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From YouTube: Visual Studio: .NET Community Standup - April 16th 2020 - Chat / Q&A with Kendra and Cody

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Join members from the .NET teams for our community standup covering great community contributions for Visual Studio, Visual Studio Code, Visual Studio for Mac, Roslyn, Extensions, and more!

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Chat, can you yourself there's.

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Was so easy, thank you John. So much for helping us host again. I have not figured out, oh, be a studio everyone, but it's ok, I'm.

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Trying to be channel 9 as a service, but of course, like I, said OBS and teams crashed right when I was like ready to go totally owning this and then classic.

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Now we can oh wait, can I hear John, oh well, I just got really dizzy and confused by the delay. I looked over at my computer, which shows mute.

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Which strain Cody and.

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I saw John talking him, I didn't hear him and it really confused me for a second. But that's! Ok, since it's no long day, it's only 10:00 a.m. oh.

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Sure so welcome everyone to the dotnet community stand up. This is the to lean Edition that we do every month, I'm, Kendrick, evens, I'm, a program manager on dotnet and visual studio with me is my co-host. Cody.

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Mayer I'm a program manager in the business to do for Mac team and our hosts hosts hosts for OBS. The host.

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I'm John, Galloway and I was planning on being totally silent, but you're actually featuring one of my blog posts at one point and then I thought it would be fun to actually talk about that part. So, but for week, four most of it I think I'll just switch to the two of you and you're sharing of your screen and stuff and then and then I'll like reappear, sounds.

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Good so I think speaking of the blog post, we can probably talk about our release, notes first and then we'll get into get further via Cermak integrated terminal bit in a second and so I'll go ahead and share my screen and we'll go over the first, a couple of links that I wanted to share out there we go so um you can and get to all of these links. Sorry for the flashing, craziness I think that, but bug usually goes away in a sec.

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You can get to all of these links and the URL Escom, and it's today's dotnet community, stand-up and I've pasted the link into the twitch chat and not the YouTube chat, because they didn't think that far ahead.

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um So sorry, the the flashings a little bit crazy. This happened yesterday, the flashing at the top, and it went away after just like 30 seconds. Oh yeah,.

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Like eight seconds left in fashion, then let's see if it I hope.

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Fingers crossed okay, but all I wanted to say was that we did release 16.6 preview 3. The biggest thing for me in this is fake support for a dotnet core. So there's a few other things, but so Microsoft fakes is a way to isolate your test. That's a mocking framework that is available in Visual, Studio Enterprise. It was dotnet framework only and now it supports Scott net core and SDK styled projects, but you do need to turn on a specific feature flag.

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So this was one of the little like paper cuts that people were hitting as they migrated a lot of their apps from Donna remar to.net core. They had this massive testing suite that they built out. They couldn't migrate, they're fakes tests and now they can. What.

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Good your excitement over it isn't fake, though, is it.

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There's also so that is under a feature flag, also under a feature: 5 I flag. That I believe is yeah the new get experience, so we have like a completely new window. Forget I, believe we also that's. Also one of our blogs for pratik wrote yeah, so we kind of rethought the team Explorer and we're not just calling it the gate window, because it's.

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It is the gate window, so yeah you can initialize and push repositories, which is really nice. You don't have to like get in it from somewhere. I, actually don't know if you were able to initialize repositories from Visual Studio before I always use the git bash yeah.

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I think I, don't think you can honestly. Can you oh and I, want to check now.

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Switching didn't go away, maybe I'll reshare, my screen really quick see if it maybe.

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It's the dark mode or something.

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Be able to network, is it fine? Is it gonna, be okay, see.

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The excitement- oh yeah, so far. What would you change? Okay.

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um I did an app share as opposed to the desktop screen share, but even yesterday, when I did the desktop screen share, it still caused the glitching. So I just tried something new. It's like a it's a miracle and things work anyway. You.

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Know we'll take you where we can yeah.

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So anyway, I like creating new branches. It should be a little bit more like continuous I, have actually really liked a lot of the improvements that come into the team, Explorer and I found myself using it more and more, especially in the past year, so and now that they kind of put even more into the UI and stuff I'm really excited to see it improve I.

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Like that branch management, you just go back up to the merchant.

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Ice-Creams management.

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That's really nice system, I know we're looking at you know, redoing to get experience on Mac as well and so I'm hoping that we can kind of standardize on it. That's a really good good workflow there yeah.

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I have been using this just a little bit and it looks like they don't have. You know how the get brick get branch manage and used to be at the bottom I'm, not.

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What's in the screenshots I'm.

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Getting at the bottom because I mean I.

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The bottom envious code, though, isn't it it.

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Kind of cleans up, yeah, I, hope, they're, okay, that'll be some of the first feedback that they're asking for oh and they have little diagrams and for a long time, we've also had many of the commands index and like control queue, but it looks like we're also giving things keyboard shortcuts. So it's just like. Oh.

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Another thing, too, is that we're working on and I'm glad to see this on the window side and on the Mac side is that kind of standardizing on get specific terminology he's, like you said a few minutes ago, you know, let's not kid ourselves get is primarily the the methodology that every and for social control today will standardize on these. That they're actually think they're the same words you use in terminal or in that CLI I. Think that really helps.

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You know make that correlation between what you can do in the CLI and what you can do in the and application to you. So this.

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Takes me back between, like back when get hadn't won so I started. I have my first internship was in 2014 and some teams were still using TFS as a source control system which wasn't team foundation server. It was like also a separate, very much get like type of source control. You ever yeah.

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No I have used visual sourcesafe. Oh.

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Go I have a lot of great hair, so yeah it that that's you know the 50 most are safe. Is that its name was kind of ironic, considering the challenges that it would lead. I'm sorry have people like source safe on the presentation, I'm, sorry, visual source, unsafe.

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Cm full of puns today this is they're not landing, but I'm, full of them yeah.

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Okay, cool so yeah, that's yet, um and a couple of a things in this release and again that is behind a feature flag. So you got to turn it on in our preview features and in tools, options, there's some C++ stuff, recognizing C++, 2520, okay, 20 concepts and some issue fixes well.

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Look at the release notes for Matt Kenny disrobe, absolutely.

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One thing that I want to point out is: if you are on Vista different Mac, please update the latest version unstable. There are some good fixes to xamarin issues there, so I'd recommend checking that out. That would be on the on the stable channel I stutter. It's just like the stable release, not around stable preview, I.

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Some great things to Emily we're going to the integrated terminal here in just a few moments, but two things I want to point out too, is the integrated, the updated identity, libraries. So if you log into the IDE it gives you access, like ESRI resources being all published, treasure and also stuff like access to Azure DevOps get so that's some great stuff there there were. It was kind of finicky in the past.

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You know if I'm honest, but we've updated the way that we do the logins to use the latest Mac adopted into the provider, and that will make that a lot more reliable. So that's that's great and ger PC support, which is pretty awesome too. So those are things you're really focusing on the interview terminals. The big you know highlight feature of this one we'll get in today. We could probably hop on over nest as though things want to show on on this site, but some of the advantages that degraded terminal are you can't even integrate.

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A terminal you can do anything.

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It's like having your OS right there, so John you want about the terminal a bit.

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Yeah sure, let me make sure I'm on I, hopefully have my video I, don't know so yeah the the terminal is really cool. It's um the way they did. It is really nice, it's integrated in with the Mac OS terminal. So what that means is your history, your customizations and everything are all there. So I gone through like the it's.

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The Mac OS terminal uses e shell by default now and I'd gone through and hooked up on my Z shell and did all these customizations and it was really cool when I popped open the terminal to see them all there. So this is an example. This animated, gif or Jif, as as you choose.

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Showing you know typing things in yeah, it's colorized, it's got all the like power line, fonts and all that kind of stuff. What I'm showing in this example is both the get experience and then also angular scaffolding. So these are all pretty common use cases angular reacts view all of them have scaffolders, and you know, of course, if you're doing anything with NPM and then also some dotnet commands are easier to do from command line, especially if you may have them in your terminal history. So so yeah, that's cool and then yeah.

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If you scroll down a bit, there's the getting started part as far as popping them open, there's several different ways: you can there's the view menu, there's control, tilde, and then you can toggle whether it's shown using the control. What does that called xn or something yeah.

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The wrong way: it's not a back! Oh.

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So there's a forward and a backtick yeah, so the the above. So the two bullet points, the one that you're on there with the control tilde shows the yeah. It's a both of those and then another thing is you can use the control Q or the sorry. The command dot search thing which is in the upper right, quick search, I think I forget what we could and and just type in the word terminal. So.

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It's right here: alright, you know what you can stand. If your mouth there you go right there versus command dot, to search yeah left of your cursor in.

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The upper right corner of the visual studio screenshot- that's not there yeah yeah, so so, if you type in the word terminal.

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Just launches it I've been using that all the time lately by the way, to navigate my source code, it's so cool, so anyhow there, the picture there shows the terminal launching by default. So when you launch it, that's just the non customized. You know whatever's the shell terminal there and then here's the search experience. So this is cool. It searches through your history and again because it's integrated in with the Mac OS system terminal, this searches, all you know your history and your current session.

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So what that means is, let's say: I've been over in my I term or whatever and doing a bunch of stuff and then I go over into Mac Visual Studio for Mac and open up the terminal and I do a search. My history is all there just awesome.

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Then you can have multiple instances. Instant supports are here: I've popped, open, another one. You know power shells cross-platform, so I've launched a PowerShell one which you know sometimes like, for instance, somebody who's asking me on Twitter about PowerShell or entity framework commands. You know like update database and stuff like that, and so you can for that and then the last thing in here configuring, the terminal font you can use. You know a lot of time for terminal.

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You may have a specific font, so I'm using Cascadia code, PL the power line one and you can set that up there too. So a lot of people.

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Terminal, you know you may want some specific customizations and you can do that too. I think.

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Also just get font control in the windows terminal as well or an in-studio terminal I think we did at the same at a similar time, cool.

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Because fonts are incredibly important like I. Am I am pretty specific about my fonts. They can't be too yeah, you know so see, I think that's! That's a you. Gotta have that fun! Okay, customizations.

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You what's your current favorite I'm, currently using Cascadia code with the power line when I'm using that all over the place, Windows Mac everywhere, do you do you have a favorite or yeah.

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I was doing source code Pro, that's been my traditional favorite, but right now doing fear code because of they get your support. Yeah I mean I think there is a there's a fork of source code for oh, it has ligature support called like Haskell IgG or something which I haven't really given. It will called try yet, but I'm uh I fear code is doing a pretty good job. For me. Right now,.

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Cascadia code also has support for ligatures too, which is right.

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Is have they so I guess I can't really see on your screen shop, but when first try Cascadia code when it first came out like in November it was. The width was really thick on Mac, so I'm not sure if that has, if that has been resolved or not.

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Fiera code fans in the chat well.

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Because it's great, why don't you what's your derp I'm.

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Actually, just basic I, never change I got console is all the way everywhere. It's.

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Nice, the default is okay to console. This is a nice fine. You know yeah.

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And like, unfortunately, since I do so many demos I have to use like the Visual Studio Bleu theme, because it shows up better on like projectors and everything so very rarely switch. All of my defaults I.

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I'm using like dark themes and like OneNote and all of my office products and teens and edge and everything but I can actually use it in my code, editor so I think.

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We've done this, this discussion, slash argument before about whether our themes are good or not. We.

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Can move on again.

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This is my soapbox I, because dark themes are so popular right now, there's not that many great light themes out there. So if you, if you are a theme maker and you want to make a nice light theme for vyas code, let me know because I would love to try it out, I'm super into light themes. That's.

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Good somebody's gotta love it okay, something else. I wanted to call out. That was just really cool.

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um We had like a big thank you post on all of our Docs contributors, which was great we're actually, we've been debating, whether or not to call out like actual community contributions to our product, in which we should do it and how to onboard all the product teams, because we have like 50 billion github briefings and lots of awesome contributors there, but now we're actually like calling people out, at least for docs cuz Jill got it together, which is really cool.

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So a lot people are actually listed out and all the work that they contributed and even just like issues that they opened we're also calling out that these are really helpful. Oh it's good. It just like goes to show that um we are actually so so far outnumbered by customers that the customer contributions are so integral to making it like a really good experience, because everyone else will see many more things for many more different perspectives than we can imagine so, and.

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I think that you know customer contributions to documentation is super important too, because it gives you that context of folks who actually are using it and know kind of you know how to best word things in a way. That's going to be well understood and well experienced my folks, you know we use it every day. We we do our best to make sure the documentation is clear and concise, but there's always things that open Katz going to jump over now.

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I stopped sharing, so we can give the cat okay, Mia yeah.

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This is the this: is the dev mascot.

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She is enjoying her.

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And while working from home.

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Comfortable kitty, alright, oh you were thing on. You knows: you're on, live TV and everything. Honey knows.

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The medium theme I like that I, like that suggestion in the chat that we need a medium theme between light and dark I, guess that's what the blue theme is on. Visual Studio is.

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Of like the medium theme.

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Oh so the lastly I just wanted to call out, if probably hopefully, if you're, watching this stream or if you watch it before you've, seen this little edit button. That appears on our and all of our Docs pages and that's how you can actually become the contributor and it'll. Take you into github and kind of walk you through pretty.

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Cool, just if you haven't done that it's really an easy experience. It's not hard to go through and edit something and I mean it's it's. It's I've done a bunch of them in the past, where I would just like leave a comment and I'll just go. Well just go ahead and fix it. You know yeah.

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It's pretty awesome and even just opening issues. So here's the edit button, as you can see it's our theme. It takes me straight to the github page where this markdown file is hosted. Markdown is super simple, I, love, markdown I was ranting about how much I love markdown the other day.

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You can hit this edit button at the top and it will switch it from sort of the rendered view to the actual brawl text and that's that you can edit and then it just walks you through like making a commit and everything you don't even need to actually like pull the repository. It really is very simple, especially for small changes. If.

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Doing yeah good.

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You're doing things like adding pictures or something like that, there's a couple extra steps, but it's really good yeah.

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Like you can even copy and paste the markdown into, if you have a preferred markdown editor or something vs code has a live view and a preview view side by side. So you can see how the markdown is actually going to look when it's you know published in that. That helps me a lot so I always copy paste it into this code and then go from there.

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And if you scroll all the way down to the bottom, we were also listing on people who created issues for certain pages, so we actually have that integrated inside docs at Microsoft comm. So you can leave feedback directly on github. This.

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Is really cool to it when you fill in a comment, so it looks like just a comment at the bottom of a doc and it actually goes here and creates an issue right out and github and then gives you credit for it and everything so.

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It's really nice they've done some really nice work on this.

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Okay, I feel called out in chat. People are saying, I do have the light theme of github I know, there's a dark theme for the github extension or there's a github extension for do having the dark theme. um It does rearrange where some stuff is and I do not feel comfortable with it. Yet.

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I'm safe in a dark theme on Stack Overflow, yeah.

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That's like the big change this year did.

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You guys think their April Fool's flashlight thing where it.

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Completely dark and your mouse was just a flashlight that you kid.

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Oh so something else I wanted to call out was that this weekend, channel 9 is still totally turning out content, which just totally brought a smile on my face. um So there were a lot of cool stuff over updates and the Windows terminal, and you know they're totally social distance and Kristina's yeah just streaming from her apartment and everything. So I thought it was really cool, so you can still get all of that content, but you know a lot of them. That gives a really good overview for all, like Microsoft developer tools.

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Another thing I wanted to call out is Matt's Christiansen and Scott Hanselman got together and did visual studio remote office hours, because Scott Hanselman has worked for a really long time remotely. His whole team has been a remote and we're all sort of onboarding onto it and I'm such a huge fan of nuts Christensen and Scott Hanselman. Why not watch it? We also give really good advice about sort of how to set an example for working from home norms.

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If you are like a manager or a leader and tips for working from home with young kids, which was just so nice to see our.

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Cats to be on the case or.

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A cat yeah absolutely so that is basically all the content that we had. Oh also, visual studio toolbox is also releasing um work work from home. What am I trying to say like remotely created and videos which is really cool, lots of fun, stuff happening and Bill.

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This year's gonna be remote. Yes,.

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Definitely completely virtual there's lots of excitement about how the heck we are going to organise that hands into temple.

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Cool, so is there any Q&A today me chat, stuff and people want to talk to a visual studio product team of that we.

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All right well.

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So as far as the um you know, you're showing the github experience and know, there's a different thing with branches and all that I'm curious. If, but if you have a favorite kind of way of working with branches and all that I honestly try to keep it as simple as possible, because I'm probably gonna mess something up just.

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Commits master there.

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Curious I'm, the chat to if people have you know some people use like get flow and then there's github flow and then there's there's different things. There's feature branching honestly for those sorts of things, I end up using something like at Kraken or the um or the github desktop. They have desktops pretty nice slightly too. You know what I mean. That's get crackin.

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Think I generally yeah so I see somebody saying the East Fork I used for quite a bit I. Also just CLI I think that for most tasks, CLI is pretty clear. You can always it's a lot more able to mess it up to I. Think one of the cool things that forecasts I think where this never getting to be as romantic as well too, is the diff view.

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So when you will see side by side what changes are in which files I think that helps me contextualize this things quite a bit, whereas you're just seeing the plus/minus in the command line, it can be a bit hard to see how that is. You know in its context, so I think.

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That's something we talked about it with, like I, knew it's Visual Studio for Mac and and I'm sure you know probably Windows as well. We would like the experience, especially thinking of like get one, a good experience. It's not too complicated for most things you want to do, but then, or you know, for the standard, day-to-day I am committing something I'm pulling sores whatever. But then, if you want to do something like merging stuff, that's complicated or, like you know, dealing with multiple branches, it's okay!

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They like use another tool and pop out you know and and kind of go between the two or use console like you're, saying Cody depends.

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On contact like that's one, that it's the good thing about integrated terminals, too, is that you you know? If you simply wanted to quick, you don't want to go through all the menus. You can just do a quick push from terminal. I think that you know with any other tool. It's a matter of what works best in any given moment for the use case and so I think be able to support those different use cases. All the same time is pretty handy.

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I definitely use the CLI most because I've been so trained, but like it's usually yet the beginning and right before I push I might switch back, but for a branch management and everything I definitely use the team. Explorer tools right now, hopefully into the new get experience now do.

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You use the new Windows terminal preview, no.

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I, don't you think it Bosch, because I, let's see, especially since it's for initializing I need to be able to I, can like navigate to the folder that I want to use and right-click inside of it, and it automatically launches in the correct directory yeah.

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Initializing obviously, I can't like I, don't really want to open the holder in Visual, Studio and initialize that way, but well I guess we're not actually sure that was possible before, but now it's totally possible. So maybe I should do I always basically have a like code folder at the root of my C Drive, and that's what I use so that I'm less likely to run into lake path limitations.

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Or whatever yeah so.

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Most of my so I don't use the Visual Studio likes or ethos directory a bunch if I can help it. You.

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Know that max path thing seems to have totally been fixed by this point. For me, on Windows I have not run into a max path issue in the last year, at least, which is.

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Yeah fix some things, I think I, don't I feel like there's still cases where you don't like.

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Python Python has law, nested stuff like in it, you know or like NPM I, think there's some instances where you can get pretty deep down a tree and you end up at the max path. Actually.

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Now I do remember: I tried out the mobile blazer bindings and it's some weird max path thing, and but it was a weird error and I was like just in case. Let me move it to the root and sure enough. It totally worked. Yeah.

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So yeah, that's interesting! That's what I do that.

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Works I think I said it's it's it's a matter of what works best in human time. People get used to their workflows. That's a thing that, like with you know, via Cermak, were always looking about the best ways to make sure that people who have previous vias experience are comfortable, but also maintain that look and feel of a Mac application, because you know you have folks who are coming in from native Mac experience folks coming in from native Windows experience, and those in some cases are diametrically opposed to one another.

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As far as how the application goes like, for example, today we were talking about preferences and on Mac the default is when you change a preference like a font. It immediately changes it. You don't have to hit, accept or apply on a Mac application, whereas in Windows the changes don't actually happen to you hit apply and that can be kind of disconcerting for somebody, who's not used to that sort of difference, and so we're always trying to find that balance.

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I think the same goes for being cognizant to the fact that people work in different applications different ways, including get so it's kind of a fun subject to look at.

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Go ahead, I'm reading that yeah.

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Well, that is a good thing that came up in the in the chat, is posh get and posh.

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Is really nice? It adds a lot of stuff like or integrating get into your terminal. So it'll show some nice kind.

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Status of you know, like so into your console, it'll show status and then it also includes some nice kind of commands. So that's part of like setting up a Windows machine. Scott Hanselman did a post recently on some of like setting up your Windows terminal, and you know using the new Microsoft terminal and doing all the fonts and all that, but also part of that. He showed setting up posh kid. So I do recommend that.

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It's been around for.

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A long time, that's it's pretty nice. It may even be installed as part of the github for Windows install.

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And when it one other person mentioned in the chat, if the new github I don't know, it's called CLI, it's called GA, it's just gah, it's a thing, and it does things like it adds on commands for like full requests and listing issues and stuff like that in the console. Oh wow yeah. So that's another example of where having an integrated terminal into your IDE is really nice right. You can, if you have that GH you just pop into your terminal, hit gh and- and you can do more advanced. You know.

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If there's something, that's not in the get experience in your IDE, you can do it from the GH thing as well.

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So I was skimming through Reddit and Twitter and like hacker news and everything, because they always want to kind of know what news I want to bring into this channel, and there was a really cool thread on the.net reddit I was just about like it was kind of describing that if someone had posted that they've been studying c-sharp for a year as like a student, but they felt like they couldn't.

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They weren't actually still like creating like able to create like a professional application for an enterprise, because they didn't feel like they had that real worlds, kind of something or other, and the top comment was awesome. It was like programming is only about 50% of it.

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The other 50% is working off across like this crazy combination of technologies and having this vast familiarity like we just talked about source control, and we named like 20 different things that people could use and and in combination with all of each other, and when you bring in like databases and sky pipelines and all the services you could do and with in production. It's just it's such a huge combination of stuff, but I. Don't know yeah it's like Christine just.

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Figuring out the best tool for the job, and this I thought goes for, like any trade or any you know thing is that you have to figure out the best tool is and know when to use it and.

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Yeah and but it can be a little overwhelming, and you know this is reminding me I've had I was helping someone on Twitter this past week. That was getting started with some web dev stuff and already you've got. You know your IDE you've got your back-end your friend and using multiple JavaScript libraries together and all this stuff, and my recommendation to them was just here's one tutorial that focuses on just one thing: it's just the IDE and I forget which it was it was, but it was just one example and like learn or try.

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I recommend try and learn one thing at a time if you can, because if you like, if you're going into something new and you're learning 90 different things at a time, it can be so much you know, and then you don't know if something's not working, you don't know which thing is wrong and then another nice thing is there's multiple right answers to a question like we just talked about there's 90, different ways of doing source control and if you're getting work done and you're happy, like you know, the.

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90 different ways to do source control even after we like recognize that get one. There's.

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Infinite yeah I was I've recently been looking at. It's a website called flatten the curb calm and it is about the kovat response and hosting like helpful.

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Languages, sorry, but I was trying to do a basic contribution and my PR was very dumb, but it did take me like three hours to add just like twelve lines of code and I was just trying to learn: Ruby, Jekyll and liquid and the reason my PR was basically bad, because I didn't account for their localized system, which I from what I can tell, is like a system where a bunch of different translators can use a tool to input. What text should be in the website and then it generates.

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What markdown it means in which, like different post combinations, and it like one page, is a combination of like 20, different markdown files and that's how it all generates and I don't know. It was just funny that, like oh I did I did need to learn yet another small piece of how this repository works in r2. In order to actually do something helpful, which I have not yet done but will see if I can make it through. It was interesting and women.

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Are right now to sew this? It's it's always funny kind of learning, new language or something just to.

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Yeah, you said you had a huge Python data script or something running in the background of your computer. What is that have something to do with it? Yeah.

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I'm just trying to analyze some some big data and I'm, comparing our two Python to C, which gives a the most accurate results and B, which is the most performance. So it's kind of a fun little justice, I project, I'm thinking about right now, so we kind of fun to to try to you know in.

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Our studio, yes,.

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I am I, remember.

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The first time I hit the different plot options. It blew my mind. I was like I, think I had one of the first Python tutorials I think it was like the seventh python tutorial, I did or something um it was teaching about how to like graph a scatter plot, but in our studio, is like one. Click of a button I was like I.

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Know- and you can make it look really advanced to you like it automatically refreshed and it can look like you doing crazy stuff.

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So neat yeah: it's.

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A fun language, yeah.

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That's pretty I'm sad I don't do as much sort of like research work, I, don't use R as much I use a lot of cousteau yeah.

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There's a there's a plug-in between the team as well, so justo.

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Is a Microsoft thing for doing data analysis, stuff and Microsoft is so data-driven about everything like we really do it like people ask about if you care about something like, let us know, vote on it on the developer community stuff and all that and then like that totally drives. What we work on and we're like very very data driven and justo is like this thing. Where everyone's like I, don't know, it's complicated I had to work with it before it. I didn't feel like I ever mastered anything I.

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I was really annoyed. I had to learn something new, because I had already new sequel and a couple different anyways, like just data handling and stuff, but I am really glad that we do have like external cousteau. Doc's like costo, is an external product. No I didn't know. Yeah I didn't mean to just like mentioned something internally.

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And, oh that's cool I.

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To find the docs, it.

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Is and it's I think it's really useful and log analysis as well. So if you're trying to you, can store your logs and that format, and you can query it pretty easily.

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If we don't have any more like questions and chat, we can probably sign off for this week. Yeah.

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That's it cool.

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Thanks everyone for joining.