.Net Foundation Xamarin Community Standups, 10 Jan 2019

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.NET Community Standup - Mobile - January 10, 2019

Join the Mobile .NET Teams for our community standup covering great community contributions for Mobile .NET, Xamarin, and more.

Link: http://aka.ms/standup-011019

Follow:
* James Montemagno - http://twitter.com/jamesmontemagno
* Maddy Leger - http://twitter.com/maddyleger1
* David Ortinau - http://twitter.com/davidortinau

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Whoa we're live, oh and there's a Scott Hanselman in the room make it.

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Guest appearance aah: oh my goodness, an.

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Endorsement isn't.

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It that was a little bit of perfect time. That's all he wanted to do now. He can say he was part of the first mobile dotnet community stand. Oh thanks! Scott there we go! That's how we do it. That's awesome! Well, we're really excited because this has been a pretty big initiative that I've been kind of wanted to do for a while. But you know if you come in, watching the asp.net community stand-ups we're trying to expand that I'll talk about it. A little bit more I figured I got some beautiful, wonderful people on this.

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It's got a community stand up. You guys want to introduce yourselves Maddy sure.

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Thing my name is Maddy, which era I'm a p.m. on the xamarin forms, sam'l experience team. So all the stuff you see when you're doing your UI is in Visual Studio. That's me, Steve.

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Maddy I didn't know, that's how you pronounced your last name. That's fantastic! Most.

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Say it again, Lazare.

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Like Legere, except smoother,.

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Fantastic, so it's French or French Canadian.

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Finch Canadian Canadian in there, okay, so I'm David, Orr, now senior program manager with mobile dev tools, specifically over xamarin forms and xamarin mobile SDKs yeah, so I'm really excited to be doing. This is gonna, be a blast. We've got so much stuff to share already I, don't know that an hour is gonna, be enough. James I, don't.

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Think so I think we may have. Perhaps that's.

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The same team and mobile done that team: do you gotta, do.

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I'm James Mata mango I'm here in beautiful Seattle, Redmond Washington per se, also so beautiful. But where are you guys at to where.

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I'm in Boston, good old, Boston, Mass, yeah.

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And I'm in st. Louis Missouri I've got a little representations back here on the wall, so.

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Couldn't tell exactly yesterday that entire backdrop behind behind you was completely different by the way? Yes,.

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It was, it was, we've done a little work in the house. It's.

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Beautiful yeah, so I'm I'm, James I'm here on campus, so I get to hold down the channel 9 fort, so I've been long time in the samory community. Hopefully a few people know who I am but I'm a program manager, I oversee all of our mobile development tools, so I work with all of our amazing PM's and engineers, and the amazing community that helps xamarin grow and just net itself grow, and it's really exciting to kind of see the the chats light up.

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We have all these things going on and I do my live stream, but it's not quite you know, as involved as this you know so. Cool.

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I think that what I want to do is first make sure, like people kind of understand what this is and kind of what we want to get out of it. So you know Scott came in for literally 5 seconds and he was like hey I'm Scott. We didn't actually say any words. He just gave a big hug and that's what I appreciate right.

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That's what I think is good, but what we have for a long time. So let me go over into my monitors. We have this new set of fancy, monitor I, really like this. This is a stream that I had going that set up, but the the.net community stand-ups are sort of think of them as an ongoing show. That is every single week, multiple times a week, so asp.net has been going for, like I, don't know, 100 some episodes guys time.

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What and I think that they started on YouTube, moved to twitch and did this multi stream and all over the place, and it was quite a blast, so we wanted to take that but expand it to all the different workloads Damion a few weeks ago was talking about how we were looking to do this. This has been a pretty good initiative for a while, and here.

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Comes golnaz coming.

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Appearance Mike's not on.

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Get louder Golnaz in every episode of donek community standing up the true hero, the true hero keeps.

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Us on the straight and narrow there.

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You go thanks, Glen for the for the update there I appreciate it so cool. We got Frank Kruger in the chat Clifford in there, whoa Juarez in their ancient coder and they're. All these people, amazing people. So what we wanted to do is take that and expand it to all the different workloads. So what you're seeing here is the YouTube page and you'll see the latest upcoming week right here when you go to the dotnet Foundation YouTube channel, subscribe to that he'll get all the Lotus notifications.

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So here we can see the the mobile dotnet community stand up is right here, then also what's cool is on the twitch channel, which we love, twitch very interactive, get all the stuff here we see the chats coming in here and when you go to visual studio, you can see that we're live. You can also see the events tab and when you tap on that you'll see all of the upcoming events and we're scheduling them about a month out.

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So when you tap on one, it will bring you right here into the series, so you can always bookmark this. You can get notification. There's usually a reminder button on upcoming ones, if you set it on the series you'll get notified for everything. So there you go, that's it so yeah! That's what we're gonna do. What do you guys thought of it? Yeah I think I think everyone's so busy distracted by the chats and everything like yeah.

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That's the thing we need to learn how to split our focus. I mean. Obviously we do meetings quite frequently yeah, but you know it's I've got both the YouTube and the twitch I'm still learning how delayed the stream is right. So.

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It's like okay, you're,.

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Sharing your screen you're talking about your screen, but what I'm looking at right here I can only see your faces and so yeah. So if anybody is wondering why I'm all that's, that's, what's going on I'm trying to figure out what's up yeah.

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It's a it's pretty, it's really hard I think I usually have a lot of one times. I was doing an essentials. Livestream on my twitch and Matthew joined the chat, so Matthew Leibowitz he was joining in and he goes man I just can't I can't deal with this delay. It's like 30 seconds and there's multiple settings, but I think we had tried a few of them and like the low low latency, just wasn't at the quality that people expect yeah.

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So Eugene asks in the chat before we go through some of this stuff and I'll go through some of the format too, because that's, why do we use Visual Studio? That's a great question! Well, so c-sharp Friz Jeff Fritz had set up the visual studio, account we're doing the visual studio and well, you know we're a part of dev div. So maybe people don't understand our for a little bit. Do you want to kind of talk about us a little bit go.

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Me just talk them over here: David David, talk, sure.

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So uh devta stands for developer division, so this is everything Visual Studio. So you know when I introduced myself, you know I didn't say p.m. of xamarin right off the top of the bat I said mobile developer tools within Visual Studio. So that's that's windows, that's Mac! It's really and there's tools that are that sit outside of that as well, but so that's how we fit within the visual studio family and how we, as at Microsoft, think about the products that xamarin brings to the table as well as other mobile products.

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You know it's, not all xamarin, there's Cordova, there's react native. Those things are not completely absent from our vision, so but our hearts, our souls, what we spend most of our time day in and day out working on, is absolutely xamarin. So that's a little bit of how we sit in the structure and then, of course, outside of dev div and the tools that we make then you've got. You know the windows team, the office team as your App Center, and things like that. Actually I, don't think App Center falls under dev tip.

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Does it that's? That's separate they're.

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Are at as your devil, yes, yeah and.

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You know under depth if it's also done that right. Hence the dotnet community stand up, so you have all the languages you have all the tooling of the cloud. Sdk integrations. So that's what we say: mobile developer tools, because we're we're literally talking about all the tooling the SDK is the integrations all these different things so like when Mandy says she's working on like the sam'l experience, it's it's it's kind of all of not only just amaren forms, but how does that mesh across I assume everything right? Madi, oh yeah,.

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Lots of them lots of them over here in dev dev, so.

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You know it's even though, even though we have these distinctions and everything, we are certainly one one nice happy Microsoft, so we collaborate a lot with these other teams across different orgs and I. Actually, just a funny anecdote this morning, I got a text from a friend who said: hey I have some power user suggestions for Outlook on iOS? Are you part of that team and a psyche? Man I? You know I wish I was involved in that. That's it's an awesome product, but that's not me so.

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Yeah, so so this is what we're gonna kind of do on these I think it's gonna be a fun adventure, so different teams are gonna join each week on these Thursday, so asp.net will be Tuesdays. We're gonna have different shows on Thursdays, so we're gonna try to be the first that we kind of got lucky because it's January there's five Thursdays, so we kind of got lucky in that regard.

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But you know we are going to attempt to be the the mobile network load, the first first Thursday of every month, and then we have run time tooling and cloud to run time and languages so c-sharp all different people will be on that. So Kendra will be on here. Andrew hall, rich land or emo.

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Kathleen dollar, like a bunch of people, Mads, hopefully from time to time, so a lot of people, and hopefully these will be the friendly faces that you see for the mobile dotnet. Maybe you friendly super friendly, look at the smiles, alright cool, so here's the show. Here's the flow of the the show and we're gonna be monitoring the chat. So, as you can see your eyes and you're going all over the place, but we want to kind of be an open dial.

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It's a community stand-up, it's not just like xamarin thing or a mobile or Microsoft thing. It's a community thing. So we have really three sections. So the first section we kind of follow exactly what the asp.net is. All the shows that you see in the dotnet community stand-ups are gonna, be very similar, so you're gonna have community kind of blog posts and cool projects and things that they're working on from the world of dotnet and specifically around mobile.

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So sometimes it may be done net but like related to mobile or just specifically on xamarin or something else, and then we're gonna cover all pull requests right, David. What are you gonna cover? Yeah.

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Yeah I'll cover some pull requests from across the different repos that we, you know that are open-source, and some of them will be contributions from internal. But we'll we'll have a lot of community contributions and it's almost hard to pick the ones that we have time to talk about that we're going to our best yeah.

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And I think you know good feedback. There is a comma is the balance right so definitely reach out to us on Twitter. All of our Twitter handles are in the the notes, I think on the twitch stream and on YouTube as well yeah and then we're gonna. Maybe do some demos from time to time. You guys are gonna. Do demos right. We.

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Got some Tito who.

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Are you, what are you gonna do Madi later well,.

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We have a brand new property panel to show you all inside a Visual Studio 2019 preview, um so you can use it today, but we'll show you some of the cool stuff that does well Dave will show us some xamarin forms shell, which is very exciting. Yeah.

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We have about a zillion links and community input things that we want to get to so we'll see we'll see how much time we have for everything yeah.

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I see how much oh well, let's go into it. I'm gonna pop over into to my desktop here and I have a that link. People may be like what is this weird akms link thing like I. Should I tape this into your browser right, you probably should well that's. What's gonna bring you I notice that the asp.net team use this thing called once a have you guys ever heard of one tab just today they may.

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Change your life so.

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What it does is you have all these tabs in Chrome open and you hit the one tap on. It. Just puts them all in one tab, and then it gives you that then you can restore them and you can have different sections and then also you can then share it on the internet.

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However, when I grab the one that you sent me late yesterday, I couldn't restore all the tabs at once. I could only click them. That's correct.

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My own tabs- yes, yes, that was.

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A bit of a drag that is correct, yeah, you thought I should pilot ticket, you have to control and then bump up up up up up up open all of them. That's what I had to do. You know kind of pain.

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This is what people see, so we can get all the links and all the things that were going to so the first thing I wanted to dive through is: is this really cool? Article from the interesting part is all of our amazing individuals have great names, just like my last name. Ontem I know that many people for 32 years couldn't pronounce so I apologize. Everyone we need yeah. It's.

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A flamer up front so.

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Ebz so of Jenny, did this really cool particle? We did. When did we do bottom tabs.

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Let's see that was one of the first f1 hundreds that shipped. If it wasn't three, oh, it was like three one I think yeah.

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The bottom tabs were probably one of my look at that and I believe.

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Is the contributor for that guy, okay, perfect yeah, and it actually says in his blog post. It says: Sam reforms 3.1, so there we go. This was one of my favorite is one of my big articles. I did it myself for a while ago- and he wrote this article on how to dynamically change the colors of the tab, because we have bottom temps and we have also you can set different colors right, correct yep. So.

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Problem here is that you may not want all of the same colors mm-hmm.

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Know a little customization so here are this really cool article on how to add an effect and a custom renderer to do this so in effect just on Android, no really custom code there and then also a little custom renderer on an iOS to do it. So it's really cool because you can just grab this code. You can see it's really really simplistic. There's like get selected tab set the selected cab, tab, color a little routing effect and then, to be honest, there's like nothing in Iran Android, it's in the shared code.

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You just keep called that android-specific. Maybe people don't know it like specifics are. Do you want to give it a quick overview? What those are real, quick sure.

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Sir, so when you, when you have a salmon forms architecture, the forms layer is an abstraction on top of those those platforms, and you can get to a lot of things that have been surfaced and made available in the API and xamarin forms.

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But but when there's something that you know, that native platform supports- and it's just not readily available to you- you can create a class called a platform specific, and then you can go into your platform code, the Android, the iOS, you WP, etc, and you can implement that and then back in the forms layer you can. You can use it so doing things like safe area in sets for iOS, when they release that it's very iOS specific and that's a platform specific you can put on any page. Similarly, I think that's.

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What is what he's doing here and I? Don't have the code in front of me, so is he consuming it in an effect or are they working separately? One platform uses a specific and the other platform uses an effect yeah.

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So what he's doing here is pretty cool and on the Android he does have an Android implementation of the effect that says set tint whenever the property changes, and then he just calls the specific so the Android specific. Now in iOS, though what he does here is he he very minimal code. It's literally set tin, color and what he does is he gets.

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The containers sub view looks for the tab bar sets the the tint color on it, which is just a property tint color, so just kind of dynamically setting the tint color so very simplistic, not too crazy, but it's cool because it looks really cool and interesting. You'll find it on github and it ends up being this really nice little boop-boop-boop. So you could change the colors whenever things are selected, pretty.

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Cool, let's see what else we have so another thing to me: it's kind of community cuz Matthews been in the community for a long time. An M fracture is this awesome visual studio for Mac extension and it does all sorts of things. There's a free version, there's a paid version, but if you have the paid version or boot up the trial, he wrote this in the team Matthew Robbins. They wrote this amazing image, asset manager for xamarin, apps, yeah I. Can't it's like really cool.

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No, that's only on Mac, though, but he has this really cool walkthrough of managing image assets. So, as cool here is, you can just easily look at all the image assets. You can add an image asset down through it and then it will create all the different all the different resolutions for you. It will show you all the different resolutions and I'll make sure everything is inside of it. It can even like show you the original size of it. Everything and dynamically put everything in the folders for you.

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It's super duper cool and then you can even optimize I. Think, like the different p and cheese and stuff, which is pretty.

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I do a crush for you, I, don't remember which library it's using for that, but one thing I noticed when I was looking at this was, it seems, to provide counts of how many times an asset is used or how maybe it's how many variations of an asset there are. So if anybody in the chat has used this feature and- and you can explain to me what those counts refer to you- that'd be pretty awesome, I think it's a little early for Matthew yet down in Australia, but maybe.

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Maybe he got up super.

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Super early, it's.

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A possibility, I'm gonna fix my link over here into the I- did a typo here, so the end of it is supposed to be the date. So, let's see, if I did this right, 19 and then let's go ahead and hit OK now, hopefully I don't stop the stream, because I'd be bad news for this on youtube.

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Just put it on YouTube I'm, gonna, I'm gonna put that over onto the onto the twitch as well. I do apologize for that. You know me classic James, just being I, don't I typed it wrong! Again! Oh geez! Here there we go. It's.

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The date that's why.

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There we go: oh gosh there we go 19 perfect there we go alright. Now we're set alright.

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This next one over here, which I thought was really cool, so I've been a longtime proponent of plugins and, put you a Lewis, I'm gonna. Try it try, attempt Lewis I was just Lewis. Has his last name so Lewis Pujols. He works at Cross geeks, which they've been writing all sorts of great content that a lot of amazing MVPs and people over there so Louis. He wrote this really great article and just how to create a plug-in. Have you guys ever gone through the exercise of creating plugins I.

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No I have any other, so.

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Well, that's perfect! Cuz! This article will walk you through exactly how to do it and- and it tells you exactly what it is so plugins are like this great concept that I I like to attempt to take credit for, but abstracting common, common or platform-specific code into a common API, and that's what xamarin essentials turned into all these different plugins in general. So, what's cool is that he actually walks you step-by-step on how to get started. With my cross-platform templates, you can watch my youtube video.

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If you want what the project structure will look like where you would put the code, how you determine what shared code versus platform code and, what's really cool, is it's not just about walking through and creating the plugin? It's about also downloading, like Oran, so or novotny's NuGet package manager, which is a phenomenal tool and how to publish it.

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You can publish it directly through there or you can publish it in CI and you can set it all up, but he walks you all the specific code, the CS project, everything you really need to get set up and push it out to new git, which I thought was super cool as you're going through here and the naming, and he also really walks you're like why he did it a lot of people like well. Why would you create a plugin right?

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Why would I need to do that and he walks through, like he's, creating multiple apps and he was creating just code that he wanted to share even just internally and you get to I. Think people, don't don't think about that. So yeah.

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I know a lot of enterprises will do just that heard from somebody recently asking for source link on Twitter and I said well. Why? And he said that they have a variety of libraries in their enterprise that they reuse over and over again, and it would really help debugging to be able to go directly to that code. It makes.

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Sense, hopefully we can do something about that. Yeah.

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I'll tell you about sourcing, so I've had a lot of conversations with the the debug teams, the mono teams and the IDE teams on this. So we integrated sourcelink. So people know what source link is. It's phenomenal, it's sort of a debugger, slash, IDE tool. So if you're using a new get and you hit a breakpoint and you have five and then you just set it to view you actually go into the code. It'll pull down the code from github based on the commits, and then your debugging through the code, yeah amazing right. So.

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The problem is, it doesn't really work with xamarin.

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Does work with the uwp and desktop apps and asp.net, but it doesn't work with xamarin, that's just because the our debugger is different right. So there's.

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Some work that.

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Needs to be done and it's not an internal tracker but prioritization right as always uh a thing, but that doesn't mean that you don't have to integrate it into your library. We do it already like and just put it in CI. So we do. It was Ameren.

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Essentials like.

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It's it's a nougat and then a few CS prog settings sweet all right. Few things that I wanted to talk about. This one was from things from Marco, not necessarily I want to say like a hundred percent for like just xamarin, but just how to handle exceptions. We love exceptions. Exceptions are.

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Right to hate exception,.

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Yeah, but he was reading on the gnome project from Frederico, a blog about how to handle errors and rust, and it started I had him thinking about him, making all these apps with xamarin. How do I handle a lot of my exceptions, so he kind of walks through okay. Your normal code may look like this, which is try. Do something display, alert, I, think all three of us are probably guilty.

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Say this is you know something went wrong right? It's, like god,.

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I read how to do that. Nemus teen magazine.

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His alert is very.

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Nice thanks for your patience. Oh that's, really really nice! How about the developer has.

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Been notified, you don't tell anybody.

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That's pretty good yeah, so so you probably shouldn't do that or you kind of think about how to restructure in it. So he started thinking here about how you could try to do something like try, execute and put a bunch of logic and do a common pattern so he's using refit here. But some of the code ideas here is what this would do is is you could have some common code? That's doing these restful service calls. So, for instance, it may check to see if there's internet it may give you a win starting.

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So maybe you do a little spinner. It will go off execute the task. Come back return if it's okay and you're you're, getting more concrete, okay exceptions and you can handle it instead of just throwing exceptions, all the time I thought that was kind of cool in general, again, not very zamarons. Was it more like kind of just dotnet II a bit which I thought was cool right.

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And Marco's mentions the Tailwind traders app, and that was one of the goals we had with that app was to provide some of those patterns and practices, because what we've learned is that when people see samples come from us like that, they expect to have a certain level of show me how I should write really good enterprise level quality code- that's gonna, you know be able to live for years and not bite me not getting me out of bed at 2:00 in the morning to fix a bug. Yeah.

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Yeah well and and I thought about that, and what I, what I found on top of this was another blog by John and our Dan jean-daniel John, sorry Daniel John, who kind of like on top of the structuring he created this library called HTTP tracer, which I thought was really slick and, for instance, you know the issue that I normally have with doing HTTP requests is I have to hit a breakpoint, and if it's successful, then I'll get the JSON map of as an exception, then I'd to put a breakpoint in the exception and and do this route, but I never know what's happening under the hood.

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So what do you wrote? It was this little library that you can just ingest into any dotnet application that just dumps it in the debug output. So you can see here it's actually going through and and putting out all the debug information. So all the threads that are started, then you see the HTTP responses and the JSON and it's only in debug mode. So all you have to do to your HTTP client is add a new HTTP trace or handler, and then you can pass at any logger implementation. Nice.

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Pretty so so, if I was doing this before, I probably would have been using postman or Charles proxy or some of those types of tools. I guess not not necessarily post and that's more for executing the that gets in the posts and whatnot but proxy. And what's that the other.

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Progress now Hitler Heather yeah.

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All these little tools, so it's kind of nice- just have it in your in your app so yeah yeah nice to have it right there in your output, so I'm moving on to some kind of beautiful design. If you will, if I like I thought, this was a really interesting blog post that came out right before the New Year's and there's been this like sort of ongoing, weird pulsing music theme, I kind of like it, since we were, is kind of really cool to follow the progression, so I'll kind of walk through.

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Are you guys both aware of this project? Oh yeah I.

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Saw this a couple weeks ago, I was like how about that.

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I was totally paying attention so a chat. This is the.

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Pause music, oh the layered design with skia, so.

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There was a design challenge like a niche from the Microsoft. You acts posted like this dribble post and Xavier was like I'm gonna, implement that so in August he implemented this beautiful sort of design, with skia sharp across iOS and Android and xamarin forms and in the readme it was like. This is not a real player, just UI so m FK l, which is the only thing that I can see their name from because there's nowhere else.

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I tread up like I spent like an hour searching for their Dame I couldn't find it, but they are contributor to the VLC. So the video LAN library for Fernet, which I didn't even know, existed, I knew it existed, but I didn't know it like officially existed, which is like playback of video and audio for, like all net. So what he did is he took that app and then just added the VLC Lib to it and added all the controls and open source it as an official sample.

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So you can see like updating in real time. So as he comes in, he shows a video down here of it playing. You can see the timer's updating and play pause forward all the times in real time, which I thought was kind of cool if you're looking for like a music player sample, that's pretty good yeah. So.

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Yeah and it looks awesome, I.

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Love, like the credit back to Anish and Xavier, and going on here, and you can just you- can find that you can. You can actually click deep into the video land, get lab project and and see all the samples and go in a little bit more about it, which I thought was really cool. Well,.

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And and I want to say this is our Xavier Xavier works with us now I'm so excited we got it. Yeah he's so talented he's working on the vs Mac team at time, but he's been a longtime contributor to Zaman forms, puts out some amazing blog content. Beautiful samples like this one here so so excited very.

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Cool I didn't know that even happens. It's okay yeah some people work emails like Oh like I interviewed or I'm, getting hired almost like. Oh that's, cool, yeah, I know. I. Do like me assume that you know I'm, like that's a pretty big company. I, don't know, I, know nothing so James.

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Is also surprisingly, isolated, I would in Redmond, because xamarin is yeah.

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Uncle dev-team.

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Is everywhere, that's.

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Very true James.

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Has to hold down the fort on the west coast for us I do.

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I, like you know, I like the 285 days of grey greatness in the sky. So let me continue. I got so much to cover here, oh, my goodness. Alright, so I got to give a shout out to Ryan Davis a longtime MVP. We worked with them specifically around xamarin essentials, and there are quite a few people that were like. Oh I, don't have interfaces, we went back and forth on interfaces and from a simplicity and like our structure and performance and just how we want to do. We didn't do any so.

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He created this website which I believe it's like it all. Just a web assembly site I'm pretty sure, but you can go on here and what it does. It lists all of the official releases of xamarin essentials and nougats, and it will give you a c-sharp file, which is your, which is your interfaces. So here I can open this with like vs code, for instance, here and forever at least cuz api's may change.

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We may be adding new new new ones in there and what's cool is that it gives you all of the interfaces stubbed out, that you can just pop right into your code and right away, but you also has this about up top, and that goes into the github of this project. So if you want to just introduce and add the coats, you dynamically, do it in your in your app. You can do it here, but he also published the new get on nougat.

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So it's the xamarin essentials interfaces and what that does is he keeps them in sync, with Ameren essential, so to be updated there. So if you want to do IOC or any of those crazies and all the all the things that the kids love these days, the kids, the kids, the.

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Dameron essentials, kids, you're, all you're, all kids compared yeah.

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These kids doing all their IOC and dependency injection and all that fancy stuff, so cool all right. So this one I thought was really. This actually is like very little to do with with mobile or doughnut I just thought it was cool, Marco, again pull back Marco, and this is not from for one 90s not magically in the future.

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This you know doing the dates right over there Marco this really cool thing where he wanted to build his own compiler, because Frank create a created, a C compiler because Frank, as we know, Frank Krueger just creates compilers for fun on the weekend for breakfast. So he wanted to create, like this simple kind of learn more about the compiler and learn more about system reflection emit. So it was very simple of just creating a hello world type of application that that adds or subtracts a number just you know going through that.

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So he walks through this. This language calls go to that about parsing semantic analysis. You know about the syntax tree all the things that are way over my head, which is why I have Frank, is my co-host on my podcast. It's way smarter than me, and it comes down to a very simple, simple process of being able to like hey. If I have this method, the idea is that I will increase a number and set it equal to each other and do this go to.

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But what I thought was cool here is that he also created a full IDE in the browser based on xamarin forms and Frank's library. We and aspe I'm, pretty sure it's the asp.net version here, so he calls a go to studio. So when you tap on that it loads this page, which is built in xamarin forms with webassembly look at Dave is like so confused right now and I'll.

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Prove to I'll go to the source.

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Sure I didn't know about this before so.

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Here's here's we we Jas and and- and here is his go-to statement in the mono Jas and xamarin forms core right. There yeah the.

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Reforms platform because Frank made, you know me made it out there so well, you can do, is you can come in and- and this is the the sample that he's that he has in there, so you can intern number hit the button and then it. The idea is that this will copy this number into y and then subtract it. So it's subtracting, it sets X to Y and then some magic will go to them. I thought it was so cool that it's like.

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Oh it's here and you can share this and you can go to help cool.

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Fine mind boggling I'm.

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Just I'm just so upset right now. Why are you sunset? What's wrong? It's all open! Sorry people need to tell me about this stuff. Well, I thought we have the dinette community stand up. That's.

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True, that's why we exist right. We can't be everywhere at once in my most recent survey, no, not the most recent, but there's a salmon forms 4.0 pre-release survey, if you use the templates or if you go to the blog you'll, see there's a link, so everybody needs to be filling that out because I read them and one of the questions on there is. How do you keep track of the news you.

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Going on- and you know not everybody's on Twitter- we get that sometimes it's for us a lot of blog post. It's a lot of your shows. James, you get comments so yeah anyway, this this is a new channel right here to keep people up to date, including myself. That's.

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Very true: it's a way to do it. I don't know: do you have any pro tips, Maddie I'm.

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Just sitting here fascinated how much stuff is going on and how much you guys know about all the stuff that's going on and just watching the chat pop by and chris is in here he's really enjoying the Frank Krueger community stand up. He says.

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Folks and mobile dev tools and devta vin the chat right now so I enjoy it enjoy it. While everyone's here don't.

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Start asking support questions all scattered. That's.

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Also, the advantage is that, like you know our community, not only just you know, inside of the of the done net team here and like the xamarin teens, say we're diet who loved us not me, that's our bread and butter right. It would.

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Be surprised how many people in like the UX research team at Microsoft and how many like program managers on other teams are jealous of how many people we have responding to surveys and like interview requests, because we come with these beautiful note from like all these. Just devs are nomads so, like all these cool careers- and they have this one, one other guy- that they work with in some shop and we get this awesome feedback and all the other PM's are like. My community won't give me this info.

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Amazing, lucky I was talking to a bunch of our awesome developers in the community around like productivity with the IDE and stuff like that and xamarin essentials to in and like the places that some of our devs liver, there's like incredible, like there's a fair that one guy's name I'm. So so Tara forget his name. He's on her streaming lives up something like tiny island off of Madagascar, so I want to go there like I want to go to Madagascar. First I want to come to your tiny island and, like dam.

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On some codes for to conference for two please so.

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Alright I got a few more ready for this. Let's see here so.

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This thing is amazing, I'm great on time, nope I'm, a minute perfect.

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So we have a carousel view: update coming correct, yes, carousel! Yes,.

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Layout, what what is common secure? It's.

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Called carousel view yeah so.

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We have one, we don't have. We.

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Don't have one yet it's gonna be in 4.0. You can see a preview of it. Yeah.

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We have a carousel page, we.

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Page now, yeah got.

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That one's like old and you guys didn't update it so.

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We actually had a carousel view that was released as an early preview.

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Ago, and they were concerns about it, you know, there's a whole history to this thing, yeah and- and so we finally have come back around to an implementation that we really feel like meets the expectations of users, yeah.

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That's what we're working on releasing now. Aside from that, there is the carousel page, which is built upon the page paradigm, and you can use it. It's not necessarily the most performant thing you'll ever get, but there's also plenty of other care, so views out there, which I have a feeling you're about to tell me something about one. That's.

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Right, if you don't want to wait for the official one, this thing is mine lines by Jean Marie. He this thing is phenomenal, so he had created this library called horizontal ListView, so think this before maybe our scroll view and our things yeah you're.

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Familiar with this.

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It bananas like so he added this carousel layout with Auto item sizing and column counts and everything to is horizontal issue, so you can have a linear, a grid or a carousel, and this thing is banana, so you have carousels you can do horizontal, but what I want to point out here is that now you can do different lists finite list grids inside of here, but it's all open source on github I did I literally just found this blog, and it like blew my mind right as you go through here, though, this thing is crazy, so Kay you're, like all right, there's this the list view here's this thing no big deal, but as you scroll further, he starts to get into reordering in the grid and he Hannah meat.

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It's like just built in like well, that's that's under its so and it handles notify collection change automatically it seeing as bananas.

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It's so cool, it's just like amazing. So if you're looking for something give this a look, because it's super cool when it uses collection to you and and recyclerview under the hood. So, given that it looks easy.

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I'm show notes how great the demo app is silly, due to the day you get a rape read them five stars. Five.

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Good favorite comedians.

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Moss is my favorite, probably big big fan all right. So another thing I wanted to point out here is Luis who I met when I was at the Caribbean Jeff calm phenomenal individual. He created a few different things that call in this to xamarin, Universal library. There's a lot of these like awesome libraries.

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But what it is is a beautiful github page that will show you how to get access to all these great articles, books, ebooks, podcasts tools, videos, if you're looking for a good place to start it's really cool and there's on top of that, there's they're working on a website right now, they're doing like a blog of the month. Every day in February they have a Facebook group, whatsapp group, a LinkedIn group. He just has groups everywhere, so nice beautiful community group. So you can lean to that.

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Aniyah's like this contributor badge, which is super cool and it's not affiliated with us, but it's a cool logo. So nice, alright Lee bless through some of these. We got some cool tweets. Some books, good friend, Daniel MVP, came out beautiful forward by Jason. It was one of our co-creators of xamarin forms released a new book. It's on a packet pub for crating xamarin forms projects, I think that led to a bunch of other people I want this to be a trend like what books. What articles are you reading part.

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Of the hundred.

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Days of code Nick here also tweeted out some of his favorite books, and it looks like you had a little shout out here: David as well. I did.

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But but my name is only on it because I wrote a little forward. It's actually.

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On Snyder's.

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Book so all right.

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There that's clear.

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I didn't write the book forward.

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By tiny I just told a story, ed Snyder up top another, no.

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Ed did a great book and there was another one on there as well right yeah. There was Gerald's.

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On here as well, who did the Dameron forms essentials not to be confused with xamarin essentials? There you go yeah I mean.

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A few other cool ones, just kind of cool tweets that we found I, want to say Michael or could be Macau knocking I'm, not gonna, go Mike's, candy, Mike's candy on Twitter. He found this cool app that he won and he wanted to sort of create this view in in xamarin. So he started to tweet out his progression of it. Building these beautiful things over in Ireland, he started creating these beautiful that kind of progress, views and then later on, he tweeted again. Would it look like when he was all done this beautiful video 416?

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It's it's a kind of a stunning sort of animation that he has on here of loading and stopping and starting it's pretty cool.

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Performance you can get with those animations in skia within xamarin is just it's fantastic, yeah.

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I love it a few other things in here that I like so sometimes we got to take the bad with the good I, really like this series by Damien I sitting down with developers and asking them hey what are kind of the things that you want to see improve the things that bother you every single day, and this is great feedback for the team. So the team has been reading these articles so yeah.

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You know I, don't know, but Maddie, maybe that you feel this way too, when I read survey feedback when I read online feedback. This you know it's always nice to hear positive things. No doubt about it. Yep makes you feel it makes you feel like you can get out of bed in the morning, but the stuff, that's actually the most useful, are blogs like this, and when people share their frustrations with us, hopefully in a constructive way, sometimes.

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Know it's a little because it's very personal, you know it's like my day. That's the stuff that is so actionable and very, very useful for us. So every time I speak to people and I'm doing it right now, I tell people just you know, unbridle. Your thoughts tell me what's going on.

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Yeah, how many quotes sorry, okay, like how many quotes we use from these blogs and from when we talk to people and from surveys of like big, bold text, bright red, like look at this quote, look at what we are learning from all these people and like how how many people will rally behind like one or two thoughts that we hear over and over yeah.

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And you know- and it opens up really really good in that constructive way. It's like we all love xamarin. We want to make it better and like we're just sitting down and just kind of talking, you got sometimes gonna. Take the good in the bad there's always positives and negatives and I think it's good for the team to see, and it's always nice not like a bash right, the the worst of any language.

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Any technology is a bash without like talking with the teams and to like hey like we're here to like hang out and like jad. Like you know, let us know, what's going on so I think that's kind of good, it's kind of a nice little article series, it is yeah, I, dig.

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Reminds me of something that I heard a man silver talking about when she was talking about Visual, Studio, 2019 and the things that the team has been working on. She framed everything their challenges. We know what our challenges are. You know these are the things that we're working to improve and being able to acknowledge what our challenges are. Is I, don't know, there's, probably a seven steps of grief here or something, but you know it's it's one of those necessary steps to get us to where we all want to be yeah.

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How we make the product better is by talking and listening to the amusing community that are actually out there, building apps every single day right. So yeah, all right last thing here and then David's gonna take over is I thought. This was so cool David found this from Andre who decided to build a website to browse the xamarin forms source code.

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We have great documentation and API Docs, but he used Carol's, who I said I said: Carol, Carol, Carol's, source browser and what's cool is that you can click on this and go over in into here, and you can actually look at all of the the source code easily. All you know organized which I thought was really really cool so, instead of having to go into github instead of having to pull down the code and just browse the source right, it's just boom. This would be a nice github feature. Just like you know: yeah come on.

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Yeah I'm on that get honest, I saw on Twitter yeah people were asking for that to be a github teacher, I think somebody tweeted write. It write it. Mr. Nate Friedman a freeman get on that.

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Gonna text them later all right cool. You want to go through some of the the PRS, both community and stuff, that we're doing we'll. Let you share your.

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Screen over there.

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I'm gonna give.

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Me a thumbs up when we're good your.

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Your gravy, your grave, no one can see anything now all they see is github. What are we looking at? So.

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Here's what we're looking at I'm gonna go through these different PRS across github, our properties there and highlight a few of the things and I'm gonna blow through these, because we're running short on time and I have a meeting. But the first thing we've got here: I have a list of the f-100 s, and for those of you who are unfamiliar f1 hundreds is these Ameren forms. 100 little paper cuts those things that bother. You frustrates you on a day-to-day basis and we started creating some specs. Some of the specs are quite small.

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Some of the specs are more full-featured, but these are things that, if you're looking for an opportunity to contribute, come in here and look at the F 100's look at these Help Wanted Zoar up for grabs, which we probably need to do some housekeeping because they kind of made the same thing. But you you filter on this, and you can see all the stuff that is just sitting out there, and some of these things might be very easy for you to do.

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Maybe you can just pull this out of an existing project and at least it's a starting point and you can work with it with with the internal forms team, the core team to get these things done so I highly recommend you check this out, and this has really been the the source of where a lot of the forms forward progress has been. You know, James. You asked me about the bottom tabs and.

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Know I had to really do some calculation there, because we've had we're on 3.4 now so three, three one three two we've had so many releases. We've been releasing approximately every six weeks since last year, and so we've had a fantastic cadence, it's hard to keep track of where all these things have been landing so yeah so highly recommend you look at that. Okay. So, let's get into a couple of these individually. So here's some pull requests.

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This is from Gerald their sluice I, don't know if I said your name last name properly, but I I met Gerald, maybe at the MVP summit, but I certainly hung out with him when I was at Tech arama and the Netherlands, and he has been a busy boy. So apparently he has a project where he needs to use a picker he's got a color for the picker title, so you know if you've ever done any picker work and you're like man, how do I colorize a lot of these pieces and parts of that UI?

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This is the PR for you so makes it easier to do that. I have actually code that I had used in the past and probably most of us do that uses an effect to apply these sorts of things. So that's really cool and then he spent some time blogging about it. So.

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That link in the one tab as well, so you want to get the down-and-dirty I mean anytime, you UPR something and it gets. You know it's getting merged. You absolutely need to be blogging that stuff. That's.

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The stuff I love to see is like I did that I'm about to talk about I'm, sure, you're gonna talk about my check box, I'm gonna blog an entire series on how I did that thing, but this stuff right is so cool. I. Think also like the experience of sending out your first PR and going through the reviews is like a cool experience. Absolutely.

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And we want to hear what that experience is and I've done some interviews of people in the past about what your experience has been contributing because we want to make it as smooth as possible. But you know we have our own struggles of balancing.

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You know how much time do we spend reviewing and working through PRS and how much time do we spend fixing bugs and improving the product? And things like that so but Gerald is not done. Gerald also has another picker PR here, like I, said he has a project where he's using some Pickers, so this one is to disable suggestions for all Pickers. So you know when you get that keyboard popping up, you get the misspelled.

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In the in the suggestions, so this is a way to disable that quite easily and then again he's on fire. It's the Gerald show the.

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Gerald show today this.

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Is one that I really really like and I know, there's another plug-in out there for HTML label? This one does.

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Much the same thing: labels now in iOS and Android in particular, and perhaps you to be use well, natively support rendering a lot of HTML. So you almost don't even need to do any kind of translation, or you know, fancy formatting of translating HTML into formatted text or anything like that. So I'm excited to see this one get in there. It's just gonna, be so convenient to be able to. You know, bind an HTML string into a label and easily get your formatting. That way. Personally, you know I've got 20 years plus of development experience.

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A lot of it was web, and sometimes you know, an HTML string is just an easy way to do it. I know: I've used API is in the past, where the source text strings, that I get are formatted in HTML, as you would expect. So this just makes displaying that stuff so much easier and there, and then somebody.

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Mean guy James, Monta I want to.

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Heard of that individual before no.

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Do you do you love? You live love.

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Code and I get that tattooed.

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On my arm actually, and are you a Morris code in.

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Yeah, so this is actually not gonna lie. It's a it's a request. We have received many times: hey I want to check box, hey I, wanna check box. Of course, then you know what follows, after that: hey I want a radio button and the reason this wasn't in the box at launch and since then is because iOS doesn't actually have a check box. All.

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Android, has it now I, don't remember when they they added it, but it got at it and then UDP has a check box and of course, other platforms have check boxes as well. So it's time it's high time that we have a check box and I think this would be a nice easy, useful thing for people. Of course, you could have always just used images and toggled that you could have used switches.

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There are several other ways to to get this done, but having a control, that's named, what you expect it to be. The box is just there's right. Think.

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There are check boxes in the check box, pull requests to see like see the like the github check box and a look at the check boxes. All of those beautiful search boxes yeah so.

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I'll be interested to hear you know and see your blog posts about how you did this, especially on iOS, where it's not a native deal. Frank Frank.

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Did it that's what happened.

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Frank did it yeah ice thanks, Frank Frank.

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Kruger show yeah.

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Hi first, my very first xamarin evolved I was walking down the hall and somebody says hey: what's your topic, cuz I was speaking on iOS animation, core.

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The very first thing somebody says to me: oh, do you know Frank Kruger? You need to talk to Frank Kruger. He knows all about that stuff. I'm, like dude I'm, the one speaking on come on who's, this Frank Kruger guy it turns out Frank Kruger is awesome. Yeah, there's.

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My most of my trips to Seattle and at Frank Krueger's place that makes sense.

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That's every night for me just hanging out Frank a.

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Couple more here changing a span default binding to one way now this is one that I'm hoping to drive some conversation to Andrei in Romania, which I actually did a remote presentation to his meet-up recently, and that was a lot of fun. I really appreciate him, setting this up he's a common frequent contributor to xamarin forms, but this is one where it's like: okay, everywhere else, the binding default mode is is different than it is here on spans, and this was done for performance reasons.

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It was a discussion that was had and it was a decision that was made but Andres saying hey. This keeps biting people, people and we have seen people run into this, so it could be that it's just a learning thing but come come to this issue. Comment on it. Let us know what you think: should we make this one time? Should it be one way, Archie I'm? Sorry, it's one time now. Should it be one way et cetera, want to see some conversation there, a couple more and these are essentials PRS.

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So we've got one here that adds the shake API and initially he proposed it on device, but I see that down here discussion was had and I believe it's being moved to accelerometer. Is that right, yeah.

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So this one, we have a pretty big discussion on so shaken device and how we should do is so we're gonna, be like talking a little bit more in depth about it in general. Just because what we want to do is make sure that, like it makes sense for people so we're kind.

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On this is some feedback if you've implemented, detect shake API into your app. Let me know so: yeah right now we're thinking about putting an accelerometer, so we would actually just use the accelerometer itself and not use the C Android and Windows don't have specific api's, but iOS does so. But you have to like hijack your your view or whatever so I think it's it's a discussion we want to have, and that's one that we're it's on our map to bring in.

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But it's definitely gonna go Matthew's been definitely been pinging it, but we moved it into the accelerometer cuz. It kind of makes sense there. We think, but we want something fees baggage. All.

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Right cool so jump on there, everybody! Let us know what you think. We got another essentials, one here, something that Prashant asked for and actually I moved back to his issue because he described it and here's the P R. So this is from Nikolas and it's a it's browser. Customization API, is to add color to the title. Background controls things like that, so James. What do you know about this? One yeah.

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So this one's cool we went back and forth with Matthew as well. Samantha is one of our main tabs on the uh nacelle with john dick and me, and what we decided is where we added all these crazy extensions, but what we decided to do is bring in unfortunately, dependency for iOS, because the system drawing color lives in open TK. So we had to bring that in so instead of creating our own color, like xamarin forms has its own color.

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We don't want to do that, so we are in the final stages of updating this code to move away from his custom implementation of a color, because we don't need another, our BGA in our life, no more colors. We don't need an essentials. Color, I, sort.

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Yeah and we're really close, so we have some final rev on this- that we see there with John and we should be able to pull this in literally into probably one 100, so I'm.

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Excited yeah all right, cool yeah I saw that essentialist, color and I kind of cringed, but I knew calmer or heads. We prevail a couple of other PRS that are kind of sitting and they've been around for a bit mostly because they're more substantial and they required some discussion. But we have a lot of positive consensus that these things will be happening not in forw but hopefully in the release. Shortly after that, one is media element hear from Peter Foote and it provides just that base.

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If you, if your UWP developer, this is going to be quite familiar. I think to you provides that base element for playback of audio and video.

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Now you know you mentioned that dotnet API earlier with the the pulse music thing, I'm gonna have to go back and have some discussions and see where that overlaps, because I was very cool and very interesting, and then one more here and then I'll wrap up a camera view control, and this is from Pavel, who has been working with us and contributing quite a few of the f1 hundreds, which has been amazing.

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But you know, I can't count the number of apps that I have done where I have a custom, camera view and I just want that base camera piece to be taken care of. For me, I don't want to learn what the new Android camera API is, which, my goodness, have you looked at, how much code that thing is. It is a pile and not a pilot. You know it's a long long amount of code I made that sound, really bad, maybe a minute.

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I meant to maybe.

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A lot of Guardian.

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Thing right there, a.

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It is so I would love to have this and I have pulled down the build of this PR I have used it not extensively, but I got it. Working and I'm excited to see this happen. I think the main thing with this one in particular was we wanted to make it command friendly. Currently, it's mostly events if I were call and so make it more mvvm friendly that way and it'll be really really nice. So that's what I've got I tell you what you know.

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We've already filled an hour and we've got so much more yet to go. We're not gonna have any problem filling these times, but.

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We were worried yeah at.

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This point, I am actually going to have to say goodbye. I have another presentation to give here in two minutes. So I will share demos later.

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Next month,.

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David, there's always next month, always.

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Next and it'll be even better next month, I'll share I'll tweet out some some videos, but Maddy I think it's your turn. I think it's demo time.

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Well, David, thanks for joining that's awesome, have a good call enjoy yeah.

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Good luck for stay with you.

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Alright I'm gonna take over. Here we go James.

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Hangs out because I it's been running, teams and everything I've been doing has been on my other computer. So this this poor guys, probably a little sleepy but we'll see what happens. So. This is the Visual Studio 2019 preview, build which you can all download today, just search on the interwebs Visual Studio preview, because the link is like more than one word but yeah. You can tell right here.

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You can install it side by side with Visual Studio 2017, so it won't screw anything up which is great, and then you can test out all of our new features as we ship them and we are just getting ready to ship out the second preview so even more to come to show next month. um But the big thing that I want to show you all today. Is this lovely property panel right here so I?

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The the mobile dev team has been working on a cross-platform property panel, so something that you can see in and all your different IDs for Android for iOS, for forums on Mac on Windows, and we just got it hooked up for forums on Windows, which is a huge deal so I kind of want to play around with it with all you today.

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So I made this really ugly login screen.

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Of it, thanks literally.

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The blank forms op template with a couple entries and a button stuck on it, um but I wanted to show you some of the cool things that we have. So my favorite, of course, is the color picker. So you just kind of go on down here. I love purple. So let's make this stack a nice dark purple. It's gonna, take a second, alright, give it a sec there we go sweet, um that's my, but some other really cool ones. You know you can add some padding.

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So if I wanted to add you know side, padding I can do these two right here. I can do my top padding on this little box and feel free to drop your questions as I go through this I will catch up to all of them towards the end. um Give you all a chance to ask yes, so you know see some little padding pop up.

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That's so nice I can go into like my button move around my vertical options so, like I, don't know why this button is so far down, so maybe I want to like start and expand it. Maybe I, don't love that I'll move! It to a center and expand- um and it just replaces it right here in your zamel. This is real, not fake, it's great and then the other really cool thing is we've just started.

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Getting the collection editor to work so say: I want to implement zooming for this view, for whatever reason, I can actually go down here. To this gesture, recognizer hit my little dots, I'll, add a pinch. Gesture recognizer. Add that hit okay, puts it right here and with the lovely power of intellisense I can just you pinch updated, and it will create my event handler for me put that in my c-sharp back-end right there that quickly, it's beautiful, um yeah and there's a bunch of stuff.

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We still want to implement on this so like if I pop back up into my stock panel, like I, have searching so I can do like font. Well, there's no fun in the stock panel, but I can do like effect and that'll pop up. um We don't have categorization yet though, so that's something we really want to get feedback on like what kind of categories you want to see what your favorite controls.

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On one category and it's empty string.

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And- and you can see I have you know, I have my preview up. My toolbox up got the whole happy family inside Visual Studio. So now.

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Maddie, do you need to use that with the part of the preview or if people are not using the preview, or do you doesn't still work without that being open? Oh, it.

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Still works, don't worry, you can see even more of your code, so you can see like I'll go back in and I'll change. My vertical options again put it back on start and expand. It chase it immediately, which is great.

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um There are definitely like some people are picky about how its formatted, so all of that feedback you have. We would love to hear it. You can actually just go in a visual studio, help send feedback, it's super easy, it doesn't even make you leave the IDE and then you can just go to suggest a future and it pops up. This website mmm already sent for you to go, which is great and if you have any bugs you find it'll attach all your logs for you, it's so nice.

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It makes it very easy to debug, but this is the preview page. So, if you're interested in trying this out, it's just a download, it's it's side by side. I won't score anything out. So.

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um Stalls e79 in the chat ass. Isn't this like some of the default experience like with you know, WPF designer it looks familiar. Maybe you can talk about sort of the the history of xamarin forms and like you're, showing a lot on the screen you hit, show the preview or the property like all the different areas on your screen. Maybe it's because we didn't always have everything that you're seeing here. It's true.

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Yeah so I mean xamarin forms right is just it's a new zamel, it's a different type of zamel with you know different words than what you see in uwp and WPF um and the whole point of it is to be cross-platform, but because it's a different sam'l, then you know what came with you WP and WPF. None of the tools that we saw from like the designers and the property panel and the toolbox work with it.

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So in kind of Thea's, Amran, cross-platform vein, the things like the property panel was developed separately to to work on Mac, which it's you know that implementations still work in progress. So hang tight for that. But um you know the previewer is kind of its own thing. The toolbox is its own thing and all these things come together to hopefully make a really good productivity story so with the previewer that was kind of our first big bet a couple years ago. um You know designers are really hard to build and they're really hard to build.

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Well, so we thought why? Don't we just give you something that I'll at least show it to you quickly and live, and we know that there have been a bunch of people giving a lot of really good feedback on the previewer dependency injection stuff, we know is an issue. People want to see different form factors and I love hearing that, because that is our main focus really um for Visual. Studio 2019 is making this a really awesome tool.

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The toolbox people were like hey the xamarin Forbes controls are like so close to the UWPD controls, but not quite and I can never remember. So we made you this little toolbox, so you can remember- and you can actually just drag this in and put things in here with a little snippet, which is great and of course this is mad at me, because my zamel was just really fake. So now we're back and and no the document outline I see something the the sample from the visual tree.

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So that's a huge thing we hear a lot too is. Is the document outline? So some people might be familiar with that pops up here and it has your stock layout with in uwp your stack panel with all your stuff inside of it, you can kind of drag and drop it around. That's something else. We really want to get your feedback on and see how important that is to all of you, because the more we hear you complain about it, the more compelling it is for us to do something about it. I think.

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And I think in Visual Studio for Mac I believe there is a document outline they're.

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Just like magically.

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Of somehow of how Visual Studio for Mac a word like it just pulled it in or like we need to do some custom work here, but I think what we're kind of working on the important parts in- and you know, I- think here, the the property panel right. It had needed to be re thought about, for how we're doing all of those values and specific for xamarin forms and different inheritance. You just couldn't reuse a lot of the code and the team's working on that and I know in the previewer I assume.

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You know the latest bits, but I know that we're work. We've been working on a lot of things. There I'm fairly confident we can talk about a little bit about what we're doing there. Yes,.

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There's stuff that's coming out in preview too, so that's that's fair game. We are I, know a huge issue with the previewer and anyone who's done. Customer interviews with me over the past couple months, I've heard me talk about this- is that you have to build your project before it works before it does. You know, live reload, not reloading, but live like updates of your display, so we finally built the previewer so that it doesn't have to build your code anymore to work.

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So it won't show your custom controls, but it will show you know just a really quick, easy way out of your project of your view and hopefully that will improve a lot of the reliability issues that people have been experiencing with it. So that's coming out in preview too, so we're really excited something else that Pierce boggin tweeted today Intelli code now works completely out of the box of xamarin forums. So that's not a previewer thing. That's an editor thing, but instead of intellisense being alphabetized, it's gonna learn from you.

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What you use the most and an old you know, put those kinda at your top of your intellisense suggestions and it'll be way easier. I think Clifford had tweeted back and said that I know he hopped up earlier, but he didn't even realize it was there and it's been so helpful for him. So yeah.

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A really cool thing coming coming that should be pushing soon too yeah.

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I think on the on the the preview product you and I, we've done so many chats with developers over the months. I really understand that Jim is Jeff at Jeff. Jones has been bothering me on Twitter forever he's in the chat about what are our direction. Where are we going? And you know if the thing with the designer that designers are extremely hard extremely brittle and the the problem is usually with running custom code right and that's the problem that we see all the time with with the previewer is like out of the box.

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Actually, showing you the Android surface or an iOS surface, you're connected to a Mac and for the property panel. We got a question about like how does it work with custom controls and inherited types and those just work? Yeah.

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There's some the magic that are being able to investigate some of the code there, but the problem is those are just sort of reflecting on the types it's not necessarily having to render things in real time and having an interactive service. All right, I think you and I've always talked about interactive service versus not interactive service and the things we want to do there so like when you look at this screen that things that we've done is like man, you were showing off like the intelligent.

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We completely redid the intellisense, a hundred percent from the ground up that works going over to vs from AK in the near future. I don't have a date on that, but we're bringing all that and tell us. That's goodness right! That's a big thing! That's.

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Huge in January uses, Mac, I'm, sure, I've heard a lot of people have both because they use windows for intellisense and Mac's, with a previewer yeah.

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Heard that yeah.

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And then all those things right, which is like all that dependency injection all the custom code like what happens on this page? If you invoke, you know a compass controller accelerometer like what happens, you know in general, so there's all that type of stuff. It's kind of interesting to think about that cause Deutsch. So what we're doing kind of what you mentioned is like this new I guess we call like a light mode or a low fidelity mode. I think we've come up with a name for it, but I think of it as like.

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A fast preview does that seem.

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Yeah I've been saying fast preview, full preview kind of what I've been doing with ya.

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And the idea there is, let's say you add a bunch of custom controls are a bunch of like the ideas. It doesn't run your code and then that, if you add a custom control that it can't render for some reason like a map or something it just shows a box right like you, don't need it it's just. It should be SuperDuper, quick and then, of course, you know we have to bring this all across platforms. That's a whole other thing to think about so yeah.

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Yep, it's a good time, though lots of cool things there's we all have heard all of the feedback that comes in about xamarin forms and all the tooling that goes with it and feel free to tweet at me, tweeted, James, tweeted, David and with any ideas you have and definitely submit them in here, because we do look at every single suggestion that goes in through Sun feedback. Actually, I looked the other day.

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The mobile dotnet group has one of the highest percentages of like responded to feedbacks, whether it's put on our backlog or you know something we have to say like. Oh this. You know this can't work for X reason, but you.

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Do respond and we do really go through all of those things, so you will be heard. Promise like.

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That yeah, we had some pretty good questions in here you have a I'm seeing like yeah there's a lot of work that goes cross-platform yeah.

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Of the logical check this visit, this Vista send send me a tweet about your logical tree stuff that you want I want to get some more details or you can send me an email, a lots at Microsoft, I'm, moti, Xia, Microsoft comm. Let.

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Me run a DMA ddy at Microsoft.

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So I think our biggest thing like javis on my productivity gains. Sometimes just hiring people is in the solution, but I think that that's our number one focus is tooling and productivity gains I. Think we're really I'm pretty excited about what we're doing. We have a bunch of stuff that I can't talk about. So that's probably the other thing is. We can only say things that are there, but what else were job? We're gonna have like a device selection in this right and Sony.

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Tablet, we're gonna, give you not just phone and tablet anymore. You're gonna have real devices and resolutions to pick from maybe.

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A real control I like that all right cool. Let's go back to some dual screen action. If you want to stop. Oh.

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Yeah, let me figure out how to close your face. I think it's this one yeah and we're back and.

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We're back all right cool nobody put that there.

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There we go perfect so.

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Let's see I was.

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Also questioned when xamarin form spore is released. Tweet David, you I, don't know, James doesn't answer I. Definitely don't.

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Wow he will no yeah I, think with Sam reform. Sorry I, don't think we're talking about necessarily like a release. Date: honor I, weren't preview right now, so we're getting feedback so what's in there and the next stream so next month, we'll have we'll make sure David. This is our first ones. We have so much content. We really want to try to grab in there and figure out the flow, so we're going to make sure that we're hitting our times between an hour 90 minutes maximum and for zan reforms.

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400 that you know, there's a lot of previews I need to go into and we'll keep doing, previews and new versions of it here and there, and you know we need to rev on stuff. So the collection or the carrot collection views in there. The carousel views in there visuals in there a whole bunch of stuff right. So something to think about just in general, there's a lot of lot of stuff. One thing I want to show me: I'm gonna, show you this.

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You can't see it, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna show everyone so I have where's my pen. This.

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Someone's talking about zamel styling, so Haden in here was talking about sam'l styling in here and I found. This really great extension for visual studio. I saw a tweet about skalds animal styler. I was gonna, talk about it, but it's extension and they just came out with 2017 or 2019 support I'm in 2017 here and what's cool, is that sam'l styler? You can go into your tools, options and you have all these settings down here for like what you want.

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So do you want spaces and how many spaces and tolerance and lines and newline exceptions and namespace things, and do you want, like you, know commas, for thickness, separator or padding or what are your different things that I have xamarin forum stuff in here too, which is cool. So what I like, though, is like this is our default xamarin essential stuff, like things, are on different lines.

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Some things are on the same line and I can just right-click on it and say format zamel, and it puts it into like beautiful standard zamel, which I think is super cool and, for instance, even in an alpha. You can have an alphabetizing and do a bunch of stuff, so here, for instance, if I decide that I want someone comes in and they had spaces for the margin. Instead of commas, I can say format, code and it'll put it in for me automatically Mandy can't see this, but it's pretty cool I'm.

C

Watching the stream- sorry, it's just ten seconds behind ya.

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So it's pretty cool that you can do stuff like that, and you can have it alpha tiser. You want things in certain order. If you want some consistency, but I feel like your whole team has to do it. You know, but I thought that was pretty cool, yeah anyways. That's my.

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We do some questions. Mr. XJ Kaz cool. When you say the same thing is WPF boarder grid. Do you mean in the property panel? Do you mean attributes on controls? You can tweet me or email me or James Madi, with a Y and motts with a Z at Microsoft comm. You want to follow up on that obey.

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Because you can add like row, columns and yeah.

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In row, definitions.

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Isn't anything that you can do right? Is there and I? Think like we were talking about the third party controls? Did someone tweet about it? Working with the telluric controls, just just worked yeah. It.

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Does it just worked out of the box and they were like? We don't know why this is working but very exciting. um Yep gee thanks next Samara mobile community stand up is the first Thursday of the month very exciting. um What do we have on the YouTube anything over here.

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Core questions well,.

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Sam done support on that core. Well, Dennis was asked about that. Well, so the thing is like the runtime is the runtime in hour. Runtime is our runtime in general, there's a lots of optimizations that go into every runtime for the mono runtime, but just because you would your dinette core target specific platforms and you're creating a UI off of it, but know that, like if you write code for a dotnet core application on Linux like if you put that into dotnet standard library, you could just bring that into a xamarin application.

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Yeah right I mean that should work done.

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Sounds like it should work, yeah.

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It is in Adana, standard library, yeah.

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Try it out, let us know how do you I'd be a great blog for next month, yeah.

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I wouldn't see why not, if you want to do a majority of your like back-end development on it, I wouldn't see why not. It's just c-sharp at the end of the day, use vs code to do your c-sharp back-end, probably not your UI right because of no UI stuff there, that's tooling at that point, and the runtime is independent of running that code, because we have a dynasty under 200 compatibility. So all of your donna standard code that would run on dotnet core would run would run there in general.

A

So, but if you're looking for something tennis, like specifically, you know, he's tweeted me like I'm looking for the specific thing and see where that makes sense, I think with other platforms. It's harder right, because the amount of work and some of the feedback even just to get iOS working on Windows is a lot of work to get that working. We get lucky on Mac, because Android and iOS are there.

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Then there's no, you know window. So it's like on Linux there's only Android, then it's a whole whole there's no visual studio, besides BS code. So alright.

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The down net community stand up so they're gonna, be every single asp.net is every Tuesday different times and on Thursday we'll have mobile the first Thursday. Let me go to the YouTube here. If you go to the dotnet foundation, I guess twit just.

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Me better, let me go to my pip here. So if you go over here, this is you just go to the events page and you'll see all of them here, so the upcoming ones. The time you can get reminders I got one right on my phone. That was like hey it's starting you're, starting because you get the stream button cloud. We do languages in run time.

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If you tap on one of these, you know we'll cover duck framework, Donna core languages, CLI tooling, is going to be Visual, Studio, CLI, Rozlyn productivity and then cloud will be like as a AI ml containers, but all around Donna yeah yeah.

C

No yeah and definitely tweet at us or email us when you find more cool stuff to share, there's no shortage of it, but we always like to keep our ear to the ground of the community. We don't want to just be finding this in isolation, so yeah.

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I think I'm, seeing.

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If there's anything else, I know.

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I'm, looking in the windows, anything else before dense dense almost ninety minutes, yeah.

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Definitely yeah thanks everyone for all the the chassis. This video will be on youtube on the dotnet foundation youtube. So when you go over to Donna foundation, you'll see them all here. So there's the one live stream and then here's the upcoming ones.

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See already the languages ones will be here and then what's cool is that you can go and we'll put it in a playlist, and you can see all of them here as soon as as soon as it's over it'll be there. So you can watch back all the glory of all the awesome community so well, we want to thank you, the community right more than anything you make this possible we're just on here talking about all the awesome stuff that you do seriously.

C

Thank you all so much. We really appreciate it all the all the work, all the feedback and all the help that you all give each other I mean looking in the forums. It's just like awesome all the time. So it's great and you make everyone else in devta, very jealous of the xamarin and the mobile dev tools team. So.

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Well, Madi thanks.

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Showing off some stuff and monitoring the chat and and helping out so next.

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Three of us- hopefully we'll be here, we'll see if we have some more xamarin monkeys hanging out. Of course, there's awesome stuff check out all the done that community stand-ups I'm on twitter at james amount to magno Madi.

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Yep I'm Madi Legere 1le ger. There.

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The world huh I know.

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Was a tough, it was a tough choice. I was like do I, do something funny or do I do my name with a number one.

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It's good thing: you didn't do two, because one though great well thanks everyone for.

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Out Madi have a great afternoon over there and Boston.

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I'll talk to you.

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Later, thanks and thanks to G for setting this all up in.

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The background thank golnaz.