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A
A
Now
we
have
a
apology
from
councillor
hamel
who's,
obviously
attending
to
some
family
matters
at
the
moment.
So
would
someone
like
to
move
the
apology
of
councillor
hamill
moved
by
councillor
pauline
young
second
by
cancer
o'neill
all
in
favor
against
carried?
A
A
Okay,
confirmation
of
minutes.
D
Through
mr
chair
council
young,
it
will
be
the
minutes,
as
recorded
at
the
committee
meeting,
but
also
as
resolved
at
full
council,
and
I
think
that
was
something
we
saw
clarification
of
when
the
new
rules
change,
but
we
we
definitely
do
have
to
do
it.
This
way,
although
it
does
seem
a
bit
around
the
wrong
way,.
D
A
A
We
have
tried
to
clarify
whether
we
could
avoid
it,
but
yeah.
D
E
I
have
received
advice
from
the
city
solicitor
that
this
is
not
necessary,
but
in
order
to
be
consistent
because
I've
made
it
so
many
times
I'll
make
it
again
and
that's
that
rps
is
a
planning
consultant
to
the
project
and
in
on
the
12th
of
august
2011,
I
received
675
donation
from
rps.
I'm
sorry,
you
do
have
a
record
of
the
rps
one.
I
hadn't
provided
it
earlier
because
of
the
advice
from
the
city
solicitor,
but
in
a
discussion
with
the
chair,
it's
felt
better
that
I
just
continue
to
make
this
one.
E
Do
you
have
a
yeah
sorry.
A
A
A
Because
any
perception
of
conflict
of
interest
is
outweighed.
A
By
time
and
small
amounts
of
money
and
whatever
else
we
want
to
write
in
there,
someone
like
to
second
that,
second
by
councillor
on
jones,
all
in
favor
against
carried
okay.
So
we've
got
one
start
item
which
is
item
six
point
two,
something
like
two
sorry.
E
A
E
I'm
also
seeking
to
remain
in
the
room
and
participate
in
this
matter
due
to
the
funds
retained
and
the
small
amount
and
the
minor
nature.
Whatever.
E
It
was
this
it's
the
relevant
term,
which
is
this
term
and
the
last
term,
and
that's
why
I
need
to
keep
making
these
declarations,
because,
obviously,
that
2016
amount
was
received
within
the
relevant
term,
but
it
was
refunded
in
full.
But
that
does
not
alleviate
the
need
for
me
to
make
the
declaration
so.
A
I'm
just
gonna
make
a
comment
for
my
two
cents
worth
on
the
refunding
thing.
Those
people
showed
a
propensity
to
support
you
by
putting
their
hand
in
their
pocket
for
nearly
two
grand.
You
know
what
I
mean.
So
the
fact
that
you
gave
the
money
back
well,
it
doesn't
matter
to
me
I'm
just
saying
that
the
payment
was
made
to
you.
So
that's
how
I've
always
viewed
it.
Yep.
A
A
A
G
Now,
because
of
the
new
way
that
the
officers
are
able
to
like
I
mean,
I
think
we
were
all
voting
in
support
rather
than
councillor
gates,
who
wasn't
voting
but
yeah.
I
don't
know
if
the
new
method
now
just
chose
that,
as
as
a
show
indicates
as
having
all
voted
and
therefore
removes
the
need
for
a
division
to
be
called
sorry.
Okay,.
A
A
All
in
favor
councillor
o'neill
councillor
on
jones
councillor,
pauline
young
councillor,
caldwell
against
councillor
peter
young
and
councillor
gates,
did
not
vote
in
relation
to
the
second
matter,
which
was
the
place
design
all
in
favor
councillor
o'neill
council
on
jones
council
pauline
young
councillor,
caldwell
against
council,
peter
young
councillor
gates
again
did
not
vote.
A
A
A
H
H
H
The
site
incorporates
a
range
of
precincts,
including
the
low-density
residential
conservation
area,
wetland,
passive
recreation,
pedestrian
and
bike
improvement
and
open
space
corridor.
This
plan
is
a
conceptual
plan
only
which
is
indicative
and
provides
a
guide
to
the
potential
development
intent,
but
is
subject
to
detailed
site-based
investigations.
H
This
plan
illustrates
that
residential
development
is
intended
beyond
the
current
end
of
baltimore
court
and
while
the
development
footprint,
which
is
seen
on
the
right
side,
does
extend
beyond
the
conceptual
residential
area
after
detailed
assessment,
it's
considered
that
the
development
will
result
in
appropriately
located
residential
development
and
improved
environmental
outcome
for
the
site.
The
creation,
sorry.
A
H
It's
proposed
to
subdivide
the
site
into
two
lots:
new
road
and
create
an
access
easement
proposed
lot.
201
excuse
me,
is
3.859
hectares
and
is
proposed
to
be
developed
for
the
multiple
dwellings
proposed.
Lot.
Sorry
excuse
my
cough
proposal.
200
is
to
be
23.88
hectares
and
will
be
transferred
as
public
open
space
for
conservation
purposes.
H
It's
proposed
to
create
60,
multiple
dwellings
and
an
environmental
covenant
with
impose
lot
201.
This
overall
master
plan
shows
those
dwellings
in
that
area.
The
development
density
is
considered
to
be
low
to
medium
intensity,
which
is
consistent
with
the
requirements
of
the
zone
code.
The
proposed
multiple
dwellings
within
lot
201
achieve
a
net
developable
area
of
3.859
hectares.
H
H
This
is
the
ground
floor
plan.
The
multiple
dwelling
development
is
to
be
gated,
with
access
via
private
road
located
at
the
end
of
baltimore
court
features
of
the
development
include
the
7993
square
metres
environmental
covenant
area
located
over
the
vegetated
portion
of
the
site,
a
communal,
open
space
area
located
centrally,
which
incorporates
a
pool,
barbecue
complex
and,
as
previously
mentioned,
the
two
adjoining
lots,
23
and
not
lots.
Dwellings,
23
and
24
are
proposed
to
be
removed
and
included
in
this
area.
H
A
stormwater
basin
is
located
adjacent
to
the
communal,
open
space
and
a
four
metre
wide
maintenance
access
trap
track
is
located
around
the
perimeter
of
the
development
and
that
access
to
that
is
gained
via
the
access,
easement
there's
120
car
parking
spaces
for
residents,
two
per
dwelling,
which
are
in
a
double
garage
and
18
visitor
car
parking
spaces
throughout
the
development.
H
H
You
can
see
this
in
these
perspectives,
which
shows
them
stepping
out
at
the
back
as
a
result
of
this,
the
overall
height
at
the
rear
of
the
dwellings
is
up
to
11
meters.
Although
the
height
is
above
the
nine
meters,
it's
considered
to
be
acceptable
in
this
instance,
given
that
a
built
form
height
is
less
than
nine
metres,
and
given
the
distance
of
the
majority
of
the
views
from
the
surrounding
area
from
a
distance,
the
structures
are
considered
to
be
low
to
medium
rise,
which
is
consistent
with
the
zone
code.
H
That's
the
side.
Sections
dwelling
types
a1
and
b1
consist
of
two
dwellings
each
having
a
double
garage,
four
bedroom
living
areas,
balcony
overlooking
the
open
space
at
the
rear.
H
That's
b1,
which
just
discussed
c1,
consists
of
dwellings
grouped
in
twos
again
that
are
designed
to
step
up
to
the
ridge
at
the
rear
of
the
site.
Each
of
the
dwellings
incorporates
a
double
garage:
three
bedrooms
living
areas
and
balcony,
overlooking
the
private
internal
road
and
a
courtyard
at
the
rear,
dwelling
types
a2
and
b2.
H
In
terms
of
the
character,
the
proposal
is
considered
to
achieve
a
built
form
that
is
low
to
medium
intensity
and
low
to
medium
rise,
consistent
with
its
own
code.
It
provides
for
dwellings
located
in
a
cluster
which
take
into
account
constraints
of
the
site,
protect
the
environmental
features
and
maintain
the
open
space
character
of
the
area.
H
The
application
was
subject
to
public
notification
and,
as
a
result,
225
submissions
were
received,
including
a
petition
signed
by
383
people.
All
submissions,
with
the
exception
of
one,
objected
to
the
development.
This
map
shows
the
majority
of
submitters
were
generally
located
in
the
area
immediately
surrounding
the
site.
H
Issues
raised
by
submitters
were
taken
into
consideration
during
the
assessment
of
the
application
and
were
not
considered
to
warrant
refusal
of
the
application.
All
issues
were
either
addressed
through
the
recommended
conditions
or
addressed
through
the
report.
H
C
Thank
you
chairman
on
page
24
of
the
agenda
is
a
plan
showing
from
lg
mapping
a
couple
of
proposed
parks,
but
it's
not
really
clear
to
me,
which
are
the
parks.
Would
you
be
able
to
describe
those
for
me?
Please.
D
C
H
H
The
higher
portion
of
the
site
is
proposed
to
be
developed
for
the
multiple
dwellings
and
does
already
have
a
current
approval
over
it
for
an
existing
rol
approval
and
dwellings,
and
that
being
the
higher
portion
of
the
site
is
already
to
be
developed.
The
balance
of
the
site
wouldn't
be
able
to
be
developed
for
community
facilities
and
algeb
infrastructure
in
terms
of
the
difficulty
of
complying
with
the
desired
standard
of
service
for
flood
immunity,
and
the
provision
of
the
or
protection
of
the
wetlands
area
will
provide
for
greater
environmental
benefit
through
conservation.
Thank.
C
H
Through
the
chair,
the
potential
for
where
alternate
open
space
is
to
be
provided.
B
Thanks,
mr
chairman,
look,
I
know
I
can't
move
anything
because
I'm
not
a
member
of
the
committee
as
such,
but
I
don't
know
whether
you
would
indulge
me
to
actually
speak
to
this,
because
I
would
need
I.
I
have
actually
got
some
recommendations
here
for
a
refusal.
B
A
I
don't
want
your
trip
to
be
here
to
be
in
vain,
having
left
the
matrimonial
bed,
so
I
think
we
should.
I
think
we.
E
Thank
you
chairman,
I'm
concerned
that
this
was
in
the
lgb
identified
in
the
lgbt
as
a
large
parcel
of
open
space
to
be
utilized
by
the
community
and
when
we
saw
the
level
of
objection
on
the
screen
it's
very
widespread.
So
one
would
assume
that
there
was
a
strong
community
expectation
that
this
land
should
be
retained
as
open
space
and
parkland
with
the
environmental
protection
that
it
deserves.
So
I'm
wondering
because
we
we
had
an
algae
briefing
on
algeb
2
yesterday,
but
quite
clearly
I
didn't
look
at
division.
E
Eight,
I'm
wondering
if
we
might
defer
this
to
full
council
and
in
the
interim
we
can
find
out
what
land
is
expected
to
replace
this
very
large
parcel
of
land,
how
it
is
proposed
that
that
area
be
replaced
within
the
city,
because
one
of
the
big
focuses
yesterday
was
the
very
real
shortage
of
parkland
in
central
gold
coast.
E
A
A
But
he's
live
so
we
may
well
find
that
even
if
this
is
refused,
there
is
still
a
form
of
development
takes
place
on
the
raised
portion
of
the
site.
Now,
that's
I
think
something
we
need
to
bear
in
mind
as
to
whether
or
not
this
is
then
a
better
environmental
outcome,
perhaps
than
the
previous
one.
Even
with
that
said.
A
So
that's
the
second,
that's
just
something
to
be
considerate
of
also,
if
we're
going
to
have
the
lg
discussion,
can
we
also
just
look
into
if
it
is
programmed
for
acquisition
and,
if
so,
how
much
that
would
cost
into
the
future,
because,
obviously,
at
the
moment
that
the
intention
in
this
situation
is
that
we
get
handed
over,
you
know
95
of
the
site
as
dedication
at
no
cost,
rather
than
purchasing
the
whole
of
the
site,
and
I'm
not
sure
if
we
have
any
of
that
information
to
hand.
B
I
turned
it
off
sorry
not
used
to
microphones
there
we
go.
This
does
actually
form
part
of
the
the
city
sports
plan.
I
think
it's.
It's
called
where
we
look
at
the
fields,
sporting
fields
and
what
we
need
across
the
city,
so
it
is
actually
identified
in
there
for
sporting
fields
for
the
city,
and
I
just
have
to
can't
recall
what
the
exact
document's
called,
but
it's
part
of
our
city
sports
plan
and
going
back
to
the
other
point
you
made,
mr
chairman.
Yes,
it
does
actually
have.
B
There
was
a
court
order
going
back
and
I
can't
remember
the
year
now,
but
it's
going
back
quite
a
way
and
that
court
order
was
for
the
approval
of
21
dwellings.
I
believe
it's
21.
This
one
is,
is.
B
Okay,
let's
run
it
ring
a
bell.
I
thought
it
was
around
there,
so
so
yeah
so
that
that's
that's
the
the
background,
the
history
of
it
as
such,
but
obviously
this
is
significantly
a
much
larger
scale
of
development
too
that
that
said,
that
was
under
a
different
planning
scheme.
Of
course,.
H
Through
the
chair,
I
was
just
going
to
say
that
parks
have
reviewed
this
application
and
have
advised
that
it's
considered
appropriate
to
relinquish
the
site
for
active
for
recreation
purposes
and
for
public
open
space
to
be
transferred
for
conservation
purposes
only,
and
that
was
given
the
fact
that
it
is
difficult
to
comply
with
those
desired
standards
of
service
for
flood
immunity
and
in
relation
to
that
existing
approval.
That
was
current
over
the
site.
A
G
Mr
chair,
if
councillor
castro
has
prepared
reasons
for
refusal,
I'm
happy
to
move
them
so
that
they're
on
the
board
and
then
we
can
maybe
work
through
what
they
may
be.
A
A
B
Sorry
absolutely,
mr
chairman,
look
everyone
in
the
community
is
aware
of
that.
It's
as
you
say,
because
it
goes
back
quite
a
while
I'm
very
familiar
with
the
site,
because
there's
been
a
number
of,
I
was
elected
back
in
97
and
I
think
ever
since
then,
we've
probably
had
when
I
was
what
18
and
I
think
in
all
seriousness.
I
I
think
that
they've
been
probably
at
least
four
or
five
attempts
to
develop
this
land
with
various
various
proposals.
B
B
The
main
concerns,
as
you
can
see,
from
those
for
those
four
points
there.
Traffic
is
a
big
concern.
Now
I
know
that
we're
looking
at
say,
you
know
60
dwellings
that
may
not
look
like
a
huge
number
of
vehicle
movements
as
such,
but
there's
only
one
road
in
and
one
road
out,
which
is
hickey
hickey
way,
and
the
problem
with
the
problem
with
this
is
baltimore.
Court
is
just
a
small
cul-de-sac
and
the
la
I'll
go
to
the
last
point.
First,
the
last
point
actually
talks
about
the
the
construction.
B
There
is
no
other
way
I
was
of
getting
in
and
out
that
is
it's
not
designed
for
heavy
vehicle
movement.
It's
going
to
be
quite
a
significant
development,
and
the
impact
on
those
residents
is
is
going
to
be
huge,
but
the
other
problem
with
the
traffic.
B
So
much
is
not
so
much
that
hickey
way
can't
carry
that
number
of
cars,
but
because
there's
only
one
road
in
one
road
out-
and
I
think
it
goes
back
to
my
first
point
I
think
is
that
where
I
mentioned
it
or
the
second
one,
let's
have
a
look
yeah.
I
know
it's
the
first
one,
which
is
is
the
fact
that
the.
B
That
the
the
intersection
with
nelson's
road
with
the
traffic
lights
of
a
morning
with
with
residents
trying
to
get
out
and
getting
getting
to
work,
getting
their
kids
to
school.
B
It
takes
forever
to
get
out
of
that
intersection
with
the
lights,
and
this
is
going
to
put
significant
stress
on
on,
what's
already
a
very,
very
busy
road,
so
that
so
the
other.
So
traffic
is
a
big
issue.
The
impact
on
the
community
from
a
development
from
a
construction
point
of
view.
But
the
other
issue
is,
is
the
character
of
the
area.
There
aren't
any
townhouses
units
in
proximity.
You've
got
some
closer
to
the
m1,
but
all
the
roads
that
come
off
hiki
way.
I
mean
it's
quite
a
quite
a
small
community.
B
Bunauru
is
part
of
carrara,
but
it's
its
own
estate
as
such.
So
it's
and
there
isn't
anything
that
resembles
this
type
of
development.
It's
really
very
much.
You
know
three,
four
bedroom
single
dwellings
in
the
area,
so
from
a
from
an
amenity
point
of
view
and
a
character
point
of
view,
it
just
doesn't
add
up
at
all.
So
it's
a
significant
number,
and
I've
mentioned
that
in
here
too,
of
the
local
residents.
B
As
I
say,
it's
not
a
big,
a
big
community,
so
this
is
a
massive
chunk
to
have
383
on
a
petition,
217
submissions,
individual
submissions.
It
really
is
a
major
concern
for
this.
This
small
community,
it's
going
to
have
quite
an
impact,
but
the
other
thing
which
isn't
on
there
as
such-
and
I
know
we've
spoken
about
it-
is
there-
is
a
huge
expectation
from
the
community
that
this
land,
as
councillor
gates
has
mentioned
councillor
young
mentioned,
but
a
huge
expectation
that
this
land
would
be
retained
for
recreation.
B
The
fact,
as
you
say,
it
is
part
of
the
elgip
and
even
though
we've
now
said
well,
okay,
we
don't
want
this
from
a.
We
don't
need
this.
It's
very
low,
lying
from
a
community
point
of
view,
they've
been
led
to
believe
that
this
would
be
acquired
for
for
sports
fields
and
recreational
purposes.
So
they're
the
grounds
that
that
I'm
asking
that
we
move
for
refusal-
and
I
yeah-
I
guess
that-
basically
sums
it
up.
I
Okay,
okay,
through
the
chair,
so
there's
a
few
there's
a
few
things
I
was
hearing
there
so
I'll
start
with
baltimore
court.
Baltimore
court
is
a
residential
access
street
and
those
streets
carry
up
to
750
vehicles
a
day.
Currently
there's
it
serves
11
dwellings
and
we're
adding
another
58.60
so
that
that
still
keeps
us
under
the
750
vehicles
per
day
and
in
terms
of
our
assessment
that
that's
acceptable.
I
The
second
topic
I
heard
was
construction
access.
So
I
guess
regardless,
if,
if
we
approve
this
development
or
not,
there
is
there
is
a
approval
for
21
dwelling.
So
there
will
be
trucks
at
some
point
accessing
this
street.
To
do
to
do
that
particular
development.
I
guess
with
this
particular
development
there'd
be
more
trucks
for
a
longer
period
of
time
and
that
will
be
managed
through
as
part
of
the
construction
management
plan
where
they'll
have
like
traffic
management.
I
So
if
the
trucks
can't
make
it
down
the
street
due
to
the
parking
of
vehicles,
traffic
management
potentially
do
like
a
letterbox
drop
and
then
just
manage
it.
That
particular
way
the
third
point
hickey
and
nelson
white
intersection.
So
currently
that
intersection
it.
It
does
cue
the
right
turn
out
onto
nelson
does
cue
back
past
the
allison
hickey
way
roundabout.
I
So
that's
if
you
arrive
first,
however,
the
average
delay
is
around
about
a
minute.
So
a
lot
of
the
vehicles
that
I'm
seeing
arriving,
you
know
arrive
towards
the
end
of
end
of
that
cycle,
and
they
can
just
clear
it
quickly,
and
I
guess
the
point
to
make
is
that
the
proposed
development
will
generate
39
vehicle
trips
in
the
peak
hour,
based
on
the
standard
trip
generation
rates
that
we
use
and
based
on
that
there'd
be
like
a
across
the
whole
intersection,
so
one
percent
increase
in
the
total
of
traffic.
I
So
it's
not
a
lot
and
the
proposed
development
in
terms
of
that
right
turn
movement
that
was
referred
to
will
increase
delays
by
further
two
seconds
according
to
the
modeling,
so
not
significant.
Okay,.
C
Chairman,
just
while
the
gentleman's
here
is
it
feasible
to
have
the
developer,
install
some
traffic
calming
along
the
street
because
from
I
accept
the
the
science
here
in
the
sense
of
not
significant
additional
delays
at
the
intersection
and
the
the
road
itself
is
capable
of
handling
the
volume
of
traffic.
But
for
these
people
it's
going
to
be
a
significant
increase
in
the
volume
of
traffic
from
what
they
currently
experience
so
and
because
it's
a
long
road
and
people
will
just
be
streaming
through,
would
it
be
feasible
to
install
traffic
calming
measures.
I
I
guess
it
answered
that
question.
We'd
probably
need
to,
I
guess,
speak
talk
that,
through
with
transport
and
traffic
branch,
before
we
decided
on
on
that
particular
outcome.
You
know,
particularly
regarding
the
placement
of
road
humps
or
whatever,
that
that
treatment
might
include.
You
know
people
are
particularly
they
don't
want
them.
A
I
think
councillor
castro
if
the
refusal
is
unsuccessful.
A
I
think,
as
far
as
the
construction
time
is
concerned,
this
will
be
a
far
more
compressed
period
of
time
compared
to
even
the
21
lot
rol,
which
is
just
a
vacant
land
subdivision
shall
we
say
and
could
go
on
where
there'd
be
one
or
two
or
three
houses
on
the
go
all
the
time
for
the
next
decade.
You
know
what
I
mean
so,
whereas
this
seems
to
be,
I
think,
the
sort
of
thing
that
would
be
done
in
a
short,
sharp
burst
and
then
the
construction
traffic
would
finish.
C
So
I'm
not
familiar
with
the
street
chairman,
but
just
looking
quickly
at
a
map,
there's
a
number
of
intersections
along
that
street
and
maybe
they're
the
right
kind
of
locations
for
platforms
to
be
built
so
they're,
not
just
a
hump
outside
someone's
house
and
that
may
assist
in
that
traffic.
Calming
objective,
so
I'd
be
willing
to
support
something
along
the
investigation
of
those
sorts
of
things
thanks
jim.
A
So,
and
can
I
just
ask
one
more
question,
just
in
relation
to
the
the
detached
dwelling?
Sorry,
this
is
not
for
you
joel.
This
is
more
of
a
planning
question,
but
why
are
we
contemplating
an
attached
product
in
this
location
when
my
understanding
of
that
the
blob
map
earlier,
you
said,
detached
or
low
density,
sorry
residential?
So
just
talk
me
through
that.
H
Through
the
chair,
the
club
mapping
does
identify
it
as
the
pink,
which
is
the
low
density
residential
within
low
density
residential.
You
can
have
scattered
areas
of
multiple
dwellings
within
that
specifically
within
the
low
density
residential
zone,
which
I
know
we're
within
the
constrained
land
zone.
But
the
concept
of
multiple
dwellings,
scattered
throughout,
is
not
an
unusual
thing.
Within
a
precinct
like
this.
A
J
Yep
three,
mr
chair,
on
pages
26
and
27
in
the
report,
the
officers
have
pulled
out
the
relevant
sections
of
the
city
plan,
so
the
the
merrimack
carrara
floodplain
requirements.
J
J
I
guess
3.3.51
on
page
27
is
relevant
to
the
question
you'd
asked
in
that
it
says
in
this
era
we'll
actually
have
residential
and
tourist
accommodation
development
that
includes
a
mix
of
housing
types
within
a
low
to
medium
rise,
low
to
medium
intensity
environment.
So
it's
not
it's
not
the
same
as
the
low
density
residential
zone.
It
does
contemplate
some
various
types
of
housing
and
we
think
through
the
assessment
that
this
development
is
a
low
to
medium
housing,
development,
low
to
medium
intensity,
housing,
development.
A
All
right:
well,
I
might
just
foreshadow
the
officer's
recommendation
and
if
we
get
to
that
point,
then
I
think
it's
probably
worthwhile
just
exploring
some
of
those
traffic
issues.
The
council
of
patients,
rised
cancer
and
jones.
Did
you
want
to
open
in
relation?
Are
there
any
other
questions?
C
It
cancerpedia
thanks
chairman
on
page
26,
in
the
this
description
of
the
specific
outcomes
of
the
merrimack
carrara
floodplain
special
management
area
talks
about
clustered
areas
of
urban
residential
blah,
blah
development,
minimizes
disruption
to
natural
systems
and
maximizes
opportunities
to
create
visually
prominent
green
space,
and
I
just
wonder
how
we
are
maximizing
the
visually
prominent
green
space
through
this
development,
which
doesn't
entirely
but
to
a
great
extent,
creates
a
a
canal
or
channel
and
you've
got
houses,
either
side,
two-story
houses,
either
side.
So.
A
K
You,
mr
mr
chair,
we've
ground
truth
aside
and,
as
we
showed
you,
the
clum
that
was
very
indicative,
it
wasn't
cadastral
based,
so
our
environmental
officers
have
been
out
on
site,
they've,
actually
ground
truth.
The
area
worked
out
what
the
appropriate
areas
for
development
in
a
cluster
are,
and
in
relation
to
that
specific
outcome,
it
does
encourage
clusters
to
attempt
to
minimize
the
amount
of
disturbance.
K
I
think
it
is
positive
that
this
application,
if
approved,
will
actually
facilitate
23
hectares
of
of
open
space
for
the
public
that
will
be
a
conservation
area,
so
that
will
actually
be
managed
by
the
city
and
used
in
perpetuity
for
for
the
city's
best
interest.
This
application
will
also
create
a
covenant
area
and
that
covenant
area
will
ensure
that
vegetation
is
protected
too
to
a
higher
standard
than
what
it
currently
is.
So
overall,
in
our
opinion,
we
we
do
believe
this
complies
with
the
strategic
outcome.
C
Except
most
of
what's
just
been
said,
but
in
terms
of
it
being
visually
prominent,
I
see
one
opportunity
for
the
public
to
have
a
view
shed,
shall
we
say
of
the
environmental
covenant
area
on
the
right
hand,
side
as
you
lead
in,
but
in
my
thinking,
if
some
of
the
proposed
housing
at
the
very
end
of
that
street
were
removed,
that
would
create
a
visually
prominent
feature
as
you
reach
the
end
of
the
street,
and
that
would
achieve
that
outcome.
That's
not
a
question!
It's
a
statement.
Sorry.
A
G
It's
on
page
15
of
the
reported
talks
of
14
and
15
talks
of
the
background
and
the
existing
approval
that
exists
following
planning
and
environment
court
matter,
and
is
there
any
obligation
for
the
city
to
extend
that
period
of
approval
any
further
than
what
it
has
now,
noting
that
it's
received
a
two
year
and
a
six
month
extension?
Is
that
correct.
K
Through
you,
mr
chair,
an
application
will
be
made
for
an
extension
and
officers
will
consider
the
application
on
its
merits.
There
is
no
obligation
to
extend
the
currency
period.
It
will
just
be
assessed
on
the
time
if
an
application
is
made.
J
So
it's
just
more
of
a
question
for
me
personally
and
I'm
not
a
visit
at
the
moment,
but
this
map
does
show
just
down
the
outline
of
the
property,
our
proper
current
property
at
the
moment.
So
I
didn't
know
whether
it's
something
I
do
need
to
raise
at
some
point.
I
know
I'm
as
a
visitor
at
the
moment,
so.
A
So
look,
I
think
the
the
approach
that
seems
to
have
been
taken
with
proximity
is
that
unless
you're
directly
impacted
like
you're
part
of
this
application,
then
you
don't
have
a
material,
personal
interest.
J
Okay,
so
I
suppose
I'm
just
open
to
the
floor
is
that
something
you've
we
feel
I
should
be
declaring-
or
I
can
always
walk
out
and
come
get
advice
and
come
back
to
the
full
committee.
Sorry,
it's
basically
on
the
green
line.
So
basically
it's
good
in
drive,
so
page
yeah,
page
24,
it's
showing
the
I'm
presuming
the
full
outline
of
the
green
property
and
gooding
drive,
I'm
just
on
the
other
side
of
gooding
drive.
J
A
Okay,
so
I
think
I
think,
based
on
and
you
might
remember,
last
round
there
was
the
same
issue
came
up
about
councillor
vorster
and
his
property
that
was
close
to
one
and
then
miles
away
from
another
one,
and
even
on
the
one
that
was
closer
there
wasn't
the
advice
was
that
there
was
no
need
to
make
the
declaration
formally.
But,
as
I
said
in
the
end,
it
comes
down
to
what
you
think
you
want
to
do.
Yeah.
J
A
G
So
so
I
suppose,
just
in
my
mind
there
would
appear
to
be
considerable
angst
from
that
local
community
in
regards
to
something
and
I'm
just
going
to
open.
G
I
know
that
no
no
no
lacaster
has
had
a
go,
but
there
would
appear
to
be
considerable
angst
by
that
local
community
in
regards
to
the
proposed
application,
and
in
particular
on,
I
think,
the
difference
between
what
was
the
planning
environment
court
order
in
regards
to
the
rol
and
what's
proposed
here
in
regards
to
more
density,
and
I
think,
if
you
go
to
page
76
clearly
there
is
it
identifies
where
the
submitters
are
and
and
and-
and
I
think
that
their
general
view
is
that
there
has
been.
G
It
is
a
difference
to
amenity
that
was
never
imagined
by
them
in
regards
to
this
area.
So
and
today
I'm
happy
to
support
council
lacaster
and
in
his
endeavors.
B
Thanks,
mr
chairman,
it
was
really
just
a
question.
B
Julie
spoke
about
the
the
11
meter
height,
so
on
page
17,
and
I'm
aware
that
it
only
presents
as
say
9
meters,
but
it
is
elevated,
as
in
the
the
dwellings
are
on
stilts
if
for
want
of
a
better
term,
I
don't
know
this
is
a
silly
question,
but
under
the
temporary
local
planning
instrument,
where
we
look
at
flood
the
floodplain
development,
and
I
think
it
came
in
in
august
20
20
from
memory.
B
I
think
it
was
signed
off
on
by
the
minister,
the
temporary
local
planning
instrument,
which
basically
my
understanding
wasn't.
It
could
be
wrong
with
the
prohibiting
development
on
flood
plain
by
using
stilts
as
such
by
saying.
Well
great,
you
know
the
water
can
just
run
underneath.
Is
this
captured
by
that
at
all.
K
Through
you,
mr
chair,
that
that's
correct,
the
tlpi
came
in,
I
think,
2020.
it.
It
attempts
to
prohibit
podium-style
developments
and
within
the
carrara
merrimack
area,
we
have
two.
We
have
one
on
burton
road
and
one
in
mckady
way
and
there,
even
though
they
have
flood-free
access
off
those
respective
streets,
they
are
built
on
a
podium
to
ensure
that
they're,
actually,
you
know
getting
above
flood.
K
B
C
I
wonder
if
the
minute
secretary
could
scroll
down
so
I
could
see
the
other
reasons
I'm
supporting
here.
Thank
you.
I
think
that
possibly
an
additional
reason
might
be
an
unacceptable
loss
of
land
identified
in
the
elder
for
recreational
purposes.
C
So
not
sure
if
I
want
to
move
an
amendment
or
if
councillor
le
castro,
you
want
to
incorporate
that
in
your
original
motion
that
number
five
be
an
unacceptable.
The
development
would
result
in
an
unacceptable
loss.
Oh
it's.
Your
motion
beg
your
pardon.
G
I'm
hosting
it.
I
think
it
would
be
fair
to
say
that
the
officers
provided
an
answer
in
regards
to
that
that
that
the
city
parks
had
have
waved
it
off
as
being
a
an
acquisition
property
for
in
regards
to
the
in
regards
to
the
recreation
space.
So
I
think
that
we
would
be
better
off
today,
moving
what's
proposed
and
if
we
get
information
between
now
and
council,
adding
that
to
strengthen
our
refusal
rather
than
add
it
today
in
conflict
to
what's
something
the
officers
have
already
said.
G
A
G
I
think
the
council
at
castro's
point
in
regards
to
that
podium
style
design
over
the
flood
storage,
is
actually
an
important
one.
I
don't
think
it's
necessarily
what's
proposed
here
today,
doesn't
necessarily
reflect
what
the
original
constraints
of
the
planning
and
environment
court
order
were,
and
I
can
appreciate
that
that
community
doesn't
agree
with
what
is
being
proposed
today
and
that's
why
there's
been
so
many
submissions
received.
H
A
Okay,
debates
close
we'll
take
the
vote.
All
in
favor
council
peter
young
councillor,
o'neill
councillor
gates,
councillor
owen
jones,
councillor
pauline
young
carried.
G
A
L
Good
morning,
everybody
through
the
chair
councillors
today,
we
just
wanted
to
provide
you
with
a
short
presentation
on
the
outcomes
of
our
recent
gc.
Have
your
say:
survey
that
we
completed
and
also
on
the
updated
neighborhood
framework
that
we
have
updated
based
on
that
community
feedback
and
also
provide
you
with
the
shortlisting
process
and
the
candidates
that
we
have
for
community
reference
group
membership
moving
forward.
L
So
the
gc
have
your
say,
survey
actually
garnered
quite
a
strong
response.
So
over
a
three
week
period
we
had
1826
people
complete
the
survey
with
about
58
percent
of
those
that
completed
it
living
within
that
corridor.
We
had
about.
Thirty
percent
of
the
respondents
say
that
they
owned
property
within
the
area.
Eleven
percent
worked
in
the
area.
Five
percent
owned
a
business
and
close
to
a
third
of
respondents
said
that
they
regularly
visit
the
area.
L
The
survey
responses
the
people
that
responded
to
the
serve
actually
mostly
heard
about
it
via
email
through
gc,
have
your
say,
but
we
also
sent
out
direct
mail
to
people
who
lived
within
the
corridor.
We
sent
out
about
about
16
000
letters
to
people
that
live
there.
So
573
of
the
respondents
heard
about
the
survey
through
direct
mail.
L
Just
looking
at
the
demographics
of
those
that
responded,
so
there
was
a
good
split
of
male
and
female.
We
also
did
notice
that
the
older
demographics
responded
more,
so
the
highest
response
group
was
55
to
64
with
about
25
of
the
responses,
and
that
was
closely
followed
by
the
45
to
54
and
the
65
plus
age
group.
So
we
only
had
about
a
10
response
rate
for
those
who
were
aged,
34
or
younger.
L
So
for
our
presentation
this
morning,
we
just
wanted
to
walk
you
guys
through
just
a
few
of
the
responses
to
the
survey.
The
rest
of
them
are
included
in
attachment
one,
but
we
just
wanted
to
walk
you
through
some
of
those
those
key
responses
that
came
through
quite
strongly
in
the
survey
so
for
question
two.
We
asked
the
survey
respondents
what
made
these
neighborhoods
special
places
to
you.
L
So
the
highest
response
was
the
quality
of
the
parks,
the
recreational
facilities
and
the
foreshore,
which
was
a
74
response
rate
for
those
surveyed
that
was
followed
closely
by
the
environmental
qualities
and
the
parks
in
the
conservation
areas
with
58
and
then.
Thirdly,
the
ease
of
which
people
could
get
around
was
quite
a
priority
for
people
living
within
this
area
as
well,
so
that
was
nearly
50
percent
of
the
respondents
said
that
that
was
what
made
this
area
special
to
them.
L
We
also
asked
the
survey
participants
looking
forward
five
to
ten
years,
what
three
improvements
they
would
like
to
see
most
within
the
station
neighborhood.
So
looking
forward
as
we
grow.
What
they
would
like
to
see-
and
this
question
really
lined
up
well
with
what
made
the
these
areas
special
to
the
to
the
people
that
lived
here.
L
So
the
highest
response
was
prioritization
of
the
natural
environment,
again
with
1168
responses,
which
was
followed
by
better
parks
and
green
spaces
and
then,
thirdly,
improvements
to
walking
and
cycling
connections
and
fourth
improved
design
and
function
of
streets
and
public
spaces.
So
there's
a
real
consistency
in
those
responses
for
what
was
important
and
was
to
be
prioritized
moving
forward.
L
L
Improvements
for
question:
seven
we
asked
which
two
locations
do,
you
think,
have
the
best
opportunity
for
additional
housing
choices
to
support
future
growth
that
fits
existing
neighborhoods
and
the
top
response.
There
was
a
long
high
frequency
public
transport
routes,
which
is
a
really
good
planning
outcome
and
seems
to
be
supported
by
the
community.
There
second
was
close
to
shops
and
services
in
neighborhood,
centers
and
then
thirdly,
was
in
lower
density
areas
that
are
ready
for
renewal.
L
So,
overall,
based
on
the
feedback
from
the
survey,
we
identified
some
really
clear
priorities
coming
from
the
community,
so,
firstly,
the
natural
features
in
the
in
the
environment
really
registered
as
the
top
priority
for
that
community
access
and
connection
improvements
were
really
important
for
walking
and
for
cycling
that
growth
is
responsive
to
neighborhood
character,
to
the
location,
the
climate
and
that
better
parks,
open
space
and
the
design
functions
of
the
street
is
really
important
as
well,
and
we
also
recognize
that
growth
should
be
focused
around
those
public
transport
routes
in
centres
and
lower
density
areas
ready
for
renewal
for
question
8
of
the
survey.
L
L
So,
overall,
looking
at
the
survey
responses,
we
found
that
they
are
highly
supportive
of
the
foundational
principles
of
the
neighborhood
framework,
particularly
those
that
were
endorsed
by
council
back
in
2018.
So
the
vision,
the
principles
overall
focus
is
consistent
with
the
clear
priorities
of
the
community
from
this
survey.
So
there's
a
direct
link
to
the
community
priorities
for
the
natural
features
for
the
environment,
for
the
connections
for
the
character,
open
space
and
growth
that
ties
to
the
principles
that
are
included
in
page
16
and
17
of
the
neighborhood
framework
document.
L
Although
we
did
notice
a
solid
consistency
between
the
survey
responses
and
our
draft
framework,
we
did
update
the
framework
based
on
our
community
survey
responses
as
well.
So
we
made
a
number
of
changes
to
the
document
based
on
feedback,
particularly
around
the
additional
content
pages
that
we
needed
as
well.
So
some
of
those
survey
responses
said
that
the
framework
lacked
that
kind
of
finer
grain
of
detail
that
they
wanted
to
see.
So
they
could
know
what
was
happening
in
their
neighborhood.
L
So
we
added
an
additional
page
in
the
detail
that
the
concept
planning
will
deliver
that
next
level
of
detail
for
the
community
as
well.
So
there's
a
there's,
a
whole
nother
page
that
explains
that
process.
We
also
added
another
page
that
unpacks
the
context
of
this
part
of
the
corridor
and
how
that
fits
into
the
broader
city,
because
we
thought
that
was
a
really
important
piece
of
the
puzzle
and
we
also
included
a
whole
additional
page
that
that
summarized
the
survey
participation.
L
L
We
also
sharpened
the
vision
based
on
those
top
priorities.
We
updated
the
station
neighborhood
maps
to
show
that
clear
delineation
between
the
first
sequence
and
the
next
sequence
station
neighborhoods,
and
we
also
just
peppered
the
report
with
some
of
those
findings
from
the
engagement
activity
that
we
completed
as
well.
L
So
the
framework
is
really
an
important
component
component
of
delivering
community
embraced
change
in
these
areas.
We
feel
and
the
framework
will
be,
a
document
that
will
summarize
the
direction,
vision
and
the
principles
that
will
guide
the
future
of
these
communities
and
will
filter
down
into
our
ongoing
work
within
this
corridor
here.
So
the
content
of
the
framework
is
quite
simple,
yet
clear
and
can
provide
people
in
these
communities
with
an
insight
into
how
these
areas
will
grow
over
time.
L
So,
just
quickly
on
our
community
reference
groups,
we
shortlisted
candidates
for
this
group
group
based
on
the
processes
that
are
included
in
confidential
attachment.
For
so
the
cig
participants
were
prioritized
based
on
primarily
their
location
within
the
station
neighborhood
boundaries
in
the
first
instance,
and
then
further
refinement
of
this
list
occurred
to
support
a
strong
demographic
mix.
We
wanted
a
good
mix
of
age
of
gender
of
cultural
representation
within
this
group
and
then
further
refinement
was
also
carried
out
based
on
the
expression
of
interest
form
responses.
L
So
from
the
survey
787
of
the
participants
actually
indicated
that
they
would
be
interested
in
being
involved
in
a
community
reference
group,
and
each
of
these
were
sent
in
expression
of
interest
form
of
those
that
were
sent.
The
form
93
applications
were
returned
and
of
these
51
applicants
lived
within
the
boundaries
of
those
first
sequence:
station
neighborhoods.
L
So
as
per
our
previous
resolution
in
may,
we've
nominated
15
of
the
highest
scoring
candidates
for
each
community
reference
group
to
be
included,
but
we've
also
added
an
additional
three
that
we
are
recommending
to
be
included
in
these
groups
based
on
two
things:
the
strong
community
response
and
also
just
to
ensure
that
at
each
community
reference
group
we
have
enough
members
if
some
don't
turn
up
on
the
night
as
well.
So
we're
recommending
18
members
for
each
of
these
groups.
L
So
just
summarizing
the
timing
moving
forwards,
we've
completed
the
survey
we're
at
the
current
decision
milestone
for
the
framework
and
the
crg
membership,
and
then
once
this
is
completed,
we're
wanting
to
move
straight
into
community
reference
group
and
concept
planning
from
october
to
early
2022,
where
we'll
come
back
with
that
concept
plan
to
committee,
which
will
form
the
policy
setting
foundation
for
us
to
roll
that
into
a
city
plan
amendment
in
2022
and
2023.
L
Thank
you
for
your
time
councillors.
Any
questions.
D
Thank
you
through
the
chair.
First
of
all,
thank
you
for
the
font
size,
so
I
can
read
the
document.
I
appreciate
that
with
the
I
just
had
a
couple
of
questions.
First,
one
was,
I
was
curious,
whether
we
have
run
these
community
reference
groups
before
or
if
that's
a
new
thing.
No,
that's
a
new
thing.
Okay,
that's
great!
I
think
people
appreciate
us
going
to
that
level
and
then
the
other
thing
I
was
curious
about
was
with
regard
to
the
comment
that
people
are.
D
One
of
the
important
things
to
them
was
us
that
we
be
responsive
to
the
neighborhood
character,
and-
and
I
discussed
with
this
this
with
you
earlier-
I'm
just
concerned
as
to
whether
their
definition
of
what
that
means
is
the
same
as
from
a
kind
of
a
legal
planning
definition
and
are
we?
Are
we
communicating
the
same
thing?
D
So
I
I
just
it's
kind
of
like
a
a
bit
of
a
red
flag
that
when
we
say
that
we're
talking
about
in
regards
to
the
city
plan
and
its
intent,
is
that
their
expectation,
my
guess,
is
not
and
that
there
might
be
a
bit
of
distance
there
between
what
we're
saying
and
what
they
think.
D
You
know
what's
being
said
and
again
just
in
terms
of
whether
what
they're
communicating
and
whether
it's
what
they
think
they're
communicating
to
us.
The
other
point
was
with
regard
to
the
protection
of
cities,
values
by
focusing
on
urbanized
areas.
I
wonder
whether
these
residents
are
thinking
about
it
kind
of
considering
themselves
as
not
as
urbanized
as
surface
paradise
and
saying
oh
well.
D
That
means
that
we're
going
to
keep
all
the
height
in
surface
paradise
or
whether,
as
is,
I
believe,
your
intent,
that
that
means
that
we
can
protect
greater
areas
in
the
hinterland
and
the
like.
And
so
again
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
managing
that
communication
and
what
people
are
thinking
they're
letting
us
know,
is
the
same
thing.
L
Yeah
through
the
chair,
if
you
want
to
sorry
try
and
respond
yeah
so
through
the
chair
when
it
comes
to
existing
character,
we're
really
making
an
attempt
to
understand
what
specifically
these
communities
love
and
that
they
see
as
that
characters
that
we
can
hold
on
to
that
moving
forward
as
well.
So
just
because
something
has
an
existing
character
does
not
necessarily
mean
that
it
will
form
part
of
the
future
planned
character,
but
the
frameworks
really
seeking
to
identify
those
critical
components
that
as
the
community
grows,
can
be
held
and
maintained.
L
So
just
because
something's
existing
doesn't
mean
that
it
will
be
carried
forward
in
the
future,
but
it
forms
a
part
of
our
investigation
for
planned
future
characters.
So
asking
those
questions
in
the
survey
about
what
makes
these
communities
special
to
you
is
really
helping
us
become
informed
about
that,
so
we're
not
just
doing
guest
work
guesswork
and
we're
also
wanting
to
roll
that
into
the
framework,
and
that's
why
we've
updated
it
and
those
specific
station
neighborhoods
are
really
trying
to
capture
some
of
those
components
that
should
form
part
of
that
future
planned
character.
J
Thank
you
through
the
chair,
and
I
just
want
to
reinforce
what
counselor
patterson's
saying
I
did
speak
to
officers
in
this
space.
That's
a
learning
of
what
division
10
has
and
what
we
talk
about
characteristics
and
what
city
plan
is
talking
to
compared
to
what
the
community
is
talking
to
and
in
my
view
we
are
on
different
pages
main
beach,
as
I
said
before,
surfers
paradise
broad
beaches,
their
own
characteristics,
but
I
think
the
city
plan
doesn't
talk
to
those
particular
areas
as
those
characters.
J
As
we
see
today,
it's
all
round
up
as
one
and
moving
into
mermaid
beach
and
heading
down
the
coast
have
got
different
characteristics
again
to
those.
So
I
think,
as
I
said,
to
the
officers
previously,
I
think
it's
really
important
and
reinforcing
what
council
patterns.
Paterson
says:
how
do
we
narrow
that
gap
in
relation
to
community
expectations,
because
what
the
community's
thinking
and
feeling,
in
my
view,
is
different
to
what
our
city
plan
talks
to
so
it's
either
education,
but
I
think
learnings
of
what
we've
done
so
far
and
it's
getting
a
balance
right.
J
A
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
on
the
handout
I
think
in
terms
of
getting
on
the
same
page.
I
think
page,
10
and
11
are
actually
really
important
for
this
conversation
about
character,
and
I
think
it's
important
in
the
context
of
how
character
evolves
over
time
and,
unfortunately,
some
people's
view
of
what
their
character
is,
is
anchored
in
too
firmly
in
the
past
and
doesn't
take
into
account
the
last
20
years
and
and
the
and
the
current
20
years
that
are
already
locked
into
the
planning
scheme.
G
So
so
on
page
11
we've
got
images
of
the
80s,
but
we,
but
I
don't
know
whether
or
not
we
would
benefit
from
having
images
off
the
of
the
2000s
and
the
2020s
in
that
page,
just
because
I
think
it
helps
show
the
morphing
character
and
there's
already
existing
development
rights
that
that
exist
under
the
current
scheme,
which
are
going
to
be
really
hard
to
to
whine
back
as
as
part
of
any
conversation
regarding
neighborhood
framework.
So
you
know
counselor
taylor
to
me.
G
It's
a
little
bit
like
that
main
beach
conversation
where
people
get
very
excited
about
high
rise,
unlimited
height,
turning
up
in
main
beach,
which
is
the
very
focal
point
in
the
city
where
unlimited
height
exists
under
an
existing
scheme.
So
so
I
think
just
in
regards
to
that
kind
of
page
11
fleshing
that
out
with
some
more
images
that
actually
shows
on
the
page.
Clearly,
what
has
happened
since
the
1980s,
I
think
is,
would
be
useful.
E
It's
something
that,
through
the
construct
of
city
plan
we
were
really
mindful
of,
and
I
think
we
have
had
such
significant
consultation
and
responded
to
the
consultation
through
the
development
of
the
last
city
plan.
I
I
just
don't
know
how
any
community
could
be
confused.
There's
been
a
lot
of
publicity
about
how
the
city
will
need
to
grow.
E
We've
had
all
of
the
directions
from
the
state
government
about
80
percent,
being
the
consolidation
area
right
and
only
20
in
the
expansion
area,
and
quite
clearly,
if
80
of
our
growth
has
to
be
accommodated
within
the
consolidation
area
of
our
current
urban
footprint,
then
the
city
is
going
to
develop
entirely
as
we've
envisaged
with
city
plan.
E
So
I'm
a
bit
bemused
by
the
fact
that
there
seems
to
be
a
misunderstanding
in
the
community
of
where
we
need
to
go
into
the
future,
and
I
think
that
the
submissions
that
we've
received
and
responded
to
in
terms
of
what
was
originally
our
growth
areas
as
they
were
previously
defined,
and
our
response
to
that
showed
that
we're
listening.
So
I
just
feel
that
we
we
need
to
just
stick
with
what
we've
done,
because
we
have
consulted
extensively.
A
We
actually
took
to
them
a
very
refined
plan
to
make
sure
that
paradise
waters
was
protected
as
low
density,
housing
west
of
teter
was
what
we
would
describe
as
low
medium
and
east
of
tedder
was
up
to
high
rise
construction.
Now
that
has
been
the
way
that
development
has
unfolded
and
the
fact
that
someone
who
lives
on
the
20th
story
of
a
high-rise
is
concerned
about
another
high-rise
at
least
shows
that
we're
talking
about
it
in
the
right
neighborhood.
A
J
May
suggest,
can
I
yeah
thank
you
and
look.
I
know
we
keep
saying
main
beach.
I
think
my
conversation
was
talking
about
division
10,
so
I
know
there's
been
a
lot
of
talk
about
main
beach
when
I'm
talking
I'm
talking
about
division
10,
as
I
mentioned
three
particular
areas,
I'm
totally
understanding
agreements
with
what
you're
saying
in
high
density
and
not
supportive.
I
think
the
conversation
relates
in
relation
to
how
I
took
with
councillor.
Patterson
is
in
relation
to
what
the
community
is
thinking
and
what
we're
actually
delivering.
J
These
is,
I
feel,
are
in
two
two
different
spots:
high
density
in
that
particular
corridor.
I
I've
accepted
and
it's
what
it
is
it's.
How
do
we
get
the
best
outcome?
I
think
what
I'm
saying
to
our
plan
is
is
ensure
that
we
do
some
learnings
from
what
we've
done
through
the
high
density,
because
we
are
moving
down
that
corridor
and
we
learn
from
that.
J
I
do
think,
as
a
city
we're
doing
some
very
good
work
in
relation
to
all
those
particular
areas
in
relation
to
infrastructure
providing
space,
but
it's
really
important
that
we
understand
the
characteristics
of
each
area
and
that's
why
I
keep
referring
not
main
beach.
I
keep
saying
main
beach
surface
broad
beach
and
the
characteristics
of
what
we
look
going
down
the
track
again,
when
I'm
talking,
I
don't
refer
to
main
beach.
I
know
everyone
in
the
room
seems
to
focus
back
because
the
media
is
on
main
beach.
J
You
know,
I
said
maine
beach,
broad
beach
and
surface
has
got
their
own
characteristics
a
chevron.
So
all
I'm
saying
to
you
is:
we
understand
that
it
is
a
high
density
area.
We
know
it's
growing.
How
can
we
learn
from
what
we've
done
when
we
review
a
plan?
We're
always
projecting
what's
happening
in
the
future,
and
I
hope,
as
we
get
to
that
point
in
the
future,
we
could
get
some
learnings
and
improve
what
we're
doing
moving
forward.
J
So,
and
I
think
my
response
was
in
relation
to
brook
councillor
patterson
in
relation
to
what
is
a
community
thinking
in
relation
to
this
conversation.
Compared
to
what
our
city
plan
is
and
that's
all.
I
was
trying
to.
M
And
thank
you
through
the
chair
just.
Firstly,
I'd
just
like
to
congratulate
the
officers
on
the
amount
of
work
that
they've
put
into
this,
because
it's
a
project
going
forward
that
it
it
could
potentially
have
been
major
update
for,
and
we
know
how
much
is
involved
in
that
and
that,
through
this
consultation,
we've
identified
the
areas
that
the
residents
of
that
particular
6.7
kilometers
acknowledge
that
require
that
work.
M
The
initial
work
going
forward
and
also
to
the
director,
because
the
director,
richard
catherine
and
zane,
have
worked
non-stop
with
myself
and
councillor
mcdonald
to
ensure
that
we're
keeping
our
our
communities
informed
and
back
to
what
councillor
taylor
was
just
saying.
Is
that,
through
this
method,
we've
given
our
communities
every
opportunity
to
come
forward
with
16
odd
thousand
letters
going
out
with
gc?
Have
your
say
every
possible
form
that
they
could
use.
We've
had
eighteen
hundred
people
respond.
M
Those
people
who
are
responding
are
interested
in
what's
happening
in
the
city
and
not
just
waiting
for
something
to
turn
up.
So
if
you've
got
a
lot
of
residents
in
your
area,
I
would
imagine
when
you
do
consult
consultations.
You'd
be
looking
at
thousands
of
people
coming
out.
I
think
at
1800
we've
done
very
well
in
this
corridor,
particularly
in
the
two
areas
indicated.
I
in
some
of
the
meetings
and
councilor
o'neill,
was
there
with
me
the
other
day
to
in
some
of
the
meetings.
M
It
was
discussed
that
we've
got
a
very
good
overall
demographic
for
the
nobby
beach
miami
area.
Where
we've
got
every
age
group,
we've
got
a
good
balance
of
male
female.
We've
got
a
good
balance
of
industry.
In
that
I
was
a
little
bit
disappointed
with
the
two
in
burley,
because
over
half
the
people
there
are
over
65
and
a
lot
of
people
in
that
demographic
in
the
area
are
not
wanting
the
area
to
change.
M
So
do
we
get
a
a
good
balanced
view
of
what
we're
looking
at
going
forward,
but
on
the
other
hand,
I
look
at
it
in
the
fact
that
the
other
people,
the
other
demographics
within
that
area,
must
be
at
least
reasonably
supportive
of
what
the
city
is
doing
going
forward,
because
they're
not
coming
out
and
objecting
to
it
and
they're
not
putting
their
hands
up
to
form.
M
Part
of
that
consultation,
so
in
the
the
criteria
that
the
officers
set
out
for
the
people
to
be
part
of
that
consultation,
I
think
they've
got
a
really
good,
broad
overview
of
the
area
of
who's
going
to
participate
in
it
and
not
not
always
just
people
who
are
supportive
of
what's
happening
in
the
area,
but
people
that
will
question
why
we're
doing
things
and
I
think
we
will
get
a
far
better
and
a
far
more
balanced
outcome
for
the
area
going
forward.
M
I
mean
realistically
we'd
all
I
would
love
to
have
had
this
done
12
months
ago
before
you
know
the
light
rail
construction
and
that
started,
but
I
actually
think
it's
a
very
good
way
for
our
community
to
to
be
involved
in
what's
happening
in
the
area
going
forward
and
that
the
officers
have
done
several
pop-up
pop-ups
around
the
area
and
majority
of
people
actually
not
majority,
but
quite
a
few
people
actually
didn't
want
to
talk
about
what
was
there
necessarily,
but
what
was
happening
in
some
of
our
parks
and
things
like
that,
so
they
are
taking
a
vested
interest
in
the
area
which
is
is
indicated
in
the
responses
that
came
back
and
that
I
was
also
very
reassured
to
see
that
the
top
three
in
most
of
those
questions
were
putting
us
on
the
same
page
as
what
the
city
plan
is
envisaging
for
that
particular
corridor.
A
So
councillor
pauline
young
did
you
want
to
move
the
item?
Yes,
sorry,
alicia.
The
there
was
one
additional
paragraph
that
you
wanted
to
add
at
the
suggestion
of
the
offices.
A
So
someone
councillor
o'neil
any
other
comments
or
questions
counselor
castro.
Thank
you
for
your
attendance.
A
N
So
the
scope
of
major
update,
four
and
five
were
previously
resolved
by
council
and,
as
per
the
screen,
you'll
note
that
major
update
four
previously
included
the
light
rail
corridor.
It
was
also
other
city
related,
sorry,
citywide,
related
policy
matters
that
were
to
be
included
within
that
scope.
N
So
the
work
that
we
have
been
doing
through
the
city
plan
steering
working
group
committee
arrangements
is
to
actually
look
at
the
way
that
we
process
our
amendments.
Our
current
approach
is
to
essentially
package
them
up,
so
council
pre-determines
a
scope
of
works
that
includes
individual
items
within
a
specific
amendment
package.
N
So
what
we're
proposing
as
a
future
approach
is
that
we
actually
send
individual
items
to
the
state
to
undergo
their
state
interest
review
so
once
they
have
received
approval
to
proceed
to
consultation,
depending
on
the
items
that
we
have
back
from
the
state,
we
will
make
a
decision
as
to
whether
we
undertake
consultation
concurrently
or
as
on
an
individual
item.
N
We
do,
and
we
have
been
speaking
to
our
state
officers
about
that.
They
are
comfortable
with
this
approach.
Essentially,
what
we're
suggesting
is
that
each
item
would
go
as
a
individual
amendment,
but
when
it
comes
to
the
time
of
consultation
depending
on
what
the
items
we
have
back
we'll
either
undertake
it
as
a
package,
so
concurrently,
a
number
of
different
amendment
items
at
once,
or
we
will
undertake
consultation
separately.
N
So
what
you'll
see
on
the
screen
is
our
proposed
breakdown
of
major
update,
four
and
five.
You
will
note
that
there
was
also
additional
detail
in
the
report
that
documented
a
couple
of
other
items
that
were
lifted
listed
in
both
packages
that
we
are
still
working
through.
N
So
the
items
you'll
see
on
the
screen
are
the
two
items
that
we
believe
are
sorry.
Three
items
that
we
believe
are
nearing
completion
and
can
be
sent
to
the
state
are
the
environmental
package.
So
there
was
items
listed
in
major
five
that
related
to
an
environmental
update.
They
will
now
go
as
part
of
a
update
to
be
called
environmental
management,
update
or
emu
very
appropriate
for
an
environmental
package.
N
N
They
can
be
progressed
also
on
the
basis
that
they
are
not
related
to
major
update
two
and
three.
The
other
items
on
the
bottom
of
the
screen
are
our
medium
term
items.
Some
of
those
items
require
us
to
adopt
major
update
two
and
three
as
part
of
the
city
plan
version
before
we
can
actually
amend
and
include
the
new
policy
position
or
their
items
that
are
still
undergoing
their
policy
development.
N
The
light
rail
corridor's
previous
resolution
will
go
as
its
own
amendment.
N
N
So
once
we
have
endorsement
by
yourselves,
as
a
committee
we'll
be
looking
to
include
this
in
our
work
program
that
you
so
that
you
can
see
that
overall
program
of
works
that
we're
working
towards
so.
G
To
clarify
the
neighborhood
frameworks
was
the
light
rail
stage
three
corridor
so
what's
happened
now
is
we've
got
the
new
approach.
C
I
have
a
vague
recollection
and
the
director
may
be
able
to
help.
I
think
at
some
point
in
time,
maybe
about
18
months.
Two
years
ago
we
determined
to
extract
some
things
from
a
package
and
deal
with
them
later
in
their
environmental
related
matters,
and
I
wonder
where
they're
sitting
it's
that
one
through
the
second
blue.
D
Will
be
the
emu
councillor
young,
so
you're
right?
It
would
have
been
middle
of
last
year
when
we
separated
environmental
as
part
of
that.
So
that
will
be
all
caught
up
in
that
one
package
and
the
benefits
of
that
is
that
actually
gets
done
much
earlier
than
it
would
have
been
if
it
was
wrapped
up
in
a
larger.
D
G
Amendment
package
was
so
through
the
chair.
I
think
that
related
to
the
critical
corridor
mapping,
so
with
major
update
two
and
three
we
took
a
component
out
because
we
revert
it
back
to
city
plan
mapping.
That's
included
in
this
work
now,
so
the
rework
that's
got
to
be
done
is
included
in
this
and
that's
in
the
scope
that's
outlined
on
page
350.
A
A
A
So
we'll
get
a
presentation
on
that.
One.
O
O
O
Here
we
have
the
wider
zoning
locality
plan
and
the
site
is
located
in
the
low
density
residential
zone
on
the
edge
of
an
existing
established
residential
area
and
as
discussed
within
the
report.
The
applicable
minimum
lot
size
for
the
development
is
400
square
metres.
As
the
subject
site
is
dual
frontage
lodge.
O
Here
we
have
the
proposed
rol
plan
proposing
16
freehold
residential
lots
to
be
accessed
via
an
extension
from
jeff
walter
drive.
Access.
Easements
are
also
proposed
for
driveway
access
and
infrastructure
running
along
the
bottom
of
the
site,
from
lots
seven
to
ten,
and
we
also
have
lot
900
in
the
bottom
right
hand,
corner
which
is
proposed
as
a
future
drainage
reserve,
which
will
be
transferred
to
council.
O
O
O
O
And
in
regards
to
operational
works
for
vegetation
removal,
there's
six
native
trees,
which
are
to
be
retained
in
the
jeff
walter
frontage
of
the
site,
essentially
the
remainder
of
the
vegetations
to
be
removed,
which
has
been
assessed
by
our
arborist
team
and
their
accepting
of
that
also
just
mentioning
here
that,
where
those
trees
are
to
be
retained
in
jeff
walter
drive,
that's
now
an
informal
turnaround.
Pavement
area,
that's
also
to
be
reinstated
as
turf
and
we'll
form
an
informal
road
reserve
around
the
trees.
O
The
narrowest
frontages
are
located
around
the
cul-de-sac
head,
which
is
generally
an
expected
outcome
within
cul-de-sac,
subdivisions
and
and
low-density
residential
zone
officers
have
assessed
these
frontages
against
the
relevant
performance
outcome
and
we
believe
that
the
performance
outcome
has
met
as
practical
shape.
Lots
can
be
achieved
and
future
street
trees
and
street
car
parking
spaces
can
all
be
provided
at
a
level
that
that
we
believe
is
acceptable.
O
In
regards
to
the
retaining
walls
that
are
going
to
be
resulting
from
the
change
to
ground
level,
application
they've
provided
a
retaining
wall
layout
diagram,
which
shows
the
the
location
of
the
retaining
walls
and
their
proposed
heights
officers
have
put
a
specific
condition
on
that.
Any
external
facing
retaining
walls
would
be
to
be
finished
with
a
split
face
finish.
So
it's
a
bit
more
of
an
attractive
outcome
for
the
surrounding
neighbors
and
and
can
minimize
any
visual
impacts.
O
O
O
Basically,
just
across
from
cathedral
avenue,
where
the
blue
indicative
lines
is,
that's
that's
where
this
future
connection
will
link
up
with
and
it's
gonna
provide.
What
officers
believe
is
a
valuable
community
piece
of
infrastructure
linking
it
to
surrounding
parks
and
footpaths,
and
all
that
sort
of
thing,
and
just
to
be
clear.
O
As
I
mentioned
before,
no
vehicle
access
for
the
proposed
residential
lots
is
proposed
or
required,
or
will
even
be
possible
in
the
future
for
the
residential
dwellings,
it's
going
to
be
a
footpath
connection
only
and
the
driveway
is
going
to
be
for
city
maintenance,
city
assets,
maintenance
vehicles
on
that
page.
We've
also
got
the
a
photo
of
the
existing
footpath
connection
just
directly
across
from
cathedral
avenue.
O
O
In
summary,
officers
consider
that
the
proposal
meets
all
relevant
assessment
benchmarks
of
the
city
plan
and
is
recommended
for
approval
with
conditions.
Any
further
questions.
A
Yeah
so
counselors
just
to
give
you
some
context
around
this.
We
have
received
this
as
a
late
item
because
it
was
code
accessible
and
reaching
the
conclusion
of
the
decision-making
period
and
council.
Bob
lumsden
had
asked
that
it
come
to
committee,
particularly
in
relation
to
the
footpath
connection
issues.
So
just
to
give
you
some
background
as
to
why
we
received
it
as
a
late
item.
C
Thanks
chairman,
I
wonder
if
we
might
go
back
to
slide
10,
please
and
question
through
you
chairman.
It's
about
the
fencing
that
might
be
provided
by
the
developer
in
relation
to
the
proposed
retaining
walls,
in
particular
on
that
left-hand
side
of
the
diagram,
which
is,
I
think,
the
southern
side
side
of
the
site.
Correct,
there's
a
there's
homes
there
now,
so
we've
got
a
up
to
one
and
a
half
meter
high
retaining
wall,
and
then,
where
would
the
fence
be
built
in
relation
to
that?
Please,
through.
O
The
chair,
the
fence,
would
be
on
top
of
the
retaining
wall,
so
you
would
for
a
portion
of
that
boundary
interface.
You
would
have
a
1.5
meter
retaining
wall
which
we've
asked
to
be
finished
in
the
split
face,
concrete
and
then
a
fence
on
top,
and
we've
asked
that
to
be
I'll
just
fast
forward
to
the
proposed
plans,
we've
asked
for
a
1.8
metre
high
good
neighbor
fence
to
be
provided
there.
Your
good
neighbour
fence
is
typically
a
colorbond
type
fence
or
a
timber
fence.
O
That's
got
the
the
smoother
finish
on
both
sides,
essentially,
so
that
it's
not
one
side
doesn't
get
the
the
unattractive
outcome.
Yes,
that's
correct.
O
New
allotments
correct
through
the
chair.
Yes,
the
under
the
land
development
guidelines,
the
retainables
have
to
be
set
in
a
minimum
of
200
mil
to
the
subject
site,
depending
on
other
factors
that
could
be
slightly
greater
than
that,
but
then
the
fence
is
going
to
be
on
top
of
that.
So
it's
all
completely
within
the
subject
side.
Thank
you.
Yeah
thanks,
jim.
F
Thank
you
chair,
so
I
asked
for
this
to
come
through
committee,
purely
because
I
had
members
of
the
community
from
all
bar
one
of
the
adjoining
properties
from
mida
place
cathedral
and
primate
get
in
touch
they're
quite
comfortable
with
all
aspects.
Their
understanding
of
the
16
lots,
the
bio
base
and
the
retaining
walls.
All
those
kind
of
things
the
section
they
were
concerned
about
was
the
footpath
connection
from
the
new
cul-de-sac
and
jeff
walter
to
cathedral.
F
They
raised
varying
concerns
as
to
why
I
did
say
I
don't
know
if
any
of
them
will
come
to
fruition,
but
there
essentially
comes
down
to
they
don't
want
to
have
the
concerns
of
the
industrial
estate
just
to
the
north
of
jeff
walter
and
the
anti-social
behaviors
that
occur
there
being
able
to
make
their
way
through
there's
no
footpath,
currently
on
jeff,
walter
or
cathedral.
So
they
didn't
see
it
as
much
of
a
connection
at
all.
The
footpaths
shown
on
slide
13
for
context
the
blue
lines
on
our
cities,
mapping.
F
The
only
section
that
actually
is
footpath
is
the
bottom
left
on
cathedral.
All
the
section
through
the
reserve
is
called
batchworth
road
drain
reserve.
The
footpath
is
exclusively
in
the
bottom
left.
Everything
else
is
concrete.
That's
shaped
like
a
spoon
drain,
it's
got
a
very
clear
v
shape
in
person
and
if
someone
was
to
say
there
was
a
trip
hazard
on
those
con
pieces
of
concrete
we'd
need
to
put
it
through
as
a
surface
drain
maintenance
request,
so
I'm
sure
there's
kids
that
ride
their
scooters
and
bikes
and
things
along
it.
F
But
in
terms
of
a
footpath
connection,
there
is
no
footpaths
in
that
immediate
area
on
cathedral
or
jeff
walter.
So
for
me,
it
just
seemed
like
they
got
the
potential
to
cause
distress
angst
for
25,
odd
households
with
a
footpath
that
doesn't
actually
connect
to
anything.
What
the
residents
have
asked
for
is
removal
of
that
footpath
from
the
new
cul-de-sac
of
jeff
walter
to
cathedral
and
to
have
cathedral
fenced
off
with
the
equivalent
property
boundary
kind
of
fencing
as
it
currently
is.
F
They
did
say
if
there
really
was
need
for
a
maintenance
vehicle
to
access
from
cathedral,
their
understanding
of
that,
but
they'd
like
to
see
that
as
a
gate
on
par
with
a
property
boundary
fence.
That's
I'm
not
a
member
of
the
committee,
but
that
in
essence,
is
what
I
was
hoping
the
committee
might
be
eager
to
recommend
to
council
today.
A
Okay,
thanks,
so
can
we
just
maybe
go
to
the
something
like
that
playing
on
page
27?
That
shows
what
the
actual
footpath
plan
is.
A
O
It
that's
correct,
chair
that
the
footpath
there
is
no
current
footpath
on
that
section
of
jeff
walter
drive.
A
Okay,
so
like
to
me,
you
either
need
to
sort
of
take
it
all
the
way
out
to
that
next
main
road
or
you,
you
don't
get
them
to
do
it
at
all.
The
just
looking
at
the
cathedral,
access
which
is
for
service
vehicles.
O
Yeah,
no,
no
there's
not
the
reason
why
we
did
ask
them
if
it
was
possible
to
provide
the
vehicle
maintenance
from
that
section
of
the
cul-de-sac,
but
essentially
that's
the
low
point
of
the
cul-de-sac
where
there's
a
storm
water,
gully
pit
that
that
all
the
water
will
drain
to
and
city
assets,
don't
basically
like
to
have
to
to
drive
over
a
gully
pit
to
get
access
to
the
bio
basin
for
for
maintenance
reasons.
A
Okay,
so
cancel
about
lumps
and
your
proposal
is
essentially
to
remove
that
gray
hatched.
I
think
that's
the
footpath.
Is
it
the
gray
sort
of
hatching
on
that
bottom
right
lot?
900!
That's.
O
F
Yes,
so
the
footpath
purely
in
lot
900.
Obviously
they
weren't
too
concerned
about
the
footpath
in
the
rest
of
jeff
walter
drive,
apart
from
the
fact
that
it
goes
nowhere.
Apart
from
that,
but
that's
I
guess
it
would
be
concerned
for
new
residents
rather
than
the
existing
ones.
I
did
have
just
a
quick
question:
the
black
squares
that
are
on
the
road.
What
are
they.
O
Arthur
said,
that
is
the
indicative
bin
servicing
location,
which
they've
shown
on
the
rol
plan
just
to
show
that
the
amount
of
wheelie
bins
can
be
stored
temporarily
stored
on
on
the
street
during
collection
day.
F
O
Through
the
chat
we
didn't
investigate
specifically,
but
I
believe
what
would
end
up
resulting
is
you'd
have
a
fairly
wide
oddly
angled
driveway.
I
suppose
that's
that's,
taking
up
room
for
a
future
street
tree
and
and
turf
there
and
that
sort
of
thing,
I
suppose,
adding
to
the
hard
stand.
Appearance
of
the
street.
K
F
Okay,
as
I
said,
the
concerns
from
the
residents,
they
were
understanding.
If
vehicle
access
for
maintenance
had
to
come
from
cathedral,
they
were
preferring
of
it
not,
but
they
understood
that
that
may
be
the
case
that
road
frontage
on
cathedrals,
very
small
I'd
estimate
it's
probably
about
five
meters,
or
so
they
were
seeking
boundary
fence
style,
fencing
in
that
location
and
gating,
on
par
with
that,
rather
than
a
standard
city,
green
boom
gate.
O
Through
it
is,
we
did
measure,
it
is
approximately
eight
meters
wide,
so
it's
probably
a
bit
wider
than
it
looks
we
we
would
probably
have
to
discuss
that
with
city
assets
to
determine
if
that's
something
acceptable
in
terms
of
their
maintenance
and
design
programs,
and
that
sort
of
thing
I
haven't
looked
into
that
level
as
well.
A
F
It's
just
for
other
councillors.
On
page
10,
it's
got
a
picture
of
the
road
frontage
on
cathedral.
It's
the
section
between
the
wooden
fences.
It's
currently
just
a
chicken
wire
type,
two
meter
tall,
ish
fence.
M
A
O
I
haven't,
we
haven't
measured,
it
specifically
cancer,
but
it
would
be
approximately
30
to
40
meters
long
going
by
the
other
lot
lot.
Lengths,
yep
yep.
M
And
currently,
as
it
sits
within
our
recommendation
now
that
that
would
be
delivered
by
the
applicant
okay.
So
if
it
wasn't
to
be
delivered
now
and
form
path,
part
of
a
net
part
of
a
network
going
forward,
then
it
would
come
back
as
something
the
city
would
have
to
retrofit.
O
Through
the
share,
that's
that's
correct,
that's
obviously
subject
to
to
any
committee
decision
in
terms
of
fencing
and
that
sort
of
thing.
But
yes,
if,
if
we
don't
get
footpaths
delivered
at
the
roll
stage,
then
it's
something
that
council
have
to
deliver
later
on
potentially,
and
that
includes
say
that
the
frontage
along
jeff
walter
drive,
where
they're
just
providing
a
small
section
that
essentially
ends
in
the
middle
of
nowhere.
It's
it's,
I
suppose,
still
seen
as
valuable
to
get
that
delivered
at
the
roll
stage.
Yeah.
M
Thank
you
for
that,
and
so
and
again
through
the
chair.
So
and
we
don't
know
the
demographic
of
the
people
that
are
going
to
move
into
this
area.
But,
judging
by
the
fact
of
the
demand
in
the
city,
we
could
anticipate
to
have
families
in
there
with
kids
who
are
wanting
to
move
from
street
to
street.
So
it
would
prov
provide
that
safer
access,
also
and
eight
meters
wide
there.
M
It's
going
to
be,
if
that's
established
as
a
footpath,
and
even
if
it's
not
sealed,
if
it's
not
sealed,
with
concrete
people's
natural
way
to
access.
Something
is
the
shortest
possible
direction.
So
it's
just
going
to
become
a
dirt
bowl,
especially
if
it's
just
got
a
green
green
gate
across
it,
as
we
have
with
city
maintenance.
M
I
would
have
to
say
that,
whilst
I
acknowledge
all
of
all
of
your
reasons,
I
think
we
actually
need
to
be
considerate
of
the
rate
pay
going
forward
and
if
we're
talking,
30
or
40
meters
by
1.5
metres
of
footpath,
that
will
connect
a
new
area
into
a
an
already
existing
area.
I
would
find
it
difficult
to
to
change
that,
especially
and-
and
I
hadn't
heard
that
term
before,
but
the
the
walkable
neighborhood
is
it
plan
or
strategy.
O
Through
the
chair,
that's
correct:
it
was
a
new
set
of
assessment
benchmarks
introduced
by
the
state
in
september,
2020.,
okay,
so
it
is
relatively
new.
Yes,
and
it
only
applies
to
certain
size,
reconfiguring
a
lot
developments,
yeah
and.
M
It's
all
right
with
the
chair,
one
more
question,
so
if
we
were
to
gate
that
off
or
fence
that
off
and
think
so
just
vaguely,
because
we
didn't
get
this
late,
does
that
change
the?
I
guess
how
we've
assessed
it?
Because
if
that's
open,
then
they've
got
two
street
access
to
that.
If
we
fence
that
off
and
not
allow
it
to
be
accessed
at
all,
does
that
change
our
assessment
benchmarks?
Because
it
would
only
have
one
street
access
then.
O
A
E
Sorry,
I
don't
know
that
there
yeah
are
they
path,
connections,
there's
one
under
the
first
day
in
avenue
and
there's
one
that
goes
from
that
green
corridor
through
to
mance
port.
K
Or
through
the
chair,
I've
I
visited
the
site
this
morning
and
I've
taken
some
photographs.
It's
on
a
usb
stick.
If
the
counselors
would
like
to
see
the
access
from
cathedral
to
the
drainage
reserve
is
actually
footpath.
K
I
viewed
it
today
and
I
believe
it's
a
shared
space
along
the
drainage
reserve.
I
have
a
photo
of
a
man
with
his
dog
taken
at
seven
o'clock
this
morning.
It
does
actually
link
up
to
the
footpath
on
the
other
side
of
cathedral.
I
think
they're
worth
looking
at
if,
if
the
councillors
would
like
to
see
them.
A
Okay,
well,
let's,
let's
have
show-and-tell
should
we
take
a
out
while
those
oh
well,
that
was
very
quick.
Oh
no!
This
is
something
different.
Is
it
are
these
your
photographs
all
right.
G
J
L
G
A
F
Think
the
thanks
chip
from
memory,
the
southern
side
has
kermit
channel
the
northern
side,
doesn't
right,
but
there's
no
other
footpaths
or
negativity.
That's
where
it
transitions
from.
I
guess,
residential
to
industrial
and
big
part
of
the
concern
from
this.
There
was
participants
from
residents
such
as
in
mance
court
and
some
of
the
other
surrounding
streets
who
are
also
members
of
neighbourhood
watch
and
a
lot
of
the
concerns
stemming
from
potential
pedestrian
thoroughfare
coming
from
jeff
walter
from
the
industrial
estates.
F
F
F
So
the
handing
activity
that
results
there
and
crime
and
theft
and
just
the
ability
to
transition
through
the
suburb
more
easily,
there's
currently
no
connection
there.
The
dual
road
frontage
is
fenced
off.
So
that's
currently
not
a
potential
activity.
F
O
F
F
A
I
think
you
can
offer
connections,
I
mean
look,
you
can
clearly
go
back
to
them
and
say
that
it
came
to
committee.
It
was
considered
so,
regardless
of
whether
there
was
any
formal
tabling
of
their
petition.
It's
definitely
you
know.
Their
concerns
have
been
heard
and
considered
so
councilgate.
So
you
were
happy
to
move
it
seconded
by
councillor
peter
young.
I
mean.
Maybe
this
is
contrary
to
the
intention
as
well,
but
I
actually
think
if
anything
we
should
be
adding
the
footpath
on
jeff
walter
drive
to
activity
present.
C
E
Chairman,
if
I
might
just
say
part
of
my
motivation
in
moving
this
is
to
keep
pedestrians
off
activity
present.
E
I
I
really
believe
that
the
connection
is
important
for
the
future
and
it's
just
too
difficult
for
me
to
go
against
all
that.
We
as
a
council
have
tried
to
focus
on
in
improving
our
active
and
healthy
networks.
Trinity
college
is,
I
guess,
to
I'm
trying
to
get
my
north
east
and
west,
but
it's
not
that
far
down.
E
Of
of
this
development,
and
regardless
of
whether
those
connections
were
intended
as
footpaths
or
not,
they,
they
provide
a
viable
means
for
people
to
get
through
these
areas
without
having
to
go
on
to
the
very
busy
activity
crescent.
I
know
that
street
very
well,
because
I
often
sneak
along
that
way
and
through
the
industrial
area
to
access
smith
street
and
then
the
m1
and
I
think,
we're
far
better
off
for
the
future
community
of
this
area
to
have
an
alternative
for
active
travel
that
goes
through
the
back
streets.
E
I
can't
imagine
why
anyone
from
that
industrial
area
would
want
to
walk
down
there
and
through
through
that
area,
for
what
purpose
for
where
they're
heading.
I
just
can't
see
that
as
a
valid,
a
valid
notion.
So,
for
those
reasons
and
in
complying
with
the
strategies
that
we
have
in
place
to
get
people
out
of
their
cars
and
onto
their
feet
and
cycling,
I'm
happy
to
move
the
officer's
recommendation.
C
G
And
so,
whilst
there's
been
feedback
from
the
local
neighborhood
watch
group,
I
think
that
they
may
need
to
turn
that
around
and
think
of
the
benefits
they're
going
to
get
from
16
new
members
of
their
neighbourhood
watch
group
and
also
there'll,
actually
be
active
participation
in
in
surveillance
of
people
in
the
area.
So
I
I
think
it's
actually
important
and
and
behold
honest
as
councillors
to
try
to
connect
communities
wherever
possible.
G
It
couldn't
be
supported,
because
one
of
the
benefits
of
the
connection
between
the
two
estates
is
that
the
the
local
officer
in
charge
of
the
if
the
camera
police
station
actually
used
to
run
through
that
area
as
part
of
his
as
as
his
morning
routine.
G
So
sometimes
what
communities
imagine
as
threats
actually
are
the
very
opposite
of
that,
and
there
are
opportunities
to
actually
connect
better,
and
I
think
that
that's
ultimately,
what
needs
to
be
reinforced
here
with
this
particular
community
and
making
sure
that
wherever
possible,
we
get
the
developer
to
pay
for
things
that
we
otherwise
aren't
able
to
charge
them.
So
we've
got
a
hard
cap
on
infrastructure
charges.
G
F
Thanks
yeah,
as
I
said,
the
residents
and
the
the
existing
residents
in
that
community
are
largely
welcoming
of
the
application
they
understand.
It's
going
to
significantly
improve
overland
flow
with
the
addition
of
the
bio
basin.
It'll
alleviate
a
lot
of
those
concerns
they
currently
have,
as
I
said,
I'm
just
of
the
belief
that
it's
very
small
change
to
an
otherwise
great
application.
F
F
I
think,
there's
three
other
lots
currently
on
jeff
walter
and
one
of
which
is
a
doesn't,
have
residents
living
at
it.
So,
for
those
reasons
I
just
thought
it
was
a
minor
change
needed
to
address
the
concerns
of
the
immediate
community
and
essentially
the
only
community
that
would
be
affected
by
this
application.
E
A
G
So
it's
probably
not
a
general
business
item,
but
it's
the
I've
recently
come
across
a
set
of
circumstances
in
hope,
island,
where
the
planning
act
is
being
used
to
exempt
a
particular
development
from
coming
to
council-
and
that's
been
quite
a
concern
to
that
local
community-
and
I
don't
know
whether
or
not
there
is
anything
that
the
city
can
do
in
order
to
change
the
way
that
those
items
might
come
forward
in
the
future.
G
And
it
was
effectively
a
community
residence
in
a
in
a
low
density
area
where
six
one-bedroom
apartments
are
being
built
under
one
roof
and
it's
exempt.
It
would
appear
to
be
completely
exempt
from
the
council
having
any
input,
because
this,
the
state
legislation
that
that
does
that-
and
I
just
it's
staggering.
G
Explain
to
me
that
as
well,
so
so
there's
a
planning
regulation
that
that
I,
that
exempts
from
from
an
assessment
process
a
community
residence.
So
six,
six
individual
residents,
plus
one
carer
with
a
and
as
long
as
there's
a
minimum
of
four
car
spaces.
G
Community
residence
is
how
it's
described
and
it's
being
used
in
this
case,
because
somebody's
come
up
with
a
novel
funding
mechanism
to
utilize
the
ndis
ndis
schemes,
but-
and
so
I've
never
come
across
it
before,
but
it.
But
so
this
is
in
comb
avenue
at
hope,
island
people
with
an
expectation
that
there
will
there
won't
be
anything
other
than
a
house
beside
them.
K
G
And
roger
it's
even
a
surprise
to
me,
because
it's
almost
the
other
side
that
we
had
at
michigan,
which
I
had
the
large
lot
overlay
which
protected
it,
but
that
you
had
it's
really
not
dissimilar
to
what
was
proposed.
There.
K
Unfortunately,
it
doesn't
prevent
each
unit
from
having
some
form
of
cooking
or
or
washing
laundry
facility.
So
if
it's
limited
to
one
bedroom
and
there's
commun,
there's
some
community
functioning
within
the
development,
they
are
actually
potentially
complying
with
the
kumara
up
with
the
community
residence
definition.
Under
the
planning
regulations.
A
K
Through
your
mr
chair,
it's
actu
if
they
comply
with
the
definition
within
the
planning
regulation.
It's
not
accessible
development
under
the
city
plan.
I
suppose
to
give
you
some
comfort.
We
have
been
told
that
the
legitimate
community
residence
for
the
for
them
to
actually
build
it.
It
puts
around
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
each
unit
in
terms
of
making
the
unit
more
accessible,
maybe
lifts,
and
all
of
that.
So
I
don't
think,
there's
ever
going
to
be
a
situation
where
they're
converted
into
a
residential
apartment,
purely
because
of
the
cost
of
of
constructing
it.
K
Through
you,
mr
chair,
not
necessarily
the
case
and
that's
the
case,
we're
having
with
one
in
councillor
owen,
jones's
area
about
the
tenure.
They
could
be
run
by
an
organization
like
the
churches
of
christ,
or
they
could
be
building
format
planned
some
sort
of
tenure
through
that
arrangement.
Giving
each
person
in
individual
rights
for
their
exclusive
area.
A
G
Particular
challenge
in
the
hype,
island
example,
is
that
it's
in
a
street
that
was
part
of
a
genuine
1957
subdivision,
which
is
subject
to
fairly
consistent
waterlogging
every
time.
There's
a
king
tide,
and
so
normally
we
would
take
all
of
that
into
consideration
as
part
of
any
type
of
development
in
the
site.
And
I've
had
to
explain
to
the
residents
that
we
have
no
power
so,
and
I
just
I
just
find
it
extraordinary.
K
Through
you,
mr
chair,
we
we
did
discuss
this
matter
a
few
committees
ago
about
the
flood
level
yeah
and
there's
an
obligation
on
anyone
they
have
to
under
the
building
regulations.
They
have
to
be
300
millimeters
above
the
dfl,
no
one's
no
one's
exempt
from
that.
G
Which
which
I've
explained
to
the
residents
is
the
very
same
thing
that
gives
them
a
right
to
redevelop
on
the
street
is
the
same
that
provides
here.
It's
just
a
really
unusual
circumstance,
and
I
don't
think
it's
something
that
we
necessarily
would
intend
to
happen
without
at
least
residents
being
able
to
have
input.
D
We
could
do
that
through
you,
mr
chair
councillor,
gates,
and
I
could
also
raise
it
at
the
next
seq
rpc
as
well.
We
have
the
minister
in
in
the
room
at
that
stage.
G
Maybe
that
second
option
is:
is
the
better
option
like
like
I
mean,
I
think,
we're
all
it's
it's
it's
it's
a
loophole
that
people
can
just
drive
a
truck
through
and-
and
I
don't
think
anybody
has
the
problem
with
the
idea
of
providing
really
good
living
outcomes
for
people
and
salt
and
peppering
them
through
a
community.
All
of
that,
but
it's
it.
It
really
does
fly
in
the
face
of
what
we
try
to
achieve
in
our
city
plan
people.
G
K
Through
you,
mr
chair,
that
is
a
good,
a
good
question,
so
the
dfl's
definite
I
I
believe
that
they
still
have
to
require
with
comply
with
benchmarks.
It's
a
bit
technical,
but
it
becomes
building
works
as
opposed
to
material
change
of
use.
The
building
works
provisions
under
the
building
act
and
the
relationship
with
the
planning
act
still
require
those
key
benchmarks
to
be
maintained,
so
in
a
in
a
in
a
short
way.
Yes,
correct.
G
G
So
I've
got
at
least
three
residents
who
have
genuine
concerns
in
regards
to
privacy,
and
there
are
there's
no
there's
no
elevations
or
anything
that
I'm.
I
can
show
them
and
I
can't
give
them
any
guarantee
other
than
it's
privately
certified
and
it
either
complies
or
it
doesn't
comply.
G
So
I
don't
need
to
raise
an
item
in
regards
to
the
hope,
island
mata.
Yet
because
I
think
the
city
solicitor
and
the
director
are
all
over
it.
Hopefully.