizon
and
others.
B
It's
super
interesting,
thank
you
for
sharing
fatih
and
thank
you
for
speaking
about
this
egg.
Hopefully
we
will
have
them,
have
their
participation
and
see
how
we
can
collaborate
more.
Was
there
anything
that
jumped
out
that
they
were
particularly
concerned
about
in
the
areas
where
we're
working,
yeah.
D
One
yeah
one
question
was
actually
that
was
a
good
question.
The
person
asked
there
are
two
ways
like
he
actually
answered
his
own
question
like
there
are
two
ways:
we
either
do
nothing
and
expect
some
de
facto
standard
to
emerge
from
one
of
the
committees
such
as
jenkins,
or
we
go
and
do
stuff
there
like
in
cis
domain,
and
my
answer
to
that
was
like
we
waited
for
that
to
emerge
within
communities
which
hasn't
happened.
Yet.
D
Yes,
there
are
collaborations
happening
across
communities
like
tekton
and
jenkins,
sex
and
spinach
and
jenkins,
but
there
is
no
holistic
take
of
this
introverted
question
and
that's
why
we,
you
know,
have
this
specialized
group
interval
t
within
cd
foundation
to
come
up
with
no
collaborative
approach
to
bring
up
some
harmonization
within
domain
so
yeah.
The
actual
question
we
are
trying
to
address
here
within
sig
and
cdf
was
asked,
and
my
answer
to
that
was
come
and
join
us
in
cdf.
E
A
D
Etsy
and
news
foundation
networking
projects
about
how
they
tackled
some
of
the
similar
challenges
within
their
domain,
which
could
help
with
cd
events,
for
example,
because
cd
events
is
working
with
their
spec
to
you
know,
avoid
some
pitfalls
and
do
things
in
you
know
more
welcoming
way.
Perhaps
I'm
not
saying
we
are
not
welcoming,
but
you
know
when
standards
come
into
picture
things
become
a
bit
different,
so
yeah
I
mean
I
hope
we
get
some
additions
to
our
portfolio
from
telecom
or
operators,
especially.
B
That
was
co-sponsored,
I
think,
or
how
would
you
say
it
co-organized
in
any
case,
with
the
cdf
and
open
ssf,
so
it
was
actually
one
of
the
most
attended.
Co-Located
events
like
you've
gone
this
year,
so
lots
of
interest
in
that
space
well
received.
The
talks
were
excellent.
If
you
haven't
had
a
chance
to
see
them
look
out
for
them.
D
F
Yeah,
I
can
talk
for
the
sig
events
booth
and
unfortunately
there
were
I
mean
some
lurkers
there
listening
in
well,
maybe
a
few
seconds
and
then
leaving-
and
apart
from
that,
it
was
just
us
more
or
less
in
the
core
group
of
the
sikh
events
there.
So
it
was
me
tracy
and
steve
and
I
think
andrea
was
there
yeah
and
cara.
You
were
there
a
bit
as
well,
but
apart
from
us,
I
think
it
was
no
one
there
really.
F
B
Yes,
I
would
concur
that
it
was
nice
to
catch
up
and
see
you
all,
but
it
was
less
of
an
outreach
effort
than
I
suppose
we
would
have
thought
it
would
be,
and
in
general,
that's
true
for
the
cdf
booth
and
from
what
I
hear
from
others
for
almost
all
the
virtual
booths.
So
for
the
cdf
booth
itself.
Overall,
there
was
a
little
more
traffic,
the
virtual
one.
There
was
a
little
more
traffic
earlier
on
in
the
conference
and
then
I
think,
as
the
days
passed
it
really
petered
out.
B
B
B
It
was
a
very
good
keynote.
It
was
very
open
in
many
ways,
but
also
very
grounded,
I
think,
for
the
industry
defensive.
Only
in
that
you
know
different
things
like
solarwinds
is
my
company
name,
not
that
you
know
my
company's
name,
not
that
not
the
action
in
the
hack
things
like
that.
It
was
quite
it's
quite
funny,
but
they
have
put
in
place
a
much
stronger
internal
platform
which
they're
going
to
open
source
actually
and
using
a
lot
of
open
source
projects
within
it.
B
B
D
E
B
I
kind
of
wanted
to
take
the
pulse
in
this
meeting
and
in
our
group
in
general
to
see
if
this
would
be
something
we
would
be
interested
in
picking
up,
and
I
would
imagine
we
would
be
working
quite
closely
then,
with
individuals
outside
this
group.
We're
working
on
this,
probably
within
the
open,
ssf
and
and
others.
B
E
Chain
security
is,
is
becoming,
you
know
it's
coming
to
the
limelight,
much
more
than
it
had
been
before,
especially
since
the
the
you
know,
few
high-profile
attacks
that
happen.
You
know
solar
winds
and
what
have
you-
and
in
fact
there
is
there-
is
an
effort
starting
inside
ebay,
to
really
start
to
look
at
the
the
included
libraries
that
we
all
use
open,
source
libraries.
We
just
use
them.
E
D
From
again
I
can
share
maybe
what's
happening
in
telecom
industry
like
what
I
mean
just
said.
It's
like
this
thing
is,
like
everyone
talks
about
supply
chain
now,
and
you
know,
white
house
executive
orders.
We
probably
read
the
first
time
ever.
They
mentioned
open
source
in
one
exec
order
and
similar
to
what
white
house
did.
D
I
think
eu
released
a
report
recently,
maybe
during
september
talking
about
these
things,
plus
india
released
an
order
saying
trusted
supplier
trust
provider
and
they
all
point
to
same
thing
like
software
supply,
chain
security
and
like
this,
not
just
for
telecom
industry,
but
whoever
supplies
software
to
you
know
especially
government
organizations.
Perhaps
they
will
be
impacted
and,
like
telecom
is
same,
it
is
not
different,
like
others
and
yeah
things
have
to
be
done
and
late.
D
This,
I
think
open
ssl
made
an
announcement
last
week
about
the
latest
investment
they
received
and
they
will
put
an
effort
into
this
area
like
similar
to
spdx.
Perhaps
we
will
see
more
cross
community
collaboration
happening
in
software
supply
chain
and
like
ci
cd,
is
an
important
aspect
of
supply
chain.
B
Yeah,
I
I
entirely
agree
with
that.
I
think
we
also
have
a
lot
to
add
to
that
conversation,
especially
those
who
are
building
and
developing
the
tools
and
using
them,
because
really
we
do
want
to
make
sure
that
it
is
easy
to
incorporate
to
both
generate
and
incorporate
smalls
into
our
pipelines
and
and
the
policy
checks
that
that
will
entail.
I
just
I
feel
like
from
an
ease
of
use
from
an
interoperability
perspective
being
engaged
in
that
conversation
as
cicd
tool.
End
users
and
vendors
is
a
really
important
viewpoint
to
add.
E
B
C
B
C
E
D
Yeah,
if
I
think
about
what
we
have
been
discussing
within
the
sixth
for
a
year
or
more
than
a
year,
I
think
we
kind
of
we
are
successful.
Realizing
software
supply
chain
thingy
without
naming
it
software
supply
chain
and
without
you
know,
seeing
the
white
house
executive
order,
because
the
topics
we
have
been
discussing
like
standardizing
the
date
and
policy
driven
cd,
they
could
all
contribute
to
securing
for
their
supply
chain.
D
But
that's
kind
of
that
makes
me
think,
like
we
were
on
the
right
track,
but
we
perhaps
didn't
have
out
of
traction
with
doing
real
stuff,
perhaps
like
we
have
been
talking,
and
you
know,
highlighting
issues
and
talking
about
potential
solutions.
But
we
haven't
really
made
how
to
say
concrete,
or
we
haven't
really
brought
concrete
things
out
of
our
discussions.
D
That
is,
like
maybe
yeah.
This
road
map
could
be
a
way
for
us
to.
You
know,
put
our
thoughts
in
a
bit
more
structured
way
and
use
some.
You
know
buzzwords
to
communicate
with
both
with
cd
foundation
and
other
communities
saying
that,
yes,
we
are
working
on
these
things
and
how
we
can
work
together
to
make
real
impact.
Helping
the
other
communities
and
users
like
ebay
and
ericsson-
and
you
know,
vendors
who
may
be
coming
up
with
solutions
addressing
these
challenges.
C
D
We
continued
doing
that
and
lots
of
other
things
like
vocabulary,
thing
which
is
now
taken
over
by
best
practices
seek
and
they
have
a
separate
ripple
called
glossary.
I
think
to
keep
fishing
for
those
things
and
given
what
I
said
like
yes,
we
have
been
talking
about
things,
but
we
may
be
kind
of
standing
still
when
it
comes
to
some
of
the
key
topics
we
have
been
talking
about
and
that's
why
this
topic
came
up
like.
D
Should
we
look
at
our
roadmap
and
refresh
it
update
it,
based
on
what
we've
been
discussing
and
perhaps
focus
on
the
things
we
can
really
make
an
impact
based
on
our
experiences,
and
you
know
knowledge
in
cic
domain.
So
what
I've
done
is
I
took
the
original
version
of
roadmap.
I
updated
the
title
of
it:
roadmap
2022.,
I
don't
know
we
should
perhaps
not
put
here
there,
but
I
want
to
make
it
different
from
the
original
one
and
then
start
commenting
on
the
document
heavily
like
what
we
can
change.
D
My
proposal
is
to
drop
it
because
this
has
become
the
way
we
operate
by
inviting
people
to
share
their
work
within
communities
within
their
companies
about
how
they
are
doing
things
and
then
some
things
like
andrews
requirements.
That
is
still
valid
because
we
should
continue
making
end
users
part
of
our
conversations,
but
by
inviting
them
to
our
meetings
and
making
them
part
of
r6
and,
like
I
think,
all
of
us
in
this
meeting,
except
perhaps
you
kara-
are
coming
from
end
user
communities
or
end
user
companies.
D
So
we
should
continue
doing
that
so
keeping
it
shared
terminology.
We
can
move
it
to
see
best
practices
and
contribute
to
this
under
there
you
know
repositories,
so
we
can
drop
it
0.4.
It
is
still
valid.
Standardized
frameworks,
still
valid.
Promotion
of
best
practice
could
perhaps
be
done
by
the
seed
best
practice
and
we
can
contribute
from
interability
perspective
into
that,
and
our
supply
chain
is
something
new
we
could
highlight
in
our
roadmap
now.
D
I
am
quickly
browsing
through
chapters
and
we
can
talk
about
them
in
more
detail
and
then
when
it
comes
to
roadmap.
So
again
I
did
the
same
thing:
what
we
can
drop
like
knowledge,
sharing,
cicd
vocabulary.
This
was
already
completed,
so
we
can
remove
it,
and
then
we
can
move
some
of
the
things
we
highlight
as
the
things
to
do
now
as
completed,
because
we
completed
some
of
these
things.
D
Like
case
studies,
I
think
I
mean
you
presented
your
approach
to
pipelines
within
ebay
and
I
think
emily
you
did
similar
thing
with
rifle,
so
we
can
list
them
as
completed
items
and
then
identifying
focus
areas.
This
is
kind
of
a
bit
outdated
because
we
have
addressed
some
of
these
things
or
we
can
take
a
fresh
look
at
this
focus
areas
and
update
this
chapter
events.
D
D
D
Supply
chain
is
proposed
as
a
new
item
to
work
on
right
now,
and
an
additional
proposal
under
that
is
to
combine
these
different
topics
like
standardized
metadata
policy
driven
cd
under
the
software
supply
chain.
So
we
can
relate
to
broader
industry
initiative
directly
rather
than
us
talking
about
things.
D
E
E
This
will
be
my
last
meeting
joining
you
guys
as
as
part
of
ebay
and
I'm
moving
off
to
salesforce
and
I'm
going
to
so
I'm
moving,
I'm
joining
their
devops
automation
group,
which
is
responsible
for
ci
cd
across
the
company
and
I'm
gonna
push
for
them
to.
Basically,
I'm
not
sure
if
they
are
already
cdf
members,
but
I'm
definitely
going
to
push
to
get
them
involved
in
in
cdf.
E
E
D
E
B
Congratulations,
our
man,
that's
awesome
and
thank
you
for
your
continued
involvement
and
for
for
encouraging
ebay
to
bring
bring
in
other
individuals
who
come
involved
as
well
from
what
I
can
see.
I
don't
think
salesforce
is
a
member,
yet
the
cdf,
so
by
all
means
we
would
be
happy
to
welcome
them
in.
So,
if
you
would
like
to
either
contact
myself,
tracy
or
jackie,
we
can
certainly
help
support
any
of
those
conversations
and
and
help
move
them
forward.
E
I
I
know
some
things
about
what
they're
trying
to
do
overall,
obviously,
as
part
of
my
interviews
that
I
did
with
them,
but
once
I
know
the
nitty-gritty
details
I'll
know
much
better
what
their
appetite
would
be
for
wanting
to
join
cdf,
I'm
definitely
going
to
push
for
that
so
yeah.
I
may
reach
out
to
you
for
some
support
on
that.
D
D
So
the
again,
just
repeating
myself
like
again,
we
have
a
few
things
to
you
know,
drop
few
things
to
move
around
and
few
new
things
to
add.
But
the
main
question,
perhaps
I
want
to
ask
all
of
you-
is
like
okay
supply
chain.
We
have
been
talking
about
that
for
last
10
minutes
and
even
longer,
if
we
think
the
other
topic
says
supply
chain.
D
What,
as
do
we
want
to,
you
know
highlight
like
it
doesn't
have
to
be
done
right
now,
but
maybe,
as
future
items
like
speculations
are
welcomed
like
if
you
have
something
in
your
mind,
saying
oh,
this
will
be
important.
That
would
be
a
good
thing
to
highlight
in
the
roadmap,
because
this
roadmap
will
probably
end
up
being
some
random
people
which
may
not
find
those
things
as
interesting
and
important
can
join
us,
helping
us
making
an
impact
so
feel
free
to
add
anything.
E
It's
it
highlights
it
in
the
pipeline
that
hey,
you
did
not
adhere
to
this
best
practice
as
a
part
of
your
pipeline
and
management
just
jumped
on
board
and
boy.
A
bunch
of
groups
at
ebay
are
are
now
adhering
to
these
best
practices
that
they've
known
about
all
this
time,
but
they
weren't
highlighted,
but
because
the
pipeline
highlighted
it
now
they're
doing
it.
So
it
has
had
a
huge
effect.
D
Okay,
I
I
am
struggling
with
google
docs,
so
it's
okay,
it's
like
it
just
jumps
around
when
I
try
to
type
but
yeah
so
yeah,
I
I
was
like
thinking
of
adding
in
positivity
under
software
supply
chain,
but
hearing
you
now
makes
sense
to.
You
know
highlight
that
as
a
top
level
item
and
then
perhaps
we
can
cross
reference
between
software
supply
chain
and
policy
driven
cd
like
okay
quality
is
one
thing
that
is
critical.
D
E
Yeah-
and
you
know
it
it's
it's
funny
how
how
things
you
know
where
you
place.
Things
makes
a
huge
difference.
Everyone's
known
about
these
best
practices,
they're
they're
out
in
the
world,
there's
been
a
thousand
different
talks
on
them,
paper,
white
papers
and
all
kinds
of
things.
People
know
about
them,
but
once
they
appeared
as
part
of
the
pipe
of
their
delivery
pipeline
and
it
got
high
excuse
me,
it
was
highlighted
during
their
delivery
pipelines
and
and
pr
validation
pipelines
it
all
of
a
sudden.
E
I
mean
I
can.
I
can
basically,
you
know,
ask
our
folks
at
ebay
to
see
if
we
can
at
least
open
source
the
approach
that
I
took.
So
we
can
discuss
it
openly
here
as
one
option
and
others
can
jump
in
because
I
know
captain
has
a
quality,
slo,
sla,
slo-based,
quality
gates
mechanism.
If
I'm
not
mistaken,.
D
E
D
E
D
F
Yeah,
yes,
before
ramen
talked
about
policies,
I
was
actually
about
to
say
that
we
have
actually
concluded
something
about
policies,
at
least
when
we
have
had
these
presentations,
and
I
just
think
we
shouldn't
just
drop
that
ball,
so
it
it's
good
that
it's
visible
our
roadmap,
that
we
want
to
continue
talking
about
policy
in
cd.
I
think.
B
A
B
Yes,
yes,
I
will
find
out
the
dates
find
out
when
there's
a
next
like
opening,
slide
and
and
circle
back
and
see
what
works
for
everyone,
because
I
think
it
would
be.
It
would
be
really
great
to
bring
in
more
end
users
and-
and
you
know,
share
what
we're
doing,
and
I
think
that
would
be
really
beneficial
for
everyone
involved.
D
I
think
that
was
all
I
had
to
say
about
throughout
my
page.
You
see
it's.
It
looks
like
messy
at
the
moment,
but
yeah
once
you
have
the
link
it's
in
the
meeting
minutes
and
then
I
will
send
a
separate
mail
to
a
mail
list,
just
respond
to
comments
or
edit
the
document
directly,
and
maybe
we
keep
it
as
this
and
starts
from
scratch
by
copying
some
things
from
this
document
to
a
new
document,
because
it
looks
messy
right
now
and
I
messed
up
with
google
docs
fighting
yeah.
B
B
The
last
thing
I
really
wanted
to
say
to
this
meeting
is
we're
giving
the
cdf
landscape
a
bit
more
intention,
and
we
really
want
your
input
on
a
number
of
levels.
If
you
know
of
any
projects
that
should
be
added
to
the
landscape
by
all
means,
please
raise
a
pull
request.
We
would
love.
We
welcome
that
contribution.
B
In
addition-
and
this
is
a
little
more
more
appropriate-
probably
for
this
group
and
other
other
groups
that
are
really
thinking
about
this
space,
we
do
want
to
reconsider
the
categories
on
the
cdf
landscape,
so
those
categories
were
kind
of
put
together
over
a
year
ago,
and
you
know
maybe
maybe
could
do
with
a
little
bit
of
a
a
look
over.
So
we
are
considering
how
the
tool
landscape
has
changed,
how
we
want
to
change
our
groupings,
maybe
some
categories
that
are
not
in
the
landscape.
Yet
that
really
should
be.
B
B
But
there
are
links
in
the
the
notes
for
this
meeting
both
to
the
landscape
itself,
the
repo
a
couple
of
the
issues
around
changing
categories
or
adding
new
projects.
So
please
do
get
involved.
We
we
do
want
to
make
sure
everyone
everyone's
represented.
All
the
products
are
represented.
Certainly,
all
our
members
are
represented,
but
we
also
just
want
more
input
from
the
wider
ecosystem.
We
want
many
different
opinions
to
be.
You
know
to
have
another
place
within
this
landscape.
B
B
B
Garrett,
no,
and
it
should
be
it's
so
funny,
one
of
the
problems
with
adding
projects.
I'll
just
say
it
is
it's
really
hard
to
get
an
appropriate
logo
and
there's
actually
like
svg
logo
rules
for
the
landscape,
both
for
what
will
pass
built,
but
also
there's
ways
to
make
it
look
nicer.
So,
as
you
can
see
like
git
and
getty,
I
just
put
them
up
this
week
or
so,
and
they
don't
have
the
names
of
the
projects.
They
just
have
the
icons
in
version
control
and
really
we
want.
B
We
want
the
icon
and
then
the
name
underneath
we
would
prefer
it
to
be
stacked
in
the
way
that
say,
tekton
or
jenkins.
That
looks
really
nice.
There's
like
a
whole,
you
know,
there's
a
there's
a
whole
set
of,
I
guess,
design
considerations
that
other
people
have
thought
about,
and
these
are.
These
are
in
the
readme
to
the
best
extent
possible
if
you
click
on
them.
Actually,
a
really
nice
card
opens
up.
C
B
You
know
contact
us
if
you
want
to
use
it,
so
I
just
use
the
wikimedia
ones,
but
you
know
if
anyone
knows
of
a
better
logo,
for
both
of
those
by
all
means,
just
change
that
or
already
any
of
these,
you
know
their
information
might
need
to
be
updated.
You
might
find
that
they
belong
in
a
different
category.
You
might
want
to
raise
an
issue
that
this
category
is
incorrect
for
this
project.
In
fact,
it
makes
me
think
there
should
be
a
whole.
E
B
E
A
A
B
Yes
and
I'm
not
sure,
release
automation,
I
mean
there's
some
of
these
that
I'm
like.
Is
this
really
the
best
use
of
our
you
know
both
people's
mind
space
like
how
much
they
can
take
in
and
what
they
take
in
right
away,
and
also
just
in
logical
grouping
of
these
of
these
projects
I
feel
like
it
could
definitely
be
improved.
So
please,
please
provide
your
input
and
opinions.