Continuous Delivery Foundation Technical Oversight Committee, 10 Sep 2019

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CDF TOC meeting 09/10/2019

A

There was, let's see who was that fatty? How do you say that name being white? One of the one of the other folks who was on the call last time was talking about missed notifications. I got the notification, you know, I think a lot of us added corrected.

A

The notifications I wanted to make sure that we had addressed anything in particular of urgency when I went through I didn't see anything super urgent or even that needed a response, but that makes me believe that I'm missing it so I wanted to follow up to see if he could point at the specific issues to make sure that we did not miss something that doesn't look like he is he on today.

B

Thanks for enabling locations, I.

A

Just want to make sure that we didn't leave. You know a particularly issue hanging.

B

A

You your showing up kind of weird on the your showing up as Benjamin Bryl so or maybe Benjamin just waved. At the same time, no.

C

Maybe I'm doubly myself but.

D

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C

So I don't know the other one person is also in Paris, but normally not. Okay,.

A

All right have.

C

A

Welcome everyone yeah: this will be a very short meeting, I'm afraid we're we're missing our main leadership, so they're not here for us to harass or front them to harass us in turn, but let's see did Kay ever did case show up yet no all right. Let's go ahead and come back to that one hopefully she'll, be here a little bit later.

A

So, let's see Tracy. Do you want to talk a little bit about outreach e, since that was sort of the thing that you early yeah.

F

F

Can see that the reference documents yeah, please feel free to sign in so September 5th was the deadline for the next round of outreach II from the perspective of communities signing up and yet really pleased to say: we've got Jenkins Jenkins, X and Tecton, who are signed up and accepted as communities for the next round. So that's pretty exciting and I've got this document here as well, which gives some more details but essentially what's happening.

F

Next is for each of these projects we're identifying mentors and identifying projects which are around 12 weeks in length for folks who have programming experience but are typically new to open source and it covers any aspect, so it could be documentation, it could be coding, it could be UX and actually, we've got the coordinator for the Jenkins X community here with Cara and Cara's.

F

Also X outreach the alumni so actually Cara's wondering if you would be open to maybe just staying a bit for folks who aren't familiar with outreach E and if there's anything you're looking for specifically from the Jenkins X community.

E

Probably the easiest way for you to grok outreach e that will be familiar for you is to think of it as a very similar to ji-suk. So it's same sort of thing. We have mentees for or interns for three months who work on a special proposal or projects within an open source project and they have mentors and they have regular deadlines. Regular, read meetings with their mentors and they'll be blogging about their activities with outreach as well.

E

So it's a really nice way to extend your community and also to bring this element of like regular mentorship into your community, which is really lovely. All right enjoyed my time on outreach e, so much I worked with Jaeger tracing and it's fantastic. It was an amazing experience in open source and on a very technical project.

E

So I enjoyed everything about it and I'm very happy that we're bringing out Ricci to Jenkins X in the next round, I working with the Jenkins ex community, so number the engineers and we're specking out two proposals which he does recommend, even if you're, only even if you are funding for one intern to put up at least two proposals, because then you're almost guaranteed to have good you double your chances of having good applicants.

E

If you have two separate types of proposals to attract people, they also have a small body of funding where, if you do have two very very good mentees you've applied for both of your projects, they might be able to match fund for the for the one that you don't have funding for. So it's worth putting up at least two proposals.

F

Yeah and Tara you are coordinating for Tecton. Do you want to say anything about tech films in both? Were they looking for anything from the community.

A

I'm sure yeah so mostly I'm, coordinating because Christy Wilson is really good at getting me to do things for her.

A

She will actually be the mentor for the project Tecton itself, as I'm sure you were aware, not much I, don't think it's actually even as old as Jenkins acts in a very real way, so they're still figuring out some things, there's some new resources on the Google side that have been added some senior folks, which will be helpful, so I will I'm in New York this week, where the Tecton team is based, so I will be pestering them to start thinking about identifying some projects. There. Certainly there's, certainly no lack of things to do.

A

It's making sure that we identify things that are in turn appropriate, and you know so that they're good growth opportunities and nothing that's too senior and scaring folks away so hopefully, by the next meeting. We'll have we'll have something good to report there. Yeah.

F

And maybe, if the next meeting, we can highlight all the project proposals and if Jenkins side I'm coordinating- and we have one proposal so far, which is actually project I'd, almost love to do, because it involves the github apps API in looking at integrating Jenkins tharok with github, apps, exciting and Matt sick' will be mentoring that one hey um and just finally I think we'll probably have some tweets go out on the CD. Foundation Twitter account.

F

So if everybody can help by just retweeting those, so we reach a wide pool of potential interns would give ourselves the best chance of getting good books to to join our communities. Any question on CDF and our creaky.

C

Yeahjust equation would it be on linux foundation, twitter or you have a CD formation tweet out, because I didn't found it.

A

There's a foundation, Twitter I think it's C, D foundation, CDF, wait. I always have to look this up.

C

Yeah, if you can put me the link inside I'll,.

D

Put the link in the description.

F

So, moving on next, we have just a bit of housekeeping. We have the CDF contributors summit back in August, which was co-located with dev ops, all Jenkins world and I've now created a chalk repository. If people don't know on the CD foundation github, there is a location where we share all talks from the events. I've created a folder for the contributor summit, San Francisco and the readme has links to the talks and their PDFs as well, so depending on whether it's slides links or PDA. So yeah.

F

Please take a look if you want copies of any of the talks from those events and I'd like if anybody knows any speakers who were there, particularly the Tecton and the Jenkins, there were a number of really good speakers and I keep getting asked for the talks, so if they could submit pull requests and just link to their talks there, that would be really great.

A

I'm, sorry, for which, for which or the contributor summit or the summit in North America the.

F

Past can't to summit focus into nineteen pieces. Go. Oh you.

A

Already added stars I'm running behind on the notes, but you're ahead of me. So good and Benjamin I added the link there at the bottom for the Twitter profile, yeah.

C

It sorry thank you, so what.

G

Are you around you can Twitter handle up the top, so we don't need to put that here.

C

So when do you plan to do something in Europe.

F

Well, we had the CD summit earlier and we might have some city of presents at DevOps all Jenkins well in Lisbon, which will be in December but I. Don't think, we've looked further than that, but you can just as any other events you think we can might be of interest. Where are you based? We.

C

Are in Paris, but we opened London.

F

C

Mean UK Germany, Sweden, Spain and designer 2020, so I mean we invest everything inside Europe, so Mike, so yeah I mean I. I had first all quiz done, but we need to go deeper with with Julia from the marketing team to understand exactly how we can help you and how we can have a bonus benefit benefit on this and also I mean yeah. It's like I had some other question, but I'm not sure this is the right place to do. Is I see that you have Jane Keynes values project. What about your relation with concours.

A

Pivotal is a contributor to, or as a member of the CDF community so and there there's a fair number of contributors to the Tecton project. Specifically I can I can speak at least that much so there's definitely ongoing engagement with those folks, mm-hmm.

C

Okay, because we are contributing quite a lot on this topic, so I was I was wondering what you are doing, because, while we are not really all aware, we are just quite new on the deformation to understand how well yeah.

A

The goal is to come to some form of shared strategic vision, I think from from an industry perspective around this stuff.

A

So those you know, those conversations are ongoing and now is a great time to I think get involved because there's you know the earlier the better as far as providing opinion and input European presence I was also going to talk to Kim and Dan Lawrence about whether or not there's Linux Foundation, generally or CDF, specifically that maybe for Google next London I wasn't sure if that was something that was also going to be a possibility, but I'm in New York this week.

A

So I had a chance to talk to Kim, but hopefully we'll have some news about that. Soon.

F

Yeah I expect you'll have more European presence and me suddenly haven't mapped out events for 2020, yet I.

A

Actually think Google next might be at the same time as the Lisbon event, so you might have two options in Europe.

C

We don't hear you well I.

F

Mean oh yeah, I, think Google next to the same week as cube con North America, but it might.

A

Be it's what made me wonder if there's an opportunity for us to be at both events, so.

F

We have the call for papers for CD summit in North America in San Diego, and that closes this Friday. So if you think you can be there, please do submit a session and please promote out to the to your communities.

C

On our side, we have found to develop in Europe for any helping year to reach more knowledgeable things on on European market, and we have also an evangelist who is coming. So we will be able to speak on any kind of technical yeah. I think I mean.

C

To speak on, I mean any European invent and next year, so we plan also to build some dedicated develops event in Europe, so in fact I mean in in the values capital that I have mentioned. So not sure. If you can be involved on this topic, we are quite close to AWS, GCP and azure, so the they will also invest on this topic, but we will leave the topic on the develops path, so not know how we can be linked to see deformation.

C

Also to help you to have some more audience and dedicated to devotes is.

A

There a link that you could point us at. Maybe you could mail it to the list. Yeah.

C

We are planning to deliver it on October, because I mean really who came just arrived couple of weeks ago. So there are things to do, but yeah I mean and definitely we are pro open source, so I'm an extra that guy's working a lot on open source stuff. So we released values open source technologies and we continue also to release some open source technologies. So definitely if it can be a win-win for us. Let's go.

A

F

Adding we have a specific outreach meeting, so maybe, if you connect with Dan, he can direct you to come along to that or send some folks to that, because they we talk a lot about events and participation in booths of that one. So I think that will be a good forget. Your engagement, yeah.

G

Benjamin I think you are added to that list. That calendar invites should have gone out so I think you're on that, but we're gonna have that a couple weeks. So let's look for that. Yeah.

C

I have an event with you almost every week, I think or more or less so I will be there. So if I can, if I can give any out on every topic in Europe I mean you can count on me for now, no nothing in u.s. or in Asia, but on Europe we invest in quite a lot of found on our side.

G

Cool thanks for that going back I'm, just looking at the next steps for the security sig Tara at all, I guess what I'd like to have just a quick set of eyes on I did create the repository I created a github team, specifically for the cig that has maintainer access, etcetera but I think the settings that llamo will also help steward the repository and I think it'd be a good showcase for us to do that and then replicate that for additional SIG's and working groups.

G

So if, if we can have some eyes on who's who's, the series of admins and who needs specific access, please put in some pull requests for that file and I'm happy to update that I just made it quickly. So if everyone can take a look at that and triage, it I'm happy to modify it as speedy yeah.

A

You got my name in there. A lot of places are yeah.

G

I know you don't have to be that so I.

A

Don't mind but I'm certainly happy to be a reviewer yeah. Let me get with it's just a little tricky I think the two biggest voices for this aren't Lea aren't here today and but I will definitely follow up.

G

That's why I put your name in there, but it does not ask yeah your.

A

Job to replace yourself.

G

Cool, thank you all and then I think the last thing I'd like to just schedule and put on our agenda for the next couple weeks years to get a in-depth demo from the Linux Foundation product team on community bridge. There's a lot of cool stuff coming in the pipe for that product offering in especially as we talked about outreach e. We look to maybe community bridge to help facilitate some project.

G

Specific internships and mentorship programs crowdfunding a bunch of other analytics that we can ascertain from link so it'd be good for us to get a once-over and in-depth once-over of community bridge and see how we can best leverage it for CDF. That.

A

Sounds great I'm sure.

G

I will schedule that with everyone, but look for that in the next couple weeks. That's.

A

I think any opportunity we have to learn as a new foundation is a good thing. Cool thing. Do we want to talk about the APAC time zones? Do we have some folks from APEC who are you know that we're forcing to either be on it 3:00 in the morning or who are just aren't joining because of the time I mean we've put this off for a couple of meetings now, I just want to make sure that we're not excluding someone by not addressing this.

G

Sure I'm lookin for how to schedule or reschedule or have additive I, dunno and I've been watching some traffic using our zoom for specific asia-pac.

G

Working groups around teams there and I believe China and Japan are using our our zoom but off hours that may make it easier for them during their working hours. What I'm happy to start looking at a a better time or early in the morning or later in the evening, it.

A

Was gonna, say I think when we were getting ready for cube con Shanghai?

A

It was evening it was like 6:00 p.m. West Coast, but that means 9 p.m. Eastern. Yep I mean I'm, maybe a you know an every other type of thing, but maybe we should do. We have a who's where at the moment, maybe we should start with that.

A

As far as known members and then figure out a schedule, cuz I don't want to act. You know I, don't want to have those the worst problem, which is when all of a sudden Europe is excluded, because it's ya.

B

A

We have European collaborators, so maybe we should start with building a map of who's where and then once we have that we can figure out some sort of pivot, maybe for all time's yeah.

G

We can also put maybe a Google Form up with proposed times that work for your timezone and maybe massage that into form, but I'm not sure we should probably do both do kind of a roster of who's where and then also what time zones would work. What times of the time zones would work best? Okay,.

A

Is there should we just set up a spreadsheet for that or.

G

I'll set something up for like a Google Foreman spreadsheet awesome.

A

B

Mask something because you have been mentioning about the I suppose you can also Google at the same time, in some of the communities I contribute to. We have people from the Pacific who can't access Google services. So, like is the Google like a good place. Google Docs.

A

G

We could use our mail list poll as well. It's just the.

B

Meeting meeting minutes like this document is on Google Docs and people can't read this offline if they are not holding informatics. That is a very good.

A

Point, um yes, it is, can you guys can folks see github.

B

Yeah I don't I'm from Europe, but like some people, I talked to they can't use Google, but they can use github. Okay,.

A

Well, maybe we need to migrate this to github, gist doc or markdown. That's a really good point. I I knew I should I should have known better having gone to China and like wait all my stuff go. That's another really good point. Okay,.

A

We're missing a good chunk of the TOC Tracey. Is this something we should go ahead and start working on I'm happy to help with this.

F

Yeah, if you can, if you're happy to to drive that I'm sure we can all support and I know, specifically, we've got Rick from one of our member companies a loader and he's he there's a lot in Jenkins, so he's probably a good person who can provide some input as to what people can and can't access and what a good alternatives. Okay,.

A

Could you reach out to him and maybe start a convo, then we could just start. My I mean if github is okay and then let's just move everything over there and that this is yeah. We should get out of the Google space.

G

Yeah I took a couple notes there so discuss possible alternatives and then creating the roster of who's. Where and at what times work fast.

G

That's really I mean from my standpoint. That's all I really wanted to make sure we have eyes on the sig, which was the most important thing. I think we need to get through today.

G

Kazuki has a proposal and a full request for I. Think of a working group for just instantiating working groups and establishing the roadmap. I think we've discussed a little bit about the roadmap and Terry. You brought up some good points about like how do we prioritize what projects we want to bring in? What? What does our life look like down the road? So how do we create that roadmap? We might need to create some reference architecture and some guidance around some of our vision. Statements.

A

Some comments on that I certainly have a lot of opinions, they're, not necessarily the right ones. It can at least be something we can start arguing about. So I will make a note to get a to get a response going on that PR yeah.

G

That's perfect, I mean even just comments and opinions on it and you know just kick it off. So how can I sit up? Yes,.

A

Thank you for the reminder. It's like there's something else, but yep.

G

I think that that also plays out, for you know some of the call to actions I'm gonna start putting out. Is you we're? Gonna, have vendors come forward with case studies and use cases? I do want to.

A

G

A kind of the higher level governance side and then marketing side is that I would like to start positioning vertical solutions. You know like CI, CD in healthcare or aerospace and defense or whatever it might be as illustrating how to propel this into different markets. So if we can also think through from text deck and reference referencing, our model that way, I think that would be wise for us to just start that conversation. What is the most effective way to bring this to you.

A

Last discussion I think we were talking about at least initially about migration paths right these verticals they're, not in cloud they're, not containerized. You know how to get them from point A to point B, with a fairly large number of steps in between I think there's. Maybe a combination of tech stack and vertical make I mean this could get complicated very quickly, but I think if we identify some, you know maybe prioritized key targets.

A

We could try and focus on those to make some forward progress, and that would be something I think it would be really interesting to make sure that we're discussing across all the you know. This has potential impacts on both something like Tecton as well as spinnaker, as well as all the other third party integration offerings. So there's.

A

I think we want to lay kind of a preliminary outline and then figure out some. You know who needs to be involved in some of these on a more targeted basis as far as how we want to propose either a best practice that term itself can be a little bit twitchy. Maybe even just you know, building up example: libraries like there's a much different way as I could see this going.

A

But the main main thing that you know from from my perspective is that we don't overemphasize containerization necessarily as part of that process, just because we don't want to exclude a huge body of potential collaborators who are just not there yet absolutely.

G

That's a great loss.

A

The mean I think and that's also I think a key differentiator between us and the CNC F. For example, I focus.

G

On on containerization yep, yep, okay,.

A

So yes, I am now motivators. They finish all these performance reviews that are due in a couple of days. I will be honest. Your.

G

But I know I appreciate those comments. I think we just need to kick off some of that discussion for our next so but yeah.

A

Absolutely we're kind of slacking on that. Okay, awesome.

A

Hey anyone else, I.

G

Was quick and painless guys you get some minutes back to your life today, but if you guys have any feedback on the security sig, please do take a look at that and have fun in a few minutes. Back: okay,.

A

Fathers kazoom is blocked in China. Okay. That will add that, to the list of things that we may need to address, yay, okay,.

H

Watch everyone wall a couple weeks, Cheers all right.