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A
Hello,
welcome
to
the
cdf
technical
oversight
committee
meeting
today
is
april
12th.
We
have
eight
contributors
on
the
call
thanks
to
everyone
for
joining,
so
what
we
have
in
our
agenda
for
today
we
have
some
introductions
because
there
were
changes
in
project
leadership,
etc.
B
Sure
I'll
just
see
if
my
video
will
actually
start
here,
we
go
hi,
so
my
name
is
adam
kaplan,
I'm
one
of
the
maintainers
for
shipwright.
B
I
work
at
red
hat
and
I
am
going
to
be
replacing
jason
hall
in
his
role
on
the
governing
board,
as
he
is
going
to
be
departing
red
hat
soon.
So
I
will
be
red.
Hat's,
representative
representative,
on
the
cdf
governing
board
yeah.
A
One
question
about
a
bit:
do
you
want
to
be
on
the
poc
too,
because.
B
Yes,
sorry
so,
yes,
I
would
be
very
happy
to
join
the
toc
as
well.
A
Yeah,
so
for
to
see,
so
it's
basically
elected
governing
proceed.
So
my
understanding
for
this
process
is
that
it
has
to
go
through
governing
board
elections
as
well
as
with
other
roles.
So
we
have
a
number
of
seats
open,
which
is
the
next
topic,
so
we
can
see
for
that
great,
so,
basically,
jason
explicitly
withdrew
from
the
qvc,
because
I
sent
a
message:
oh
hi,
jason,
hello,.
A
A
message
somewhere,
but
I
don't
recall
whether
you
withdraw
from
qc.
C
Yeah,
my
my
intention
is
not
to
remain
on
the
toc,
but
I
at
the
same
time
would
like
someone
from
red
hat
to
be
on
the
toc,
and
so
there
is
a
a
transfer
process.
Then
I
would
like
to
transfer
to
adam
and
if
not,
then
I
would
like
to
I
don't
know.
C
A
So
basically,
the
governing
board
should
reflect
the
nominations
but
yeah.
This
is
something
we
can
follow
up
with
michelle,
because
we
have
to
do
religion,
relations
in
the
governing
board
anyway,
because
the
position
for
garema
has
expired.
The
position
for
fatigue
has
expired
and
also
for
dan
lawrence
for
the
lawrence.
It's
a
bit
more
tricky,
but
yeah.
C
A
D
So
I
I
don't
think
we
have.
You
know
like
a
representative
for
jenkins
x
at
this
point,
so
maybe
we
can
also
add
one
seed
for
that.
A
Is
my
screen
so
actually
took
some
liberty
and
proposed
contributors?
I
mean
we
have
a
formal
chat
for
toc
computers
so
similar
to
what
cncf
has
and
two
weeks
ago
I
basically
proposed
that
we
had
all
active
con
participants
as
qc
contributors,
and
you
can
already
see
your
name
here.
A
E
That's
that's
found
by
me
I'm
also
from
drinking
sex,
but
I
think
I'll,
let
that
let
ankit
do
that.
I'm
just
kind
of
curious
what's
happening
here.
That's
all
so
chris.
If
you
want
to
participate.
A
Yeah
so
we
have
meetings,
we
have
slug
chat
where
many
discussions
happen
these
days,
and
I
believe
that
we
should
be
more
and
more
synchronous
when
it
comes
to
discussions.
So
hopefully
it
will
be
comfortable
for
everyone.
E
A
So
just
to
show
you
what
happens,
we
had
a
conversation
with
michelle
and
steven
chin
in
a
governing
board
mailing
list
regarding
the
state
of
the
toc
and
the
elections,
but
yeah.
You
can
see
the
current
toc
list
here
and
you
can
see
that
some
positions
have
already
expired
so,
for
example,
then
and
fatigue
and
many
other
positions
about
to
expire
just
in
a
few
months.
A
So
basically,
we
need
to
run
elections
for
all
the
roles,
so
governing
board
needs
to
run
elections
and
also
we
have
to
run
elections
for
the
project
seats
and
we
have
an
open
question
for
them
lawrence
because
then
is
toc
appointed.
At
the
same
time,
our
charter
doesn't
recommend
what
it
means.
A
A
F
Okay,
I
don't
have
a
direct
answer
right
away
for
you,
but
like
let's
continue
offline,
we
can
start
an
email
thread
and
yep.
A
Yeah
the
question
is
basically:
what
is
the
expectation
for
project
elected
seats,
because
it's
not
clear
whether
the
toc
should
be
running
kid
or
not?
For
other
positions,
it's
quite
clear.
So
we
have
end
user
committee.
They
should
do
the
nominations
with
the
governing
board.
Maybe
these
elections
same
for
governing
both
appointed
positions.
It's
a
question
for
the
governing
board,
which
we
need
to
care
of
what
is
a
separate
topic
so
basically
adam
and
me
and
fatih,
are
there
and
yeah?
A
A
G
This
is
tracy,
you
know,
I
don't
know
if
there's
an
opportunity
for
us
to
change
those
election
terms,
but
one
year
is
kind
of
crazy.
They
should
be
two
years,
but
I
think
that
if
there's
a
way
to
create
a
a
term
that
is,
we
do
need
it
to
be
rolling
in
somewhat
in
some
way.
So
we
have
new
people
coming
in,
but
to
have
the
entire
board
change
at
the
same
time
is
a
bit
drastic.
G
I'm
thinking
that.
Maybe
we
should
be
looking
at
that
and
changing
it
to
where
three
or
four
roll
off
this
year
or
have
to
be
reelected
and
then
so.
Every
every
year
you
have
three
or
four
people
who
are
being
re-elected
to
the
board
like
half,
so
you
know
you
have
elections
every
year,
but
not
everybody.
It
leaves
the
board
every
year.
It
seems
kind
of
crazy.
The
way
it's
written.
A
G
Yeah,
I
think
I
I
think
that
we,
I
think
you
guys,
should
look
at
changing
the
charter
now
and
maybe
we
have
to.
I
guess
the
board
has
to
address
it,
but
at
least
you
would
say
you
know,
have
you
know
half
of
you
raise
your
hand
and
say:
okay,
I
you
know
I'm
I'm
planning
on
leaving
like
we
know
that
jason's
leaving
so
there's
one
open
spot,
but
how
many
are
total?
Do
we
know
how
how
many
are
total
on
this
board?.
A
So
currently
it's
nine.
At
the
same
time,
there
is
some
unclarity
because
so,
for
example,
garema
is
appointed
stc
member.
At
the
same
time,
there
was
misconnect
whether
she's
appointed
or
not,
but
anyway
it's
up
for
the
election,
and
so.
G
A
She's
not
a
voting
when
I
was
discussing
it
with
tracy.
She
said
that
the
government
is
a
full
main
number
of
the
tc
and
I
played
along,
but
I
can't
exactly
say
what
it
is
anyway,
it's
up
for
re-election,
so
we
can
determine
it
for
the
chapter,
but
basically
who
steps
down.
G
A
Well,
it's
not
in
the
chat
and
then
explicitly
said
he's
stepping
down.
So
I
guess
it
doesn't
matter
anymore.
G
G
There's
eight,
and
there
is
there's,
there's
really
there's
really
seven
and
then
you
have
the
ambassador.
Chair
gets
a
seat
which
makes
it
odd.
It
makes
it
odd
because
it's
I
guess
that
makes
it
an
odd
number.
A
G
Yeah,
so
I
think
that
the
seven
they're
seven
really
they're,
they're,
seven
plus
seven
plus
karima
or
whoever's
gonna.
D
G
And
then
we
would
just
have
four
people
up
for
election
this
year,
as
opposed
to
everybody,
because
that
just
seems
crazy
to
lose
that
knowledge.
A
I
A
That's
one
of
the
options,
so
we
have
clarity
who
is
actually
on
the
board
according
to
the
updates,
the
governing
board
approved
from
the
previous
cycle,
so
four
project
representatives,
so
basically
elected
and
firstly
nominated
through
pro
objects
and
then
another
voting
room,
then
two
end
user
members
and
three
representatives
by
the
governing
board.
So
that's
it.
So
these
are
nine
seats.
A
Ambassador
chair,
or
maybe
somebody
else,
but
generally
it's
elected
the
gbc.
So
currently
we
have
json,
which
is
not
transferable,
so
it
would
need
to
be
confirmed
by
the
board
also
but
yeah.
Otherwise,
it's
just
three
seats
by
gb,
and
here
we
have
these
three
seats.
G
A
I
guess
it's
we
can
just
use
git
blame.
I
believe
this
is
the
only
way
to
know
but
yeah.
So
basically,
when
we
were
updating
the
list,
then
yeah
so
tracy
basically
put
these
terms
here.
A
This
is,
I
don't
have
any
information
whether
it
was
discussed
et
cetera
but
yeah
this,
basically,
what
we
had.
G
That's
I
that's
what
I
think
you
guys
should
do.
I
would
add,
I
would
add
another
year
and
have
I
like
to
say
just
find
out
who
wants
to
end
their
term
or
be
go
through
the
election
process
again,
and
because
it's
not
that
many.
It's
because
you've
got
four
that
are
from
the
committee,
the
the
the
projects
and
then
you
have.
D
G
Turn,
I
think
you
should
add
another
year
term
for
all
of
those
who
are,
if
we're
elected
by
the
projects
and
then
everybody
else
gets
re-elected,
he
has
to
go
through
a
re-election
and
then
you
already,
then
that
that
puts
you
on
your
two
years,
you're
staggered
because
that's
the
intent
of
what
you
just
showed
us
anyway.
That's
all
I'm
saying.
C
I'm
for
getting
to
that
state
and
it
sounds
like
we
don't
even
need
to
change
the
charter
to
get
to
that
state.
I
do
think
we
want
to
for
the
in
the
spirit
of
transparency
and-
and
you
know,
collectiveness.
C
I
think
we
should
propose
this
in
some
way,
maybe
in
a
pr
but
propose
it
and
then
get
some
votes
on
it
from
gb
folks,
if
it's,
if
they're
the
governing
board
seats
that
are
changing
the
term
or
at
least
a
sort
of
toc
vote
that
this
is
called
but
yeah,
I'm
very
glad
to
hear
that
we
don't
have
to
change
the
charter.
Apparently
we
just
need
to
change
the
terms
of
existing
folks,
yeah.
G
So
I
think
you
already
have
your
your
numbers.
If
you
look
at
who's
up
there,
who
should
get
go
through
a
real
if
you
keep
the
two-year
appoint
appointments
from
the
project,
so
the
projects
don't
have
to
re-elect
somebody
unless
they
have
to
like
jason's
role,
you
would
have
you
would
have
garima
would
be
gone,
would
have
to.
She
has
to
be
reappointed
anyway,
as
an
ambassador
chair,
so
she's
a
that
that
that's
just
an
appointment,
so
you
have
to
worry
about
that
one.
G
H
D
A
Yeah,
if
we
keep
it
disease,
an
old
project
seats
remain
closed,
so
we
will
have
two
end
user
appointments
and
also
gp,
basically
rejecting
all
three
members.
So
we
have
a
refresh
for
five
members
and
four
remaining.
A
Yeah
one
question
we
need
to
cover
in
this
case
is
whether
it's
fair
in
relation
to
other
projects,
because
what
happened
last
year,
basically,
we
had
four
nominations
and
we
had
four
seats.
So
there
was
no
even
elections,
but
we
have
more
member
projects
these
days.
So
if
we
increase
term
for
all
project
leads
for
another
year,
I
wonder
what
is
opinion
of
other
projects.
Let's
say
jenkins
sex
artelios?
A
B
Separate,
I
also
wonder
too,
if
you
have
a
staggering
of
like
general
elected
project
seats
versus,
then
you
have
another
cycle
of
the
governance
board
and
end
user
seats
effectively,
if
that
also
is
kind
of
a
good
dynamic
to
have,
whereas
if
you
have
not
only
just
the
rotating
rotating
elections,
but
also
rotations
within
each
kind
of
like
sub-election,
so
that,
like
the
governance
board
seats,
there's
a
rotation
there,
the
end-user
ones
there's
a
rotation
there.
So
that
way,
there's
like
no
like
hard
transition
within
those
groups.
A
So,
basically,
as
long
as
all
representatives
from
these
projects
are
fine,
we
can
just
roll
forward.
So
the
question
is
to
chris
and.
A
A
D
Yeah
I
mean
I,
I
think
it's
it's
it's
fine.
For
now
we
are
still
creating
our
own,
you
know
like
toc,
and
you
know,
like
governance,
bodies
and
stuff,
so
it
I
think
we
need
a
bit
of
time
to
create
our
own
community
stuff
and
that
sound
is
from
my
office.
Slack
sorry,
it
says
hummus.
A
So
what
else
shipwright?
So
I
would
assume
that
adam.
Basically,
if
he
gets
re-elected
from
by
the
gb,
it
covers
ship
ride
and
spinnaker
for
spinnaker.
Again,
I
didn't
see
them
in
the
community.
A
G
I
still
think
you're
going
to
have
to
go
out
to
spinnaker
to
make
sure
that
they,
if
they
know
that
they
can
have
a
seat
on
the
board
it
it
wouldn't
make
sense
not
to
have
them
here.
A
So
I
will
take
an
action
item
to
reach
out
to
them.
Maybe
somebody
from
the
governing
board
and
the
cc,
because
again,
I'm
currently
not
confident
about
spinnaker's
state
as
a
project
at
all.
But
it's
a
topic
we
can
discuss
offline.
A
Okay,
so
yeah,
let's
follow
up,
so
I
know
that
we
have
spinnaker
summit,
so
some
things
are
still
happening.
So,
let's
see
what
we
can
do,
okay,
so
you
have
a
plan
anything
else.
Regarding
collections.
A
If
there
is
no
complaints
from
spinach
here
or
from
anyone
else
in
the
middle
increased
or
from
the
governing
board,
I
think
the
answer
is
yes.
B
Yeah,
so
that
is
my
one
concern
is
that
the
you're
still
going
to
have
hard
transitions
within
each
subgroup
that
we
don't
have
like
true
staggering.
A
But
do
we
really
have
problem
with
that?
Well,
in
the
current
composition,
so
yeah
we
have
end
user
appointments,
it
will
have
gb
appointed
seed,
but
basically
from
my
toc
contribution
standpoint.
All
of
us
are
the
same
right,
so
I
don't
see
particular
difference.
A
G
So
adam,
I
understand
what
you're
trying
to
do,
but
I
think
it
might
be
adding
a
little
more
complexity
and
there
isn't
ever
a
time
that
only
the
sub,
like
the
projects
have
their
own
meetings.
So
it's
really
it's
just
the
toc
board.
So
I
I
realize
what
you're,
what
you're
saying
in
terms
of
the
projects
having
to
rotate
and
then
the
other
positions
having
to
rotate.
But
it's
really
just
one
board
and
to
keep
it
simple.
G
I
think
just
figuring
out
a
way
to
stagger
the
nine
that
you
have
and
we
may
need
to
have
eleven.
I
hate
to
say
that.
But
if
spinnaker
had
somebody
on
the
board,
we'd
be
at
10,
which
puts
us
back
to
an
even
number,
so
we
might
have
to
add
added
individual
to
make
it
11,
maybe
from
the
user
community.
I'm
not
sure.
H
G
A
Okay,
so
next
steps
is
basically,
I
will
just
format
this
proposal
and
send
it
to
the
million
list
so
that
we
can
always
formally
vote
on
that
and
if
there
are
any
objections
or
second
thoughts,
we
just
can
discuss
it
there.
So,
basically,
nothing
is
slated
in
stone
right
now,.
A
Okay,
so
the
next
topic
for
us
is
cdcon
and
user
award,
so
roxanna
asked
whether
we
could
make
a
decision
who
would
get
this
award.
At
least
this
is
my
understanding
or
so
there
is
a
message
in
the
uc
my
link
list,
so
basically
we
just
need
to
vet
the
nominees
and
say
whether
we
agree
with
this
nominees
or
not.
A
Well,
maybe
we
can
suggest
monominius
but
yeah,
it's
not
explicit.
So
what
we
have
on
this
list,
so
suggestions
include
ebay,
capital,
one
and
dell
boomi.
A
H
No,
I
think
that
that
list
works
for
me.
A
A
So
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
a
pending
request
to
the
continuous
delivery
foundation
to
actually
acquire
accounts
on
all
major
public
health
providers
and
define
user
usage
and
budgeting
policies
for
that.
So
there
is
a
open
request
to
the
continuous
delivery
foundation.
Well,
it
has
been
open
for
quite
a
while
yeah
taking
all
the
events,
it's
not
a
complaint
but
yeah
right
now.
Basically,
I
can
just
emphasize
that
we
still
need
that
if
you
want
to
onboard
more
projects
and
to
fairly
balance
infrastructure
resources
between
them.
H
Yeah
and
just
just
to
clarify
what
ortelius
is
looking
for.
We
are
currently
running
under
the
deploy
hubs
account
on
azure
and
that
the
money
is
running
out
on
that
account.
So
we'd
like
to
transfer
the
ortilius
what
ortilius
is
doing
to
somewhere
else.
We
don't
have
to
have
a
standalone
cluster
for
kubernetes.
We
don't
mind
sharing,
but
we
do
need
to
move
to
a
spot
that
we
can
use
it
the
amount's
pretty
low.
I
think
it's
like
800
a
month
or
something
like
that
or
less.
H
I
can
get
the
exact
numbers,
but
it's
basically
for
our
testing
environment
and,
like
I
said
we
can
share
with
somebody
else.
So
we
don't
need
anything
standalone
and
we
don't
need
a
a
particular
cloud
provider
where
we
can
land
wherever.
A
So
well,
if
I
understand
correctly
currently,
microsoft
asia
is
being
used
just
by
jenkins
and
for
jenkins,
maybe
collocating.
The
account
would
be
an
option
to
discuss
with
the
infrastructure
team,
but
I'm
not
100
sure
it's
trivial,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
automation
for
management
of
everything,
so
maybe
actually
creating
a
separate
account
would
be
more
reasonable.
H
However,
it
works,
we
just
need
to
know
the
process
and
in
the
next
steps
on
that,
I
think
we're
good
until
like
june.
So
we
got
a
little
bit
of
time.
F
Why
the
only
thing
I
really
would
add
to
this
is
make
sure
that
you
document
and
detail
what
you
need
on
the
github
issue.
H
H
And
which
does
that
go
in
the
toc
as
an
issue
or
the
foundation.
A
So
we
have
a
number
of
requests
there
so
but
yeah,
I
guess
if
there
is
a
present
need
for
artillery,
so
we
could
find
a
way
until
full
policies
are
defined.
A
Okay
and
for
jenkins
x,
someone
could,
would
you
like
to
take
it
over.
D
Yes,
so
so
at
this
point
we
are
using,
you
know
like
google,
for
the
tests
I
have
asked
for
you
know
like
access
to
the
billing
account,
because
I
don't
know
how
much
money
we
spent.
I
also
feel
that
we
can
decrease
our
costs
a
bit.
So
if
we
can
do
that,
then
can
we
allocate
some
of
the
resources
for
other.
You
know
like
cloud
provider
accounts
like
you
know,
like
azure,
or
you
know,
like
amazon.
D
I
I
personally
think
that
for
like
amazon,
we
can
do
away
with
like
200
dollars
a
month
or
maybe
250
like
not
even
more
than
that.
D
I
mean
because
we
have
some
very
basic
tests
for
now
and
as
we
grow,
you
know
like
we
we
we
might
need
more
things,
but
it's
it's
not
going
to
be,
like
I
don't
know
a
thousand
to
begin
with
it's
it's
it's
like
it's,
it's
going
to
be
less
for
now
and
then
maybe
in
a
few
I
don't
know
months
or
like
yeah,
I
think
in
like
a
few
months
we
can
scale.
A
So
one
thing
I
can
add
last
time
we
talked
to
james
rollins
like
he
said
that
the
gcp
running
cost
is
something
like
200
dollars
per
month:
okay,
but
yeah.
I
cannot
confirm
it
100,
plus
it's
all
data
and
yeah.
It
obviously
highly
depends
on
the
contribution
traffic
for
jenkins
x
yeah.
So
I
also
don't
know
the
exact
numbers,
but
my
understanding
that
jenkins
x
account
still
it
hasn't,
been
transferred
to
the
cdf.
Yet.
D
D
A
Okay,
yeah:
let's
wait
a
bit.
A
Yeah,
so
just
maybe
to
answer
the
first
question,
while
reconnects
either
is
fixed
amount
not
really
according
to
the
current
budgeting
of
the
cdf.
So
there
is
a
general
infrastructure
budget
confirmed
and
then
there
is
let's
say:
moles
fictional
quotas
assigned
to
each
project
and
but
yeah
as
long
as
the
cdf
stan
stays
within
the
infrastructure
budget.
Everything
is
fine,
okay,
so
yeah
just
to
answer
the
question
and
kara
seems
to
be
back.
So
maybe
we
can
return
back
to
the
original
question.
F
Did
my
answer
not?
Did
you
not
hear
my
first
answer?
No
okay,
so
all
I
was
saying
was
this
first
step
is
just
please
be
be
as
detailed
as
you
can
of
what
you
need
on
the
inhabit.
That's
still
the
stage
we're
basically
just
gathering
all
the
information
and
then
hopefully
we
will
have
a
process
in
place
to
actually
give
people
the
infrastructure.
A
A
Fingers
crossed
okay,
so
basically
submitting
github
issues,
and
I
guess
for
now
we
can
find
a
makeshift
solution
for
any
desire,
and
then
we
will
try
to
merge
this
makeshift
solutions
to
something
more
less
permanent
violence
have
a
benchmark
in
the
foundation
to
have
it.
A
Actually,
one
topic
is
kind
reminder
to
everyone
to
vote
in
doodle
for
time
slots
for
meeting
times.
So,
basically,
if
you're
interested
to
participate
in
toc
meetings
from
time
to
time,
every
time
he's
binding
quote
without
binding
quote,
it
doesn't
matter,
but
please
just
vote
in
doodle,
so
that
we
can
find
that
time
because
right
now
it's
really
difficult
to
select
any
time
slot.
A
So
we
can
stick
to
this
time
slot
by
default,
because
it's
basically
the
previous
time
slot,
but
I'm
not
sure
how
it's
comfortable
for
europe,
for
example,
because
it's
beyond
working
house
at
the
same
time
is
still
quite
early
for
the
united
states
west
coast.
So
when
I
was
looking
at
logic
results,
let's
say
we
had
no
consensus
for
any
time
slot
which
kind
of
welcome
to
distributed
environment.
But
we
need
to
find
a
solution.
A
Yeah
so
for
me,
when
I
proposed
to
changing
the
meeting
slot,
I
had
only
one
item
on
the
agenda
being
able
to
participate
in
the
cnc
ftbc
meetings,
because
for
me
it
seemed
really
also
that
we
have
these
meetings
at
the
same
time,
but
now
well
thanks
to
the
cncf
meetings
being
in
east
coast
time.
Basically,
things
are
solved
for
me
anyway,
but
if
you
can
find
a
better
time
slot,
I
think
we
could
switch
right
now.
The
current
time
is
still
a
winner.
D
F
I
have
two
quick
announcements
before
we
close
out:
okay,
okay,
early
bird
tickets
for
cdcon
are
still
available.
Please,
you
know
shout
out
to
your
communities.
The
other
thing
is
I
found
out
that
we
have.
This
is
good
news.
We
have
35
virtual
tickets
to
give
away
for
kubecon
in
europe
that
is
happening
next
month.
F
So
I
would
my
preferred
way
of
doing
this
is
that
we
would
allocate
them
out
to
the
projects
and
the
projects
would
either
give
them
to
say
students
they
know,
are
involved
in
the
projects
who
could
benefit
from
a
ticket
or
give
them
out
as
sort
of
gift
prizes
for
any
of
their
really
involved
community
members
who
are
not
attending
kubecon
in
person,
so
suggestions
on
how
to
quickly
move
forward
with
that,
because
I
realize
time
is
you
know,
okay,.
A
Yeah,
maybe
one
quick
option
is
to
consider
gsoc
students
from
the
previous
years,
because
for
them
it
would
be
challenging
to
buy
a
ticket,
but
they
might
want
to
participate.
Yes,.
F
F
Yeah
I
like
that.
I,
like
that
a
lot.
I
think
I
have
a
number
of
those
lists,
but
I'll
I'll
follow
up
with
you
all,
because
I'm
sure
you
can
double
check
right.