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From YouTube: January 18, 2021 Ortelius Outreach Meeting

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Blog-A-Thon, GSOC and the new website are part of this meeting. Owen Adams presented the Docsy version of the website, rules of engagement were discussed for the Blog-A-Thon.

A

All right well, thank you.

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C

Hey everyone, hello,.

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See you at the doc.

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Don't forget to hit record.

C

So I can see tracy talking, but I can't hear her. I don't know if there's something on my side.

D

B

It's on my side, it was on my. It was on my headphone.

B

Just wondering why nobody was responding to me.

B

I am definitely not awake yet.

C

And I have a feeling when I move between my laptop and my workstation there's various cables and I keep getting the wrong order.

B

Well, I was on a call on late on friday and I made sure and muted my headphones and then I dropped off the meeting and it ends up that way. Okay, so thank you. Everybody for showing up on a this is a martin luther king day for uh the united states, so it will be a. um It will be uh probably a sparse, showing uh some of the things that we need to cover.

B

So from our last meeting we talked about doing a a um a blogathon which we're going to move forward with.

B

We have siddharth who doesn't look like he's here today, working on badges, we're trying to figure out how to do a reward system, but we will kick off the blogathon at the beginning of february, and I was hoping I could get some feedback from this group of what kinds of blogs do. We think we should do what what should be the reward system.

B

So my initial thought was to do um a blog, any blog over 500 words, uh any blog over 300 words with a video or or at 300, because it 300 is kind of the minimum for doing seo.

B

300 with a video or anything over 500, and do it specifically around tips and tricks for ortillius, because we're trying to make sure that people have the information that they need to get on boarded.

B

We can also do other ones, though, certainly, and we can also do other kind of competitions.

B

For example, we can say by the end of march, who has the most uh shared or who has the most views on their blog, so just any ideas on how we can make this a more engaging experience.

D

So I would say that the um uh I like the idea of doing a pure uh just you know, text version and then doing the mix between a video and the the blog itself.

D

I think some of the topics that we'll need to talk about are going to be.

D

You know, like you, said, tips and tricks, and I think tips and tricks uh should be able to include uh tips and tricks around if you want to contribute as well. I would not exclude if somebody had like a trick around um or a good tip around dealing with like merging inside a visual studio, or something like that. um You know that would be a a good trip trick with a video uh that would go along with it. So something like that is where I think we should look at. um I did put.

D

I am in the process of putting together the um the gsoc project ideas, so we can expand the blogs around those top topics as well. You know integrations into um spinnaker or argo.

D

Those could be. Other integration integrations would be another topic.

B

Okay, so um artillious.

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D

I know it's hard to type when everybody's staring at you.

B

I'm not thinking about that. I just not awake.

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How twos and um on boarding.

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I mean like uh just for um like an example, a blog topic. It really isn't essentially around artelias, but it will come into play around it and um it will give us something to build upon, like um the reason why we chose to go like with a hugo server for the website.

D

You know what are the benefits of use going, that route versus like a wordpress. um You know the whole idea of being able to have multiple contributors check. You know, make changes, uh check things in and then there's an automatic, automated process that carries it all the way through to rolling it out to production. You know using ortilius itself.

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D

So if anybody has a lack of topics, I I can you know.

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Is everybody okay, with 500 words for a regular one and 300 words for a um one with a video.

D

Yeah, what's uh what's the 501 uh word, one look like do? We have.

B

Most of ours out there around 800 words, so 500 words is a bit short, but it's um it's long enough uh and me with most blogs. I think you should try to get them to where they're you can read them all within like three minutes. Something like that three to four minute reads:.

D

Yeah and the um the videos should be relatively short as well. I think you know, under under a 10-minute video.

B

Yeah, a five-minute video would be great.

D

Yeah, that would be even a better.

D

Okay, and- um and I would just I would just stress on these blogs- that you don't they don't have to be solo blogs. If a couple people want to team up on on doing a topic, um I think that would be even more beneficial to uh to have a couple people collaborate around the topic.

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So what I'd like to be able to do with these topics so we have, and I'm going to put in the um there is so we're going to have probably maybe five or six I'm assuming four to six uh speaking opportunities for attilius at cdcon. I think the date for submitting your cfp is in march early march.

B

So what I was hoping we could do is take some of the blogs that we all felt were really great blogs and turn them into presentations.

D

That's an excellent idea. I think it does help, lay the groundwork for a presentation.

D

It kind of gives you the your your general, you know what each slide is going to be when you start when you get it written down in the blog.

B

Yeah, so that's why I'm saying that we might want to just you know. I think we could put it any topic around the um around the general space blogs around the general space of configuration management.

B

How we're fitting into a git ops scenario.

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D

There's one that just came, I just picked it up in uh sam uh put it in the discord channel uh that there's today's the last day for call for papers for istio con. Oh wow,.

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Me I don't want everybody has to use this con thing. It's like.

B

I know it could be a festival, it could be so many other things.

C

I'm sure it'll fade out of fashion in the next few years and we'll have a new time.

D

It's painful just weird: it's it's so unimaginative.

C

Just to um check out a quick thing: it might be worthwhile creating a text channel within the discord for blog feedback. We don't want people being able to collaborate. So if someone's got an idea, they've written up a draft being able to chuck that in there to get some additional feedback on it from folk github issues can work for it, but you can use. I tend to see more engagement when it's more of a free-flowing chat area.

D

Yeah we do have, um I guess the.

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I thought we had a channel out there, the closest channel we have out there is the contrib x one um but yeah we can um stand one up. That's not a big deal! Oh you know what I'm thinking. There's a github repo that we have. That's called outreach um that we're holding resources for um like the web page. You know the logo and things like that. So yeah we'll stand up one on the discord side.

B

So on the blogathon and generally blogathons everybody's a winner, but should we have some kind of competition in that blogathon.

D

I I would say so I think we could, um I think, truthful.

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Good now, for example, uh blog which uh I'm just making a wild guesses, but there could be other thoughts, also blog, which got maximum hips yeah maximum views.

B

Yeah we could, you know we could run it through.

E

We've got maximum comments.

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E

I hope you can track the hits which has come to a blog or views which has come to a blog. uh That is important, though,.

D

I know we can in wordpress, um we'll have to see on the timing of our migration over to uh the hugo server. I'm guessing we'll still be on wordpress uh for for a little bit. um So on the wordpress side, we can see fuse.

C

The hugo side, we would need to hook it into something like google analytics or another analytics platform, but it's pretty trivial to do.

D

Yeah yep, that's what I figured.

B

So um everybody think about what blog and everybody. If you know, we really need to have a good showing at cdcon for talks, so I I want to really curate some interesting talks to present there so think about what kind of talks you might feel would be um would be appropriate. You know, and most of them should be specific to this- is our chance to really let ortilla shine, so they if it should be specific to ortillius and the artillious platform, so doing a talk on integrating artilles to spinnaker.

B

You know we we have till june to get that done. I think that would be a really very. It would be a very interesting talk, integrating ortilius to argo. Another interesting talk.

B

I think the application sets the discussion we just started on friday. um That is a very in uh would be a good talk.

B

um General um configuration and setup of artillios would be one that we we would want to do so you know think about what you um ideas um and those of you who have been on jenkins projects before what kind of uh what kind of talks were popular with jenkins, uh so that we can serve the audience as best as we can.

D

And even even talks around, you know, um like owen, with all the your micro services and how they're this the thought process and some of the troubles that you know you're trying to head off and I think sasha's in the same boat uh with his organization.

D

You know what what are you trying to tackle and get your arms around and how arterius can fit into solving that that problem.

C

Yeah, so that's a chat I need to have with my head of software to find out how publicly I'm allowed to talk about the architecture. I think it's fine.

C

I think it's basically my decision, but it's one of those things I just want to make sure as I'm not quite out of probation yet, um but I am the conversation around application sets and the specific issues which we have at igs is something I'm hoping to actually write up the architecture of and show where those problems are and if I can hook that indoor telly so it'll be great, but I need to have a chat with him at the end of the week to find out just quite how public I can be about some of it.

D

Yeah and if you want to um we've, run into this all the time with uh when you get into legal- and you know you just sit there and go this large software firm and such and such country is doing this and you're just kind of leaving it leave. It really vague.

C

Yeah, it's interesting because it's a startup, no one's really crossed this bridge in the organization before so. I'm hoping I've got an opportunity to set your tone for the company.

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C

But I need to see how that works out.

D

Well, do you do you guys have have you written any open source uh portions of your.

C

We have something we're looking to make open source soon, um which is a opc a simulator, but we're in chats with the actual hardware provider to check that we haven't preached any nda components. First of all, it's fully written in-house, but it's based on some of their spec and hardware. Companies can get a little bit funny at times, but yeah I'm hoping to actually oversee publishing, making that open source over the next year. But we need to see what happens.

B

Right and uh for any of you having that conversation with an employer, uh the cd foundation is really pushing for uh end user to build their end user community uh so and a lot of companies are trying to follow the capital one model, where they're really being they're, really pushing themselves out there as being as much a technology company as they are a banking company, um so think about that possibility. If you know you have that conversation owen, you might bring it up.

C

And, as I say to anyone else, if um there are there's some a lot of collateral which is coming you're going to be coming out of the end user accounts in the next month or so, um if anyone has any interest in that drop your message as I'm part of that group, so you know, we've got a lot of crafts around dora metrics, but also around these kind of conversations. So there's anything there. I can push or share. Let me know and I'll do what I can.

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B

So on that um owen, you want to give us an update on the work you've done on the website.

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Absolutely yeah um happy to give me a second, so uh I'll actually share. If I can, as it might be easier, it's been a while, since I've been in zoom. Give me a second.

D

Well, at least the zoom on a pc instead of your phone.

B

D

A whole different ball game.

C

um So I'll quickly show where it's at and then I'll talk a little bit about the structure of it and what needs to be done.

C

um So I've been looking to move the current wordpress website over to a hugo based static site generator, the idea being that will allow for easier collaboration on various components of the page, so particularly around blog posts, very easy to open a pull request generate a preview view on it, get feedback on that and then see that through to the final stage at the moment, um the most of the content, which is already there, has been moved across to this there's three pages missing, which are the remember correctly, the what ortelius does pages on the homepage, which I still need to port over most of the media content has been moved across.

C

So the mp4 and the images are now part of this as well, and the missing bits are a couple of bits around the layout in particular. So, as you can see, this section is primarily a placeholder.

C

This section under guidelines is still very much just text at the moment it needs a little bit of styling applied, but if we look at become a contributor, I've been trying to match this as much as I can to the existing site layout right now, there's a couple of small changes.

C

If we want to review the layout later down the line, I think it's easier to start with something which is similar as opposed to take it all on at once. um So.

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Owen on that, don't be afraid to modify the way that the website looks. There was not a lot of thought put into this website. It was put together pretty darn fast, like within a day, so.

C

Yeah, so for me, I'm not really a great ui person, so I think that it looks good enough if I run into anything which is going to be difficult to move across I'll, just move it, as is the biggest bit which we need. A bit of thought about. The layout is going to be the blog. The default doxy blog layout is relatively simplistic, um it's functional, but it is relatively simplistic.

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B

Know I like the way it looks. To be quite honest, I think it's clean.

C

Great that makes it even easier ben, so yeah, but then last couple of bits said a couple of bits on the layouts I'm looking to do and then it will be getting the deployment working against uh kubernetes as opposed to the current play. Stronger. I've got, which is using netlify.

C

It's not a big deal to get working mode. I'm not overly worried about that. It's a fairly standard container and uh chart for pushing it. It will just be how we do the pr environments um but yeah. So it's it's content's moved layouts are almost there a little bit to do on deployment um and figuring out how we're gonna migrate the traffic across to it. But it's almost there.

B

So any you anytime, you're ready! If you um want to uh work with steve, to bring it over somewhere, where I can start helping as well.

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B

Might have to do a little bit of educating, but I'm a pretty quick learner.

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D

And and the thought process on the pushing it over to kubernetes um the user guide, our is already over in kubernetes and we'll bring this across and the user guide is, uh and the contributor guide are both under uh hugo doxy as well. So the thought process is to bring this over um as a container uh push it over into our azure cluster through a tortillas um or deploy hub one or the other um and uh istio set up over on that side and we'll be able to route uh to a dev uh website.

D

So you can preview uh what a live website looks like and when you're happy with it we'll go ahead and push it over to the prod one. As part of that that'll just be um oh and you and I will have to figure out the github.

D

You know tagging so you can have you know the look good looks good to me and then once you do that, then it goes to the next stage automatically um as part of that uh process. But that's gonna be pretty easy, since we already have uh it up and running for the the dock side.

C

Yeah, so it will be a very similar process, um the other side, so most of I've done what I can to keep the content as the actual blog v. Sorry, the website content as marked down as possible. So we've got a couple of custom short codes and stylings in there about expanding the readme to document.

C

What are the website specific functions which have been added so that should hopefully make it fairly easy for anyone coming to it to get up to speed, as well with the slight bespoke bits we've got there.

D

Yeah looks awesome, thank you so much for watching.

B

Yeah, it's I'm so excited to have something that we can actually all contribute to.

C

It's been a really nice break from uh dealing with c plus. Actually it's been.

G

Very refreshing well well,.

B

We're glad that we were here for you, then, to take on a different project, um and I guess I should really find out from the cd foundation. If there's a place, we can host it right.

D

Not yet we'll I'll I'll deal with the cd foundation and moving our cluster over into them right now, we're running under so deploy hub got like 30 000 worth of azure credits um that were good for a year, um and I believe that expires in june.

D

So when we get closer to june I'll start talking with the cdf to move that cluster over to probably end up under google, since they run everything on the cdf is runs. Most everything under google.

B

And um owen: do we need to get it put into a more permanent place before you work on um the build part.

C

Yeah so I'll finish up the layout section on the temporary reaper I've created and then I'll speak with steve about just creating a repo with or I'm assuming it would be steve. Creating a repo under the ortelius github account and I'll just push the content to there. And then we.

B

C

Get the build step done.

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D

uh Yeah I'll take care of that. That's not a big deal.

D

um Just let you know. I did create that blogathon channel uh in um discord.

B

Okay, I think the last thing we have to report on is gsac. We did submit through the cdf uh our interest in participating, um sasha, krom, neetu and steve have all stepped up to be mentors. If anybody else is interested in mentoring, let us know, and the three projects will be, the integration to spinnaker the integration of argo and the.

D

B

The visualization, um so in terms of you know what, if we do a talk, you know there's a timing issue, because this doesn't start until june and uh we are already at cdcon by june.

B

So if somebody wants to do a talk on the integration to spinnaker or the integration to argo, my suggestion is: we would go ahead and get somewhat of a skeleton put together, so those integrations are working and then we can bring the um the the minty on to clean it up and add any additional reporting features and whatnot that we need around it. So if anybody wants to, you know take on that as a as a blog and a talk at cdcon, and we would probably ask you to be the mentor as well for that.

B

Which kind of makes sense and natchez? uh Now you want to introduce yourself. He is a newcomer to open source. He has just finished uh school himself, I'm seeing if he can get be part of the uh be part of the gsoc, but he doesn't know if he can uh nat. You want to yeah.

F

Hi, can everyone hear me.

B

F

Yeah so hi so as tracy introduced me, so I'm just graduated from from graduate school and I'm looking for uh I'm looking to learn and looking to contribute to the open source community. So that's um that's my goal here.

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B

Just finish the uh new jersey institute of tech program, nice, isn't that correct.

F

Yeah, that's correct: okay,.

B

Because I hope it wasn't somebody else who did that um and did you get a a bachelor's or a masters.

F

Masters yeah yeah.

D

And are you where are you currently living in the states? Yeah.

F

I am I'm living in new jersey right now.

B

So welcome and we're excited to have you on as a new open source contributor, so.

F

Any of anything.

B

We've just spoken about applies to you as well, so if you want to take on any of that, um you have mentors here already, you don't have to be part of gsoc. It would be great if you could be, though, because that you get uh gsoc pays their um any any of the interns who are working there so do submit, but.

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I think we figured out that the submission for the on the student side happens in march.

B

But if you want to start doing something like learning, spinnaker or learning, argo cd and you want to work on an integration you're more than welcome to take that on and you've got people who will help you steve taylor, I know will be able to help you with some of the core components, because he's already written integrations around jenkins and circle, ci and other cd tools.

B

So in actuality, a lot of the work is already done. It just has to be set up for argo and spinnaker.

D

We just got to pull a bunch of little pieces together.

F

Okay, yeah. Okay! Thank you. Thank you for that.

B

And that takes us say exactly 8 30 and, as everybody knows, I try to keep these to exactly 30 minutes. If we can, um is there anything else that I should cover, I think we covered a lot. We did the we got the website moving forward, which I'm super excited about. We have the blogathon, I think a format for it. um We have g socks sorted out, so those are all three big three big rocks that we're trying to achieve, and I think all of them contribute to our um overall goal of increasing adoption.

B

And I'll start pushing out some of the website that I'm pages that I'm building and I don't know if I should wait, should I wait? Oh it and not do anything until how long do you think it's going to take us to move it all over?

B

I hate to create new content for the existing.

C

Website, okay um feel free to create new content. I can migrate it across pretty easily okay, and so it survives on all the existing stuff, and I would give an estimate, as I found out before christmas, my estimate was wildly off, so I'm hoping it will take a week or two, but I can't guarantee it so create content. Let me know and I'll move it across.

B

Okay, so I'm going to create a gsoc page and I'll create a blogathon page, but I think what I'm going to do is keep them under the I'm going to create blogs for those instead of new pages.

C

Cool sounds good.

B

And I'll just have the event page point to the blog.

B

Okay, well everybody thank you for hear monday morning or monday afternoon or monday evening, wherever you might be, and we have the architecture meeting on thursday at the same time and steve will be working on summing up the requirements document that we heard from argo and spinnaker, uh and so we should start really putting our head around that.

D

Yeah, so that will be um we'll go over that and make sure I didn't miss anything um from that conversation. We had with those folks so I'll try to get that out earlier than later, so you can review it.

B

And I'll post the recording to it we'll get posted out there as well under the architecture, uh community, doc.

D

And oh and I did just create a website uh repo.

C

Oh, let's get stuff across today in the next couple of days.

D

Yeah I'll get you added into it. I it takes me a little bit to add in the security but you'll be able to get into it um directly.

C

Awesome thanks.

B

Okay, thank you. Everybody, everybody, bye-bye.

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