Continuous Delivery Foundation Technical Oversight Committee, 13 Sep 2022

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A

Hello, hello, uh welcome to the city of RTC meeting today's September 13th, so many of uh TLC members and the City of THC contributors, hyperpuncher Summit in Dublin, so we don't have that many people participating for me, but still we have everything.

A

So we have a few topics on there on our agenda, so you mini Summit, which is going right now. Then you keep going North America um project update, then State, use of storage programs, airports and governance, ambassador program and other topics so even understand correct government. You want to move it up right.

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So, let's just.

A

Do it like that, so what do you would you like to summarize the news.

C

Yeah we had a room for 60 people for CD mini site, which happened on Monday uh morning this week and under them Earth, but uh we had like 30 40 people in general attending, so it was good at endless because the event was organized last minute. It.

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C

Encouraging and other event we will have is the CD Summit co-locate, with kubecon and I think we have received about 40 proposals and currently the program committee is reviewing those proposals and we hope to have the early schedule available next week or week after next. So that is also good like number of proposals. It is full day event, and that is all about the events updates.

A

Yeah so you'll get about 40 proposals for coupon rate yeah 40. because um yeah, for example, we organizing Captain Community Day, and they actually, we are quite short on the proposals. So if we needed probably a supportive speed, may may have some capacity for comment sessions like round tables or workshops. We can see how we could accommodate that.

C

Yeah once the cfp is done, I can reach out to you like, uh and we can talk about like if some of the way this talks could perhaps fit.

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C

Captain day, if you know yeah.

A

So we are doing some bits of application website all through because yeah there is a bunch of proposals on that I just posted into the chat, so it might be one of the options.

A

Okay, any Avenues. You would like to share.

A

From me, so the next topic is Ambassador programming, CDF project collaboration. Would you like to summarize it yeah.

B

Can you please share your screen.

B

So, for those who don't know me, I am the chair for the ambassador program. I come primarily uh from an I.T background, with a lot of experience in Telco, I work for Ericsson, full-time and uh the reason I'm here today is we have a lot of action on the ambassador program. A few things which we have done so far is we connected with the Outreach committee and we want to um strategize how we engage uh with the member projects.

B

So we have a working group which is the member projects working group in the ambassador program itself, and we want to initiate more synergies with the member projects. How ambassador program can bring value to these member projects? We had asked all the member projects to provide us input where they want us to participate. We got two member projects who have responded to our queries: Jenkins, X and otrellis. You can see on the document itself.

B

I've shared this all like with you and a number of other people, but if you go down um yeah so focus on this table because we focus on the table. No, so we have got these inputs from these two member projects. How they want us to participate, so they have requirements on documentation, they want contributors, they want some kind of a roles like Community manager, product or project manager.

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They also want us to create some blog post videos and marketing material.

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um Some of these projects, especially Australia's, has uh requirement from for experts specialized skill set, naming a few are like blockchain experts and then from Jenkins perspective. They're also looking for us to participate in, you know documenting use cases and promoting their use cases in the outside community.

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So what we have done is I created this map the table, because we wanted to see where are the synergies asbs? We are a small group of people, uh not everybody is expert in member projects, but we can do uh something which relates to the competence of these ambassadors.

B

Ambassadors are generally mid, senior to senior people, so I would say- and this is something which I wanted to have. Your feedback on is a recommendation from the ambassador program. That ambassadors should be engaged in promotional activities like adding blog posts, or you know, marketing material or doing talks, or something like that. We can contribute to that and we would like to put this in the roadmap.

B

Obviously, we will have to engage with all the member projects to kind of see um who are the reviewers or blog post, if you're doing a talk, if they need to do a sanity check on that, we can, you know, know collaborate with these projects as far as the documentation goes, I would suggest- and this is only from Ambassador perspective, and this is for feedback.

B

We believe that this is something which should be taken by Toc, because if we have documentation guidelines, so obviously ambassadors can support it, but the ambassadors cannot build those guidelines or build those kind of artifacts without Toc support. So this is something which I I believe that is subject to discussion. uh The third point which we have mentioned is uh the ambassadors can be a product or a project or a community manager.

B

We pretty much can do that, because a lot of people in the ambassador program are coming from that background when it comes to exports or Specialties. um The recommendation here is that we will collate this information for the next cohort, which will start in some somewhere around January. So we will. uh We will take these inputs from the member projects.

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If you have specific requirements of specific experts, when we are selecting these people's ambassadors, we will take into consideration uh these requirements and last, but not the least contributors like coders or testers, or people like that. I believe that this is more from a community perspective. Community Builders, which can help ambassadors, can also support, but this is not something which specifically, ambassadors, will uh have a okr on.

B

So basically, this is something which is very general and I would say that everybody should reach out to the general slack Channel if they need contributors, but we cannot just commit to health contributors for the member projects. So this is our recommendations uh again. This is the purpose of this. uh Presenting here is to get feedback, and also once we have finalized. This, we will have to put the Google form in place to uh you know, make it more specific and present it to the ambassadors.

B

Yeah, so any input any feedback on this. Obviously we have this document yeah.

A

So very good Destruction for a second um yeah, so for me yeah it would be nice to get perspective from other projects. uh Well generally, the points are all correct um for me: oh I'm, not a big fan of blockchain. To be honest, but uh all the rest. Why not.

C

Yeah when it comes to like how this could map into our Outreach discussions or like marketing aspects of CDF,.

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C

Have been having some conversations with Roxanne Cara and few others from different projects to get some kind of you know continuous uh of say, Publications for different projects, but it is difficult to you know: do this with few people and if ambassadors could help bridge the gap between like rocks and us and the projects to get that you know type of blog posts available, then we can help get them. You'll Market it and you know, share it on socialism.

C

So that's why, when I met with Karima I, think that part like increasing the visibility of the projects we have within CDF would be very helpful to attract new contributors, for example,.

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B

You cannot say AWS managed services for blockchain if that is helpful for Australia. So maybe we can keep this in mind and uh for the next cohort. So this is good input. uh Oleg again, I I have a consensus on this that all the member projects should give their requirements. Unfortunately, we are not able to get the requirements and if Toc can help us with that, that would be.

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Have started to continue its Outreach committee, um we only have uh requirements from two member.

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Because, just one or two months ago we had a meeting with participants, for example from Jenkins and Dick Tom, discussing how we could improve ambassador's program and I'm. Pretty sure that this is one of the topics we discussed. uh So for me the question is whether you're in sync, with loading on this matter, where.

B

Is sorry, I I have a hard time to hear.

A

Larosa, the new chair of Outreach Committee in the CDF she was also reaching out to projects to get feedback and, for example, from Jenkins. We had four people participating, providing feedback, especially about the ambassador program. We also had Captain represented as one friendly project. It was me we had a tick tock project represented by the co-correct here, so I wonder whether some information got lost in communication, because at that meeting we will talking about sorry yeah.

B

I can check with Laurie. This is going.

B

This is good, so if let's say there is some other information and some other projects who have reported the requirements, I can again check with her, but I have not received any other requirements.

A

And, for example, I'm, a member of Jenkins I, have never seen a request to drink this project, to provide feedback, so I wonder how you reached out, because definitely we have some issues with communication and we can close them uh through the TOC but yeah. So the question how we communicate these projects.

B

At the moment, yeah, so how we reached out I can answer that question. So we had a meeting with the Outreach committee. We had uh put that requirement on Outreach committee to reach out to the member projects and let us know what their requirements are. So these are the two projects where I got the requirements from obviously I uh I can check with Laurie I know that she was busy with some other engagements. So maybe uh there are other projects who have reported some other requirements, but I'm not aware of it.

B

So I believe that this is the proper Channel, um the Outreach committee. The role of Outreach committee is to kind of engage with the manual member projects and the.

A

Yeah Google look at the moment, so I can find the meeting thoughts, but yeah we had everything uh just a few weeks after Lori stepped up with certain Euro and yeah.

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Most of the discussion was about ambassador program and how we actually could make Ambassador could help ambassadors to be efficient, because one of our problems right now is that we have a bunch of ambassadors, but basically we don't provide them with information with these resources as a foundation and at the same time the level of engagement right now doesn't feel to be a bit too big. So if we could fix that the day, it was one of my points. It could be made much more efficient.

B

Right so I have.

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The information I have received from through Fati and an Outreach chair. We started with documenting what is the role of the Ambassador chair, the ambassador program. What are the working groups? We have, what is community Builder group? How do we recruit uh ambassadors? What is the process of you know enrolling into ambassador program, all that information we have documented so that people should not. You know, lack that communication.

B

So that's the first step the Second Step was to actually uh there are four groups, four working groups, so one of the working group was the member project and I hear some concerns from the Outreach committee through Laurie that we need to do more. So that's the reason why we age out to the member projects. We have created this document. Obviously uh it's not enough. It needs Improvement.

B

So if, let's say oh, like you have some inputs or you can help us uh build this perspective for other projects, please uh include those requirements in the document. I will continue to.

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um You know improve this uh for the member projects. That's the.

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Thing, which is how we show communication, because we have the same open questions.

A

Multiple times uh this year, including discussions with Michelle, when someone tries to reach out to the projects literally, they cannot find how to do that. For many projects we have various ideas about project leads, but I'm not aware about any project who would have a kind of Project, Lead I, don't know. This is still.

C

Yeah I might have contributed that because, like when Lori uh joined cdfsr, which commented chair she reached out asking like who she should be reaching out from projects and since all the projects use different communication channels like if you look at shipwright, Jenkins CD events or like techtone, they're, all different mediums and we I think I passed Glory a list of maintainers. It's not project this, but maintainers core maintenance from these different projects, and that may be the way how the communication happen towards the projects, because, as I not like the communication mediums are different.

C

So we needed some guidance from projects. So that is a part of the issue and the other for long term and as you highlighted Oleg, the Outreach committee or artery strategy is the topic for septembers or next week's gardening board strategic session and Laurie and Michelle and garima working on like how this could be more. You know transparent, and everyone knows how we are working with Outreach and other stuff that will be discussed during next week's governing board meeting.

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Would be great to have all these entities yeah I'm totally in power of Community Builders of working group, uh where we just need to make things public and available to everyone. Yeah.

B

That's great, so I think this is a good starting point. We have started to identify the Strategic gaps and we'll continue to improve it, but I would see that Outreach committee has a prime ownership of connecting and communicating uh their the needs of the member projects towards the ambassador program and we uh from Ambassador chair perspective, I have invited Laurie and fathi both to our ambassador meetings, monthly meetings as a standing agenda, so they can also communicate directly to the Ambassador Group, which was not happening uh earlier.

B

So I think that is one thing which we have also improved. If let's say Toc wants to be represented there, I can invite one of the TOC members as well on the standing agenda, foreign.

B

Yeah so oh like do you want to have a representation in the monthly meeting Ambassador meeting.

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B

You can just happen.

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At the time, which is not very possible for me, because I've been I'm based in Europe, uh so yeah even the time it's usable I will join but yeah, it would be better to have someone from the U.S participating.

B

Right so you can nominate someone for for the Ambassador group and then we can take it forward from there. uh The meeting is at 11 o'clock EST, so it should be okay with you.

B

Okay, so I have another item on the agenda.

D

uh I had one question: so I tried to access the Google Docs, uh but I don't have access to it. Can you grant me access yeah.

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D

uh So I saw that uh Jenkins X was in the list, so who was the person from Jenkins X? Who uh requested the the thing.

B

It must be some one of the maintainers I guess: I, don't have the name on top of the Mind.

D

Okay, if, if you can put, you know, like the person who you know like contacted also next to the project, might help, because you know.

B

Okay, so I have another uh item on the list.

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Can you share your screen.

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Okay, so and the next one is about Asda from the use of stories right or which one.

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A security, uh oh.

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How we can engage in the security part of uh the CDF engagements, so the um the in idea was that we have a few ambassadors who are security specialists in their own domains. Obviously they don't work as such for a member projects, but if, let's say we do audits on um on need basis or or in in certain regular time frame for the CDF projects, they can be, uh you know they can participate first of all and if let's say we think that they can create value, we can also have some people.

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You know just constantly supporting these member projects. With some security initiatives, I mean the idea was to see if, uh in the longer run, CDF can create some kind of a security. uh You know service for these member projects, just to kind of have a overall view on how this security aspect is integrated into these open source projects.

A

So I wonder what kind of services you keep in mind, so announcements protest ranges may be, is it what you mean or any other kind of service.

B

So what initially I would suggest is just not jumping on the solution. Part thinking about you know how we can participate in these security audits, which is happening from a third party perspective, showed me that there was a third party uh which was engaged in security auditing. These.

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uh Yes, I think one of the things or like and others you know in QRC projects, onboarding and graduation process. The security is one of the things you know when a project wants to graduate. It is asked like.

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You have like security audits done for the project or are you you know? Do you have like openness of badge and so on so ambassadors? Could you know the interest of people or like the people, experience in security could perhaps have to ocm project. You know help it to check this, for example, and take part in those audits like as a third party like neutral party, like not from third party company running to audit or not from the project path, but some kind of neutral, Observer or whatever.

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Makes total sense so the security process and the security process is public. Zombies like open, necessary page is also public. It's reviewable by anyone. So of course, Outreach committee, as any other entity could be involved.

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um Yeah I was rather thinking. What is the specific value the projects could get in today? So I mostly thought actually about announcements and propagation of this information to end users, uh because it's one of the common issues so that, even if you have a security release, you need to communicate it properly, which.

B

Is always complicated, but if you talk about the audit, it's completely different thing. For me, right I was thinking about these two things. uh When we we talk about ambassadors program, um there are two sides of the coin ambassadors themselves, so ambassadors will start to question. What are we getting out of it? You know because they contribute through their valuable time. So if, let's say we give them the opportunity to participate in these kind of security, Audits and security, uh you know initiatives which we have within CDF.

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Obviously, we broaden the perspective around security as well as, if, let's say these contributors or ambassadors can be okay, I am a security specialist CDF like as an ambassador. It will give them some kind of uh fulfillment and also some learning around how they can take their career into a different kind of a dimension. So I always think about the people, because I am the chair for the Ambassador group. Also from a member project perspective, there can be a lot of services which can be created around it.

B

Obviously, um we need to brainstorm a little bit more on it like how we can create that kind of a security uh officer role uh which can be taken forward by ambassadors and if it's a third party kind of a Observer or to start with that, can be one of the services or initiatives we can see. If it creates value to the projects, then we can take the next step in the maturity model.

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So um yeah, that's for sure uh one question about people.

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um Do we have a masters at the moment who are looking for such kind of opportunities, uh because if we are I think we can reach out to projects and ask what they're looking for because so far we have only one project that had external security audit techno, none of other projects headed to the best of my knowledge, some projects.

A

Well, for example, Jenkins, has a quite established security process, their own security team, a security officer, but for other projects that are just starting that they're prepaying to go through the certification, even open, an ssf page. If somebody is interested to contribute, it could be a valuable help.

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Interested right now, then, we can connect them because I'm pretty sure they would be interested projects and maintenance for particular components.

B

Yeah so I take that as one of the actions from this meeting I can ask about specific interest on such kind of you know initiative. Obviously, uh initially they will be associated with the member project on the security side of it, um and then maybe uh fatty. We can discuss more on how we can create the specific kind of a role or engagement for being a third party. Observer I think that that is a good uh starting point or good. You know the first step in this process.

C

Yeah because I don't think like expected, you know like what are the role, roles and responsibilities for such things and then.

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Can ask these projects saying that this is the type of uh contribution number Source could make and then, based on that, we can bring that topic back to Toc again.

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B

Can anyone help me with this? Obviously I can collect more thoughts on it, but if somebody in this fora can help me with some kind of brainstorming, that would be great.

C

Or we take the Jenkins uh documents, just put me the link there or like uh if you could check the link if it is the right link or you can take some input from this document and start simply.

A

Yeah this correct, so I can show how it's organized engine, because just.

C

Because that is.

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Yeah, so basically we have a kind of framework uh with advisor is, is reporting so all the bits which are common and all the bits which have common guidelines for, for example, if you go through open, ssf uh certification process, you will have to establish these processes. There are recommendations from open ssf, so you don't have to follow how Jenkins implements it.

A

What is specific for Jenkins is yeah the security team, so we have a security officer which is basically an elected role for a person who needs all the security effort and coordinates that and a team which consists of multiple, individual and Company contributors that are interested in stability in cases like, for example, in back ports of security, fixes, etc, etc, and everyone can join this team, so basically the security team iterates as a separate entity in Jenkins it has been quite efficient, so maximum we had been 12 people, there participated on a regular basis and yeah.

A

It was super helpful for continuing big fixes. For example, we had cases when we had to release something like 50 plugins. Not everything was released with fixes, but quite a lot of them. Also, a lot of stories like technical debt, dependency, updates, etc, etc, which are common for security topics, are driven by the steel.

A

So, if you're interested, we can invite. uh Basically people who built this team, for example Daniel Beck, who has been janky security officer for five years or what it following year, who's the current security officer so that they could speak about the project and how they handled it.

A

So if there is a venue, we could easily invite them to talk about the topics.

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Some names that would be great, maybe I, put it on my agenda for the Ambassador meeting, where you know somebody can talk about how security officer role Works in Jenkins and maybe like taking that step forward document the security officer role for the ambassadors, which we are asking for and see. If there is any alignment with any of these neighbor projects, I think that yeah I put the.

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Names to the edge and the document, so you can just take them from that from there.

B

Access to the document, so you just have to ask access from me and I can share it. If you don't have it. Okay,.

D

I have access now I mean I can uh see the docs. Thank you.

B

Thank you, okay. Thank you. Bye, bye for now.

A

Thanks, bye, okay, um thanks or to government; let's glance through other topics, so you have a question for peace and how it's going with uh onboarding kit.

C

Yeah, so we uh received information and documentation from uh the LF legal, which I put the cons I received on the document as well draft technical Charter project for project, technical governance, body to review project contribution agreements to be reviewed and signed by jfrock in this case, and serious agreement for forming the Persia project, and these documents are shared with like Steve, Steve, Taylor, sutindra and Laurie, and currently we are waiting for to hear back from them to see. If there are any.

C

You know concerns with the documents, because documents needs to be reviewed with by the jfrog legal team as well. So but it's progressing and once we get the signed documents back, it should be pretty quick to finalize the legal onboarding as well and then I suppose we will be pretty. You know closer to announcing this officially during coupon.

C

That's all Persia.

A

Okay, thank you.

C

The next topic should I talk about that as well: yep, okay, so some of you might know we create these uh guidelines like 10 of them last couple of months, and one of them was like user stories, uh guidelines which is like simply case studies, and we have been talking with few uh of the companies contributing to CDF and users, and we received the first case study contribution draft version yesterday and that is currently being revealed by Roxanne for editorial and once we finalize the reviews and so on, we will send it to LF creative team and get that uh ready for publishing and another case study.

C

Discussions are happening which we will probably have draft end of September or something like that and so yeah. Those are the two cases we are working on and we have one more case study which we are waiting, an input or update about. So if you know anyone wants to contribute case, studies just tell them to reach out to using this that made address, and then you can pass the guidelines as well.

A

Yeah, it's the eligibility requirement or just any end user of the cicd tools.

C

We kind of want to have this a bit relaxed like if you are a vendor, for example, and if you know one of your you know, customers are doing great job with some of the open source, CD Technologies. You can write the case study together, so as long as it is like neutral, so you like anyone from vendor companies could also take part in contributing case studies.

A

Yeah, that's nice.

C

Because we don't have any case studies at the most and we want to get people talk about the projects, how they are using it, what kind of challenges they have, how they are addressing those challenges, yeah so.

A

One formation so Jenkins had the Jenkins is the way program where we collected quite a lot of case studies and short quotes. So maybe, if you reach out to Alisa Tonk, she could share some of the key studies, Etc or maybe even for the publishing, because sometimes maybe was the population. Maybe there are some leads that haven't been delivered yet so coaching because it could be one of opportunities.

A

The way um well, actually, it was just moved to um Jenkins sayon before that it was a separate site, um but here you can find quite a lot of big stories and also cases that is published.

C

Yeah I'll take a look at it: yeah, okay, yes thanks yeah.

A

Okay, anything else on end user stories.

C

Well, we hope to we will announce it during kubecon, maybe or depending on how fast how fast we can get the first two case, studies available.

A

Yeah, maybe it's something we could ask, and the user uh Representatives to facilitate at least Network Emily.

E

Yeah, this is something that I thought about quite often, especially with a lot of the customers that I work with and how cool it would be to have a way for them to case study or, have you know examples? I know we try to stay neutral, especially vendor neutral, um just to make it more open, but the reality is is that we have so much Theory and everything out there. We actually, we need examples of actual implementations for people, so I love. This idea, I've got some ideas for you. We have.

E

You know people from different projects present all of the time at the interoperability group I'm certain that there are several of those who would love to put forth case studies.

A

Yeah so once we have CDF reference architecture, we when somebody starts implementing it, at least to some extent it could be one of opportunities uh to actually be more vendoring it from because you basically base your case study on CDA preference architecture, not on a particle of a project. Well, all of us know that there would be still uh building blocks and some decision points, but still at least could be mapped to General flow.

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Anything else on the user stories.

A

And let's move on so the next topic is seek work stream governance who did propose.

C

Yeah I put it together as well. uh What happens uh a month ago, during special interest group software supply chain meeting was date when there and few others came up with an idea to focus on uh creating a smaller group to work on supply, chain security, maturity model and the response to our response.

C

That was like okay, we had something similar in the past around events in cicd and that worked under the work stream setup, which is kind of independent from the seek but hosts within music, and what we did basically took that governings from special interest group interability and put it to software's by Chain, seek which is like same document as the C interability. That.

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Maybe, since this is well proven process, cigarettes was created based on this project process and later on, turn to see the events. Maybe we can make this governance model for work stream, a common document rather than duplicating it in under different sigrepos. We can promote it to your C foreign.

A

So, for example, in the cncf there is a common practice of working groups, which is basically the same. This work stream I guess uh what is probably more explicit in the work stream that the stream is expected to be closed, sometimes well, unless you use C, plus plus- um and in this case so working group, basically the same in CCF. But maybe we could just take a bunch of documentation from there and the line is dead or we have.

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Do group we have inner Source commands that also try to provide common Frameworks for such chapters. So for me, one question is whether we should have our own documentation or should just contribute to existing one to.

C

Our duplication, I, don't think there would be much easier specifics there. It's either way like I, guess works. This is just to make sure that we have some kind of guideline in place like if someone else comes and says like we want a smaller group focusing on this specific topic like it doesn't leave like four years like R6, but it can be. You know, concept, there's actually its targets goals within six months and it gets archived and turns into a seagull project or whatever so like just to have single uh guideline.

A

Yeah, it makes total sense so for putting guideline and yes for sure, just for template, because there are some common entities like read me I would to mention how to list interested parties or participating parties, whether you need governing body. If, yes, what would be the best best practices so with some Basics, and if you already have General guidelines, it was 100 for having a documented lady just makes sense to integrate it somewhere to the Upstream so that we don't have to maintain our own framework.

C

Yeah I can take a look at the cncr process to see if, like they.

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C

Sometimes yeah things may be heavier yeah.

A

It seems to be quite light, but, to be honest, I still need to find that kind of official documentation. What is working group in the cncf, because, whether it's just copy paste from one place to another or whether they actually have fixed them.

F

So my my sensor, I guess I- was part of this event that was created in the second probability, and it was, it was very, very lightweight I mean we could get started at the same week as we decided to have the work streaming. The only thing that we did with us was to create another Google Document. So.

E

Sorry another GitHub document.

F

And the GitHub representative represented documents, so we can start taking our notes and we got I think we used the same same YouTube channel. That's the same interoperability for those meetings as well, so I mean everything was more or less prepared for us. One thing that we could maybe benefit if it would be raised to a like a CDF.

F

A well-known concept of work streams is that it could also be announced on the website, I guess uh under or next to the six somehow. So we can see that these are the current work streams and, if you're interested in this work stream, it belongs to the Sig or whatever. And then you can come there and and do your stuff.

C

I I took AP of looking at cncf documents and if, in.

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C

I can simply copy the existing group stream. Read me into qlc and put it for review, and if we don't find anything like is lightweight I think that that's the first step you can just copy. Basically.

A

What terminal strategies so that having it as lightweight as possible for participants or putting it on the website? Etc all of us know what it requires. Some hopes, and sometimes it takes a while even for projects yeah, if you could get it fixed, then I think that should be fine. Yeah yeah GitHub repository should be good enough for many types of promotion, for example social, media Etc. You can just put the link.

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If there is some notion of that in the documentation, okay, so foreign.

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Ml, so for CD events, we still have 10K allocated and we still haven't really started anything with this 10K and actually I'm one of the people to blame, because I took a few action items like creating caliphx mentorship. Looking for a documentation, contributor and I dropped the double everything every election.

A

Apologies for that, um but yeah it's still. There is a question of what we could do as a project, and one of the items that was brought up before and brought up today is actually improving to the website, including QX, including the possibility of the information. So we have money we actually need somebody to work on. That is that correct.

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That, yesterday, as well, uh if it's I mean what would be a good way to spend that money or to use that money uh and I think the best idea that we came up with, which wouldn't require too much mentorship from ourselves me and Andrea, and others in the group would be to more or less show the website to someone who is a well-known people knows Lots about how to create attractive websites and make that more contain a better eye capture whatever so that people get directly the idea of what serial dance is and also something that catches their eyes.

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I was. We were thinking about some short short promo video, but I'm, not sure if what that would be about really and how it would look, but some something very simple that could also be embedded into such a website, but that will probably requires some more some more effort from from ourselves as well, but at least I'm not sure. If that's it I, don't think it's a technical writer type of kind guy. It's rather graphical person. That knows how to best structure a website in the immediately.

A

Okay, so what I was thinking about is actually trying to partner is various Refugee programs, because currently there is a lot of Engineers and developers looking for jobs around Europe, for example, with the current market, is still a bit difficult to find job, especially for those who are not fluent in local languages, but maybe we could offer it as one of opportunities.

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So basically just posting programs. Certain coverage, for example, I, put split in power coders in Switzerland. So by saying these opportunities here and then maybe we could find a contributor.

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And I don't have find your name right away.

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Just thinking out loud, if I would jump into someone on the open source Summit here in Dublin, what could I say that we can offer.

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Well, we can offer- let's say something like 5 to 10K stupid, based on the size of the project. We can definitely offer a scope of work and there's certain opportunity to make a difference. So if she demons takes off, it would be quite an important project. So I think that this is what we could offer.

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So the money are located so once we find a good candidate, we can just kick off. So if you use LFX mentorship as a platform or anything else, basically, it's up to projects to define the selection criteria, that's normal to bring in someone with whom you have a kind of preliminary agreement.

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um We did it at the same formula, for example for Jenkins when we were doing Koji, Cask uh plugins, so I think that if you find someone who might be interested okay, you can have her offer. Basically everything we have.

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Which is not that much but for in terms of program is quite a good opportunity.

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Yeah uh does the fun come from you know like CDF, or do the projects get the fund themselves because I tried to so uh Jenkins X? Actually, you know like floated a project, uh but it's still, you know like pending. So I I, don't know about about. uh You know like I mean like where, so, where do we get the funds from? What was the question so.

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Physically the events that was allocated by that you see last year, okay, so the basically CDF funds we still have 10K to allocate for this year, which we need to think about, uh but yeah then for the projects he's basically either finding on your own or participating in existing program or finding any users or any other member company that would be willing to sponsor it.

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Okay, so is you know like 10K allocated to every project uh you know like every year or not.

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No, it's allocated to the TOC okay, but uh yeah, it's possible to discuss it. So I'm not sure what this budget.

D

Is like for the next year, but it's possible to discuss and some opportunities in the foundation. Okay,.

A

So if you have a proposal, it's definitely um a good opportunity to make a suggestion in by the group, because usually it's easier to take money than to find money than to find mentors and people who are interested to drive such projects.

D

Yeah I I have a proposal and uh I am willing to Mentor, so um I mean we have been doing it for you know like gsol, so it's kind of like after G-Shock so not like during g-sauce, because then I don't have any time so yeah, okay,.

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You can discuss it and G-Shock for a project ends this week right. Yes,.

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uh Yes, that's that's, you know like Google, so two candidates.

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Items just to brainstorm ideas and to try finding finding someone, so we have basically OSS Summit or other similar events. If anyone participates, you can talk about opportunities. At least one of uh Captain mantis is going to the OSS Summit in Dublin by the way, um and um basically doing some Outreach.

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It is something you could probably take with Roxanne and together. Just try to put this topic forward.

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So any other ideas how we could promote it: foreign.

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Try to do some business synchronously but yeah. My apologies to Amelia and the team that I actually didn't deliver on my ancient items. I took on basic.

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And we didn't provide any good proposals either. So that's some both of the states yeah now.

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For the documentation idea, I communicated the foreign.

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Okay, so I think that's it for today. Yes, so the next meeting is 27th of September. uh We don't have any major events there, so I think we can just go, keep it as is Yahoo, and also the meeting right away, and if you have anything, just put it to the agenda.

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Okay, so thanks a lot to everyone. Thank you.

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