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Join the Mobile .NET Teams for our community standup covering great community contributions for Mobile .NET, Xamarin, Xamarin.Forms, Components, and more.

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All right and we're live welcome everyone to another xamarin community stand-up work-at-home edition. We got our monkeys out.

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Oh salt back there huh Sebastian's here joining us alive from the quarantine zone and we're trying to do setup over here. We got um we have there, we go. We have a crazy setup. We got my skype set up over here. I got my personal scat set up over here. ah Well, welcome to this. Your first Donna community stand up. We do these twice a week, Tuesdays and Thursdays, and now we're actually doing them.

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Three days a week we just had our first EF core community stand up yesterday: Oh Jeremy licinus and team, which is super fun. So if we joined that be sure to go to live dotnet, you can get all the show notes. The upcoming events- things like that, but my best friends in the entire world, Madi David and Shane how's it going everyone hey.

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I'm in my crazy and we have Skype I, feel it I think I think doing it via Skype is my new favorite thing with this guy Skype Skype? Oh.

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Jeez, it's even better than blurred and weird backgrounds.

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See ever see any well, you can do blur backgrounds now in Skype. Did you know that you.

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Pretty fancy ya know and I gots a maganda up over here, because I don't know it's hard when you have so many people on a single call to make it look good, but it so we got you know: I'm, not an NDI master and my computer I need a new one folks service book, 3.

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Ya service book 3 looks pretty nice. Oh.

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Yeah anyways, that's it and we said that's our stand up there. You go an alright.

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You can tell it's still early for yeah.

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Have a service go and I would like another surface, go to, maybe maybe with the m3 process, or that would be nice instead of the gold processor but yeah we have so many people on. We we put this up on the xamarin youtube, the down a foundation youtube. You can find us on the Twitch and mixers for visual studio, so many people all over the globe. This is amazing. A few people of right realize that I no longer have a beard. That's a thing at some point and I do look a lot younger.

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It's great I prefer my face with no facial hair on it that it's as a surprise to anybody I firmly.

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My face with no face on it, which makes sense yeah.

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Just that there's a movie about that somewhere. So, oh, my goodness Wow well, look at that in restream is telling us. We've got a hundred messages today with story stream chat yeah. We have a very active everyone. We have so many feel from all over the globe. This is amazing, Surrender says I. Look like an intern from college. That's great! Thank you. That's a compliment. I believe that if we can see younger daivim, yeah slack emoji here, let's can we get.

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That goin yeah yeah.

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How do you do, how can you show the slack mo GZ show.

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The Det, oh, they see them it pops up over.

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Find it wherever.

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Have the precious screen.

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The power of Skype and that's great I'm.

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On the delay, oh there it is yeah that is right. Over my face.

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Is your first down the community Santa? This is what we do we. Basically it's a roundtable chat with that the products and engineer teams of your favorite products and on Thursdays the first Thursday of every month. It's May people, it's a minute. A nice turn a profit this week, so I'm very happy and yeah. This is first Thursday. We have a Samer and stand up talking mobile dev, all the goodness. Now, if this is your first time, netcommunity stand-up, you should join all of them.

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Of course you can watch net, but we go through a few things. We have community links the things that you are working on out there in the community, PRS blog posts, podcasts all the good stuff, and then we're gonna go to some demos, and today, Shane's gonna give us a hands-on of Zam reforms. 4.6. If you missed, the zamarons shows amber and show.com me and David did six things. Lovin xamarin forms 4.6. If that number will can increasingly get larger you have to and then until 5.0 and then 5 things to love.

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That's it 50 things to love.

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That's it all! Right! Mandy hits all you I got nothing.

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I'm glad the chat so explosive everyone's really loving, like our taste of social interaction, is.

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Good, this is the.

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Most social interaction I've had in weeks so.

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I'm links the huge that should be in all all the chats everywhere. Using that restream thing, it's very cool: we've got a bunch of stuff. Y'all have been busy quarantine in with your blog, very exciting. First and foremost, of course, we got our virtual samra Dave, you really just zoomed in and you're muted, so I can't hear your quips I.

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Don't even see him right now.

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The quarter-mile Wednesday Dave's nerves becomes my entire 1340, monitor all right virtual conferences, I'm so excited and virtual user group. So people of been doing a great job kind of transitioning and adjusting to the new world that we live in right now. But the big thing to call out on this list its Microsoft build. It's happening, May 19th, it's free! You can register there's a whole bunch of like pre-recorded talks. There's a whole bunch of live talks, you'll be able to do Q&A with the folks who are presenting the same thig names.

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You expect from any builds conference, there's a lot of xamarin and actually pretty much a door on this call has been better involved in figuring out what we're gonna show and how we're gonna show it in a couple weeks. So there's a lot I'm.

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Registered, did you all register I registered I.

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Registered actually.

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I didn't get an email.

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Bomb all right, it says free, so I, like free.

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Things and link to watch the keynote live without registering, but you don't get access to any of like the cool content. Can.

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We also do a quick shout-out because there was a company-wide email to the entire Microsoft organization about build and none other than our Matti Legere was featured in said email about the bill keynote. So I'm just saying that's a pretty big, pretty excited so look.

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Out, yes, I'm very excited, it's gonna be a lot of fun. I did turn my kitchen into a team's background. I will be tweeting it after we yeah Aaron, it's very exciting, so alright build very exciting I'm hype. It's gonna be awesome, like I said so much as Ameren. Alright, always a challenge. Love me a good Zam challenge this one's fun, because it's this picture, which is also the heading of a blog post about it general.

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The Matt, combines their brain powers to make a Zimmer and and crazy cognitive services combo challenge it started on the 20th. It ended on the 30th. Unfortunately, it is over. So of course, keep your eyes on the blogs at all times.

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Look at this cute little monkey and a little floral outfit he's very cute, but you can go and check out all the features that people add it to this travel monkey repo right here so there's about 25 PR is pretty cool and you can see what all these different people did and, of course, our amazing community, great blogging, put on here blogged about what he added. So you can go in and see exactly what he did did some localization the American. That I am I. Read this as polish localization like.

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Why is he polishing the localization of oh man.

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Yeah, nobody did a bunch of stuff, so this is just one of the many blogs I know some people are just joining in, so he did drop this in the chat earlier. I'll drop it again, but you can follow along, would be flying through these on these links. Sweet, alright, so Dan, Siegel, I, know you're in the chat.

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I owe you an apology, because last month you came out with this really cool thing called bold, build tools, and you Twitter DM, did to me and I still forgot, to put it in the community stand up links because I am the worst they are here now. It's awesome. I actually spent some time going through this website.

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It's just a collection of this sentence says it all: it's a collection of msbuild tasks, and it just makes it smarter and Dan. Of course, you many of you folks are probably familiar with then he's all over the prison world and avanti playin and Samer and and dotnet. So he knows he's been through the wringer with msbuild.

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I trust him with this stuff, but did also just published out a blog this morning about icon fonts and how he's made it easy using one of his new tools that he came out with salmon forms had its font image source, which we've talked about a few times on this before it's the best, but he went about why he hates it which is classic dan dan. I love you. Your first comment is always why you hate something and then how you made it better and it's fantastic.

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We love it and some new debts, of course just pull them in and it's actually very nice. You can search and and yeah okay cool. Let's see, oh, oh, my gosh, this. What I'm really excited about so Charlaine is on community stand up all the time, because she's always blogging cool stuff.

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This I joined and I heard Maddie, say: I am the worst Pierce just said: I do too yes, Charlotte has been teaching a class to software engineering students in the DR and she had them create a xamarin forms app using any open source API, which is really cool, so she showcased them all on this blog post, I'm not gonna, go through all of them right now, but they're super cool, I love, seeing what all these people did anything from marvel to drinks, love, love me a drink and then beer I could see Charlotte like what you get.

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Your students really hooked on, not Spotify I like, but there's a whole lot and you can go in the source codes all up, so you can go check it out and they've used some of our amazing community. Plugins I, don't know some of those look familiar, maybe all them so they're great. Oh, yes, tiny, mvvm, 2.0 and it's now slightly less tiny. Daniel has I just laughing at my bad jokes. This is all I. Have it's.

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A small it's not micro, it was micro. Then it was tiny. You know it's small and then it'll be medium/large. The title subside I'm, trying to font size.

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He did kindly go in and highlight some of the things that he's added to tiny mvvm for the $2 release: lots of stuff- it's reasonably dense article, but not too dense, but definitely check out Daniels blog if you're interested in his stuff, the best open source stuff, as always all right, yes analytics. So when I was an intern at Microsoft, they were like. You have to put telemetry in your app and I was like I, don't know what that means, and they said just use this app insights thing and then I was like I thought.

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That means if this blog was out when I worked on my first app I would have probably had an easier time so this by John, and it's just like the simplest way of cooking in analytics dot track event, and it all comes up to App Center, and it shows you he. He draws the arrows. He shows you exactly what to click and then all right on here boom.

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My events are showing up and then you can query it all and there's some charts and then I think at the end he talks about power bi for a little bit. It's great it's fantastic and he did a follow-up blog on this about specifically crash data, so check this one out. If you are yeah looking at telemetry and kind of like the simplest, this is I always think of app insights with App Center. It's one of the more like GUI friendly ways of doing telemetry.

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There are obviously a bajillion ways to do it, but that's what I, particularly like alright Stephens, got that animations he's competing with James, who also came out with a good animation blog post this month. I, don't remember if it was before or after mine.

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Was probably like terrible and then his was probably awesome so yeah that's.

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May have been, then maybe I haven't seen this, but it's funny because I think we both opened up with like hey, there's a bunch of built-in stuff and then here's how I can do other. If I do, we literally has the same blog post, I swear I, not.

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See this law I was like: oh I, can't do both of these, because they're similar.

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What's the date, what's the date.

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No mine was in May, so.

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In the twitch so you're you're in trouble, you.

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Know funny funny thing about my blog post is that I was talking about doing the animations live, I was do I was building it live on Twitch and Steven.

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Helped me with the animation, isn't that funny, and then he cuz he probably had blogged it knew about it or he got inspired by my twitch stream he's in the chat he can confirm or deny this so and then funnily enough that I blogged what he taught me because they taught me something because there's an entire animation framework built into xamarin forms that nobody knows if it's right there. Nobody knows if I there.

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That so cool Stevens was he. He made the Apple shake.

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About this blog post, what.

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About bouncing bouncing Apple icons keep going.

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Yeah, his blog is much.

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Higher than mine.

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Dog is barking no.

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Yes, yeah, my dog's bark is smarter than that asleep. Alright. That.

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Was very well time to a Snoop Dogg uh-huh is all.

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Right always there for more I could keep the didn't like this one which I had to call out, because the first thing that he said on the six-letter examine firms involved is the Torian productivity, which is my life and Pierce's life. I know he's in the chat. It's the best. Look at all these tools. Look at all these tools, we're working on they're, great, also I was saying earlier: I had to go into in private because all my ads and all your community websites, people I love the ads.

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I love that you're getting revenue from you're reading this but they're all like all the online shopping I've been doing so they're all like yoga, pants, yoga, pants food, yoga, pants and I'm, like oh God, so I had it, but I promise, I'm and looking for a wallets and.

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That's a cool new wall. At the end, I told Maddie, a secret I told everyone on the stream. Here's a secret for everybody on the stream, all 300 people going to edge go into your privacy and security section and go to strict it'll just block all the ads I mean III, know like I, have ads on my site to make ten cents a day, but you can just block all of them: I blocked my own ads, I block everybody's ads. It's great highly recommend eight highly recommended.

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Nobody knew this I, don't know how anyone didn't know. This is my new. It's my favorite feature of edge. You go into edge settings, privacy and services, and then right here, it'll say basic. It would be basic, a balanced is recommended and then strict it blocks, a majority of trackers content and ads will have minimal personalization. So no yoga, pants' parts of sites.

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May not work my favorite.

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Is parts of sites may not work and I can confirm that every once in a while every once in a while, then you can go into the little lock and then you can say turn off strict for this website and then you can do that too. So, unless you're, unless you want, you know, the worst thing about ads is like you know when you just bought yoga pants and then it shows you more.

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Pants, it's like I didn't know like I'd already bought the yoga pants like, and then you feel bad when it's like a startup right. You know: oh I bought this coffee subscription but then like they had to pay to put the coffee subscription on there, but like now, they're paying I'm already a member I was trying to support them, but now they got to pay more, that's unfair. You know, I mean yeah any eyes. That's.

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Wish there was a way I.

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It was like yeah I wish. There was a way to say: I already bought this thing shop. Stop showing me this ad go, show it to somebody else like that.

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Yes, Stephen, you should buy some yoga pants I.

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Believe so yeah you, like yoga I, mean there's like if you go to Lululemon and there's other.

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Ones, I use rowned.

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Like Rho, any I think it's the company they're on all the podcaster own whoo, that's good! It's not like yoga pants, but it's you know. I.

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I'd be surprised if he doesn't have the equivalent of yoga pants already squishy.

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Pants, that's what I call them the squishy pants, because you know the first time you ride like a century. You need some squishy pants and they.

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Bottom they're squishy they're squishy on the bottom diaper I guess I do have they're kind of like yoga pants they're like tighter than yoga pants, though you know the the bicycle shorts. Yes,.

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12-Inch, the.

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First time, the first time I bought squishy pants for riding I felt I didn't, like you know, I was I, didn't know how to feel just like going out like riding so I put shorts over like a meal yeah over my see, I think that's a that's okay, I.

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Go for baggy, baggy pants, so basically what mountain bikers use, but I don't go on the road anymore. So it's it's even better and.

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Almost got run over by a train.

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The first time I met Maddie and she's, like it's fine to park on the tracks.

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To come down and like yeah I, don't know, I've been Boston, it's fine.

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Is what community stand-ups are about? Everybody and.

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Hey it's a circular back. That was all because of last year at Build we were doing our developer day. Where we went. We talked to our developers in person down in Seattle, but all the great things which I wish we could do again. But now you can just watch us talk about it on Twitch, maybe next year this.

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Is true all right I mean she was just trying to establish a hierarchy. What I met her she's like parking on the tracks.

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Don't question me all right: my driving skills have both evolved in many ways.

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What things, if you've missed some other things Damian has listed out his favorite six, including tooling, which is the best because I forgot it and then show, which is also great ideology, because we're all geniuses and we now think about salient forms and an even better way than ever. Our scroll, the choke on the check box, I lost it mm-hmm.

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Check box all right um design patterns, similar, look and feel on every platform material hmm and then all the little things that we've been working on, which I know Pierce. If you still listening like those are things appear so I talk about all the time like we're doing the little things. There are also some big things sure.

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Peters gave up on us probably 20 minutes.

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If you seen monsters, turret tracking app, he uses this heavily I actually noticed that there was something funky happening with jean Marie's stuff here, because I had to what I was working on monsters, turn of tracking app go out and pull down a new nougat, because he split it out. He split his frames out to material for him yeah and.

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I'll say: I'll say that I updated my app to use the new nougat and it shaved half a Meg because it doesn't have any of the other stuff off of it. So and that's with app bundles, so I mean it might even be smaller than that, but it did shrink it down. I upped, it is a seamless update from jean-marie I found a bug because it doesn't work on Android 6. But besides that, I never worked on androids yeah. So then I just said: Android 7 is my minimum. That's how I fix it so.

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This thing is beautiful, I mean when I was started. He only had a few of the acrylics, but now he has all these blurs and lights. I mean look at this thing. It's beautiful it's so nice! Oh there's my app! Oh, my goodness. Is he calling me out he's celebrating oh yeah there you go, that's cool! Look at that! I didn't read the blog post, I, just I read the first part. I said I need it and then I had this. That turned away.

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Did we lose Maddy uh-oh? That's what happening I'm like.

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That no David are you going through community.

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Daddy's back Matt he's gone Matt he's here, Matty's.

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Loved it Maddie's back Maddie's back.

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I could hear everything you were saying.

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A great time just so, you all know he couldn't hear us for like the two or three minutes. While this stream was starting and we were commuted, so he was just talking and David and I were what David wasn't. David was laughing at me as I responded to James and every single client was like shoot. He can't hear me I.

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Have a very complex.

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Setup today, let's just say that son yeah.

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Sorry for the trauma for the buffering trauma: okay, Lewis made a great blog post examples and tips. It's like like the kitchen sink of just cool things, but xamarin I love, this blog I'm, not gonna, go through it, because it's huge but I'm going to sit sit here at this like table of contents for a second, so you can see general tips, performance, Visual, Studio, mvvm, zamel, c-sharp design and example. Apps and an extra tip big, surprise check it out.

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I'll go put the links in again in case you just joined and check out this great love it. It's long so like make your cup of coffee scroll through, enjoy it and then, finally, this one's cool, this one's about web services, music, which I wasn't actually super familiar with I guess actually pro-reactive you I I, was like that's cool. The most important part of this blog to me.

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Besides, the whole blog, which is fantastic, is this: in visual studio, you can go to edit paste special paste to JSON as a class and I had no idea. You could do this. It's like that. This blog I was, like I, have been sending all this time going to these, like websites.

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This is a lie. She has an extension there's no way. No, but it's very cool. It works. It's great. So.

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A good generator I do I, go to the gooey generator dot-com or whatever and yeah yeah. There might.

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Be watching a terminal.

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There's there must be I bet that maths Christensen has created one for vs, win, I know in fact, I can almost guarantees create a one for Windows. We should look that up. That's good vlog next next month.

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Has Shane is created across platforms, Ameren forms extension for visual studio. How.

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Would you like 25, yes,.

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Please quizzes code wait yeah, so this is a cool blog I. Also like the more I looked into refit and when I went to the rabbit hole of it. The more I was like. Oh, this is actually really clean, so check it out. That's it I'm gonna, stop sharing before I crash again.

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2013 MacBook Pro, that's what you guys are on right now. It's it's on Wi-Fi! It is about 1 foot away from the Google Wi-Fi hotspot, so I think that makes it worse. Oops I, just my router! So doesn't! Are you ready for me I'm ready? We got pee artists, I have PTR's Academy and just Skype here, I wish I could auto go into flow mode.

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All right, we we own we're on it's good time. That's happening cool.

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All right so I was scanning through, of course, what we had in zaman forums and essentials and across all the SDKs and here's what we got and, of course, there's a lot of beautiful bug fixes this one is an extension to something that was added late last year, which was the ability to do share cookies with your webview, and so this is a way for you to then say: okay, do I really want that or not so you can opt-in opt-out of it.

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Actually removed that you did, you pulled this.

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We need a polled. We'd have reverted yeah because it was basically fixing because the way it was implemented was on Android. It was always just deleting all your cookies, regardless, which was causing some author shoes, but now it's just basically because the cookies container starts out as null.

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So basically at this point, if you don't initialize the cookies container, it's the same thing as having should manage cookies is off mm-hmm, so it only manded. You only manage cookies if you sort of an it a cookie container and then start interacting with the cookies so yeah we just pushed a PR for that that'll be out in four six sr1, okay, which which adds a lot of syncing capabilities as well with the cookies.

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So if you push the cookies container, it'll it'll after you like, navigate or something like that, it'll fill up with whatever cookies are on the page and then at that point you can expire or add more and then awesome following yeah and then following navigations, it'll, it'll, add or remove those. So.

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It's kind of like the community PR pushed be like it was it was in, but then it made it actually even better, because then we had to read sometimes I like when pr's do that. You're like this peer is a good star and then let's rethink it and then boom. It's like it's a good collaboration, yeah.

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Yeah and so then the main issue too, was that it was sort of breaking. If you didn't do anything, but now at this point it sort of rolls up a little so that if you don't in it the container it's basically like having should manage cookies set to false, because by default that property is null so yeah and then, if you set yeah and then, if you just if you grab the cookies from the cookie container, and then you expire any of them, then it'll it'll remove it from the web from the the webview.

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So yeah I don't know test this one out a bunch I'm really curious to see people playing with this with doing like off cookies and and things like that. So, ideally, you would just sort of be able to interact through that cookie container. Do everything you want yeah. So just let us know, let us know if some of the synching is weird or yeah yeah that just went in so that'll go out with the SLR on for six.

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Submit a bug that says you have to change every time you say cookie container to cookie jar that good close so.

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The local variable is actually called cookie jar when we pull in.

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The local like locally scoped ones, anytime, we pull it for the method or whatever we I call it a cookie jar and.

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We have an event: that's who stole the cookie from the cookie jar so yeah for that soon. Well, so the reason that the cookie thing jumped out to me was because I had recently spoken with a large customer who was needing and in doing more with cookies and web, because they were doing kind of some hybrid things within their applications. So I was excited to see that we're improving that whole thing. Yeah.

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Yeah and the original one, the way it kind of worked too, like I said it was sort of destructive. So if you added any cookies, it would just erase any cookies that were already part of the web, but now it's sort of a it's a it's a cooperative effort, so it won't remove any existing cookies. It'll just add whatever you want to add so yeah it should. It was a little interesting getting it to work with sort of a single container but yeah, so I don't know play with that.

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A bunch people see if you can add off cookies and various other things, and let us know, oh cool, all right.

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Next, one is updating the item, updating scroll mode when an element is loaded on iOS and so I wanted to call attention to this one, because it's continual improvements to the quality of collectionview, which is a key focus of this sprint and probably next sprint for our core team. But it's also great to see the extensive use of collection during the community and the continued improvements to collection view so glad to see that that feature that control continuing to improve Andre here has already submitted some enhancements.

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Expander is new in zaman forms for six under the experimental flag. This is a control that allows you to have a header and then, as you tap on it, you expand out to show the content and then, of course, it collapses, and this adds the ability to do horizontal as well and a few other options. So I know that one of the things we've also been talking about is adding the ability to have a clip as opposed to kind of scale and stretch.

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So you can kind of control a bit more of that and there's also some bug fixes which I don't know. If I pulled the pr for that, but andre has also been submitting bug fixes for his own contribution, which I really think is awesome all right.

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Adding shell renderers for watch this one kind of blew my mind, wasn't really something that was on my radar, but the Samsung team continues to push forward the Tizen implementation for using Zaman forms both on their circular UI for the watches as well as there are other devices, and so the shell has become more and more popular. It's a great and easy way, of course, to get started. Shane. Does the majority of work on show right now and is doing some great work to take it even more cross-platform and give us more customization?

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As a matter of fact, I think maybe Shane will show some of the four six improvements that he has brought for styling and things like that. But if you're doing any Samsung Tizen work and you are using shell and now you can also carry that directly over to your watch. Pretty awesome.

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Let's see here, oh okay, so this is one where I want some I want.

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Some conversation and I know that Shane I talked a little bit about this Eider bond is he saw that we had added this nifty URL shortcut to trim off the last route and we execute the route during navigation, essentially effectively doing a back navigation really powerful when you, for example, pop a modal, or maybe you navigate to a page, but you do it from different places and you don't necessarily want to have to pass in the previous route to then route back to it.

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This is a great way to do that and in some cases, go back. A sink is really kind of the intention of what you're doing, but not in all cases. So if you have thoughts on how you like this to work, perhaps Dan and the prison fans out, there would have some opinions too to share with us some thoughts from experience. Please come up here and let's have a conversation about this particular PR. We definitely like the discoverability of adding a method like go back a sink.

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It would actually be off of the shell current, but at the same time is that the right word is that the right meaning, what are the behaviors? We expect all those sorts of things so well. The worthy of conversation does.

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It go back as it go up. Can you override it and go up multiple, because I guess I could Shane can because I started using this in my app so when I upgraded, so you can do yeah shell current go async or whatever or whatever the command is, and you do Todd just like CD dot, dot right, it's super cool. Can you do dot forward, slash dot dot to go up to then, does that work yep yeah? So you can do.

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Multiple new things, yeah.

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Saw one of our conversations the other day and I was like wait like dot dot like like, like like terminal and james's like yes, exactly the terminal I was like this is the best and.

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Everything, so you can do like dot dot parameters and it'll.

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Pass those parameters to ever it ends up. That is cool to see you could actually oh wow.

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A great way of then passing back information so get.

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Item you could then pop it back. We got to add that to the template, that'd be nice. So I guess that's the question with go back async is it gets nifty, but then how do you do the other stuff yeah.

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That's the thing is it's a little too I mean, like you were saying: where does it go like like it might be a little unexpected, so I have a comment down on the bottom there sort of with some of my thoughts. If anybody wants to sort of read that and then scroll down go from there, I was.

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Gonna start typing some suit: okay, based on what we were talking about, yeah.

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Because the go back is just the my only concern about it was yeah like go back to what cuz people might start. Thinking like you know, if you're navigating between fly out items, why doesn't go back? Go to the previous fly out item? If you click, if the user clicks a bunch of different tabs and then they say click someone calls go back like. Where should it go? Should it go? Should I keep track of all the tabs that you clicked?

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Should it go back to just the first one and, like you were saying, James being able to override it so yeah there's some work coming with some of the mvvm integration. That I think will open up some api's to sort of that'll, be discoverable and sort of do the same concept. Yeah I mean the dot dot concept. Sort of just tracks with the three routes are built, because all it really does is pop.

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The last part like all it does internally is takes the route URI pops the last one off and then sends that to go to async. That's all it really does. So it's a little more.

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It Maps logically I think a little bit better. Where is that I think go back, might be a little limited plus and I don't want to get too crazy with too many extensions on there.

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You know like go: go here, go there and whatnot so yeah, so I don't know I, don't think there might be a way to sort of achieve the same thing, but maybe be a little more explicit. So, okay yeah those are just some of my thoughts, cool yeah. So, let's, let's talk about it and.

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In the chat I know some.

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People were talking about the audio I, think I figured it out. I think that my my max audio is too loud. It was distorting going through, so let me know and I can keep adjusting it. So I want to kind of get this good and going for the for the future. One.

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It looked like some alan says: audio is much better now, so let me know if I can adjust it I'm reading all hundreds of hundreds of chats here in real time. So, okay.

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Yeah we're conversation going back so.

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I always continue on alright.

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So here's another one that I think is worthy of some conversation again from Andre, where the switch currently has a non-color, but it doesn't have an off color and this Maps closely to what you get in the native API is. However, it's not necessarily consistent with a visual state manager, kind of approach where you have one color property and you use States to then address it as opposed to having separate properties for each state.

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So I think this is a one I'd like to see some conversation on and I wanted to bring it to your attention.

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Obviously, I want the off-color, but what's the right way to do it, because one path makes a lot of sense for mvvm implementation, but when you start considering model view update or reactive UI, you may have different opinions on what really makes the most sense, and so I would love to have a conversation on how this API should look moving forward and let's standardize it across all of our controls, because we do have a mismatch between controls in terms of exposing properties that are that are state specific and then having a visual state manager kind of be the the overall overriding way in which to style, controls so cool.

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This is what I found interesting. I did not know that there was a physical Mouse back button. Does anybody did anybody else know that this existed, like I've got a really sophisticated, Logitech mouse here are one of these buttons, the back button.

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You can map some, you can map.

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Some command things.

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Yeah, okay, so.

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I probably have some learning to do here on on how that works, but there is a on back button pressed. So how should that work on uwp with the physical Mouse? So we have a pull request here from pan link Alex that implements this pretty cool, so it hasn't been merged. It's fairly fresh 21 days ago, not super fresh but fairly fresh. So that's pretty cool if you're doing uwp desktop work and you want that back support go. Give that a go. Give that a like give it a heart.

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This is what I want to call attention to, because we shipped app theme in an experimental preview in 4.6, and so you can begin using that now, but there are situations where at run time. If the OS theme changes, you won't see it change your app until you reopen it, and so this PR does the work there it'll be coming out in the next service release as well, and we also have some API adjustments that are coming.

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That will allow you to decide whether or not you want the OS to trigger the theme change or if you want the user to be able to opt in an opt-out of dark and light themes. That way if the user says I want dark, but then the OS says: oh hey it's time for light theme based on the configuration the app will override that so and then you can opt back in to letting the OS control it.

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So some nice improvements coming there there's quite a few PRS that are actually open, I think mostly from stephane. So you can check that out. Verax, it's a really cool API! It's gonna make doing dark and light themes in your apps. So much easier. I mean it's not terribly hard now with dynamic resource and just having a couple of different resource dictionaries and swapping it out. But Gerald did a really nice job of giving you the the app level hooks to do.

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This I had noticed through some some tweeting that the w3c had a spec and opened up gap on flex layout, which is the spacing between elements in a Flex layout. It's a nice feature. You have on things like stack layout, where you can say: hey I want the spacing to be this between the different items.

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Flex layout didn't have that, and, and of course flex layout is really all about spacing of children and distribution of the items as well as flowing them, and a gap is just a really nice addition or spacing is a nice addition to flex layout to add that functionality so look forward to that one coming and it is by row and by column, which I think is also a nice distinction, so it doesn't have to be, doesn't have to be the same, spacing for horizontal and vertical couple more here.

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This is one thank you so much Shane for working on this one I was doing what was I building one of my demos for the four six release, or it was for the the build demos, but I was like man. I really want to control the background color, it's the not the flyout background itself, but the backdrop it's that shadow or that partially opaque background that hides the content of your app and so Shane went in and gave us the appearance property to be able to do that.

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I think it took you what 15 minutes Shane five minutes. Three minutes.

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I was a little tricky to get some of the the touch calculations working. But if you scroll down there's gifts, oh.

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And that's going back to the default and then the iOS one is below that. So the iOS phone is a little trick because Iowa, the iOS flyout, is all custom built. So.

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I mean all the transition.

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Behaviors we have to build working with the iOS animation. Api's is interesting. Cuz like it's like four levels, deprecated so yeah, but I was that was it came out pretty nice, so that should be landing in for seven.

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Awesome I love it I will definitely make good use of that and I noticed this one in essentials and then, as soon as I noticed, this I saw much. You had posted another pull request, although I don't think I opened that one where Matthew Leibovitz added Mac OS support to essentials all up is that what I saw that's.

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Correct yeah, we announced it at samer and comps the Don Netcom focus on xamarin events in my session yeah. If you go into PRS and then closed and then Mac OS, Mac I think it's Mac go ass right, yeah, Matthew, Leibowitz and a bunch of people gave in that's AB up down down down down as a while ago. There. It is one one one one.

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So this was a piss started many moons ago in 2018, surprisingly enough, and not that we, you know that it's not that it took a long time to review the PR, get the thing in there Chaz we shifted priorities. Right I mean that's. When you're doing anything, there's priorities, you want feedback. You see, there's 15 participants on the on the github issue here so community members team members.

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We had multiple reviews and of course, as we grew xamarin essentials, we added more and more api's and you can see here like what's supportive, what's not supported and yeah. Basically everything, including Apple, sign-in authentication. Everything like that. We got the kruger on there and it was really good. So we're gonna try to land that at 1.6 I don't have a ETA on that, but you can of course go to the bottom here on any of the pool requests.

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Ok, you can't shake too device I. What.

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I want shake support, especially on my Mac, with the crappy keyboard. I. Think.

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You can shake a surface books, I think there's a accelerometer.

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So if you scroll down to the bottom here and any of the PR is you can grab, keep going, keep calm, Keep, Calm cool you're, not saying.

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You can grab the nougat from there. That's what I'm saying if you want to test it out and we're gonna start to try to do some nightly, builds and things like that and get a CI feed set up, but yeah it's right. There boom you're good to go cool.

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And on top of that, we already have a PR here to add file, picker implementation and has been merged. So apparently we liked it from the V DOS in Germany. I save a Vito Slyke like it's a Spanish word, but to.

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We got a bunch of cool stuff.

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In 1 6 a lot of good stuff from the community, so we're trying to get the contacts. The calendar support, there's like Apple Inc's I have some more app theming stuff. Ever you got a duplicate all the app theming support everywhere, but it's good because if you're using like older versions as a more informs you're, not a forms application you're still going to need that stuff. So you're there yeah. So super super excited about that. So it's good to go and get it's going good. So, okay,.

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Good yeah I'm excited to see the Mac OS stuff as well, because I would like to enable more Mac OS inside of zaman form, so I'm gonna stop sharing. Now. Okay,.

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I think for Shane Shane. Are you ready to show us some 4.6 magic? That's.

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Right 50 minutes into it. We were ready to go through to.

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Xamarin forms 4.6: what do you got for? A shame? Is.

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It Sharon all right, yeah, you're, gay, alright, cool, alright, so yeah I, just mainly wanted to highlight some of the styling fixes that we've put in so I think David bridge is gonna. Do a blog post about this that he's putting out today, and so this is sort of our are slowly putting in additional customization features into the flyout yeah just trying to trying to make it.

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So you can sort of tweak it as much as possible without having to totally back out of the implementation and then sort of just build it from the ground up. So in four six. What we've done is we've tied in style classes into the flyout, which is really cool because with style classes you can set literally any property since it just sort of applies it over the elements.

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So when we first kind of looked at this, we were we were looking at just adding a bunch of API is sort of like you know: flyout text, color, flyout, image, thingy, etc, etc, but the mat just kind of gets cumbersome because you're basically having to replicate these entire api's. So we want a style class route so effectively.

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This is the default. Flyout template, that's used so you'll see this is reminiscent of sort of uwp with like control templates and such. But this is the exact zamel.

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That's used to generate the flyout items, as you can see out here on the and then what we've done is we basically attach style classes to the images and the labels and then the layout itself up here and then what we've also done is we've attached names to name property, so this is reminiscent of things that you'll see in uwp control templates where in the visual state manager they can reference different elements by name and inset certain properties. So there's the the image is just flyout item image.

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The label is just flight and label and then yeah and then the layout up here is flyout item layout, so I kind I did I have a quick demo here, just just sort of showing how this customization works. So what happens is so since the cool thing about style classes? Is that they're composable?

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So you can basically just come a separate a bunch of different ones, so we have the default style which is applied first and then, after that, there's an empty style class which is like here, flyout item label style that gets added to all of them. So if you just want to modify a very basic some feature of all of them, you can just modify the flaut item label style and then that gets applied to all of your labels here.

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So now you can see if they're all purple and the text decorations here using an underline, and then you can see here what I've done is I've applied a background color to the image. So this is now just applying a gray background to everything and then what you could also do.

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What you could also do is do everything from the perspective of the layout here using sort of the visual state manager, so I'll break this down here in a sec once I save it. So what I've done here on the layout is I've basically said: hey I want all of the layouts to be 80. I want the background color to be orange and then now I've injected in my own visual state manager here and I've set okay. This is what I want to do.

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The selected properties I want the background to be pink and then I want to change, and then this is the target name stuff here, which is neat and you can set that to green. So, as you can see here now, the selected item here is green. So then, that that lets you apply general styles to the entire layout, but then what you can do on top of that is, if now, if you want to sort of get more granular, you can still create custom styles and apply those.

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So here, you'll see I created a custom style that I'm applying to an image and you'll see that I. What I've done is I basically just set the style class on the here. I've set the style class here on this flyout item, which is just the elephant one. So now at this point, this middle thing here the style class, if you looked at it, would be our internal style, comma default. The flyout item style that you applied lower down and then this custom one.

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So it really lets you sort of customize everything and then customize individually free for each of those things you want to set yeah. So that's kind of the big exciting thing that we added here and then we're doing some additional work that hopefully landed four, seven, four, eight sort of creating like a navigation, a navigation list that'll. Let you sort of more even get more specific with how you want to customize the entire layer.

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So a lot of it is just really trying to give give users the ability not to totally opt out of shell to have to do anything, because that's the ideas with shell, you sort of get a full-featured app and then you you customize it instead of having to like start over. So, for example, like we could just provide a Content template to replace this entire thing. But then, once you place the entire thing, you're now losing the navigation stuff.

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So when, when, when we, when we're going to replace this whole thing with a template, we want to provide a way to to start from you know having having this built and then being able to sort of customize that so yeah, so that those are kind of the neat features we added to the styling and then I have a couple of things out. Let's see is the Iowa. Let's see if my Iowa's build house is still connected, is it aha, we added a better RTL for shale as well.

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So as you'll see here, the I think I'm mislabeled radio buttons here, yeah I mislabeled, the radio buttons. That's really funny is it kind of but yeah.

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So this is also demoing, the radio buttons radio buttons, which was also added in four six and yeah, and so the the radio buttons are kind of neat, because the way I did that was with the custom template so I defined a I defined a template here, which is just a menu item, and then what I have down here is I have a template where I, basically just replace the entire things with radio buttons.

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So you can also just replace an entire flyout, with whatever control that you want to, which is really neat for those sort of customization features, and then someone recently, what was his name up here? Adam, who was featured a little earlier, had added and expander control, which I thought was kind of a neat case check this out.

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That's cool I've, never seen it I've never seen all these enhancements to it, like one I, just want to make sure like people like the first thing with the radio buttons like you, here's put any content in there and that's super duper cool right. This is like and now you're this you know, I love that that's roof, really cool, I love that expander B, that's sort of reminiscent of um you know. Login accounts like when I'm in Gmail it'll, like do like the drop-down or whatever, and the flyout. That's cool yeah.

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And so there's there's a small quirk on iOS that I need to fix, but I thought this was a really good way to sort of show the expander control and also demonstrate just some of the customization here. So this is also an additional custom. Ation they'll come they were working on on Friday I do extreme customizing this stuff, which will also add these features like being able to do a footer there so yeah, so that was the yeah I.

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Don't know, I thought the expander was kind of a neat addition and then I added kind of a quick. Let's see if this pulls up. So here's sort of a demonstration of the modal behavior that I've added. So what this is, what this is basically doing is doing a go to async diet and then I'm passing in a string.

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That's that's effectively at the date time and then, if I click it it goes back and you can see I'm binding it to the header up here, and so that's just using dot dot to pass to pass data back, which is yeah, which is neat, which is a really cool feature with the dot dot stuff so yeah.

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So that's what I have a date we and we're at time right. I had a few tabs if I needed to fill some space, but I think you can go more go for what else you got yeah.

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Learning things yeah.

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I, don't have another meeting for.

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Yeah so then I kind of just went through and opened up some of the enhancements, some of the stuff that we touched on already I want to highlight the shell project board here. So the shell project board has things that are in progress. The blockers and things like that that we're working on so you can kind of like you can look at this to see what we're working on and that there's things here that you would like added or things that you don't really like.

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Where we're going with it yeah comment here the Tizen one which was already touched on, but this is really cool. Do they have a demo yeah? It's really neat on the ties and watch here, which is a really that's kind of one of the big advertisements. The shell is being able to project that that model onto any sort of UI contact, so the Tizen one is a really cool representation of sort of the power of shell ah yeah and then I wanted to just highlight just some community stuff.

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Real quick, Pedro, hey Zeus here, has been super helpful with a lot of shell stuff, he's constantly creating PRS and chatting me up about different different ways to implement things and stuff. So I just wanted to shout out my appreciation: yeah Pedro.

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Let's see we added a lot of shell cancellation behavior in 4.6, so, for example, in this example app I've overridden the back button, so you basically cannot exit the app and you're permanently stuck in the community stand-up. So this is all just operating via the navigating feature here. So basically I'm just checking if you're trying to navigate to a route here- and it just cancels that so and then we also fix a lot of the navigation around your tabs down here, with sort of being able to not click on things.

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So, for example, here I just have it totally shut down here. I've kind of built in a prompt feature like, are you sure, no to be able to sort of articulate navigation, so a lot of that was fixed in four six. A lot of the navigation events were super messy, but those should be cleaned up. So if you have any other navigation scenarios that aren't working out, please let me know so we can get those all fixed. This is highlighting. Some things, upcoming, add is visible.

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I know has a lot of a lot of interest, so 43 thumbs. So this is one that I'll be pushing into for seven unless something odd stops it from making it there. So yeah so see see that one upcoming here's, the shell content template work that we're doing so I have a stream I'm doing every Friday started around 2:30 Mountain Standard time, if you'd like to join in and kind of see where we're going with this. Basically, what we're doing so right now, the the flyout here is natively implemented on every platform.

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So on iOS it's a collection, it's a table view I, think on Android. It's a recycler view and uwp. It's a list view. So what we're doing is extracting this out. So it's a it's just a bindable layout, it's just a nested set of bindable layouts, so it's all totally cross-platform and then once we get that finished, then that's basically what we'll provide for a content to say: hey, look, here's the bindable layout that represents your entire flyout start there and then just customize.

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However, you want so yeah, that's a really exciting one I'm hoping we get that one in for seven but just depends. This is the one that we've been working on for a bit here. So this is the mvvm support stuff which we're really excited about this. Will this will add a lot of cool teachers with prism integration or mvvm, cross or reactive, UI, sextant I think is the reactive UI one I'm not sure the progress on that but yeah.

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So this is gonna, add a lot of cool features that will also allow you to sort of pass more complex objects with go to async, and things like that. So this is gonna, be a really big one that I'm hoping to land in four four seven, especially still we get as much feedback as possible, probably before eight, but maybe we can rally yeah, and this was one that just had a lot of interest I wanted to highlight. There was some issue with the back navigation flickering, which was causing like a weird flash.

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So if that was something that you would kind of been suffering through, we have that one fixed in for six and then the backdrop I was gonna highlight but yeah Dave kind of highlighted that one so that'll be landing in for seven, which will hopefully be soon. Let's see if I can poke some people to get this one merged here, yeah, let's see stuff, I went too slow. I'm, not logged in I was gonna remove stuff on cuz he's asleep in her ass someone else, but I don't like them.

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So yeah. Those are kind of all the upcoming things. Michelle I think once we get the three huge ones that I'd really like to get especially by four eight are, is visible at the content template and then this one, which will really I, think cause a lot of shell scenarios to really explode so yeah that just just.

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Say say it like it's gonna happen then go back to the team and say I made promises on this game, so I need you guys to help me.

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Yeah yeah, oh yeah, this.

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Stuff out, I'm really excited that we were able to to take this to the next level, and this.

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Guy's also been super helpful, h, OB dev, so he's he logs a lot of good issues and we have a lot of really good conversations as well. So I know if he watches these, but I always enjoy our. I always enjoy our back-and-forth s-- on github, so yeah. Yes,.

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Very cool all right, yes, well pop back over and say our goodbyes. You can stop sharing their shame. Then we.

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Already lost Maddy: when did she disappear.

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Maddy has she hasn't? She had another meeting, so she had a legit ago as I come out so well, first yeah. It was funny because it was David and I did the zamarons show on 4.6 and it's kinda cool to see where, where she'll is evolving and it's funny because in the comments someone was like, I feel like I'm being sold on shulk's. There's all these new shell enhancements and I, don't think it wasn't assertive that was being sold on shell.

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Just here's a bunch of new features based on like what people need in their apps and then my newest apps I'm, a wonder percent in on shell I went all in on shell from the beginning I'm, using like deep URL navigation, routing, app links and it works beautifully. Like you know, it was really good to like do file new, because I've tried to like shoehorn into existing applications and I was talking about this on the Samara podcast next week.

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I think it comes out and it was just super delightful to be able to do them with a new font, icons stuff. It all just was like really easy to put together and do navigation and all the small things and I was really on the heels of four six and all the the betas and yeah. It's delightful. It's a great work team. That's what I'm trying to say! Basically, I like that, you two are wearing matching shirts today, yeah.

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That's a great shirt. My favorite I wanted to say this about. You know shell and selling right yeah.

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Thing is, we were trying to generate excitement about the features not because we're selling, but.

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We we know you're gonna like it, because it started with your complaints right. So, like that's, how we ship things, it's the ship quickly, get the feedback and then find out what the direction is. We need to take things so we're not trying to convince you that these things are good, we're actually just trying to say, hey. You know, based on your feedback, we've done this work come celebrate it because we know it's gonna be useful. You told us, you already needed it. So yeah.

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Not making things up good.

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And I've been I mean I-I've, been ya, played around a lot with Sean didn't a lot of stuff with shell, like for my apps, that I had it was like I, don't know, and then the new app I was just like I'm all-in. Let me just give it a go right and actually started with shell went off shell and then went back to shell. So funnily enough, like I, you know, because of how shell orchestrate stuff I was like.

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Oh, let me try to use like the sharp NATO tabs and then I was like well I'm, not really getting any benefit over the built-in tabs, and then you know it's going back and forth and and then I landed back on shell and I. It was really glad I did just because all the URL, routing and I think even if I wasn't using anything, you could just literally put a content page into a shell like you could and then you could use URL navigation from there.

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So if you just use it- and you want that URL stuff, it's pretty good, so anyways good work, team, I think it's gonna. Do it for the stand of anything else, I'm good? This is.

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All right cool thanks everyone for hanging out. Of course, you can go to live dotnet, Li, ve dot do T, dot net live dot on net, maybe the labels put in the HTTP live dot, dot net. That's where you go, and that's who you find everything for not only this stand up, but every other stand up to asp.net on Tuesday we got languages and runtime we got desktop. We got any frame or a whole bunch of good stuff.

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If you're in the dotnet world give it a look thanks to Shane and Matti and David for joining once again until build until build not even next month until build, have a good one stay.

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Safe everyone wash.

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Your hands for 20 seconds.

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