.Net Foundation Design Reviews, 8 Dec 2015

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Today we're look at various work items.

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I think you needed the differentiated concepts which.

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Funny of those space invaders actually works in.

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Lincoln life, yeah I.

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Wanted to do it, but we could mean something else which is back ending by the name: vs a's. Well, if I to salute you today, we're gonna.

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Wake up, like sure, alright guys, so this is basically pallabi put together. This is the I think it's a diff between desktop and what we currently have. Let me look at what's in it looks like basically what we have right now in the project, a branch which I suppose is will be considered latest about your war, and yet they did was actually other than I expected it to be as well.

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So the goal was I asked. Allow me to put it together, because I think you know every time we run into somebody that uses something.

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You know that that we don't have any base everyone off of horny pregnant, so the idea is to do it then holistic, look at what we have and then make a decision. You know, do reported wholesale, do we leave it as is, and what are we doing for the things we can implement? Does.

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He spend some time.

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Digging into that and basically make annotations for what we can support monthly, what we cannot support and then think it's actually larger than one that thought it would be the.

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We going for you to try to do for those guys my options, we don't put them on option. Is we throw another option, as we ported, by put it in some other contract right and then have that work? The problem is for settings, it's kind of shitty, because you, which is no nice way to tie them back together and you don't have to know that. Oh there's.

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Know concerning council windows kind of, but that would be a pretty shitty experience, so I think I'd honestly, don't know what's good with these things, I kind of and.

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Really looked like the few cubes and it.

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Is api's the.

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Program from not suburban attention, I really think that we need to like go all the way and change mentality and, like we are designing, forget about you know we are designing for linux developers I. They should.

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Have first-class experience I believe it correct.

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So, throwing glass or not supported extension is not first class experience. It doesn't look like an API design for them, I only like we need to be able to go to linux developers and same kind of platform that was designed for you and the moment they say, won't affect about those last two men supported exemption. It's not true!

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I made the tricky part, is I mean you, can you.

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Can make the argument both cases right because I mean like a remember when which share the document for how to factor right, I mean there is a I mean? Do you generally think that we should never throw or is it.

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It's a cookie I.

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Think it should.

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Be like you know, the world will come down. We don't you know like it's. Pretty should be an exception, not okay. Well, I just put all the ideas that you can in the past and whenever we are near finish platform, that's a perfect section. Yeah I mean like that to me it's acceptable, like we throw back from not supported exceptions and windows in some api is, but it's an exception to the rule not, and we designed a pianist. I.

B

Completely agree, I think the the tricky part will be. I mean like. Let me pull this way is high. If you know, if half the api is throw with it something wrong exactly if core API is that people are forever likely to call that's a white line withdrawal we also screwed I, think of it.

B

Some borderline API is like beep, for example, which probably be can support actually, but let's just say will be something like that: I would be fine with that, because I mean the alternative as we move it somewhere else, but where would you move that right the only same way, but with the remove the functionality, probably yeah.

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But I think I I know it's hard. I go to Berlin sorry, but we need to come up with a solution that works for these members that parkour yes,.

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We come up with a solution, will give a solution for everything else that is not current. Then we end up with a nice if.

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You have a look at once a try that with or copy April in it yeah what.

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Have in common it's all basically window manipulation. Oh.

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Good chunk of it is not all of them. Are that good example is getting back home color right.

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Well, well that can today, like you, can't a good unless we can actually do a real background.

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Well again, so as I'm saying, we can't like you just can't do that with every what.

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Cannot get the background.

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Color reliably: yes, that's what I make sure it's whether they're old, something in common is that we know. If you really read out right, you redirecting guess what they're going to do these.

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Things are going to do as well. Well, we directionally like it's not even about redirection. Let's say you actually.

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Is because in Windows on redirection, all all these things that nip you like the window or that's rather yeah.

B

But our Linux that actually works, you can be direct and still right, color, because the Linux the way they do it is it's basically MZ escapes in the output. So it's basically together with the text, which is why, for example, if you have a console app and you pipe it to less, they preserve the color as the scroll, because this part of the data. But my point is that you cannot actually asked for the color because they just don't have that yet exhibit.

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Rest, yes, I agree.

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Of you, if you let's say you, would split it into into winning manipulation and console. I think that will probably not be terrible, but.

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It kind of feels like you need to really split this guy out. My console needs to be about running stand outstanding, okay, a brief from standard in writing standard out. Then there's his other concept, which is the window. You know. Sometimes you can use. Sometimes you can't on windows. You can't use it if standard out is yeah is redirected, right video. How is that? That's? What it feels like to me is like this optional window concept. That's that's!

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If I don't happen to be in a window, let's nip you late it may we have a light up for that. That's how I can only be late windows or things like I, don't know what there's a commonality between what we can and cash. Well.

B

I guess once you move function, T out, you're, also opening the playground for like changing the members themselves right slightly in order to accommodate things like background color, for example, not have Center, for example, or not have a getter just have a setter.

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But it sounds like the right people on in the room. Are we do we have the.

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Right, though,.

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I just wanted to use the time.

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Until younger shows up and I mean Khloe sit around and funding or twist weekend, it might as well just take a look I.

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Like I know, Stephen I online somebody joined.

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This being, though, it.

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Is oh yeah, Eric, Jeremy above online and Danielle just joy because they don't.

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Seem to have the beasts- and you know this one, so he.

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Does, oh no I mean I, think I think I would just write it down movie just said hello, hey Danielle,.

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Commonality seems to be that with all the windows members it winning teams have probably so using that probably.

C

This is like something like this. As a property code will go and move all the members to the instance. That is, he turns from window.

B

Why would you do that? What.

C

Because then, you can basically no internal order or do it try get window or something like this from the strategy and then, basically, when you write the software, you have a type of console it's about standard in and out. If you want to manipulate the window, you get this property, you check whether it's not power or try, and then you got a window and now you do its work. Yeah.

A

Oh I love that hard work across all together and.

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Then yeah and then we have a constant window. You know type to represent the or.

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Equal immensely from you would like, created out of the static a surfer.

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Can provide apollo starting City Council cuckoo.

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Land and then it would do the same thing like on communiqués. It would probably draw all the time on Windows your argument, redirected.

B

But what would you not just in with on a secondary type, because they near this is the poor has a bit at the benefit of interaction? Put in a separate contract is the thing. The discoverability aspect is not sure. It's worth it.

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It's just so, let me just test it is it? Is it really on the boundary of window that window, because some of these seem like you're, the one who sense lure Gators don't work, and it does nothing to do whether it's window or not. Me go well.

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Some of your nothing, it's related particle. They.

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Do really need you to realize.

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This is really good. Well, I would say I give it is david said I look at all the ones that are red right, I mean naked in our cursor. Position is clearly when you interpolation, but for high buffer with is AA largest window height largest window width is even key available. I would say that's for interactive and directing with the keyboard same thing. This.

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Well, yeah yeah: it's not windows, it has blue.

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What its key value.

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This table what window means to me. That means an interactive session with the terminal we.

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Don't we don't say which.

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Is the basically what I mean, but I don't say.

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That it's not available online on unix, we can use cave our so.

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I wouldn't what no, but once you do the split I would make the split neck consistent right. Let's.

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Just say we would, it will actually mean just.

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I think irritable just means there is a I think.

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We did, we just see house I.

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Mean, let's say we would have a new class called terminal right, let's just say, like anything, to interact with the terminal window. Essentially, that's what I would mean by that.

C

But human interaction within loons and on windows there are different kind of ladies short.

B

But I mean the nice thing is, as I said like once, you move a disciplinary type, you can literally change the api's and make them capability base and say yep on this platform. You actually can't I, don't know, set the cursor position all.

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Right, let's say by the way came out we should have, but you can't there's no way to know whether ring key is gonna block.

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We may heat will block if there's no important. Yes,.

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Sookie level is what you checked before you to figure out with it. You need to block whether you can block or not I'm ready, priacy.

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Don't know what it was probably I think where you started the runway with console, which is restarted with nothing and added I.

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Mean originally, with medium.

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I mean Nick, it's definitely historically come on time right. But that's why I'm saying I think once you open up the menu to say, let's introduce some new API somewhere else, I think there's a bit more room but I think console dot. Write line is an API has to continue to exist right all.

C

Right absolutely the only thing that you know like so it's not as I said we should verify this first-class get.

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C

About that one, we do have this problem, that people up just portico and let's say you, you know, add, consult and out of time. They will have to change the crowd for something out yes and I'm. Personally, okay with it it's just. We are going back and forth in the team whether we offer a with it I.

B

Think so far nobody has made the known that we haven't taken a holistic look at that, but it was always one of evidence right once you look at the single is to be like this, like it's very easy to say: half the api's have problems, the current approach isn't working and I think that's that's why I think of a bit easier to justify it.

C

As I said, there's no consensus of the team yeah, it would be good. You know it's a separately to exempt a great blocking, but it will be good to. You know, build consensus that this is what we are doing like just to just so. You know: I recently worked on the process component, yep.

B

That's example, and.

C

You know to me this is the extreme example of like seventy percent of the api's throw you can only start the process and wait for exits in a truly reliable way. Yes, there are people who say: y'all should be manual process time.

B

Well, I think that that's why I'm saying I think it's one of evidence but I think once you put things like this like, we can actually see it side by side. I think it helps. I also think like once it did it for one or two areas. You know the door is open, and I think then then, but I agree with you that there's certain things that I think you know that are very primitive and need to be first class.

B

You do design as such, but and as David said like once, you start with looking at both platform. At the same time, you would probably change some of the api's anyways in order to accommodate them, but I also think if you look at usage data, I mean I haven't done it yet, but I could I would easily see that you probably can you know, come up with some better way of because three alternatives.

C

So let me let me propose governor your turnah. It is instead of in a subsidy console and and adding this other type for the members at namimiss and.

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Had a new type that is just under keen enough yeah, because it has the advantage that existing customers are windows customers. Yes, they will hurt easily comfort in their code because it will just work right. They don't have to rename console that window. How to console. Tell me now window that window time, yep new customers. You know linux customers, any customers and they will just basically, and what would you call.

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Such tough okay.

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That that's the edge, that's the trade-off. There is the trade-off, but you know because I don't know standard in and standard are we could he? We could have to thank.

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You really could.

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Mean tremenda move on.

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So I guess what terminal.

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You could do cold, temp I mean.

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I mean big, guess you really, but it is true general that you're running out of things and process another one all the. Would you call that right? You can ask all the process. Otherwise it's a bit no.

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So I called so I call the.

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Running process, editing process.

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Reference because you kind of the first have to start it that then you better if it's good and then you a TI, doesn't allow you to like connect to existing brass I. It's just a little.

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That's true, I mean I.

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It is and if we are running out of things, something for console to do this issue is that we are you out of it. It was like there's standard input/output or something like this. We could come up with a good day. Yes, it's actually more difficult for processing for it for console, so you know like we should consider those options, because the second that I mentioned has the benefits that it comes with the existing afterwards and we can create that is really good, for you know: crop plants and customers very soon.

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The concrete plan is like it's either perfect for the new customers, nor for the HTC One. It's like creative also perform well.

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This is big before.

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Don't anything you don't want to see yourself saying on internet um fun fashion and then what's the other one.

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Alright, so I think these way, probably to look at a GeoNet, would be to do a diff, I guess and then just look at the differences. Would that be, but you already have something you have already starting prepared to look at or should we just create a simple diff and walk that.

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I'm not opposed to, but we have a lot of leeches yeah.

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A separating out of it.

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Know everything.

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Has been crashing down every word and I think I'm not going to go there because, I think absolutely okay and st marys.

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Think is horrible. I put your fault our commune where everybody children, but I was fixated but the best forget about now. Let's go and focus on that part.

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So I think a lot of things that come in to say, I think, has a valid point on. That is a lot of older, especially going forward and take a white people up next to get to go every time all these tickets to a couple.

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It's not a tribute amount of money power a lot of time and we have recorded to split them, so I think an example is cheaper, faster, please I'm not opposed to. So if we wanted to do it, there's hard there's one in two phases: public great over your chest at school.

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Is it does not.

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It has been a rows and rows and columns and all the concept of reactive.

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Doesn't know, doesn't that have done peg correct if the only time back to data set piece the fact that.

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Includes Dorchester rows and columns concept and all other concept like crazy and all this stuff, so young, it's not so if you bring in the data Taylor, if you bring up in activity, has its own set up implies the chest I'm back to the list of the concept of revisit.

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You bring up those ago an end table.

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That was a little bit.

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Ago has I'm rich 110 killers, it has blows collection of those and that's Colin's. Whole bunch of the civilization gets your literature so.

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The question is: can we so there's a couple of different options right you? We can't break an independent. So if we adn't, if we add an interface, become rulers, members subsidiary can't chase return time a cuddle time. That's just a non-starter all.

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Right, I, thinkoh.

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Could do well if you're creating a new one like you've kind of defeated the purpose of holding like this is completely about Pat right, okay,.

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Get scared, or something different like whether we bring back bring back, gets gamer in a different form is, is if the.

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Interface is, is so leave a compact answer, so I mean we can do some compromise. I'm going to be very clear here. Should.

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Do not have to come to that the SF here, yes, not right now and I had no plan to you know right now, before I don't have a family.

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It should let us talk about what kind of design we would come up with bent over that resources. Brie shows you have a few iceberg.

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So again, it is a result: the table, not whatever you want. We said that we were do it. I've been always understood. That and I said, is the concept and I know that in the past it has its own pros and cons and used a lot and I see the value and bring this one back. What is that for ya? Oh.

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Yeah, thank you so.

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Much debris the day, I said not right. Now, no.

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I get I get that I, don't want Piper's own.

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To other interface, only for the date, every differ-, Eskimo, okay.

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So adding any new interfaces is a non-starter flying because the entire the whole point of this is to bring.

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The interfaces for compact correct, if they have to fork for the new interface, then it.

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Derek, so you don't have to put anything else justify interface. Where is the interface console? Is it like other.

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Expire selfless.

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Than I had those methods to look and then accepting you integral.

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Now, therefore, pic API, third, so I think it's a non-story that we bought it. We added like there's no point for creating a new interface. You might as well have the device class right in that case. So there's.

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So go sure, I believe forevers. Of course they up to spell, and you I believe they'd only is a huge.

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Okay, so if you guys, don't like it one of the options of what what.

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Are you pictures, so what are them? What is the problem with I get that he did is that they kept a room. You go to pay you back, rajanna.

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Table data table has a dependency on bringing data table which bring bring you then okay,.

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That'll, shed ya later said, is the only one of those yep. So can we look at the table? Yeah.

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Because my phone I told me you can drink data set an.

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Back a sham what's up chatters data table and then.

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Probably subsided, that's cool I.

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Can do it as well I.

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Do not want to think of the day of everybody, so right, I, really, ms I need two different, a good Christian and they listen I'll going back to that again. The reason we decided not to look into beta said at the beginning was because we didn't want to bring it. In fact, the communities.

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In on the meeting of your poor father.

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Them which they have a point of what we want to you, so these aren't real interview them up with you want it has excuse your mother rip some of it interested.

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So that means we wanted to look at the whole picture. To want to do it now, or you are saying, is there for us to yeah, we can bring some subset for that. Didn't have will be in how they kind of time. It is any. Do I, look at the table and I'll be rushing it you're, proving something no.

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What is not talking about everything, because.

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Then you don't have to change visitor.

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I understand and now we are, what are we saying, but what is the community to say no.

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Okay, so check the communities online right, yeah. Let's.

B

Have separate these two things out, I mean I'll, be generally saying, data table or the content of their bliss, okay I'll, be having a problem with the concept as well. I have.

D

A problem with this brilliant, no.

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I July, we not get it I'm, saying the.

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Question, let's let's say we at data table as it is today with a meaningful, subset or even entire.

A

Services: okay, but that's what I'm saying I think is there? Is there a form of data table if we could bring, there is somewhat meaningful it out. Does it.

A

Okay, so I am under the impression that it is when I look at it like super years ago, yeah I, but.

C

I think what she's saying is she doesn't even have time to review all those 500 members and the time in Bhutan. Yes,.

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That's right: we have, we have design, we can. We can turn this design, someone. It doesn't have to be brought by you right. There calmly.

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Yeah I didn't simply have to, but I'd end of day. We got to review it. Yes, absolutely.

B

Yeah, so the difference between designing and reviewing it I'm saying that, like what I would do is I would I would bring in data table or subset they're off like we would triple. We take a look at their table. You should tell us like what are the concepts you have a problem?

B

Well, they just do it like a five min exercise. You just tell it there's like high level. What are the things is. All white is.

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On it now, let's have someone designed up and then put up a proposal, no.

B

I get that I'm saying: let's identify the concepts you don't want to have, because then we can do that.

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I'm amazed it what I'm good you know it was interesting. Luckily,.

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League, which we can figure that I.

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Know we can feel that it's not matter nothing I can feel right. I, don't need you myself. I can come back and give you head, but so.

C

Let me ask one question: if you are adding new interface, what the shape of dangerous, because it seems like these- are either without some.

D

The exact same thing except the one member I.

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Want to I want to reiterate: this is completely about compatible, bringing bringing a new interface defeats that either we bring the interface where we join. Everybody sits.

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Too late almost it was us to be okay. Well,.

B

The problem is that ok, let's step back, why we say so our goal is to have to have done korn na net framework right there, essentially to Fox right. So technically we can have arbitrary.

B

We know we can make arbitrary changes. The two challenges we also want to have a subset between the two that is compatible and one only compatible but binary compatible, which is if we bring in half an interface, there's no way to make the binder compatible. So what that means is that in the portable subset, the interface would disappear.

D

Han is to back back back sure.

B

So you came to come up with a new interface, that is that as a sex with name with half the members, but then the father male.

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Is but why would you need the unifies now? Why we need is use one of those closets? Why.

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You need the interface ya. Can.

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Bring a similar effect to see.

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What would the infested over the base class now.

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Well, that would have 560 databases, yeah.

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Better, if it, but it wouldn't add any value over the existing. The reason we're talking about this now the discussion on the thread got a bit off topic, but it was a originally arranged bounce back at which compatibility that.

D

Was two thing: it was a backward compatibility and the maintenance costs of both the world had totally super clever can make correct thanks. Thank.

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You didn't want to that ap I, just.

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Wanted to write yes,.

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Interface is not only the very dirt, it has whole bunch of bloody pieces, so you're right, they're, not free incompatibility, not really.

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Yeah, so I would say that you like bringing back a different interface for I dot. Every I, don't think a.

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Pretty Sam, okay.

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Souls, as I said,.

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I'm open today other options for me bringing data proving that people is not enough. It's not a stutter, it's not a starter, so.

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I want to bring down.

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Again, as a food as it is, it's not start because we're going to bring a bunch of stuff young.

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Gotta, keep going ever tending, we were talking about breaking greenback, a subset of data types sounds.

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Completely that.

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Is completely, which is subsidized okay to company bring back a subset of data text that is subset it away. A bit has no tie into data set is solely just about a rows and columns. I.

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No, this is a lot more okay.

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Queries I just like I, just said, because the news also listen to her, but she doesn't it I.

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Understand another, the.

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Somebody can be.

D

Okay, you guys would like to bring my fifth time and we're going to play my pack. That's the bottom line. Is you guys are not going to design it and then just fly that correct, because you guys don't want it I own it, my team on it, the chaturbate something comes in. We have to pay for it, copy that okay.

B

So but no I told us everything, so don't okay, let's do the back this up a little and say so. What is if you want to bring to dr coeur in general like either we are bringing, I guess, is the problem that we kind of want to bring data table pump you're, not happy with the design, because it's a solvable problem or are we saying you don't want to bring an implementation because that has caused, because these are completely different states?

B

Well, but then, then, I don't understand when you say that you're open to bringing it like an egg. Are we open to bring it or not?.

D

In-Memory data, big data, please.

B

Ok and then, how would that look like if it's long rows and columns.

D

Not the way it is so lovely sweet as it is today.

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Of exsanguinated, mostly like filet over very much more simplified version of what we have today, whatever I called it, a beta came up in my father. They are going to have in my hands and classics. We might not like the wrong I haven't thought about it. This is there's a reason why we at least I babe. You want to learn anything Imperial, first of all, longer than what grieves of the shooting the content yourself is a reasonable and also it has a lot of a kind and dissimulation.

D

It has a lot of implementation plan, not just in from the patient, well concept of having trying to do. How would you do that? They don't a board and they have to pay a keyboard, a license.

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Expiration explorations and we can play the podium because it is great but functional.

D

Again, even though, or the community right absolutely right, most life of any better than concept people wouldn't want to have some kind of not so much. So how do you like? The more likely we like it, the same as saying our classes again, I have not really had a yes.

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That's why I'm not saying that you do I'm saying which.

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Your confidence.

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B

Lynn- let's break up you more. So how would you bring the interface if you don't bring in this to you you're, basically saying don't bring in the interfaces them, but.

D

That was our original one, we have a problem and they have absolute habit, or so we can believe that. But the question is: there's only one thing that would prevent this from.

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Tech question so psychotic visit Alaska its original purpose.

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Is just came by you guys.

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Thank you see the point I.

C

Have anything this is a big decision, whether we've been take a table or done. You should, like you know, she's saying no, doesn't a time we make, but, let's assume or not we end up bringing data label is just said in a very big like April, and then we definitely no idea with.

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That now we've taken the type data table right. That's what like we're bringing.

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You don't have a future yeah, it's.

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A charge and there has to be a fun look like the other. The other thing.

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That you're missing is get schema is something that is also on the right now and get schemer return. The data table on dollar greater okay. So too we have to have a story around gets game, doing the right, something usually.

C

33,000 ft type you just an empty time, but.

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That's not that doesn't solve the problem they need. Data are.

C

You done, are you saying that it would not be enough? Yes, okay, if that's the case, then we'd.

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Have no longer than you then.

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We need to design you like the answer so.

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Really think that we should move to a model with that data table is just a simple data type. It bring it back as a simple data type cut it down, just Rosen phones and then we'll get the picture of the data set thereon.

A

I mean it's it's similar to what we've done in other areas. Yeah.

B

I personally, I think we be I, understand the cost argument, but at the same time of year it's not what is in there.

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B

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I know we need I, have an inflection point where we are on binary and some of these ones.

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D

I think I said we did you listening the first place that it was fitted.

A

Legere we could go back and 15 years ago and redesign it, but we can't.

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But again it's going to do that.

A

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D

Is that possible yeah, but so I was going to ask you what.

A

We couldn't we could. That could be one option if.

D

We wanted to run.

D

It's impossible because I thought that if we added now, everybody has to be perfectly so how is what way you could it you.

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Interfaces are a subset of the base possible. The interfaces behavior can be talked in terms of the bass part, so we could go in v2. Add interfaces on the base classes, delegate onto the base class.

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B

Well, we currently don't let the interfaces right so clearly you can expose an API Lord have an interface there's.

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B

That's the general problem, I.

A

Didn't say we have to do anything to I, say it all comes down to. Is that your inter cost that you can't do a whole feature right? You don't have enough resources totally. What.

D

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A

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D

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A

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B

Is any way we can upload that into other areas, but we can say maybe we can come over below that says you know we want the court to be independent of data. Table later said.

D

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A

Why I think that we break it between data table? Another thing.

D

Makes out a table very simple.

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Have to come back I.

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Think we just need to come up with a proposal for funding and then.

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B

But that's one, that's what I mean earlier that give me if you just put some some God rails in and say: here's the um you know, basically the generals, chocolate. If you want to have that say we want me, then we don't want that. Let's say you want to say this another common with interfaces independent of data table, let's say B. We say this is a stake in the ground. I, don't know how we will design such a thing, but I mean.

B

If that's, if that's the goal that we have, then we can run with that. But what I'm saying is that I think we should decouple the implementation costs from all the porting cost or the maintenance costs from the design, because I think the design is just about layering it can play tackle there.

D

Right and with a silent somebody just desire.

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So I didn't know.

A

I've been talking to management 19, I I can get people on this.

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Absolutely yeah.

B

We can we can talk about that like once. We know what we want to do with it, but the other question is: is how post I you for basically somebody else doing the port, because let's say we actually have a compatible substitute me say you have the fact that they don't involve. It's like a dator set out the code, so it's already out in a reference source, it could be. The community could be F I.

A

Don't know why you're pushing back on someone else doing it. You.

D

Saying you have no resource.

D

Okay, we're there pouring there so I so come in at least one. If you like one I, don't know how long the world is going to this point to overseas.

A

I'm sure other than get schemer right. It seems we just have to make sure we play quick and make sure the data table looks okay other than that interface at delegating onto the base classes. It's not really a hard problem.

D

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Yes, I say the other than data table: the Delta, the interface delegation problem could be given. Time is CS I'm.

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About ninety-five percent, okay- I'm, not sure about the other. By presenting this Quran party things going on well.

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That's the point: I'm making I'm not a word about the implementation I'm, not talking about that I'm talking whether that was intense over, they are done with a full desktop yeah.

B

Yeah, that's something the orange only owns up this deck right, so I mean like it like I think we already have tools that can verify these, that the api's are compatible and then I mean implementation is to certain extend.

B

You know something we can front loader on our side, I'm just curious to like what what our path is, because I mean it seems to me. The biggest of all we have is dependency. It's like making sure that we layer things in the same way that, if let's say become of a new design for how we do it. Memory databases that we can have them parallel to what we have today, but I think like I agree with Dave. If you want to bring data table and data set, I'd rather have a reproach of a subset.

B

What we have a bit to break the dependencies and leave the rest pretty much as it is, bringing in a secondary packages or secondary api's all right. You know, I.

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B

Something that our team, you know knows how to do. I mean it's just yeah. I think. If we came of a design that has the right dependencies, you can take a look at that and then we can have a casa bracket, talk about who's, doing the work and that's and when um so.

D

Right now we are right now yeah.

A

I don't know other time frames. I have to talk to the people that said that Ike Leggett resources of this.

D

Yep, so it's helped you to help loosen and I'm down quietly yep.

D

I think you're strangers it I.

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Common interface is not specific done.

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Not a lot of the concern is about well no ticket plan, but what.

D

I'm saying is so right now, if you really look at it. Might? Oh, yes, thinking a lot of time, kids in part on a boat that was conceived out of difference, not right now, yep.

B

D

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There is a lot of people are dying with the community.

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A

I think it's clear that you have to get advice possible. Would.

D

Be an absolutely I'm not saying that fighting it deems if they don't, we need to get a preposition right. What is more important, though,.

C

Is there's a policy question? That's a design question you're, saying that we need to establish some policy and I said and I saying it's not the policy question to me. This is the design position. Whatever.

A

Interfaces are based on some time. It's, whether you, when.

B

You spend resources, but.

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B

Think what it's.

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About where you put the ratio system to spend time, making single client better or you may spend time making better the abstractions and I think you have to get abstractions right. Oh absolutely,.

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We are doing it and it don't that happens it's about. Do we do everything up front and the abstraction in our open, quick. First, no.

B

Like it sort of like a white thing right, I mean you're, fascinated implementations. You could find on the next to have a nice, sensible data story to begin with, but it's also true that you need the base classes and, like enough of the base class, is to have the ecosystem support McCoy, meaningful fashion I mean if we have secret client on linux, but none of our community projects, like you know and hibernate and stuff like that, can work on that. Then you start with a0 ecosystem on the other coast type thing, and so that's.

D

Some sense we know you are, you, are you.

B

Are asking me to do a black or white decision and say there's something I'd like to say it's a continued.

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Is being done, who should I ask this book.

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Isn't a lie idea.

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So I was like I'm sorry so.

B

That will be me, I guess I mean I will. I will sync with the same people that was not less. They have also talked about resourcing, but I think the first thing we need to do on our side is figuring out. Who can take a step at the at the at the layering and widely.

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What's a little runnable.

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