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From YouTube: CDF TOC 03.26.19
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CDF TOC Meeting Agenda
o Welcome!
o CDF TOC Meeting Cadence
o CDF TOC Values/Principles
o CDF TOC Project Acceptance Process
o First CDF GB meeting will be April 18th
o Q&A
o ACTIONS
TOC Attendees:
o Kohsuke Kawaguchi (Jenkins) [CHAIR]
o James Strachan (Jenkins X)
o Dan Lorenc (Tekton)
o Andy Glover (Spinnaker)
B
C
D
Oh
so,
let's
I
mean
I
think
we
could
probably
get
started
it's
about
five
minutes
past.
So
I
have
an
agenda,
I
mean
KK
or
you
know,
as
chair
you're,
basically
kind
of
control,
the
agenda
and
meetings.
But
together
you
know
something
really.
The
most
important
thing
is
to
decide
on
is
meeting
cadence
about
his
principles
and
a
project
acceptance
process
over
the
next
month,
or
so
in
my
opinion,
but
I'll
defer
to
you
as
chairman,
Lee
yeah,.
B
All
right,
all
right,
so
I
guess
I
get
to
run
the
show.
So
let's
go
on
D
yeah.
So
it
is
the
opening.
So
this
one
seems
to
be
TV
every
two
weeks
and
I
think
that's
the
frequency
other
being
involved
in
CN
CF
TLC,
and
that
also
seems
to
meet
in
that
calendar,
and
that
seems
reasonable
to
me,
like
any
other
South,
any
any
thoughts
of
this
one
way
or
the
other.
That
sounds
fun.
A
D
B
D
B
We
can
come
back,
see
an
in-person
meeting.
Well,
we
might
as
well
and
so
I
guess
then,
if
you
are
gonna,
have
the
in-person
meeting
I
think
the
next
obvious
one
is
the
bars
cute
calmer
salon,
a
severe
summit,
yeah
I
know
I'm
going
and
you're
done
he's
going,
James
I
believe
you're
going
at
spell.
Andy
I,
don't
know.
If
are
you
trying
to
join
us?
There
I
haven't.
B
D
B
And
I
know
I
eavesdrop
on
some
noticed
a
conversation
between
like
about
the
name
of
the
Emily
from
the
NASA
Foundation,
which
is
tracing
down
so
I
know
that
that
day
is
getting
plans
and
then
so
moving
on
to
the
CDF
TOC
bodies
and
principles,
so
I
may
just
right
before
this
kool-aid
the
it's
the
proposed
that
it's
in
the
talk
that
we
specified
to
be
busting
evening,
so
it's
just
I.
Did
he
just
moves
multiplexed
up
and
down
so
I
guess
I
feel
like
most
of
the
that's.
B
The
round
of
conversation
has
gone
and,
and
it
died
down
where
the
you
know
any
any
more
thoughts
on
this.
The
most
talking
about
it
here,
I
guess,
maybe
not
worth
the
addition
like
I
have
it
be.
You
know
on
the
incus
you
had
this
security
well,
try
I
have
security
deleted,
velocities
I
added
IV.
That
was
since
the
missing
from
those
series
split
some
text
in
there
I
hope.
There's
nothing
controversial
in
there.
I
think
everything
else
is
more.
Let's
just
copied
from
the
original
version
from
down
the
only
thing:
I
wasn't
quite
clear.
B
The
fairness
done
yeah.
So
you
mentioned
that
a
spell
you
learned.
It
should
be
like
to
be
upheld
and
copied
over
a
bit.
I
tried,
I,
read
it
and
I
try
to
understand
what
it's
like.
It's
like,
trying
to
put
myself
in
the
head
of
the
cnc
of
folks.
Don't
you
understand
why
they
did
it?
It
sounds
to
me
more
like
the
higher
level
than
the
technical
thing,
but
I'm
curious
to
hear
like
making
when
they
say
that
could
not
paper
play
or
the
avoid
and
the
influence.
A
B
B
D
Yeah
I
would
basically
you
know
if
we're
happy
with
it
kind
of
where
it
is.
If
someone
wants
to
volunteer
and
basically
make
this
into
a
github
full
request,
and
then
we
could
iterate
through
there
and
then
my
suggestion
is
both
amongst
the
tiers
need
to
improve
it.
It's
kind
of
a
v1l
and
then
kind
of
go
from
there.
D
A
B
D
Makes
diamonds
no
I
I
through
and
basically
kind
of
what
CN
CF
and
some
of
other
kind
of
Linux
Foundation
best
practices
or
foundations
in
terms
of
project
acceptance
and
proposal
criteria?
It's
fairly
standard
I,
don't
think,
there's
anything
surprising
in
there.
If
you
want
anything
else
that
a
project
should
put
in
a
proposal
kill
Rita
at
a
point,
but
but
my
my
feeling
is,
everything
has
to
be
done
via
github,
you
know
should
be
a
full
request
to
the
TOC
repo
they
should
present
at
one
of
these
meetings.
A
D
Correct
so
we
got
backed
up
so
much.
We've
created
another
meeting,
that's
clearly
dedicated
their
presentations.
I
I,
don't
think
that's
going
to
happen
here,
just
because
the
number
of
projects
it's
a
little
bit
smaller
in
scope,
but
if
that
happens,
we're
always
free
to
kind
of
ring.
Rearrange
things
around
I,
just
you
know,
I
think
it's
fair
to
have
it
we're
running
time.
The
presidential
you'd
have
time
to
kind
of
critique
them
and
in
a
you
know,
face-to-face
or
whatever
distributed
meeting
type
fashion
is.
D
Region
I
had
is
like
maturity,
levels
of
projects,
I
think
it's
something
for
you
to
kind
of
think
about.
So
you
know
when,
when
CN
CF
was
formed,
everything
kind
of
started
out
in
incubation
by
default,
you
know
so
I
probably
recommend
the
same
thing
for
here
arm.
You
just
have
to
kind
of
decide
how
many
levels
what
it
means
to
be
I
graduated
to
project
you
still
want
so
that's
kind
of
for
you
to
soul,
is.
A
D
A
B
B
Yeah
I
was
looking
at
some
of
the
dogs
kriste
at
this
end
in
the
first
few
days
and
I
was
curious,
like
what
you
know
what
people
I
felt
like
any
chance
than
what
other
groups
do
to
incubate
the
project
effectively,
it
seems
like
there's.
A
lot
of
thoughts
have
gone
in
in
different
validations,
yeah.
D
I
mean
for,
for
us
at
least
it's
important
for
projects
to
grow.
The
number
of
like
maintain
errs
from
different
companies.
We
kind
of
avoid,
like
a
bus
factor
problem,
have
a
reasonable
like
security
disclosure
process.
There's
an
effort
from
the
linux
foundation
called
the
core
infrastructure
initiative.
That's
best
practices,
badging
program,
which
kind
of
lists
a
lot
of
like
we're
like
best
practice,
is
that
all
open-source
projects
you
know
should
should
have,
and
we
require
folks
that
go
through
that
I
actually
highly
recommend
folks
to
kind
of
look
at
that.
D
But
generally
it's
diversify
your
core
maintainer
ship.
So
it's
not
you
know
single
vendor
or
single
kind
of
maintained
or
driven
have
reasonable
plans
in
place
for
security
to
slow,
do
type
issues,
grow
or
hold
meetings
in
public,
do
Camino
releases
and,
and
so
on.
A
lot
of
that
information
will
be
able
to
pull
from
from
dev
stats
that
we
set
up
for
the
CDF
I.
Don't
know
if
I've
run
of
Andy's
seen
this
yet
when
he
doesn't
see
it
soon.
E
D
The
only
reason
if
you
didn't
have
a
desire
to
except
early-stage
projects
and
not
have
any
for
a
sandbox
level,
then
I
would
advocate,
dropping
that,
but
if
you
do
think
like
you're,
just
gonna
support
early-stage
objects
that
may
fail,
or
or
or
sixteen
and
I
would
keep
the
sandbox.
Also,
you
know
if
you
want
to
support
early-stage
projects
and
then
I
would
just
cargo
cult.
What
CN
CF
has
done
and
maybe
put
your
own
spin
on
it.
Otherwise
you're
not
gonna
support,
really
project
early-stage
projects,
just
not
incubation
in
graduation,
that's
waffles!
A
There's
some
of
the
concerns
they
had
an
intern
recall.
Those
modules
were
about
profit
like
it
becoming
just
a
dumping
around
for
projects,
yeah
very
good
things
in
no
real
process
to
get
things
out.
It's
always
harder
to
like.
If
something
stops
being
maintained,
you
don't
want
like
them
in
order.
D
F
E
B
A
D
Yeah
Brant,
it's
the
brand
affinity
right
that
we
kind
of
you
know
people
assume
anything
in
CN
CF
meant
it
was
as
mature
and
stable
as
kubernetes,
and
that
was
kind
of
the
rough
rough.
Should
we
kind
of
ran
into
you
and
had
to
create
the
whole
sandbox
thing
and
basically
did
minimal
marketing
for
sandbox
projects.
Particularly,
you
will
have
that
issue.
I.
Think
any
project
that
comes
in
an
organization
that's
willing
to
be
benchmarked
against
kind
of
the
misty
optics
of
the
organization,
so
yeah.
A
D
A
D
B
A
D
B
So
if
you
do
away
without
sandboxing,
does
that
mean
there
needs
to
be
some
and
trans
criteria
hold
I,
guess
the
side
or
adoption
or
some
such
student
key
baking?
In
other
words
like
if
I
had
her
projects
today,
like
my
project
of
the
day,
next
exact
I,
guess
she
should
data?
Should
that
not
cold
fine
for
incubating
nothing
like
he
has
sure
to
go,
etc.
So
what
what
did
that
be?
I.
D
Think
you
have
to
differentiate,
could
definitely
list
the
criteria.
I'm
happy
to
put
something
together
for
you
know
graduating,
but
you
know
there's
two
ways
to
look
at
this
one:
it's
like
things
that
you've
developed
on
your
own
as
kind
of
independent
projects
that
you
want
to
put
forward
and
then
there's
kind
of
the
notion
of
each
project
within
CDD
have
kind
of
runs
independently,
and
so,
if
there
was
a
let's
say,
spinnaker,
you
know,
I
don't
know.
D
Andy
came
up
with
a
cool
little
utility,
that's
useful,
the
spinnaker
community
that
could
be
a
separate
side
project
for
the
spinor
community
community
and
decide
themselves
to
kind
of
add
on
to
the
organization
saying
things
would
apply
to
to
jenkins
and
so
on.
So
you
know
in
CN
CF
the
analogy
is
community
SIG's
being
able
to
accept
projects
you
know
on
their,
you
know
as
something
they
own
versus
you
know
a
separate
project,
that's
under
understand,
CF,
a
lot.
A
Of
those
discussions
are
revolved
around
the
same
kind
of
question
why
people
feel
they
need
to
put
things
in
the
kubernetes
and
a
lot
of
expert
affinity
and
they've
been
trying
to
craft?
You
know
a
way
for
people
to
not
have
a
potential
of
every
to
still
be
integrated
with
communities
and
will
be
associated
with
it.
D
B
D
B
Right
well,
so
all
right,
so
yeah
I
think
if
I
understand
people
in
conversation
correctly,
I
think
we
are
converging
on
only
in
sandbox
when
I,
let's
community
I'm
the
incubation
incubating
and
graduate
in
few
stages
and
then
I
guess
we
all.
We
need
to
work
the
abatement
meet
and
details
on,
but
it
means
so
that's
a
next
step.
B
D
The
other
thing
to
note
is
we'll
be
holding
the
first
governing
board
meeting
on
April
18th,
where
I
plan
on
essentially
the
governing
board,
we'll
add
two
more.
We
have
40
of
C
members
right
now,
two
more
slots
will
be
saved
for
project
and
the
governing
board
will
basically
fill
out
the
three
other
one,
so
I
think
I
will
bet.
B
D
E
D
So
it's
gonna
be
nominations
through
governing
governing
board
members,
and
then
they
could
be
anyone.
They
don't
have
to
be
part
of
the
governing
board.
It
could
be
like
I,
don't
know
some
crazy
academic
or
from
another
project
or
someone
else
relevant
in
the
in
the
space
and
then
they
vote
on.
It
will
be
like
kind
of
endorse
it
style,
which
is
like
rank
choice,
essentially
voting.
D
B
D
D
Technically
you're
allowed
I
need
to
double-check
the
chart:
I
theater
to
free
people
from
one
company,
I'd
also
say
like
right
now
we
have
four
dudes
essentially
on
on
the
tools
we
need
to
like
keep
in
mind
that
I
think
diversity.
Inclusion
are
extremely
important,
so
I
would
keep
those
factors
in
mind
as
a
recommendation,
all
right,
I'm,
Vicky,
asleep.
A
D
B
D
I
mean
they
could
come
from
an
end
user
to
look
like
you
know,
you're,
the
other
thing
I'd
strongly
recommend
is
you
know
if
there's
a
and
I've
been
thinking
either
company
that
uses
the
projects
and
having
that
voice
within
the
EOC
is
is
extremely
valuable.
So
if
you
have
customers
or
clients
of
your
project
and
also
jumping
certificate
or
yeah.
D
Take
my
guess
is
it'll
take
probably
two
weeks
from
from
that,
a
whom
a
would
be
the
first
realistic
time
that
your
new
book
Lincoln
coming
I'd,
also
advised
when
that
happened
need
to
you
would
open
up
the
project
a
proper.
You
know
acceptance
process
and
approval
process,
so
people
could
do
PRS
for
from
from
that
day
forward.
Setting
to
me
is
a
enough
to
have
a
healthy
number
of
folks
do
except
projects
yeah.
B
D
Well,
we
could
also
ask
for
volunteers
on
the
TOC
list.
Like
say:
hey,
the
TOC
is
looking
for
candidates.
If
you're
interested,
please,
you
know
reach
out
that's
another
approach
that
you
did
yeah
take
the
other
kind
of
thing
that
you
know
I
kinda
forgot
to
do
and
it's
Hall
is
essentially
yeah.
I
think
we
have
some
observers
and
kind
of
like
just
casual
introductions.
So
that's
another
kind
of
thing
that
we
should
have
had
tonnage
that
we
start.
We
all
know
each
other,
but
there's
something
maybe
new.
D
B
E
E
D
So
we'll
stagger
them
I
need
to
honestly
I,
don't
remember
off
the
top
of
my
head.
I
have
to
dive
in
generally,
we'll
stagger
it
so
Linux
Foundation
we
generally
prefer
two-year
terms,
and
so
generally,
what
we'll
do
is
once
I
think.
Once
we
get
the
seven,
maybe
we
could
do
it
where
people
would
like
draw
straws
or
something
we'll
just
been
a
random
thing,
where
the
first,
let's
say
four,
will
get
to
your
terms
and
three
will
get
one-year
terms
and
then
will
forever
stagger
in
your
turn.
E
G
A
F
B
H
I
D
B
As
I
guess,
there's
huge
next
steps.
What
are
these
so
there's
a
walk
on
the
next.
This
next
set
of
details
for
this
acceptance
criteria
create
the
PR,
that's
not
a
luxury
item
and
then
nominate
you
think
about
the
people
to
recommend
TGV,
for
they
can
the
TLC
candidate
any
other,
and
it
to
these
some
people's
mind.
D
There
are
particular
budget
related
things.
Potentially
you
know
for
projects.
Let
me
know
so
we're
basically
drafting
the
first
budget
for
the
governing
board
to
approve
I
mean
we're
all
clear.
We
will
hiring
a
program
manager
to
basically
kind
of
you
know,
rpm
VM,
for
for
CDF,
okay,
we
have
Kennedy
observer
or
folks
that
are
potentially
just
whittling
and
running
a
foundation.
Let
me
know,
but
what
will
happen
is
the
governing
board?
Will
approve
the
initial
budget,
then
we'll
go.
D
Requests
little
more
generally,
we
prefer
a
request.
All
like
every
you
know.
Every
project
tends
to
be
unhappy
in
their
unique.
You
know
ways
and
have
different
budget
needs.
So
that's
that's
generally.
The
way
we
prefer
to
to
work
I
know
you
know
like,
for
example,
I
think
Jenkins,
you
know,
has
some
hosting
requirements
or
something
for
tests
and
CI
that
they
run
that
we
kind
of
needed
to
deal
with
it
Microsoft
or
will
donate
some
credits
there,
but
I
need
to
double
check
with
them.
I
honestly,
don't
know
what
Spinnaker's
need
large.
D
B
E
E
D
H
A
A
D
F
E
D
Nothing
you're
gonna
have
to
change
regarding
package
names
or
anything
like
that.
You
will
to
update
your
websites.
Basically,
the
governing
board
is
going
to
probably
put
forth
some
guidelines
for
like
on
the
bottom.
Things
will
be
like
copy
your
right.
You
know.
Spinnaker
projects
will
be
copyright,
the
Linux
Foundation
and
a
reference
to
the
trademark
policy
I.
Let
it
stick
that
will
happen.
It's
not
an
immediate
rush,
but
you
know
kind
of
the
beauty
of
this
and
kind
of
working
in
the
Linux
Foundation.
D
Yeah,
it's
totally
a
little
question
to
ask.
I've
went
through
the
renaming
of
like
go
package,
nightmares
and
stuff
like
that.
It's
it's
we're
all
good
you'll
have
to
remove
any
like
company
branding
that
you
know
ties
it
to
a
specific
company.
You
know
you
could
have
like
an
about
page
that
you
know
says
you
know
horn,
you
know
or
net
Netflix,
but
you
know
maintained
by
people
from
all
over
the
world.
Yadda
yadda.
So.
D
D
I
Jenkins
project
we've
got
a
discussion
coming
up
with
some
fella
infrastructure
people,
yeah
I,
don't
know
if
spinnaker
cuz
I'm
assuming
there's
some
infrastructure
assets
already
out
there
for
first
spinnaker.
If
y'all
have
already
started
a
discussion
with
LF
on
what
we
should
strive
to
consolidate
versus
what
makes
sense
to
maintain
independent
versus
what
should
be
operated
by
Ella,
but
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
up.
That
word
we're
going
to
start
having
discussion
from
the
Jenkins
project
and
just
see
what
we
can
operate.
I
A
mystically
consolidate
yeah
and
it
may
make
some
point
in
the
future.
I
don't
know
if
this
is
a
toc
level,
30
yep,
but
at
some
point
in
the
future,
I
would
like
to
have
a
discussion
around
what
shared
pieces
of
infrastructure
we
might
want
to
rely
on
because
I
think
that'll
make
it
easier
for
us
to
secure
budget
for
these
things.
Yah.
B
Yah
Malini
from
like
Netflix
sorry,
the
spinnaker
somebody
run
involved
in
spinning
running
spinning
as
in
protein.
That
would
be
a
I
think
it'd
be
great
to
have
that
person
also
join
the
same
call,
but
we're
just
kind
of
like
an
you
know
the
discovering
they
are
doing
the
discovery
at
the
moment
like
know
what
we,
what
we
currently
round
like
what
the
linux
foundation
for
a
team
has
traditionally
down
with
the
I.
D
Think
there's
all
kind
of
basic
things
of
like
you
know.
Generally
we,
the
the
philosophy,
we've
operated
each
project
kind
of
decides.
You
know
what
it
needs.
Some
need.
Some
are
just
happy
with.
You
know.
Third
party
online
kind
of
service
really
cure
to
Ronnie.
You
know
tests
and
all
that
some
need
actual
dedicated
hardware.
D
E
Standpoint
you
with
respect
to
infrastructure
everything
you
just
covered
makes
sense,
but
there's
also
in
my
mind,
additional
infrastructure.
For
example.
I.
Consider,
like
you
know,
Travis
CI
or
artifactory
discourse,
and
then
the
big
one
I'm
curious
that
the
Linux
Foundation
has
a
relationship.
The
slack
yeah.
D
I
I
D
Yeah
ventually
will
also
move
to
the
model
where,
like
current
assets,
that
are
like
owned
by
companies
or
individuals,
will
eventually
be
transferred
over
to
a
lot
lfi
t
for
shared
management.
Essentially,
and
then,
if
you
need
to
like
the
dns
or
something
you
all
go,
you
all
go
through
like
the
Linux
Foundation
Service
Desk,
essentially
to
get
that
or
they
can
chemically
art
assets.
Instead
of
you
know,
one
person
holding
all
the
SSH
keys
for
I.
B
D
Tyler
volunteered
or
started
startup,
so
yeah,
and
then
the
goal
for
that
for
timeline
is
you
know,
I'm
hoping
after
the
Governing
Board
meets,
improves
a
budget
and
kind
of
just
gets
gets
operational
on
their
own.
We
still
kind
of
have
this
table.
It's
called
bootstrapping,
so
probably
Mae
would
be
a
good
time
to
kind
of
make
formal
start
making
formal
requests
and
I'll
do
my
best.
Take
care
of
any
intermediate
leave
energy.
You
know
getting
it
says:
CI
credits
expiring
soon
or
something
that
potentially
we
need
to
deal
with.
Yeah
I'm
up.