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A
Live
welcome
to
transport
and
infrastructure
committee
meeting
802.
We
have
one
apology
for
today
and
that's
councillor
caldwell.
If
someone
could
move
by
council
of
vorster
and
seconded
by
councillor
taylor,
all
those
we
have
so
did
I
we
have
11
items
on
the
agenda
today,
so
welcome
councillor,
mcdonald
and
also
our
deputy
mayor
councillor
gates,
we've
got
11
items
on
the
agenda
today.
Did
anyone
want
to
unstar
anything
well.
A
Start
items
moved
by
councillor
owen
jones
seconded
by
councillor,
peter
young,
all
those
in
favor.
Okay,
did
we
have
any
declarations,
counsellors
that
haven't
been
put
forward
already.
A
That
would
be
a
very
quiet.
No,
so
we
will
move
on
with
our
first.
Unstarred
item
is
item
seven,
which
is
the
gold
coast,
light
rail
stage.
Four.
Let's
leave
that
a
bit
closer.
Sorry.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you
councillors.
So,
as
you
will
recall,
we
said
that
we
would
continue
to
update
you
on
progress
of
light
rail
in
the
city.
Today
is
time
for
an
update
on
light
rail
stage.
Four,
so
we've
got
matt
here
and
dale
jepson
who's.
The
exec
coordinator
managing
this
on
behalf
of
the
city
so
matt,
I
believe
you've
got
a
short
presentation.
C
You're.
All
well
aware,
and
thanks
to
your
support
for
things
like
transport
strategy.
C
Sorry,
councils
of
the
strategic
framework
that
we're
working
towards,
and
obviously
the
golf
course
city
transport
strategy
from
a
number
of
years
ago,
including
the
one
from
the
late
90s,
obviously
had
a
strong
emphasis
on
creating
a
mass
transit
system,
particularly
along
the
coastal
spine
of
the
city.
C
That's
been,
I
guess,
revalidated
through
our
midlife
review
and
certainly
the
work
we
did
on
the
gold
coast.
Public
transport
network
plan
back
in
2018
emphasized
priority
number
one
was
about
extension
of
the
g-link
across
the
city
at
priority
action.
1.1
was
essentially
about
stage
three
of
the
light
rail
and
priority
action.
1.2
is
what
we
now
know
is
stage
four
of
the
system
in
terms
of
sorry
for
jumping
in
terms
of
the
the
the
overview
of
the
benefits
to
the
city.
C
Naturally,
stage
four
will
create
that
extension
down
towards
the
southern
end
of
the
coast,
including
the
gold
coast
airport,
which
is
a
massive
trip,
generator
and
trip
a
tractor.
Also,
obviously,
there's
many
employment
opportunities
and
some
emerging
land
use
development
in
the
southern
part
of
the
coast
as
well.
C
We
we
are
referring
to
stage
four
as
being
linking
billy
heads
to
coolangatta
via
the
gold
coast
airport,
and
the
work
we're
doing
with
the
state
government
at
the
moment
is
also
contemplating
what
a
cross-border
connection
may
look
like
with
the
transport
for
new
south
wales
and
also
tweedshire
council.
So
a
few
things
in
this
early
phase
of
planning
that
are
in
scope
and
obviously,
as
we
progress
through
the
planning
process,
we'll
get
a
little
bit
more
certainty
about
what
the
what
the
intention
is
in
terms
of
moving
towards,
eventually
delivery.
C
Look.
The
benefits
to
communicate
on
this
community
are
on
the
screen.
There
obviously
connectivity
safety
light
rail
is
a
very
safe
motor
transport.
As
we
know,
it's
a
very
reliable
mode
of
transport
in
terms
of
travel
time.
So
certainly
that's
a
key
performance
indicator.
C
If
you
like,
of
any
modern
and
contemporary
transport
system,
as
we've
seen
in
stage
one
and
stage
two
to
a
slightly
lesser
extent
and
we'll
see
in
stage
three
we'll
have
a
much
improved,
walking
and
cycling
experience
to
the
corridor
along
the
corridor,
and
certainly
the
connectivity
of
the
airport
is
something
that's
not
to
be
not
to
be
understated
at
this
time
as
they
expand
their
own
operations.
C
We
are
the
city
and
the
state
have
partnered
in
this
last
several
months
around
commencing,
what's
called
the
project
assurance
framework
process,
so
there's
a
few
different
titles
within
that
box.
You
can
see
there
a
three-stage
process,
essentially,
as
we
have
done
for
the
previous
stages
of
light
rail
and
other
major
projects
in
the
city.
So
the
first
stage
is:
what's
called
a
strategic
assessment
phase.
This
was
often
called
strategic
business
case
and
sometimes
called
the
strategic
assessment
of
service
requirements.
C
So
that's
the
phase
that
we
are
currently
working
on
with
the
state
and
with
a
very
well-regarded
private
sector
partner
at
the
moment
as
well
that
essentially,
that
will
go
through
to
the
end
of
this
financial
year.
We're
progressing
very
well
through
the
process
and
certainly
have
had
some
some
really
good
work
done
by
all
parties.
Thus
far,
the
intention
at
the
moment
is
to
move
into
what's
called
the
options.
C
Analysis
phase
again,
that's
previously
called
the
preliminary
business
case
phase
at
some
point
in
2021-22
we're
currently
working
with
the
department
on
what
the
governance
and
what
the
funding
arrangements
are
for
that
particular
phase,
noting
that
there
has
been
some
shared
correspondence
between
minister
and
the
mayor
dated
around
july
last
year
around
what
that
would
be
essentially
a
50
50
cost
shared
arrangement,
the
detailed
business
case.
Obviously,
that's
a
couple
of
steps
down
the
down
the
down
the
line.
C
We
haven't
necessarily
entered
into
detailed
conversations
about
the
the
process
and
the
timing
for
that
yet,
but
the
intention
would
be
if
we
do
advance
through
the
what's
called
the
sa
phase
and
we
do
advance
through
the
options
analysis
phase
that
hopefully
we
would
then
move
progressively
into
the
detailed
business
case.
C
So
progress
to
date,
I've
mentioned
I've
touched
this
a
little
bit
in
my
commentary
on
the
previous
slide.
There
are,
there
are
a
number
of
parallel
pieces
of
work
at
the
moment.
Like
I
said,
the
city
on
behalf
of
the
partnership
is
leading
the
strategic
assessment
phase,
which
is
very
well
progressed.
The
draft
of
that
strategic
assessment
is
doing
its
rounds
through
the
city
and
state
stakeholders
in
parallel
and
main
roads
have
undertaken
and
are
undertaking
a
series
of
what's
called
corridor
planning
pieces
of
work.
C
They
completed
the
burly
heads
to
tune
in
what's
called
a
multimodal
corridor
study
in
about
12
months
ago
and
have
commenced
the
the
same
process,
multimodal
corridor
transport
study
for
tugan
to
cool
and
gather
at
the
moment
and,
like
I
said
they
are
doing
some
work
across
border.
So
there's
a
lot
of
there's.
Also
some
work
been
done
on
the
heavy
rail
extension
to
the
gold
coast
airport
as
well.
C
We
are
doing
in
the
city
a
whole
lot
of
in
partnership
with
epa
a
whole
lot
of
land
use,
planning
assessments
around
the
the
open
growth
model
and
whatnot
as
well.
The
focus
for
2122,
as
you
can
see,
on
the
screen
there,
the
minister's
already
made
an
announcement
that
there
would
be
a
period
of
community
consultation
about
like
rail
stage.
C
Four
at
some
point
in
2122.,
we've
read
in
the
media
as
we'll
have
it
might
be
in
the
earlier
part
of
the
financial
year,
but
I
think
I
understand
the
approvals
for
when
and
what
that
looks
like
and
how
that
will
be
undertaken
is
still
with
the
minister
for
approval.
So,
unfortunately
I
can't,
I
don't
know
much
details
to
share
on
the
at
the
moment,
but
we've
as
soon
as
we
do
get
some
information
that
we.
C
The
intention,
is
that
the
city
cities
offices,
both
in
the
transport
space
and
land
you
space,
would
be
there
to
support
tmr
in
their
leadership
of
that
community
consultation
exercise
and,
like
I
said,
the
intention
for
21
22
is
that
we
do
commence
that
options.
Analysis
phase,
which
shows
where
we're
really
getting
to
the
the
near
greedy
of
the
project
just
mentioned
this.
What
we
do
know
is
that
there
may
be
some
face-to-face
sessions.
C
There
will
be
project
newsletter,
we've
seen
a
little
bit
of
collateral
that
has
been
doing
the
rounds
in
the
early
early
versions
of
drafting
naturally
website
consultation
hotline,
like
I
said
the
minister
has
been
quite
clear
on
his
expectations
about
that
and,
like
I
said,
we'll
just
work
on
the
absolute
detail
of
that
with
with
the
tmr
officers.
As
we
speak,
the
piece
of
consultation
that
the
department
did
do
last
year,
timing-wise
is,
as
we
found
out.
You
know
in
a
briefing
a
week
or
so
ago.
C
It
was
obviously
affected
by
the
timing
of,
can,
I
say,
the
city
and
a
nation
shutdown
in
relation
to
covert
last
year.
Unfortunately,
a
lot
of
it
was
done
online
through
and
through
phone
surveys.
I
think
they
serve
at
about
500
community
representatives
in
that
southern
part
of
the
gold
coast
and-
and
you
can
see
there
over
two
thirds
of
residents
and
business
operators
did
indicate
a
level
of
positive
support
for
a
for
a
light
rail
stage.
Four.
This
of
this
consultation
document
is
available
on
the
the
tmi
website.
C
If
you
would
like
to
know
any
more
about
that
now,
you
can
see
there
and
you
can
see
that
businesses
slightly
less
support,
but
certainly
in
residential
support
for
the
for
the
the
concept,
if
you
like,
of
the
the
corridor
study,
which
did
present
light
rail
as
a
as
a
mass
transit
solution
along
the
coastal
corridor.
C
So
just
to,
I
think,
it's
the
final
slide
just
to
reiterate
where
we're
up
to
at
the
moment.
So
there's
like,
I
said
the
corridor
planning
being
undertaken
by
the
department
in
those
first
two
line
items
there,
the
strategic
assessment
underway
and
we'll
get
hopefully
finalize
that
through
the
tmr's
infrastructure
investment
committee
around
mid-year,
hopefully
not
long
into
into
the
new
financial
year.
We
then
look
to
commence
that
options.
C
Analysis
phase,
not
long
into
2122
with
a
view
to
a
detailed
business
case
and
and
the
governance
and
funding
that
comes
with
that,
hopefully
not
long
into
22
23..
The
overarching
intention,
as
mr
mayor
and
others
have
spoken
about,
is
to
use
to
roll
on
from
stage
three
construction
completion
into
early
works
for
stage
four.
If
we,
if
we're
possible
to
to
keep
the
momentum
going
via
the
system,
development.
C
So
the
recommendation
to
you
as
part
of
the
report
today
is
hopefully
a
fairly
simple
one
but,
like
I
said
we're
open
to
answering
as
many
questions
as
we
can
in
relation
to
the
process
we're
undertaking.
Can
I
assure
the
council
that
we
are
doing
a
proper
due
diligence
process
around
this,
to
make
sure
that
we
have
as
many
answers
as
possible
to
elected
representatives
in
the
community
as
we
go
through
the
journey
and
make
sure
that
any
perceived
actual
impacts
are
managed
as
best
as
possible
as
we
do
progress?
A
Thanks
very
much
matt
and
we'll
go
to
questions
just
keeping
in
mind
that,
even
though
this
isn't
on
grey
paper,
we
just
don't
want
to
step
too
far
into
it,
where
we
put
ourselves
where
we
might
need
to
go
into
clothes,
so
I'll
go
to
council
of
worcester.
First.
D
D
It
interested
me,
at
least
in
this
public
presentation,
that
some
of
the
benefits
that
have
been
articulated
seem
to
exclude
the
benefit
on
easing
traffic
congestion,
so
I
just
wondered
whether
part
of
the
study
has
revealed
potential
easing
of
congestion
at
the
time
that
the
project
is
delivered
because
of
the
shift.
The
mode
shift
I'd
be
interested
to
know
whether
that
was
established
in
this
early
part
of
the
study.
D
If
so,
I
think
that's
worth
talking
about
and
if
not
what's
really
interesting
to
me
is
how
we
can
reconcile
some
of
our
traffic
progress
traffic
models
right,
which
may
project
some
traffic
volume
in
the
future.
Without
a
vehicular,
I
should
say
traffic
volume
without
the
light
rail
compared
to
with
the
light
rail
just
to.
I
think,
establishing
the
community's
mind
that
there
are
some
congestion
benefits
to
be
had
first
question.
B
Thank
you,
council
of
also
for
you,
madam
chair,
and
then
matt,
I'm
sure
what
will
add
to
this
very
good
point.
Council
of
worcester,
and
probably
we
are
a
little
too
close
to
the
wood,
to
see
the
trees.
So
we
we
take
it
for
granted
in
terms
of
the
reduction
of
traffic
congestion,
and
it
has
been
part
of
the
business
case
and
the
the
proof
of
those
business
cases.
B
D
Ourselves,
criticisms
of
stage
3i,
which
I
think
is
unfair
and
I
don't
think
it's
well
founded-
is
that
there'd
be
a
reduction
in
lanes
and
therefore
there
would
be
more
congestion,
but
it
never
seems
to
acknowledge
mode
shift.
So
if
we've
got
some
early
data
to
support
that
or
suspicions,
I
think
we
need
to
labor
that
point
to
try
and
at
the
earliest
opportunity,
articulate
the
correct
narrative
that
ultimately
we're
doing
this,
because
it
makes
most
sense
to
move
people
up
and
down
the
coastal
corridor.
D
So
number
one
number
two
there's
been
some
commentary
around
the
location
of
stops
and
potentially
excluding
say
stretches
of
palm
beach
from
you
know,
accessing
light
rail
on
the
back
of
any
community
feedback
that
may
be
uncovered
through
consultation.
I
just
wondered
whether
there
was
any
appetite
from
the
state
government,
at
least
to
look
at
reducing
the
number
of
stops
at
all
along
this
last
stage.
Or
would
we
imagine
that
this
fourth
stage
would
have
stops
as
frequently
dispersed
as
we
have
in
stages?
One
and
three
a.
C
Three
minute
chair:
I
think
he
has
a
horse
at
the
moment.
What
has
been
made.
What
the
city
has
been
made
aware
of
through
the
multimodal
corridor
study
is
a
a
proposal
that
the
stopping
pattern
would
be
similar
to
that
of
light
rail
stage.
Three
in
previous
stages,
there's
certain
spacing
to
allow
as
much
accessibility
for
members
of
the
community
along
the
corridor.
At
a
briefing
back
to
councillors,
o'neill
and
macdonald,
and
myself
got
from
tmr.
C
Last
week
they
seemed
there
was
reticence
to
consult
broadly
about
the
stopping
locations
and
perhaps
more
so
about
the
elements
associated
with
the
stops.
But
I'm
sure
there
was
a
community
groundswell
in
a
certain
position,
then
that
certainly
that
apart
would
need
to
be
listening
to
the
community
sentiment.
D
Right
and
that's
ultimately
a
matter
for
the
state,
not
not
for
us
right.
Another
question-
and
I
really
should
know
this-
I
suppose,
but
we
don't
yet
have
light
rail
coming
through
division,
eleven,
seven,
not
yet
we'll
get
to
that.
In
some
questions
further
questions
I
just
wondered
whether
this
represents
a
project
that
could
qualify
for
and
for
funding
under
a
future
revision
of
the
lgb.
B
Three,
madam
chair
council
voice.
I
don't
think
so,
but
I'll
take
that
on
notice.
D
This
is
a
piece
of
infrastructure
where
we're
being
asked
to
make
a
capital
contribution
for
the
purposes
of
supporting
population
growth
and,
to
my
mind,
there
is
a
clear
nexus
between
the
nature
of
our
investment
and
the
objective
of
the
lgb,
and
I
like
to
think
that
the
development
that
unfolds,
both
at
the
moment
and
as
a
consequence
of
the
project,
is
helping
to
fund
council's
contribution
toward
the
project
in
the
first
place.
I
think
that's
a
it's
a
useful
one,
useful
narrative
to
build
two.
D
It
seems
equitable
to
the
balance
of
the
city
and
three
it
puts
our.
I
think,
establishes
a
good
precedent
for
the
way
we
might
fund
future
stages.
So
if
we
maybe
take
that
on
notice,
my
next
question
is
around
the
role
of
the
airport.
D
D
C
The
human
chair,
the
the
current
piece
of
work,
that
a
partner
are
doing
with
relation
to
the
children
to
cooling
data
corridor
study
is
engage.
That's
the
mechanism
to
engage
with
the
airport.
The
team
have.
C
Confirmed
that
they'd
like
to
manage
the
relationship
with
the
gold
coast
airport
for
the
time
being
around
those
options
associated
with
the
gold
coast
highway
and
whether
a
corridor
would
stay
on
corridor,
whether
it
would
penetrate
the
gold
coast
land.
So
I
think
it's
still
early
days,
but
I
think
you're
right.
Those
conversations
would
need
to
be
yeah.
D
To
my
mind,
they
need
to
be
making
a
capital
contribution
and
I'm
not
saying
we
bleed
them
dry,
but
you
know
the
cost
of
bringing
the
infrastructure
onto
their
site
to
constructing
platforms
and
all
that
sort
of
stuff,
to
my
mind,
is
most
sensibly
carried
by
the
airport
right.
So
that's
that's
just
something
I'll
flag.
There
preview.
B
D
Great,
I
want
to
make
sure
it's
financial
interest,
or
also
on
the
heavy
rail
extension
work.
That's
canvased
in
the
report,
I'm
interested
by
that
because
it
talks
about
this
study,
potentially
looking
at
establishing
east-west
links
to
heavy
rail.
To
my
mind,
that
is
the
east-west
study
that's
presently
unfolding.
D
C
A
good
good
question:
I
think
the
the
heavy
rail
study
of
the
city
doesn't
have
a.
We
don't
have
a
seat
at
a
piece
of
governance.
At
the
moment,
council
of
austin.
I
think
it's
still
relatively
early
days
for
that
project,
which
we
have
kept
in
the
loop
through
our
stage:
four
governance:
more
broadly
the
scent
gold
coast,
central
east
west
passenger
transport
study.
I
think
it's
cool
now
is
again
it's
relatively
early
days.
C
The
early
momentum
we
built
up
some
while
ago
has
been
has
been
adopted
if
you
like
by
the
department
and
we're
about
to
really
fire
up
that
project
in
relation
to
technical
advancement
of
their
consultancy,
a
major
consultancy,
I
think,
is
just
been
awarded
or
is
about
to
be
awarded
for
that
project.
C
So
we
are
still
at
the
phase
where
we
have
a
high
degree
of
influence
about
the
east
west
passenger
transport
study
to
make
sure
that
the
geographical
scope
and
the
system
scope
of
that
project
is
what
it
needs
to
be
in
relation
to
these
other
other
projects.
Eg
light
rail
stage,
four
or
they'll,
be
running.
D
Yeah
so,
to
my
mind,
we
signed
up
when
the
transport
strategy
2031
was
adopted
to
a
plan
and
that
foreshadows
a
link
for
through
out
two
divisions,
madam
chair,
and
we
then,
as
a
council,
have
endorsed
participation,
this
east-west
passenger
transport
corridor
to
help
fulfill
some
of
those
objectives
in
that
strategy.
But
what's
not
listed,
are
these
more
southern
light.
Rail,
heavy
rail
connections-
and
I
just
want
to
underscore
my
my
expectation
that
support
for
this
process
isn't
a
distraction
for
the
east-west
connection
between,
say,
berlin
and
robina.
Right.
B
B
F
Thank
you.
So
I
just
had
a
question
in
regards
to
a
depot:
are
we
going
to
continue
to
rely
on
just
one
depot
in
the
in
the
north
at
southport
or
ultimately,
will
they
end
up
being
a
second
depot
in
the
far
south.
F
Thank
you
and
then
on
slide
six,
which
showed
the
slide
six
and
sandy,
which
showed
stage
four,
formerly
known
as
stage
three.
It
appeared
to
be
broken
into
potentially
three
different
sections
for
a
study.
F
C
Three
minute
chair
the
two
studies
that
tmr
are
doing.
My
understanding
is
that
they
are
neces.
They
are
necessary
parts
of
the
department's
category
c
corridor
planning
which
are
inputs
to
the
whole
corridor
stage.
Four,
so
burley
heads
to
killing
over
the
airport
project
assurance
framework
process,
so
we
haven't
departed
from
the
assumption
that
we're
dealing
with
a
full
stage,
four
through
the
path
process.
At
the
moment,
the
two
tmr
parts
are
based
on,
amongst
many
things,
funding
availability
through
their
q-tip
program.
F
Yeah,
so
my
personal
view
is
I'd,
be
really
disappointed
if
the
state
sought
to
value
engineer
out
that
last
section
and
saw
it
as
being
airport
and
then
we'll
pause
type
of
project,
because
I
don't
think
that
that
is
necessarily
the
intention
of
the
city.
B
There's
been
no
indication
of
that
whatsoever,
yet.
F
And
then,
if
I
could
just
make
an
observation
in
regards
to
eligib
funding,
my
view
is
that
it
shouldn't
be,
like
I
mean,
as
an
elgip,
is
a
small
bucket
that
has
to
fund
a
whole
lot
of
things,
and
I
I
actually.
I
think
that
the
funding
mix
that
we
have
at
the
moment
by
funding
it
through
the
levy,
is
probably
the
preferred
option
and
if
the
state
ever
want
to
get
around
to
creating
a
state
government
infrastructure
plan,
that
would
probably
be
the
best
place
for
it.
F
Then
and
then
finally,
not
a
question,
but
I'd
be
interested
in
an
amendment
to
the
recommendation,
which
isn't,
which
is
just
a
noting,
but
I
think
that
we
should
take
this
opportunity
to
as
part
of
where
we're
at
at
the
moment,
emphasize
to
the
state
that
we
need
to
create
a
business
as
usual
funding,
model
or
percentage.
F
Where
you
know,
I
think
we've
done
three
stages
from
memory
11.
Something
like
that.
I
think
that
we
should
actually,
as
as
we
step
into
the
those
three
analysis,
stages
or
business
plan
stages.
F
We
should
make
it
really
clear
to
both
other
levels
of
government
that
that's
the
percentage
that
we
are
prepared
to
commit
towards
capital
for
the
delivery
of
their
projects,
so
that
nobody
gets
too
adventurous
in
the
future.
Thinking
that
the
city
should
be
funding
a
greater
share.
So
I
think
we've
had
three
stages
where
we've
been
able
to
be
consistent
in
our
negotiations
and
so
to
me
we
should
stick
with
that
percentage
and
let
that
be
a
key
cornerstone
of
building
block
for
all
future
negotiations.
D
So,
madam
chair,
I
support
drawing
a
line
in
the
sand
if
I
count
simon
jones
flags.
What
does
concern
me,
though,
is
that
we
may
adopt
a
percentage,
but
if
the
overall
price
for
the
project
is
higher
than
it
needs
to
be,
then
the
rate
payer
is
still
subsidizing.
Inefficiency
in
the
delivery
model,
the
way
in
which
the
state
government
is
handling
its
procurement
in
the
project.
So
we've
just
I
mean
I
I
don't
know
what
the
veracity
of
the
comments
are.
D
But
there's
been
a
lot
of
media
commentary
about
how
the
state's
better
procurement
policy
may
be
subsidizing
the
cfmeu,
maybe
I
think
it
is
or
providing
some
benefit
to
that
union,
which
is
then
adding
to
construction
costs
of
the
infrastructure.
Now,
if
we
peg
our
contribution
to
a
percentage,
we're
going
to
be
carrying
a
percentage
of
the
premium
that
the
state
government
is
paying
for
the
project,
rather
than
discounting
our
contribution
to
reflect
the
fact
that
there
is
a
state
procurement
policy
that
is
outside
of
our
control,
inflating
prices,
so.
F
So
I
think
we
avoid
all
of
that
by
doing
what
we've
done
for
the
first
three
stages,
which
is
commit
to
a
percentage
prior
to
the
procurement
policy
kicking
in
so
we've
actually
know.
We've
we've
landed
on
a
dollar
amount
based
on
a
percentage
of
the
pre-business
case
submission
so
if
either
of
the
other
levels
of
government
want
to
procrastinate
or
spend
time
in
the
delivery,
you
know
to
me:
we've
settled
from
memory,
11
or
so
percent
based
on
the
business
case.
That's
what
we're
funding.
F
F
I
don't
have
words,
but
the
funding
contribution
towards
light
rail
stages?
So.
F
So
so
it's
about
it's
it's
about
it's,
so
what
we
don't
have
control
of
council
of.
Also,
in
my
view,
is
we
don't
have
any
control
of
what
the
state
wants
to
value
add
in
or
out
of
the
project.
So
so
we
know
there's
a
whole
lot
of
extra
things
that
go
into
improving
active
travel,
so
bikes
and
footpaths
and
bridge
footbridges
and
all
of
those
things
we're
kind
of
divorced
from
them
being
able
to.
F
D
But
how
do
we
insulate
ourselves
from
the
policies
that
the
state
may
adopt,
which
drive
up
costs
outside
of
our
control?
So
if
we
are
able
to
nail
down
a
percentage,
I'm
more
comfortable
like
if
we're
taking
that
step
today
and
in
the
absence
of
these
boys,
we
wouldn't
be
having
this
conversation,
but
if
we
are
to
lock
in
a
percentage
today,
is
there
something
in
the
report
or
some
notional
figure
that
we
can
say
it's
a
percentage
of
this
amount
at
this
moment?
Why.
B
Are
you
too
early
for
this
earliest
stages
of
planning?
So
we
don't
have
a
anything
like
a
cost
for
this
at
the
moment
we
won't
have
for
some
time,
but
remember,
council
of
also
we're
not
the
only
funding
partner.
So
it
is
in
the
australian
government's
interest
also
to
drive
efficiencies
in
the
project,
as
they
contribute
much.
D
A
D
A
D
So
it's
not
my
suggestion
that
we
deal
with
the
percentage
today,
but
I
really
wanted
it
with
the
suggestion
that
we
look
at
signaling
a
percentage.
In
my
view,
it
needs
to
be
a
percentage,
that's
based
on
a
reasonable
cost
of
construction,
not
one
that
can
be
inflated
and
to
the
director's
point
again,
I'm
not
close
to
the
negotiations.
I'm
I'm
effectively
a
lay
person
in
this
respect,
but
when
the
media
began
reporting
on
this
potential
cost
blowout
the
day
after
the
federal
government
came
to
the
party
with
extra
funding.
D
F
So
to
me,
it's
the
development
of
the
percentage
during
the
options
analysis
you
know
so
with,
and
you
know
you've
got
without
the
politics
of
the
different
levels
of
government.
It's
about
just
making
it
clear
that
that's
our
level!
You
know
when
we
develop
the
analysis,
that's
our
level!
So
don't
come,
asking
us
for
a
significant,
more
and
we'll
deal
with
procurement.
B
And
that
always
has
been
our
strategy
in
terms
of
discussion
with
the
state.
Is
we've
historically
set
this
level?
We
don't
intend
to
be
providing
any
more
than
that
level.
There
isn't
a
compelling
argument
why
we
would
do
that
happy
to
have
it
formalized.
However,
absolutely
if
that's
what
you
would
I.
F
C
G
Chair
I'll
make
an
observation.
Given
that
there's
been
some
discussion
about
funding
and
in
my
opinion
this
is
way
beyond
lgb
and
likewise
the
motorway
or
the
second
m1
are
beyond
elgip
and
we
require-
and
we
rely
upon
state
and
federal
funding
for
these
things
and
we've
obviously
benefited
enormously
through
the
existing
stage
of
the
light
rail
from
the
state
government
and
federal
government
contributions.
G
So
I
think
our
focus
with
lg
should
be
in
the
delivery
of
fantastic
public
domain,
getting
people
to
the
light
rail
stations
so
that
these
places
are
comfortable
walkability.
You
know
all
of
that
sort
of
stuff.
That
should
be
our
focus
and
I
hope
it
will
be
because
that
can
be
funded
through
lgb
and
is
a
reasonable
contribution
that
can
be
made
to
the
whole
the
public
outcome.
Yeah.
G
I
have
a
question
about
slide
number
nine,
which
is
the
results
of
some
consultation
undertaken
last
year
and
on
the
basis
of
it,
68
overall
seems
like
a
pretty
strong
level
of
public
support,
but
if
you
break
it
down
and
look
at
the
business
support,
there's
actually
34
of
businesses
quite
strongly
against
or
not
not
in
support
of
the
ambition.
G
C
G
E
C
C
G
B
G
Padme,
so
while
I've
got
this
opportunity
to
air
a
position,
I
would
like
to
articulate
that
I
feel
that's
a
very
strong
component
that
we
should
be
seeking
and
that
would
garner
a
lot
of
public
support
for
the
entire
project
and
and
is
going
to
give
the
whole
project
great
status
and
credibility.
H
H
Okay,
so
so
I
can
make
some
comments
in
regards
to
item
seven.
H
Committee,
I'd
just
like
to
say
that
I
met
with
the
main
roads
offices,
together
with
councillor
o'neill
and
mr
tilly
on
the
4th
of
may,
and
I
must
say
that
we
had
made
a
number
of
attempts
to
get
a
meeting
and
at
that
meeting
I
was
very
disappointed.
H
H
The
consultation
concerned
me
I
we
were
told
that
the
consultation
will
probably
start
taking
place
by
the
end
after
the
end
of
june,
when
it'll
be
all
wrapped
up.
That's
what
we
were
told
and
when
I
asked
what
the
consultation
was
going
to
be
about.
H
So
with
what
councillor
vorster
mentioned
about
the
impact
of
easing
congestion
really
has
to
be
very
closely
looked
at
because
we'll
end
up
with
three
highways
through
palm
beach,
one
down
the
gold
coast
highway,
one
down,
townsend
avenue,
excuse
me
and
one
down
malawa
drive.
H
I
asked
about
deep
planting
because
we
had
been
told
previously
that
there'd
be
no
deep
planting
to
solve
the
traffic
issue.
The
suggestion
was
made
to
make
the
surrounding
streets
into
the
gold
coast
highway,
one
way
with
angle
parking,
so
what
we'll
have
is
streets
heading
or
attaching
to
the
gold
coast
highway
being
made
one
way
with
engel
parking
down
those
streets.
H
H
I
asked:
were
there
any
others?
They
didn't
really
know
they.
They
said
that
there
could
be
possibly
one
in
the
middle
of
palm
beach,
and
I
think
that
it's
interesting
that
he
here
they're
looking
at
going
out
for
public
consultation
in
july,
and
yet
they
haven't
even
got
all
the
information
together
to
go
out
for
the
community
consultation.
A
Just
to
address
that
one
council
mcdonald,
I
know
with
that
that
that
comes
within
the
detailed
case
study.
So
I
having
traveled
this
journey
for
the
last
five
years
with
stage
three.
That
was
a
question
that
I
raised
early
in
it,
but
that
didn't
come
in
until
the
detailed
case
study
and
still
they
do
all
their
peer
holding
and
to
and
see
where
the
services
and
that
are
as
to
whether
those
where
those
stations
can
be
allocated.
A
So
I
think
we're
so
early
in
that
stage
that
that
would
be
a
very
hard
thing
to
be
able
to
to
indicate
to
us
because
the
ones
for
light
rail
stage
3
have
really
only
been
locked
in
in
the
last
six
to
12
months.
So
I've
been
dealing
with
three
a
four
or
three
for
five
years
and
that's
only
become
apparent
in
the
last
six
months
when
the
d
case
studies
were
actually
formalized
and
put
out
for
the
tender
process.
So
I
think
at
this
stage
it
is
a
bit
early
for
that.
H
Okay,
well
the
stations
that
and
again
this
is
from
the
residents
that
I've
received
this
information.
Jerugal
28th
avenue,
17th,
avenue,
11th
avenue
palm
beach
avenue
that's
on
the
little
planet
at
the
front
there
and
the
pirate
park.
So
that's
some
six.
I
also
understand
that
the
hill
at
at
kwala
park
they're
going
to
reduce
the
height
of
the
hill
through
there.
H
They've
got
to
work
that
out
yet
so
there's
a
whole
lot
of
issues
and
with
the
light
rail
going
down
the
highway
at
palm
beach,
it's
certainly
not
going
to
any
impact
on
those
residents
that
are
on
the
highway
because
of
the
letters
that
they
have
received
about
the
category
c,
but
it'll
impact
all
the
surrounding
streets
and
add
extra
pressure
on
all
those
residential
streets
through
the
area.
H
The
consultation,
if
it
gets
to
that
degree
is
going
to
be
very
important,
because
I
feel
that
what
we've
been
told
before
and
what
we've
seen
before
about
their
landscaping,
the
streetscaping.
Now
we've
got
a
few
years
on
it.
It
leaves
a
lot
to
be
desired.
It's
not
a
really
good,
look
and
and
the
choice
and
to
tell
us
that
the
choice
of
whether
you
have
car
parking
or
streetscaping
that's
a
big
issue,
especially
along
the
gold
coast
highway.
H
So
there's
a
number
of
properties
that
there's
249
properties
that
I
understand
are
being
impacted.
So
there's
a
big
job
to
do,
and
we've
got
to
be
very,
very
careful
because
I
know,
and
as
we
know
it,
it's
a
state
project.
It's
not
a
council
project
and
and
certainly
councils
being
questioned
a
lot
and
I'm
being
questioned
a
lot
on
the
impacts
of
the
light
rail.
H
Not
only
the
gold
coast
high
bay
way,
but
the
surrounding
streets
and
and
especially
if
the
state
government
do
decide
to
make
some
of
our
residential
streets
one
way
with
engel
parking,
that's
just
going
to
destroy
a
whole
suburb.
H
So
thanks
very
much
now.
I
would
hope
that
councillors
can
keep
this
in
mind
when
they're
making
their
decision,
because
it
is
going
to
have
a
major
impact.
I
understand
that
the
the
the
bridge,
the
green
bridge,
I
think
they
were
looking
at
60
meters
wide.
The
question
was
asked
because
they
were,
they
did
make
it
public
that
it
was
going
to
be
both
pedestrian
and
animal,
but
I
think
that
they've
cut
the
pedestrian
side
out
of
it
at
the
present.
H
So
so
anyhow,
madam
chair,
we
we
have
grave
concerns
down
there
with
the
actual
route
of
the
light
rail
and
the
impact
that
it's
going
to
have
on
a
community
the
impact
by
reducing
the
highway
from
four
lanes
to
two
in
a
number
of
places.
H
Even
now,
at
times
I
can
leave
my
office
and
it
takes
me
a
half
now
to
get
to
burly
heads
and
certainly
with
the
upgrade
of
the
m1
there'll,
be
more
traffic
coming
down,
19th
avenue
and
and
mr
director,
as
you
know,
there's
issues
in
palm
beach
with
traffic
at
the
present
there
is
a
traffic
study
being
done
so
so
it'll
be
interesting
to
see
what
the
the
results
of
those
are.
Thank
you.
A
Thanks,
council
mcdonald,
it
is
very
important
to
hear
all
sides
of
the
story.
I
just
actually
think
we
just
got
to
be
careful
that
we
don't
say
we're
going
to
destroy
a
suburb,
because
a
lot
of
people
have
actually
come
to
my
office
as
well
to
say,
whilst
it
may
not
be
the
outcome,
we're
looking
for
at
the
moment,
or
it
might
be
in
a
direction
that
we're
not
looking
at
we're
tired
of
it.
A
People
saying
it's
going
to
destroy
our
suburb,
because
a
lot
of
us
are
living
in
palm
beach
by
choice,
and
we
don't
want
the
rhetoric
out
in
the
media.
To
always
be
our
suburb
is
being
destroyed.
When
there's
we
are
of
a
beautiful
suburb
that
we
have
a
lot
of
people
living
in
and
more
and
more
people
choosing
to
come
there
if
it's
going
to
change
how
our
suburb
works,
or
it's
going
to
be
a
mode
share,
or
something
like
that.
A
But
there's
a
lot
of
people
now
expressing
concern
that
the
continual
repeating
of
destroying
our
suburb
will
once
again
affect
how
palm
beach
is
seen
by
other
residents
within
the
city
as
well.
So
I
think
we
just
got
to
be
careful
with
how
we
actually
frame
that
as
well
so
I'll
go
to
councillor
paterson
next
and
then
I'll
go
to
council
of
worcester.
I
Thank
you
chair
two
things.
First,
is
a
comment
in
support
of
what
council
of
worcester
said
this
change
recommendation.
I
I
don't
see
how
it
provides
us
any
value,
any
upside,
and
I
see
that
it
potentially
provides
us
some
downside
risk,
because
it
sounds
like
from
the
council
from
the
director
and
the
officers.
I
This
is
where
we're
at
already.
If
there's
a
fifth
partner,
if
that
procurement
policy
stuff
does
really
impact,
we
don't
want
to
be
consistent
on
our
percentage.
We'd
want
our
percentage
to
to
reduce,
so
I
I
just
don't
see
any
upside
in
including
that
that's
kind
of
where
you're
at
already
anyway,
and
it
gives
us
a
lot
more
kind
of
leverage
on
negotiating
power
potentially
later.
If
we
don't
add
that
the
second
thing
I
wanted
to
discuss
was
regarding
the
stations
so
with
my
experience
now
with
southport
station
and
rang
street.
I
Speaking
with
the
city
plan,
designers
and
urban
planners,
it
appears
there's
a
consensus
that
what
drove
the
design
of
those
stations
was,
the
compliance
team
rather
than
a
city
place,
making
team.
I
was
in
melbourne
last
weekend
the
difference
in
what
stations
look
like
in
terms
of
our
quite
compliance-focused
stations
has
a
real
impact
and
I
think,
may
very
well
be
you
don't
have
the
data
on
what
leads
to
these
business
cases,
but
I
can
assure
you
that
would
be
one
of
the
issues
for
businesses
in
southport.
I
We
are
now
trying
and
city
plan
designers
in
in
council
are
trying
to
see
if
there's
any
way,
to
negotiate
with
the
state
government
on
the
current
design
of
the
southport
light
rail
station,
because
it
is
so
restrictive
to
it's
so
restrictive
to
the
businesses
and
they
would
say,
overly
compliant
like
an
over
focus
on
compliance
and
safety,
which
just
means
that
people
on
the
station
are
completely
closed
off
from
small
businesses.
I
So
I
think,
if
there's
anything
that
any
way
that
we
can
engage
and
say,
listen,
we
we
know
you've
got
your
compliance
issues
with
stations.
We
know
you
need
to
tick
boxes,
but
can
we
please
look
to
the
best
options
in
other
cities
around
the
world?
How
have
they
done
this?
How
they
managed
to
make
stations
which
really
connect
and
engage
with
small
businesses
and
the
surrounding
place
and
just
don't
feel
like
a
closed-off
box,
because
we
now
have
that
problem
in
narang
street
and
it
it's.
I
D
D
No
you've
never
been
no
or
was
it
portland
for
you
yeah
right?
Well,
I
don't
think
any
of
us
are
going
to
be
traveling
very
soon,
okay.
Well,
in
any
case,
I
had
a
look
at
vancouver,
which
I
know
to
be
you
know,
yeah,
okay,
expensive
city,
to
live
in,
but
it's
got
some
attributes
that
kind
of
align
with
ours,
sorry,
counselor
and
jones.
D
The
funding
mix
looked
as
follows.
So
the
government
of
canada
so
nationally
their
federal
government
contributed
450
million
the
government
of
british
columbia,
which
would
be
the
equivalent
of
their
state
government.
I
suppose
435
million
to
the
project,
the
city
of
vancouver,
which
is
us
29
million,
but
their
airport
300
million.
Now,
of
course,
in
that
case,
we're
talking
about
an
airport
to
a
city
centre
and
that
infrastructure
benefits
the
airport
much
more
to
greater
proportion
than
the
airport's
inclusion
in
our
broader
light
rail
network.
D
Does
I'm
not
suggesting
that
you
know
gold
coast
airport
kicking
an
equivalent
percentage,
but
I
just
wanted
to
show
that
it's
not
without
precedent
that
a
privately
owned
airport
would
make
a
financial
contribution
to
an
infrastructure
project
that
benefits
them.
So
I
know
it's
in
their
master
plan
cool
happy
days,
I'd
love
to
see
it
go
through
the
airport
itself.
I
couldn't
think
of
anything
better
from
a
tourism
experience
than
coming
out
of
the
you
know,
picking
up
your
bag
and
stepping
onto
a
platform
and
getting
straight
to
your
accommodation
right.
D
That
would
be
phenomenal,
just
like
air
bridges
if
we
ever
get
them.
We
need
to
do
this,
but
this
is
an
established
funding
model
internationally
and
if
the
airport
can
find
their
way
to
make
a
contribution
without
bleeding
them
dry.
D
J
Forward
understand
that
some
areas
are
tighter,
so
for
me,
when
I
look
at
light,
rail
you've
got
broad
beaches
open
and
expansive.
It's
it's
quite,
I
wouldn't
say
attractive,
but
it's
a
lot
more
cosmetically
looking,
but
the
challenge
we
have
is
again
the
light
rail
station
itself
in
the
middle
of
surface
and
the
flexibility
in
that
space.
J
It
really
does
affect
businesses
in
the
area
cosmetically.
It
doesn't
look
good
and
I
just
think
it's
an
area
that
we
could
really
focus
on.
The
challenge
right
now
is
to
make
improvements
in
surface
paradise,
and
I'm
hearing
in
southport
in
those
particular
spaces
and
it'd
be
really
good.
If
we
could
find
ways
to
really
improve
that
space
to
re-support
support
our
area,
place-making
areas
in
those
major
areas.
A
And
I
think,
and
just
to
to
come
back
to
that
too,
and
I
think
this
is
it's
always
a
big
challenge
when
you're
retrofitting
something
by
putting
something
into
a
very
well
established
area
that
you
know,
we've
we're
having
to
to
take
back
back
parts
of
it.
A
We've
a
lot
of
learnings
from
stage
one
stage:
two,
not
so
many
learnings,
because
not
going
through
very
dense
areas,
but
we
hope
that
those
learnings
and
for
what
you're
contributing
now
will
be
something
that
will
be
able
to
benefit
the
the
light
rail
going
forward.
So
on
that,
I
think
it
was
one
more
question.
Peter.
B
Madam
chair
I'll
just
make
the
comment:
counselors
will
pass
on
your
feedback
all
that
you've
raised
today
to
the
state's
project
team.
You
know,
we've
canvassed
a
wide
variety
of
things.
They
certainly
need
to
do
better.
Council
mcdonald,
particularly
in
terms
of
the
consultation
and
the
regular
briefings.
B
It
is
absolutely
our
perspective
as
council
officers
that
we
want
to
protect
as
much
as
we
can
the
amenity
of
the
areas
and
residential
amenities.
So
you
know
we
go
into
bat
with
with
that
clearly
in
mind,
a
very
good
piece
of
feedback
around
the
station
design
and
it's
something
I've
thought
of
myself
when
we
go
to
melbourne
so
sure
we've
all
been
there.
Some
of
us
spent
a
lot
of
time
there
and
it's
quite
an
easy,
as
you
say
it
knits
into
the
surrounding
environment.
A
lot
a
lot
easier.
G
Very
quickly,
so
that
issue
of
public
safety,
I
think,
is
a
really
strong
issue
for
us
to
be
contemplating
in
stage
four,
because
that's
been
something
that
mars.
The
the
success
of
light
rail,
which
I
think
is
a
great
mode
of
transport
and
we
should
be
encouraging
it.
But
if
you've
got
public
safety
issues
occurring
at
stations
and
on
the
trains,
that's
going
to
continue
to
erode
public
confidence
and
you
and
and
use
of
it.
A
With
is
the
public
safety
around
the
the
the
stop
the
stations
and
how
the
cctv
and
all
of
those
projects
are
going
to
benefit.
B
G
H
Madame
chair
the
other
issue
that
I'd
like
officers
to
really
look
at
because
249
properties
are
impacted
and
with
the
widening
of
the
road
way
down
there,
I'd
like
also
for
officers
to
look
very
closely
at
access
for
those
properties
onto
the
gold
coast
highway,
because
what
I've
seen
in
some
of
the
information
that's
been
given
to
residents
to
access
from
those
properties
onto
the
highway.
It's
going
to
be
very,
very
difficult.
F
F
So
it
sets
the
tone
and
rather
than
be
concerned
about
a
fraction
of
the
cost
overrun
we're
actually
concerned
about
the
first
fraction
and
what
we
don't
need
is
a
future
state
government
to
determine
to
ask
what
they
believe
our
percentage
is
going
to
be,
which
is
going
to
be
far
more
expensive,
a
transaction
than
worrying
about
a
procurement
overrun.
So
because
that's
this
to
me
is
about
how
do
we
set
the
scene
for
the
percentages
when
we
are
doing
the
options?
F
B
Councils-
I
guess
it's
a
it's
a
matter
for
you.
What
we
have
in
front
of
this
is
consistent
with
the
current
approach
that
we
have
adopted.
I
don't
think
it
necessarily
precludes.
Should
other
funding
partners
come
on
board,
a
renegotiation
of
that,
so
we
would
have
to
take
that
on
its
merits
and
as
you
say,
it
isn't
us
in
the
van
vanguard
of
negotiating
that
with
other
partners,
whether
they
be
the
airport
or
anyone
else.
B
If
things
change,
then
that
in
itself
is
good
reason
to
come
back
to
council
to
say
we
might
review
what
that
percentage
actually
is,
but
we
would
need
something
tangible
in
front
of
us
to
make
that
call
what
this
does
do
is
it
does
send
a
message
that
don't
come
to
us
looking
for
25
percent
or
something
like
that.
F
Yeah
and
and
I'm
assuming,
that
a
future
report
will
flesh
out
where
we
may
be
in
regards
to
those
negotiations,
because,
to
my
mind,
it's
all
the
things
that
are
going
to
get
added
in
so
we've
we've
said
today
that
we
have
cons
genuine
concerns
regarding
road
network
and
the
impacts
on
road
network,
predominantly
roads
controlled
by
the
city
of
gold
coast.
F
We
want
to
make
sure
that
it
connects
in
regards
to
active
travel
and,
and
it
is,
it
actually
integrates
with
the
community
that
it
is
servicing,
and
that
includes
the
public
safety
comments
that
councillor
peter
young
mentioned
and
clearly
there
is
a
challenge
getting
up
and
over
the
hill
at
burley.
F
If
a
further
cut
is
required,
you
know
that's
not
like
I
mean
the
existing
road
is
a
cutting
in
itself,
so
I
don't
predominantly
have
a
problem
in
in
there
being
some
change
to
gradient
there,
because
clearly
in
1935,
when
the
first
cut
went
in,
there
was
a
significant
changed
gradient
as
well,
so
but
the
the
movement
of
or
the
terrestrial
movement
of
animals
that
links
the
ridge
to
the
headland
critical.
You
know.
So
all
of
those
things
need
to
be
brought
back
in
the
report
and
not
value
engineered
out.
A
E
Okay,
thank
you.
I
I
really
wanted
to
ask
a
question
of
elton
through
you.
B
Through
you,
madam
chair,
not
entirely
so
the
supporting
immediate
footpaths,
which
lead
up
to
the
stations
and
are
alongside
the
corridor,
have
always
been
in
stages,
one
and
two
our
responsibility.
There
is,
however,
a
separate
component
for
for
active
transport
around
bikeways,
which
I'm
recalling
in
one
or
two,
but
that
was
separately.
It
was
because
there
was
the
the
the
green
bridge
parallel
to
the
sundown
bridge,
which
the
state
delivered
in
stage
three.
B
They
also
are
delivering
that
component
of
active
transport
separately
for
a
for
a
pathway
parallel
to
the
corridor,
but
the.
E
Was
there
a
conversation
about
improved
bike
ways
that
council
became
responsible
for.
B
Through
you,
madam
chair,
no,
we
we
have.
We
have
not
wanted
that
responsibility.
We
understand
it's
part
of
the
the
project
scope,
but
we
have
stepped
away
from
delivering
that
part
of
the
project
ourselves.
E
And
and
the
state
has
accepted
that
okay?
Well,
that's
good
news.
I
just
was
a
bit
foggy
in
my
memory
and
I
guess
my
fear
is
that
putting
two
in
might
encourage
the
state
to
find
other
things
that
we
should
fund
rather
than
working
through
the
negotiation
as
it
proceeds,
but
because
it
might
be
quite
different,
depending
on
the
funding
partners.
H
Them
change.
Yes,
may
I
speak
my
go
comment
on
that
place
just
to
answer
that
under
the
plan
that
the
department
have
in
place
is
that
there's
an
ocean
way
down
through
palm
beach,
but
palm
beach
is
different
to
other
areas
where
a
lot
of
those
properties
actually
go
out
onto
the
beach
and
the
boulder
wall
goes
through
the
or
the
airline
goes
through
those
properties
for
so
for
an
ocean
way
to
be
constructed.
H
They'd
either
have
to
resume
land
build
a
new
boulder
wall
or
the
ocean
way
would
be
sacrificial.
I
heard
that
they
would
build
the
ocean
way
and
then
hand
it
over
to
council.
H
So,
but
whether
or
not
I
don't
know
how
correct
that
is,
but
that's
what
I
was
told
and-
and
I
think
that's
a
a
real
risk
for
council-
if
that's
going
to
happen,
because,
whichever
way
they
go,
where
they
resume
land,
whether
they
build
a
new
bold
wall
or
whether
it's
sacrificial
it's
going
to
be
a
very,
very
costly
project.
B
So
there
is
a
whole
lot
of
information
from
a
whole
lot
of
sources,
some
of
them
from
the
department
we
we
know
about,
there's
a
lot
of
conduct,
conjecture,
conjecture,
sorry
as
there
was
these
conversations
remind
me
of
the
discussions
which
were
around
stage
one
where
there
was
a
whole
lot
of
rhetoric
from
many
different
sources
around
how
the
light
rail
project
was
going
to
disaffect
the
community
in
which
it
ran.
B
There
is
a
planning
study
going
ahead
with
some
consultation
that
we've
been
told,
so
there
will
be
the
opportunity
for
community
members
to
have
a
dialogue
with
departmental
officers
on
many
aspects
of
this
project.
Before
we
get
to
a
point
where
we
start
to
understand
things
like
if
there's
going
to
be
ocean
waves
or
all
that
sort
of
thing.
H
Madam
chair,
just
in
answer
to
that
that
was
in
their
original
information
that
they
put
out
to
the
community
that
they
were
having
an
ocean
way,
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
the
councillors
aware
that
that's
what
the
state
government
have
put
forward
as
a
proposal
and
to
be
aware
of
that
and
and
at
the
cost
in
and
also
you
know,
if
they're
going
out
for
consultation
in
july,
surely
their
needs.
How
can
you
go
out
to
consultation
when
a
lot
of
these
things
haven't
been
decided?
H
It's
very,
very
difficult.
You
know
to
ask
the
community
to
consult
and
say
look.
This
is
what
we're
going
to
do
when
they
really
don't
know
what
they're
going
to
do
themselves
or
do
they
know
and
they're
not
telling
us,
because
it
seems
to
be
that
there's
from
what
I've
been
told
by
residents
and
from
what
all
the
piecemeal
information
that's
been
given
out
there,
there
seems
to
be
a
lot
of
plans
done
that
I
haven't
seen.
I
don't
know
if
the
officers
have
seen
that
one.
A
Councillor
mcdonald,
too,
the
consultation
is
on
the
corridor
and
the
support
of
information
that
came
through
with
3a
was
exactly
the
concentration
was
based
on
the
corridor
and
if
we
can,
the
city
can
benefit
from
from
infrastructure
that
connects
into
that
going
forward.
That
becomes
a
later
part
of
in
the
detailed
case.
Study
of
the
of
the
whole
project,
but
the
actual
original
consultation
is,
is
with
my
understanding
with
the
state
and
having
looked
back
at
the
stage.
A
So
it's
it's
not
it's,
as
the
director
said
very
early
stages,
but
some
of
those
suggestions
that
came
through
during
3a
were,
I
guess,
removed
from
or
valid
engineered
into
it.
So
again,
it
will
come
back
to
the
original
consultation
is
to
do
with
the
corridor
and
not
the
all
the
projects
that
could
possibly
feed
into
it.
So
go
to
your
council
for
stuff.
D
D
So
if
we
can
so
what
is
yes,
you
can
keep
four
and
five,
but
rename
them
re-number
them
to
one
and
two.
Please
sandy.
D
And
you
can
copy
that
a
further
report
be
brought
back,
and
that
is
two
great
and
then
a
three
that
reads:
that
council
restate
that
it
remain
a
minority
funding
partner
and
that
any
funding
contribution
will
be
up
to
the
percentage
of
earlier
stages
and
a
four
that
reads.
That
council
indicate
to
the
department
capital
d
that
its
early
priorities.
D
Yeah
so
capital
c
capital,
p,
capital,
t
e
d
standards
next,
one
environmentally
sensitive
interfacing
to
natural
areas
and
habitats.
E
D
Love
it
and,
lastly,
connection
through
the
coolangatta.
D
Cbd
and
it's
foreshadowed,
so
I
can't
talk
to
it,
but
anyway,
a
connection
through
the
coolangatta.
D
D
D
Revisit
the
the
words
of
three,
when
you
get
a
chance.
D
D
D
D
A
minority
funding
partner
and
that
any
funding
contribution,
oh
sorry,
and
that
so
funding
partner
and
that
any
funding
contribution
will
be
up
to
the
percentage
of
earlier
stages.
Four
that
council
indicate
to
the
department
that
its
early
priorities
include,
and
then
that
should
be
a
through
whatever
it
is.
D
D
D
And
so
we've
got
the
department,
the
department
of
transport
and
main.
D
D
And
counselor
mcdonald's
suggestion
is
that
we
remove
nearby
in
number
four
so
just
says:
protecting
amenity
in
local
streets
great.
So
anyway,
it's
foreshadowed.
A
E
D
Thanks,
madam
chair,
so
long
as
the
the
minutes
accurately
reflected,
the
motion
was
withdrawn.
Yes,.
F
F
A
A
Okay,
so
that
was
withdrawn,
yep
and
now
we've
got
a
mover
and
a
seconder
for
the
motion
in
front
of
us
and
I'll
go
to
counsellor
and
then
we'll
vote
on
it.
Thank
you.
D
D
1,
2
and
3a
have
always
been
tortuous
and
fraught
processes.
It's
never
been
easy,
but
in
the
end
it's
ultimately
been
worth
it.
I
think,
in
supporting
the
progression
of
stage
four
in
the
way
that
we
propose
to
do
at
this
early
stage.
What
the
committee
and
potentially
the
council
merely
want
to
do
is
to
highlight
some
of
our
saw
points
and
some
of
our
learnings.
D
So
that,
as
the
state
government
leads
this
process
that
we
help
mitigate
some
of
the
unnecessary
and
avoidable
costs
of
delivering
this
infrastructure,
this
does
not
set
a
direction
to
the
state
government.
Ultimately,
it's
their
project,
but
what
it
does.
A
very
early
stage
is
empower
our
highly
respected
great
city
officers
to
articulate
some
of
our
priorities
to
their
counterpoints
in
the
department.
D
Well,
let's
learn
that
lesson
and
let's
take
a
punt
on
that
and
stage
freebie
may
or
stage
three,
a
maybe
as
late
as
stage
four
but
certainly
stages.
Five
and
six
may
benefit
from
this
decision
and,
lastly,
public
transport
has
to
feel
safe
for
people
to
use
it
and
it
has
to
feel
safe
after
hours
and
has
to
feel
safe
in
the
early
morning
when
people
are
commuting
to
and
from
work
and
school.
D
Personally,
I'm
not
satisfied
that
the
state
has
got
that
right.
They
may
have
it
in
terms
of
the
infrastructure
being
the
cctv,
but
they
also
need
boots
on
the
ground
and
in
the
absence
of
a
public
transport
marshal
service,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
they're
adhering
to
the
highest
possible
crime
prevention
through
environmental
design
standards.
A
D
D
E
A
H
Thanks,
madam
chair,
I
I
think
that,
with
stage
four,
it's
certainly
different
to
other
stages.
We've
got
a
very
narrow
corridor
that
has
to
be
worked
within,
and
I
know
madam
chair
mentioned
that
the
public
consultation
was
only
going
to
be
about
the
the
actual
corridor,
but
in
this
instance
in
palm
beach,
it's
not
only
the
corridor,
but
it's
the
impacts
on
the
surrounding
streets
simply
because
they
are
reducing
the
highway
from
four
lanes
to
to
two
and
through
palm
beach.
H
You
have
roads
that
such
as
townsend
avenue,
malawa
drive
that
go
north
south
and
going
heading
north.
All
of
those
roads
end
up
in
talabadro
drive
we're
seeing
increased
traffic
in
those
streets
at
the
present
time
and
they
all
end
up
coming
out
onto
gold
coast
highway
at
in
talabadro
drive.
So
thank
you,
councillor,
vorster,
for
adding
some
of
those
issues.
I
know
that
the
state
government
have
been
selling
this
particular
route
as
a
boulevard.
H
When
I
ask
people
what
their
interpretation
of
a
boulevard
is,
it's
usually
tree-lined
streets,
the
interpretation
of
main
roads
is
a
bit
different
to
that,
and
I'd
certainly
hope
that,
in
their
consultation
that
they
do
consider
the
surrounding
streets
of
palm
beach
and
the
impacts
that
what
they
have
planned
are
going
to
do
and,
like
we
have
said
before,
public
transport
in
a
growing
city
is
a
necessity,
but
do
not
destroy
suburbs.
In
doing
so.
Thank
you.
Madame
chie.
A
A
That's
cap
against
not
voting
counsellors.
Oh
you're,
not
on
the
committee.
Apologies
all
those
in
favor!
Sorry,
let's
go
again
and
against
no
that's
carried
sandy.
Thank
you
for
that
unanimously
councillors.
We've
got
two
more
items
here.
Both
are
in
closed
session,
with
the
the
reason
being
the
local
government's
budget
for
coming
forward.
So
if
I
could
have
someone
to
move
us
into
closed
move
to
councillor
vorster
seconded
councillor
taylor,
all
those
in
favour-
that's
carried.