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From YouTube: Carrot Strategy Call #1 [2023-01-20]

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On cool, so this is a product strategy call where we're gonna focus on some carrot strategy, which is a product.

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Are getting ready to ramp up we're excited for the next version um and I know? Federico and team have been working a lot on it uh in the last in the last, while um I think Banky wanted to mainly yeah like talk about, but okay, so we're gonna have like we're. Gonna have in the next few weeks, like more of a published, probably go to market strategy and plan. But a call like this is really helpful to get different people's opinions.

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Throw around good and bad ideas understand what capacity is what opportunities are, what we think we could focus on and then that will help form any go to market strategy and then like go to market strategy is general, and then you have different aspects of it like how you're going to Market it and where you're going to Market it and and where you want to introduce it and stuff.

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I personally, I still have never really thought or seen like a scenario. It's hard to think about a scenario where, like DX dial launches a product like traditional web 2 style, where there's some like team that works on it for like a year and like they're, using it they're using it they're building it they're, building it and then like at some time they release it and it's like Google's, releasing this new product right and it's ready to go.

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It's like fully done, like apple does right, like apple, does all that work and then, when they announce the product the product is, it's already had all the testing. It's already had all the stuff. It's already it's ready to be used, Dao's web 3 style.

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That seems like that doesn't really happen in web 3 as much, and so it's more releasing something that often isn't actually complete people start using it, mainly people that are close to that product start using it, and then it starts to gain momentum and then it gets better and then it gets to the point and then more people are like. Oh that's really useful. Oh that's a new D5 thing! That's a new building block! That's a new primitive I'm! Going to start looking at it learning about it, using it, seeing where I can implement it.

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um So the good thing about that is, we did carrot Alpha um and it was a usable finished product. It was basic and I'd say we were the main user of it, because we were learning how to use it and there's like yeah, and it was mainly because the front end, so people couldn't just come, create their own campaigns. So we had to create campaigns for people. If carrot B1 is yeah, it was supposed to be different than that. Where it's more permissionless there could be some aspects that are not permissionless but um yeah I.

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It's we've seen I've seen like what it's a character. V1 like might be, but I like, obviously until we can touch it and use it it's hard to like dive into it totally.

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The the product that I keep going back to that was pretty is a pretty impressive product because of what it is is Omen like if carrot works, like Omen did.

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um Obviously, Oma didn't get the adoption but like, if you think about all the the pieces of it that make it up it's a very complex product and the fact that it actually accomplished a lot of the things we're trying to do with carrot.

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um It's pretty impressive. So if, if carrot has many of those same aspects, um I think it's going to be pretty helpful um versus other, you know, swapper is also pretty permissionless, which is which is cool also um but yeah from.

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Thank you go ahead.

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Yeah I mean for for from the launch perspective. I was thinking like I mean from the launch and the product perspective. Then we have this V1 ready, I'm, guessing that uh we can have some people create campaigns from uh character like it will be, um I think creating campaigns and uh selecting what oracles to choose and all will work.

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So in that perspective, carrot V1 would be almost be ready that might be like smaller yeah there'll always be like the smaller updates that we might want to do, but then I'm guessing that the product will be ready for us to yeah.

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But but if you're saying that's early like the beginning of March, that's in a month and a week from now yeah.

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If we literally, if none of us have used it, I I'd, be very surprised if it's when it goes, live yeah, okay, like if it goes, live and it can do everything carrot, V Alpha does in a permissionless way.

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That alone is powerful, like people can create their own campaigns now, oracles and new oracles, and all that stuff creating in a permissionless way super complicated using reality, Oracle yeah or DX Dao Oracle. Those would be two things that right off the bat I think someone could to could do, but I don't see, I I, actually don't see other communities or anyone else, creating carrot, V1 campaigns until DX Dao itself uses some.

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Does some live campaigns itself and if, in the beginning of March we can we can we do that ourselves, then that would be great, but in my mind we need to like play around with it for like at least two weeks or three weeks before we use it for a real campaign unless it's like, if it's really launched- and it's like everything works perfectly, which should be amazing, then we can do that so I I've never seen a product. Do that to be honest, but um but we know Cara V1 works or carrot.

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Alpha worked right, so we could come up with a few, a handful of campaigns at DX Dao, we'll use it for when it's ready to go, live with real money right.

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I I don't see how you can how we could have other people use it at the beginning of March. If.

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Not already using it today where.

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Is it yeah yeah I mean we still have to be prepared for it? Okay, that's that's what I I mean we shouldn't have a Target set of projects that we want to reach out to.

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We should have like a list of uh partners that we might want to reach out to at least from our perspective, I mean we don't have to reach out to them like right now and say that yeah we're coming up with a product that is, you know two three months uh in two three months will be ready, but we should probably have like a list of uh projects that we would want to launch this with and uh have.

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No I don't know I mean by launch this with, though, like what do you mean by launch this I.

C

Mean even even if it is like within DX tab, uh we should probably have like a couple of examples right like what what do? If, if we want to have this with swapper like what do you yeah? How would you launch this with like? Is it?

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Is it going to be like uh the same tvl it's going to be like uh the price, so we might want to think and start thinking around these lines so that we could create templates of a sample campaigns of these, so that whenever that we are testing, we, we have those ready as well.

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Yeah So, when you say create templates, does that mean that all types of campaigns so like on this stock and in the past we have a whole different. They have like five or six or seven different types of campaigns. We did yeah when you say create templates for those. What do you mean by create templates.

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No I mean to create uh campaigns, not templates samples.

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Yeah sample campaigns, I think there's only one template that we have this erc20 kPa token template. That's the only thing that we have right now, um but uh yeah different use cases like what what would what would if, if we reach out to, for instance, uh yeah, if, if we, if, if nimi, wants to do this with uh carrot, uh what how could it be? How could it work if gills was work with carrot?

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How would it be it's a kind of just different different use cases around it uh and then, maybe, when we are almost there and ready, uh we could reach out to these projects and then help them with. This is how we are imagining how you could use it.

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um Yeah so I agree, so so swap is that it's easier with projects that we are that we are right, so you could easily see nimi doing a an awareness campaign. An awareness campaign takes obviously money. So for campaigns you need a project or a community. You need a goal that you can actually make with a campaign language like crafting the campaign language. The condition is the most important part of a campaign right then you need money.

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You need money from someone that is willing to spend money to achieve that goal right or in this trial period.

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That money could even come from DX Dow so like if Mimi doesn't have money to do an awareness campaign, DX Dow can fund an awareness campaign for nimi, right, yeah or so and and swapper we already know. So what I want to know is is if I think we should totally do a swap or a campaign So. Currently we're not doing farming, but when we're gonna launch, one of the main use cases of of carrot is smarter farming.

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So, if we're going to do farming, which we should even as a trial, do some farming we're going to do smarter farming, that's effectively very unless you, unless carrot V1, is totally different and there's a Oracle that's automatic for for tvl instead of using reality, um then that's very similar to the other campaigns. We've already done many of right, so there's a whole bunch of campaigns. We already know we can do if we did another the expenses campaign and then there's new ones like claros, like incentivizing, a team based on kpis.

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So now we have Guild, so we could incentivize a DX Dow Guild based on a certain kpi metric using carrots. So that's a new one. We've never done so. It's not it's not hard to come up with ideas for how to use conditional tokens. The the things you need are the condition that can't be gamed an oracle that solves that condition. The way we want it to either automatic. Now, if you're telling me there's a there's an oracle now that can do an average over time over a month and automatically settle it.

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That's awesome because Karen Alpha doesn't have that you.

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Know, but if V1 will not have it either.

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So so what does V1 okay? So this is what, if we're going to come up with ideas, because we can come up with lots of ideas, what exactly does carrot V1 do and what exactly does it look like yeah that that, until we need to know that before we can come up with ideas on how to use it right.

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I mean I can already come up with ideas: how to use carrot in general, whether or not Cara V1 does something differently is another story, and this is not even Auto. Permissionless campaigns, This Is Us, creating our own campaigns. If there's also permissionless, then like, we could come up with more ideas on who could create permissionless campaigns.

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Yeah so in in general, most campaigns either a third party campaigns which we can work with people based on the list. There's we have eight different types of things we can do with carrot. We already know in our heads we can do that for ourselves and then we're going to use those eight ideas and we're going to assume that they actually work and we're going to go and we're going to get other communities to that want to use those same ideas.

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So we can do that, but we need to know that those types of campaigns actually work and and the permissionless part I'm not even sure, it's necessary, because if we're saying oh we're doing a farming campaign with farming, we already know we do like Hopper. We already did it. So we already, we already know smarter farming campaigns work. But the question is: do people want to do farming um if we want to do another awareness campaign with some third party like giveth?

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If giveth wants to do an awareness campaign, we just need to come up with what that thing is and that it can't be gamed and that our oracles can solve it, but I right now, I, don't know what our oracles do. I know that reality can do anything, but then- or do we want to stress? Do we want to show the world the other oracles I, don't even know what the other oracles are. To be honest, so, in my mind we're only using reality.e as a as of now I.

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Don't know what the other oracles are.

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Yeah I mean in the future it would be chain link and uni swap team up.

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Okay, so, but so chain link. We already know we had a terrible experience with chain link because we had them create an oracle for a swapper pole that we never used. We never put into carrot and then- and it was too small, and so they took it down because it cost a lot of money to have that. So you we could of chain link data that exists in the world are ready, which is mainly not on gnosis chain. It's mainly on Main net and other chains.

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We could come up. We could see what the list of chain link data is, and we could put some choose some of those and put those into the chain link Oracle in carrot and then any projects that have data related to that data could do permissionless campaigns using Oracle chain link Oracle on um carrot right, but we yeah so that that that is. You can only do campaigns for data that is actually live and good in chain link already and and I.

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Don't think that's on on gnosis chains, so um the question would be: does someone want to do a campaign on gnosis chain when their data and the the real monies on mainnet? So that's another unanswered question, but because I don't know what car everyone how it works like? Are we going to have it? Oh we're going to have it only on gnosis chain right at first.

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I, don't know probably.

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I'm, assuming right.

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Yeah I would prefer both mainnet uh or one of the layer Do's as well, but yeah.

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Start so this okay, so that so what chain we're on at beginning of March I mean I was surprised. You guys said this thing is ready to go beginning of March if it is amazing, but we can't go and line up an entire thing for like a legit project on mainnet to like do a carrot campaign starting March 1st, like I, you can't even go. Do that with someone like you, you would be.

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You would get yourself in a bad Corner if you went right now and and like set up so that we're gonna launch carrot on March, 1st and they're gonna, be a campaign launch partner on March 1st, like I, could see so many things going wrong with that that you almost can't do it. That's why we need to do it ourselves. First right, I, think yeah.

C

I mean um the reason why I wanted to have this was for us to be prepared and aligned better in understanding how we could sell this right. Yeah I mean there are like a million ways that it could go wrong or yeah it could not.

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It doesn't need to have take off as well, but I mean we have to do some sort of preparation in understanding like you guys should know what you are, um uh what you're getting and what we will need to Market what kind of content that we would need to be ready uh by by the time that this product is ready to go into the wild, so yeah. So yeah.

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So the first first step is we need to before we can come up with ideas or new ideas or people that can use it. We need to know what it can do like exactly. We actually need to touch it. We need to use it and touch it to know what it can do like. If you just write me a paragraph about what Cara V1 does I, don't know if that's good enough like if we did that with Davi, then it wouldn't it doesn't it's not like a paragraph doesn't mean anything like this thing.

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Does accessible autonomy doesn't mean it? Doesn't we can't show Davi to the anyone yet. So if you tell me what character one does we actually need to touch it like? When can we actually play around with it? That's the question: when can we start using it and creating test campaigns? Can we do that, like this month or next month, yeah.

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I think, like a couple of weeks- maybe um maybe we could yeah, we could create test campaigns and such but yeah, uh but yeah. It would still need some some more time, testing it and so on. But.

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Cool, so we have the campaigns we did from carrot Alpha, so we already have examples um we can like.

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uh Okay is this only the question is: is this only on gnosis chain? So if it's only a gnosis chain, let's say we have the entire Community like the same communities that are doing nfbs right. There's 27 communities, those 27 communities. We can show them three of the styles of campaigns. That carrot does that we've done or we are preparing to do which I'm assuming will be reality.etherical until shown something otherwise and then we could see if any of them want would like to be like Agave right.

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For example, agave we got as a an official launch partner and something something I think went went wrong with that, but things projects like that which is in the gnosis community ecosystem would be probably the most ideal um projects for participating in an early, um an earlier campaign on carrot, V1 assuming they have a goal. That can be a condition that can be set and they have money to spend to achieve that goal.

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Agave. It made a lot of sense because they wanted to mine tvl right. Yeah um are other yeah, like the other close partners. That would be good that we could work with are the ones we already worked with, which is cow or gnosis or yes, potentially safe.

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So this is all still in gnosis ecosystem, because this is where Cara was it's a big difference like driving some, so a whole new thing would be bridging carrot tokens to other chains. So that's something we haven't done: bridging to mainnet, less exciting bridging from gnosis chain to polygon.

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More interesting, there's a whole ecosystem on polygon, which we are not have never really been a part of, but we could either deploy karadon polygon, which is not a bad idea, or we would Bridge tokens over less exciting, because then users get tokens on other chain and have to bring them back to gnosis chain to redeem tokens right yeah, so that there's lots of potential opportunity worlds. But we need to.

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um We need to first know where Karen I guess is going to be I'm assuming I'm, assuming it looks a lot like carrot, Alpha until shown otherwise.

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Being a little quiet this morning, my throat infection from early in the week is flaring up a bit, um definitely agree with the element of uh wanting to have a deeper understanding before any decision making, but I've been thinking a lot about the go to markets. uh Strategization of voice guilt, this last little bit uh so I want to give a little bit of context there.

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um I guess you can't really share images here, I'll put in the product strategy chat and key base a little bit of a flow. You can visualize kind of what I'm talking about, um but I imagine kind of a four-step approach to handling this first would be the product strategy part, basically justification and validation of an idea. I. Imagine relating this to the carrot idea now or where the product is now.

B

This step I would imagine to exist before um the stage that we're in now, like obviously earlier in the product life cycle, making sure the product makes sense. uh You know why are we motivated to create it? What's this purpose Etc um and once that is something that is concrete and cemented, we've Justified the product uh moving on to kind of the bright and voice strategy, um so brand, of course, being what it looks like in voice being what it sounds like the communication, uh serious playful.

B

Does it translate to some kind of consistent voice and.

C

Once you have that Baseline.

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Of you know what is this thing and how do we communicated uh you can move on to the distribution uh to focus on audience and actions? From my perspective, you know, first of all determining a better understanding. What our audience is. What who are they now who.

C

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To use their product and what are they looking for and.

C

Building campaigns around that.

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Is the main part of the action so producing and attaching relevant campaign documents is a very important step of our deliverables. This half of the year and.

C

Once you have an idea of how you want to distribute it.

B

Is when you can run into the community strategy and that's how you connect with people and how you support people, we haven't really had a support strategy before and there's kind of, a big question mark on who handles support, um it's kind of like ascertaining like who does the support, who has the information, who's, handling the documentation um and then obviously the connection the limit of where do we connect with the community? How do we connect with the community? Where do we let people communicate?

B

um If you look at the uh chart in the product strategy chat, it kind of has a better visualization of that and how the elements kind of handle together um and I guess. The main thing, then, is timelining.

B

um And I yeah I guess it would be like you guys, are ready early March um or you think you'll be ready, but maybe we can kind of build towards a more a certain date for a launch that would include you know the establisher and the product is in an operable, State um and kind of working together to find that date. I'm, not sure what you guys are thinking, foreign.

C

I'm trying to read this.

A

So really, interestingly, Omen doesn't have like business users, not it's not a product for communities. It's you know it's well, it can be if they make the markets but Omen launched, and um this like idea of like documentation. So if care is permissionless, if carrots a lot like Omen what people, what what communities want or people need is like a video or documentation like look, look at gnosis chain, docs like they can walk through, and you can see how to do anything, but even videos on how to create a campaign on carrot.

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um All of that stuff will need in a permissionless product. All that stuff is definitely needed, um which is like a video walking through how you make the campaign. What are the important things of the campaign in a in a dock? What you have to think about, when you make a condition, um permissionless conditions are an extremely complex thing and omen pretty much figured out the best we've ever seen, um there's a whole.

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There was a whole like validate or verify conditions because bad conditions that are invalid lead to big problems, and so in a permissionless carrot system, you need to make sure that the condition can't be yeah.

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That is a it's like a well thought out condition, um but that, like documentation, the voice of the product like I I'm, not sure you need like in your graph they're Keenan like um The Voice, the like okay incentive tokens I, think we know that there is we what we've seen there are use cases how big these use cases are, there's a lot of experience with Uma as well. So they have lots of use additional use cases and proven usage, but it never really like totally taken off so there's validation there.

A

um The ex-vice facilitation like Brandon, voice distribution strategy- that's like that, doesn't need to be done in like full force. That needs to be done in some Force, which is like the site, the the product, how you use the product, those Basics obviously should be there, um they're, probably not going to be there at launch of like when DX Dow does its first campaign I'm, not sure that those videos and those docs are going to be there we're going to do a campaign in doing the campaign.

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We're gonna start creating the docs for how to do a campaign right um and then Community strategy like that's who and who else can use it in and things like that, and then this launch.

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um This is like the this. Is the public launch right like the thing is already launched and we're using it and we're making docs based off using different campaigns and stuff? This launch in yellow is like this thing's now been used and tested, and people are permissionlessly, creating campaigns, and now everyone can go permissionally, create campaigns and it works, and that's what Omen basically got to is that is that what the what you mean by launch Canon or like do you need all of this stuff before you even have DX Dow?

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Do a campaign using it.

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All right, let's just writing out I, think.

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um I visualize this as a as a pipeline and carrots a bit different in the fact that we're starting this process a month before um it's lunch. But ideally we would have phase three ish uh at an operable state right now, uh where it would be like the final month. That's kind of executing on the ideas. So we are behind in a sense that this strategy hasn't been utilized like this before, but.

C

I do imagine it.

B

That uh it moves along um where phase two, as I indicated into the graph here, can't be completed until phase one and similarly for phase three phase.

C

One is kind of.

B

Like the, what is the product who's the targeting, uh why is it important to those users phase.

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B

The like okay, we've identified what that is and why we're important: uh how do we communicate what it is that we're trying to get across? What makes us special and then phase three is how do we support that? How do we provide avenues for connection and how do we communicate those ideas and that's, of course, documentation as well and I imagined that those should all be offerable before a lunch? And, of course, this is a slightly different situation. I think there will be some overlap, will be missing. A few things.

B

I think that's, uh of course, something that will happen in the scenario, but.

C

B

I would say: I, disagree and I think it would be good to have as much of this as possible, correct and a place in order.

C

Okay, so you seem to be a little bit too early in doing this. Go to market planning, I guess uh yeah, so will probably huddle up again in uh three to four weeks. No.

A

No, but what I don't think we're too early to have this conversation, but.

A

Like make you, you keep thinking your head about like list of list of actual projects that we'd want to use carrot right. That's you seem to be saying that that's not like coming up with a list of. We already have a list, just everyone using noses chain right like that. We have a list, but we, but we need something to show them right in order to so we either need to do a hypothetical.

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This is what we'd want you to use carrot, V1 for which is related to some of this documentation and stuff. But we have past campaigns. We can show um foreign.

A

Like the the justification of a simple conditional token platform that is using erc20 that allows people to either to yeah to do anything they want with conditional tokens, which we have eight different things you can do with it um and there's not a lot of people doing this, there's only basically Uma and carrot and prediction markets can do this, but they're they're more difficult to do this exam, like that's already Justified, and the idea of like just just simplest thing: smarter farming instead of dumb farming, that's Justified like that! That's already Justified there is no.

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Should we make carrot? Should we make a a a conditional token platform now the question would be: should we do it based on conditional token framework, since we have omen- and the answer is well- no, because we already did it our own. We made a new system to do it.

A

That was a that was a design decision, um and so now we can't take that back, but we're going ahead with the current way that carrot is working. So all of that part of like should DX Dao, make a conditional token platform and why we that's all answered so phase one.

A

Like that's already done phase two we've already started, we've been designing, we have a video, we have a site we have. This is like the nuances of how you would talk about this thing. Why? Oh, we have this cool. The video I think explains it quite well. This is why we made this conditional token platform, because it allows you to do these amazing things for your communities, so that that is already being done and being worked on too.

A

What we then need is the product that we can touch, so we can start making the documentation the videos on how to use it, testing it and then you go to. Then you have DX voice facilitation communities, yeah like if anything where you start we're in almost phase three, we don't have everything from phase two done, but we're in phase three and so I.

A

Don't I don't actually if the thing we're missing in phase two is we need to be able to use the product and touch it and test it so that we can finish phase two and get ready and start using it for phase three so that when like we already have live campaigns when we launch it on Base Four, which are mainly internal campaigns, but we could get some external campaigns too. So I actually don't think we're that far away.

A

If you tell if, if I knew a hundred percent, that this thing was going to be ready and and didn't, have any problems, and it was going to be ready to go on March 1st, like we can still, we can still do that right.

A

That I don't think the timing's that far off.

C

A

Which uh what else are we missing from these these things setting up for if we wanted to launch on March 1st other than we need to? We need to have the product usable, and we know we have to know that it works actually is the key.

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B

I broadly agree with what you're saying I also disagree with the element of like these things being prepared. uh Just for context in this uh plan is in.

C

Order to deliver a go.

B

To market strategy I want that to be a working and visible document at the very minimum between us and the individual teams of the product, um I think uh you're, basically saying like we know what the product strategy is, but we knew what the product strategy was of the Excel and over the last two years we saw that basically amalgamate into not knowing what we're doing at all and everyone having a different idea. It needs to live somewhere.

B

It needs to be written down um in this kind of formal document setting, but I do broadly agree that there probably is a pretty good idea of who we want to Target.

C

It's mainly putting that down somewhere and utilizing.

B

That written content uh to kind of facilitate that distribution. How do we accomplish that goal?

B

um That's kind of my perspective I do agree that broadly we're kind of working through like I said this is a bit um not confusing, but of a different approach, because I feel like this would run through from the beginning of a product life cycle, um but we're kind of been doing pieces of everything um in light of carrots basically becoming a usable product, but.

C

If you, if you wanted to.

B

Put a Target I would say probably working through that distribution strategy. Right now is the area.

A

But, but are you saying that carrot and what we want to do with carrot is getting delayed because the DX dial vision needs to be done first, like in my mind, if the only thing DX Dao did is Carrot, that's still, okay, it would just become like Cara just becomes the focus of DX Dao, but like we can't, we don't want to hold back carrot.

A

um Because we're still defining and Con making more concrete, like Dick's, Television right I.

B

Don't know, that's I, don't think. I said that I just think that the.

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Of carrot needs to be ascertained.

B

Somewhere and written down not- and this has nothing to do with the excel in my eyes- okay,.

C

All right I've got to leave now.

A

Okay, so I think what what Keenan and Banky are looking for. Is this thing that we're working on, which is the carrot, go to market plan.

B

And I think that the facilitation of this is just going to involve a tighter communication loop with um denki and kind of the general care team. So we can get a better understanding of how it works and what we're targeting, which is ideally something that we would have done previously. But um I haven't had such a plan in place previously.

B

um So I think that the next step is just to get our hands on the product as soon as possible, communicate with. Thank you a little bit more actively and kind of guide that distribution strategy over the next couple weeks and then I. Imagine at that point, like you, said we're kind of mix-matching all of this uh this pipeline here, but at that point we'd be pretty good to take a look at documentation and how do we communicate internally and externally and support our users.

A

So so, to kick start that vanky. If you could share from the best of your knowledge, everything and exactly what carrot V1 will do at launch like which chain which oracles.

C

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What's permissionless, what's not yeah and if we need to walk people through it every time to create their campaigns, um that would be helpful to yeah. That's all we need for than basing things off of that, because we don't want to base things off of things. We don't know if they're possible and then, but even like Keenan, the carrot, video that Derek and team has been working on.

A

That's like high level, it's like that's the voice and it it actually sells carrot it just might doesn't it doesn't talk about like which oracles and which chains and the details- that's the stuff, that's more in like some documentation or some how-to videos, but but the brand, like the video of like why carrot exists and what it's for? Why it's for your community, like that, video is almost done right or I saw a draft of it. That's pretty good right, yeah.

B

And I mean that's the other part, and this isn't just in the product strategy side, but what we're doing with the brand and voice? What me and Derek specifically have been working on.

B

It doesn't exist anywhere that it can be read and I think that um there are elements that only we understand, there's elements that uh maybe the care team doesn't understand, or the care team understands differently and the whole point of this delivery is to have a work without basically, this outlines everything I do agree that certain elements of this are further along than this would imply, but for later products when we're when we're thinking about them. I. Imagine that this would kind of go in tandem directly through this order.

A

Sweet all right so veggie. If you get us that in the next week and a half you'll likely have a go to market plan.

C

Stopping the recording I think it's done. Tweet sweet.