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B
Yeah,
so
welcome
to
the
monday
15th
of
march
2021,
the
external
business
call
for
today's
agenda.
We
have
new
member
introductions,
a
proposal
to
participate
in
the
degov
pool
created
by
primedale,
a
discussion
about
deke's,
doubt
2.0
staking
updates
on
luna
social
and
that
collaboration
that's
happening,
then
an
update
on
maybe
the
opolis
possible
geeks
ventures
investment.
B
I
don't
think
we
have
anyone
new
here
right,
I'm
going
over
the
names
yeah,
everybody
is
a
sort
of
a
member
so
yeah.
I
guess
we
can
start
with
the
participation
in
the
de-golf
pool
created
by
primedal.
I
can
re-post
the
link
here,
which
I
posted.
I
think
it
was
on
friday
or
thursday
on
on
the
dict
on
the
dxp
channel.
So
this
is
the
document
basically
primed
out
want
to
create
a
a
curve,
sorry
a
curve,
a
balancer
pool
of
of
dow
related
tokens.
B
This
is
actually
an
idea
that
I
wanted
to
do
when
I
was
in
doubt,
step
with
you
know,
take
even
you
know,
jan
and
and
aragon
tokens
and
put
them
all
into
a
pool
and
create
some
sort
of
like
an
index
of
dowse
and
yeah.
So
this
is
something
that
prime
tao
are
planning
to
do
and
they're
probably
to
govern
it
from
the
primed
out
interface.
B
If
you
scroll
down,
you
see
like
basically
the
distribution
and
how
much
each
dao
is
going
to
put
into
this
pool
and
yeah,
I
think
so
like
they
made
a
calculation
that
looks
like
some
sort
of
quadratic
weight
for
each
token.
According
to
the
market
cap
and
yeah
just
thoughts
about
this,
I
think
you
know
we
should
participate.
We
should
allocate
some
dxd
for
this
and
yeah.
I
don't
know.
C
Yeah,
I
mean,
I
think,
just
trying
to
like
kind
of
a
cool
idea
or
trying
to
make
something
happen
in
some
way.
I
think
it's
cool
to
see
how
different
taos
can
participate
with
it
so
definitely
be
kind
of
into
exploring
further.
I
think
it's
interesting.
They
used
a
quadratic
percentage,
which
gives
a
little
bit
more
interest
like,
I
guess,
shakes
things
up
a
little
bit:
discounts
the
the
larger
players,
I'm
interested
in
what
like
the
governance
of
this
or
kind
of
like
the
point?
C
D
So
the
so
so
the
a
five
a
five
asset
balancer
pool
is
like
is
the
idea
to
basically
create
a
an
ability
for
some
random
person
to
like
invest
in
five
dowels
all
at
once
very
easily
or
because
I
could
see
like
that
being
a
set
protocol
product.
So
in
balancer
by
providing
liquidity,
you
basically
get
exposure
to
those
five
assets.
D
So
you,
if
you
want
to
be
long,
those
five
assets
you
would
put
in
liquidity
into
the
balancer
pool
and
and
and
it
also
creates
an
ecosystem
where
those
tokens
start
to
trade
against
each
other
right
because
they're
all
in
a
pool
together.
So
it
becomes
a
liquidity
source,
like
competes
actually
with
swapper
for
dxd,
but
actually
could
give
liquidity
between
dxd
and
those
four
other
tokens
in
a
smooth
way.
D
And
if
that
pool
becomes
very
big,
it
becomes
a
it
links
dxd
to
those
tokens,
and
some
of
those
tokens
like
baal
and
and
a
couple
of
the
other
ones
are
pretty
popular
right.
So
it's
a
unique
like
there's,
not
many
balancer
pools
that
I've
seen
that
like
have
this
goal,
I
don't
know
if
people
are
aware
of
other
ones,
but
it
becomes
this
investment
asset
and
it
creates
a
linkage
between
those
five
assets
is
that
is
that
correct?
Am
I
like?
Am
I
off.
B
B
Yeah
also
for
for
the
swap
and
for
the
liquidity
between
these
assets
and
yeah.
I
guess
this.
This
is
kind
of
competing
with
swapper,
but
yeah.
I
think,
like
the
the
overall
kind
of
there
is
upside
here
with
just
you
know,
just
the
marketing
value
of
doing
something
with
the
rest
of
these
dials
and
creating
some
sort
of
like
a
dao
alliance
of
some
of
some
sort.
B
It's
I
mean
it's
just
great,
because
it's
yeah
supporting
the
other
ones
as
well
yeah,
and
I
think
they
mention
here
that
it's
sort
of
biased
towards
smaller
dows,
with
this
quad
formula,
as
you
mentioned
chris,
so
yeah,
that's
that
as
well
yeah
and
I
think
like
in
the
future,
I'm
just
reading
off
from
like
the
end
here
so
like
they
want
to
do.
B
You
want
to
have
the
ability
to
add
more
dows
as
they
come
to
the
ecosystem,
they're
thinking
of
creating
like
a
stable
coin
out
of
this
balancer
pool
right,
so
you
could
theoretically
take
this
balancer
pull
up
your
token
and
put
that
into
maker,
like
if,
whatever
who
convinced
them,
and
then
you
know
mint
a
stable
coin.
That's
sort
of
you
know,
backed
by
all
these
doubts,
yeah
there's
a
another
thing
here
about
decentralized
co-insurance
that
you
know
they
can.
B
D
So
my
guess
is
like
prime
dow
is
by
far
the
smallest
in
there
we're
the
second
smallest
right.
If
you
john's
saying,
maybe
these
aren't
even
all
real
taos,
but,
like
my
guess
is
this
is
gonna
benefit.
Prime
token,
like
you,
you
put
some
little
guy
in
the
bath
in
a
in
a
pool
with
all
these
other
more
important
guys.
It
should
benefit
the
smallest
guy.
I
would
guess
we're
the
second
smallest
guy
there's
probably
a
benefit
there.
D
F
I
think
of
this
as
a
branding
thing
right,
so
I
think
the
best
example
of
something
like
this
is
the
dpi
right,
so
the
d5
pulse
index
gets
talked
about
kind
of
separately.
It's
just
something
that
people
look
at
as
a
number
like,
representing
like
the
health
or
the
progress
of
d5
right,
and
so
I
think
that's
like
really
valuable
to
be
part
of
that,
because
it
carries
its
own
kind
of
like
brand
awareness
and
like
market
potential.
F
G
Yeah,
I'm
wondering
the
same
thing
like
it
can
raise
us,
but
at
the
same
time
it
can
drag
us
down
if
those
around
us
are
not
up
to
standard,
and
I
think
we
we
definitely
are
the
leader
in
terms
of
that
punching
governance.
G
G
D
Balancer's
governance
from
a
dxd
holder
perspective:
this
is
a
positive
thing.
Okay,
the
the
is,
are
they
our
equals
and
are
they
doing?
What
we're
doing
in
terms
of
decentralization
is
another
question
but
like
in
terms
of
a
dxd
holder
and
dxd
price
and
getting
more
awareness
of
dxd
and
every
time
someone
puts
money
into
this
or
uses
this
like
it
benefits
the
xd
token.
That
is
true.
B
Yeah-
and
I
think
it's
I
mean
it's
sort
of-
I
mean-
maybe
for
us
it's
obvious,
but
I'm
hoping
that
you
know
for
other
people
that
will
be
using
this.
It
will
also
be
obvious
that
you
know
the
style.
Is
it's
really
the
most
decentralized
in
a
way
here?
And
you
know
the
rest
of
them?
I
I,
I
guess
prime,
is
the
second
most
decentralized
right,
because
the
rest
of
them
are
using
either
snapshot
or
you
know
it's
like
like
four
voters,
or
something
like
that.
F
Yeah,
except
where
is
prime's
treasury,
though
yeah
that's,
I
mean
that's
right.
It's
in
a
cayman
island
foundation,
or
whatever,
like
I
don't
know,
I
mean
I
agree
like
if
we
can
provide
you,
know,
participate
in
something
that
actually
attracts
liquidity
and
like
incentivizes
people
to
buy
dxd.
That's
a
positive
thing,
but
I
think
from
the
branding
perspective
here
like
we're
getting
dragged
down
in
this,
like,
I
think
it's
a
net
negative.
B
F
C
And
I
also
like,
even
if
you're
going
to
like,
say
that
they
are
like
we're
the
best
and
they're
like
next,
but
very
far
away
like,
I
think,
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
other
projects
that
could
be
kind
of
included
in
it.
So
I
guess
I
don't
understand,
like
the
brand,
like
the
d
gov
brand
in
general,
because
I'm
not
sure
if
that,
like
what
yeah
so
maybe
there's
a
way
to
rebrand
this
as
something
else,
because
I
can
see
how
like
gnosis
api,
three
prime
d
extaud,
there's
some
people
that
overlap.
C
B
Yeah
I
mean
interesting,
I'm
trying
to
think
of
what
else
could
come
in
here.
That's
you
know
thriving
to
be
decentralized
like
in
a
decentralized
governance
way.
B
F
I'd
rather
have
a
house
token
than
yeah
some
like
foundation,
controlled
multisig
right
like
at
least
it's
on
chain
and
yeah.
I
don't
know
it'd
be
one
thing
if
like
it
was
just
like.
Oh
these
projects
are
collaborating,
but
it
says,
like
the
dgov
pool,
aimed
to
support
best
patterns
in
blockchain
governance
by
creating
a
methodology
and
curating
a
membership
of
decentralized
governance.
F
B
Oh,
I
think
anyone
could
can
provide
tokens
to
the
pool
itself
like
and
then
to
change
the
aspects
of
that
pool.
It's
done
through
prime
dial,
like
via
proposal.
A
D
F
B
Yeah,
so
I
I
mean
on
one
hand,
I
agree
like
that
this
is
like
where
yeah
this
is.
If,
if
there's
some
spectrum
of
decentralization,
then
I
think
the
style
is
kind
of
like
the
max
of
that
spectrum
and,
like
I
don't
think
anything
else
is
really
close
like
I
mean
snapshot,
but
there
are
things
that
are
closer,
probably
than.
F
B
Yeah,
well
I'm
wondering
if
yeah
I
mean
take
balancer
out
right,
because
balancer
is
kind
it's
there
to
get
balancer
rewards,
but
api
three
seems
to
have
seems
to
be
like
focusing
on
wanting
to
decentralize
right
same
with
gnosis
and
yeah.
I
guess
the
question.
F
B
A
D
C
C
I
I
do
think
like
just
as
a
aside
on
like
governance
on
chain
governance
in
general.
Like
I
think
john
is
right
with
the
multi-stake
like
trying
to
move
to
decentralization.
That's
like
something
we've
seen
a
lot
of,
and
people
are
doing
it
right
now,
but
there
is
like,
like
d5
protocols,
will
all
have
to
be
governed
on
chain
by
something
right
and
that
something
will
need
to
fund
protocol
development.
C
They
will
need
to
make
decisions
on
upgrades
and
that's
why
you
see
like
compound
uniswap
xerox,
like
the
latest
one
who
are
all
like
actually
building
real
on-chain
governance
systems
that
will
eventually
morph
into
something
and
they're
all
having
treasury
management
budget
like
grants
a
small
component
of
it,
but
like
eventually
that
will
like
grow
into
something
it's
just
like
a
much
different
path
than
what
we're
taking,
which
is
like
kind
of
doing
it
from
the
beginning,
but
like
there,
they've
got
a
lot
of
work
to
do,
but
I
think
that's
like
something
you'll
see
over
the
next
year
or
two.
B
G
C
Yeah,
I
agree,
and
maybe
I
think
on-chain
governance
is
going
to
be
different
than
daos
or
decentralized
autonomous
organizations,
and
so
just
because
that
these
protocols
that
live
on
chain,
like
that's,
where
they're
going
to
have
to
figure
out
how
to
interact
with
just
from
a
like
integration
perspective.
But
I
don't
know
how,
in
terms
of
what
that
means
in
terms
of
decentralization
right,
this
is
what's
going
on
with
compound
immune
swap
right.
You
still
have.
B
I
mean
I
mean
I,
I
you
have
to
assume
that
let's
say
uni
and
co
have
more
than
50
voting
power
like
you
know,
maybe
it's
hidden
or
or
whatnot,
but
they
have
more
than
50
of
the
tokens,
and
now
they
could
like
what
the
line.
I
mean
we're
kind
of
going
off
on
a
tangent
here,
but
you
know
the
line
that
they're
gonna
go
for.
Is
that
because
there
is
so
much
participation
because,
like
you
know,
100
people
are
voting
on
each
proposal,
then
oh
we're
decentralized.
B
When
reality
they
have
more
than
50
of
the
voting
power
or
whatever,
whatever
the
quorum
is,
and
that
it
will
remain
this
way
like
it
will
never
actually
be
community
governed,
a
proposal
that
you
know
what's
his
name:
hayden
adams,
whatever
the
so
proposal
that
hayden
adams
doesn't
like
will
not
pass,
will
never
pass
a
proposal
that
robert
leschner
does
not
like,
or
he
doesn't
think
that
should
pass,
will
never
pass.
C
C
D
Let's
do
a
let's:
do
a
dxd
snapshot
vote
about
it
and
and
a
signal
vote
on
next
day
about
like,
should
we
explore
this
further.
B
B
Another
option
is
for
this
to
happen,
and
you
know
we
don't
really
treat
this
and
you
know
there's
the
extent
inside
it,
and
you
know
the
other
extreme
is
that
okay,
this
happens
and
the
deke
style
makes
a
proposal
and
decides
to
actually
fund
this
with,
I
think,
according
to
the
calculation,
now
it's
like
a
170
dxd
or
something
and
yeah,
I
think
or
160..
So
that's
kind
of
like
off
the
table.
I
guess,
or
we
could
make
a
proposal
for
it
and
that's
the
waters.
C
B
All
right,
so
that's
that
I
guess
that's
included
we'll,
like
the
action
item
here
is
yeah,
maybe
I'll
do
it
just
for
the
snapshot
and
then
x
die
all
right.
Any
last
words
in
this
topic
before
we
move
on.
B
All
right
so
geeks
dao,
if
2.0
staking
this,
is
something
that
I
don't
know.
We
have
quite
a
bit
of
the
treasury
and
kind
of
this
might
go
actually
to
treasury,
and
I
was
thinking
there
are
a
couple
of
solutions
that
allow
you
to
stake
if
without
actually
having
to
run
the
node
like
with
a
pool
or
something
like
that,
there's
like
rocket
pool.
There's
stake
wise.
B
There
is
there's
one:
what's
it
called
there's
another
one
that
I
just
just
slipped
my
mind:
oh
yeah,
exactly
lido,
there's
lido
and
we
could
be
using
any
of
those
to
actually
stake
some
east.
Now
I
think,
like
my
thought
to
this
is
this
is
not
I
mean
not
necessarily
for
treasury,
but
just
to
signal
that
geek
style
is
supporting
e3.0
and
it's
actually
running
or
you
know,
trying
to
validate
and
yeah.
I
don't
know
any
thoughts
on
this.
Do
you
think
we
can
get
some
budget
like?
B
I
don't
know,
100
eth
or
you
know,
multiples
of
32
in
order
to
participate
in
this.
D
D
B
Yeah
all
right
so
I
mean
I
I
can
create
a
dow
dog
post
with.
I
think
the
three
main
ones
are
stakewise
toledo
and
rocket
pool.
D
Yeah,
do
you
really
think
that
those
services
work
from
like
a
dow
like
I,
I
don't
know
how
they
work
exactly,
but
is
there
a
is
there
a
very
centralized
element
in
in
the
process
that
the
dao
is
basically
like,
effectively
hiring
a
central
or
giving
the
money
to
a
centralized
service,
or
is
it?
Is
that
actually
running
the
exile
running
a
node,
or
is
that
like
fake.
B
So
I
think
you
would
be
joining
a
pool
and
then
like
we
would
be
putting
let's
say
our
32
east
into
a
pool
yeah,
that
you
know
it's
it's
kind
of
like
interacting
with
their
contract
and
their
contract
stakes
on
east
2.0.
B
B
Right,
yes,
and
then
we
are
doing
some
sketchy
stuff.
It
seems
I
just
saw
like
the
video
of
gabriel
haynes.
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
know
him
he's
like
he
just
does
like
reviews
like
very,
very
basic
reviews
for
crypto
stuff
and
then
yeah.
He
did
one
for
stake
wise
and
I
was
like
yeah.
Why
are
we
not
staking
some
of
our
eth
so
yeah
all
right?
So
the
action
item
here
is
yeah
I'll
I'll
write
a
down
talk
post
about
this,
any
other
things
to
discuss
on
this
topic.
Another.
B
All
right,
so
I
guess
we
can
move
to
the
next
topic.
Do
we
have
any
updates
on
the
luna
social
collaboration?
I
think
there
was
a
post
in
the
forums
sometime
last
week
and
not
in
the
forums
in
the
chat.
C
Oh
yeah,
it
was
like
there
was
a
forum
post
yeah,
not
well.
I
guess
the
update
was,
I
think,
john
and
I
I
think
it
was
last
wednesday
we
had
a
chat
with
them
just
kind
of
touched
base
with
them.
C
We
had
been
texting
or
on
telegram
back
and
forth,
but
not
a
whole
lot
to
report,
except
for
we're
hoping
to
get
them
involved
with
the
swapper
farming
launch
and
so
we're
as
we're
kind
of
testing
and
figuring
things
out
there
once
that's
finished,
we'll
kind
of
reengage
them
on
that
as
they
kind
of
gear
up
for
their
farming
campaign
and
making
swapper
part
of
that,
and
then
second,
is
there
maybe
some
operation
collaboration
on
the
governance
front
with
them.
C
They
basically
don't
really
have
any
idea
of
what
they
want
to
do
in
terms
of
governance
right
now.
So
maybe
this
is
further
down
the
line
after
the
farming,
but
helping
them
even
maybe
incorporating
the
erc20
guild
structure
that
we've
that
augusto
has
built
and
we're
using
for
omen,
maybe
kind
of
getting
them
to
be
built
on
that
or
something
but
yeah.
The
next
step
is
just
we're.
Circling
back
with
them
on
farming,
once
we've
tested
that
john,
I
don't
know,
if
there's
anything
else
that
wanted
to.
F
I
was
curious:
has
anybody
used
the
boost
platform
because
apparently
luna
has
forked
their
contracts
to
do
their
own
farming
and
we
can
compare
the
contracts
to
the
boost
contracts,
but
I
just
wanted
to
have
some
proxy
to
how
trustworthy
boost
is
like
they
claim
that
they've
used
a
lot.
So
I
was
just
curious
if
anybody
in
our
community
is
familiar.
D
Is
boost
mainly
a
like
an
ido
platform?
D
A
F
F
A
C
D
So
the
unique
thing
about
a
luna
situation
in
general
is,
you
know
we
have
some
similarities
with
them.
They
seem
like
they
have
a
good
community,
they
like
our
community,
they
want
to
be
decentralized,
we
have
some
overlap
in
product
or
whatever
we
initially,
they
would
express
interest
to
be.
You
know
a
user
of
some
of
the
tools
that
dx
dow
has
is
building
right
and
then
it
also
they
all
know.
You
know
idl
platform's,
not
here
yet
so
they
did
a
private
offering
a
private
sale.
D
Then
they're
probably
going
to
have
a
token
out
there
and
they're
doing
a
bunch
of
farming,
and
so
they
they
want
to
do
something
with
dxdow
and
so,
including
dxd
token,
into
what
they're
doing
is
is
cool,
whether
like
whether
we
say
it's
like
an
official,
you
know,
partnership
or
something
like
that
is,
is
like
something
we
need
to
decide
and
do
we
tell
all
dxe
holders
to
go
like
stake
your
token
and
you
can.
You
can
earn
a
luna
token.
D
That's
a
decision
that
we
need
to
make
anyone
could
say
farm
with
dxd,
it's
a
matter
of
like
do.
We
do
we
tell
people
to
like
that
that
we
did
like
we're
on
board
with
this
right.
F
D
Unless
we
don't
tell
people
if
we
just
say
by
the
way,
luna's
doing
this,
you
know
we
have
a
relationship
with
them
like,
but
to
have
a
disclaimer
like
it's,
not
our.
We
don't
want
to
like
it's
not
our
product.
Even
if
it's
slightly
audited,
it
still
could
lose
money
right
like
we.
We
should
make
people
aware
like
if
they
tweet
this
out,
like
we've
retweeted
and
we
say
let
the
dxd
community
know
but
not
saying,
like
everyone
go
put
your
dxd
here.
C
Referral
yeah
just
getting
very
specific,
like
I
don't
think
we'll
do
a
medium
post
about
the
dxd
staking.
We
will,
I
think,
we'll
do
it
about
swapper
farming,
because
it'll
be
kind
of
about
swapping
farming,
and
I
doubt
we
will
do
any
other
yeah
I
mean
like
or
what
other
like
communication.
Would
you
think
about
that?
We
would
do
for
the
dxc
staking
component.
C
B
Yeah,
I
mean,
I
don't
know
unaudited
or
certificated
farming
contracts.
You
know
it's.
It's
a
couple
of
red
flags
all
together.
So.
F
Well,
they
for
so
aluna
got
the
certificate
on
it
and
they
had
fort
boosted,
I'm
not
sure
where
and
if
boosting
got
I
mean
luna
I
mean
I
trust
the
luna
they
they're
good
they're,
definitely
experienced
but
yeah.
I
don't
know
we
should.
I
just
think,
maybe
before
we
do
any
announcement,
let's
just
like
circle
up
on
on
the
status
of
the
due
diligence,
because
yeah.
F
D
It
seems
like
that's
not
our
responsibility
like,
but
then
we
can't
be
promoting
it
right
like
if
someone
says
farm,
if
sushi
swap
says,
there's
a
pool
with
dxd.
Now
you
can
earn
rewards
it's
in
the
onsen
like
we're,
not
gonna
audit
sushi's
contracts
and
we're
not
gonna.
We're
gonna
tell
people
about
it,
but
we're
not
gonna
be
like
it's,
not
our
product
right.
D
B
Yeah,
I
mean
yeah,
but
you
know
if,
if
we,
if
dxd
endorses
something
and
then
it
gets
hacked
like
it
digs
out,
endorses
something
then
gets
hacked
and
it's
yeah.
It's
it's
not
going
to
show
good
for
us.
Even
if
we
say
you
know,
do
your
own
research
and
then
on
the
other
side
of
this,
like,
I
don't
think,
there's
anything,
that's
bad
publicity,
so
people
could
whine
about
geek
style,
recommending
something
and
it's
just
going
to
give
publicity
to
the
style.
B
Yeah
all
right,
so
the
decision
on
this
is,
I
guess
I
guess
this
moves
forward.
Then
we
will
decide
as
it
moves
forward
like
what
level
of
engagement
we're
going
to
give.
This.
B
All
right,
I
guess
the
last
thing
we're
talking
about
is
the
opulence,
the
extensors
investment.
I
followed
up
with
john
from
opolis
about
yeah
the
tokenomics
update
that
they
said
that
they
will
give
and
yeah.
He
just
replied
that
you
know
they're
gonna
have
something
today
with
like
a
tokenomics.
It
says
it's
like
on
the
designer
front,
yeah
like
what
are
the
thoughts
so
far.
I
know,
martin,
like
marty,
kind
of
did
analysis
of
yeah
here's.
The
martin's
mini
report
welcome
marketing.
B
E
Yeah
anyway,
I
I'm
also
new
to
this
valuation
stuff,
because
I
used
to
evaluate
some
token,
but
I'm
not
used
to
evaluate
like
pre-investments.
So
one
one
thing
I
did,
I
asked
christopher,
but
he
maybe
take
take.
He
told
me
we'll
have
some
time
this
week
and
I
don't
know
if
I
should
ping
him
again,
because
I
think
he
did
many
evaluation
of
this
kind.
E
I'm
personally,
I
I
think
it's
a
little
bit
strange
to
tokenomics,
because
in
a
way
and
as
investor
you
get
tokens,
but
you
don't
get
any
government's
rights
because
it's
one
person
one
vote
in
a
way.
So
the
members
are
the
the
people
who
can
vote
and
it's
very
unsharply
described
in
the
paid
by
some
banks.
One
person,
one
vote,
but
then,
if
you're
a
member
and
the
member
means
you
are
like
using
the
services,
you
can
somehow
amplify
your
your
vote.
But
it's
not
described
very
well.
E
E
I
think
salary
mining
something
like
this,
so
they
give
you
a
token
for
for
this
and
they
have
a
quite
a
huge
and
generate
a
lot
of
token
at
the
end,
and
then
you
get
diluted,
I
I
guess
so
as
a
investor,
so
I
don't
see
any
mechanism
in
the
write-ups
or
tokenomics
or
pitch
deck,
which
absorbs
the
token.
I
didn't
see
anything
so
it's
not
described
that
you
can
buy
services,
which
are
token
so
I
don't
know
I
I
don't
get
tokenomics.
E
E
And
I
think
if
you
are
investing
at
this
stage,
you
have
the
right
to
to
get
information
about
this,
because
if
someone
has
a
very
low
entry
than
you,
then
he's
selling
much
earlier
than
you
and
then
yeah
you
lose.
You
lose
an
opportunity
in
a
way
and
also
I,
as
this
multiplayer
thing.
I
don't
know
if
this
really
for
me
it
sounds
very
multi.
How
is
it
called
multi,
multi-level
marketing,
stuff
kind
of?
E
Because
if
you
invest
250
thousands,
you
get
the
five
multiplier
so
and
if
you
invest
like
50
000,
you
get
a
single
multiplier,
so
this
means.
So
if
you
inve,
if
we
invest
like
50
000,
then
we
get
one
token
for
one
dollar.
But
if
you
invest
or
somebody
invest
and
a
quarter
of
a
million,
then
you
get
like
it's
40.
E
E
I
think,
although
people
have
to
look
at
it
too,
and
and
if
you
need
like
another
opinion
in
mind,
I
think
it's
weak
in
a
way
and
all
of
the
this,
and
in
a
way
you
also
think
you
don't
have
to
get
any
governments
right
and
this
I
think
it's
a
little
bit
strange
because
yeah,
it's
changing
it's
an
investment.
The
only
thing
you
get
is:
if
they
make
revenues,
they
distribute
their
revenue
to
token
holders.
This
is,
if
there
any
at
any
point
they
they
get
revenue.
E
Then
the
dispute
to
the
token
all
this
bank
and
the
other
thing
is.
This
is
only
like
the
investment
side
and
the
other
discussion.
I
think
we
have
to
discuss
this
much
more.
Even
if
we
invest
are
there
any
use
for
us
as
a
geek,
so
are
they
near
to
us?
Can
we
provide
them
like
tools,
because
in
a
way
it's
the
idea
that
people
who
invest
also
then
are
like
present
in
the
tool
chain?
And
I
don't
see
that
so
much
right
now,
but
yeah
maybe
read.
A
D
Yeah
martin,
thanks
for
your
your
recap
that
you
sent
around
because
I
that's
really
helpful.
There
are
like
these
weird
token
economic,
ish,
outlying
issues
and
until
which
nylon
has
asked
for
and
they
should
be
sending
today
until
they
everyone's
probably
has
these
same
questions,
so
they
have
to
answer
these
and
they
have
to
be
good
answers
and
yeah.
D
It
just
seems
like
if
you're
investing
in
this
early
stage,
you
should
be
getting
tokens
at
a
much
lower
price,
a
much
better
deal
if
there's
going
to
be
600
million
tokens
or
whatever
so
like
it's
from
from
a
token
problem,
it's
bad
and
then
the
other
question
is
yeah.
Is
this
the
type
of
investment
that
dx
ventures
is
looking
to?
Do
it's
very
narrow?
It's
just
u.s,
it's
not
global
dxdow
is
very
global.
D
D
Maybe
we
want
some
users
using
it
first
like
if
we're
not
if
we're
not
using
it
like
we're,
gonna,
be
using
radical,
hopefully
very
soon,
right
if
we're
not
using,
if
there's
only
like
one
or
two
people,
maybe
trying
it
or
just
starting
to
use
it.
That
may
not
be
something
that's
like
that
relevant
to
dxdow
at
the
other.
On
the
other
side,
it
could
be
a
tool
that,
like
everyone
in
the
web3
space
and
dow
space,
is
going
to
need,
but
then,
even
if
it
is.
E
I
think
that
the
product
they
got
is
is
is
good
and
in
a
way
I,
like
the
focus
on
the
on
the
on
their
members.
In
a
way
you
know
they're,
very
member
focused
in
the
end,
so
I
think
they
may
have
success,
but
I
think
in
other
stories
also
how
what's
what's
our
time
of
investment-
and
I
don't
know
if,
if
we
talked
about
this
already
so
are
we
long-time
investors
or
are
we
just
trying
to
speculate
on
on
stuff
or
this
is
like
yeah,
unsolved
or
yeah?
D
Yeah,
we
never
discussed
like
an
actual
time
investment
time
horizon,
but
I
would
guess
that
we're
thinking
that
the
egg
down
in
general
should
be
thinking
rather
long
term.
Like
I
don't,
I
don't
think,
there's
a
plan
to
sell
the
tokens
in
the
next
few
years.
D
Yeah
so
I
I
signed
up
and
I'm
gonna
I'm
starting
to
use
it
as
a
as
an
individual
in
the
u.s,
but
I
just
I
haven't
like
just
signed
up
like
so
so
I'm
on
board
it.
But
I
can't
I
don't
have
much
feedback
so
and
the
thing
is
like
in
a
couple
months.
Let's
say
we
had
a
couple
workers
trying
it
out,
like
I'd,
be
able
to
get
feedback
in
a
couple
months,
but
that's
probably
too
late
for
this
investment
and
then
future
investments
probably
miss
the
boat.
B
And
I
I
want
to
say
something:
this
is.
I
guess
this
is
relevant
for
now,
because
we're
in
a
bull
market,
but
you
know
the
token
like,
let's
say
in
the
case
of
uniswap,
it's
supposed
to
be
like
a
voting
voting
power.
But
you
know
people
are
not
really
buying
it
to
vote
they're
speculating
on
how
well
uni
swap
is
going
to
do.
Are
you
serious-
and
I
thought.
B
Everyone
wants
to
be
part
of
the
tao,
so
I
think
this
is
like,
like,
like
the
price
of
the
token,
is
going
to
move
with
how
successful
the
product
is
unrelated
to
like
you
know,
the
tokenomics
might
be
broken
right,
but
the
price
of
the
token
will
move
like
according
to
how
people
are
using
it.
How
much
hype
there
is
around
it.
How
much?
How
many
memes
this
thing?
How
many
original
memes
this
thing
is
producing
and
yeah.
D
But
nylon
at
the
same
time
like
at
two
dollars
a
token
and
I
think
it's
600
million
tokens
total
supply.
That's
1.2
billion
dollar,
fully
diluted
valuation
for
a
for
a
project,
this
early
to
be
an
investor
in
that!
No,
I
don't
think
that's
not
very!
That's
not
like
what
vcs
would
do
so
yeah.
It
just
seems
oh
yeah.
F
We
have
a
recent
comparable
there,
like
I
mean
radical
they're,
doing
very
well
right,
like
I
think,
they're
fully
by
diluted
valuations
a
couple
billion
now.
Yes,
yes,
it's
very
high
and
that's
you
know
that's
with
great,
like
you
know,
vcs
that,
obviously
they
got
in
a
lot
lower
than
the
current
valuation
right
so
like
if
we're
getting
in
at
a
billion.
That
seems
kind
of
crazy.
E
So
I
think
this
is
the,
but
but
what
I
would
do
as
a
personal
invest,
I
would
maybe
invest,
but
then,
if
the
price
shooting
up
because
of
the
fuss
or
because
it's
it's
a
renewed
project,
I
will
I
would
sail
part
of
it
to
get
my
investment
back.
Basically,
and
the
question
is:
do
we
as
a
dx
are
doing
this
kind
of
thing
or
don't
we,
because
we
are
then
a
little
bit
irrational,
because
rational
would
be
yeah?
Take
your
investment
back,
you
know.
E
B
But
we
should
have
an
exit
strategy,
probably
like
when
we
invest
in
something,
so
this
could
be
like
if
it
goes
150.
We
sell
50
of
our
whole
thing,
for
example,.
D
D
My
concern
is
that-
and
we
can
talk
about
this-
just
have
to
have
it
on
the
open.
My
concern
is:
we
now
have
this
formal
program
and
if
we
like,
you
could
literally
spend
like
five
people
all
week,
long
running
dx
ventures
like
a
vc
talking
about
this
investment
and
that
investment
and
all
this
stuff-
and
at
this
point
we
don't
have
the
resources
to
like.
D
C
C
C
That's
like
one,
but
I
think
we're
missing
like
three
or
four
other
places
that
kind
of
like
perfectly
aligned
with
it.
I
think
like,
for
instance,
like
where
we're
at
in
the
cycle
doesn't
really
make
sense
because
I
feel
like
maybe
if
it
was
a
little
bit
earlier
we
could
get
in
in
here.
I
think
that
the
tokenomics
is,
as
martin
said
so,
like
I
don't
know
if
it
makes
sense
here
but
like
we
just
have
to
have
like
really
high
standards
and
be
okay
with
like
saying
no.
D
D
We
should
probably
just
put
it
on
the
side,
and
it's
not
right
this
one's
not
right
for
us
like,
but
you're
right,
like
everyone
should
be.
Like
that's
amazing
opportunity,
that's
a
great
deal!
That's
an
amazing
product!
Let's
see
these
guys,
let's
give
this
little
team
of
two.
That's
building
this
awesome
project
like
20
grand
and
let
them
like
build
it
for
the
next
six
months.
Right
like
we
can
do
that
easily.
F
Which
is
good
right
because
if
they
end
up
solving
our
problems
and
and
we
didn't
have
to
fund
them
and
we
didn't
get
a
bad
deal,
then
it's
all
good
right
right.
I
think
that's
a
filter
that
we
should
apply.
Is
it
like?
Is
it
solving
our
problems?
We
shouldn't
be
running
it
like
a
venture,
firm
and
like
sending
people
out
and
like
filtering
through
too
many
deals.
It
should
really
be
like
you
know.
F
The
thesis
is
because
we're
kind
of
on
the
cutting
edge
of
like
the
future
of
work,
if
you
want
to
use
like
some
of
the
brand
terms
right,
is
that
we
should
be
like
experiencing
these
pains
and
when
we
find
something
that
actually
solves
our
pain
like
and
there's
an
opportunity
to
invest,
then
we
should
move
like
like
radical
speaks
of
that
really
well,
we
didn't
really
get
the
opportunity
to
invest
there,
but
it
would
have
been
a
hell.
Yes,
like
I
think,
tenderly
not
directly
related
to
governance,
but
that
would
be
a
hell.
C
Both
of
those
could
have
if
we
had
like
this
dx
ventures
idea,
or
we
were
like
kind
of
doing
this,
like
kind
of
a
little
bit
of
due
diligence
we're
doing
now.
If
we
had
that
six
months
ago,
maybe
radical
and
tenderly,
we
could
have
taken
advantage
of
right.
So
it's
like
having
some
of
the
structure
saying
no
a
lot
and
like
waiting
for,
like
you
know,
to
strike
perfectly,
and
I
thought,
like
I
thought
this
process
actually
went.
I
mean
I
don't
know
where
we'll
end
up
here
with
opolis,
but
it
sounds
like
we're.
C
You
know
going
in
a
certain
direction.
I
think,
like
this
process
worked
pretty
well,
like
I
thought
martin's
analysis
was
was
was
good,
like
we
kind
of
talked
about
this,
like
not
that
much
john
came
on
the
call
and
we've
had
like
a
couple
weeks
of
this,
so
I
don't
know,
I
think,
we're
learning.
B
Yeah,
so
I
think
maybe
it
kind
of
like
if
we're
talking
about
the
investment
thesis,
I
think
I
know
correct
me
from
wrong,
but
kind
of
like
what's
coming
out
of
this
is
that
products
that
can
solve
our
problems,
products
that
are
at
the
bleeding
edge
of
technology.
This
is
what
we
want
to
invest,
and
this
is
like
this
value.
Is
it
trumps
the
value
of
roi,
probably
as
well.
D
Yeah
at
this
sorry,
at
the
same
time
like
as
martin's
saying,
dx
dao
is
gonna,
get
access
to
deals
like
opolis
that
we
as
people
wouldn't
get
deals,
we're
not
gonna
get.
We
don't
have
that
opportunity
right.
D
There's
like
a
really
good
chance
over
the
next
three
years
that
ends
up
being
a
successful
product
and
a
good
investment,
and
we
could
we
could
I
mean
you:
can
we
have
room
to
spread
across
a
lot
of
different
bets
right
like
if
it's
50
grand
we're
getting
the
bad?
The
token
economics,
I
guess,
but
the
dxo
could
make
a
lot
of
money
from
that.
Actually
like
we
could.
We
could
triple
our
money
potentially.
E
Will
change
it?
You
know
my
my
experience
in
this
base
is
that
yeah
everyone
gets
talked
and
they
think
it's
it's
it's
fun
and
nice,
and
then
they
start
to
change
the
tokenomics
because
they
want
the
token
to
accrue
value
most
of
the
projects
do
it.
You
know
they
say
you're
farming
like
this
and
then
oh,
no,
we
change
it.
So
we
farm
less.
We
make
some
yeah,
that's
what
I
see
and
maybe
they
go
the
same
way.
You
know
they
see.
Okay.
E
Now
we
have
a
lot
of
tokens
and
people
have
these
tokens
and
they
don't
know
what
to
do
with
it.
Finally,
because
they
will
also
get
voter
fatigue,
people
don't
also
if
they
reached.
I
think
they
need
like
a
thousand
people
until
they
will
go
full
down
in
a
way,
but
they
have
bit
of
voter
fatigue
too.
So
people
won't
vote
and
they
they.
You
can
stake
the
token
then
and
we
as
an
investor,
can
stake
two.
E
So
you
get
also
a
share
of
the
tokens
they
generate
in
the
future,
but
yeah
it's
just
I'm
not
convinced
of
the
economics-
and
this
is
a
little
bit
strange.
Even
if
there's
some
alignment
or
high
alignment,
they
they
they
solve
like
a
pain
point
of
of
us
of
as
a
dow
a
little
bit
or
some
of
it
for
the
us
people,
but
that
economics-
it's
not
yeah,
not
convincing.
E
F
E
B
Let's
see
how
they
address
this
yeah,
like
I
mean
like
I
thought,
is
you
know,
john?
What
you
were
saying
is
you
know
if
this
or
sorry
chris
said
it
like
if
the
stars
are
aligned
right?
So
if
the
stars
are
aligned,
you
might
want
to
invest.
You
know
500k,
but
if
the
stars
are
not
really
aligned,
we
might
want
to
invest
only
100k
or
something
like
that.
B
So
I
mean
these
are
our
options
like
because,
if
there's
something
that
you
know,
we
really
believe
in
and
it's
super
awesome
then
you
know
I
want
to
invest
more
in
it.
So
yeah,
that's
kind
of
like
my
thoughts
and
yeah.
If
I'm
trying
to
sum
up
the
like
the
thesis
is
that
we're
looking
to
invest
in
things
that
will
benefit
us
and
that
will
push
the
centralization.
B
H
We
could
even
put
that
into
some
sort
of
like
short
document.
You
know,
I
think
that
might
be
helpful
to
frame
the
conversation
when
we
do
make
further
contact
with.
F
The
other
thing
I
think
we
can
do
to
formalize
it.
It
would
be
to
like
call
out
specific,
like
pain,
points
that
we
know
exist
that
we're
looking
for
solutions
for
like,
if,
like
it
was
an
example
of
that,
like
I
feel
like
our
treasury
management
like
something
that
like
could
help
like,
I
think
of
it
as
like,
a
wiring
for
like
dow
treasuries
or
like
the
fidelity
of
dao's
right
like
there's
something
that's
like
conservative
but
like
like
manages
assets.
F
That
could
be
really
helpful
for
us,
and
I
don't
know
if
that
really
exists
out
there,
but,
like
I
think
christopher
from
1kx
mentioned
some
project.
That
was,
I
don't
know
if
they're
public
yet,
but
he
he's
like
oh.
E
F
E
In
a
way
to
add
it's,
I
think
it's
difficult.
This
is
maybe
a
better
way
to
invest
because
then
we
can
see,
but
it
needs
a
lot
of
resources
too.
Because
then,
if
we
have
this
pain
point,
we
can
look
what's
the
market
who
is
there
and
then
we
can
actively
go
to
people
and
ask
them
for
investment
in
a
way
and
then
we,
I
think
we
will
have
much
more
closer.
F
E
You
also
see
you
know
as
long
as
it's
really
decentralized
and
without
any
and
connection
to
to
local
law
like
like
opolis,
then
maybe
it's
even
it's
easier.
You
know
for
us,
because
opel
is
really
us
based
u.s
law
based
and
of
course
us
is
a
big
market,
but
it
doesn't
most
of
the
members.
I
guess
right
now,
more
than
half
are
outside
of
the
u.s,
so
it's
better
to
have
product
who
solves
like
something
for
the
dao
on
for
everyone
in
a
way
yeah.