.Net Foundation Design Reviews, 12 Jun 2018

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-02:-02:-53 - Approved: Make it easy for large StringBuilders to be written to TextWriters without making a large string https://github.com/dotnet/corefx/issues/30048#issuecomment-396671773
00:27:56 - Approved: Allow Dictionary(K,V).Remove during enumeration https://github.com/dotnet/corefx/issues/29979
01:19:29 - Approved: new System.ComponentModel.VersionConverter class https://github.com/dotnet/corefx/issues/28594#issuecomment-396690545

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