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From YouTube: Ortelius Outreach Working Group - December 7th, 2020

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Ortelius reward system, website, an onboarding ramp for new members are a few of the topics from this Ortelius Outreach group of masters minds.

A

It's a graph series specifically, but I I have a data scientist.

A

Success. Congratulations. I.

B

Went through it I had to go, I went through. I went through the zoom app and started the meeting.

B

I mentioned the first thing to that. Only.

B

All right, so this is the december 7 2020 um outreach committee meeting um agenda items include the updates to the website press releases going out tomorrow for our intro, our acceptance into the cdf, and we need to work on a reward system as well as a few others, and I'm sorry, I'm going to cut this recording short, but we just spent the last 10 minutes trying to figure out how to fix zoom. So it would record so we're going to continue on. With this conversation.

B

So yes, uh I need to, um we do need to you know, and uh that's a really good point, because I think that everything we do. I should have included tickets for updating the. uh I should have created a github issue for everything I did around updating the uh the website, instead of just going ahead and doing it. So I I'll we'll get a better habit of opening up tickets because I think that is important.

B

We open up tickets for code updates, but we forget to open up tickets for, like any of the work that tatiana has done some of the work that you've done. So we just need to get in the habit of doing that.

A

Now I have been opening tickets, good, good, good.

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A

They are there.

C

Yes, okay, see tracy, just doesn't look good.

B

I'm terrible at it. I really am I'll get.

A

Better yeah, don't worry about that, so I have so anything related to product management. I have tickets tatyana and I actually tag on it like I assign- and we have you know the product management tag on it. We can also do an outreach tag like the website update and all could be. You know an outreach tag that we just need to do it for better outreach.

C

uh Need to are you doing those tags in the title or, as uh maybe the label, okay, I'll I'll, make sure I do it the same way, then so we're consistent.

A

Okay sounds good all right.

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Something to ask steve.

C

uh Karam, can you go over what you added to discord.

D

So like before that, I like regarding the linkedin profile. So I was thinking that, if you could set up the profile by today so like tomorrow like when, we have presses, you can share the first post and like we can reshare that inner connection as well on linkedin.

B

Yeah, by the way uh we uh marky walked through those uh the work on the um discord channel and he thought it was spot on. He did say that what we needed was a developer guide, so siddharth is going to work and siddharth is here, so don't speak for him, but uh he is volunteered to start working on that developer's guide.

D

And steve, I guess you mentioned it so. Regarding last week, I like had a fun idea to like introduce some bots and like like basically to try something out.

C

Yeah go over if you can go over the bots that you added so people know what they're doing.

D

So so can you see my screen.

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D

So the widget board that steve had previously added so the like this is the server stat spot so like on the left top left, you can see like the all stats. Like total members, the members and the bots like as a community grows like you, don't have to go scroll right side and see like how many are real people. How many are bots in that case that helps us.

D

Then I've had me six bots so like so. Basically, these boards are customizable so like they have to. You have to enable some features, and you can customize lots of things like if you see or so yeah. So what I remember.

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D

Like we uh like, we can have custom commands created so, like suppose, on the the bottom channel, you can find this command so that we have enabled right now so like we can search for google folders, you can search for google user folder and also as like. We can also have some custom keywords, like suppose, someone searches for like um request in the like in the chat message, so the board can automatically play so you can set up the bot as well and also we have added a welcome message so like when someone joins.

D

You might have seen the welcome message that we have generated here. So that's just short and simple. So that's one thing that we have done using music bot.

D

uh Then we have had a pin code so like so currently we have a youtube channel that we like put our like videos up to so like pink water, basically tests that whenever we post a new video it likes sends a notification out in the like in the general channel, like this videos up along with the link and as long as the title that it was uploaded and similar like when we are starting a live stream or some preview kind of thing.

D

So like it was a reminder as well as when they go live, it will definitely notify as well. So there's also like a lot of things that we can do like we have twitter like we can deal with twitter. We can integrate with a twitch. So like facebook pages, so like it's the possibilities endless so that's for spin chord, then nano and uh yak pd so like so yak pd helped me to create this start here section so like uh so like steve, like had an idea like we can like.

D

Whenever someone joins that discord, they only will see this particular three channels, like the welcome channel like the welcome introduction, and also we have a code of conduct so until unless that guy accepts the code of conduct, he will not be able to like access our complete server. You cannot see any anything else, so the only three things that he sees when he joins. He or she thinks series is the welcome the code open and the bot comments only so like steve had you to like integrate that with the discord as well.

D

So that's like what that's all like brief over you like what we have done.

B

Nice job now does this show up for all the channels under ortilius like yeah, so like.

D

So like for most of the channels, like most of the comments, will work on general like we have customized that to try to.

D

Understand, like only like suppose the command say github, it will only work on a depth. It's like basically like it wears peaceful and.

A

Also, some fun commands.

D

Like chuck, norris facts or like create a poll or like flip a coin, so that's fun. Facts as well,.

B

D

So, like there's endless possibility that what we can do with this, like listening mentioned, like we had, we had done this code of content like acceptance. We can also like, like the autoresponder, then like as a community, goes. We can also. We also have auto moderation so like when we can block particular set of words and if they are getting repeated, we can also kick or ban that user. So that's also a possibility that we have down the line.

C

So tracy it's like kind of like um the.

C

Widget that we have on our deploy hub site, where you can ask it questions yep, so that capability is available through these bots as well. We just have to put the keywords behind it: yep and where we want to direct the people, but that is available. um We chrome did some basic stuff around that, but um just to see what capabilities it has, but we can definitely expand, expand that out down the road.

B

Nice and then can we uh integrate a link to the developer's guide once we have that done or how does that? How would it be.

D

Yeah custom command or we can have a read-only channel right on the on the start. Here section we can have guides, we can get a particular category and we can add our guides there, like a read-only channel so like we can. So, though, only the admins can like edit that, while other guys they can see- and they can click on that link so like we can have that as well.

B

Nice, cool, okay, perfect, so siddhartha and I will get working on that. uh That document for the developer's guide, then.

A

So I just wanted to update, I created an issue for that too 178. I'll update it.

B

Okay, thank you. Okay,.

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B

Yeah one thing that.

D

Like steve- and I had like a brief talk about so we wanted to discuss in this forum so like right now, this particular bot that music has a kind of uh like a gamification of like who guys, which guys are chatting more, and so it creates a kind of a leaderboard that you can see.

B

Yeah, the leaderboard is fun, isn't it.

D

Yeah so like steve, like I had some skeptical like, should we include that or not because uh uh so, like I don't know like, we don't want to like create a game. We want to create gamification but like a level balance level field for everyone, so like some guys are not that active, but some are guys. Are there so like? We don't want to like highlight that part so steve like that was my point, so I want to discuss like what do you guys think.

C

Yeah, so this is where it the the gamification can get skewed, because um it's you know if you like. You said: if you have an offline activity where you're doing um like meetings or uh dealing with the website or something like that, you're, probably not in you, know, you're kind of doing it on your own you're. Not it's not very collaborative um you're, not gonna, be throwing a lot of messages out onto the channel, so your your level um is going to be lower than somebody they uh like croms who's been testing.

C

This, who has a the higher uh message count so something that we just had to keep in the back of our mind of how we should handle.

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B

Will give us a a understanding if we, if we're looking at let's say individuals who really just want to focus on support we'll be able to? This will be able to give us an idea of who's, really answering a lot of questions right, yeah, just.

D

Like that's the point that it can highlight, as well like like steve, had mentioned two-edged sword.

B

Which, I think is yeah. It has value because somebody who's answering questions may not be doing a lot of commits, so I feel like what we're going to find are different leaderboards, so to speak for for different interactions.

B

So, for example, if we build out the discourse uh a forum and people are posting, just you know just technical information that will have its own kind. You know creating threads that may have its own kind of leaderboard. So I think what we'll have to do is create a combination of all of these to get an idea of you know if you're in this persona of the develop of the open source, you're doing you're working as a support person. This is where you're going to get your badges from.

C

Yeah, I think exactly, I think it's going to have to be a combination of things to figure out the the reward system.

B

And I'll try to get some time this my last week was really crazy. Busy I'm gonna get try to get some more time to spend on uh some of this stuff and work with karim on understanding what ladders we need to have and then from there the um the reward system, the badges I'm going to see if we can't get um using um what was that other one? It was discourse, the other one was uh that did the badges badges.I badges.os.

B

I think it's called I'll look at some of those a claim.

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A claim so in the past I have seen I've received badges from a claim for presenting to a conference. I have.

B

To and I have to see if there it's free or not, and then I don't think the cdf has a standard.

B

Badging system for every project, I will look at a claim, though, and what was the other one that you had there's a couple: there's an open source, one called badges. It's not very.

A

Sophisticated, I don't think a game is free.

C

Oh yeah, but we may be able to get the um cdf to pay for it, pay for it. So if it's a reasonable amount.

C

um It was interesting, I did it um from the hackathon they did give badges out, but they ended up redirecting you to a um like a a forum uh page where you your, where your badge shows up. So it was weird, like you had to sign up for this other, like dev.t.o website, to claim your badge and then you're part of that community now as part of getting trying to claim the badge for hacktoberfest.

C

So I was a little disappointed in that where it just pushed me off to another website as part of that batching process.

B

Well well, well, grima is on it, so she may know some of these and give us some ideas, so at least somebody's taking it on to say, they're, going to focus just on that for right now, which is always helpful.

D

uh Steve I had a look at great call like bitcoin the page that was shared.

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D

So like as I liked loading with my github account, so I couldn't see that for the issues we can like create and we can, we can reward the contributor like when the request is full request, is sexual inverse in that case, like automatic contact executes, and we can lag like would you say, uh reward the contributor for his work.

C

D

Like so, I could see two options like one was for, like a cryptocurrency, another other was for usd like. Is there.

C

The one I've seen as a cryptocurrency, um it's typically the the easier one, because it's um it's country neutral.

D

And also like when we like logging, with our greet up account, you get a uh like the the github coin. Bitcoin like ask you to like, like it has four options for like crypto wallet, so you can integrate with anyone out there.

C

Right yeah, it was um the where we've seen that um happen before. Is you end up putting a a contribute like a contribute button where people can contribute money and they contribute um and that's how we get to get more funds to run. It is by getting end users to contribute a few um dollars here and there. So it's a it's like a kind of like a two-person pro two-step process, one we gotta get money and the other one. We gotta gotta award that money.

D

Right so like that's, the question like I was seeing like the rates of 250 dollars and 500 dollars was, but in some ways so I was like. Where are we going to get some funding for like how we are going to pay them?.

C

Yeah be nice to get paid. 500 is an issue.

B

That'd, be nice.

C

um There is one other thing on the oh, um the.

C

As part of the um the uh the discord code of conduct, um we need to uh validate that against our.

C

Our cla, so the contributor license agreement uh and one of the things is the linux foundation, runs a uh a program called easy. Cla, basically uses docusign. In the background to manage everybody's agreements.

C

I think that's one of the things that we'll need to do is hook in the the cl. The linux foundation, easy cla.

C

But the one thing I wasn't sure on that front was um uh when we should ask people to sign uh a cla, because one of the tricky parts is you don't want to ask them for a cla right off the bat. You know, because they're not quite sure whether they what participation uh that they want to.

C

You know what level participation they just want to be a fly on the wall or if they really want to get in and do coding changes and then the whole range in between. So that's going to be something that we need to look at is when when should we start pushing the cla and the verification?

C

You know one of the things I thought about was we leave it um basically open until somebody needs to go and do a commit again. You know like a coding change, because they're actually doing some coding change and there's a uh the github repo. I think at that point we'll definitely need the cla uh in place, but something like giving a person access to the shared google docs like these, um these working group meetings. I personally feel that we can um skip the cla for for these. At this level,.

C

So, just just a heads up, that's on the horizon that we may need to dive in deeper. On that that whole process is one of the things I'm worried about is um scaring people off when we start asking them to start signing things. You know right away.

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Code of conduct.

C

The the code of conduct is, you know, basically behave while you, you know, you know, you're going to be treated well and just behave. Well, that's that one most people can sign without having to you know go go, get an attorney involved, but when you get into the cla there they can be a little more.

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uh Chrome, did you get my.

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Message about changing the the code of conduct to ours from that other um website.

D

No, no, I didn't want any messages.

C

Okay, I'll I'll raise it up again for you, we just needed to link to ours instead of the other project that we uh he pulled. It from our wording will be just slightly different.

D

Also, like you want to make like directly copy that our code of conduct and mention that or like how do you want to proceed.

C

I'll I'll work with you offline on it I'll touch.

B

C

With you, after this, it's no big deal.

C

Okay, does everybody have their their beer and donuts figured out for tomorrow.

B

Not yet, but I'm gonna go get some.

B

Tonight we have quite a few people signed up for it. I'm wondering how many people I can have on a single zoom meeting.

C

I think up to 500.

B

I think that's for a webinar, though maybe oh, that's, just a regulation.

B

Let's hope we have that problem right.

C

C

Okay, well, thank you. Everybody uh we'll see you tomorrow morning.

B

Thanks everyone.

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