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B
Hello
and
welcome
to
the
dx
dao
biz
dev
call
for
january
23rd
2022.
on
the
agenda.
Today
we
have
one
member
introduction.
By
wayne
we
have
a
discussion,
there's
been
a
meeting
and
a
discussion
with
gauntlet
about
potentially
helping
sort
of
like
bring
liquidity
to
swapper.
B
We
we're
speaking
to
hypnosis
chain
about
some
shared
rewards
and
possibility
of
you
know:
incentivizing
some
of
the
excel
protocols
on
grocer's
chain,
quick
discussion
about
like
ve
tokens,
and
you
know
some
of
the
possible
applications
implications
and
then
yeah
we'll
talk
about
a
bit
about
the
east,
denver
the
event
and
possible
merge
and
on
the
exventures
part
we
have
a
couple
of
updates.
B
C
D
Hello
good
evening,
sorry
about
that
I
was
busy
driving
on
my
way
home.
I
I
just
want
to
say
my
name
is
wayne
obviously,
and
I'm
very
excited
to
be
part
of
this
whole
journey
that
you
are
on
in
dx.
Now
I
find
dx
dao
is
basically
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
doing
great
things
in
the
crypto
space,
and
I
really
I'm
very
impressed
by
everybody.
D
You
know
the
immediate
community
and
the
community
at
large,
and
that's
basically
that's
all.
I
have
to
say
really.
I
will
obviously
be
reaching
out
to
each
of
you
individually.
You'll
have
to
excuse
me
in
the
beginning,
because
I
will
be
asking
many
questions,
so
I
hope
you
have
patience
with
me.
If
you
don't
I'm
I'm
not
easily.
My
my
feelings
are
not
easily
offended,
so
you
can
tell
me
to
bug
off
and
come
back
some
of
the
time,
but
that's
all
I
really
have
to
say.
Thank
you
very
much.
C
Yeah
and
then
just
to
provide
a
little
bit
more
color
around
this.
Over
the
past
few
weeks,
we've
been
searching
for
a
new
social
media
and
community
growth
member
to
join
our
dxvoice
teams
of
the
many
applicants,
as
you
all
have
probably
seen
in
the
introductions
channel.
We,
you
know
kind
of,
came
to
the
conclusion
and
felt
as
if
wayne
would
be
the
best
fit
for
this
position.
C
Obviously
we're
always
looking
to
welcome
new
contributors
into
our
community,
but
we
definitely
felt
that,
through
the
trial
and
through
you
know,
communicating
with
other
contributors
in
dx
voice.
That
wayne
would
definitely
be
an
awesome
fit
for
this
role.
Specifically,
he
did
also
write
a
tweet
and
you
guys
can
check
it
out
on
the
interview
that
john
and
augusto
and
chris
did
with
chris
black,
and
it's
just
one
of
the
ways
that
we
felt
that
he
was.
C
D
B
Awesome
so
welcome
and
awesome
to
have
you
on
board
yeah
all
the
claps
we
have
yeah.
We
have
the
gauntlet
discussion
sky.
I
believe
you
were
the
cause
on
friday
evening
for
me.
So.
A
Yeah
I
can
give
a
I
can
give
a
overview,
it's
a
pretty
interesting
situation
and
you
know
keenan
who's
obviously
been
instrumental
in
the
in
like
swapper
token,
like
dynamics
and
then
zet.
You
know
product
lead
for
swapper
and
nathan.
I
think
nathan,
you
were
there
right.
We
there,
a
handful
of
us
had
a
call
and
so
gauntlet
gauntlet.
Actually,
obviously,
probably
a
lot
of
people
know
tyrone,
but
gauntlet
does
a
bunch
of
things
in
the
space,
but
one
of
the
things
they've
been
doing
most
recently
as
they've
like
built.
A
These
models
and
things
is
they've,
been
working
with
a
whole
bunch
of
like
really
high
profile
projects
from
sushi
to
compound
to
ave,
to
a
few
others
in
some
other
ecosystems,
and
they
they
have.
Basically,
you
know
and
take
built
models
for
analyzing
yield
farming,
and
so
okay,
if
you
yield
farming,
is
happening.
Some
people
think
yield.
A
To
basically
improve
or
improve
the
efficiency
of,
what's
happening
in
that
in
that
with
that
dynamic
in
the
d5
space,
and
so
in
the
beginning,
you
know
yield
farming
was
launched
and
it
was
like
a
couple
guys
coming
up
with
what
you
know,
giving
out,
rewards
and
and
seeking
liquidity,
but
there
was
there's
very
little
analysis
around
it.
You've
now
started
hearing
about
d5
2.0,
which
is
like
smarter
yield
farming,
but
even
outside
of
d5
2.0,
like
just
regular
yield
farming.
A
There's
ways
to
like
do
a
lot
of
optimization
and
I
think
the
the
swapper
and
dx
dow
community
already
have
been
doing
analysis
right.
We
do
not
super
like
super
detailed
analysis,
but
every
epoch,
where
there
are
people
in
the
community
and
and
members
of
the
team
that
are
looking
at
performing
performance
of
pools.
You
know
a
lot
of
it's
based
using
excel
sheets
like
changing
around
rewards.
A
The
tricky
thing
with
swapper
is
that
you
know
it's
not
like
it's
not
like.
This
is
my
personal
opinion,
but
it's
not
like
a
giant
well-oiled
machine,
it's
a
great
product,
but
we
don't
have
a
whole
ton
of
usage.
We
don't
have
a
whole
ton
of
pairs
when
you
compare
it
to
something
like
uni-swap
or
sushi
swap
or
a
compound
or
ave.
A
Those
are
like,
I
would
say,
those
are
big
giant
like
running
machines
with
lots
of
things,
and
so,
if
you
take
models
that
that,
like
you,
that
basically
are
for
improving
efficiency
and
optimization,
it's
one
thing
when
you
run
optimization
models
on
a
big
existing
machine
and
you
can
tweak
to
you
know
if
you
make
a
small
tweak,
it
can
actually
make
a
really
big
difference,
and
so
they
presented
the
gauntlet
team.
A
couple
of
their
business
people
presented
the
ability
they
reached
out.
They
they
see.
You
know
interesting
things
happening
in
swapper.
A
I
don't
know
if
they
are
aware
of
like
the
size
of
swapper
and
the
like,
where
it
is
on
each
chain
and
the
amount
of
the
rewards
and
things
but
they've
they've
communicated
that
they
can
apply
their
models
to
basically
help
improve
the
efficiency
of
swapper
and
and
and
swap
our
token
through
in
the
yield
farming
that's
going
on,
and
so
it's
it
was
a
really
interesting
conversation.
A
There's
like
obviously
a
price
they.
They
were
also
open
to
basically
having
likes
like
if
there
was
an
engagement
like
having
incentives
in
that
engagement.
So
we
we,
you
know
nathan,
obviously
like
always,
was
pushing
the
idea
of
using
something
like
carrot.
They
do
have
some
engagements
with
other
counterparties
where,
like
their
amount
of
there's,
a
base,
pay
for
setting
this
up
for
the
year
and
then
there's
like,
depending
on
the
performance
and
if
it
achieves
the
objectives
that
they
can
get
the
their
the
additional
pay
and
stuff
as
well.
A
But
it's
a
really
interesting
way
to
use
like
pretty
pretty
probably
pretty
deep
models
to
tweak
and
optimize
something
like
a
yield
farming
program.
I
think
the
outcome
was
we.
We
did
mention
a
lot
of
the
the
additional
things
that
could
go
into
a
model
for
dx
dow,
like
we
have
our
own
capital
that
we
can
put
into
swapper
that
we're
only
starting
to
do
more
and
more
other
projects.
A
Don't
really
have
that
we
have
carrot,
which
is
allowing
us
to
put
like
programmable
incentives
into
our
yield
farming,
which
is
not
something
that
they
necessarily
have
modeled
for
other
like
sushi,
swap,
for
example,
and
so,
and
we
can
change
our
swap
fee
balancers.
They
also
work
with
balance.
Our
balancer
is
the
only
other
project
where
I
think
you
can
easily
change
the
swap
fee
and
optimize
that,
and
so
we
have
a
whole
bunch
of
factors
which
would
make
their
modeling
actually
really
interesting.
A
There
are
some
outstanding
things
that
need
to
be
that
are
kind
of
not
broken,
but
like
need
to
be
fixed
in
the
in
the
in,
like
the
token
economics
of
swapper,
whether
you're,
using
it
for
governance,
if
you're,
locking
it
up
like
the
price
has
obviously
been
going
down
and
down
and
down
the
financial
incentive
is
less
relevant
right
now,
it's
more
like
people
want
this
governance
token,
and
so
I
think
there
are
a
handful
of
things
that
we
are
aware
of
like
like
getting
in
place
and
and
kind
of
getting
swapper
set
for
the
future,
and
then
once
you
have
that,
like
those
things
set
because
they
don't
really,
they
don't
help
with
like
token
economics
and
staking
and
the
other
pieces
that
go
along
with
these
systems.
A
They're
really
just
like
once
this
thing's
up
and
running,
they
can
help
optimize,
and
so
that
would
be
really
interesting.
But
I
think
that
that
swapper,
you
know
system
and
governance
and
the
token
economics
we're
thinking
about
making
some
changes
and
and
and
and
getting
help
with
that,
and
so
once
we
have
it
up
and
running
and
it
becomes
more
of
kind
of
an
ongoing
running
machine
and
maybe
the
the
guild
is
governing
the
rewards
and
things,
and
you
can
lock
up
for
voting
power
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
A
Then,
once
it's
up
and
running,
I
think
optimizing
that
machine
would
be
more
interesting,
and
so
we
agreed
to
like
yeah.
It
was
awesome
to
talk
with
them.
We
agreed
that,
like
in
a
couple
months,
maybe
as
we
make
progress
on
these
other
parts
of
like
establishing
the
base
of
what
swapper
and
swapper
guild
and
swapper
token
are,
we
could
revisit
yeah
revisit
like
how
to
optimize
within
that
within
that
ecosystem.
So
that's
kind
of
a
big
overview
like
that
was
just
a
small
team
that
met
with
them.
A
If
there
are
other
people
in
the
community,
that
think
you
know
optimizing
today
makes
sense.
We
could
explore
it,
there's
obviously
a
cost
which
is
not
a
insignificant
cost.
You
know
to
to
engaging
with
someone
like
gauntlet,
but
they
you
know
they
have
published
reports.
A
couple
are
public
like
sushi,
swap,
for
example,
how
they've
improved
the
efficiency
of
their
farming
programs,
and
so
it
is.
A
It
is
really
interesting
and
they've
gotten
positive
feedback
from
people
that
they've
worked
with,
and
so
that
is
an
opportunity
to
engage
with
them
in
the
future.
I
think
it's
just
a
matter
of
like
getting
the
timing
right
and
things,
and
so
if
anyone
zed
or
keenan
or
nathan
had
anything
else
to
add
yeah,
please
do
otherwise.
If
there's
any
questions
or
thoughts
about
it,
it
would
be
great
to
hear
them.
E
E
F
F
E
Yeah
and
you,
you
and
skype
voiced
that
on
the
call
we
had
with
them
and
they
kind
of
agreed,
it
will
probably
take
another
quarter
until
the
time
is
right
to
to
properly
have
this
discussion.
I
believe
it
it's
a
good
time
to
ask
alan
to
share
something
he's
planned
to
to
share
on
today's
call
yeah.
B
Yes,
yeah,
so
this
is
actually
yeah.
This
ties
in
like
fairly
well.
This
is
not
just
a
vested
escrow
like
I'll
give
a
bit
of
background.
The
first
thing
is
that
we
had
a
couple
of
yes.
More
than
a
month
ago
we
had
a
discussion
about
like
olympus
and
then
like
a
week
like
two
weeks
ago.
I
had
a
discussion
with
a
friend
about
this
and
was
like
no,
you
know
this
is
super
innovative
and
he
explained
to
me
the
whole
thing
and
you
know
on
the
base
of
it:
it's
not
very
complex.
B
They
just
have.
They
have
bonding
right.
Like
a
bond
you
sell,
you
know,
I
think
the
definition
is
that
you
sell
you,
you
guarantee
to
pay
back
a
loan
with
some
interest,
and
so
there
they
did
bonds,
but
for
14
days,
which
you
know
it's
kind
of
ridiculous.
Just
for
example,
like
the
us
treasury
does
like
bonds
for
like
five
ten
thirty
years
right,
you
can
buy
the
bonds
and
you
you
get
interest
on
that
bond
and
yeah.
So
this
is
one
thing
that
I
was
sort
of
exploring.
B
I
was
like:
how
can
you
call
this?
A
bond
when
it's
for
14
days
and
this
sort
of
comes
from
the
fact
that
you
know
me
personally,
I
want
to
put
money,
you
know
sort
of
like
liquidity
provision
for
a
protocol,
and
I
want
to
forget
about
it.
I
want
to
look
at
this
in
six
months
in
a
year.
I
don't
want
to
move
it
between
farms,
like
all
the
degens
do,
and
you
know
this
is.
This
is
exactly
the
thing
that
you
know
would
bring
you
sort
of
like
mercenary
money.
B
As
soon
as
the
apy
drops
and
swapper,
then
someone
is
going
to
move
it
to
somewhere
else
and
then
I
dive
sort
of
into
this
whole
like
vested
escrow
tokens,
which
I
don't
know
if
you
know,
but
this
is
kind
of
like
the
what
happened
with
curve
and
then
with
convex,
that
is
on
top
of
curves,
but
basically
the
more
locked
curve.
B
You
have
the
more
voting
power
you
have
and
then
you
can
decide
where
the
emissions
of
basically
curve
rewards
go,
and
so
it
becomes
like
it's
kind
of
like
plutocracy
squared,
basically
because
the
more
money
you
have,
the
more
money
you
can
allocate
to
yourself
it's
it's
kind
of
weird.
I
don't
think
this
is
you
know
like
a
sustainable
governance
model
or
you
know
a
scalable
governance
model,
but
it
is
interesting-
and
I
thought
maybe
to
bring
this
up
in
the
context
of
swapper.
B
How
can
we
create-
because
I
think
I
don't
know
if
I
went
like
too
long-
and
this
is
like
incoherent
by
now,
but
how
can
we
sort
of
incentivize
like
long-term
liquidity
provision
in
swapper?
How
can
we
like?
I
want
to
provide
liquidity
for
for
two
years
and
forget
about
it,
because
I
believe
in
swapper,
I
believe,
like
this
long-term
thing
and
and
yeah
like
how
do
we
figure
out?
How
do
we
like
to
reward
these
people
who
are
putting
up
liquidity
for
two
years
rather
than
you
know?
B
I
don't
know
three
hours
or
what
not
so
yeah
this.
G
G
One
thing
that
could
be
done-
that's
kind
of
very
basic-
would
be
to
create
a
long-term
farming
campaign.
You
know
where
it's
and
you
could
do
like
a
locked
one,
because
you
know
how
swapper
farming
you
can
support
like
locked
and
capped
right.
So
it
is
possible
to
just
make
like
a
two
year.
Farming
campaign
yeah.
But
I
don't
know
if
that
really
addresses,
like
the
you,
maybe
want
some
kind
of
a
lock
up
for
the
reward
tokens
or
something
as
well.
B
Yeah
I
mean
I
don't
know
how
to
do
this,
but
you
know
I
actually
I
went
on
twitter
and
then
some
some
guys
from
some
projects
like
reach
out
to
me
and
I'll
speak
to
them
I'll
see
what's
up
they,
they
actually
create
bonds.
So,
whatever
I
provide
liquidity
for
gno
dxd
and
I
get
a
bond,
let's
say
I
lock
it
for
two
years
and
that
bond
is
like
an
nfd
that
you
know
you
could
trade
in
like
this
bond
marketplace
and
it
represents
the
liquidity
that
is
in
that
in
that
pool.
B
Let's
say
I
put
whatever
ten
thousand
dollars
for
two
years
and
then,
when
the
bond
sort
of
like
ends.
H
B
You
get
your
money
back,
plus
all
the
interest.
G
So
it's
similar
that
sounds
like
similar
to
like
a
farming
campaign
right
where
you,
you
start
with
your
lp
tokens,
you're,
locking
it
in
a
campaign
for
a
certain
amount
of
time,
and
then
you
get
something
except
that
you're
saying
like
you
don't
get.
You
know
the
difference
is
maybe,
instead
of
with
farming,
you're
continually
accruing
rewards,
this
would
be
you're
kind
of
paid
out
at
a
certain
tape.
G
B
Yeah,
so
this
is,
I
mean
this
is
just
like
exploring
and
I
don't
know
I
mean
we
could
talk
to
other
producers
that
are
building
similar
things
and
then,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
like
whenever
I
put
those
ten
thousand
dollars,
I
have
a
bond
and
I
can-
and
I
can
sell
that,
but
the
advantage
this
swapper
has
is
that
until
the
end
of
the
period,
the
liquidity
is
still
there
and
you
know,
sort
of
like
the
people
who
are
using
swapper
are
getting
like
good
prices,
because
the
liquidity
is
still
locked.
H
Yeah
elon,
I
I
saw
a
tweet
that
you
tweeted
on
office
over
the
weekend,
or
recently
everyone
should
be
following
elon
on
twitter,
but
it
was
interesting
point
where
you
were
talking
about
this,
where
you
were
like
I'm
willing
to
put
capital
in
for
a
year
or
two
years,
and
I
think
that's
such
a
difference
between
what
the
space
was
like
a
year
ago
or
like
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
and
I
think
like
when
you
see
the
whole
curve
locking
thing
it
makes
a
little
bit
more
sense,
because
now
people
really
do
have
confidence
of
like
yeah,
something
will
be
around
in
a
year
or
two
years
ago
or
two
years
from
now,
and
so
I
think
we
can
think
about
how
to
build
financial
products.
H
I
do
think
we
need
to
like
move
someplace
here
with
the
swapper
like
tokenomics,
like
frontier
we've
got
like
a
lot
of
things
up
in
the
air
and
I
think
gauntlet.
It's
really
cool.
I
think,
like
reached
out
to
us
that's
kind
of
like
a
good
inbound
that
they
should
be
doing.
H
I
think
it
makes
sense
out
their
kind
of
assessment,
but
I
know
we
have
discussions
about
the
single
staking
for
swapper
and
then
there's
discussions
about
kind
of
like
doing
a
buyback
for
using
swapper
fees
and
then,
like
maybe
the
sushi,
the
x
sushi
model
or
the
kind
of
staking
model.
So
I
think.
B
Yeah,
so
this
is
just
like
something
that
I
was
looking
into
and
because
this
whole
thing
I'll
just
give
it
a
little
bit
more
background.
This
whole
thing
came
from,
I
don't
know
if
people
knew,
but
over
the
weekend
there
was
like
this
whole
phantom
thing
about
bringing
liquidity
into
phantom,
and
you
know
what's
interesting
compared
to
like
you
know,
like
avalanche
or
solana,
where
they
have
billions
of
dollars
from
like
vcs.
They.
Essentially
they
pick
the
projects
and
they
they
just
say.
B
Okay,
you
know
bring
your
project
onto
solana
or
to
avalanche
and
we'll
give
you
like
avalanche,
rewards
or
will
invest
in
your
project
from
like
the
whatever
the
the
ecosystem
fund
and
then
phantom
did
something
else,
though
like
okay.
B
So,
at
the
end
of
I
think
this
happened
like
yesterday
about
24
hours
like
earlier
from
now
like
andre
konya,
which
is,
I
don't
know,
he's
like
a
famous
dev
he's
like
one
of
the
devs
of
phantom
and
the
air
and
stuff,
and
he
was-
and
he
said,
the
top
20
projects
they're
going
to
have
the
highest
tvl
in
the
next
like.
Until
that
snapshot,
which
is
24
hours
ago,
will
receive
sort
of
like
an
nft,
and
this
nft
will
decide
how
to
distribute
phantom
rewards
across
the
network
which,
which.
B
Because
I
mean
certain
things
happened,
the
first
thing
that
happened.
It
was
like
there's
a
dao
that
all
it
does
is.
Is
you
deposit
like
certain
assets,
so
it
grows
in
tvl
and
then
it
gives
you
its
token.
So
you
can.
B
You
know
like
vote
for
stuff,
and
you
know
you
know,
be
a
part
of
these
20
projects
and
then
a
dao
came
and
it's
called
xerox
dao
and
a
vampire
attack
the
first
one
and
then
it
reached
they
reached
like
two
billion
dollars
in
tpl
within
like
two
hours,
which
is
just
crazy
so
like
just
like
this
whole
liquidity,
wars
and
stuff.
It's
very
interesting
like
on
the
different
incentives
that
you
could
do
to
bring
sort
of
capital.
F
I
think
we
should
be
on
top
of
all
these
developments.
We've
been
kind
of,
I
would
say,
viewed
as
this
slow
down
that
I
mean.
Obviously
we
we
were
early
on
the
forking
idea
of
unit
swap,
but
we
when
we,
when
we
managed
to
fork
and
and
build
our
own
thing,
it
was
too
late
and
and
farming
was
too
late
and
everything
we
did
was
basically
just
like
a
couple
of
months
too
late
and
we
didn't
have
the
momentum.
F
I
think
we
should
be
on
top
of
these
kind
of
things
and
especially
tokenomics.
Now
we
we
do
have
two
different
tokens
that
that
is
suffering
a
little
bit.
I
mean
the
dxd
do
much
better,
obviously,
and
and
we
yeah,
we
shouldn't-
think
about
much
about
price,
but
obviously
there
is
this.
F
We're
yeah
swapper
at
least
is
hurting
and
something's,
not
right.
We
need
to
like.
F
F
We
already
looked
at
the
ve
model
and-
and
I
think
that
together
with
yeah,
maybe
bonding
or
even
some
other
ideas
that
we
are
talking
about
is
a
potential
like
10
steps
forward,
that
we
need
to
take
and
be
be
a
little
bit
in
time
with
with
what
economics
should
be
and
maybe
yeah.
Obviously,
the
style
has
a
lot
of
assets
we
can
use,
and
we
should
be
smart
of
how
we
could
use
that,
but
yeah.
F
B
Yeah,
I'm
I'm
I'm
I'm
exploring
this
area
and
I'm
exploring
like
I
don't
know
different,
because
there
are
like
sort
of
like
d5
protocols
that
are
helping
projects.
You
know
do
these
things
so
exploring
talking
to
these
guys
as
well
and
seeing
if
anyone
any
of
them
might
make
sense
to
serve
like
help
super
cool.
B
B
Yeah
yeah.
I
B
General,
I
think
this
is
super
cool
and
yeah.
I
mean
that
there
are
interesting
stuff
happening
again.
I
think
just
the
whole
vested
escrow
model
for
everything
like
curve.
Does,
I
think
it's
you
know.
They
say
that
you
know
the
the
legacy
system
is
sort
of
like
plutocracy
or
in
whatever
the
u.s
is
an
oligarch
oligopoly
right
and
then
these
systems
are
like
they're,
just
doubling
down
on
that
yeah.
So
if.
B
Money
then
you're
able
to
stake,
and
if
you
you
know
allocate
rewards
to
yourselves
and
it's.
I
don't
think
this
is
very
good
like
overall,
and
I
still
think
you
know
a
system
that
combines
something
like
that
with
non-transferable
voting
power
power
like
voting
power
that
you
need
to
earn
is
probably
the
way
to
go,
but
I
think
we
need
to
experiment
with
things
so
yeah,
that's
kind
of
that.
G
You
know,
communities
that
are
actually
like
just
international
native
communities,
not
necessarily
just
you
know,
crypto
degens
from
the
last
hype
cycle,
but
actually
people
that
could
find
some
real
use
case
with
crypto
like.
If,
if
we
can
offer
a
suite
of
tools
to
them,
you
know
finding
ways
to
align
things
over
the
long
term
will
will
help
with
that
as
well.
Right,
like
imagine,
a
new
token
for
governing
esports
teams
is
like
launched
on
aqua.
G
You
know
finds
liquidity
on,
swap
or
uses
carrot
for,
like
incentives
and
dx
go
up
to
like
govern
everything
right
like
then,
you
know
having
a
good
way
to
incentivize
and
align
like
people
around
providing
liquidity
on
swapper.
For
these,
like
new
communities
like
that,
could
be
really
important
in
the
future.
B
Yeah-
and
I
think
it's
not
it's
not
about
the
token
price
right,
like
many
of
these
things,
like
the
all
they
care
is
like
to
ponzify
their
token,
and
you
know
just
make
it
go
up.
I
don't
think
this
is
the
goal
here.
The
goal
is
to
create
like
something
sustainable,
and
I
think
this
is
yeah.
B
I
think
this
is
what
the
does
well,
it's
it's
not
about
this
short-term
token
spike,
it's
about
something
like
long-term
and
sustainable,
so
yeah,
that's
that
if
there
are
no
other
comments,
maybe
we
can
move
on
to
sort
of
the
discussion
with
the
gnosis
chain.
E
Oh,
it's
pretty
much
the
same
thing
because
ever
since
the
gnosis
chain,
innovation,
dao
had
meeting
with
representatives
from
gnosis
and
they
kind
of
like
pumped
the
brakes
on
liquidity,
mining
incentives
and
said
focus
should
be
solely
on
users
and
interoperability,
and
now
initially,
there
was
kind
of
a
dissatisfaction
that
the
diagnosis
are
testing
the
waters
with
just
giving
the
a
hundred
no,
which
is
at
the
time,
was
about
forty
fifty
thousand
dollars.
I
don't
know
what
it's
worth
now
and
everybody
was
like.
E
What
are
we
gonna
do
with
this
little
amount
of
money
and
gnosis
was
saying
well
prove
to
us
that
you're
going
to
utilize
it
the
way
we
want
to
see
it
utilized
and
then
we'll
give
you
more,
but
now
ever
since
that
meeting
that
money
has
sitting
in
there
and
no
one's
even
come
up
with
a
proposal
to
utilize
it,
which
kind
of
like
shows
everyone
that
liquidity
mining
incentives
is
all
we
know,
and
is
it
a
problem
of
defy
or
the
fact
that
the
overall
ecosystem
has
only
been
been
kind
of
like
revolving
around
d5
and
and
there's
nothing
else.
E
Apart
from
you
know,
opportunistically
shifting
liquidity
from
farm
to
farm
and
maximizing
apy
and
and
there's
nothing
more
to
it.
It's
like
gnosis
are
trying
to
reinvent
crypto
in
making
it
more
than
what
it
is
at
the
moment
which
is
mostly
defy,
but
there
aren't
that
many
innovative
protocols
and
interesting
solutions
that
would
allow
for
users
to
stick
around
and
use
multiple
dapps
on
a
single
network.
E
E
You
know
brand
new
protocols
not
conceived
of
up
until
this
point,
or
do
we
still?
You
know,
try
to
think
of
ways
to
shift
money
in
in
in
the
current
infrastructure
and
then
current
protocols
and
in
between
the
current
apps,
so
yeah.
E
B
Actually
animation,
this
is
a
very
interesting
angle
like
I
I
guess
this
is
sort
of
like
my
spiel
right,
but
like
we
can
come
to
gnosis
and
say
like
we
want
to,
you
know,
have
a
long-term
collaboration.
Let's
create
liquidity
incentives
for
two
years
I
mean
you
can
have
like
you
know
the
minimal
one
is
like
one
year.
The
big
one
is
two
years
and
then
maybe
the
biggest
one
is
three
years,
and
this
really
aligns
the
incentives
of
in
basically
dx,
dow
and
gnosis
chain,
and
it
gives
you
sort
of
yeah.
B
E
Yeah,
I
just
feel
like,
even
if
we
somehow
improve
on
the
tokenomics,
although
on
one
hand
you
know,
when
you're
in
quicksand
the
more
you
move,
the
the
deeper
you
sink,
so
you
don't
really
need
to
change
that.
Often
it
you
know
those
that
change
stuff.
Often
they
may
you
know
ride
a
certain
wave
short
term,
but
that
wave
is
going
to
crash
into
the
sand
and
and
like
it
will
be
no
more
so,
and
I
don't
think
we
need
to
like
reinvent
the
will
when
it
comes
to
defy.
E
We
could
probably
focus
on
what
john
said
and
you
know,
go
before
gnosis
and
ask
them
for
a
grant
to
help
us
build
this
operating
system
to
allow
sports
fans
esports
fans
from
from
all
over
the
world
to
come
over
to
gnosis
and
use
our
dabs,
because
we
have
aqua,
we
have
swapper,
we
have
dx
vote,
we
have
carrot.
E
All
of
these
four
can
converge
into
one
operating
system,
and
this
is
something
I
I
believe
gnosis
could
easily
stand
behind
and
support
us
with
as
much
funds
as
we
need,
and
it's
something
that
no
one
else
already
has
you
know
we.
We
have
these
teams
that
are
just
single
purpose.
Single
product
teams.
A
Yeah
so
nathan,
what
you
described
there
that
echo
system
which
which
dx
dow
wants
to
build
right
and
we
are
building
but
we're
building
some
pieces
of
it
and
that
will,
depending
on
where
we
build
that
ecosystem,
that's
on
gnosis
chain,
then
that
would
likely
bring
people
to
knows
this
chain
that
could
be
on
a
layer
too,
but
we
want
to
build
that,
like
and
and
as
ross
is
pointing
out
like
the
thing
that's
holding
us
back
from
achieving
the
mission
that
dx
dao
has
and
the
vision
is
not
a
grant
from
gnosis
like
having
a
grant
from
gnosis
to
help
us
do.
A
A
They
have
built
some
of
the
frameworks
and
some
of
the
products
from
the
past
that
that
we
have,
and
it's
really
like
the
the
resources,
the
actual
people,
resources
that
could
benefit
the
dx
dao
community,
more
than
like
any
amount
of
grant
like,
even
if
they
give
us
a
three
million
dollar
grant
to
like
build
this
vision,
which
we
already
are
building
we're.
Just
maybe
that
would
help
us
that
would
like
make
it
lean
toward
that
could
help
us
lean
towards
doing
it
on
gnosis
chain
instead
of
another
chain.
A
But
maybe
we
don't
need
that
ground.
We
don't
want
to
be.
We
might
not
want
to
be
beholden
to
a
grant
like
that.
We
just
need
to
build
what
we
already
know.
A
And
the
question
is:
what
do
we
want
that
carrot
to
be?
What
do
we
want?
Those
7
000
people
to
actually
have
incentive
to
do,
and
so
we
need
to
yeah
come
up
with
something
there,
but
that's
like
one
way
to
I
mean
we
could
get
yeah
some
of
that
40
000
of
gno
we
would
use.
We
could
use
some
of
our
own
money
we
could
use.
You
know
if,
depending
on
what
the
incentive
was,
one
idea
was
to
like
have
a
good
donation
target
on
like
giveth,
for
example.
A
If,
if
during
eat
denver
week,
people
gave
you
know
30
000
on
giveth
to
different
communities,
then
that
the
carrot
like
is
basically
fulfilled
and
people
could
claim
their
their
carrot
collateral,
and
so
we
could
team
up
with
gnosis.
We
could
team
up
with
giveth.
We
could
team
up
with
use
some
of
our
own
money
and
we
could
we
could
yeah.
A
A
At
least
leadership
wants
is
like
users,
new
people
discovering
gnosis
people
that
have
used
ethereum,
blockchain
or
maybe
a
lot
of
people
like
denver,
have
never
used
blockchains,
and
so
that
would
be
new
people
coming
to
gnosis
chain
and
to
carrot
dx,
dow
products,
which
would
be
an
interesting
idea.
I
think.
E
Yeah,
I
I
don't
know,
maybe
I've
had
too
much
tea
today,
but
if,
even
if
you're
in
a
way
saying
we
should
keep
grinding
on
our
own,
what
I
took
from
what
you
just
said
was
asking
gnosis
for
3
million,
and
let's
do
that-
and
I
I
don't
think
you
know
ross-
is
saying
in
the
chat,
we're
kind
of
like
doing
well
on
our
own
and
we,
but
I
don't
think
that's,
I
think,
that's
fear.
I
think
we
are
a
little
scared.
E
We
should
we
should.
We
should
go
for
it.
We
should
really
have
a
proper
chat
with
them
and,
and
think
of
you
know,
scaling
up
because
that's
what
this
money
is
for.
They
have
like
400,
000,
no
dedicated
for
growing
the
ecosystem,
and
if,
if
we
have
a
bunch
of
like
like
literally
two
dozens
of
protocols
and
not
a
single
one
of
them,
is
ready
with
a
proposal
to
ask
for
anything.
It's
like
is
everyone
just
non-creative
or
they
don't
have
confidence
in
themselves
like?
This?
E
E
Way
with
with
hackathons
and
attracting
devs
hiring
new
devs,
instead
of
being
scared,
you
know
before
our
you
know,
stakeholders
spending
more
money.
G
The
things
that
are
jumping
out
to
me
from
what
I'm
hearing
here
is
that
gnosis
wants
to
spend
money
on
things
that
they
think
will
bring
new
users,
not
in
like
the
old
yield
farming
games,
which
I
mean,
I
think,
especially
with
the
way
the
market
is
going.
It's
maybe
you
know
that
time
has
passed
and
maybe
makes
sense,
and
so
you
know
I
like
that.
G
The
thing
that
pops,
to
my
mind,
is
like
yeah
if
we
can
bring
new
people
to
the
ecosystem,
like
an
esports
team
or
whatever
like
going
to
gnosis
and
asking
them
to
help
like
match
incentives
or
that
kind
of
thing
might
be
a
good
good
play.
I
like
what
skye
said
about
denver
as
something
that
we
could
do
like
right
now,
right,
I
don't
know
what
else
we
could
do
do
right
now,
so
it
sounds
like
dave
knows
some
things
well,.
A
Dave
you're
mentioning
redo
a
proposal
specific
on
swapper,
like
there's
already
a
proposal,
it's
on
their
forum.
They
had
people.
That
said,
why
would
we
do
this?
And
so,
if
you
know,
martin
koppelman
also
is
like.
Well,
that's
not
that
interesting,
and
so
they
wanted,
like
martin
complement,
saying,
let's,
let's
do
like
okay,
let's
yeah,
we
want
to
give
you
money.
Let's
do
like
like
come
up
with
like
a
proposal
that,
like
is
going
to
achieve
some
of
the
goals
that
no
sustail
wants,
like
users
and
stuff.
A
If
you
have,
if
this
marcelo
guy
who
works
for
the
internal
hedge
fund
or
whatever,
like,
if
he's
saying,
let's
give
rewards
to
get
a
big
dxd,
gno
pool
like
let's
do
that
too,
but
like
that's,
we
already
that's
already
that's
already
there
it's
in
their
forum,
if
we
have
to
add
more
to
make
it
more
interesting
to
gnosis
dow
yeah.
A
Let's
do
that
too,
and
then
what
nathan's
saying
is,
if
we
have
this
like
big
plan
like
we're
gonna,
do
this
awesome
ecosystem
and
we
need
three
million
dollars
to
like
build
this
ecosystem.
Are
they
gonna
give
us
devs
too,
like
like
three
million
dollars
is
great,
but
we
already
have
three
million
dollars.
How
do
we
get
devs
to
help
us
do
the
build
it
faster
like?
We
can
also
do
that.
J
Yeah
I
well,
I
mean
I
met
up
with
marcelo
this
week,
just
to
give
some
context,
and
I
mean
he's
pretty
much-
I
mean
he
works
on
the
diagnosis,
dow
treasury,
but
he's
also
the
guy
responsible
for
the
allocation
of
no
rewards
on
gnosis
chains,
so
he's
pretty
much
calling
the
shots
on
the
whole
no
reward
allocation,
and
I
think
what
he
also
expressed.
I
would
say
sorry.
J
Yeah
and
and
well,
he
suggested,
for
example,
doing
ignore
the
extol
at
tower
no
dxd
pool
and
also
expressed
some
well.
J
But
from
from
what
I
took
away,
they
were
quite
keen
on
you
know
like
extending
some
of
no
rewards
to
dxtile
protocols.
To
you
know,
of
course,
they
say
attract
users
which
I
guess
can
be
interpreted
in
a
lot
of
ways,
but
you
know
I
I
guess
it's
definitely
worth
to
have
a
chat
with
him
directly
and
see
what
maybe
was
missing
from
that
side
and
see
how
we
can
address
that.
For
the
esports
thing
I
mean
I'd,
be
obviously
I'm
very
bullish
on
that.
J
Of
course,
I
think
we're
a
tad
out
of
actually
launching
like
live
governance,
given
that
we
want
dx
volt
to
be
in
a
better
situation.
I
I
had
a
chat
with
stefan
about
that.
He
was
quite
excited
about
it,
maybe
something
we
can
address
later
in
at
a
later
stage.
I
don't
know
if
we
necessarily
need
them,
but
I
think
there
could
also
be
some
cool
advantages.
For
example,
maybe
they'll
have
a
faucet
or
something
right
to
help
onboard
esport
fans,
so
they
don't
need
to.
B
Yeah,
I
want
to
say,
maybe
something
general
here
I
think
I
mean
I'm
all
for
like
joining
and
and
working
with
hypnosis
on
certain
things
and
I
think,
like
obviously
we
can
in
theory
we
have
a
large
enough
treasury.
We
can
do
anything
like
anything.
We
want
really
alone,
but
it's
gonna
be
a
lot
more
difficult,
and
I
think
this
is
like
one
of
the
nicest
thing
about
you
know.
This
entire
ecosystem
is
that
you
can
build
on
what
other
people
have
built
or
you
can.
B
You
know,
integrate
what
they've
done
and
sort
of
like
complement
each
other,
so
I
guess
with
gnosis.
There
are
certain
things
that
we
compete
on,
but
there
are
also
a
lot
of
things
that
we
can
compliment
on
and
yeah
if
we're
using
gnosis
chain.
Like
I
don't
know,
ideally
we
can
be.
We
should
have
some
of
the
best
performing
apps
with
the
highest
tdls
and
the
highest
volumes
and
stuff
like
that,
and
you
know
they
should
also
help
reward
our
users
and
so
that's
kind
of
like
under
my
two
cents.
J
Yeah-
and
I
mean
potentially,
they
also
briefly
spoke
about
the
possibility
of
doing
dxd
no
exchange
between
the
dows,
which
could
help
align
interest
for
both
sides
in
the
long
term
right.
So
if
they
held
some
amount
of
dxd,
of
course,
in
their
treasury
they'd
be
incentivized
to
you,
know,
see
dxd,
succeed
and
help
achieve
that
and
the
same
for
us.
You
know,
but
it's
just
you
know
something
we
talked
about
and,
of
course
it's
also
a
more
complex
thing
to
do.
J
Considering
you
know,
dxd
trading
well
way
below
nav,
etc,
but
that's
also
an
option.
That's
on
the
table
and
I
think
that's
a
very
interesting
option.
We
should
pursue
not
only
with
knowledge
this,
but
in
general,
with
other
dows
or
teams.
We're
really
excited
about.
You
know
I
think
large
otc
dxd
to
whatever
their
token
is.
It
could
be
a
great
way.
You
know
to
diversify
the
treasury
and
also
show
support
for
other
projects,
and
you
know
acquire
some
tokens
like
that.
A
Yeah
I
mean
these
token
swaps.
Are:
we've
talked
about
these
for
a
while.
The
main
issue
has
always
been:
every
community
thinks
that
their
own
token
is
undervalued,
and
so,
in
order
to
get
these
things
done,
even
if
you
know
your
token
is
undervalued
and
the
other
project
thinks
their
token
is
undervalued.
A
G
A
Yeah
I
mean
we
had
a.
We
had
a
token
swap
opportunity
with
them
in
the
past.
That
was
small
to
get
something
started
and,
and
it
yeah
it
didn't.
We
couldn't
reach
consensus
that
it
was
appropriate
to
do
and
dxd.
I
guess,
is
a
little
in
a
slightly
better
position
now,
maybe
not
today,
but
it's
almost
like
a
yeah.
It's
it's
not
like
you're.
Releasing
to
this
market
and
they're
gonna
anyone's
gonna
dump.
It
probably
I
mean
people
have
the
opportunity
to,
but
it's
really
to
align,
yeah
align
interest
more
than
currently.
G
Yeah,
I
think,
the
last
time
that
conversation
was
approached.
It
was
also
around
like
the
omen,
split
and
there's.
I
think
some
disagreement
around
there
and
I
think,
there's
maybe
clearer
opportunities
for
collaboration
with
nurses,
chain
cow
swap
you
know,
etc.
So
it
might
be.
I
think
it's
probably
worth
revisiting
and
yeah.
G
A
Yeah
yeah,
I
mean
in
this
proposed
idea,
though,
with
like
a
dxd
gno
pair
on
swapper,
like
the
part
of
that.
A
token
swap
would
probably
be
to
like
yeah
include,
maybe
both
use
that
as
liquidity
in
that
type
of
pair
on
swapper.
That
would
be
a
probably
a
win-win.
Also.
A
Yeah,
it
would
be.
We
talked
about
having
a
feature
where
we
could
do
that
in
a
trustless
manner,
where
we,
both
we
put
in
the
dxe
side
they
put
in
gno,
and
we
actually
split
the
lp
tokens
on
that
which
and
that's
something
we
could
use
for
a
few
different
other
projects
as
well,
and
we've
been
talking
about
that
feature
for
a
year
now
and
we
still
don't
have
it.
But
the.
G
Main
the
main
thing
with
yeah
I
mean
there's
a
feature
of
of
like
the
double
style
or
whatever
right
like
we
don't
have
the
trustless
matching
of
liquidity
right,
but
I
mean
if
there
was
a
good
use
case
it
could
be.
We
are
building
like
a
relayer
right
now
to
trade
on
swapper.
If
we
were
like.
Oh,
we
really
want
to
do
this
type
of
thing,
and
we
have
a
great
example
of
why
we
want
to
do
it.
G
B
Yeah
so
I
know:
does
anyone
does
anyone
else
have
anything
else
they
want
to
talk
about?
I
think
we're
just
a
bit
over
time.
We
didn't
want
to
do.
We
want
to
mention
any
things
about
if
denver,
I
heard
it's
going
to
be
crap.
A
A
The
I
mean
the
most
important
thing
and
obviously
john
is
probably
going
to
make
this
video,
but
the
there's
been
some
good
agreement
on
a
set
of
bounties,
which
is
an
important
part
of
eat.
Denver
we'll
have
that
video
made
explain
what
the
bounties
are
and
some
writing
about
it
get
that
to
eat
denver
team.
They
share
that
yeah.
We
can't
share
these
publicly
yet
so
we've
been
mentioning
to
people
we're
having
about
bounties
at
denver,
and
we
can
mention
that
we're
going
to
be
there
and
we're
we
have
bounties.
A
We
just
can't
say
what
they
are
like
publicly
anything,
but
we
could
start
a
tweet
or
social
media.
You
know
just
to
let
hackers
and
you
know,
try
to
like
link
ourselves
heavily
with
eat.
Denver,
eat,
denver's
tweeting
about
eat
denver
every
day
right,
and
so
we
start
to
like
somehow
yeah
stand
out
in
that
conversation
would
be
cool
just
so
people
when
they
get
there.
A
They're,
like
oh
yeah,
dx
dallas,
got
bounties
too
and
then
and
then
like
having
a
plan
for
how
to
engage
with
as
many
people
at
eat
denver
as
possible,
especially
devs
and
and
young
people,
and
then,
if,
if
we
do
think
this
idea
of
handing
out
carrot
tokens,
I
mean
we
don't
have
to
have
7000,
we
could
have
200.
A
Karat
tokens
come
up
with
some
budget
for
this,
but
I
think
trying
to
get
the
question
is
what
what
do
we
want
that
carrot
to
be,
but
handing
out
physical,
carrots
and
physical
carrots
that
they
can
have
digital
carrots?
They
can
go
claim
from
carrot
and
then
try
to
achieve
that.
Incentive
would
be
a
really
cool
in
real
life
experiment,
but
we
need
some
yeah
more
concrete
idea
for
what
we
want
like
a
carat
incentive
to
be.
I
don't
think
it's
like
dxd
price
or
something.
A
I
think
we
want
some
action
that
people
can
take,
but
it
could.
It
will
get
people
aware
of
carrot
if
we're
handing
out
free
free
carrot,
tokens
for
sure.