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A
Hello
and
welcome
to
the
dig
style
weekly
call
for
monday
february
7th
2022.,
and
I
don't
think
we
have
any
new
member
introductions
today,
but
we
will
be
on
the
agenda
today.
We
have
exploring
with
hoppernet
and
sort
of
like
the
dumb
ethereum
rpc
provider.
A
Under
the
experience
discussions,
we
have
carrots
esport
big
picture.
This
is
sort
of
an
ongoing
discussion
on
the
forum,
swapper
economics
and
under
dx
events.
We
have
yeah
some
of
some
discussions
about
eat,
denver
and
yeah.
I
think
that's
it.
We
can.
Maybe
if
we
have
time
we'll
talk
about
some
of
these
ventures
opportunities,
and
I
think
we
have
sebastian
from
hopper
here
so
yeah
sebastian,
just
by
the
way.
I
guess
you
heard,
but
you
know
this
call
is
recorded.
I
hope
this
is
okay.
C
Yeah,
it's
all
right:
yeah,
cool
yeah,
first
of
all,
apologies
for
maybe
bad
quality,
as
I'm
driving
right
now
has
been
a
bit
of
mad
day.
Sorry
for
that,
yeah
for
and
and
thanks
for
getting
me
here
and
talk
about
this
derp
thing
that
we're
doing
and
yeah.
So
maybe
let
me
start
in
another
direction,
so
I'm
founder
of
hopper
privacy
project,
big
fan
of
dx
dao.
We
have
a
joint
incentive
pool
on
swapper,
which
is
really
cool
community,
really
happy
about
it.
C
Yeah,
so
hopper
is
basically
a
protocol
that
provides
metadata
privacy,
so
not
on
chain
but
off
chain,
so
basically
sending
data
around
in
a
private
way.
That's
what
we're
doing,
and
so
generally
I'm
very
passionate
about
privacy,
because
I
think
privacy
is
the
thing
that
brings
resilient
infrastructure
and
makes
stuff
actually
censorship
resistant.
C
When
we
talk
about
censorship
resistance,
it's
usually
only
in
the
context
of
decentralization
and
then
we
think
that
by
having
stuff
decentralized,
it's
definitely
and
inherently
by
some
magic,
somehow
going
to
be
better
and
also
more
privacy.
Preserving
and
like
that
is
basically
not
true,
and
some
of
that
is
is
what
we're
trying
to
improve
with
what
we
do
at
hopper
and
other
people
who
are
privacy
conscious
and
trying
to
really
push
the
web
3
ecosystem
towards
more
resilience
towards
really
empowering
people,
because
that's
the
only
thing
that
this
whole
thing
is
about.
C
For
me
and
again,
our
task
here
is
to
bring
privacy
on
a
data
transport
level,
so
yeah.
In
that
context,
what
we
were
looking
at
was
basically
ethereum
rpc
providers
right,
so
I
think
we're
all
aware
of
it,
but
just
like
a
tldr
like
when
you
start
your
metamask,
it
connects
to
what
is
called
a
network
and
that
might
be
gnosis
chain.
It
might
be
mainnet,
it
might
be
gurley
whatever
to
help
right,
and
actually
this
is
not
a
network
you're
not
connecting
to
a
network
you're,
basically
connecting
to
a
server
right.
C
So
network
is
kind
of
this,
this
nice
fluffy
term,
but
realistically
you're
connecting
to
somebody
else's
server
that
you're
trusting
blindly
and
you're,
trusting
it
blindly,
a
with
the
data
that
they
deliver
right.
So
if
the
server
says
you
have
zero
ether
on
your
balance,
then
you
know
you
can
go
home
and
cry,
but
server
says
you
have
your
ethernet
balance
and
the
second
thing-
and
that's
something
that
is
not
really
talked
about.
C
So
much
is
you're,
trusting
it
with
your
data
with
your
metadata,
so
this
rpc
provider,
which
tells
you
how
many
ether
you
have
on
your
balance,
which
you
can
query
for
specific
events
and
stuff
like
that,
and
that
also,
of
course,
sees
your
ethereum
address
and
it
sees
your
ip
address.
So
this
thing
knows
where
you
live.
What
your
ethereum
address
is
how
much
money
you
have,
what
sort
of
dapps
you
interact
with
and
a
bunch
of
other
things
that
are,
that
are
pretty
surprising,
so
I
mean
I
was
aware
of
that.
C
So
it
was
like
hey,
let's
bring
some
more
awareness
to
that
to
other
people
and
build
a
little
tool
that
visualizes
all
the
things
that
an
rpc
provider
learns
about.
You
all
the
requests
that
they
get
from
you,
and
that
is
what
you
were
just
mentioning.
That
is
what
we
call
derp
as
like
a
dummy
theorem
or
pc
provider.
C
And
you
can,
you
can
basically
fiddle
around
with
it.
We
have
an
endpoint
for
mainnet
as
well
as
for
gnosis
chain
and
basically,
what
this
website
shows.
You
is
like
all
the
requests
that
you're
making
that
actually
not
just
you
are
making,
but
that
metamask
happens
to
be
doing
for
you,
and
this
is
where
it
starts
getting
actually
pretty
interesting.
C
So
I
said
that
you
know
I
was
kind
of
aware
that
there's
a
privacy
issue,
but
I
was
really
not
aware
of
what
exactly
is
happening
under
the
hood,
so
I
would
just
like
to
highlight
a
few
things
which
are
which
are
going
on
there,
which
I
found
really
remarkable.
C
So,
first
of
all,
if
you
connect
this
derp
endpoint
to
your
metamask,
we
are
not
extracting
any
of
this
data
right,
so
this
data
goes
to
a
server,
and
this
we
basically
just
forward
it.
I
don't
know
where.
Actually
I
don't
know
if
we
use
the
pocket
endpoint
or
infuria,
and
we
sent
the
request
that
you
made
to
the
server
back
to
the
to
you
the
same
ip
address
who
is
on
the
website?
If
nobody's
on
the
website,
then
nobody
gets
that
data.
C
It's
not
that
this
data
is,
you
know,
going
to
some
database
and
we
do
some
data
mining
and
like
that,
on
the
end,
it's
purely
a
visualization
tool,
and
so
the
first
thing
that
that
is
surprising
there
is
even
when
you
just
connect
to
the
endpoint,
is
doing
a
bunch
of
requests
and
that's
already
kind
of
interesting
right.
C
Maybe
like
me,
even
though
I
said
I
was
aware
of
it
like,
I
have
a
bunch
of
accounts
connected
to
my
meta
mask
right.
I
have
my
hardware
wallet
connected
to
it.
I
have
my
hopper
account
connected
to
it,
and
I
also
have
a
private
account
connected
to
that.
I
actually
have
multiple
and
what
happens
is
actually
metamask
is
sending
these
requests
for
all
accounts
in
one
go
out
to
the
rpc
provider
and
saying
hey
give
me
all
of
these
accounts
balances
and
also
it's
saying,
give
me
all
of
their
token
balances.
C
So
basically,
you
trust
an
rpc
provider
which
happens
to
be
located
most
of
the
time
in
north
america
with
a
company
that
you
have.
No,
you
know
contractual
engagement
with
like
with
all
this
data.
They
know
where
you're
living,
they
know
what
tokens
you're
interested
in.
They
know
what
what
balances
you're
requesting,
so
they
can
link
even
kind
of
my
company
accounts.
My
private
accounts,
my
fooling
around
accounts.
C
They
can
link
them
all
right,
and
this
is
something
that
I
find
pretty
scary,
because,
even
though
that
I
think
you
know
most
of
the
technical
people
that
work
in
the
space
have
good
intentions,
I
don't
think
everybody
does
that
right.
So
I
cannot
be
certain
that
infura,
alchemy
or
whoever
is
is
running.
These
services
does
not
store
my
data
and
I
think
the
trust
assumption
of
the
web
3
should
be
stronger
than
that.
C
Then
the
next
thing
that
I
found
kind
of
remarkable,
if
you
think
about
it,
really
is
the
potential
for
front
running.
So
med
is
kind
of
a
big
thing
right
so
that
you
extract
value
by
front
running
back,
running
or
sandwich
attacking
other
users
such
as,
for
example,
if
you're
trading
on
uni
swap
or
swapper.
C
So
what
is
interesting?
Actually,
if
you
think
about
it,
what
does
metamask
do
when
you're
about
to
send
a
transaction?
So,
let's
say
you're
buying
yourself
a
hundred
thousand
hopper
tokens
on
swapper.
So
what
happens
actually
is
that
metamask
doesn't
know
how
much
gas
you
should
send
for
that.
Metamask
is
actually
just
a
pretty
stupid
front.
End
wrapper
for
like
web
3
libraries,
which
in
turn
are
just
pretty
stupid,
rappers
around
an
rpc
provider.
C
So
what
is
actually
happening
is
that
when
you're
about
to
buy
a
hundred
thousand
hopper
on
swapper,
then
your
wallet,
your
metamask,
will
send
a
request
to
that
server
and
saying
hey.
Please
tell
me
how
much
gas
I
should
use
here,
and
this
is
kind
of
funny,
because
it
has
the
entire
fields
of
the
transaction
filled
in.
C
Even
though
you
didn't
sign
it
yet
so
the
server
knows
about
a
transaction
that
didn't
hit
the
mempool,
yet
that
isn't
even
signed
yet,
but
that
you
are
going
to
submit,
probably
within
the
next
five
to
ten
seconds
or
so
right,
while
you're
thinking
well,
is
that
gas
price
reasonable,
yes
well
kind
of,
like
you,
you
just
click
confirm
and
then
a
transaction
goes
through.
So
this
opens
really
in
an
entire
different
level
of
value
that
can
be
extracted
by
rpc
providers
beyond
just
logging.
Your
data
and
you
know
potentially
providing
it
to
the
irs.
D
C
Whatever
other
countries,
you
know
three-letter
agency
you're
dreaming
about
so
it
really
provides
front-running
potential
to
so
to
say,
front,
run
the
mempool
and
that's
something
that
I
find
pretty
interesting
again.
A
trust
assumption
that
I
don't
think
is
reasonable
for
the
web3
space.
That
should
be
trust,
minimalized,
so
yeah,
that's
something
that
we've
been
building
here
at
hopper
this
derp
tool
just
to
visualize
and
make
you
aware
of
it
and
to
play
around
with
it
and
yeah.
C
So
that's
basically
in
a
nutshell,
what
we've
been
building
if
there's
any
questions
to
that
or
you
know
happy
to
answer
some
questions.
C
A
C
C
Yeah,
thank
you
madisha,
exactly!
That's
it
so
yeah.
So
with
this
thing
you
can
you
can
play
around
with
to
find
out
what
your
rpc
provider
is
learning
about.
You-
and
I
think
I've
been
talking
to
nathan
about
this
before
this
is
not
a
tool
that
brings
you
more
privacy
per
se
just
yet.
Currently
it's
only
to
bring
awareness
for
what
our
pc
providers
learn
about.
C
You,
yes,
hopper,
like
the
protocol
that
we're
working
on
is
like
end
of
day
supposed
to
provide
you
more
privacy
by
sending
transactions
through
hopper,
instead
of
just
directly
through
https
or
websocket
connections.
You
know
that
is
direct
peer-to-peer
connections.
So
that's
what
we're
working
on
and
we're
working
on.
Actually
we're
not
working
on
that
we're
working
on
the
protocol,
but
we're
having
a
bounty
at
east
denver.
C
I
heard
some
dx
downfalls
are
going
to
be
there
as
well
would
be
super
happy
to
catch
up
in
person,
so
the
first
bounty
of
using
hopper
for
something
useful
will
hopefully
start
happening
at
east
denver
rock
saying
see
you
there.
Yes,
looking
forward
to
that.
E
Thanks
sebastian,
this
is
all
very
good
information
and
and
kind
of
scary
and
so
yeah.
The
thriller
asked-
and
I
also
had
this
question
is
like-
is
there
like?
Is
there
anything
that
we
can
that
people
can
do
today
that,
like
or
a
guide
or
yeah,
something
that
people
can
start
to
do
today?
That
really
tries
to
solve
and
correct?
Most
of
these
scary
issues.
C
Yeah
so
I
mean,
unfortunately,
the
answer
is:
if
you
want
something,
that's
perfect:
no,
we
can't
do
that
today,
which
is
really
really
sad,
but
you
can
get
like
you
can
get
80
of
the
way
there
by
just
running
your
own
ethereum,
full
node
and
connecting
that
to
your
meta
mask
right,
because
what
it
will
solve
is
when
you're
just
querying
you
know
the
state
of
some
smart
contract
or
when
you're
just
screwing.
Well,
how
much
gas
should
I
send
with
these
transactions?
C
That
is
something
that
your
own
full
node
can
perfectly
well
do
now.
Why
does
that
not
get
you
100
of
the
way
there
so,
first
of
all,
there
there's
some
issues
which
are
baked
into
metamask,
which
are
just
querying
other
centralized
providers
without
you
even
being
aware
of
it
and
there's
nothing
you
can
do
about
it.
Unfortunately,
so
two
examples,
one
is:
if
you're
holding
nfts.
Basically
metamask
is
crewing
openc
right.
It's
saying,
hey,
show
me
the
nft
pictures,
because
I
have
to
get
these
pictures
from
somewhere
that
this
address
has
so
again.
C
By
doing
so,
it
is
disclosing
your
ip
address
and
your
ethereum
addresses
to
opencv
without
you
even
knowing
about
it
and
that's
a
little
bit
shitty
right
and
the
second
is
to
get
the
past
transactions.
That's
a
little
bit
in
my
eyes,
kind
of
a
up
on
at
ethereum
infrastructure
level,
there's
no
way
if
you're
running
even
a
full
node
that
you
can
get
kind
of
all
past
transactions
of
an
account.
It's
just
not
possible
through
the
normal
rpc
end
point
that
a
normal
go
ethereum
or
arrogant.
Node
exposes.
C
So
in
order
to
fix
that
we
have
to
rely.
I
mean
there's
something
that
that
works,
which
is
called
true
blocks,
but
it's
kind
of
like
a
little
bit
fiddly
still,
so
it's
not
connected
to
metamask.
So
what
metamask
does
is
it
asks?
Etherscan,
I
guess
on
xdi
ionosystem
is
probably
asking
blog
scout.
Hey
show
me
all
past
transactions
of
this
account.
If
you
want
that
and
that's
why
it
connects
to
to
ether
scan
for
for
some
things,
which
is
also
a
bit
messed
up,
and
you
can't
really
configure
that
away.
C
So
that's
why
I
said
eighty
percent
of
the
way,
not
a
hundred
percent
of
the
way
yeah
true
block
sale,
really
great
guys
working
on
that.
If
you
want
to
kind
of
like
fiddle
around
with
it,
it's
it's
a
great
tool.
B
What
kind
of
bounties
would
you
be
setting
for
for
the
hackathon
in
denver,
and
you
you'll
also
be
attending
our
event,
so
it
would
be
nice
to
meet
you
in
person.
It
would
be
great
to
catch
up
and
chat
a
future
collaboration
so
absolutely
on
the
bounties.
C
Yeah,
so
we
are
having
four
bounties,
so
it's
it's
like
a
little
bit
chaotic,
but
I
mean
we
have
the
same
bounties
online
and
on
site.
So
it's
two
bounties,
which
is
freestyle,
use
the
hopper
protocol
to
build
whatever
you
want
to
right.
So
like
build
your
own
chat,
app
build
your
own,
like
whatever
you
want
to
do,
really
send
data
and
leverage
the
hopper
protocol
to
send
data
privately
from
alice
to
bob
whatever.
That
is
right.
C
It
could
be
to
people
it
could
be
like
users
talking
to
whatever
some
service
or
whatever
this,
that
that's
two
and
then
we
have
one
which
is
actually
connecting
to
exactly
what
we're
discussing
here,
build
a
tool
that
broadcasts
ethereum
transactions
through
hopper.
So
basically
it's
two
components.
One
is
you
need
to
just
wrap
a
like,
like
send
sign
transaction,
it's
called
and
it
this.
This
thing
needs
to
receive
transactions
through
hopper,
and
the
other
thing
needs
to
be
able
like
for
users.
C
C
We're
leveraging
payment
channel
infrastructure
for
sending
this
data
around
so
to
explain
this.
I
need
to
minimally
go
into
how
hopper
works,
so
you
can
send
data
packets
through
intermediate
relay
hops.
That's
a
little
bit
what
the
name
hopper
should
suggest,
and
why
would
they
relay
your
data
packets
because
they
get
paid
for
that
service
in
other
tokens
and
for
doing
that
in
an
efficient
manner,
even
a
noses
chain?
C
We
are
leveraging
our
own
payment
channel
infrastructure,
so
we're
having
a
bounty
to
visualize
that
payment
channel
infrastructure,
because
it's
important
information
that
you
as
a
node
operator
actually
need
in
order
to
make
meaningful
decisions
to
whom
should
I
open
a
payment
channel
so
that
last
bounty
is
a
visualization
of
the
payment
channel
infrastructure
and
yeah?
That's
what
we
haven't!
That's
what
we
have
in
balti
for
bounties
for
in
denver.
By
the
way,
I
would
just
like
to
highlight
one
thing
that
I
find
personally
pretty
cool.
C
So
the
like
the
entity
that
that
pays,
the
that
pays.
The
sponsorship
of
east
denver
is
proper
association,
but
the
bounties
are
being
sponsored
by
the
hopper
dao.
It's
something
that
I
am
personally
a
huge
fan
of
daos.
That's
why
I'm
very
happy
to
be
here
at
dxdow
and
nicole,
but
it
was
very
awesome
for
me
to
see
like
our
community
was
voting
on.
C
How
do
we
actually
distribute
the
rewards
which
were
collected
through
balancer
and
uni,
swap
earlier
last
year
and
like
there's
a
bunch
of
dye
and
a
bunch
of
hopper
that
were
collected
and
the
dao
voted
on
some
fraction
of
that
being
distributed
in
bounties,
and
we
will
allocate
that
at
east
denver,
so
yeah
dao
sponsoring
you
know,
ecosystem
incentives
for
other
developers
out
there.
B
Wonderful-
and
I
I
know
from
michael
because
we
are
using
popped
pocket
network
infrastructure
that
you've
had
conversations,
would
there
be
any
collaboration.
C
Yes,
so
I
think
pocket
network
is
also
a
great
project
because
it
goes
like
so
totally
in
the
direction
of
again,
like
decentralized
infrastructure,
to
empower
the
individual
right
so
great
project.
I
really
think
extremely
highly
of
of
michael
and
the
whole
team.
Yes,
we
have
talked
to
them.
To
be
honest,
it's
a
little
bit
too
early
to
you
know,
try
to
make
you
know
some
pocket
things
happening
through
hopper,
but
that
being
said,
there
is
a
privacy
issue
in
pocket
network
or,
frankly,
any
other
peer-to-peer
infrastructure.
C
And
that
is
imagine
you
are
a
pocket
node
operator
like
what
that
means
is
you're,
actually
an
ethereum
node
operator
that
makes
that
endpoint
available
through
pocket
network,
I'm
just
like
a
john
doe
user
who
uses
that
again.
Now
you
instead
of
infuria,
you
see
the
request
that
sebastian
is
making
from
which
ip
address-
and
you
know
through
which
account,
which
is
a
little
bit
messed
up
right.
So,
basically,
in
order
to
have
pocket
network
in
a
in
a
kind
of
safe
way,
it
has
to
happen
through
privacy
infrastructure
like
hopper.
C
Currently,
if
you're,
currently
a
pocket
user,
don't
freak
out
how's.
This
currently
being
solved
they're
having
kind
of
a
centralized
proxy
through
which
this
is
going
so
you're,
exposing
your
data
to
that
proxy
and
not
just
to
some
to
some.
You
know
unknown
user
of
who's
running
a
pocket.
Note
there.
So
it's
a
solution,
but
it's
a
temporarily
centralized
solution
in
order
to
have
something
that
that
actually
works
down
the
road,
so
yeah
we're
planning
to
solve
something
there
for
a
bunch
of
decentralized
projects
like
pocket
network.
C
B
B
Has
thought
of
up
until
this
point
it
seems
like
you
know,
decentralization
is
being
thrown
everywhere
as
a
term
in
in
web
3
and
d5,
but
it's
not
widely
applicable
everywhere.
It's
it's
still.
It
still
needs
to
be
worked
on
to
do
for
the
industry
to
deserve
to
use
this
term.
I
100.
E
Agree,
thank
you.
Sebastian
does.
Does
that
imply
that
that
perfect,
professional
front
runners
are
basically
incentivized
to
like
participate
and
run
like
run
front
or
rpc
endpoints
in
the
pocket
network.
You
actually
hit
a
very.
C
Very
very
important
point
that
I
I
didn't
make
yet
it
was
a
bit
too
short
time,
but
yes,
so
exactly
that
and
it's
not
just
pocket
network.
So
if
you're
thinking
about
it
like
pocket
network,
is
solving
an
important
problem
right
and
I
don't
want
to
undermine
what
they
do-
they're
great
guys,
they're
building
a
great
product,
but
just
like
with
any
other
web
3
project
that
is
not
specific
to
just
pocket
network.
If
we
don't
watch
out
we're
going
to
get
much
more
privacy
rack
than
on
the
web
2..
C
So
exactly
like
you
just
said,
a
professional
front,
runner
would
run
a
a
pocket
note
b,
a
the
graph,
node
c,
an
ipfs
node
and
try
to
harvest
the
everything
they
can
about
you,
because
none
of
the
three
infrastructures
that
I
mentioned
is
able
to
in
an
endgame
scenario,
provide
actual
privacy
in
it
by
itself.
C
Some
of
them,
like
the
graph
and
like
pocket
network,
have
said,
have
temporarily
centralized
some
pieces
of
the
infrastructure
to
not
get
people
wrecked
today,
but
that
is
not
decentralized
right.
So
both
the
graph
and
pocket
network
have
centralized
relays
proxies
through
which
you're
going
in
order
to
avoid
that
problem,
but
that's
not
really
a
solution
right.
So
yes,
you're,
absolutely
right.
C
Hardcore
data
harvesting
is
the
end
game.
Hardcore
data
harvesting
on
all
available
networks
on
all
possible
data
modalities
that
there
are
out
there
and
yeah
preventing
that
is,
is
what
we
and
many
others
are
working
on
and
again
offer
is
only
a
solution
to
a
small
subset
of
these
issues
like
privacy
needs
to
be
achieved
across
the
stack.
B
Yeah
well,
once
again,
thank
you
for
joining
us
sebastian.
It's
been
a
great
pleasure,
looking
forward
to
meeting
you
in
person
and
chatting
further
yeah.
C
Wonderful
thing
thanks
guys
for
having
me,
and
please
do
ping
me
on
twitter
or
telegram
at
s
c
burger
is
my
it's
my
last
name
and
I
would
be
happy
to
connect,
and
maybe
one
last
thing
I
want
to
throw
in.
I
know
that
you
know
there's
there's
many
great
projects
that
the
extras
working
on
please
do
think
about
privacy.
C
Please
do
think
about
decentralization.
I
know
you
do,
but
you
know
things
like
centralized
services
which
uni
swap
is
running
like
tracking.
I
didn't.
I
didn't
get
into
like
the
way
that
uni
swap
is
tracking
users.
It's
absolutely
ridiculous.
Please
don't
do
it.
Please
do
take
the
fundamental
values
of
web3
series
and
yeah.
Let's
get
better
than
mainnet
kind
of
the
big
guys
who
are
starting
to
harvest
data
like
we
have
to
be
better
than
that.
Thanks
for
that
guys.
B
Yeah
we
do
take
these
core
tenants
to
heart,
and
this
is
one
of
the
main
characteristics
of
our
adapts
swapper,
as
a
dex
allows
traders
to
route
orders
to
other
amms
like
uniswapper
or
sushi,
swap
without
exposing
traders
to
to
those
cookies
and
analytics
that
are
like
traps
set
on
those
centralized
domains.
So
anyone
listening
to
this,
that
is
trading
on
sushi
or
uni,
can
freely
use
swapper.
Instead,
it's
a
censorship,
resistant
front-end
that
allows
you
to
trade
for
no
extra
charge
on
uni
or
sushi.
B
Without
you
know,
sharing
your
private
data
with
those
you
know,
data
harvesters
that
that
have
you
know
nested
themselves
on
those
centralized
domains.
B
But,
as
we've
learned
today,
it's
still
no
way
to
protect
yourself
from
from
the
data
that
is
shared
with
rpcs
at
this
point
so
kudos
to
hopper,
for
you
know,
trying
to
build
a
solution
to
solve
this
problem.
C
Thanks
nathan,
I
just
dropped.
I
just
dropped.
My
my
tweet
twitter
thread
here
feel
free
to
also
just
dm
me
on
on
twitter
or
telegram
same
username.
There.
A
Yeah
thanks
sebastian:
do
we
want
to
move
to
the
next
topic,
which
is
yeah
the
carrot
campaigns
sky?
Do
you
want
to
talk
about
that.
E
Yeah
nathan,
maybe
so,
there's
a
there's,
a
handful
of
interesting
campaigns
that
hopefully
will
be
coming
up
soon.
Some
yeah
probably
launching
in
the
next
epoch,
some
with
different
communities
and
then
some
for
our
own
farming
strategy
and
so
we've
yeah
we've.
We
did
some
tests
in
the
past.
We've
done
a
couple
one-off
examples.
E
We're
still
a
little
bit
dependent
like
the
front
end.
Showing
campaigns
and
stuff
is
obviously
like
a
centralized
point
and
we're
yeah
federico
is
the
main
kind
of
creator
of
campaigns.
But
as
long
as
we
gather
the
the
necessarily
details
and
exact
language
of
the
conditions
and
things
we
can,
we
can
get
those
created,
and
so
that's
what
we're
kind
of
moving
forward
with
nathan.
I
don't
know
if
you
wanted
to
talk
about
any
of
them
specifically
or
yeah.
B
I'm
at
this
point
wondering
whether
we
did
right
by
announcing
it
right
away,
because
it's
such
an
amazing
product
that
even
the
mvp
seems
like
a
great
tool
that
a
ton
of
protocols
in
the
space
can
utilize
and
every
pretty
much
every
single
organizations
that
that
we've
chatted
with
have
you
know,
welcomed
it
right
away
and
asked
if
they
could
use
it
and
it.
B
At
this
point,
the
bottleneck
is
really
too
much
of
a
demand
and
us
still
working
on
foot
developing
the
next
version
of
it,
which
is
v1
and
kind
of
torn
in
between
allocating
you
know
our
dead
resource
between
working
on
the
new
version,
whether
we
should
focus
on
the
front
end
or
you
know,
partner
with
all
of
these
organizations
that
are
interested
in
creating
campaigns
at
this
point
we'll
do
it
later
with
the
newer
version,
so
it
it
does,
take
some
strategic
thinking
and-
and
you
know,
properly
planning
our
steps
forward,
but
in
in
any
way
we
look
at
it.
B
As
as
a
product
within
our
umbrella,
under
our
umbrella
of
the
excel,
we
should
probably
think
of
ramping
up
in
any
way
possible,
dev
resource.
B
I
know
that
zed
has
already
offered
you
know
has
shared
his
opinion
that
we
could
do
it
a
little
more
on
the
front
end.
But
again
that
is
still
dependent
on
the
as
a
full
stack
development
of
the
front
end.
It's
not
just
a
design
that
needs
a
facelift
it.
It
does
require
still
some
kind
of
back
end
development
to
support
that.
So
we
again
come
to
the
bottleneck
of
marketing
the
product
meeting
huge
demand
and
having
to
cool
off
the
initial
excitement.
B
A
B
A
Start
collecting
sort
of,
like
I
don't
know,
just
a
like
a
a
sheet
with
all
the
possible
campaigns
that
people
want
to
run
in
general.
Like
I
very
much
agree
with
you
like
carrot,
is
an
amazing
product
it
it's
very
easy
to
understand
like
what's
the
value
proposition
of
this,
and
every
single
project
should
like
read
this
and
understand
that
they
need
and
want
to
use
it
and
then
yeah
like
we
are.
You
know
we
did
market
this
and
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
influx
of
people
who
want
to.
A
You
know
basically
want
to
use
it.
Actually,
I
can
say
that
you
know
after
I,
tweeted
a
bunch
of
people
started
messaging
me
about
this,
and
you
know
how
to
get
started
and
stuff
like
that
and
yeah.
We
have,
I
guess,
maybe
john.
This
is
probably
for
the
dev
call
like
I
don't
know
regarding
resources,
and
how
do
we
allocate
a
bit
more
to
that
or
yeah?
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
say
a
word
about
that.
Yeah.
F
B
Terms
of
possible
campaigns
federico
is
keeping
track
of
all
of
the
suggestions
we've
made
in
our
forum
throughout
the
past
few
months,
and
also
we
have
strategically
approached
the
participation
of
dx
dao
in
the
east,
denver
biglathon,
with
putting
bounties
on
carob
and
building
on
top
of
carrots.
So
I
think
we're
moving
in
the
right
direction
and
taking
the
right
steps.
We
should
just
be
patient
and
everything
will
will
fall
into
place
when,
when
the
time
comes
it
it's
still
way
early.
E
Yeah
and
because
it's
early,
I
think
it's
very
important
for
dxd.
If,
if
this
is
such
a
good
product
and
everyone
and
thinks
it's
so
amazing,
dx
dow
should
be
the
main
user
of
it
and
the
fact
that
we
did
a
couple
and
then
we
haven't
been
using
it
and
we're
and
we're
hopefully
going
to
use
it
in
the
next
epoch
and
how
to
figure
out
what
the
good
campaigns
are
to
do
and
exactly
how
to
use
it.
And
what
didn't
work
and
what
will
work.
E
E
G
B
A
Yeah,
like
just
echo
chris,
like
I
think,
is
I
don't
know.
Maybe
this
is
something
that
we
could
like
talk
about
more
like
we're,
literally
leading
by
example,
and
you
know,
if
there's
like
a
grand
investment
into
a
project
that
we're
interested
in
we're,
going
to
use
yeah
we're
going
to
use
carrots
to
sort
of
incent,
long-term
incentivize
them
to
actually
deliver.
B
So
this
is
pretty
cool
yeah
and
also
I
just
realized.
The
the
upcoming
epoch
on
agnosis
with
liquidity
mining
will
also
be
utilizing
carrots,
so
we
are
actually
heavy
users
already
it
we
yeah
unique
patience.
Everything
is
great.
Perhaps
we
should
think
of
helping.
B
You
know
that
the
current
you
know
dave
resource,
be
strategically
deployed
where
it's
most
useful
and
but
it's
a
subject
on
another
call.
I
think
we're
doing
everything
we
can
and
everything
is
great.
We
should.
We
should
just
be
proud
with
what
we're
doing.
We
need
patience,
I'm
mentioning
it
for
the
fifth
time,
but
it
it's
never
enough.
A
Yeah
so
yeah
great
job.
Do
you
want
to
speak
about
the
esports
big
picture?
Dave?
Are
you
here
or
this
guy?
If
you
want
to
talk
about
that,
yeah.
E
So
the
the
oh
dave
is
here
yeah,
so
doing
some,
I
think
dave's
planning
to
meet
with
the
team.
E
So
now
that
we
have
this
sponsorship
pretty
much
complete
and
in
place,
we
really
want
to
focus
on
getting
some
yeah
real
world
actions
from
their
community,
whether
it's
starting
with
poeps,
which
is
like
a
really
easy
way
to
bring
very
new
people
into
the
space,
getting
kind
of
maybe
a
cool
pulp
in
the
hands
of
their
audiences,
which
could
then
lead
to
like
in
a
later
stage,
participation
in
actual
governance
of
their
of
their
community.
E
But
I
think,
as
as
we
yeah
move
forward,
we
don't
want
to
just
let
this
sit
and
we
really
want
to
leverage
dx
vote
and
potentially
guilds
for
an
actual
real
world
use
case
in
a
new
community.
That's
new
to
the
web
3
environment.
But
if
we
can
solve
this
and
use
this
as
a
case
study
and
we
can
get
dx
taos
governance
or
one
of
our
pieces
of
our
governance
framework
into
the
hands
of
those
of
those
people
most
likely,
I'm
guessing,
it
would
be
on
gnosis
chain
it.
E
That
would
be
a
really
big
win
and
then
it
could
be
something
that
could
be
replicatable
replicable
to
other
communities
as
well,
and
so
we
want
to
like
yeah
move
forward
with
that.
I
think
it
will
be
awesome.
We'll
have
some.
The
jerseys
will
be
worn
in
east
denver,
and
I
think
that
this
is
the
type
of
story
that
you
know.
E
That
might
not
know
that
much
about
web3
can
also
understand,
and
so
hopefully
getting
some
awareness
from
some
reporters
or
some
publications
at
eat.
Denver
would
be
a
win
coming
out
of
of
the
week.
I
think-
and
this
could
be
a
a
story
that
might
be
more
exciting.
I
think
karen
is
also
an
interesting
story.
E
If,
once
you
tell
a
reporter,
like
kind
of
what
carrot
is
and
they're
like,
oh
it's,
it's
amazing
branding,
and
that
sounds
like
an
amazing
product
and
it's
kind
of
specific
to
d5,
but
both
of
those
things
can
be
stories
that
hopefully
spread
during
during
youth.
Denver
is
one
of
our
goals.
I
think.
D
Yeah
completely
echo
what
sky
said
so
the
copenhagen
flames
actually
confirmed
the
player
jerseys
arrived
today,
so
there's
a
big
tournament
coming
up
this
month,
so
they'll
be
having
the
new
jerseys,
which
include
the
dx
dow
logo,
of
course,
and
they'll
also
be
doing
a
photo
shoot.
So
they'll
update
all
their
online
presence
and
social
media
to
include
the
new
jerseys
and
yeah.
We
have
a
limited
batch
going
out
to
denver
as
well
of
jerseys
for
us
because
of
the
chinese
new
year.
D
That
was
like
quite
delayed,
so
they
just
had
the
stock
they
already
had
in
copenhagen,
and
I
assumed
they
printed
the
dxdow
logo
on
it
locally.
So
we'll
probably
have,
I
guess,
a
large
amount
of
that
going
to
team
members
and
then
probably
you
know,
make
sense
to
like
decide
who
we
want
to
give
them
to.
So
I
know
we
already
have
some
confirmations
as
well
from
like
media
people,
for
example.
D
I
believe
ishita
from
missouri
who
wrote
the
nba
dao
story
or
nfl
doll
story,
whichever
one
it
was
so,
of
course,
would
be
great
to
give
her
one
and
kind
of
talk
tell
her
about
what
we're
planning
to
do,
and
hopefully
you
know,
get
some
coverage
that
way.
I
know
we
don't
have
the
greatest
press
pr
media
outreach,
but
you
know
even
then
there's
obviously
great
opportunity
and
yeah
just
syncing
up
today
next
day
with
the
copenhagen
flames,
communications
guy.
D
Of
course
they
have
some
ties
to
the
media,
so
hopefully
they
can
get
some
exposure
on
the
esports
side
and
yeah.
That's
that's
pretty
much
it
for
now,
yeah
that's
kind
of
working
around
the
announcement
and,
as
guy
said,
you
know,
launching
a
pro-up
with
the
announcement
and
yeah.
I
think
that's
also
later
on.
When
we
do
some
governance
stuff
with
them.
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
do
it
like
power
based.
D
You
know,
like
you
know,
we
can
launch
as
many
pop-ups
as
we
want,
of
course,
maybe
during
their
games,
maybe
during
their
tournaments
and
stuff,
and
try
and
get
there.
I
think
the
main
goal
behind
the
pops
is
really
to
get
their
community
engaged
behind
the
project,
but
also
get
their
community
set
up
with
metamask,
wallets
or
private.
You
know
get
them
to
set
up
their
private
keys
and
po-app
apparently
has
a
service
which
also
helps
with
this.
So
I
think
up
is
really
a
great
way
to
onboard
non
web.
D
D
Of
course,
man
dave
saved
me
one.
Please
we're
only
getting
50
jerseys,
but
then
in
march
they'll
be
shipping
350
jerseys
to
my
place,
then
we'll
have
plenty
to
give,
and
we
I
mean
we
can
order
as
many
as
we
want.
D
But
it's
I
think
it's
like
34
euro,
the
jersey,
so
you
know
I
we
started
with
400
and
then,
if
we
need
more,
perhaps
when
defcon
comes
around
or
something
like
that,
we
can
always
reorder
more
if
we
want,
but
I
think
it's
also
cool
for
them
to
be
kind
of
limited
right.
We
don't
want
everyone
to
have
one,
so
I
guess
we
can
just
see
how
quickly
we
run
through
them
and
yeah.
If
we
need
more,
we
can
always
reorder.
That's
not
an
issue.
A
Yeah,
I
don't
know
if
we
I
mean.
E
Briefly
on
the
community
call,
but
did
you
guys
think
the
idea
of
taking
like
you
know?
I
don't
know
if
it's
10
of
the
merch
we
have
it
eddie
denver.
Obviously
there's
some
merch
that
maybe
some
contributors
they
can't
make
you
want,
but
then
also
holding
holding
off
like
a
box
or
two
of
merch
that
we
can.
E
G
E
No,
no
I'm
I'm
talking
about
the
other
merch.
That's
at
the
denver,
like
all
the
people
that
are
in
the
dx
style
discord.
Do
you
think
they
want
to
have
a
chance
to
get
a
denver,
dx
style
beanie,
or
is
that
not
interesting.
G
D
Yeah
and
I
guess
someone
would
have
to
take
care
of
the
logistics
right-
I
I
don't
know
what
numbers
we're
talking
about,
but
that
can
also
get
quite
intense,
but
it
could
be
cool.
I
know
sky
also.
Last
time
you
mentioned
the
uni
swap
sock
stuff
to
do
something
like
that
with
the
jerseys
as
well
right
that
could
also,
I
think
that
could
also
be
really
cool
but
yeah
just
worth
thinking
about
the
logistics
like
someone,
someone
will
have
to
do
it
right.
E
Yeah
well
the
yeah,
but
the
to
replicate
uni,
something
like
unisox
with
like
jerseys.
You
either
have
to
go
all
in
with
that
or
or
not.
You
can't
give
out
some
jerseys
to
like
contributors
and
some
people
at
the
eddie
denver
and
then
also
do
limited
unisocks
version
style
of
jerseys.
You
can't
do
both.
Basically,
so
you
have
to
either
go
all
in
or
or
not.
D
G
Yeah
I
like
working
towards
the
nft
idea
and
the
unisox
idea,
but
I
don't
think
we
can
do
that
with
this
first
batch
of
jerseys
they're
just
going
to
be
like
cool,
but
then
the
other
things
like
we
could
think
about.
What
is
it?
What
is
a
product
that
we
could
maybe
do?
That
would
have
a
little
bit
more
longevity.