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hello
and
welcome
to
the
digsdow
fizz
dev
call
from
monday
september,
27th
2021
yeah,
so
on
the
agenda
today.
I
think
we
have.
We
first
have
a
few
new
member
introductions
and
then
we
have
a
couple
of
teams
from
the
any
type
team
that
are
here
that
are
gonna
share
like
so
I
met
jana
from
any
type
and
well
we'll
talk
about
this
in
a
bit,
but
I
think
this
is
a
very
interesting
fit
for
geeksdale
yeah.
A
B
Yeah
sure,
thanks
so
hey
everyone,
we
do
have
a
few
new
member
introductions
today,
I'd
like
to
first
introduce
smoot
if
you're
on.
It
would
be
great
if
you
could
just
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
yourself.
Just
like
your
area
of
expertise,
some
of
your
past
work
and
then
how
you
found
out
about
dx
staff.
C
C
I
don't
know
how
many
of
you
are
familiar
with
your
protocol
yeah.
So
I
worked
with
people
and
I'm
creating
a
note-taking
tool
to
kind
of
improve
collaborations
with
team
members
and
everything.
Then
I
also
worked
on
the
governance
tool
with
people
that
I
don't
know
a
lot
about
like
I
didn't
get
a
lot
of
details
about
what
the
governor
still
was
supposed
to
do.
It
just
gave
me
a
big
idea
and
I
came
up
with
something
pretty
good.
I
think
yeah.
C
So
I
came
across
the
dx
style
about
a
couple
of
months
ago
and
I
was
looking
at.
I
was
actually
looking
at
taking
a
roll
applying
for
a
row.
Then
people
reached
out
to
me
that
I
wanted
to
introduce
me
to
geronimo
and
yeah.
I
started
talking
with
general.
I
was
like,
oh
my
god,
it's
from
the
exta,
so
yeah,
I'm
just
really
looking
forward
to
how
I
can
contribute
to
the
community
and
creates
you
know
wonderful
products
and
yeah.
B
Awesome
well
welcome,
welcome
and
then
we
did
have
another
introduction
soon
deep.
I
know
I
think
he
was
able
to
join
the
call
last
week,
but
I
just
wanted
to
welcome
you
here
at
the
biz
dev
call
to
the
rest
of
the
community.
So
if
you
would
like
to
just
introduce
yourself
really
quickly,
just
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
yourself,
your
past
work
and
how
you
found
out
about
dx
staff.
D
D
D
Took
me
a
lot
of
years
to
you,
know
self,
learn
about
how
smart
contracts
work
and
everything,
but
never
got
a
chance
to
work
at
any
project,
because
my
web
two
fundamentals
weren't
there.
So
that's
how
I
started
learning
everything
and
landed
at
some
freelance
contracts
at
2021,
especially
with
extra
team.
I
am
one
of
the
core
contributors
at
omni
bridge,
helping
around
on
the
front-end
side
as
well,
as
did
some
bounties
and
sub-craft
development
for
harmony
blockchain.
D
So
that's
that
now
I
I
came
across
swapper
with
the
help
of
periodontal.
If
someone
doesn't
know
it's
actually
a
co
node
owning
platform,
if
you
do
not
have
enough
state
to
like
you,
know,
become
a
validator
on
your
own.
So
if
you
want
to
become
a
co-validator,
you
can
just
join
data
once
take
your
extra
stick.
So
that's
how
I
came
to
know
bootswapper
and
eventually
about
dx
tau.
I
came
to
know
about
melanie
and
you
know
I
just
joined.
We
are
there
so
yeah.
That's
me.
A
A
Awesome,
so
I
guess
so
for
the
next
kind
of
we
have
a
like
a
partner
presentation
of
any
type,
and
I
think,
like
any
type
has
been
mentioned
in,
like
you
know
our
key
based
chats.
I
think
I
don't
know
maybe
10
or
15
times
across
the
past
two
years.
I
was
you
know,
I
think
geronimo
first
mentioned
it,
and
then
I
was
kind
of
following
them
and
then
about
a
month
a
month
and
a
half
ago,
they
they
started.
A
I
saw
that
they
are
opening
up
for
alpha
testers
and
yeah.
I
basically
applied
and
I
got
on
a
call
with
them
kind
of
like
got
into
like
the
the
testing
program
and
since
then
yeah
I
I
managed
to
get
on
on
a
call
with
janna
from
any
type
and
then
and
with
anton,
and
I
think,
there's
so
much
so
many
good
things
that
kind
of
like
intersect
between
you
know
the
the
ethos
of
geeks
down
any
type
and
like
this
is.
A
E
You
so
much
for
for
this
intro.
We
are
very
excited
to
be
here
because
we're
actually
building
the
new
operating
system
for
serving
individuals
and
communities,
and
this
is
exactly
the
historian
community
and
we
would
love
to
share
the
vision
of
how
like
where
we
go
and
see
if,
if
it's
exciting
for
you
and
how
we
can
maybe
go
together,
so
how
we
want
to
approach
this
you
want
to.
I
would
like
first
to
share.
B
E
E
F
E
Okay,
okay,
so
just
to
start
that
our
mission
is
to
empower
sustainable
cooperation,
building
tools
for
thought,
freedom
and
trust,
because
we
deeply
believe
that
cooperation
is
the
single
most
important
thing
that
allowed
us
humans
to
achieve
everything
that
we
have
in
front
of
our
eyes
and
the
fact
that
we
can
can
have
this
call.
Today.
E
E
It
was
born
as
a
part
of
apple
macintosh
project
when
external
developers,
when
apple
computers,
invited
external
developers
to
extend
the
functionality
of
the
operating
system.
Companies
such
as
adobe
and
microsoft
proposed
proprietary
file
formats
packed
in
what
they
called
an
application:
a
standalone
piece
of
software
that
represented
the
business
unit,
and
it
was
on
purpose
of
this
of
this
false
that
or
proprietary
format,
that
the
the
data
would
be
closed
inside
these
walls.
For
for
companies
to
be
able
to
make
money
in
the
late
night.
E
In
the
late
90s,
these
applications
moved
into
the
cloud
creating
the
web
that
we
know
today,
and
they
became
proprietary
databases
that
started
to
store
all
our
objects
and
entities
and
the
way
we
connect
with
our
other
people
on
various
companies
servers
and
because
developers
for
storing
this
information,
they
became
owners
of
this
information.
I
know
this
is
nothing
new
for
you
just
summarizing
what
where
we
are,
but
what's
wrong
with
all
of
that.
First
of
all,
all
our
objects
are
scattered,
and
this
is
like
broken
thoughts.
E
You
can't
connect
your
own
ideas
to
your
the
information
that
you
know
into
your
unique.
Like
second
brain,
you
have
some
compartments
that,
basically
don't
speak
to
each
other,
but
that's
not
only
this.
We
have
mass
surveillance,
censorship
and
most
of
all,
most
of
the
value
has
been
monopolized
by
the
platform
providers
that
gave
us
tools
to
create,
but
they
also
own
what
we
create,
and
we
think
this
is.
F
E
We
think
that
building
this
kind
of
building
software
this
way
on
a
global
scale,
it's
a
lot
of
waste
waste
of
resources
and
not
a
lot
of
ideas
are
eventually
get
funded.
So
there
should
be
a
better
way,
but
the
big
question
remains:
can
we
imagine
a
world
without
applications
and
with
any
type
we
think
we
can?
So
any
type
is
an
operating
system
for
digital
objects
and
it's
built
on
three
innovations.
E
The
first
innovation
is
the
new
metaphor,
objects
instead
of
applications,
and
it
just
allows
people
to
work
with
information
the
way
their
brains
already
do.
The
second
innovation
is
the
business
model,
digital
cooperative.
That
would
motivate
all
its
contributors,
be
it
users,
developers
or
designers
to
build
one
product
and
ecosystem
that
they
collectively
own.
And
finally,
it
has
a
new
architecture-
local
first
and
peer-to-peer
that
guarantees
user
service
over
data
and
gives
some
performance
benefits,
such
as
speed
of
use
and
the
ability
to
work
offline.
E
E
This
is
exactly
where
we
are
now
and
in
order
to
use
this
first
version
of
any
type,
you
need
to
understand
four
four
concepts,
because
we
are
not
taking
some
approach
that
already
exists
in
software,
so
we
need
to
introduce
some
new
concepts
to
to
enable
the
user
to
get
full
full
power
of
any
type.
So
the
first
concept
is
the
concept
of
an
object.
Everything
inside
any
type
is
an
object.
People,
locations,
dates,
books
and
music
and
devices.
E
E
Graph
in
knowledge
graph
is
the
universal
data
structure
that
is
a
very
powerful
foundation
for
all
things
that
will
come
next,
such
as
automations
machine
learning
modules
and
personal
assistants
that
I
hope
will
finally
work
like
magic,
because
the
the
data
itself
is
structured
not
only
that
any
type
separates
data
from
the
interface.
So,
while
the
interfaces
will
inevitably
change
with
advances
in
technology,
like
maybe
in
10
years,
we
have
some
3d
interfaces
or
some
virtual
reality.
E
E
So
the
second
concept,
important,
is
the
concept
of
relation
relations
are
exactly
are
objects
that
connect
other
objects
in
the
graph.
They
answer
a
question:
what
is
the
meaning
of
this
connection
so
here
on
the
in
the
graph
view
this
is
like
these
are
the
names
of
the
arrows
that
can
connect
the
subjects,
for
example,
radius,
code,
this
connected
to
commercial
1984
and
blade
runner
with
a
relation
called
directed,
of
course,
in
the
interface
they
look
like
arrows
only
in
the
graph
view
in
a
normal
object.
E
E
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
objects
are
different
because
because,
because
they
are
and
the
object
type
is
answers,
the
question
what
the
subject
is,
and
it
controls
how
the
object
looks
and
what
relations
has
so,
for
example,
tasks.
They
look
like
tasks
and
have
relations
such
as
status
as
I
need
you
date
and
people.
E
What
what's
cool
is
that,
with
the
same
with
the
same
tools
that
you
build
your
documents
and
personal
pages,
you
build,
you
can
build
your
your
object
types.
So,
for
example,
if
any
type
is
missing,
some
object
type,
you
can
just
drag
and
drop,
build
your
own
deciding
how
it
looks
and
assigning
the
relations
that
this
object
type
has,
and
the
final
concept
is
a
concept
of
a
set.
It's
we
call
it
as
an
upgrade
to
of
databases.
E
It's
a
set
is
a
collection
of
objects
that
share
some
relations.
It's
a
part
of
the
graph
that
you
can
look
like
a
database
and
you
can
sort
filter
and
choose
the
view
for
this
objects.
For
example,
a
set
of
objects
with
the
type
of
video
is
a
set
of
videos
or
a
set
of
objects
with
the
type
of
task
is
a
set
of
tasks,
and
I
think,
with
the
next
release,
you
would
be
also
able
to
create
sets
with
any
shared
relation.
E
E
E
Remember
these
names
of
the
arrows
types
are
the
objects
that
define
other
objects,
how
they
look
and
what
relations
they
have
remember
how
tasks
are
different
from
people
and
from
videos
and
finally,
sets
are
a
break
upgrade
to
databases,
it's
a
collection
of
objects
that
share
some
relations
and
that
you
can
sort
filter
and
choose
view
for.
That's
that's
all
from
my
site
and
now
and
I
will
show
a
more
interesting
part
of
how
all
of
this
works
in
the
in
inside
any
type.
Alpha.
H
H
Really,
okay,
so
on
the
left,
you
the
any
type,
desktop
application
which
is
currently
available
in
alpha
for
linux,
windows
and
mac
os
on
the
right.
You
will
see
the
latest
alpha
of
any
type
running
on
my
google
pixel,
which
I'm
just
streaming
to
my,
and
I
don't
have
it
on
the
new
ios
simulator.
We
also
value
type
in
a
closed
version
of
our
closed
alpha
testing
with
about
130
of
our
users.
H
H
H
Likewise,
we
have
something
similar
for
companies
and
for
communities
and
having
obviously
links
and
resources
and
relations
down
here,
which
can
be
you
know
whatever
you
want
them
to
be
your
headquarters,
links
links
out
to
other
founders,
other
objects
of
other
people
and
then
sets.
But
I
think
what
we'll
do
now
is
the
first
thing
I
will
show
you
guys,
because
we're
short
on
time
is
just
how
easy
it
is
to
create
a
new
object.
H
H
So
if
you
start
with
a
draft
or
you
have
an
idea,
you
can
generate
a
task
or
have
it
evolve
into
a
project
without
losing
any
of
the
content
or
any
of
your
data
or
any
of
the
relations
that
are
involved.
So,
let's
just
say
so.
This
is
the
canvas.
It's
like
a
block-based
editor.
You
can
have
various
kinds
of
texts,
lists
media
if
you've
used
medium
or
ghost,
or
I
think
I
think
the
latest
versions
of
wordpress
you'd
be
very
used
to
this
sort
of
and
drop
block
based
canvas.
H
E
Johnny
we're
going
to
say
something,
but
you
can
of
course
add
other
texts,
text
blocks
and
pictures
and
and
everything
else,
and
the
specifically
focuses
that
on
top
of
that,
you
can
add
different
relations
now
and
because
he
chose
the
block
the
the
type
book.
The
relations
that
are
relevant
for
books
are
surfaced
here.
H
And
if
you
wanna
make,
if
you
want
to
make
columns,
you
can
click
and
drag.
You
can
move
anything
around
that
you'd,
like
oh
we'll,
just
add
one
more
here,
just
just
to
kind
of
see
you
guys
get
an
idea,
so
these
are
relations
very
easy
to
move
and
to
manipulate.
You
can
see
all
of
the
relations
inside
of
your
antitype,
because
an
object
can
have
an
infinite
amount
of
relations.
H
H
H
We
can
add
a
rating
if
we
want
it
makes
sense
and
let's
lie
and
say
that
we've
finished
reading
this,
so
I
filled
in
the
relations
there.
They're
now
surfaced
back
on
the
canvas
here.
If
we
want
to
go
back
into
relations,
we
can
create
featured
relations
which
allow
us
to,
like
you
saw
on
the
company
page
or
in
my
profile
page,
to
just
highlight
the
most
important
relations
right
up
here
in
the
top
in
the
canvas.
H
H
And
then
there
we
go
so
we
have
a
nice
bookmark
for
goodreads
as
well,
if
we
want
so.
These
are
our.
This
is
a
very
simple
look
at
the
canvas
inside
of
any
type,
then
the
relations
and
the
blocks
and
how
you
can
make
pages
of
your
own
at
the
top
right.
We
have
any
type
things
peer-to-peer
encrypted
with
your
devices.
G
K
A
G
A
Yeah,
so
maybe
I
can
fire
this
up.
I
think
I
already
discussed
this
with
you
guys,
but
we're
looking
into
sort
of
like
the
collaboration
aspects
of
this-
and
I
I
think
also
something
like
from
something
else
to
point
out-
is
that
this
is
all
like
self-hosted
and
runs
on
like
each
individual
laptop
and
then
yeah.
How
do
we,
how
to
figure
out
sort
of
the
collaboration
before
this.
E
Yes,
so
the
today
we
have
any
type
as
for
personal
use.
Only
so
it
works
cross-platform.
You
can
you
sync
all
of
your
data
in
the
peer-to-peer
way
across
all
your
devices,
the
well
all
the
all.
The
data
is
stored
locally
on
your
machine.
All
the
logic
is
executed
also
locally,
and
then
you
sure
you
share
the
changes
in
the
peer-to-peer
way
either
for
our
backup,
note
or
or
directly
next
year
is
a
big
year
for
us.
E
F
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
add
that
this
year
we
focused
on
the
tooling
and
the
next
year
you
can.
You
will
be
able
to
use
this
tooling,
for,
for
example,
for
your
dao.
You
can
create
your
own
forum
like
or
like
wikilike
page
and
manage
it
in
fully
decentralized
way
and
like
a
public
page
and
the
same
time,
you
can
create
your
own
private
space.
F
F
A
Yeah,
okay,
so
like
I
was
actually
thinking
about
how
to
make
this
possibly
collaborative,
and
you
know
we
could
all
use
the
same
sort
of
key.
We
can
share
it
between
each
other,
like
whoever
is
in
the
team,
and
then
we
can
create
pages
and
like
it
won't
have
like
the
ability
to
tag
each
other
or
have
notifications.
But
you
know
it
would
it
would
still
work.
So
I'm
guessing
you
wanna
you're,
talking
about
doing
something
similar.
B
F
We
don't
have
public
roadmap
yet,
but
we
plan
to
release
it
with
our
new
community
forum.
We
plan
to
have
something
like
roadmap.
We
are
really
careful
with
public
roadmap
because
it's
really
hard
to
predict
when
what
will
be
ready,
because
sometimes
we
meet
unexpected
problems,
and
sometimes
it
takes
much
more
time
than
we
expect
to
solve
them.
This
is
why
it's
it's
not.
There.
H
Exactly
sorry
yeah,
so
I
didn't
really
know
where
to
pick
up
from
so
I
thought
what
I
would
do,
while
everybody
was
talking,
was
just
move
from
having
created
one
object
there,
which
was
a
book
to
now
creating
a
set
of
objects
for
our
any
type.
So
what
I've
done
is
I
just
created
a
new
set.
You
saw
the
book
that
we
made
earlier
before
I
turned
into
a
robot.
H
Please
excuse
me
and
we
can
just
pop
back
in
and
there
we
go.
They've
already
been,
that's
already
been
filled
and
if
I
make
changes
here,
they
are
of
course
reflected
there.
So
this
is
how
we
use
sets
and
how
we
can
work
with
many
different
objects
or
even
create
new
objects
in
line
from
our
grid
or
from
our
kanban
very
quickly.
H
H
So
we
have
all
these
templates
built
into
all
of
our
objects.
Now
so
what
we
can
do
is
we
can
just
fill
in
these
required
relations
very
quickly
and
we're
going
to
give
this
task
to
janna,
for
example,
and
will
that
work
we'll
just
do
that
brilliant,
that's
linked
there
as
well,
and
we
just
give
this
to
demo
tag
as
well.
Why
not
just
to
round
things
out
cool,
so,
let's
create
a
new
task
which
is
inside
of
our
annie
type.
H
You
can
see
that
linked
here
on
the
canvas
and
if
we
went
to
click
navigation
up
here,
we
would
see
the
bi-directional
links
for
this
book.
So
we
can
see
here
we
have
the
book
itself.
We
can
go
one
step
forward
and
it
links
out
to
shanna
because
we've
assigned
this
to
her
and
it
links
back
then,
obviously
to
the
to
the
book,
which
is
where
it
was
first
created.
So
we
can
open
this
task
again
and
we
can
see
it
there.
This
is
another
one
of
our
layouts
inside
of
any
type.
H
So
what's
really
awesome
about
sets
is
because
sets
are
every
single
object
that
you
have
inside
of
your
any
type.
So
you
can
obviously
find
your
objects
with
these
bidirectional
links.
There's
also
a
very
comprehensive
search
for
either
the
title
or
the
contents
of
every
object
up
top
or
you
can
pop
into
the
set,
and
then
you
can
see
every
single.
So
this
is
a
task
list
I
made
earlier
where
you
can
see
every
single
task.
That's
inside
of
my
any
type.
L
E
So,
for
example,
if
you
have
lots
of
meeting
summaries
and
you
drop
some
tasks
there
and
some
tasks
there,
you
don't
need
to
do
any
extra
work.
You
can
go
just
to
your
tasks
and
see
be
sure
that
all
of
the
things
that
you
dropped
all
over
the
place
are
still
collected
in
one
and
that
you
can
manage
your
own
workflow,
be
it
get
things
done
or
some
other
way.
H
H
F
F
A
F
Basically,
your
account
is
encrypted
with
a
private
key
which
is
generated
on
your
machine
and
all
documents
like
object
and
objects,
use
symmetry
cryptography
so
that
you
can
also
rotate
and
almost
not
almost
all
the
business
logic
written
in
golang
and
compiled
in
cross-platform
library
and
this
library
talks
with
grpc
vrgpcivi's
fin
clients.
So
we
have
native
clients
kotlin
on
android,
swift
on
ios
and
electron
for
cross
platform,
desktop
application.
F
E
L
F
F
Currently,
we
use
something
like
deterministic
merge
and
but
we
store
all
the
changes
and
all
the
history
in
in
the
case,
if
you
don't
like
the
result
of
how
conflict
was
solved,
you
can
rebuild
the
version
manually
because
you
have
an
interface
the
way
travel
through
all
the
changes
you
have
and
also
we
plan
to
solve
this.
As
we
know,
it's
a
hard
problem
to
solve,
and
we
also
plan
to
solve
it.
E
So
already
today,
you
have
a
full
version,
history
for
which
you
can
travel,
but
collaboration
would
need
a
separate
interface
for
conflicts
that
would
sometimes
arise.
What's
good
is
that
we
have
this
block
based
approach,
so
the
conflict
would
only
be
a
real
conflict
if
the
same
block,
as
edited
by
by
different
people.
H
A
Of
time,
but
I
I
just
want
to
say
a
few
words,
I
think
any
type
is
like
you
know,
speaking
to
lots
of
organizations
over
time
like
any
type,
seems
to
be
like
very,
very
much
in
line
with
like
what
dick
style
wants
to
do
and
build,
and
you
know
from
like
decentralization
self-sovereignty,
and
you
know
ownership
and
yeah
the
product
itself.
Is
you
know
it's
it's
still
an
alpha,
but
I
think
that
in
the
future
this
could
solve
a
lot
of
the
problems
that
we've
had.
A
We
have
and
had
in
the
style
with
you
know,
team
collaboration
and
and
stuff
like
that
and
yeah.
I
don't
know
like.
I
would
like
to
figure
out
personally,
I
think
like
I
would
like
to
figure
out
a
way
from
for
the
excel,
both
to
be
a
design
partner
for
this
and
also
yeah,
for
an
opportunity
for
dx
ventures
to
invest.
A
A
So
I
think
ross
is
asking
if
you
can
access
it
from
the
browser,
and
I
just
want
to
maybe
add
to
like
I
don't
know
if
you
can
but
like
an
app
that
you
have
to
use
a
browser,
and
you
know
calling
someone
else's.
Basically
webpage
is
inherently,
it
will
never
be
decentralized.
I
mean
I
think,
there's
going
to
be
some
considerable
movements
towards
like
self-hosted
applications,
for
you
know
for
all
the
crypto
stuff.
Why
would
I
go
to
uni
swap
dot
to
the
uniso
pns
rather
than
on?
A
E
E
E
Yes,
yes,
this
is
exactly
the
thing
that
it's
extendable,
so
you
all
the
things
like
polls
and
voting
and
the
all
that,
for
example,
dao
of
management,
things
can
be
run
inside
inside
any
type.
It
can
be
at
the
same
time
like
a
front
page
of
a
community
and
a
back
office
to
manage
all
of
this,
and
it
currently
doesn't
is
not
connected
to
any
blockchain.
But
it's,
of
course,
will
be
connected
to
many
protocols.
E
F
E
Yes,
we
have
this
crazy
idea
that,
because
the
data
is
the
is
user
owned
and
opened
now
we
don't
need
that
many
windows
anymore,
that
we
can
have
one
beautiful
wind
window.
That
is
infinitely
extendable,
that
external
developers
can
add
the
lego
pieces
into
it
that
we
can
collaboratively
build
and
that
would
be
used
as
both
the
front
pages
of
all
the
things
that
we
want
and
the
back
offices
of
all
the
things
that
we
need.
K
A
K
A
B
M
Yes,
for
anyone
on
the
call
or
in
the
community
can
please
continue
to
forward
any
ideas
or
interests
from
different
communities
that
have
that
could
could
be
good
partners
in
a
in
upcoming
farming
collaborations
for
the
different
epochs
and
so
yeah,
we'll
see
how
you
know.
We've
made
some
adjustments
from
the
first
epoch,
where
there
were
a
handful
of
tokens
that
were
focused
on
and
we're
adjusting
those.
So
some
newer
tokens
and
things
like
that
so
we'll
be
able
to
once
this
rolls
out
and
launches
towards
the
end
of
this
week.
M
M
A
M
M
We've
also
been
discussing
because
figuring
there's
a
currently
the
way
this
ecosystem
works
is
like
lots
of
people
are
doing
all
different
things
from
their
own
perspective
and
there's
no
really
great
one
place
where
you
can
see
what
all
the
options
are
and
use
those
options,
and
things
like
that,
and
I
believe
that
that
is
what
the
goal
around
you
know.
The
swapper
experience
is
when
it
comes
to
bridges,
and
so
we're
also
talking
to
and
reaching
out
to
any
of
the
bridge
options
that
exist.
Some
of
those
are
fast
withdrawals.
M
Some
of
those
are
going
to
be
one-off,
unique
ones.
I
think,
with
like
the
way
maker
will
have
an
ability
to
withdraw
potentially
ave
as
well
and
so
figuring
out
how
to
integrate
all
of
the
relevant
options
into
what
we're
guess.
Calling
the
swapper
bridge
is
not
easy,
but
if
we
can
figure
it
out
it,
I
think
that
the
swapper
bridge
becomes
a
really
important
tool
for
anyone
in
the
arbitrary
mainnet
ecosystem,
and
then
it
actually
extends
to
more
than
just
arbitrary.
A
M
Well,
well,
cross
chain
transactions
where,
like
you
said,
you're
on
you,
know
one
chain,
and
you
say
I
want
to
sell,
I
want
to
sell
eat
for
die
and
get
that
dial
and
arbitrarily
yeah.
They
can't
like.
Yes,
you
that
die
on
another
chain,
that's
like
next
level
stuff
which
that
I
think
is
clearly
being
thought
about
and
and
some
people
are
playing
around
with
it,
but
that
experience
is
is
definitely
trickier
and
then
there's
like.
M
How
do
you
make
sure
that
the
user
is
aware
of
the
security
around
those
chains
when
you're
like
doing
cross
chain?
Swaps
like
you
might
want
some
asset,
but
you
don't
want
that
asset
on
some
chain
that
you're
not
comfortable
with,
so
you
have
to
kind
of
give
preferences
of
what
chains
a
user
is
comfortable
with,
and
things
like
that.
A
B
A
Antoine
I'm
going
to
open
like
a
telegram
group
between
dick's
daughter
and
type
where
we
can
continue
the
conversation
there.
So
that's
that
and
I
think
we
have
like
one
other
main
topic
on
the
agenda
and
it's
maybe
a
summary
of
maynet
and
emcon,
which
maybe
john
touched
on
a
little
bit
at
the
beginning
of
the
call.
But
I
know
john
skye
chris,
do
you
guys
want
to
share
more
information.
M
You
know
everyone
kind
of
knew
dao's
were
coming,
but
a
lot
of
people
just
talked
about
dowsing
coordination
now
and
and
dx
dao
is
doing
it
in
a
unique
way
and
so
stands
out
versus
a
bunch
of
the
other
experiments
of
how
other
people
are
doing
it.
And
there
are
interesting
conversations
like
you
know,
people
from
significant
dow,
tooling
projects
in
the
space
that
you
know
publicly
say
like
they
don't
believe
in
reputation
and
there's
a
bunch
of
reasons.
M
If
someone
just
says
the
word
reputation
like,
I
believe
in
reputational
governance
like
there
can
be
other
definitions
for
reputation
like
what
you
think
of
a
certain
person
or
something
like
that
and
so
defining
what
those
are
and-
and
I
think
I
think
that
will
be
a
popular
topic
in
lisbon
as
well.
So
we
can
talk
about
internally
at
the
retreat,
but
we
can
also
talk
about
it
at
the
events.
A
lot
and
things
too.
J
Talking
are
more
at
a
pretty
superficial
level
like
folks
that
are
engaging
people
on
twitter
and
maybe
get
a
lot
of
followers,
but
they're
sort
of
just
you
know
either
like
parroting,
some
kind
of
buzzwords
and
stuff,
rather
than
being
true
practitioners
of
what's
going
on,
and
I
think
the
folks
we
have
here.
We
have
like
far
and
away
more
experienced
than
like
95
of
the
folks
that
that
are
talking
about
this
stuff
and
I
think
that's
it's
an
opportunity
for
us
to
engage
and
start
leading
the
conversation.
J
Whether
it's
about
you
know
the
legal
aspects
of
what's
going
on.
Treasury
management,
like
deployment
processes
like
dow
tooling,
like
all
of
that,
like
we're
very
deep
and
could
could
easily
be
speaking
at
conferences
about
this
stuff,
and
I
think
we
need
to
find
ways
to
you
know
start
getting
out
there
and
talking
more,
and
I
think
lisbon
will
be
a
good
great
opportunity
for
us
to
kind
of
do
that.
Like
kind
of
jump
start
that
internally.
N
N
I
completely
agree
with
what
john
said
about
the
both
the
corporate
kind
of
feel
of
mainnet
and
then
also
the
who's
kind
of
up
there
speaking
and
maybe
missing
some
actual
experience
in
those
areas.
But
in
terms
of
the
actual
like
interesting
conversations
or
narrative
at
mainnet,
it
was
pretty
clear
all
about
a
multi-chain
future
that
relies
on
the
next
generation
of
blockchains,
whether
that
be
ethereum,
layer,
twos
or
avalanche
or
terra,
and
any
of
the
others,
and
then
also
what
the
bridges
are
that
are
connecting
them.
N
N
A
N
J
Like
you,
you
end
up
people
end
up
just
talking
about
what
people
are
talking
about,
whether
or
not
there's
any
substance,
and
I
think
it's
smart
to
just
kind
of
stick
to
the
stick
to
your
guns.
And
you
know
these
things
will
ebb
and
flow,
and
one
thing
will
be
cool
this
week
and
something
else
would
be
cool.
L
O
Yep,
but
I
think
you
know
just
defining
further
what
reputation
means
to
us
and
then
disseminating
that
information
further,
I
think,
will
make
a
big
difference,
because
you
know
in
all
of
this
you
know
there's
the
question
of
what's
a
dao
and
it
appears
to
look
different
for
a
lot
of
different
people
so
defining
what
is
a
doubt
to
us.
I
think
it's
pretty
clear
how
important
decentralization
is
and
maintaining
that,
and
you
know
so
I
think
just
defining
all
of
those
further
and
then
disseminating
them
further
will
be
really
exciting.
A
Yeah,
I
I
think
I
think
what
kind
of
like
john
and
chris
was
sort
of
alluding
to
is
that
you
know
a
lot
of
people
are
talking
about
dows
from
like
the
outside.
They
never
actually
participated,
never
actually
done
anything
or
you
know
someone
gave
them
an
airdrop,
and
then
they
are
part
of
this
this
or
that
dal.
So
and
then
you
know
they
want
to
become
thought
leaders,
so
you
know
they.
J
Yeah
like
to
put
it
kind
of
concretely
as
an
example,
I
had
a
conversation
with
somebody
at
the
graf
party
in
new
york
and
he
was
like.
Oh
I'm
starting
this
dow
is
this
like
community.
I
forgot
what
it
was
like
some
community
in
new
york
and
I
was
like.
Oh
what
platform
are
you
going
to
use
to
like
you
know?
Have
you
picked
one
or
what
platform
is
the
towel
going
to
run
on
and
he
was
like
well
like
telegram
or
discord,
and
so,
like
you
know,
I
was,
I
was
thinking
like.
J
Okay,
like
you
know,
gonna
use
snapshot
like
multi-city
like
I
was
thinking.
What
are
you
doing
on
chain?
He
was
on
like
a
totally
different
way
of
length
right
like
being
like,
oh,
like
telegram
or
discord,
and
so
then
I
had
a
conversation
with
him
about
like
the
merits
of
using
either
of
those
platforms
for
a
community.
J
But
it's
like
that,
like
you
know
the
the
greater
public
like
most
people
that
are
yeah
talking
about
dows
on
twitter
and
stuff
they're,
just
like
on
a
totally
different
wavelength
right
and
like
we'll
meet
them
at
some
point.
But
yeah
it's
useful.
I
think,
to
understand
that
right,
like
what,
like
people
are
operating
at
different
levels,.