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00:04 Welcome
00:53 PretzelDAO
05:05 Nimi Grant Proposal
22:28 Gnosis Collaboration Discussion
48:35 CoW Protocol Integration
52:08 Infinite Hackathon Update
54:00 Carrot Campaign for Devcon

A

Recording is on.

B

Hello and welcome to the dxdow business call for monday august 1st 2022. um on the agenda. Today we don't have any new memory deductions. We do have uh search from pretzel, dao who's gonna, be speaking in a few moments. uh We're gonna be talking about the neemi grant proposal.

B

That's been sent a few hours ago in the forum. um Under the experience discussions, we have uh agnosis collaboration discussion that was started in one of the chats uh which includes you know: a cow protocol um carrot campaign uh for devcon and yeah under dx events. We have um yeah the infinite hackathon and devcon that is happening happening later this year um and yeah without further ado uh serge. You know you can unmute yourself and yeah. Tell us a little bit more about pretzel, though I think some some of us met you in paris.

C

Sure, thanks um thanks for for uh for the spot and the ability to introduce myself yeah, let me see I'm from munich from germany and.

D

One of the founding.

C

Members of pretzel dao, we are community of builders, but free builders um from from germany. Most of us are from munich and yeah. Some of the people already uh worked uh with dxdow before, for example, nick uh supported uh as from development side and.

D

C

Just here want to also get more involved in the external and joining your calls. I myself I'm more like from the product side and strategy and yeah happy to be here.

D

I'm happy to have you here, I'm actually a big fan of serg. I see him on all the hackathons and he's always a finalist he's a pretty good product builder. I think yeah. I think it's an honor to have you here and and welcome. Thank you.

B

Yeah so um like just wondering what type of uh like, how could we collaborate? I think there are many angles, but I don't know if you have any thoughts, maybe that you have thoughts.

D

Good question: maybe we should we should also introduce ourselves into pretzel, dao and, and obviously we do have opportunities at the style. We do need people to help us build our products, but from from like just a decentralization point of view, I think uh we should be a good example on how to do stuff decentralized. So so I I think pretzel dao could maybe learn one thing or two from from the style and the products we're doing and and why we do what we do.

D

So from that end, I think we could just be educational, but from the builder's perspective, obviously there's there's some opportunities.

C

Definitely sounds great and yes, for sure dexter is something we've been looking at. uh You know just building our dao we're still like in the beginnings. um You know establishing a treasury and stuff like this, as well still on the plan, because we are from germany, you want to do it also in a proper way. So uh yeah there's a lot of to explore from us.

C

But uh one thing for sure is that we always have builders who coming in joining our dao and who also looking you know to get involved in the web free world either com going with us to hackathons, or maybe also supporting our dows, who might need help so for sure, can imagine some um yeah future collaborations here and yeah. Definitely thank you again for the invitation set to enjoy the call I'm also just also here not just from pretzel, though, but also from my side.

C

I want to you, know, learn more uh about the style and how you guys doing things since yeah. For me, it's also one of the best examples of a truly decentralized community.

B

Awesome so yeah welcome serge. um I guess if we know we're mentioning hackathons, we have like, we will be discussing uh our infinite hackathon, that's happening in bogota, and I think before that there is. If berlin, I don't know, if any people here are planning to go so that's also happening um and yeah. Maybe we'll see you there.

C

Oh definitely many people from pretzel, though, actually already confirmed to go, so I expect at least like 10 people.

C

E

Guys distribute tasty pretzels at all the places you guys show up.

C

uh Well, we distribute, uh indeed, for now we distribute nft pretzels which are for free, so everyone can mint one. We even pay for the gas called bakery.pretzeldown.com and it's our onboarding tool for people who are new to web free space.

C

So if you have no nfts in the wallet, we distribute you one pretzel for free, which is randomly generated based on the weber and munich, but in terms of giving a real pretzels. You might do this in berlin. Indeed, sweet.

B

Sounds like a very good giveaway.

B

um Yeah, so welcome uh so I think the next topic is um believe me incubation, grant proposal, that's uh in the forum and um yeah dave is uh they sent it out a few hours ago uh just linked it here as well, and you know this has sort of been circulating and discussed uh previously, but um yeah now we're beginning to, I guess, shape exactly what this will look like or try to figure out what this will look like and yeah dave. I don't know, do you want to take us away.

F

Sure happy to talk about. I mean the the forum post worked with with that adam and violet as well, and um I think it's just like exploring in a way for like uh early stage projects or like side projects. However, you want to refer to it to kind of spin out of dx dow. So of course um I'm sure most of you are aware, but the nimi.if is like a hackathon project.

F

We hacked that in amsterdam it was me john zed, adam and violet, and um the hackathon didn't officially have winners, but they had like 10 finalists. I believe, and we were among the 10, finalists and um yeah since then, we've kind of like just polished it up a little bit for evcc, and then we had actually quite a bit of traction at fcc. We have, like, I think, 700 pages set up now on mimi 13 finalists, not 10.

F

I was trying that's my italian side, trying to always make it sound a little bit better um but um yeah we were. We received some interest as well from some vcs and some other people interested in giving us grants, and so we kind of like explored how we could like bring the project along further and kind of keep working on it a bit more right.

F

Now, it's just been like nights and weekends and in fact, if you look at nimi, it's not changed much since the hackathon, we really just polished the ui a bit and um yeah. We came up with the idea of perhaps like doing like an incubation grant style. Where um you know, dxdow gives the grant to nimi of a certain amount and in return, uh gets like an ex percent of tokens uh in a potential future air drop, which we were thinking around, like five percent.

F

uh The reason we didn't put it in the forum was like we're also talking with other people, about grants like ens, wants to give us a grant uh the graph perhaps and some other people, and so uh the only reason is like we'd like to keep those details kind of private if possible, because of course we don't want to necessarily be obliged to uh give a percentage of tokens to ens as well right. I think the angle we're coming out from dxnow is much more.

F

You know recorded this at the east, amsterdam hackathon, where we were there paid by dx, now and kind of representing the style of the hackathon. And of course, I think there are a lot of shared values as well between nini and dick style.

F

Ironically, talking about this today, where dot link was uh um gone down, but around the whole, like ens and hosting on your ens, which is something the excel, is really a leader in, and I think you know we we haven't really done much outreach or marketing at all, and we have like a decent amount of interest in nemi people in our discord server, and I was also just thinking about the opportunity of like using mimi as a way to like introduce people to geek style right like if people are going to neemi and setting up a website on their ens domain.

F

It probably means they have like some basic web-free knowledge and are at least web free users. You know- and I think, if there's a good way, that you know to work on like funneling these users to dx dial, like I don't know, if even if it's just like shared twitter space or shared community, calls, of course talking about dick style.

F

Whenever there's a presentation about mimi, you know, I think there could be a good benefit for dick style as well, just in like kind of raising awareness and attracting new users, which is something uh we for all like kind of have a challenge with, of course or like. We don't even know, because we don't really track it right and yeah.

F

So the proposal is up, and uh so the proposal exactly uh is like 150k and then for five percent of a future airdrop of tokens yeah and then, of course, uh um we all work at dxdow as well. So like uh we also put in the proposal like a limit of reducing our worker proposals to sixty percent. Of course, we don't wanna all right away, drop off and start working on something else.

F

You know, I think that would be a bad situation for the dow and probably for us as well- and I think most of us are of course also want to contribute to their responsibilities at the dao, probably at a reduced time in the future. If this proposal passes, uh but it's really like trying to set a framework or like possibility of how this could perhaps even work in the future, if there are new projects coming out uh in the external, like other people have a side project, they want to spin up and yeah.

F

I feel like I've talked a lot, so I'm just going to pause for a little while.

B

I mean you know good good talk. I think this is like it's. These things are very interesting because obviously no one has done that before um and I think the situation here is very delicate because, like you said you guys are still working for dick style and you wanna, you know maybe allocate more time specifically to nimi um and yeah.

B

I think you know the if we, if we manage to structure this in a way that aligns both sort of you know the the the the neemi team uh and the dxdo sort of like uh tao and aligned on the success of the product, then you know so like both entities can stand a lot to win here um and then yeah.

B

I think, like I mentioned this in the forum as well like this, could give precedent to like other such um sort of like uh incubation or semi incubations and semi uh um yeah exits, I guess or spin outs um from without so yeah. I don't know interested to hear like more people uh here, uh their thoughts and yeah. How would you improve on this, like? What do you think is missing stuff like that.

G

B

Think it's awesome.

G

And uh look forward to this probably like getting past, I hope, but um I do have questions like. uh I think the I guess like three questions I supposedly one is, you know just more clarity on like what does dxtel get and then what does the excel give right? So if this is like an incubation, like is the expectation that dick's voice is gonna, be focusing on this, that kind of thing um and then the second question would be um in terms of the team like?

G

Is there a plan already, and maybe there isn't, but I would be curious about this because I think vcs are gonna want to know is like who's gonna go full-time and like what you know. How does that work as you transition out of roles from from dxdow, and maybe it's just two questions.

F

Yeah for sure um I think I think you know the approach of like kind of uh going for grants right now is like build a better product to eventually raise uh in the future. I would say like at en end of the year. Perhaps you know like we have some ideas of what we want to do for defcon, etc. So I think you know up to then you know. We obviously, of course, also don't want to just drop all our responsibilities as the dow overnight.

F

um So I think you know, I think, that's the question we'll be in a much better position to answer in a couple of months, probably um and then in regards to the first question yeah I think, like the incubation part in the in the in the grant, is also to justify, like the token allocation right uh rather than just a regular grant, where I guess it's a grant, it's just a grant right and um yeah.

F

I'm not sure if, like how you guys see it about like putting the five percent in the investment in the proposal on chain. I know other. I think we've done other grants where, like the investment terms, so to speak, were not disclosed um uh but yeah. I don't know about that and yeah. Of course. The the other point you raise as well is also important.

F

uh I don't think we'd like expect anyone else to, like you know, dedicate 20 30 of their worker proposed time on nini. I think like the way we looked at it in the incubation stage, it's more like being able to go up to someone and ask some feedback more in that sort of way. You know, but I think it's also interesting to yeah, explore how that could look or like have some more clarity on that yeah.

H

Yeah because, like swapper doesn't have a marketing team, doesn't have the biz tag.

H

Team, like kind of, doesn't have some of the other things that allows it to run like as a product and that's what I think it looks like a geek style product, and so I think, with this like outside funding, presumably to me that outside funding is basically used to like do a lot of those things that, like the deekstyle support system, would do but probably like more in like the real world, because it's like a little more like uh not web chewy, but maybe there's some interaction with that with, like the social media part there.

H

um So I think, like clarity like interesting clarity on that. um But for me I think, like a geek style product, that's providing those like auxiliary services, I think, would have to be like much more than than five percent, but maybe there's something that could be worked out even in like that grant in. In terms of that, um and then I guess, like the other point or thing to consider, is like so the the two days a week for six months um so obviously like that.

H

Has an effect on some of these has other um products, but that's also, um you know about 75 000 of like those compensation over that time period that geeks, that would be compensated for the neemi team, and so I guess like maybe this grant is more like 225 000. For um for that, it's like another way to look at it.

F

uh I mean the two two days: a week would not be paid by the excel, of course is that is that how you were calculating it? Sorry.

H

Oh, I was yeah. Sorry, sorry, that's what I thought it was doing: yeah yeah, okay, oh.

F

Yeah yeah; no, no, no! No.

H

Okay: okay got that: okay.

F

Yeah, no no 100, yeah yeah, like a hundred percent, is in.

H

High agreement, not 100 yeah, yeah yeah, that makes sense right. So that's also part of what the funds are going to be used for right is to like basically compensate you all for those two days a week too right, because you will not be getting paid as much from the excel. Okay.

F

Yeah, I don't believe any of us want to actually uh take the like adjust for the lost money, but uh yeah.

H

Right because that's like another way, just as another way of like geeksdown can fund things is through like paying people's salary to work on that at a certain percentage of time, as opposed to just like the grant thing. So.

F

Yeah, I think one reason for that is like I think that makes it look more like a dx-style product and it would make it harder to raise grants externally right, if, like the dx, if it looks more like a dxtel product like ens, would say like yeah, you guys have like a 60 million treasury. Why do you want 20k from us? You know.

G

F

When we already have 700k yeah.

B

So I I would just say that I would try to figure out like what's the structure that we want to do, and at least for now not worry about, like you know how to communicate this afterwards, and you know I'm happy to help sort of like figure out. You know if you are raising money even from vcs, then how do we? How do you communicate this, and how do we structure it? You know like outside. How do we say? Okay, so you know dick style has been incubated by um sorry.

B

Neemi has been incubated by dx dow, and you know this is what the style gets and yeah like we are maybe nimi is still give it like is still, I don't know if paying, but it's still receiving some services from the style. Like you know, you know like communications like biz, dev and stuff like that, um so like I, I think we should we should.

B

My point is that we should find like what's the ideal thing, that we want to do and not worry about the communications for it. um You know that could be done later, but let's just find you know like the optimal solution um and then figure out how to communicate it outwards, and you know I'm happy to help with that. You know sort of like putting the vc hat and what does it look like and how to yeah how to basically talk to them.

G

Well, I think, go ahead dave if you want to respond.

F

I don't know I was just going to say yeah, I agree with nylon and if you know, if you guys have any feedback to drop it in the forum as well, so we can like reiterate on it. Yeah.

G

F

Was going to say that.

G

I think what one of the things that makes this really attractive for dx now is if it could serve as a template for other projects to be incubated, and I think that could potentially be other contributors doing something similar to what mimi is kind of like following in mimi's footsteps, or it could be potentially even like outside teams. Saying oh look like this is actually an attractive place to get.

C

Incubated and that's where I think like.

G

The you know what services could be really interesting and- um and I don't think we necessarily want to be like piling things on top of dx voice, but maybe even just like dx voice support during the incubation period right. So it's like a limited time. They kind of maybe you know whatever and I'd, be curious. What keenan is keenan on the call.

A

But I'm I'm struggling a bit here with sleep uh but yeah. I also hear that I think we talked about this before john kind of like intro support um when we give grants like not necessarily just a pure money grant, but also a resource grant uh would be, of course, willing to uh consider this but of course have to run by our prioritization as well.

G

So I think, as like founders, you want to be focused on just building right and it's really hard when it's just a couple: people and fundraising's a full-time job and you don't know how to do anything. You're wearing like 10, different hats right and so, if, if like dick, stop, can kind of lighten that load and let the founders really just focus on on the product iteration. I think that becomes appealing right like and uh you know so like.

G

I think dave could probably talk to like setting up a discord when you haven't done it before. Is it's not easy right like uh and that kind of thing I mean, there's all kinds of things I think we could like support on, but.

H

Yeah- and I think that may be a good example like. Surely you should talk to kenyan about setting up a discord like never before, like kind of regardless, but like keenan's, probably not running the discord for nimi, at least for now or kind of thinking about that long term. But it can definitely be like a valuable source of information.

F

Yeah absolutely like, and I think drum raised a very good point, because I try to set up a discord and I I'm still lost today so many roles and so many things and yeah.

B

F

B

Say that you know sort of like an effect that we'll have on this, I think one of the things that are the most difficult to get in like crypto and web 3.

B

Whatever is sort of like reputation right and like your brand- and I think you know- dxdow- has gotten like a fairly like solid brand and um things like mimi and then you know neemi and then you know, there's like a logo, or maybe you know, incubated powered by dxtower something um this could go a long way and this this could also be like a compelling um yeah valuable position for new projects, um because it's not just about you, know the dx voice, whatever this is like tweets and social and stuff like that, it's also, you know, being a part of you know stronger brand, and I think this is yeah.

B

This could be like a very value, very big value proposition. For you know, new projects.

B

A

B

Other new thoughts- or I don't know anyone else else's any comments.

H

Maybe a suggestion that the proposal come in another stable coin, then usdc. If we want to or if we can kind of figure that out, then it could be traded. But I don't know if that's worth it uh here, but just such a large one there uh when we think of like the stable coins and how we allocate them or what the their balance is. It may be an opportunity to redo that, but maybe not to this proposal.

B

Yeah, I think I think these are some of the yeah negotiations- stables, I think that's kind of like um yeah. I guess after we finalize that, we'll be able to figure out how to exactly do that.

D

B

F

B

The next sort of topic um we have uh agnosis collaboration discussion. uh This is something that is, uh you know we we discussed it in one of the chats and um I guess a few, maybe a little bit background. um The uh swapper has integrated uh cow swap and now you know, sir, like sort of integrate it through the eco router and essentially function as like a new front end for for car swap um and yeah, which is a it's pretty cool um and b. You know this puts us.

B

I think dixon has always been fairly close with the gnosis ecosystem um diagnosis. You know, gnosis after spinning out uh glossy safe and uh cow swap is now mostly focusing on gnosis chain. um A few other things that have happened is that there's, like an ecosystem fund, that's been funded. I don't know if it's fully finalized but they've been funded with, like 300 million dollars. I got the chance to speak to some of those guys. um I actually pitched them to turn uh gnosis chain into terra.

B

Like you know, you burn gno in order to mint a stable coin and they were like it's not that bad of an.

G

B

Because I mean, if you, if you do it like, uh you, can do it like better right, like not as insane as tara was, but the idea of you know burn a token to create, like think of this as like a a die powered uh chain. um So yeah.

G

B

I mean I don't know if they're going to do it but yeah so.

G

They call it x, die yeah.

B

Yeah so yeah, uh but this would give like a lot of utility to gno, right um and and yeah. Like there's a lot of opportunities, I think um yeah.

B

I think these, though, should be like my personal take is that dixon should be closer to gnosis, we're sort of like yeah already very close to them, but there's no like official collaboration on anything, and I guess if we, if we even go further back, uh you know, dxdow was sort of born out of you know an initiative from um dao stack and gnosis and then once both of them sort of left it um the community.

B

You know some of the people here on the call uh managed to get basically takeover, take it over um and yeah. You know spin up like a uh bonding curve, sale and um yeah and sort of get it to where it is today. um Gnosis and dow stack haven't really been involved. I mean I guess I was involved from daostack, but um not anymore and yeah. I think there have been some yeah, maybe ups and downs in their relationship with them, some collaboration opportunities, but nothing really materialized to something big and yeah.

B

I don't know with this background, I guess we can open it up to anyone who wants to comment.

G

Was there a specific proposal on the table for how to collaborate, or is the idea just like.

B

I think we can. We can just brainstorm right, so I think one of the things that they care about right is the gnosis chain um like everything to do with gnosis chain and obviously we're there. I think, like we're one of the you know, largest dexes on norse chain um and yeah, so one thing would be. One thing to think about is just just double down on gnosis chain and uh become, I don't know, maybe even stronger a stronger voice in the in that ecosystem.

B

Through you know, I think many people here run validators and stuff like that um and yeah. I don't know, brainstorming like what can we do? Maybe, oh so like this is like off the top of my head. Maybe we could, if we're talking about like dick style, incubating and spinning out projects. Maybe we could, you know, maybe get a grant from uh yeah from the ecosystem fund of gnosis to yeah, basically spin out projects on top of nurse's chain as an idea.

E

Yeah, so I can give some additional background, but there's a lot of moving parts here, obviously, with the way gnosis as a company slash dao has changed.

E

You know, there's lots of different uh groups of relationships that have been built and are being built, and that's mainly because of the the way that gnosis dao has decided to spin off products that they've made, and so you know we are separately like we're talking to and have a relationship with the cow team about certain things related to that, like that will happen also with safe and has happened in the past and then um yeah with nosis dow, mainly looking after gnosis chain, which gnosis chain and the teams working on that have also changed over time.

E

But one of the unique things about gnosis, dow mainly being focused on gnosis chain now, is that it is in yeah, open, permissionless blockchain right. So if you compare it to like polygon or ethereum or other blockchains, it becomes a little more unique of a situation when you're talking about something like alignments and, for example, a token swap or any things like that or collaborations where there's most public blockchains do have well outside of ethereum.

E

You have all these other ones that have created ecosystem funds in order to attract and support projects, building and attracting things to their chain, because that as a chain as a as a layer, one chain and well and eventually layer, two chains, you need you want to attract people to your chain.

E

um Theoretically, like these chains should probably, if they're, open public permissionless blockchains, they can attract people, but they can't it's hard to like form alliances specifically with certain projects unless they commit to, like you know, only doing stuff for your chain, so gnosis dao, you know which, which was more of a a dow with a bunch of different products and growing all their products, they're making stuff with all the spin-offs, and it's just focusing on the chain it becomes a little harder to just align like would dx dao.

E

Do a a token swap or some agreement or partnership agreement with an open public blockchain which then could alter its path forward and and that that could limit it from exploring. You know other chains and things so you know geronimo's asked this question like should dx doubt double down on gnosis chain.

E

I think gnosis chain is where dx dials products have a lot of the most traction right now, which is why we have been leaning into gnosis chain and it's obviously there's a big dow community there and dx dao one of its most well known thing: is it being a dao and it's dow tooling, and that kind of thing? So I think that we just by chan not by chance but by by way of how things have played out, we have been. We have been leading into gnosis chain, but it is an interesting question.

E

Should we is there some reason to specifically like align even more? You know we had gnosis, I guess invested now in agave right but like? Are they specifically promoting and supporting agave more than another lending protocol, or something like that? So if if if dx, dao and and gnosis dow had more alignment, would would gnosis dao have incentive to promote dxdow and its products over other projects that also may be on gnosis chain. So it's become, I think.

E

In summary, it's been become a little more trickier to create like actual dedicated alignments, because it's an open public, blockchain versus what knows this company kind of used to be where it had a more narrow focus specifically on certain products and things.

E

So I don't know what the answer is, but if anyone has any thoughts about that, it's a unique situation.

H

Yeah, I mean you said alignment, I'm just thinking about how do you align interest right? I already think we have a lot of interest aligned in the just the sense that we, you know dick stout is on nurses chain. It has like, I don't know five six million dollars um on there, and I think that is like an alignment of interest where we hope not just chain succeeds. We hope they pour money into nurses chain to help us succeed, um and you know we provide um some value to them.

H

I think maybe the question is like how to further align right and then what are the things that can do that um and I think that's a lot trickier without having something specific. I think there are kind of like two different ways you can go about further. Aligning with um you know some entity, whether it's decentralized or not um one is you do something specific together. You work on like a project you're like we're gonna both devote resources to this we're gonna both uh invest in that.

H

So we need to find out like what that is what that would already be and kind of lay that out and then the second way is a little bit simpler but maybe doesn't yield the same results and that would be some type of like incentive. Alignment or token swap of some sorts where like gnosis chain is incentivized or gnosis is incentivized because they hold dxt and the that was incentivized because it holds gno. um Obviously I think you know jigsaw does hold some geno.

H

I don't know if uh gnosis chain or no system, I don't think they hold it in pxd, but maybe some noses down members do, um but I think that's like another way to align uh interest but yeah. It's either like something specific like a project that we can both like devote resources to or some like, actual incentive. Like token incentive swap.

E

B

H

E

Another way to express alignment is just as an example is kind of what we did with our event in paris.

E

um You know co-organizing events together where there is the bringing together of people from your communities and their communities, and then the partners and customers of all those communities, all kind of showing up and being a part of the same conversations and- and things like that is- is always a good um thing to yeah to to bring together, um and I think that is an example of a like some real world steps of of continued alignment, um but but to chris's point like yeah. Is it like financially, like?

E

Are there financial alignment incentives in place to grow um yeah to like grow the relationship and that's? My question is like now that they, I guess gnosis- is going to have this ecosystem fund like they want to support and give grants and and invest in projects that are going to help the gnosis chain ecosystem.

E

um But can they give like specific one-off? Can they do specific, one-off, like alignments with certain projects over other projects, now that they kind of have to be like a open? You know public blockchain, yet they still yet gnosis dow still has built things like the gnosis conditional token framework and still is responsible. For that I mean it's deployed onto ethereum but like on their site. That's one of their. You know that's one of their things that they've made. How does gnosis dow, like does that need to be spin out of gnosis dow as well?

E

It's I don't know they're not focused on it right now, but like how does do they continue? Do they do they have to spin out everything? That's not basically gnosis chain related.

B

So I I wanna go back a little bit. Maybe I think I don't see geronimo here, but I think the the the first question that we need to ask is whether we want to double down on glossaging, and so, if we want to double down on the gross chain, then you know. That means that we want to help this ecosystem. You know grow and proliferate and blah blah. And then, if we have this in mind, this is a goal that we set to ourselves.

B

um It will be easier to go to gnosis and maybe you know figure out like the structure with them. um So yeah like.

H

Wait, maybe why is nylon? Why is whether we should double down on notices? Like the first question, we should ask like, I think, we're operating final notes, because everything's kind of like normal, that seems like not to be like the right starting point, it's more of like is there opportunity to work on?

H

Something is no does gnosis want geeksdale to kind of do something um but, like I think, dxdow is like content with gnosis chain now um I don't know if he needs to pour more resources into it, but I guess I think there needs to be something from like the nurse's side in terms of what it's willing to provide or like a little clearer understanding of that. I guess it is funding, if that's the primary thing, and I think it actually should be more focused on the products themselves.

H

um Dave I mean ross was in the chat here saying: dx, gov and davey uh davey will be leaning in to know.

C

It's just jane heavily.

H

Like I think, that's a great idea, they're they're really funding a lot of governance stuff. I know they're trying to make it like a dow change. I don't know if there's something around that and then I think swapper, you know dick style has a lot of swapper tokens and I think, having gnosis, uh you know more, invest in that could be an advantage. um Even you know nimi.

H

I don't know if that would be like a potential interest, uh but I think it like might be more at the product level because that's what's actually operating on no like that's what would be deployed or working on those chain.

B

So my my frame for this is, you know the um uh the ecosystem side right. So they have. I think it's 300 million dollars- I don't know, but they have 300 million dollars, let's say um and then, if the exile, if we decided we doubled down on gnosis chain right, then you know.

B

Maybe we can receive some of this money in order to I'm like brainstorming here right, but um maybe we could uh incubate startups that are building on gnosis chain um and yeah sort of like just like we're doing with mimi, but you know actively go and do this with. You know the funds that we are getting from uh the ecosystem fund. So that's kind of like an interesting angle, but for that we need. We need to decide that we are, I guess, maybe more focused on gnosis chain yeah.

G

Yeah, I think that's a valid question like what why gnosis chain like do, we believe that's the future like is it? Is it better than l2s like what yeah, of course, there's like the business specific business cases for it, we have momentum, but.

G

Yeah, I don't know, I mean it isn't.

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G

It's forking ethereum right and they're trying to be decentralized like ethereum. So I guess that's an argument for gnosis chain.

B

Yeah, I will say that I don't think we should. We should do anything, that's kind of like exclusive right. It's not that. If we're focusing on gnosis change, then we're not focusing anywhere else. um The thing is, you know: if we're getting um yeah, if we're getting funding with gno or whatever or like vested gno, then we want to help mr chain succeed.

B

So I guess that will you know automatically happen.

G

Yeah, how well we could succeed in getting a grant, is maybe a good kind of thing to judge by and we could similarly try to get like optimism grants and can only imagine that arbitram will have one at some point right. But, like.

E

Yeah those grants so far have mainly come in the form of um you know. Additional.

A

E

For liquidity, mining and things- and I think if, if dx dow is going to put swapper on optimism or something that you know, the any grants would be probably used for growing and attracting the the products and protocols that are on there rather than like the building of the products, for example right. um But that's that's like the l2 or sidechain l2 wars. I guess that um may or may not start wait.

B

So so this is, I mean, I think I realized something interesting. If we let's say you know, we work with gnosis chain or right diagnosis, ecosystem fund and we get some funding from them and then you know we help them uh bring startups or you know, protocols and help them spin out and help them grow. I think going to later to optimism and saying: hey, look. We've already done this with gnosis chain, and we have a successful track record is, is gonna be yeah?

B

It's gonna, you know so we'll explain our favor and we'll be able to say yeah. We've done this before you know give us grant as well from like optimism, and we will help you like spin out decentralized applications.

B

um I mean this is I'm still brainstorming right, but I mean this could be like an interesting thing and then.

C

B

Later online we go to arbitrage, arbitrary has an ecosystem fund. um We can get some of that in order to help them spin up uh projects and protocols.

E

And and the way that what I'm hoping for is you know as dx gov products become? You know more ready that there's like we, we think dallas are the future, so this could be. This can be taos related to like um creatives. These could be taos related to uh esports teams.

E

These can be all different types of taos if the tools that were that we're providing allow communities to like easily spin up these dows and do a coordination and manage money together and every different repo on on you know, github has their own little dao based on you know some type of badge that they're a contributor to those repos and our tools become something that that these communities can use automatically like those are probably not going to happen on ethereum main net, those those smaller community dials and things just aren't there and it's not like friendly on on mainnet.

E

So the current plan is for those dows probably to exist on something more like gnosis chain, and so, as our products are ready for it and we and we, you know, start to build and push people towards these dow offerings and these tools.

E

It makes a lot of sense that that would drive a lot of traffic and and additional users to gnosis chain, and so until we have an alternative that we'd say you know to to to ross's point like we would probably be dry, like our tools are gonna drive a lot of new users, probably to gnosis chain, and therefore gnosis chain may want to support that and and help drive that, um but that's mainly because that's like a really good alternative that exists today.

E

It's not you know it's not like, there's not much other thought behind it other than that's where we are that's where our products are and that's and it's a good use case for, like certain amounts of money, you know, if you have a hundred million dollar treasury, you may not want to be on only gnosis chain. That's kind of like dx dow mainly exists mainly on mainnet ethereum. For that specific reason, but.

E

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E

That that same situation could happen with other other um l2s and l2s and side chains as well and other echo systems.

G

Old idea on potential collaboration with gnosis is: do you know if they have built a team around gnosis auction, yet.

B

I I have no idea, I think it's it's orion who's doing it, but he's like his hands are like in everything and in grocery store. I think.

E

Auction at this point, yeah.

B

He's with zodiac, I think, that's most of his time, but.

E

But yeah then so the question is like how much does no also does like how much does gnosis dow care about something like cal protocol, because it helped make it um at this point. You know our our developments and our collaborations around cal protocol and being a you know decent sized front end to cal protocol and things does that. um How does that affect our relationship with gnosis dao?

E

Or is it just totally separate from that? uh But a lot of the same people are involved in looking after the things, but you know gnosis doubt operates separately from cow dao. At this point,.

B

Yeah, I think, technically these are separate things, but you know practically, you know anna's stefan's, younger sister, and you know they all work together and you know just like very much tied unlike the personal level um and then also gnosis has a lot of cow tokens and safe tokens. So.

B

um Yeah, I don't know any other thoughts. I think this is. I mean there are interesting things to explore. I suggest I don't know we find time uh to also speak to some of the folks. That knows this style um and figure out what we want to do. I try to talk to them, maybe maybe we can get actually. Maybe we can get the the gnosis uh ecosystem fund guys to present. You know what they're doing what their plan is um and then yeah, maybe dig style, could figure out how to get involved with that.

B

And yeah, maybe uh to continue skye's point. I think you know the fact that we have, if we're going to build like decentralization like doubt templates. I guess if I could call it and you know someone will come and they want to build like a community and they want to focus on whatever that community is doing, whether it's like a sports team or whatnot, um and then we can provide them. The framework, the guidance, the how to vote when to vote um the parameters and stuff like that. This could be like.

B

I think this could be very, very valuable in the future, um so yeah I mean if we can manage to to sort of like ship. Something like that- and you know do this with a couple of projects which I think can be tied to the earlier section of the call. If we can do this with mimi, we can probably you know, figure out how to do it with others, and you know create value for the ecosystem that we create these protocols with.

B

uh Any other thoughts.

B

No okay, um so yeah I mean this is a great discussion. I can maybe start like a thread in um dow doc, where we can continue discussing this um and yeah. I will also try to speak. um I can't remember the the other guy's name mel melanie is. She is smelling on the call yeah. I'm here. Do you remember, do you remember the guy? You know like the asian guy's tech and the other guy's name is like. I have him on telegram, but I can't find because I don't remember his name.

A

Heck and I actually don't remember the other person's name.

B

Yeah all right, we'll figure this out and maybe maybe even invite them to one of the calls um so yeah. That's that um yeah. The next topic on the agenda is um maybe we want to talk about specific uh cow protocol collaboration is, uh is that here? Do you want to talk about that or.

D

um I mean we, we could definitely talk with them about potential things we can do in the future. We we we met car protocol in paris, talk briefly and want to move forward with with yeah talking how we could integrate each other deeply and more more deeply. They are super excited about swapper and capricorn, so so yeah.

D

I think I think we could move step by step, we're looking to limit orders for cal protocol on swapper and if we succeed with that, then then we'll be launching limit orders uh before caprot called themself launched that so that's exciting. I try to try we're trying to do the limit orders now and and then and we'll sync with the capricorn team, how to to launch this together.

E

Yeah and just to add to zed's points like they're, if, if the, if swapper can really become this awesome additional front end to cal protocol, there's like we need to work with we're working with them to get the you know things to show an echo routing correctly.

E

um That's mentioning limit orders, then there's also the they are trying to figure out uh type of kind of incentive or rewards program in order for these front ends like swapper, that are driving users um to cal protocol, and so that ties in with how what we're talking about with swapper and identifying you know what users there are or how much activity it's getting, and things like that, and it ties in closely with anything that drives users to to cal protocol and that's a little unique, because it's the signing of a message and there's there's.

E

Obviously, if they're paying rewards based on traffic that that a front end is sending to cal protocol, there's some tracking of that and there's some payment of rewards, and so we're planning to speak with them about their initial ideas on what that, what those incentives would be. um And then I guess there's additional ideas that maybe one day dx, dow or dxtile community people could could participate in being solvers in that community and things like that as well.

E

So there's a lot of moving parts there, but getting getting cal protocols sorted so that it's showing correctly in swapper and things like that is, is probably the most important thing. I think believe that adam is the main person focused on that.

E

But then we can take the rest of the steps from there until.

B

All right great, um so we have two more topics. One is um so like carrot uh campaign for devcon and the other is uh the infinite hackathon. I don't know if we have any update about the internet, hackathon um kingdom that you're here is there any anything new regards to like the.

A

Regards to uh infinite in general,.

B

Yeah anything in general then uh was the date set for.

A

G

A

Don't have this in front of me. I could talk a little bit strategy. Maybe we had a long discussion on this at the dx voice dinner uh in paris. uh I guess which you were kind of a part of before heading out. um I actually have a call with a gusto after this call, so we'll be running over and kind of getting a cemented plan, but kind of the idea right now is to leverage our co-organizers.

A

You know attain a full-fledged suite of co-organizers and leverage that to get a committed party of hackers right away, uh so we're gonna be setting some kind of deadlines, uh mocked, of course, for our organizers and uh our participants. uh You know uh again don't have the numbers directly in front of me right now, uh but want to kind of hit those break points before uh you know important date, such as uh increasing our capital, commitment, uh cetera um and that point going forward will be supporting the content.

A

Side uh already have some stuff planned, including a landing page vision, uh kind of more of a strategy uh to the organization of infinite and how that would look like going forward, and you know what sets it apart, uh but, more importantly, we kind of want to cement those co-organizers so focusing closely on, uh first and foremost on that kind of pitch deck. uh You know immediate partners uh getting those co-organizers and then, uh from there kind of propagating.

A

I guess that's, probably the update for now um we'll be chatting with a gusso and probably sharing a formalized plan, including dates of course uh coming up here today.

B

Amazing all right awesome. um So that's that and then the last thing is um campaign for devcon. um I don't know if we have any ideas sky. Maybe you wanna.

E

Yeah, so, if, um depending on when carat v1 is coming into existence, if we think it makes sense to promote and get awareness of it, um a really good thing would be to bring carrot, have a focus on it and do probably some type of campaign.

E

You know we tried the one in amsterdam and it got some awareness. It's a great thing for people to at least talk about uh the flyers were very unique.

E

The campaign worked as it was supposed to work, and so the question would be if, if carrot is ready and it's something we want to promote, we have what types of you know, and we need to do this far ahead of time. But like what type of campaign or spreading of of carrot, would we want to do in bogota and yeah?

E

It could be yeah, there's lots of different possibilities, but figuring out what that, what type of condition and what type of goal we want for a carrot to um to do, but it partly depends on the state of if carrot is ready to garner a bunch of attention um and what people can do with it. At that point,.

B

Yeah, I wonder if you can also do something with mimi right. Maybe you know me miadra says performing some action like first, you create your name and then um you need to perform some action in order to yeah. I don't know satisfy the character.

B

um Yeah, so I guess there isn't too much time, but definitely should like bring someone these things. um Yeah, maybe also sync, with yeah john right before he dropped said the contracts already, but not sure about the front end. So.

B

um Yeah so I don't know any other comments, thoughts, ideas.

F

Do we have an update on applicants for infinity, hackathon, infinite, hackathon.

A

I don't have in front of me, but last time I checked, uh I think a week ago, or two was, I think, still very small like we're talking two or three uh yeah sky applied sky played five times and we're we're going crazy now, uh but yeah, that's kind of why we had that discussion about. um You know like how do we get applicants? How do we compete with each global?

A

You know, I don't think a lot of people even know they're going to be going to um pagoda. Yet uh you know a lot of people don't have tickets. A lot of people are unsure of their application status et cetera.

A

um So I think that there's avenues to increase that, uh but mostly we need to kind of co-organize uh or work direct organizers, the go duh, I'm not allowed to say that word. Everyone makes fun of me.

A

uh But yeah leveraging our co-organizers to uh kind of pad that number and if we can do that and get enough people on board through our co-organizers, that's I think our avenue to win against youth global. uh If it's not the right time, it'll be kind of obvious, and we can you know, I don't think infinite will go away as a concept, um but maybe pagoda isn't the time to do it in a bear market and maybe that's something that we kind of focus on in a year or two.

A

B

Trying to say bogota.

F

B

A

Language is an enigma man.

F

Poor king and getting bullied on the.

A

It's like a weekly, a weekly morale boost to on keenan.

A

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A

Linguistics coming through, I'm sorry.

B

It's okay, it's just a little funny, um yeah, so cool, I think um yeah. I don't have anything else on the agenda. I don't know if anyone else wants to add any more comments, but you know I can wrap it up.

B

B

uh All right, then, so I guess we're gonna wrap it up. um I hope everyone has a great week and see most of you tomorrow.

B