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A
Hey
gaylen,
you're
still
muted,
but
I
just
turned
the
recording
on
so
that
we
could
share
this
later
with
people.
If
that's
that's
fine
with
you
and
and
corkus
has
kind
of
we've
been
talking
a
little
bit
about
urban
here,
just
the
last
few
minutes
but
yeah
thanks
for
for
joining
us-
and
I
mean
I'll-
let
you
kind
of
take
it
from
here.
B
Sure
yeah,
thanks
for
having
me,
I
talked
to
some
subset
of
you
guys
a
couple
months
ago,
completely
unprompted
or
like
I
dropped
into
a
conversation.
It
was
a
lot
of
fun
and
I've
been
hearing
updates.
C
B
Since
I'm
happy
to
connect
with
more
of
you
guys,
my
main
goal
here
is
to
like
answer,
questions
and-
and
you
know,
sort
of
start
like
an
open-ended
conversation,
but
I
brought
a
deck
just
to
like
lay
the
groundwork,
because
I
felt
like
that's
probably
the
best
way
to
give
people
a
very
quick
download,
especially
people
who
are
like
not
that
familiar.
So
I'm
gonna
do
a
little
song
and
dance.
B
If
that's
okay
with
everybody
else,
you
can
interrupt
me
honestly,
but
first
I
need
to
figure
out
how
to
do
this,
because
I
don't
use
jitsi
very
much.
B
D
B
C
B
See
the
people
in
the
room
anyway,
all
right.
Let's
start
real
quick,
we'll
go
through
sort
of
like.
Why
do
we
build
this?
What
are
the
like
sort
of
governing
principles
of
it?
What
is
it
concretely
and
then
why
are
we
talking,
at
least
in
my
understanding,
just
like?
Why
is
it
this
potentially
interesting
to
you
all?
B
We
can't
totally
depend
on
it,
doesn't
last
forever
services
often
disappear,
and
because
you
have
this,
you
know
permanent
marriage
between
the
interface
and
your
data
when
a
service
goes
away
or
runs
out
of
money
or
who
knows
what
they
disappear
with
your
data
and
then,
when
that
happens,
you
links
break
references
disappear.
We
don't
have
like
a
complete
picture
of.
B
You
know
how
things
are
connected,
which
is
extremely
frustrating,
especially
if
you're
trying
to
look
at
the
history
of
how
things
happen,
and
then
software
very
obviously
is
out
of
our
control
right,
because
the
stack
is
so
complex.
B
D
B
B
It
does
not
feel
personal,
so
the
basic
claim
is
the
current
software
stack
is
pretty
much
useless
for
really
personal
computing,
meaning
when
I
have
a
direct
relationship
with
the
tool,
I
can
make
it
suit
my
needs.
I
can
make
it
suit
the
needs
of
my
community,
so
without
getting
into
the
specifics.
Quite
yet,
so
our
response
to
the
situation
at
a
very
high
level
is
that
the
first
problem
we
need
to
solve
is
to
actually
produce
a
new
stack.
B
We
need
a
new
peer-to-peer
network
and
an
operating
system
that
overlays
existing
infrastructure,
so
we
need
a
new
technical
foundation.
Basically,
the
claim
is
like
existing
technology
for
the
most
part
when
it
comes
to
like
running
the
server
side
is
built
for
industrial
scale,
software,
where
one
person
runs
a
server.
B
Everybody
goes
to
that
server
and
it's
very
difficult
to
repurpose
that
existing
software
for
some
sort
of
personal
use
case,
and
we
build
urban
really
with
like
three
primary
design
principles,
and
this
goes
across
pretty
much
everything
that
we
do
so
the
first
things
that
I
would
want
to
get
fixed
in
people's
minds.
So
we
build
urban
to
be
simple,
and
we
want
over
to
have
this
kind
of
mechanical
simplicity
that
you'd
find
in
a
bicycle
from
the
70s
right.
I
can
take
this
whole
thing.
A
B
We
want
urban
to
be
horrible,
so,
like
a
pair
of
boots
that
you
buy,
you
would
expect
them
to
last
for
a
really
long
time,
like
you
explicitly
want
them
to
be.
You
know
with
you
throughout
a
bunch
of
different
experiences,
so
we
want
people
to
be
able
to
use
urban
and
trusted
for
a
really
really
long
period
of
time.
B
Ideally
even
generations,
I
can't
say
we're
there
yet,
but
that's
certainly
a
design
goal
and
we
want
urban
to
belong
to
you
completely
in
the
same
way
that
you
know
your
cabin
in
the
woods
feels
like
yours.
You
can
do
whatever
you
want
with
it.
You're
not
worried
about
someone
else.
You
know
redecorating,
while
you're
while
you're
away.
So
we
want
earth
to
be
simple.
B
We
want
earth
to
be
durable
and
we
want
orbit
to
belong
to
you
completely,
and
our
basic
thesis
is
right
that
if
we
can
do
this,
we
can
produce
this
technology
to
follow
these
design
principles.
We
can
actually
make
computing
personal
again,
so
I'm
also
definitely
not
claiming
we've
done
that
yet,
but
that's
the
that's
the
overall
goal.
B
Okay!
So
let's
talk
about
this
concretely
we're
not
going
to
spend
all
of
our
time
at
high
level.
So
what
the
hell
is
this
thing?
What
am
I
even
really
talking
about
or
where
is
it
so
urban's
really
two
pieces
orbit
id
and
identity
system
and
urban
os
this?
What
we
call
an
overlay
os,
basically,
a
program
that
runs
on
any
unix
machine
with
an
internet
connection
aka
any
cloud
server
most.
C
B
B
So
an
urban
id
I
own,
an
urban
id
like
we
also
have
sort
of
like
a
there's,
a
key
system
such
that
you
own,
your
orbit
id
with
a
very
short
pass
key.
So
your
urban
id
looks
like
something
like
the
top
one,
which
is
actually
my
orbit
id
wrap,
my
rock
dial,
and
then
I
own
it
with
a
short
key
like
hold
it
contact,
palph
and
fossil.
B
This
is
intentional,
like
you
should
be
able
to
memorize
the
key
for
it,
the
idea
being
that
you
know
I
can
wake
up
in
the
desert,
and
if
I
remember
this,
I
have
a
username,
a
network,
a
domain
name
and
money.
The
idea-
or
I
love
this
idea
that
it's
a
sort
of
like
you,
don't
even
need
any
physical
stuff
anymore
right.
It's
like
you
actually
just
memorize.
This
thing
the
registration
is
on
the
chain.
You
have
a
node
running
somewhere
and
that's
all
you
need.
B
We
can
get
into
more
technical
specifics
there,
but
you
get
kind
of
the
groundwork
and
then
so
urban
os
totally
separate
right.
You
own
this
name
on
the
chain
and
then
urban
os
is.
This
is
like
basically
a
virtual
machine
that
runs
on
any.
You
know
cloud
server,
as
I
talked
about
it,
runs
its
own
encrypted
network.
So
all
these
nodes
talk
to
each
other
super
compact.
The
whole
system
is
about
50
000
lines
of
code
exclusive
of
the
interpreter.
You
can
talk
about
how
that
works.
B
If
you
want-
and
it's
basically
just
like
the
whole
thing-
acts
like
a
database,
so
you
really
just
need
a
file,
your
event
log
and
you
feed
that
file
to
a
program
orbit
os
itself
and
you
give
it
a
key
right
to
basically
to
decrypt
it
or
to
be
able
to
encrypt
and
send
packets
and
so
on.
That's
pretty
much.
This
thing
is
real
I'll
demo
it
for
you
really
briefly
in
a
sec
and
we've
been
running
test
networks
since
2013,
which
is
really
insane.
Actually.
B
I
haven't
looked
at
this
slide
in
a
while.
It
was
true
I
mean
the
networks
have
been
up
and
down,
and
at
this
point
the
network
is
quite
stable.
We
used
to
reboot
the
whole
network
pretty
regularly,
but
while
things
there
are
still
some
durability
and
reliability
concerns
using
orbit,
as
some
of
you
may
already
know,
it's
getting
better,
it's
got
a
lot
better
and
the
whole
network
doesn't
generally
go
down
and
come
up
again.
B
So
anyway,
we
think
of
the
combination
of
these
two
pieces
of
technology,
urban
id
and
urban
os
being
the
technical
foundation
for
high
trust
communication
being
able
to
send
messages
back
and
forth
collaboration
sharing
documents
working
on
stuff
together
and
not
yet
being
able
to
actually
transact.
So
you
know
sending
money
in
the
trivial
case.
B
One
of
the
things
that's
interesting
about
talking
to
you
guys
is
that
I
think
there
are
all
these
other
forms
of
conducting
business
which
have
to
do
obviously
with
like
interacting
with
contracts
and
so
on,
which
your
orbit
being
this
very
small
footprint.
Secure
virtual
machine
is
a
good
candidate,
for
you
know,
hopefully,
at
some
day
actually
holding
your
keys,
but
the
very
least
you
know
sending
transactions
and
interacting
with
the
blockchain.
B
So
in
the
long
run,
the
hope
right
is
that
we
pull
together
all
your
sensors
devices
biometric
into
one
place.
You
have
this
kind
of
like
complete
history
of
everything
that
you've
ever
done
in
terms
of
every
note,
every
post
image
video
you
want
all
of
these
things
in
one
system-
that's
totally
private
to
you.
It
can
last
forever
and
we
want
to
give
people
a
platform
where
they
can
speak
freely,
transact
freely
because
they're,
you
know
using
a
totally
secure
peer-to-peer
network.
B
B
Even
that
is
a
little
abstract.
We're
not
going
to
look
at
the
code
right,
but
what
I
can
do
is
show
you
the
sort
of
primary
client
that
we
built
for
orbit.
So
you
could
think
of
a
sort
of
simplistic
way
of
thinking
about
urban
is
like
personal,
firebase
plus
network
right.
It's
like
an
authenticated
data
store,
but
we
take
this
authenticated
data
store
and
our
take
is
like
well
look
the
most
powerful
thing
about
this.
Is
you
could
do
a
bunch
of
stuff
in
one
place?
B
B
Yeah,
okay
cool,
so
this
is
landscape.
This
is
like
live
actual
orbit.
We've
been
using
this
since,
and
we've
always
pretty
much
used
our,
but
we've
used
it.
I
think,
sort
of
with
more
commitment
in
the
past
three
months
or
so
for
both
tuan.
You
can
see
that
I'm
in
two
primary.
B
Is
that
so
I
have
everything
is
group
centric,
so
I
have
a
group
which
is
just
a
list
of
people
and
then
all
of
those
people
share
a
bunch
of
different
resources
and
those
resources
can
be
either
notebooks,
which
are
basically
like
some
in
a
blog
in
a
forum
chat
or
a
collection
of
links.
B
So,
let's
see
if
we
can
open
the
interface
links,
always
look
good
people
are
sharing
visual
stuff.
Let's
do
music.
Music
is
cool
because
we
actually
embed
things
anyway.
This
tool
is
pretty
simplistic.
Like
that's
kind
of
the
point,
you
know,
there's
actually
no
ads.
No,
it's
like
designed
to
be.
B
You
know
it's
designed
around
focus
right,
like
you,
don't
want
anything
to
interrupt
you,
and
it's
also
designed
to
be
like
multimodal
right
as
a
group
of
people
working
together,
we
share
different
resources
in
order
to
stay
connected
collaborate
so
yeah
we
like
share
references
in
here.
This
pattern
is
going
away.
There
are
too
many
clicks
in
between
these
two
things
since
we're
all
remote.
As
I
expected
you
guys
were
too,
we
write
digest.
So
you
get
like
these.
This
is
me
actually
ceasing
to
write
a
digest.
B
That's
a
whole
other
story,
but
you
get
the
idea.
These
are
all
just
markdown
posts
with
comments.
Yeah
happy
to
come
back
to
this
people
have
like
specific
questions
about
features.
The
basic
idea
is
that
if
you
look
at
the
way
that
people
use
cloud
software
they're,
a
group
of
people
is
always
sharing
a
suite
of
applications.
B
So
our
hope
in
the
long
run,
for
this
is
that
groups
actually
that
we
can
produce
enough
modules
modules
being
something
like
chat,
publish
links
whatever
that
a
group
can
like
select
some
subset
of
them
to
sort
of
tailor
their
everyday.
You
know
digital
lives
in
a
way
that
makes
sense
for
them
and
even
potentially
extend
extend
the
system
write
their
own
modules,
not
quite
there,
yet
we're.
Actually,
almost
there
we're
like
distributing
software
as
possible.
Talk
about
that
if
it's
interesting
anyway,
so
yeah
landscape.
B
That
client
shows
off
the
thing
that
we're
most
excited
about
about
orbit,
which
is
that
you
can
pull
everything
together,
but
anyone
could
write
their
own
client.
You
could
write
a
single
purpose.
Client.
You
could
write
a
client
that
does
similar
things.
It
looks
different
does
different
things.
You
know.
Urban
itself
is
just
just
a
piece
of
technology
so
anyway,
my
approximation,
why?
B
You
guys
are
realizing
this
in
terms
of
the
governance
of
dxdow
overall,
he
says
I
understand
it
and
I'm
a
little
bit
at
the
distance,
but
that
seems
honestly
quite
impressive
and
interesting,
and
so
it
seems
like
a
sort
of
natural
overlap
in
certain
ways.
B
So
yeah
like
I,
was
showing
you
we
use
urba
day-to-day
to
talk
to
each
other,
to
share
links
and
writing
and
stuff.
It
is
yeah,
it's
certainly
a
young
system
in
many
ways,
but
it's
feels
good
to
be
in
this
very
calm,
straightforward
environment,
and
it
feels
good
to
be
in
an
environment
that
we
have
feel
like
some
ownership
and
control
over
we're
biased.
B
So
you
know
you:
can
it's
almost
better
to
ask
what
it
really
feels
like
of
like
any
given
community
member
people
who
are
trafficked
or
but
purely
because
of
what
it
is?
But
I
imagine
that
there's
some
there's
some
overlap
there,
just
given
the
kinds
of
things
that
you
guys
do
and
work
on
think
about.
B
So
the
reason
that
this
is
interesting
now
in
a
different
way
than
it
was
a
couple
months
ago,
is
that
you
know
right
now.
If
you
want
to
run
orbit,
you
have
to
self-host,
so
you
have
to
actually
set
up
a
node
yourself
and
we've
been
working
on
and
a
hosting
platform
that
basically
takes
away
the
onboarding
pain
and
the
pain
of
keeping
a
note
up,
which
actually
honestly,
is
not
that
it
used
to
be
a
lot
more
painful,
but
still
most
people
right,
don't
want
to
like
boot,
a
vps
and
install
something.
B
It's
you
know
it's
a
few
lines
in
the
terminal,
but
even
that
is
it's
annoying.
So,
with
this
hosting
platform
yeah,
we
want
to
start
onboarding
people
into
urban
and
getting
feedback
from
them.
So
my
interest-
and
I
think
what
you
know
what
kenny's
been
working
on
talking
about
you
guys,
is
basically
like
to
run
a
pilot
program
where
we
host
some
dxdo
members
and
basically
like
in
exchange
for
feedback,
we're
happy
to
do
the
hosting,
and
I
can
talk
about
how
that
works.
B
But
the
main
thing
for
us
is
just
to
get
people
using
the
system
and
and
sort
of
putting
some
real
weight
on
it
in
a
way
that
we
obviously
so
can't
do
ourselves.
It's
stable
enough
for
us
at
this
point.
It's
I'd
say
it's
stable
enough,
but
it's
probably
not
it's
still.
There
are
ways
in
which
could
be
more
mature,
so
to
be
a
little
bit
more
explicit
about
this
like
yes,
we
would
run
the
servers
because
of
the
way
that
urban
is
structured
and
the
way
we
set
the
hosting
platform
up.
B
You
know
you
can
download
your
data
at
any
time.
That
means
just
getting
your
event
log
out.
It's
pretty
simple.
We
provide
hands-on
support
and
training.
I
mean
in
whatever
capacity
is
interesting
if
you
guys
want
to
start
experimenting
with
building
stuff
or
dive
into
urban.
More
happy
to
sort
of
create
direct
points
of
contact
with
with
us
such
that
you
guys
can
explore.
You
know,
move
forward
and
whatever
it
feels
good,
and
we
also
have
yeah.
We
have
a
pretty
active
grants
program
or
even
we're
working
to
improve.
B
So
if
there
are
areas
where
dxo
members
are
interested
in
building
stuff,
we're
we're
very
happy
to
give
address-based
grants
too
to
support
those
efforts.
I'm
happy
to
talk
about
that
too.
We
didn't
even
really
talk
about
the
average
space
is
scarce.
The
outer
space
had
value.
We
can
get
into
that
too.
B
B
B
B
Yeah,
that's
a
good
question.
I
mean,
I
think,
the
use
case
that
we
are.
It
was
like
informal
team,
communication
and
kind
of
loose
collaboration
like
we
don't
have
like
live
editing
and
commenting
so
like
we
still.
I
guess
like
one
way
I
think
I
was
like
we
still
use
asana
google
calendar
and
google
docs
I'd
like
to
get
rid
of
asana
and
google
calendar,
but
it's
tough
to
there
are
certain
features
of
live.
B
Editing
that
are,
I
think,
will
be
technically
challenging,
but
I
think
that
use
case
of
like
well,
you
can
sort
of
like
chat,
discuss,
proposals
and
like
collect
references.
Just
ensures
like
informal
team
cohesion
is,
is
a
is
the
one
that
we're
the
most
interested
in
and
the
thing
that
I'm
always
looking
for
from
other
people.
B
Other
potential
candidates-
and
I
mean
most
of
people
who
are
interested
in
using
urban-
are
using
it
in
an
informal
social
way
right
like
building
building
communities,
but
I
like
this
potential
for
like
more
serious
collaboration
to
happen,
and
I
think
in
that
case
I'm
I'm
also
really
curious
to
hear
whether
people
are
like
oh
yeah,
like
task
management.
A
Well,
I
think
it's
interesting
that
you
mentioned
task
management
because
I
think
within
the
dxdot
community
there
is
no
standard
task
management
and
I
think
some
people
are
maybe
using
some
things
like
maybe
github,
project
boards
or
whatnot,
or
maybe
something
that
they
set
up
on
their
own.
But
I
think
one
of
the
reasons
that
there
isn't
like
this
you
know
just
kind
of
a
standard
is
because
it's
a
decentralized
community-
and
you
know-
and
you
have
to
basically
sign
up
for
these
services.
B
A
B
Yeah
task
management
is
a
very
tough
problem
from
a
product
standpoint
because
it
can
be.
You
know
it's
both
sort
of
project
management
and
day-to-day
like
how
you're
managing
your
work
stream
and
my
feeling
is
always
that
every
product
in
this
sort
of
arena
is
way
over
complicated
and
that
especially
for
technical
people
like
a
much
much
simpler
solution
would
be
desirable,
but
yeah
we
haven't
it's.
This
is
just
it's
really
just
an
example
there.
There
are
other
things
that
I
mean.
B
We
thought
about
integrating
jitsi,
for
example
like
trying
to
get
meetings
in
there
like
getting
meeting
and
calendaring
in
there
would
be
interesting
for
collaborative
teams.
I
mean
there's
a
bunch
of
a
bunch
of
things
that,
on
the
social
side,
it's
like
doing
say,
short
messages
has
come
up
quite
a
lot
doing
more
like
arena
or
even
sort
of
semi-pinterest
style
collections.
Obviously
we
do
a
lot
of
design
work
which
would
be
useful.
B
So
then
you
know
the
goal
is
to
get
get
the
like
sort
of
sdks
and
apis
to
the
point
where
yeah
anyone
can
build
a
module,
anyone
can
distribute
a
module.
B
D
D
Yeah,
what?
What
are
you
most
looking
forward
in
terms
of
like
features
in
herbert's
and.
B
B
Experience
around
to
be
even
more
group
centric
make
it
easier
to
follow
things
for
going
on
in
different
modules,
which
right
now
is,
is
pretty
sorely
lacking,
so
you'll
get
kind
of
like
a
whole
ui
level
like
a
pretty
big
ui
update
and
after
that,
we'll
hopefully
do
both
a
mobile
client
and
a
desktop
client
such
that
the
main
advantage
of
the
desktop
client
is
actually
to
get
signing
in
there.
B
So
getting
a
standalone
is
nice
right
because
then
we
can
have
almost
like
this
hypervisor.
That
sort
of
like
takes
your
keys,
that's
delivered
to
you
over
https
and
then
urban
of
course
updates
its
own
software.
Over
its
own
network,
so
we
don't
want
that
to
touch
high
value
keys
because
you
don't.
B
C
B
Is
kind
of
cool,
but
yeah
I
mean
the
biggest
milestones
really
have
to
do
is
just
basically
like
improve
in
many
ways.
Almost
I
can
improve
the
user
experience
and
improve
the
developer
experience
where
I
feel
like
this.
Tiny
suite
of
things
is
pretty
good
for
us,
but
really
we
want
other
people
to
be
able
to
extend
the
system
and
improve
on
it.
So
that's
like
where
I'd
say
like
the
last,
the
latter.
B
Half
of
this,
like
stability,
improve
the
apis,
improve
the
user
experience
overall,
without
any
specific,
I
think
we'll
get
short
messages
like
twitter
style
messages,
we'll
do
something
related
to
that
sort
of
arena-like
related
to
saving
images
and
making
image
collections
and
stuff
like
that,
but
we're
not
about
to
like
vastly
expand
the
suite
of
modules.
The
hope
is
to
really
make
that
just
like
an
easy
trivial
thing
to
do.
Well,
it's
trivial
as
possible
for
like
a
third-party
person,
I
mean
then
yeah.
B
I
feel
like
I
start
actually
realistically
and
then
I
feel
like
this
year.
I
stopped
planning
beyond
six
months
out
because
I
think
we're
pretty
clear
on
like
we
like
know
where
we
want
to
go
in
the
long
run,
and
we
know
the
problems
that
we
need
to
solve
to
make.
You
know
orbit
as
usable
as
possible
for
us
and
for
the
broader
community.
B
D
Yeah,
it's
actually
like
a
quite
interesting
partnership
because,
like
we
have
a
lot
of
them
like
not
demands
but
needs,
and
those
like
old
school
web
2
stuff
is
not
possible
for
us.
So
we're
like
we're
like
actually
a
properly
forced
to
use
orbits
and
it's
yeah.
I
think
we
will
strongly
benefit
out
of
it
and
hopefully
also
like
the
orbit
community,
because
we
we
also
build
this.
So
this
is.
D
This
is
like
a
really
nice
way
to
contribute
to
a
more
beautiful
future
where
we
actually
build
something,
and
anyone
can
just
like
reuse
it
exactly
how
we
build
it
like
even
interfaces.
It's
not
like
dx
dog
branded
interface,
but
they
just
like
basically
install
the
package
and
they
just
use
it,
and
I
think
that's
a
very
positive
thing
for
me
as
a
tsar
member
that
we
could.
Actually,
we
can
contribute
for
a
better
future
where
we
keep
like
very
sovereign
and
we
stay
so
room.
B
Exactly
right,
yeah
I
mean
that's
exactly
what
this
is
for,
like
I
feel
like
having
been
through
without
going
all
the
way
just
like
I
spend
plenty
of
time
like
building,
centralized
software
and
the
most
sort
of
tragic
thing
about.
It
is
exactly
as
you
describe
it's
like
you
build
it
and
then
it's
like
you've
branded
it,
but
not
only
is
it
this
branded
thing,
it's
like
it's
so
completely
monolithic.
It's
a
piece
of
software
that
has
no
future
like
it.
B
B
Personal
computing
is
a
whole
new
problem,
but
the
dream
of
the
like,
when
you
know
everyone
had
an
actual
pc
that
they
could
understand,
is
relatively
simple.
This
was
the
ethos
of
building
software
and.
C
B
That's
exactly
right.
Basically,
I
hope
that,
and
you
you
guys
are
well
suited
in
that,
like
my
hope,
is
to
find
people
who
want
to
contribute
in
that
way.
You
have
this
kind
of
symbiotic
relationship
of
like
this
loose
collaboration
of
open
source,
but
almost
all
the
way
up
to
like
the
interface
level,
where
people
can
actually
share
things
without.
B
I
hate,
like
the
worst
thing
to
me,
is
when
it's
like
a
new
service
comes
out,
and
I
like
it,
but
I
mean
I'm
just
a
total,
I'm
like
a
software
prepper,
I'm
just
like.
I
can't
even
try
this,
because
I
don't
like
the
overhead
of
trying
something
new
means.
I
have
to
commit
myself
to
it
and
then
I
have
to
think
about.
Am
I
ever
going
to
get
out
of
it
or
like
how's
it
going
I'm
like
looking
up
their
investors
to
see
if
it's
going
to
last.
C
Yeah
galen
on
that
interesting
point.
We
I
saw
on
arabic
chats
a
few
last
night,
the,
but
you
remember
that
service
delicious.
That
was
like
a
bookmarking
thing.
Yeah.
B
C
B
B
C
Another
thing
I'll
say
about
downloading
your
data
like
I've
downloaded
I've
quote
downloaded
my
data
before
like
I
quit
facebook
years
ago,
and
I
was
able
to
download
my
data,
which
is
basically
a
json
file
that
I
can't
do
anything
with
unless
I
want
to
build
an
interface
or
something
and
then
even
can't
talk
to
anything.
C
But
what
we
mean
by
download
your
data
is
it's
a
complete
like
I
don't
know
if
anybody
here
has
built
pcs,
but
I
always
thought
that
you
should
be
able
to
take
a
hard
drive
out
of
one
pc
and
put
it
into
another,
and
it
should
just
work
that,
of
course,
does
not
work
at
all,
but
that's
that's
kind
of
what
you're
doing
with
your
orbit,
which
is
called
a
peer
file.
All
your
data
is
like
in
this
little
folder.
C
You
can
take
it
and
put
it
into
a
different
like
computer,
and
it
will
just
start
up
right
from
where
you
left
off
without
like
any
sort
of
friction
in
the
sense
of
like
you
know,
installs
or
drivers,
or
anything
else
like
that.
So
when
we
say
download
your
data,
we
mean
like
download
it
boot
it
on
your
own,
desktop
and
right
away,
start
right
where
you
left
off,
and
I've
done
this.
I've
actually
done.
C
B
The
amazing,
the
demo
that
we
should
do
or
we
used
to
do,
which
is
still
a
good
demo,
is
basically
like
you,
open
orbit's
shell
type,
a
couple
of
characters
and
then
kill
nine.
It
like
kill
it
from
another
terminal,
just
kill
the
process,
then
move
the
peer
move,
the
whole
event
log
and
restart
it
and,
like
the
characters,
are
still
in
the
command
line
right
because
it's
just
a
it's
just
a
function
of
its
event,
log.
So
everything
you
typed
is
in
its
event
log,
and
it
knows
exactly
how
to
reproduce
its
state.
B
That
does
work
well,
it
kind
of
has
to
work
like
the
system
would
not
be
yeah,
they
would,
it
would
not
be
working
or
it
wouldn't
be,
satisfying
its
goals.
I
think,
if
that,
if
that
didn't
work,.
B
I
guess
I'm
curious
to
hear
a
little
bit
more,
because
maybe
I
can
ask
you
guys
questions
too
like
how
do
you
so
yes
and
some
of
these,
so
some
of
these
might
be
kind
of
naive
in
a
way.
So
when
you
guys,
you
do
in
fact
vote
on
things
to
work
on.
Is
that
correct.
D
B
D
Yes,
so
because
the
ethereum
is
very
expensive
right
now
and
very
slow
yeah,
we
don't
like.
We
have
a.
We
have
a
voting
system
on
ethereum,
but
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
governance
is
done
in
forums
because
no
one
has
like
six
dollars
for
a
vote
yeah.
So
right
now
we're
actually
in
a
difficult
state.
D
But
we
have
a.
We
have
a
well-defined
governance
system
installed.
It's
called
holographic
consensus,
which
is
voting
with
with
like
a
prediction
market
which
can
influence
the
way
a
proposal
life
cycle
is
going
through.
So
if
someone
is
like
very
sure
that
the
proposal
will
go
through,
they
can
bet
money
on
it,
which
will
bring
the
proposal
in
a
fast
mode,
boosting
mode
yeah,
and
then
the
proposal
will
be
voted
on
and
there
are
also
like
penalties.
D
So
you
actually
need
to
do
a
lot
of
like
outside
communication
to
like
have
a
feeling
of
some
will
something
go
through
or
not,
because
if
you
vote
for
something
which
will
not
go
through,
you
will
lose
a
reputation
which
is
like
the
non-transferable
governance
representation.
D
So
that's
like
a
very
important
point
like
defy
and
ethereum
has
like
governance
tokens,
but
they're
they
can
be
bought
and
sold.
But
the
way
we
do
it
you
can't
buy
or
sell
governance.
That's.
C
B
D
Exactly
exactly
like
the
right
now,
there's
like
social
consensus
that
everyone
who's
working
like
has
a
right
to
request
reputation.
We
may
extend
that,
but
right
now
we
actually
want
to
have
like
true
members
getting
a
stake
of
the
whole
collective,
which
is
done
by
work.
Yeah.
B
B
All
of
those
messages
are
at
the
network
like
transport:
well,
not
actual
transport,
but
like
at
the
network
pro
our
protocol
running
over
udp.
Everything
is
like
encrypted
and
authenticated
so
you're,
basically
doing
diffs
of
application
state
right
back
and
forth
between
two
running
applications
on
different
nodes.
B
B
It's
basically
free,
but
you
could
do
something
where
you
kind
of
periodically
serialize
its
state
and
send
that
to
the
chain
or
even
just
like
you
know,
take
just
a
hash
something
cheap
to
store
on
ethereum
as
a
you
know,
because
you
maybe
you
want
some
like
record
or
like
something
consensus
like
to
to
to
memorialize
it
but
yeah
paying
six
dollars.
A
vote
is
pretty
crazy.
C
D
B
Yeah
yeah,
you
could
start
so
right,
so
it's
like,
if
you
have,
if
you
own
the
urban
name,
whatever
you
know,
sick,
diff
pilnup
with
the
same
ethereum
address
that
you
hold
some
reputation,
then
yeah
urban
can
look
to
the
chain
and
see
that
fact,
but
then
of
course
know
that
any
message
it
got
from
sikdefelna
is
very
likely
to
be.
You
know,
or
you
know
we
assume
is
owned
by
that
same
owner
or
like
which.
D
Is
very
powerful,
like
that's
that's
something
you
can't
do
anywhere.
I
mean
sure
you
can
build
up
a
monolithic
forum
with
crazy,
ethereum
node
fetching,
but
we
want
to
build
something
which
like
we
paid
for,
and
it
will
last
for
a
long
time.
B
Right,
yeah
yeah.
Well
I
mean
identity
and
reputation
is
a
very
thorny
problem.
Right,
like
an
urban
solution
is
incredibly
is
super
simplistic.
Even
I
mean
it's
just
incredibly,
it's
like
borders
on
stupid.
It's
just
there
aren't
that
many
of
them-
and
they
are
you,
know,
distributed
in
this
repair,
a
decentralized
way
we
can
get
into
it.
If
you
want
but
yeah,
I
think
like
that's
the
it's
just
very
it's
like
it's
a
it's,
probably
one
of
even
originally
when
I
first
found
urban.
B
That
was
like
one
of
the
first
things
I
was
like.
Oh
you
finally
figured
this
out
like
just
you
know,
durable
decentralized
identity
that
can
also
be
used
to
transfer
data
yeah,
it's
insanely
important,
especially
for
I
mean
it's
interesting
to
think
about
in
your
case,
because
I've
been
thinking
about
this,
I'm
like
a
d5
outsider,
but
like
everything
I
see
about
it,
I'm
like
how
do
you
do
this
without
reputation
like
without
identity
and
every
time
I've
been
trying
to
do
like
little
bits
of
research?
B
I'm
like
this
is
crazy,
like
it's
crazy
that
no
one
knows
anything
about
their
counterparty
really
and
then,
in
order
to
do
that,
you're
yeah,
you're
kind
of
like
you're,
switching
out
it's
like
how
many
times
have
you
have
people
basically
confirmed
an
ethereum
address.
You
know
over
a
centralized
chat
service,
and
then
you
know
gotten
on
the
phone
or
whatever
it
just
feels
like
insanely
clunky.
B
Yeah,
you
don't,
I
think
I
mean
this
is
like
it's
I'm
not
an
advocate
of,
like
you
know,
real
name,
identity
by
any
I'm
saying
like
strong
suit.
Anonymity
is
great,
like
that's
amazing,
but
when
it's,
but
because
it,
but
you
know,
eat
address,
is
having
a
civil
resistance.
So
you
don't
really
have
any.
You
know
you
don't
really
know
anything
about
the
address
like
all
of
those
other.
D
Is
connected
to
the
to
the
down
and
orbit
and
over
time
you
have.
You
have
some
kind
of
trust
that
this
is
like
one
guy
and
like
if
he
actually
comments
on
something.
We
know
that
this
is
definitely
the
same
address
and
like
on
dow
talk.
It's
some
like
some
name
which,
like
can
influence,
proposals
and
outcomes
and
like.
D
Dow
talk
but
votes
no
on
on
on
the
alchemy,
like
on
on
the
dx
star
system,
which
is
like
very
difficult,
and
I
think
urban
can
help
fix
that
because
we
exactly
know.
Oh
you
signaled
in
the
comments
that
you're
a
pro
but
you're
voting
against
and
then
you're
like
getting
suspicious.
That
there's
like
some
voting.
D
B
It
reminds
me,
like
sort
of
like
most
cognitive
science
problems
where
it's
like.
You
know
that
the
way
that,
if
you
think
of
it
from
first
principles
in
terms
of
like
how
do
I
develop
my
understanding
of
someone's,
like
trustworthiness
like
that's,
very
complicated
thing
and
I'm
not
even
sure
if
you
can
it's
easy
to
formalize,
but
you
know
the
more
that
I
get
to
know
someone
the
more
that
I
interact
with
them
and
you
know
we
work
together,
the
more
that
I
know
whether
or
not
to
trust
them.
B
So
I
think
of
like
you
know
and
yeah
I
mean
really
just
accurate.
What
you're
saying
it's
like
what
you
want
is
for
people
to
just
say.
Well,
I
know
that,
like
such
a
key
owns
such
an
urban
address
and
it
hasn't
changed,
hands
and
we've
had
a
bunch
of
conversation.
We
had
all
these
interactions.
They
were
authenticated
with
that
key.
So
then
I
just
it
just
like.
Let
it
like
me,
it's
a
human
like
let
the
humans
do
do
the
actual
sort
of
story
of
like
do.
B
I
know
or
remember
this
person
and
I
think
there's
like
a
lot
to
that.
I,
like
one
of
the
reasons
I
really
like
the
idea
of
just
simple
payments
over
urban,
is
because
you
think
of
like
well
like
if
I
wanna
do
business
with
someone,
I
don't
necessarily
need
to
see
their
like
ebay
rating.
I
just
want
to
talk
to
them
a
little
bit
and
get
a
sense
of
it's
almost
like.
Why,
like
a
craigslist,
in-person
transaction
right,
you
can
generate
a
lot
of
trust
in
those
like
five
minutes.
B
Before
you
like
hand,
the
thing
over
and
so
yeah,
I
like
the
idea
of
like
you-
can
do
that
just
by
talking
over
a
network
and
then
because
you
know,
then
you
don't
have
to
be
like
wait.
Read
me
the
ethereum
address
again.
You
just
actually
know
exactly
what
the
other
system
means.
D
Yeah
yeah
so
like
I
don't
think
this
kind
of
signal
tool
is
in
orbit
right
now,
it's
very
it's
very
tao,
specific
use
case
yeah
and
like
we
don't
have
anyone
who's
who
knows
who
yeah?
How
do
you
think
like
that?
I
think
the
signaling
tool
would
be
enough
for
us
to
completely
convince
us
to
like
use
that
as
our
primary.
It
totally
makes
sense
for
us,
but
like
how
do
you
think?
Can
we
get
to
the
point
that
we
have
that
tool
for
us
yeah,
yeah.
B
Well
so,
first
thing
to
that,
we
need
to
articulate
more
clearly
that
I
think
is
really
important.
Is
so,
if
you
think
of
orbit
like
arvo,
the
kernel
like
orbit
os
as
a
just
like
personal
data
store,
plus
network,
think
of
it
sort
of
like
a
meta
protocol,
meaning
orbit
at
the
user
space
level.
Has
all
of
these
individual
eight.
B
B
The
idea
is
to
move
towards
even
more
generalized
agents,
so,
like
a
graph
database,
I
think
probably
like
a
geospatial
database
biometric
data
and
so
on.
So
the
main
thing
I'm
trying
to
get
across
is
basically
like.
So
writing.
Each
of
those
agents
is
like
less
than
a
thousand
lines
of
code,
they're,
not
really
very
complicated,
they're,
very
because
everything
is
handled
by
the
like
identity,
authentication
message
passing
all
that
stuff
is
sort
of
os
level.
B
So
you're
writing
these,
like
you,
can
think
of
them
almost
like
stored
procedures,
they're,
like
really
condensed
writing
user
space.
Hoon
is
not
that
hard.
So
if
you
want
to
write
a
custom
protocol,
that's
like
reasonably,
you
know
a
motivated
like
when
we
get.
You
know
motivated
engineers
and
onboard
them.
B
B
If
you
want
to
go
down
and
like
and
like
work
on
the
system
like
that's
how
that's
like
think
of
that,
like
you're,
going
in
like
cracking
open,
postgres
or
whatever
and
like
actually
working
on
the
internal
database,
it's
hard,
so
there's
that's
worth
noting
it
so
there's
and
there's
two
ways
to
look
at
what
I'm
saying
is
just
basically
like.
B
Well,
as
our
protocols
mature,
there's
a
world
in
which
you
could
build
this
without
actually
by
just
calling
out
to
individual
endpoints
like
sign
and
send
this
transaction,
you
know
get
me
these
messages
back
and
you
can
build
something.
That's
a
standalone
I'd
say:
that's,
probably
that's
at
the
end,
you
know
towards
the
end
of
the
year.
B
The
other
option
is
definitely
like.
You
know
we.
We
are
happy
to
fund
development
like
this
and
try
and
connect.
There
are
lots
of
community
members
who
want
to
work
on
things
like
this.
So
the
thing
that
might
be
worthwhile
is
just
crafting
a
proposal
and
getting
there
are
tons
of
motivated
community
members
who,
like
love,
finding
things
to
work
on
to
to
like
to
you,
know,
earn
a
or
an
address
space,
so
I
kind
of
feel
like
we
should
just
write.
B
D
It's
it's
also
like
it's
not
a
playground
for
us.
It's
like
a
necessary
thing.
We
need
as
soon
as
possible.
It's
like
it's,
not
a
playground,
it's
not
testing,
we
need
it
and
we
really
need
to
use
it
so
like
I,
I
would
I'm
I'm
just
a
small
part
of
the
membership,
but
I
would
bet
that
we,
we
would
also
like
incentivize
with,
like
with
ether
or
die,
to
get
that
thing
going
like
that,
and
so.
B
B
We
run
the
most
informal
form
of
a
dao,
which
is
that
people
just
hang
out
in
the
chat
and
we
say
like
hey:
do
you
want
to
work
with
me?
Do
it,
but
through
some
combination
of
of
that
and
and
and
some
potentially
either
dx
down
members
or
adjacent
people,
I
imagine
you
could
probably
get
this
done
as
a
community
project
yeah
I
feel
like
that'd
be
great.
I
would
love
to
do
that
like
let's,
let's
try
and
the
I
mean
the
first
steps
just
to
kind
of
write
about.
B
Well,
maybe
I
just
need
to
look
at
is
there
anybody
can
look
at
or
we
can
look
at
how
this
you
know
how
they
grew
down
already
or
is
it
like
private
to
dx
down
members?
B
D
Right
right,
so
the
voting
is
happening
on
on
adapt.
The
discussion
is
happening
on
the
web
2
forum
yeah.
So
it's
like,
but
yeah
like
my
goal,
like
the
easiest
way
to
replace
the
web
2
forum
and
the
chat
is
by
using
urban,
I
mean
that's
basically
there
and
we
can
use
that
and
can
start
using
that
and
like
the
way
governors
work
for
us.
As
someone
is
creating
a
proposal
happening
on
the
forum.
D
B
B
Calls
out
to
ethereum
right:
that's
how
we
download,
we
have
to
check
chain
state
and
we
don't
send
we
I
mean
we've
used
or
we've
actually
built
urban
side
utilities
to
send
transactions,
but
we
don't
expose
them
to
the
public
really
right
now,
but
they
exist
so
yeah.
No
urban
can
talk
to
the
chain.
That
part
doesn't
worry
me
so
much.
I
wonder
whether
you
would
want
to
like.
I
was
saying
that
you'd
want
to
do
that.
B
D
Yeah,
like
I
mean
just
having
a
signal
vote,
is
already
enough
to
like
get
a
really
good
feeling
about
how
the
proposal
will
end,
and
then
we
could
do
the
on-chain
vote
and
it's
like
clear
that
there
is
some
kind
of
consensus
right
right.
D
Right
and
like
we
could
even
create,
like
the
create
proposal
transaction
inside
of
a
bit
like
if
we,
if
we're
like
thinking
about
a
step
further.
B
Because,
if
you
do
have
parody
between
each
address
and
urban
address
or
there's
some
way
of
attesting
to
those
things,
then
it's
fine
like
you
could
you
could?
You
know,
make
that
clear,
even
in
the
I
guess,
alchemy
or
whatever,
in
the
voting
interface
yeah.
This
is
interesting
because
it's
also
something
I
think
we
would
use
like.
I
feel
like
actually
having
some
kind
of
formalized.
B
B
Right,
yeah,
that's
we've.
I've
always
thought
that
that
was
like
a
that.
We
used
to
kick
around
this
idea
of
kind
of
like
urban
as
a
side
chain
in
a
way
right
that
it's
like
that,
you
would
because
urban
is,
I
mean
by
comparison
I
mean
urban
distractions.
Urban
is
kind
of
like
well.
Actually,
urban's
performance
has
improved
a
lot,
but,
like
you
know,
by
comparison
to
conventional
software,
urban
is
definitely
slow,
but
by
comparison
to
a
blockchain
urban
is
like
insanely
fast.
B
So
so
no,
I
think
that
it's
like
well
suited
to
this
problem
of,
like
do
a
bunch
of
you
know,
either
collect
a
bunch
of
things
that
you
want
to
turn
into
transactions.
You
know
hash
them
and
then
send
them
or
bundle
them
in
them.
Send
them
or
just
do
you
know
some
something
to
that
effect.
Always
sort
of
at
a
high
level
made
sense
to
me
and
seemed
like
a
really
obvious
use
case.
B
It's
interesting!
Sorry,
I'm
like
I'm,
like,
let's
think
about
this
more,
I
want
to
look
at
I
mean
we
should
try
and
craft.
Some
kind
of
I
feel
like
the
next
step
is
just
to
start
making
a
concrete
proposal
somehow
or
developing
this
into
something
we
can
before.
I
don't.
I
also
feel
like
you
and
I
are
talking,
and
I
don't
know
how
many
people
are
on
this
call,
but
I
don't
know
how
you
you
are
collective
right,
like
I
feel
like
I
should
be
like
other
people.
B
Yeah,
how
do
you,
how
do
you
do
business
with
the
collectors?
Someone
tell
me.
D
Like
we
had
our
first
vc
talk
yesterday,
and
they
were
like
just
a
bunch
of
guys
joining,
you
know
just
like
to
hang
out
and
to
like
listen
what
what
they
actually
have
to
say,
and
it
was
definitely
weird
because
those
guys
are
interested
in
making
more
money
and
we're
actually
interested
in
just
creating
something
useful
yeah.
So,
just
like
worlds
colliding
and
like
personally.
B
Well,
the
intersect,
I
mean,
I
think
many
good
things
have
happened
at
the
intersection
of
people
wanting
to
make
money
and
people
wanting
to
make
good
things.
Yes,
that
oftentimes
can
work
out,
okay,
but
usually
the
driving
the
main
it
is
so
long
as
the
person
who
wants
to
make
good
things
is.
A
B
A
General,
I
think
we've
already
talked
about
it,
but
the
process
of
making
a
proposal
usually
starts.
You
know
like
this
talking
either
in
the
chats
or
you
know,
on
the
caller
in
key
base,
and
then
I
think
the
next
thing
would
be
like
a
dow
talk
post
to
get
some.
You
know,
give
people
time
to
asynchronously
kind
of
view,
the
whole
thing
and
make
comments
and
then
finally,
the
real
the
real
deal
is
the
alchemy
proposal.
A
Yeah,
I
think
it'd
be
cool
that
you
see
all
the
stuff,
that's
in
alchemy,
stored
in
a
peer-to-peer
way,
because
it's
like
hashed
and
on
ipfs,
but
the
actual
documents
need
to
be.
Can
I?
How
do
I
look
yeah.
C
D
Yeah
and
currently,
basically,
the
whole
framework
is
not
usable
because
it
it
is
just
expensive
and
basically
all
those
communities
are
can't
interact
with
each
other,
because
the
blockchain
is
just
way
too
expensive.
So
it
will.
It
will
enable
a
lot
of
like
freedom
to
those
communities
again
if
they
actually
like
just
moved
to
ireland.
D
B
D
You
see
like
those
smart
contract
plugins,
so
each
box
is
doing
a
specific
thing
for
the
dx
star,
like
the
names
are
horrible,
but
they
do
a
specific
thing
so,
like
even
our
homepage,
is
completely
controlled
by
the
smart
contracts.
D
So
there's
no
human
who
has
control
of
the
domain.
If
someone
wants
to
change
the
domain,
the
website
they
actually
need
to
make
a
proposal
with
like
a
specific,
like
ipfs
links
to
replace
the
old
website
so
yeah,
even
even
the
website,
is
controlled
by
by
the
collective,
which
is
pretty
cool.
That's.
B
B
I
feel,
like
maybe
two
probably
almost
like
three
years
ago.
I
was
like
this
is
amazing.
This
is
a
really
great
use
case
and
and
orbit
is
well
suited
to
handle
it,
and
then
I
sort
of
was
like
well,
I
don't
know
somehow
we
all
we
just
like
didn't
know
each
other.
Like
then
every
example
I
saw
it
didn't
seem
to
be
actually
working,
and
I
was
like
well
we're
not
kind
of
technically
ready
to.
I
wasn't
ready
to
go
in
and
be
like.
B
B
Website
thing
is
really
that's
so
cool
I've.
I've
like
always
wanted
something
like
that
to
exist.
That's
like
the
most
one
of
the
most
tragic
things
of
any
kind
of,
like
I
don't
know
all
the
online
communities
I
was
a
part
of
in
the
early
days
like
that
was
like
the
worst
thing
was
like
it's
like
the
moderator
like
the
operator
or
what
we
just
got
like
burned
out.
B
D
Yeah,
I'm
also
like
I'm
really
curious.
If
it's
like,
I
saw
you
guys
push
out
like
a
moderation
in
groups
or
like
permissions
right
yeah
at
least
and
like
I
I
would
is
it.
Is
it
based
on
like
an
ethereum
address
or
like
it.
It
would
be
amazing
to
see
that
the
dow
is
actually
controlling
the
whole
group
right.
Oh.
B
C
So
if
you,
if
you're
dow,
which,
if
you
can
call
arbitrary
bytecode
to
any
endpoint,
then
that
control
that's
the
ownership,
it
can
do
the
sort
of
smart
contract
level
stuff.
But
then
you
can
delegate
members
like
a
owner
or
not
management,
a
management
key,
which
is
to
say
somebody
who
can
actually
run
the
ship
and
create
new
groups
and
all
that
other
kind
of
stuff.
C
D
Yeah
yeah
yeah,
so
so
the
tao
has
control
of
the
ship
yep
and
the
ship
creates
all
the
group
and
interaction.
But
if
someone
is
like
malicious
and
tries
to
like
ban
most
of
the
users,
we
can
like
remove
the
whole
control
of
of
the
ship
and
delegate
it
to
some
other
ship
right.
C
Well,
so
the
so
the
collective
owns
it,
meaning
it
has.
It
has
rights
over
transfer
and
that
sort
of
thing,
think
of
it
as
like
property
rights,
and
then
that
can
designate
a
manager
who
can
create
network
keys.
C
Who
can
create
the
group
who
can
set
permissions,
do
all
this
other
kind
of
stuff
and
then
one
level
lower
than
that
in
the
actual
client
landscape.
There'll
be
other
affordances.
So
like
these
two
are
admins
and
can
do
all
this
other
kind
of
thing,
but
let's
say
yeah,
so
the
person
who
actually
can
log
into
some
server
somewhere
and
like
do
stuff,
that's
a
pretty
high
level
like
access,
but
that
can
be
revoked
by
the
collective
at
any
time.
So
in
the
dalton
collective
example,
the
multisig
owns
it,
but
I'm
the
manager.
C
So
I
I
maintain
the
actual
working
of
the
star
or
the
ship
stars
and
it's
more
nomenclature,
but
the
the
actual
instance
of
urban
itself,
I'm
the
one
that
keeps
it
up,
but
I
can
always
be
kicked
out.
D
Got
it
so
like
until
like,
regarding
the
the
hosting
offer?
When
can
we
start.
B
That's
a
good
question,
so
we're,
let's
see,
I
think
we
have
like
10
or
15
ships
in
our
own
hosting
infrastructure
right
now,
which
is
just
company
ships,
and
so
our
hope
is
to
we're
still
trying
to
break
it.
You
know
like,
and
we
did
manage
to
break
it
last
month
and
so
then
we
sort
of
went
and
fixed
my
stuff
and
started
over.
B
Conservatively
you
know,
I
don't
know
six
weeks
to
two
months
would
be
like
where
I'm
like,
we'll
probably
be
confidently
welcoming
others
in
I
like
would
hope
that
it's
sooner,
but
you
know
within
in
let's
see
well
we're
almost
at
like
mid
quarter,
so
I
mean,
let's
just
assume
we
do
it
next
next
quarter
towards
the
end
of
the
quarter.
Something
like
that
like
to
to
be
somewhat
conservative,
I'm
happy
to
keep
I
mean
it
seems
like
you
guys
have
kenny.
You
have
a
there's
like
a.
B
D
The
beginning,
like
I
at
some
point,
if
we
actually
reach
it,
I
can.
I
can
like
run
my
own
orbit
on
myself
to
give.
B
D
Yeah,
I
mean
that's
not
the
case
like.
I
think
we
have
like
a
very
nice
opportunity
to
start
very
slow,
because
most
people
actually
don't
care.
So
like
do
you
think
we
could
have
that
earlier.
B
It's
certainly
possible
it's
funny.
This
has
been
getting
hosting.
To
run.
Well
is
like
a
is
a
I
mean
it
runs
pretty
well,
but
it
is
a
bit
of
a
saga
internally.
B
So
I
keep
trying
to
I've
like
over
promised
on
this
before,
and
I
don't
want
to
do
that.
Things
are
going
well
right
now
in
terms
of
like
what
we've
been
testing,
but
I
don't
have
a
great
answer
for
you
there,
but
yeah
I
mean
ideally
like.
Let's
just
keep
in
touch-
and
you
know
if,
in
the
next
two
weeks
we're
like
hey
everything's,
really
running
well
we're
happy
to
onboard
more
people,
I
mean
you
guys
are
welcome.
D
B
Little
bit
bigger
right,
I
would
say
tackling
that
as
like
a
lot
like
kind
of
latter.
Part
of
this
year,
project
probably
makes
sense
like
I've
been
mostly,
I
feel
like
the
thing.
The
sort
of
action
item
I'm
most
immediately
interested
in
is
like
trying
to
nail
down
the
like
specific,
like
requirements,
basically
like
what
what
does
the
yeah?
I
mean,
I'm
looking
at
like.
What's
going
on,
dow
talk
and
sort
of
overlap
between
alchemy
and
dow
talk,
and
I
think,
like
working
together
to
nail
down
what
would
look
like.
As
a
I
mean.
A
B
A
I
feel
like
the
task
management
piece
is
maybe
a
good
one
to
trial,
because,
like
I
mean
on
the
chat
and
even
dow
talk
right
like
if
you
had
a
small
like
a
subset
of
the
community,
doing
a
trial
with
orbit.
You
can't
really,
even
if
you're
in
that
trial
group,
you
can't
you
still
have
to
would
have
to
interact
with
the
main
key
base
or
dow
talk
check
because
of
the
network
effects
like
you
need
everybody
to
see
that
stuff.
A
B
Just
my
two
cents,
yeah,
no,
that's,
but
that
also
points
out,
probably
an
important
thing
for
you
guys,
which
is
like
you,
don't
want
to
create
factions
or
create
like
like
yeah,
like
kind
of
like
you
know,
subgroups
or
something
where
yeah
part
of
the
part
of
the
dow
is
that
kind
of
like
invisible
to
the
rest
of
it.
Basically,.
A
B
Do
you
all,
but
you
guys
will
work
on
it's
like
to
some
part
of
when
you
guys
take
on
projects
like
not.
Everyone
works
on
projects,
so
it's
sort
of
like
their
project
level
teams,
something
because
maybe
it'd
be
like.
Could
you
take
like
a
project
level
team
and
have
them?
You
know
they
hang
out
on
orbit
most
of
the
time
and
sort
of
publish
reports,
or
I
don't
know
what
you
see.
What
I'm
saying
maybe
like.
D
B
A
Yeah
yeah,
I
mean
van
mortal
here
in
the
chat,
is
making
the
the
point
that
we
already
kind
of
have
enough
silos.
There's
enough
like
platforms
and
things
to
keep
up
with
so
to
expect
that
from
the
community
at
large
would
be
kind
of
bad.
B
All
right,
let's
keep
talking.
Basically
I
mean
we
can.
We
can
try
and
figure
out
if
there's
some
natural
way
that
that
that
some
subgroup
might
try
this
out
or
how
what
the
sort
of
like
a
hosting
pilot
might
look
like
I
mean
we
could
probably
do
these
things
in
parallel,
and
then
we
could
talk
about
yeah
what
it
would
look
like
for
some
sort
of
hybrid
dow
talk,
alchemy
thing
to
to
exist
on
orbit,
which
I
think
is
really
cool
and
would
be
broadly
useful
outside
of
this
specific
case.