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00:00 Meeting Commences, Attendance/Apologies, Confirmation of Minutes, Conflict of Interest Declarations, Committee Forward Planning Schedule
01:50 Reports & Presentations 6.1, 7.1,7.2
03:40 General Business 8.1 Dog Enclosure
12:20 General Business 8.2 Review of Public Toilets
20:17 General Business 8.3 MOU Rural Fire Brigade
Meeting Closed
A
Nine
welcome
to
round
828,
let's
put
a
symmetry
there.
This
is,
of
course,
the
lifestyle
and
Community
Committee,
and
let
me
welcome
all
member
directors,
I
mean
councilors,
our
deputy
mayor
and
all
visitors
director
morning
to
our
wonderful
secretarial
minute,
taking
team
good
morning
and
to
our
city
officers
our
managers,
people
on
the
ground,
making
this
all
happen
good
morning
today
we
don't
have
a
big
agenda.
However,
we
do
have
a
few
matters
of
General
business.
A
A
Thank
you
very
much
councilors
any
other
apologies!
No
wonderful,
no
leaves
of
absence
confirmation
of
minutes.
We
can
deal
as
deal
with
as
a
start
item
unless
there
are
any
questions.
No
any
conflict
of
interest
declarations
to
my
councilors
I
will
deal
with
that.
Any
questions
on
the
committee
forward
planning
schedule.
A
B
A
A
Were
there
any
questions,
no
happy
to
leave
that
as
a
start
item-
okay,
great,
which
leaves
us
with
7.2
I,
was
quite
satisfied
with
that
item
myself
councilors.
If
you
had
any
questions
or
would
like
a
presentation,
we
can
certainly
keep
that
as
an
unstyled
item.
If
there
was
a
counselor
would
like
to
move
it
in
particular
happy
for
that
happy
to
leave
it
as
a
start
on
him,
okay,
what
council,
so
what
I
propose
doing
then
is
asking
for
someone
to
move
items
to
through
7.2.
A
Then
we
can
get
onto
the
business
of
General
business
councilor
Neil.
Did
you
indicate
you
wanted
to
move
that
seconded
councilor
Le
castra,
councilors
I
will
put
that
to
a
vote
all
those
in
favor
all
those
against
that
is
carried
Council
Gates.
Would
you
like
to
open
up
a
general
discussion
on
your
dog
enclosure.
B
B
So,
given
that
the
officers
had
thought
it
was
a
viable
location,
it
went
to
public
ad
in
the
annual
presentation
of
parks
for
consideration
as
leash
free
areas
and
I.
I
honestly,
don't
know
what
the
response
to
that
was
other
than
it
became
a
designated
off-leash
area
for
dogs,
and
so
no
signage
has
ever
been
erected,
but
I
popped
a
little
notice
on
Facebook
that
the
infrastructure
was
going
in
so
a
fence
and
a
water
bubbler
and
into
the
future.
B
Some
shade
and
there's
been
the
most
incredible
Community
outcry
about
that
area
in
particular,
because
there's
a
block
of
units
that
go
along
one
of
the
boundaries.
Basically
they
back
onto
the
proposed
area
or
well,
it's
actually
designated,
but
no
one
is
aware
that
it
is
designated
because
there's
no
signage
as
I
understand
it.
A
It's
a
direct
and
Council
Gates.
Would
you
be
comfortable
if
a
memo
be
circulated
to
all
councils,
because
I
know
I
certainly
receive
requests?
Yeah
and
I
wouldn't
mind
just
an
overview
of
the
process,
around
identification,
Community
consultation
thresholds
which
need
to
be
met
in
order
to
support
a
project
and
whether
or
not
gazetal
required
a
vote
of
council
which
may
be
another
opportunity
for
us
to
intervene
and
the
process
for
unstitching
you're
comfortable
with
that
councilor
Gates.
B
Yes,
it
would
be
helpful.
I
know
that
I
referred
it
to
Michael
Smith
yesterday
and
he
responded
to
me
that
he
was
trying
to
get
further
advice.
So
I'm
not
trying
to
say
that
the
officers
haven't
assisted
me.
They
have
and
they've
been
very
helpful
and
Scott
as
well,
but
I
just
think
it's
a
problem
and
I
I
don't
know
how
to
resolve
it,
because
it's
not
one.
That's
I've
advised
the
people
that
we've
been
through
the
appropriate
consultation
process.
Some
were
so
angry
that
they
decided
they'd
go
to
write
to
information.
B
I
could
only
give
them
a
copy
of
the
letter
that
I
had
distributed,
which
I
did
myself
so
I
know
that
it
went
into
every
letterbox
and
I.
Think
I
got
three
responses,
so
I
thought
there
was
General,
perhaps
apathy
about
it.
So
why
not
proceed
and
then
it
went
to
the
community
consultation
I,
don't
know
what
that
involved
through.
C
The
chairs,
so
what
we'll
do
councilor
Gates
apart
from
I,
mean
it's
a
very
good
idea
for
the
memo
to
be
distributed
to
your
wall,
to
outline
the
process
and
look
at
what
those
benchmarks
are
in
terms
of
a
decision
on
on
whether
you
know
we
would
go
ahead
with
something
like
this
or
not,
and
the
consultation
so
consider
that
we'll
be
done
in
your
particular
example.
We'll
look
back
at
the
results
of
the
consultation
that
we
undertook
as
well
as
your
own
I,
have
seen
the
situation
before.
C
D
Mr,
chair
I'll,
just
let's
Council
Gates,
know
I've
had
a
similar
situation
in
a
park
in
coolangatta
and
everything
seemed
fine,
and
then
you
know
when
we
sort
of
issued
some
information
about
the
events
going
up.
It
wasn't
fine,
it's
still
a
designated
off-leash
area
and
the
and
and
the
people
who
live
on
the
park
around
the
park
are
fine
with
that.
They
just
didn't
want
the
fenced
area.
D
So
but
it
is,
it
is
a
bit
of
a
gray
area
as
to
how
much
consultation
and
the
time
frame,
because
you're
right
your
budget
for
this
stuff
way
ahead
of
when
you
actually
do
it.
So
I
came
up
against
the
same
problem,
but
we
didn't
end
up
putting
the
fence
in.
We
decided
that
we
wouldn't
because
it
was
both
close
to
Residents
and
but
they
were
okay
for
the
offly
sure
to
stay
designated.
So
we
had
a
bit
of
a
win.
I
guess.
A
Those
haven't
been
supported
by
officers,
so
I
think
we
need
to
have
a
general
discussion
around
our
approach
to
signage.
We
don't
want
a
proliferation
of
signage,
but
if
science
can
help
mitigate
nuisance
concerns
and
not
overburden
our
animal
management
team
who
need
to
be
responding
to
things
like
dog
attacks,
I
think
we
need
to
be
a
little
bit
more
pragmatic
on
the
issue
of
signage
and
I'm,
not
sure
if
we
do
this,
but
it'd
be
interesting.
A
B
Well,
the
problem
for
these
residents
is
in
order
to
apply
for
right
to
information,
to
get
the
results
of
the
survey
and
what
actually
occurred.
It
takes
25
days
and
there's
no
time
frame
with
the
work
due
to
commence
in
on
the
1st
of
March,
so
I
think,
there's
currently
a
pause
on
it
and
I'd
like
to
ensure
that
that
happens
until
we
thoroughly
assess
yeah.
A
Pay
so
we
have
a
policy
governing
the
administrative
release
of
information,
so
you
may
want
to
go
back
to
the
residence
and
say
while
you're
waiting
for
the
25
days
and
it's
on
our
website
if
they
send
an
email
with
the
subject
request
for
the
administrative
release
of
information.
That
is
a
process
which
is
at
no
cost
and
often
quicker
than
an
RTI.
Okay,.
B
A
A
E
A
E
So
this
is
kind
of
vandalism,
people
using
them
for
uses
they
shouldn't
be
using
them
for
and
I
had
a
matter
that
occurred
recently
with
the
police,
where
they
were
taking
people
who
would
there
was
public
defecation,
they
took
them
for
criminal
Behavior
put
them
before
the
courts
and
their
defense
lawyer
successfully
argued
that
it's
fine
that
they're
doing
that,
because
the
toilets
are
locked
at
night
time.
So
we
had
a
discussion
with
the
officers
and
with
the
police
about
what's
the
worst
here
and
at
that
time
it
was
decided.
Look.
C
C
This
is
the
one
you
talked
about
Council
of
Oster,
which
we
designed
in-house
and
because
we
designed
it
in-house,
we
were
very
quickly
able
to
get
in
and
replace
the
components,
whereas
we
don't
have
that
ability
necessarily
with
the
off-the-shelf
products.
So
I'm
very
happy
to
bring
a
report
back
to
you
all
on
this.
It's
very
complex
and
it's
sort
of
great
interest,
I,
think
to
everybody.
A
I
remember
shortly
after
my
election,
City
officers
came
in
and
said
our
Council
I've
got
some
good
news.
We've
got
this
project
building
a
toilet
block
at
the
Robina
City,
Parklands
and
I
said:
okay
whereabouts.
Oh
it's
at
the
entrance.
It's
the
end
of
the
cul-de-sac,
okay,
how
much
I
think
at
the
time
it
was
355
000
dollars
for
a
dollar
block
and
admittedly
there
were
multiple
toilets,
but
we're
not
talking
about
something
as
luxurious
as
the
Paradise
Point
and
toilet
blocks,
but
I
I
remember,
pulling
up
the
website
for
metricon
homes
and
I.
A
Think
I
commented
to
the
officers
at
the
time.
I
might
look
for
the
same
price.
Not
only
can
I
get
the
toilets,
but
I
can
get
a
living
room,
kitchen,
four
bedrooms
and
all
the
rest,
so
I
I
yeah,
well,
the
the
mining
set
was
used
for
the
master
planning
for
the
first
stage
of
the
green
hearts.
In
the
end,
it
was
a
a
good
outcome,
but
I
think
the
community's,
often
confronted
particularly
by
the
cost
of
a
toilet
block.
A
C
You're,
absolutely
right,
Council
vorster,
in
fact
the
the
example
you
cited
earlier
of
the
toilet
book
that
got
so
heavily
vandalized
really
demonstrates
why
we
have
to
effectively
over
engineer
some
of
these
toilets
in
some
of
these
locations.
We
know
are
subject
to
this
sort
of
abuse
and
that
all
comes
at
a
cost
and
it
comes
at
a
cost
to
the
right
payer,
which
is
very
unfortunate.
The
other
comment
I'd
like
to
make
is,
as
many
of
you
know,
the
quotes
that
we
give
for
these
include
the
provision
of
services.
C
So
it's
not
just
the
building
alone.
It's
providing
the
sewage
line,
the
concrete
paths
and
all
of
the
additional
bits
that
make
that
toilet
a
functional
amenity,
it's
not
just
the
building
and-
and
you
know
when
you
look
at
the
cost
of
providing
that
infrastructure,
whether
it
be
public
or
private,
all
of
those
Services,
the
associated
infrastructure-
has
to
be
considered.
But,
yes,
public
infrastructure
is
expensive.
It's
designed
to
last
out.
A
A
A
It
reads
as
follows:
counselors
and
if
there's
a
second
I'm
happy
to
provide
the
background,
that
a
report
be
brought
forward
to
the
special
budget
committee
for
consideration
during
deliberations
of
the
city
budget,
2324,
proposing
to
establish
a
memorandum
of
understanding
with
the
rural
fire
service
to
formalize
the
eligibility
criteria
for
the
expenditure
of
the
volunteer
fire
brigade
charge
if
I
have
a
seconder
happy
to
talk
to
that
councilor
Belden.
Thank
you
councilors.
A
When
there's
probably
a
little
bit
of
a
gray
area.
The
rural
fire
service
has
been
working
with
City
officers
following
the
representations,
councilor
Hamill
and
I
have
made
to
come
to
an
agreement
around
what
things
should
be
ruled
in
and
what
things
should
be
ruled
out
and
how
we're
represented
on
the
local
spending
committee
Council.
What's
that
committee
called
the
local
anyway
there's
a
local
committee
that
memorandum
of
understanding
is
99
of
the
way
drafted.
A
A
This
is
at
the
request
of
the
rural
fire
service.
It
represents
the
work.
That's
been
done.
I'll
come
to
council
Gates,
then
Council
Armin
Jones
by
City
officers,
and
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
review
it
before
it's
potentially
executed.
I
know
it's
contentious.
I
know
that
may
at
times
has
not
wanted
to
collect
a
levy.
We've
now
resolved
that
it
become
a
permanent
feature
of
our
rates
notice,
but
it's
not
working
for
the
rural
fieries
at
the
moment.
The
highest
levels
of
their
leadership.
A
F
In
preparing
the
framework,
does
it
clearly
identify
the
areas
that
the
state
government
has
already
providing
them
funding
for
so
I
reckon
that
that
is
the
very
first
building
block
so
that
we
don't
fall
into
effectively
cost
shifting
and
meet
the
obligations
of
the
state
government
in
servicing
their
Emergency
Services?
Yes,
so.
A
F
And-
and
the
second
point
is
that
my
observations
of
the
rural
fire
brigade
is
clearly
all
volunteer
based.
The
Gold
Coast
brigades
are
incredibly
well-funded
operationally
in
comparison
to
some
of
the
other
brigades
in
Queensland
and
in
particular,
in
regards
to
not
requiring
to
do
Chuck
Raffles
to
raise
funds.
But
when
they
are
mobilized
by
the
state
government,
they
can
be
mobilized
to
go
anywhere
in
Queensland
or
in
and
Interstate
the
consumables
that
they
are
funded
for
by
their
rate
payers
at
Gold.
Coast
I
think
that
that
needs.
A
What
they're!
Finding,
though,
is
that
there
are
I'll,
give
you
an
example.
There
are
respirators,
you
know
special
masks
or
what
have
you
that
little
fire
brigade
members
might
use
in
action
and
they
need
to
be
stored
in
a
particular
environment
so
that
they're
not
covered
in
accumulated
dust
and
what
have
you
which
can
impact
their
operation?
A
Now,
a
real
I
think
the
cabinet
is
about
five
thousand
dollars
to
stop
properly
store
those
masks
and
that's
something
that
the
brigades
would,
in
their
view,
like
this
fund
to
help
cover
it's
a
cabinet,
it's
five
thousand
dollars,
and
it
means
that
their
masks
can
be
used.
Now
you
might
hold
a
view
that
that
is
capital
and
you've
got
no
interest
in
giving
them
a
space
to
Saw
The
Masks,
because
that's
the
responsibility
of
the
state
government.
A
What
this
mou
will
do
is
allow
us
to
rule
those
sorts
of
expenditure
items
in
or
out
at
the
moment,
there's
an
absence
of
an
eligibility
criteria
and
a
framework.
It
comes
down
to
a
committee
and
there
are
some
inconsistent
rulings
which
advantage
some
brigades
and
disadvantage
some
brigades
and
is
causing
a
bit
of
frustration.
It's
also
leading
to
an
under
expenditure
of
what
we're
collecting.
A
A
B
F
B
A
It
gives
them
a
more
a
strengthened
position
to
negotiate
with
their
state
counterparts,
knowing
that
there
is
something
black
and
white
that
says
what
they're
asking
for
can't
come
from
another
Revenue
source,
and
all
that
does
is.
It
allows
us
to
define
the
purposes
for
which
we
are
collecting
the
levy
and
from
just
a
simple
governance
point
of
view.
We
should
have
a
document
that
we
can
provide
to
external
organizations
to
say
what's
in
and
what's
out
yeah
at
the
moment,
we
don't
have
that
it's
an
opposite
discretion.
A
B
D
A
We've
had
a
philosophical
argument
and
I
was
there,
obviously
not
as
a
counselor
but
as
a
city
officer
in
the
midst
of
all
of
that
still
remember
when
the
mayor
was
rattling,
the
tin
in
front
of
the
chambers
and
putting
a
two
dollar
coin
in
it.
To
make
the
point
that
said,
we
we
didn't
collect
it.
Then
we
collected
it.
A
Then
we
called
it
a
transitional
Levy
and
then
we
decided
I
think
last
budget
to
remove
the
word
transitional,
so
For,
Better
or
Worse
we've
resolved
as
a
council
that
we're
in
the
business
of
collecting
this
Levy
the
RFS
simply
asking
well
what's
the
purpose
of
the
levy
so
that
they
can
have
some
certainty
in
how
they
can
use
it,
and
that's
from
the
advice
that
I've
received
from
the
RFS
and
city
offices.
That's
not
in
conflict
with
any
review
of
their
service
delivery
or
rationalization
of
stations.
It's
not
in
conflict
is.
A
G
Through
YouTube,
my
understanding
is
it
rolls
over
that,
because
it's
collected
underneath
that
separate
level
you
can't
be
used
or
anything
else
it
just
rolls
over
which,
since
I'm
on
the
mic
was
going
to
bring
me
to,
the
one
point
I
was
going
to
add
is
that
there
was
Community
uproar
when
the
transitional
part
was
explained.
I
think
there
would
be
considerable
uproar
if
the
community
was
defined,
that
we've
got
a
big
pot
of
money
sitting
there.
That's
not
getting
spent
while
real
Ferraris
are
asking
questions
about
what
it
can
be
used
for
yeah.
So.
A
A
D
Thanks
chair
and
I
I
do
support
your
motion.
There
I
just
hope,
it's
clear
and
obviously,
since
you've
had
meetings
with
rural
fires,
it
probably
will
be
clear
to
them
that
we
are
trying
to
help
not
hinder,
but
it's
interesting
that
the
state
government
doesn't
actually
outline
what
they
mean
by
Capital
as
well.
So
I
think
that
they
need
to
do.
D
Maybe
they
need
to
be
approached
by
the
rural
fiery
board
to
to
actually
ask
them
to
outline
what
they
mean
by
Capital
as
well,
because
it
shouldn't
just
be
left
up
to
us
and
and
I
know
that
I
know
that,
from
my
real
furry
Forest
tell
me
that
they
constantly
battle
trying
to
figure
out.
Can
they
spend
this
money
on
this
or
that
so
so?
This
is
I
really
support
this
thanks.
Yeah.
A
And
just
to
be
clear
to
council,
Owen,
Jones
and
counselor
Gates
I
have
no
sense
whatsoever
that
the
rural
fire
brigades
wish
to
have
Council
provide
a
substitute
source
of
funding
for
the
state
government
at
all.
What
they're
merely
looking
for
is
Clarity
around
how
the
funds
that
we
are
already
collecting
can
be
expended
and,
to
the
extent
that
we
exclude
items
which
we
can
in
the
mou,
it
gives
them
a
stronger
negotiating
position
with
their
counterparts
in
the
Professional
Service
councilman
Jones.
F
I'd,
listen,
simplifying
it
and
making
it
clear
is.
Is
the
goal
right
I
think
that
we
all
appreciate
the
fact
that
the
rural
fire
brigade
operatives
themselves
are
all
volunteers
and
they
do
an
outstanding
job
and
we've
always
supported
them.
What
has
always
got
lost
in
this
conversation
is
the
nonsense
that
we
get
from
our
local
state
members
in
regards
to
the
city
abandoning
rural
fire
brigades,
when
we,
when
we've
done
everything
other
than
that.
So
that's
my
only
concern.
F
So,
if
we're
doing
a
memorandum
of
understanding,
I'd
really
hope
that
the
Preamble
is
really
clear
as
to
where
the
rural
fire
brigade
Services
sits
in
the
state
government-controlled
emergency
services
so,
and
we
can,
we
can
happily
confirm.
We
can
actually
confirm
to
our
state
members
that
we
will
never
walk
away
from
those
volunteers,
but
if
they
wanted
to
help,
they
could
actually
put
their
money
where
their
mouth
is
and
fund
the
capital
stuff
that
actually
needs
to
be
funded.
A
F
A
Absolutely
and
we'll
finish
this
off
in
a
second
sorry,
okay,
but
100
and
I.
Think
that's
the
purpose
of
bringing
the
mou
to
us
so
that
we
can
rule
specific
things
in
and
out
and
set
a
threshold
that
we're
comfortable
with,
in
consultation
with
the
RFS,
we're
in
control
of
this
process
that
this
report
outlined
the
obligations
of
the
state
government
to
cover
Capital
purchases
and
other
expenses
to
underpin
the
sustainability.
B
A
A
F
And
I've
been
part
of
budgets
in
the
past,
where
we've
actually
had
a
presentation
from
Representatives
off
the
rural
fiber
guide.
So
maybe
through
your
chair
to
the
director,
that's
maybe
something
that
the
CEO
might
want
to
consider
for
this
year
as
well,
particularly
if
we're
actually
looking
to
formalize
the
mou,
because
ultimately,
those
volunteers
on
the
Gold
Coast
are
the
ones
that
fight
the
fires
and
if
we've
got
something
that
can
be
improved
in
the
mou
by
the
changing
of
a
couple
of
words
having
somebody
with
the
actual
real
life.
A
F
I
think
from
what
I'm
hearing
is,
the
mou
is
quite
Advanced.
I,
just
think
it
would
help
as
decision
makers
if
we
had
a
representative
of
the
of
the
rural
fire
service
as
invited
as
has
happened
in
previous
years.
Yes-
and
it's
just
a
suggestion-
it's
entirely
up
to
the
administration.
If
that's
what
they
think
is.
A
F
Well,
I
actually
think
I
I
at
the
special
budget
meeting,
because
the
mou
is
going
to
have
been
negotiated.
You
know
ultimately
between
the
administration
and
the
RFS,
and
if
it
hasn't
quite
landed
right,
you
know
that's,
maybe
a
really
good
opportunity
for
the
officers
to
say
it
spot
on
we've
nailed
it
or
alternative.
F
C
Through
you,
Mr
chair,
yes,
I'll,
take
that
to
the
CEO
for
discussion,
there's
two
options
in
front
of
us
to
come
back
as
part
of
the
special
budget
committee
with
the
presentation.
Alternatively,
we
can
come
before
you
with
the
real
fire
brigade
prior
to
a
special
budget
committee,
but
I'll
I'll
pass
on.
You
know
your
preferred.
A
Direction
yeah
and
if
it
is
before
a
special
budget
that
they
perhaps
do
a
presentation
of
this
committee,
if
we
could
provide
notice
of
that
presentation
to
all
counselors,
just
wouldn't
want
to
have
a
presentation
at
a
committee
that
might
have
interested
a
counselor
and
they
haven't
taking
the
step
to
attend
all
right.
Happy
where
we've
landed.
It's
consensus
decision
making.