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Description
Ricardo Amaro, Randy Fay, Mattias Michaux, Michael Schmid, Engin Yilmaz, Mark Casias, Alejandro Moreno-Lopez
It seems everyone has their own favorite local development tool these days. From Lando to DDEV to custom solutions, developers have strong opinions of which tools rank supreme. In this session, creators and users of different local development tools will provide their story of why they made the choices they made. We welcome a healthy debate and discussion is the main driver here so any questions or concerns regarding the subject are welcome.
B
A
A
Casillas
Alejandro,
unfortunately,
is
sick
today,
but
he
has
to
apologize
and
tuck
himself.
Then
we
have
hanging
hanging
and
then
we
have
Matias
and
Michael
Schmidt.
So
for
the
people
that
were
just
came
here
now
we
have
a
hash
tag
on
Twitter,
so
you
can
actually
make
questions
by
the
middle
of
this
session.
We
will
have
Q&A,
so
your
questions
are
some
questions
from
there.
Of
course,
eventually
not
all
questions
will
be
able
to
remain
to
be
answered,
but
we
will
have
the
time
to
go
for
them.
So.
B
E
E
E
You
know
tweaking
a
button
right
thing,
but
the
reality
of
managing
your
own
environment
instead
of
using
one
of
these
tools,
is
that
you're
gonna
spend
your
life
either.
Fixing
your
environment
or
fixing
that
your
your
dev
over
there
fixing
forever
right.
Our
discipline,
you're
gonna
you're
gonna
have
that
problem
for
the
rest
of
your
life
and
your
team
is
going
to
spend
more
time
working
on
your
environment,
then
they're
going
to
spend
working
on
what
you're
supposed
to
be
working
on
and.
D
D
E
People
working
on
the
development
they're
supposed
to
be
working
on
and
not
working
on
their
hiring
that
make
sense.
It's
really
important
that
we
start
there
and
it's
really
important
to
recognize
that
all
these
tools
are
aiming
to
solve
that
one
problem
and
they
all
do
it.
You
know
everybody's
got
to
get
their
own
strengths
and
that
kind
of
thing,
but
it's
super
important
and
I,
think
all
of
those
goals
are
docker
base.
Is
that
true
tell
me
everybody's
everybody's
doctor
base?
E
So
if
you're
not
familiar
with
doctor,
it's
a
way
of
basically
running
little
Linux
machines
on
your
computer
and
each
of
these
tools
wraps
docker
in
a
slightly
different
way,
so
that
you
can
have
a
predictable
environment.
As
you
probably
know,
almost
all
server
environments
are
Linux
and
almost
all
of
them
are
running
Apache
or
nginx
and
PHP
fpm.
So
in
the
world
of
these
tools,
you're
running
in
a
predictable
container,
that
is
like
your
deployment
environment,
which
is
another
big
winner.
It's
much
closer
to
your
deployment
environment.
It's
a
good
thing,
there's
nothing
wrong!
E
E
Thanks
for
doing
that,
dido
is
a
docker
compose
wrapper
that
is
wrapped
and
go
language
and
it
works
the
same
on
Windows
or
Mac
or
Linux
works
exactly
the
same.
The
the
amazing
thing
about
go
as
a
language
is
that
you
could
compile
into
a
fat
binary
that
just
has
everything
in
it.
It's
astonishing,
so
we
just
built
all
three
binaries
for
Linux
and
Mac
and
Windows
all
at
the
same
time,
and
we
have
none
of
those
problems
that
you
typically
have
of
what
to
support
it
with
they
just
run
on
each
on
each
container.
E
So
heat
up,
local
is
I.
Think
it's
really
easy
and
you're
easy
to
learn
easy
to
get
that
first
startup
ramp.
It
is
a
command
line
tool
and
we
don't
have
a
supportive
GUI
for
it.
We
wish
we
did,
but
you
know
you
can
only
do
so
many
things
but
need
of
local
as
a
command-line
tool,
but
you,
if
you
never
tried
it
I
hope,
they'll,
try
it.
You
can
install
it
your
roof
you're
on
the
Mac
or
on
Linux.
E
There's
a
nice
Windows
installer
you
can,
you
can
install
it
either
with
chocolaty
or
just
download
the
Windows
installer
from
the
github
releases
page
and
it's
a
command
line.
You
can
go
into
a
directory,
just
make
very
jump,
deduct.
Config
and
D
dev
start
and
put
it
into
Excel
PHP
in
there
and
index
dot,
HTML
and
start
it
it'll
give
you
a
link,
you
click
it
and
there
you
are
you're
on
it,
so
that
it's
a
pretty
straightforward,
startup
environment.
Most
people
don't
have
much
trouble.
E
We
have
excellent
community
support,
an
amazing
community
and
the
Drupal
slack
and
the
beat
up
Channel
lots
of
help.
There
lots
of
people
the
whole
community
and
were
there
support,
is
a
very
high
priority
base.
We
spend,
we
really
want
it
to
work
from
you
and
we
learn
from
you
and
we
want
to
help.
You
also
learn
from
everything
that
you
run
into.
There's
always
things
right,
a
normal
project
start
up.
If
you've
already
pulled
the
continues
is
about
twenty
seconds
and
on
most
environments
you
can
run
all
kinds
of
different
things.
E
We
we
have
explicit
support
for
typo3
and
every
variant
of
Drupal
and
backdrop
and
everything
else
I've
got
a
different
config
for
each.
We
are,
we
have
as
many
you
know
like
Doxil
and
Lando
have
great
documentation
about
how
to
do
the
most
amazingly
complex
services,
really
excellent
lots
of
good
stuff
I'm,
not
everything
else,
but
some
great
documentation.
So
we
have
a
whole.
We
have
documentation
for
a
number
of
services
and
almost
every
problem
that
everybody's
tried
to
solve
they've
been
able
to
figure
out
how
to
solve
it,
and
so
we
have.
E
E
E
C
D
C
So
think
about
Lando
think
about
to
Randy's
point
is
that
it's
as
a
somebody
who
works
in
the
NA
agency.
You're
constantly
have
different
configurations
of
where
you're
going
to
deliver
your
product
and
the
whole
phrase
it
works
on.
My
machine
does
not
work
well
in
a
agency
life.
So
the
thing
about
these
you.
D
D
C
The
reason
I
got
involved
with
Lando
I've,
been
using
it
out
of
the
box
again
to
Randy's
point.
No
one
wants
to
Canora.
I
am
NOT
one
of
those
people
that
will
want
to
configure
my
machine
and
reconfigure.
My
machine
I
want
something:
that's
a
simple,
yellow
pile
that
you
just
fill
out
and
go,
and
that's.
C
D
D
C
Yeah
just
have
that
all
running
really
quickly
out
of
the
months
and
I
don't
even
have
to
mess
with
it
and
again
it's
a
yellow
configuration.
They
have
a
really
great
it
is.
There
is
not
a
GUI
but
there's
a
great
command-line
interface.
Where
asks
you
what
type
of
service
you
want
to
use
you
want
it
to
be
PHP
7.
Do
you
want
to
be
PHP?
5
6?
Still?
Don't
you
don't
want
that
uh-huh?
C
But
you
can't
you
have
those
options,
it's
very
very
easily
configurable
and
then
once
that
goes
through,
you
can
simply
make
the
adjustments
say
your
solar
is
out
of
date
and
you
want
to
update
it
on
there.
You
just
have
to
make
the
update
on
the
amplifier
and
kind
of
mess
around
on
things,
makes
your
life
so
much
easier.
Another
thing
that
I
really
like
I
do
enjoy
this.
C
F
C
C
Anything
else
it
actually
works
well
with
Drupal
and
WordPress,
and
no,
although
I
only
I,
really
use
node
locally
I,
don't
really
use
docker
for
that,
because
it's
all
compiled
with
nvm.
You
can
have
that
there
and
yeah,
so
it's
great
I
enjoy
it
and
you
try
it,
but
again
the
radix
point
using
one
of
these
tools:
I,
don't
we're
not
gonna
fight,
because
you're
gonna
use
something
it's
gonna,
make
your
life
easier,
not
our
life's
easier,
so
have
fun
with
it.
Okay,
thanks
mark.
B
B
Which
helps
you
to
start
a
talk
up
our
environment
for
development
and
it's
current
is
basically
consistent
results
for
a
project
member,
so
it
comes
with
a
command-line
utility
called
fin
and
some
configuration
opponent
for
dr.
Campos
and
the
corresponding
document
library
like
for
PHP
for
several
versions
and
Apache
MySQL
battles
of
solar
elasticsearch,
one
is
at
zone
and
it
provides
you
a
way
to
set
up
a
project
with
your
configuration.
But
at
the
same
time
you
can
also
it
has
also
flexible
configuration
for
it.
B
Well
use
cases
for
the
plates
for
different
projects
or
applications
like
Drupal
WordPress
get
speed
WordPress
and
you
can
basically
and
wizards
was
in
project
crate.
What
that
is
a
from
a
point
of
acute
documented
integration,
which
works
both
well-known
zi
pipelines
like
a
pocket
circle.
Cro
get
get
the
tax
yard
which
you
can
use
in
order
to
have
branch.
B
Also
persistent
environments
like
a
development
environment
or
the
UAT
environment,
where
you
can
do
QA,
for
example,
or
Reiki,
for
your
clients
or
demos
for
your
clients.
It
is
also
web
idea
built
in
complete
cloud
nine,
but
with
the
next
release
it
will
be
I,
think
visual
studio.
So
what
60
back
integrated
so
basically
got
cells
there,
the
onboarding
developers
on
the
project
they
will
be
able
to
set
up
their
local
environment
was
in
minutes
instead
of
hours
or
days
like.
B
F
Hello
modulus,
I'm
from
bellman
company
drop,
folds
and
I,
get
represents
launch
pads,
which
part
is
actually
a
tool.
We
start
this
up
at
projects
and
we
start
to
use
it
to
also
include
your
boring
time
with
people,
because
it's
really
hard
actually
to
say
in
a
friend,
certainly
make
some
a
local
development
stack
working
for
everybody.
So
it
started
as
a
pathway
to
make
my
own
local
environment
working.
Let's
move
to
support,
and
are
you
actually
using
its
to
do
or
daily
daily
developments?
F
F
So
it's
as
far
as
it's
a
developer
focused,
so
it
has
all
the
necessary
to
to
do
debugging
or
profiling
or,
like
n
broke
support.
Male
Hawk
make
six
half
of
everything.
That's
needed
there
to
really
get
them
to
that
to
to
fix
the
problem.
Is
there
are
native
support
for
exhibits,
see
of
i2
because
so
somebody's
hard
for
people
to
set
up
so
yet
has
all
the
tools
there
to
really
get
end
up
to
to
fix
a
problem
and
the
stakes
and
hope
for
projects
over
yeah
spoken
at
home
have
a
yarmulkes
yahoo
basis.
F
G
Yeah
I
guess
I'm
here.
My
name
is
my
column,
represent
pick
me
and
so
pick
me
actually
has
an
interesting
story
and
it
was
literally
built
on
a
weekend
by
me
because
so
we
are
hosting
company
and
development.
We
do
talk
container
hosting
and
we
realized
by
fast
that
the
local
environment
or
the
clock
developing
system
is
not
as
great
as
we.
G
So
a
bit
desperate,
we
just
built
something
with
some
other
tools.
So
pick
me
is
really
next
like
the
Rihanna
lines
of
code
and
but
it
basically
uses
a
lot
of
other
open
source
as
possible.
So
we
have
an
H
a
proxy.
We
have
a
mail
hog
at
an
SSH
agent
in
there,
but
you
just
run
it
once
and
hit
the
new
run.
Docker
compose
and
compose
has
been
some
environmental
studies.
Where
do
I.
G
Take
me
and
yeah,
but
I
were
actually
and
I
said
it
was
just
build
on
a
weekend,
and
my
plan
was
to
make
maintain
for
two
months
now,
it's
three
years,
and
so
we
are
continuing
to
maintain
it,
but
we
actually
decided
that
Lagoon
that
we're
gonna
support
other
tools
so
you're
starting
to
work
supporting
with
Lando
first
and
because
we
really
see
that
running
our
own
tools,
especially
from
working
with
a
lot
of
agencies.
I
mean
the
amount
of
fighting
about
port
80,
that
I
see
on
poor
computers
and
so
and
yeah.
G
We
said:
okay,
we
will
continue,
half
pygmy
ever
actually
rebuilding
it
go
over
right
now,
because
ruby
is
not
cool
and
especially,
like
we've
heard
before
running
into
different
environments.
It's
a
bit
hard,
but
the
end
goal
is
to
actually
say
like
we
want
to
support
all
the
main
tools
so
I'm
here
to
solve
problems,
but
also
to
a
bit
understand
like
okay.
Where
is
the
world
going
because
I
think?
Last
time
we
checked
there
were
35
different
local,
the
welcome
tools,
and
so
it's
good
to
see
now
a
bit
less.
A
D
E
Your
code
into
the
container,
and
then
you
kept
your
web
server
running
inside
that
mounted
container
and
on
OS
X
and,
to
a
certain
extent,
on
Windows
as
well.
It's
not
as
fast
as
we
wish
it
was
so
Dena
takes
the
approach
of
turning
on
caching
first,
so
that
docker
has
explicit
caching
and
that
actually
works
for
a
lot
of
people.
Like
people.
E
Don't
complain
at
that
point,
but
there
are
two
other
techniques,
one
which
we
tried
and
fail
that
and
one
which
works
pretty
well
and
most
people
with
really
big
projects
like
Drupal,
8
or
Magento,
or
type
of
three
projects.
We
are
recommending,
they
use
NFS,
so
you
set
up
an
abbess
on
your
Mac
and
then
a
doctor
can
mount
the
NFS
into
the
container
and
I
would
say
it's
5
to
10
times
faster.
That
might
be
an
overstatement,
I'm,
not
sure,
but
mint
Magento,
for
example.
E
Without
it
it's
just
way
too
big
and
with
it
people
are
happy
to
work
from
the
Jethro's.
So
that's
the
oh
there's
one
other
strategy
that
you've,
probably
all
heard
of
as
the
is
the
cache
syncing
technique.
Where
there's
there's
a
few
different
tools,
classic
tools
that
will
take
two
repositories
and
try
to
sync
them
two-way
sync
and
they
work,
and
we
had
one
we
had
one.
We
still
would
have
it's
actually
still
in
there,
but
yeah,
and
you
know,
like
the
cat.
E
G
I,
it's
it's
really
sad
story,
I
feel
like
it's
and
it's
unfortunate
that
docker
does
not
decide
to
open-source
docker
for
Mac
and
which
would
allow
all
of
us
to
actually
solve
the
problems
and
instead
they're
just
keeping
their
issues
and
saying
they're
working
on
it.
They're
working
on
it
I,
don't
know
how
many
people
are
actually
working
at
dr
for
dr.
robek,
maybe
zero
or
one.
G
G
G
The
container,
because
it's
only
the
slowness
only
comes
from
when
you
mount
volumes
right.
If
you
have
volumes
that
are
in
the
container
natively
inside
the
VM
Yes
Doctor
from
a
grunts,
the
VM,
you
don't
see
it,
but
it's
a
VM
at
the
end
and
then
it's
fast.
So
the
problem
is
you
end
up,
then.
If
you
want
to
run
the
XD
buck
run
that
needs
access
to.
G
E
There's
a
strategy
like
what
Michael
said
that
people
use
on
type
of
creep:
they
have
a
bar
directory,
which
is
like
Drupal's
temp,
which
has
no
business
being
mounted
in
there.
It's
it's
throwaway,
and
so
the
solution
to
that
which
works
great
is
to
mount
on
top
of
that
attempt
that
best
volume
in
there,
it's
always
in
the
wet
bars
at
the
root
stuff.
And
so
that's
that's
good.
Anybody.
C
D
G
A
D
D
A
C
That's
one
of
those
things
where
you
have
26
competing
standards
in
life,
so
let's
write
a
27th
one,
and
now
there
are
27
competing
standards
in
life.
You
do
everybody's
trying
to
do
the
same
thing,
but
we're
all
taking
different
approaches.
I
think
that
the
point
is
we're
all
trying
to
get
to
the
same
place
and
eventually
you
know,
there's
going
to
be
one
ring
that
rules
them
all,
but
we're
not
sure
if
we're
there
yet
we're
hoping
to,
but
eventually
we're
all
trying
to
do
things
like.
F
C
People
are
trying
to
have
their
tool
for
their
specific
platform
same
with
lagoon.
You
know
people
are
trying
to
rent
it
for
their
for
their
specific
things.
Others
are
just
trying
to
get
get
kick
the
camera
down
and
make
things
happen.
So
it's
kind
of
hard
for
us
all
to
like
bring
our
heads
together
for
one
thing,
because
we
all
have
certain
different
drives
and
way
to
say
that
any
way
else.
F
So
I
think
it
is
good
to
have
and
all
together
we
can
weigh
in
like
on
docker
I
guess,
because
yeah
or
not
a
little
bit
top
never
listens.
Actually
I
I
have
the
same
issue.
You
can
be
an
issue
queues
there
for
layers
and
have
anybody
from
Dhaka
respond,
so
yeah,
but
I
think
it's
a
good
way
to
have
multiple
tools
to
to
look
at
it,
to
just
be
able
to
weigh
in
more
and
to
find
out
the
best
solution
for
everything.
G
G
D
G
E
E
Typo3
is
another
CMS
very
popular
in
europe.
You
might
not
be
familiar
with
typo3
very
popular
around
here,
typo3
County
Devon.
They
just
went
with
it
so
and
they
just
it's
in
their
docks.
Nobody
uses
anything
else.
They
just
use
Dido
and
Drupal
the
triple
worlds.
Very
different
Drupal
is
always
building
this
module
and
all
these
other
things
to
solve
all
these
problems
and
they've
never
I.
Just.
C
E
E
A
Okay,
we're
running
late,
but
there
are
some
other
questions
here
that
can
be
actually
talked
about,
because
if
we
have
time
now,
we
have
two
really
important
questions.
They
were
treated
long
before
the
session
and
one
of
one
of
the
vinegar.
These
questions
is
this
one:
what
are
the
most
common
difficulties
found
by
users
when
using
your
tool
and
I
would
like
to
go
to
which
each
one
of
you
is
possible?
So
what
users
font
I,
find
difficult
using
yours
or
to
your
knowledge.
C
A
lot
of
it
has
to
go
around
and
again,
you
know:
I
am
a
user.
More
than
I
am
a
developer
of
the
tool.
So,
from
this
perspective,
working
with
people
at
media
current
that
use
lando,
they
have
a
big
problem
with
the
performance
issue
of
docker.
The
way
they
get
into
the
NSF
mounts
and
whatnot
causes
it
to
be
a
little
bit
slow
for
their
liking.
I
honestly
haven't
seen
that
problem.
C
The
training
we
did
a
training
at
the
beginning
of
Drupal
con
for
component
development,
and
we
said
everything
up
on
lando
for
it
to
work
and
90%
of
the
people
worked
great
out
of
the
box.
The
couple
of
problems
we
have
were
people
with
Windows
that
had
some
weird
windows
of
not
very
issues
that
I
consciously
couldn't
solve,
which
was
really
frustrating.
So
there.
D
C
D
E
C
B
If
they
need
to
start
using
CLI,
so
that's
one
of
the
issues
that
ever
graphical
purpose
and
other
one
is.
If
you
need
to
have
lost
use
cases,
then
you
need
to
have
knowledge
of
dr.
Campos
and
that's
also
something
difficult.
I
would
say,
because
we
provide
a
way
to
easily
start
a
local
environment
and
get
a
stack
running,
and
then
they
want
to
do
something
more
and
then
they
need
to
get
now.
F
The
biggest
issues
we
encounter
close
by
when,
like
a
new
release
of
docker
for
Mac
or
something
changed
internally,
you
have
no
knowledge
of
the
sudden
it
breaks
or
attend
a
performance
penalty.
You
can
you
didn't
expect
beforehand
and
also
that's
if
somebody
wants
to
like
you
said
over
eyes,
something
you
need
to
have
some
like.
You
know
knowledge
of
a
docker
compost
and
that's
that's
actually
the
wider
tool
is
there
do
not
have
to
have
that
knowledge.
F
Some
people
are
fine
with
just
using
a
tool
or
know
a
real
attorney,
so
people
want
to
know
get
to
rule
so,
for
the
people
want
to
know
it's
no
problem,
they
can
figure
that
they
hurt
themselves,
but
for
the
older,
some
sometimes
harder
than
just
get
that
part
in
there
that
that's
kinda.
What
a
the
sinking
issue
like
granny's,
heteros
people,
you
know
at
your
sink
and
at
that
point
your
signal
gets
stuck
without
any
notification.
So
just
was
there,
and
why
is
my
change
not
going
into
my
content
wider
than
Snowden?
G
G
D
G
Again,
they
only
support
Windows
and
pro
or
enterprise,
so
many
companies
don't
alike
in
many
times
they
don't
have
that
portion
or
they
don't
have
the
permission
to
install
yet,
and
so
that's
actually
really
the
hard
part
right.
Now
it's
and
and
so
then
they
end
up
being
like
running
I,
don't
know
like
command
again
or.
D
G
Other
in
weird
ways-
and
so
that's
that's
a
bit
the
challenging
part
I-
don't
think
that
anybody
can
actually
solve
it.
Because
again
it's
a
problem,
and
so
one
of
the
things
we're
looking
at
is
just
to
go
cloud
OEE
all
the
way,
so
to
maybe
offer
a
way
that
you
don't
need
to
run
anything
locally
like
basically,
what
you
need
is
a
browser
and
where
you
can
just
go
in
and
you
can
say
which
environment
you
want
and
it
opens
up
in
IE
and
when
you
ended
it,
it
updates
it
on
the
server.
G
All
the
time
like
I
was
a
big
opponent
against
that
for
a
long
time,
because
I
want
to
have
stuff
running
locally
and
but
I
see
so
many
issues
that
this
is
like.
We
are
trying
to
convince
people
to
give
the
users
admin
access,
and
that's
such
such
a
big
issue
that
we
and
it's
not
going
to
be
the
preferred
way
like
I,
still
want
to
support
it
locally,
but
yeah.
We
just
realized
at
the
one
point
of
view.
You
need
to
find
another
way
and
go
cold.
A
G
G
Ya
know:
for
us:
the
major
plan
is
to
support
all
the
tools.
A
pigmy
is
going
to
exist.
It's
probably
gonna
be
in
go
and
because
of
portability,
but
if
you
want
to
use
it
really
like,
if
you
also
use
other
hosting
part
that
platforms
and
stuff
like
that,
we
want
to.
We
want
to
have
possibilities
to
run
the
good
images
on
other
tools
and
I.
Think
that's
our
contribution
that
we
can
make
to
not
create
this
like
the
sevens
tool.
So
that's
gonna,
be
our
roadmap.
G
F
For
us
it's
to
actually
open
sources,
it's
not
yet
open
source,
but
I
think
it's
very,
very
useful
for
everybody
to
like
this
ye
homie
source
of
issues-
and
you
just
learn
from
each
other
and
eventually
having
good
discussion
about
the
vote.
The
long-term
path
forward,
because
I
don't
think
that
I,
don't
think
all
the
tools
will
be
gone
into
one
tool
like
next
two
years
or
something
two
years
in
that
it
won't
be
possible
and,
let's
move
on
so
for
my
specific
it's
the
documentation,
it
lacks
documentation.
F
There
are
no
Burton
features
that
are
not
documented
and
there's
this
yeah.
That's
some
of
the
issues.
Also,
people
start
with
us
to
know
how
to
use
specific
things
yeah.
For
the
rest,
it's
more
not
trying
to
reinvent
the
wheel,
I
guess
to
really
really
get
support
for
other
platforms
or
the
other
way
around
to
get
it
to
more
involved
into
other
tools.
B
Also,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
there
is
a
built-in
web
IDE
which
will
be
released
in
the
next
visual
studio,
which
is
also
terminal
integrated
and
it's
debug.
Then
it
is
planned
to
combine
the
sandboxing
feature
and
this
web
IDE
in
order
to
have
integrated,
on-demand
cloud-based
development,
environment
yeah,
which
can
be
used
for
Sprint's
or
trainings
or
development
needs.
E
Yes,
a
detox
roadmap
is
public
out
there.
You
can
just
google
DDF
roadmap
and
you'll
find
it,
but
the
some
of
the
biggest
things
that
we
have
on
the
list
are
support.
Explicit
support
data
already
works
with
almost
any
PHP
or
JavaScript
or
HTML
environment,
but
we
want
explicit
support
for
Magento.
We
want
to
explicit
support
for
a
number
of
other
CMS's
and
we're
we're
getting
toward
that
and
our
wordpress
support
has
been
lagging,
but
WordPress
people
are
starting
to
use
it
more,
and
so
you
have
to
catch
up
on
that.
C
Trying
to
get
a
stable
release
of
version
3.0
out
the
door
by
January
1st,
they
also
want
to
work
with
more
integrations
of
I,
talked
about
the
customers,
a
tour,
the
integration
of
Pantheon
earlier.
They
want
to
do
more
of
that
with
aqua
with
and
other
ones
as
well.
Try
to
get
that
in
there,
but
one
thing:
I
warn
you
at
the
bottom
of
this
lake.
They
talked
about
a
marketing
mascot
and
they
click.
Don't
click
that
link?
It's
not
what
you
think
it
is.
So
that's
one.
D
E
C
E
A
Okay,
actually
I
was
going
to
put
that
exact
question:
that's
fine,
okay,
so
so
the
cat
would
the
question
was
coming
from
the
audience
and
I
think
we
had.
We
still
have
time
for
one
more
question
or
two
is
wsl
solution
for
performance
issues
on
Windows
in
your
case
may
be
interesting
to
respond.
Yeah.
G
I
mean
it's
definitely
very
interesting
to
see
how
much
pushes
the
whole
Linux
on
the
text.
I
mean.
That's
really
cool
and
the
problem
again
on
my
side
is
that
my
users
cannot
actually
use
it
or
install
it
because
it
mission
became
the
darker
install
yes,
yes,
they
kind
of
install
anything
like
they.
They
double
click
and
install.
That
says
no,
not
even
that
no,
you
have
nothing's
like
it's
not
enabled.
G
E
F
D
G
D
G
F
Launchpad
is
there
is
a
traffic
container
in
front
of
it?
So
traffic
is
in
reverse
proxy,
not
it's
more
than
that,
but
it's
used
to
as
a
lot
loading
and
reverse
proxying
to
around
normal
traffic
itself.
Actually,
traffic,
Roger
and
Yulia.
Is
that
SSL
offloading
there?
So
there
is,
you
can
test
everything
with
with
a
reserve,
no
problem
a
nor
will
I
trust
you
it's
rusted
surface
generally,
to
make
sure
you
using
make
sure
yeah.
We
usually
make
sure
it's
generates
its
when
installing
so
generates
a
local,
only
locally
accepted
source.