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From YouTube: e-NABLE Chapter Leaders Roundtable - July
Description
Video featuring 5 chapters across 4 countries
See archive post for details:
hub.e-nable.org/content/perma?id=44971
The Chapter Leaders Roundtable is a monthly meeting. It is an opportunity for chapters to connect, to share local and regional resources, and to explore some of the challenges and recent developments involved at their sites. With such a diverse and dispersed community, these meetings help teams to align common goals and support each other. Each chapter is the expert of their local region, and has a lot they can teach the larger group!
HUB SPACE:
hub.e-nable.org/s/e-nable-chapter-leaders/
MEETING FULL ARCHIVE:
hub.e-nable.org/content/perma?id=44174
A
Here,
if
we
could
skip
by
here,
maybe
this
would
be
a
good
one
right
in
in
in
our
life,
but
but
still
the
year
happened.
So
so
I
I
believe
there
there
were
many
things
that
that
are
net
positive
after.
B
C
I
discovered
a
journal
today
called
cosmos
with
a
k
and
it's
it's
sort
of
a
journal
for
the
emergence
of
what
some
people
call
the
great
turning
and
some
people
call
the
great
transition
and
some
people
call
the
one
of
the
things
they've
done
is
to
try
to
identify
this
emerging
global.
C
Movement
happening,
which
I
think
is
this
article-
was
written
before
2014,
but
I
hear
a
lot
more
people
talking
about
how
covet
and
the
wildfires
and
other
symptoms
of
climate
change
are
just
making
it
totally
clear
that
the
system
isn't
working
and
it's
time
to
recognize
that
and
think
about
what
the
next
system
will
be-
and
you
know
I
read
that
just
this
morning,
but
I'm
thinking
that
we
really
should
think
about
how
to
affiliate
enable
with
that
larger
movement.
For
a
long
time.
I've
been
thinking
about.
A
D
Think
one
of
the
one
of
the
exciting
things
is
just
the
way
to
me
the
way
people
are
able
to
connect
online
because
it's
not
just
you
know
at
first.
The
internet
was
all
about
accessing
information
right,
but
we've
moved
into
this
phase
where
it's
about
connecting
people
and
that's
what's
exciting
to
me
because
I
you
know
eric
was
mentioning
that
there
were
some
sort
of
positive
side
effects
of
of
the
pandemic.
D
I
don't
know
about
the
rest
of
you,
but
I
feel
like
I'm
closer
to
my
family
than
I
ever
have
been
because
of
our
ongoing
weekly
family.
Zoom
calls-
and
I
I
I
have
you
know-
I'm
very
active
in
the
music
community-
doing
open
mics
and
we
move
those
online,
and
so
now
we
have
people
joining
our
open
mics
from
england
and
from
other
states,
and
you
know
all
over
the
place.
So
it's
just
it's
really
interesting.
The
side
effects
that
have
come
along,
not
all
negative.
C
That's
a
really
interesting
point
about
how
local
is
no
longer
geographically
local
and
it
may
create
an
opportunity
for
more
interconnections
among
these
various
tribes.
A
I
don't
know
if
you,
if
you've
ever
seen,
jason
silva
this
guy.
He
makes
he's
like
a
modern
day
philosopher
or
he
says
it
is
he's
a
pretty
rad
youtube
youtube
guy
and
he
makes
pop
cuz.
I
think,
but
he
he.
A
A
The
perfect
quote,
but-
and
it
was
from
a
really
interesting
video
which
yeah
it's
within
the
line
of
sight
and-
and
this
was
was
a
couple
of
years
ago-
really
five
or
six
years
ago,
but
afterwards
that
was
quoted
a
lot
with
with
concerning
with
vr
right,
where,
where
experiences
using
virtual
reality
would
allow
you
to
not
only
see
pictures
to
have
empathy
or
videos
without
empathy,
but
actually
live
within
the
reality
of
someone
else
and,
and
that
was
before
I
now.
A
A
Is
it
even
a
meeting
and
but
now
is
like
you
can
connect
and,
and
this
this
weekend
from
from,
I
know
if
you
know
patch
adams,
uh-huh,
yes
much
adams
well
from
the
movie
and
and
he
lives
in
chicago
and
and
we've
met
about
seven
years
ago
and
stay
in
contact
and
and
and
his
wife.
She
organized
something
which
was
called
like
the
wormhole
and
it
was
a
24-hour
experience
where
it
was
a
a
a
permanent,
soon
call
where
you
could.
A
There
were
different
talks
and
different
moments
to
share,
but
throughout
a
whole,
24-hour
meeting
right.
So
you
were
connected
with
people
while
you
were,
I
don't
know
preparing
dinner
and
stuff
like
that,
and
the
idea
was
that
never
stop
sharing
like
stay
there.
You
could
be
there
just
like
share
the
moment
of
being
there
and
yeah.
So
so
maybe
the
way
to
feel
connect
is
just
shifting
and
it's
gonna
shift
in
the
next
years.
It's
gonna
be
yeah,
yeah
we're
not
even
even
realizing
what
is
going
to
happen.
A
D
E
Yeah,
it's
just
a
quick
heads
up,
so
I
there
wasn't
an
issue
with
the
invite.
I
guess
it
went
to
last
month's.
So
I
apologize
for
that.
Thanks
for
thanks,
barry
and
robbie
for
for
joining
us,
and
we
are
recording
we're
also
streaming
on
youtube.
E
So
I'll
have
to
keep
an
eye
open
on
comments
for
that.
So
with
us
we
have
eric,
and
earlier
we
had
mateo
looks
like
he
might
have
had
to
drop
out.
Hopefully
he'll
be
back
from
pole,
paraguay,
they
just
finished
their
chapter
spotlight
and
it's
really
impressive
stuff.
So
I'll
share
that
in
the
chat,
if
anybody
hasn't
gotten
a
chance
to
see
it.
E
Yet,
if
anybody
has
any
questions
for
for
eric
and
his
team
I'll
open
the
floor
to
him,
I
know
he
has
a
medical
school
exam
in
a
few
minutes,
so
he's
going
to
have
to
dip
out.
But
it's
wonderful
that
you
could
join
us
from
paraguay.
A
E
So
maybe
we
can
go
around
really
quick
and
introduce
ourselves.
My
name's
ben
I've
been
involved
with
enable
the
last
two
years,
mostly
focusing
on
media
coordination
and
trying
to
help
connect
the
chapters
together
and
I'm
excited
for
this.
This
meeting
will
probably
be
other
people
popping
in
from
my
error,
so
I
apologize
but
I'll
pass
the
the
mic
to
eric.
E
Just
maybe
introduce
yourself
how
long
you've
been
involved
with
enable
and
then
when
you're
done,
maybe
pick
somebody
else
in
the
call
and
they
can
introduce
themselves.
A
Okay,
super
super
super
okay,
I'm
eric
dekas,
I'm
from
asuncion
paraguay
and
I
I
think
the
person
who
introduced
me
to
enable
is
actually
here
who
is,
I
think,
was
jeremy,
simon
or
and
john,
I
think,
was
first
jeremy
or
I
cannot
remember
who
the
other
two
were,
but
I'm
pretty
sure
that
jeremy
was
the
one
that
that
got
us
into
to
3d
printing.
A
But
but
john
was
the
first
person
that
we
were
just
talking
all
the
time
and
and
I
think
it
was
2014
and
and
it
was,
it
was
a
crazy
adventure
because
at
the
beginning
was
it
was
google
plus,
and
it
was
that
google
plus
group,
where
there
was
more
will
and
more
or
a
more
mindset
than
an
actual
path.
But
everything
that
happened
in
that
moment
started
letting
to
people
just
grouping
together
in
a
in
in
a
way
that
was
just.
It
was
just.
A
I
don't
know
kind
of
like
enzymes,
reacting
to
different
different
situations
and
catalyzers
that
just
in
its
randomness
finished
making
something
that
they
were
always
willing
to
do,
and
they
were
planning
to
do
and
it
might
sound
like
it's
entropy.
But
it's
not
it's
it's
it's
more,
it's
more
probability
in
a
way
where
the
situation
and
the
context
is
created,
and
maybe
it's
even
if
even
a
little
bit
guided
crazy
things
happen.
So
that's
about
what
happened
with
us.
A
We
we
had
the
chance
to
be
there
with
fernando
alessa
me
as
a
medical
student.
I
was
in
third
year
of
medical
school
and
fernando
was
finishing
engineering
and
we
both
decided
that
we
wanted
to
do
one
way
or
another
create
something
create
the
3d
printer
prosthetics
that
we
were
seeing.
We
were.
We
were
just
seeing
and
saying
like.
When
is
this
crazy
thing?
A
Gonna
arrive
to
firewire
always
arrives
10
years
later,
and
with
that
price
tag,
huge
price
tag
and,
and
then
we
found
this
group
that
said
no
like,
you
can
create
right
now
and
it's
like
how
3d
printers
I'm
like
how
and
then
jeremy
just
sent
us
like
this
is
like
the
printers
you
need
and
the
the
plastic
you
would
use,
and
after
a
couple
of
months
we
we
arrived
to
from
from.
I
think
we
started
talking
on
july
or
august
and
and
by
november
we
were
printing.
A
Our
first
device,
which
was
the
flexi
hand,
a
modified
flex,
hand
and
and
and
that's
the
device
that
we
that
we
from
steve
wood
from
gyrobot
and
from
his
aka
or
aka
gyro
and
from
that
started
a
crazy
adventure
of
of
years
of
in
the
making.
Where
now
we
have
a
non-profit
that
that's
official
here
in
paraguay
and
that
has
handed
more
than
350
devices.
A
We
have
hands
forearms,
complete
arms
and
we
have
feet.
We
have
legs.
We've
been
working
a
lot
on
a
lot
on
how
to
take
the
devices
to
a
next
step
here
in
our
country,
where
we
we
managed
to
to
do
the
kind
of
regulations.
But
it's
it's
actually
called
recommendation
where,
where
we
we
built
an
independent
advisory
board
or
something
like
that,
our
table,
where
we
discussed
about
with
with
physicians
engineers
with
prostheticians,
where
they
all
try
to
destroy
the
the
3d
printer
prosthetic
idea.
A
And
in
that
way
we
have
to
challenge
those
those
those
challenges
and-
and
we
finished
having
as
open
as
a
recommendation
as
we
could.
So
anyone
can
do
it
but
at
the
same
time
present
a
guideline
for
it
to
be
taught
in
whatever
someone
would
like
to
talk
to
teach
in
schools
and
and
in
medical
school
or
or
in
prosthetic
school.
We
don't
have
it's
more,
it's
more.
A
It's
not
technical,
it's
more
an
apprenticeship
in
here,
but
it
centered
a
precedent
of
the
next
two
to
come,
and
so
we
had
help
from
people
from
germany
that
come
here
and
volunteered
and
so
yeah.
We.
We
went
through
an
interesting
and
interesting
line
of
work
in
this
in
this
years.
A
Jeremy,
simon
is
your
turn
for
or
john
for
for
laughing
too
loud.
A
From
your
muted
microphones,
all.
D
Right
all
right,
you
want
me
to
go
john,
all
right,
so
I'll
I'll,
be
quick.
I'm
jeremy,
simon
long
time,
volunteer.
I
help
a
lot
behind
the
scenes.
I'd
say
my
two
areas
of
focus
are
3d
printing
on
the
one
hand,
and
sort
of
the
business
side
of
things.
D
On
the
other
hand,
I
do
a
lot
of
project
management,
stuff
and-
and
things
like
that,
but
I'm
a
3d
printing
enthusiast
and
through
my
business
3d
universe,
get
to
play
with
a
lot
of
different
machines,
a
lot
of
different
materials
and
I'm
always
available
to
help.
However,
I
can
so
I'll
pass
it
to
you,
john.
C
Yeah,
can
you
hear
me
with
this?
I've
got
a
broken
headset
here,
okay,
so
I'm
co-founder
of
enable
I
crossed
paths
with
eric
in
the
early
days
was
very
impressed
by
his
sort
of
community
financing
model,
which
we
may
talk
about
today
and
cross
paths
again
at
a
singularity
university
event
where,
as
ever,
I
was
sort
of
stunned
to
hear
about
all
the
good
work
they
were
doing
and
now
it's
three
or
four
years
later,
and
it's
still
going.
B
Hell
yeah,
I'm
hi.
I
do
I
do
I'm
chapter
leader
of
enable
lithuania
and
the
soul
developer
on
the
hub
pretty
much
it.
F
Good
afternoon
everybody,
how
are
you
so?
I
am
a
an
engineering
and
robotics
teacher
at
a
private
stem
academy
in
maryville
tennessee,
and
we
started
our
chapter
three
years
ago.
F
Now,
more
or
less
it
was
started
when
I
had
two
freshmen
young
ladies
become
interested
in
the
program,
and
those
two
young,
ladies,
have
now
gone
on
in
the
last
three
years
to
to
size,
print,
assemble
and
personally
deliver
three
arms
to
three
young
people,
and
about
a
week
ago,
while
I
was
traveling
out
west,
I
received
a
message
from
another
lady
locally
who
is
looking
for
a
prosthetic,
for,
I
think,
a
second
grader.
F
F
This
year
and
they've
had
lots
of
opportunities
presented
through
the
enable
program
they're
actually
going
for
their
senior
with
their
senior
projects,
they're
actually
going
to
document
as
best
they
can
all
the
best
practices
and
procedures
that
they
have
learned
throughout
the
years
to
basically
try
to
make
that
program
a
little
more
sustainable.
Here
we
have
some
incoming
freshman
sophomores
that
are
going
to
pick
up
that
torch
and
run
with
it.
F
But
I
I
I
just
want
to
say
from
a
personal
perspective,
seeing
the
impact
not
only
on
the
youth
who
are
receiving
prosthetics,
but
also
you
know
the
impact
on
the
lives
of
these
high
school
kids,
who
are
working
on
this
project
and
delivering
those
prosthetics
and
just
seeing
firsthand.
F
You
know
how
you
can
change
lives
has
been
really
really
special,
so
we're
excited
about
continuing
to
work
in
the
program
and
excited
to
to
have
sort
of
some
organization.
You
know
some
folks
that
that
you
know
I
was
excited
to
see
the
roundtable
meeting
start
and
just
some
opportunities
for
some
networking
within
the
program,
hopefully
so
that
we
can
continue
to
to
grow
that
opportunity
here
at
our
school
as
part
of
our
educational
platform.
G
Oh
great,
my
name
is
robbie
o'connor
and
I'm
the
chairman
of
the
3d
assist
group,
which
is
the
irish
chapter
of
enable
and
we've
been
going
since
about
2015,
and
we
have
about
we're
based
in
the
technological
university
of
dublin.
G
There's
we
have
about
six
or
so
staff
permanent
staff,
and
we
cycle,
maybe
a
dozen
or
so
students
through
every
year.
We
try
to
avoid
finding
our
students
and
get
all
our
first
year
and
second
year
enthusiastic
ones
as
opposed
to
the
ones
who
are
just
hanging
on
with
the
the
the
bear
skin
of
the
piste
coming
into
our
final
years
and
we're
a
registered
charity
in
ireland
and
and
we're
also
unusually
we're
we're
we're
actually
a
registered
medical
device
manufacturer
within.
G
G
So
we
we
we've
issued
maybe
70
or
100
1000
at
this
stage,
as
as
these
all
know,
well
how
it
works
other
than
that
we've
ordered
links
with
national
groups
like
child
vision,
which
is
the
national
charity
that
looks
after
kids,
who
are
visually
impaired
and
have
some
other
kind
of
links
with
other
children's
hospices
and
stuff
like
this
as
well.
G
We
probably
have
a
different,
slightly
different
model
that
has
been
imposed
on
us
compared
to
ourselves
in
that
our
national
orthopaedic
hospital
sends
kids
to
us.
So
we
have
a
constant
stream
of
kids,
so
we
we've
been
busy,
you
know,
but
other
than
that
yeah,
it's
all
good.
It's
all
great
thanks!
I
think
that's
everybody.
E
Thank
you,
so
I've
been
adding
some
links
in
the
chat,
there's
a
link
also
to
the
po
paraguay
new
chapter
spotlight
and
there's
some
questions.
It
sounds
like
jeremy's
interested
in
following
up
at
some
point
about
the
process
in
ireland
and
there's
some
questions
about
po
paraguay.
E
So,
let's
see
where
would
be
the
the
best
place
to
start,
maybe
because
the
time
is
limited
with
eric.
Let's
see,
there's
a
question
about
the
lower
limb
work
that
you're
doing
in
paraguay
and
we've
had
some
comments
recently,
some
posts
in
the
hub
people
that
are
interested
and
there's
only
a
few
chapters
that
I
think
have
really
put
in
significant
efforts
in
that
direction
and
you
guys
have
really
done
some
incredible
work.
E
So
maybe
you
can
share
how
expensive
of
a
process
it
was
a
whole
year
just
to
get
the
first
device.
A
The
besides,
the
the
research
part
be
kind
of
what
this
is
all
about,
right
and-
and
we
have
the
constant
struggle
of
of
dedicating
our
the
funds
of
of
our
donors
to
generating
more
knowledge
or
generating
the
impact
that
usually
they
want
to
see
so
that
year
we
we
invested
about
one
year
of
of
industrial
designer,
that's
currently
working
on
germany.
He
finished
the
university
in
germany.
A
He
was
a
volunteer
with
us
and
I
think
in
2016,
then
he
went
and
finished
his
studies
in
germany
and
came
back
and,
and
he
worked,
he
was.
He
started
first
with
with
devices
from
several
amputations
like
sievert
or
chopard,
which
are
more
like
feet,
amputations
and
they
were
good,
but
they
were,
they
were
not
the
usually
the
the
most
most,
the
most,
the
ones
that
generated
the
most
disabilities.
A
Within
the
the
usage
we
had
and
most
of
our
users
had
the
transtable
amputations
so
below
knee
amputees,
so
he
dedicated
his
work
in
developing
the
the
the
socket
that
we
had
to
manufacture
and
feed.
Was
we
tried
to
divide
in
three
and
three
steps
right
which
were
socket
then
the
feet
and
afterwards
the
the
pilon,
the?
I
don't
know
how
you
call
the
tube
in
english
yeah.
A
Oh,
it's
called
pylon
thailand
yeah
in
spanish
pilon,
so
it's
pylon
and
and
fun.
It
was
fun
funny
because
we,
the
pylon,
was
the
last
part.
What
was
the
first
part
that
we
managed
to
manufacture
here
we
had
we
had
yeah
a
place
that
we
the
metal
work.
We
we
did.
A
We
we
just
redesigned
the
the
device,
so
it
would
fit
what
we
thought
that
the
lower
part
of
the
socket
would
be
and
the
upper
part
of
the
of
the
feet
would
be
and
and
and
they
could
make
it-
and
we
could
make
it
out
here
for
about.
I
know
it's
like
forty
dollars
or
fifty
dollars
and
it's
super
nice
still
and
and
and
it
works
great,
it's
super
useful.
So
from
the
last
prior
pylon,
we
thought
it
was
gonna,
be
the
hardest
part.
A
It
was
the
easiest
part
because
in
industrial
he
was
easily
done
right
and
afterwards
we
said:
okay,
the
feed
is
usually
one
that
it's
more
streamlined
in
production
anywhere.
So
we
said:
okay,
let's
buy
the
feed
from
from
a
provider
and
and
make
the
variables
of
research
less
and
less.
So
if
something
is
failing,
it's
probably
going
to
be
the
new
part,
which
is
the
socket
right.
So
we
started
to
doing
the
socket
and-
and
we
said,
okay-
let's
try
to
do
it
as
as
replicable
as
possible.
A
So
we
tried
to
do
first
with
measurements.
It
was
really
hard
with
only
measurements.
We
do
with
3d
printers
and
it
was
really
hard
to
do
3d
printing.
So
we
we.
What
we
try
to
do
is
use
several
traditional
techniques
and
new
techniques,
but
the
so
we
used
sometimes
plaster.
A
Sometimes
we
did
the
we
used
3d
3d
scanning
with
the
kinect,
and
it
still
works
great
with
a
little
bit
of
retouching.
You
can
do
great
stuff,
I'm
comparing
it
with
the
with
the
measurements
you
could
get
physically.
It
works.
You
can
do
really
really
nice
things,
so
we
started
doing
it
only
3d
printing
at
first
with
pla,
then
we
tried
pg,
but
we
still
thought
that
for
the
well
okay,
we
had
to
build
a
new
3d
printer
that
could
fit
the
socket
afterwards.
A
We
just
bought
a
bigger
one
than
we
did
in
two
parts.
Crazy
amount
of
work
had
to
be
done
with
that,
but
at
the
end
we
we
felt
that
it
was
just
keeping
ourselves
again
in
3d
printing
as
the
only
way
that
it
could
work.
It
was
limiting
the
the
strength
capacities
of
what
we
could
do.
So
we
start
working
with
lamination,
so
we
used
fiberglass
lamination
from
a
guy
that
worked
doing.
A
I
don't
know
like
rc
cars
lamination,
I'm
not
sure
what
he
did,
but
it
was
like
something
like
that
and
we're
still
working
with
them
and-
and
it
works
great,
so
you
do
the
3d
printing
with
pla
and
then
you
you
try
it
on
the
on
the
user.
It's
everything
fit.
If
you
need
to
move
some
things,
you
can
thermoform
it
a
bit
and
then
you
send
it
to
lamination
and
it's
done
and
it's
a
couple
of
lamination
and
it's
pretty
cheap.
D
A
Nope
nope
nothing
besides
the
pylon,
which
is
the
only
metal
component,
nothing,
it's
just
the
house,
well,
what
we
usually
do
and
because
we,
since
we
don't
have
the
the
way
to
do
the
the
vacuum
for
the
leg,
we
usually
use
another
external
leg,
external
leg.
Usually
it's
more
like
a
joint,
not
fairly.
I
don't
know
how
you
call
it.
Those
like
blue
things
that
you
use
when
you
have
like
me
like
me,
hurts
I.
I
cannot
remember
the
name
of
those.
D
C
D
A
Steel,
so
it's
carbon
steel
is
probably
less
than
20
10
20,
so
it's
not
nothing
expensive
or
anything.
It's
since
the
the
the
actual
first
is
really
is
really
robust.
The
connections
are
really
good.
If
you
have,
if
you
have
real
good
alignment,
you
have
to
do
the
whole
process
during
the
the
fitting,
and
if
you
have
the
proper
alignment,
we've
never
had
a
a
leg
that
that
broke
because
of
of
something
going
wrong
with
the
pylon
one
time
we
we
had
a
situation.
A
We
usually
have
like
trial
users
where,
where
they
are
close
to
us
and
they're,
more
familiar
they're,
not
they're,
not
just
a
person
that
walks
in,
and
I
want
a
leg
right.
It's
it's
more.
We
talk
together
and
we
say
we
develop
this
part
of
the
feet.
So
the
the
only
part
that
that
is
used
to
get
broken
is
something
when
we
try
there's
a
knob
that
connects
with
the
feet
and
that
knob,
usually
when
it's
not
properly
aligned,
it
twists
twists
twists
it
back
and
in
a
moment
it's
just
breaks.
A
The
feet
breaks
the
knob
and-
and
it's
probably
because
of
the
quality
of
the
steel
too,
and
and
and
and
and
we
never
know
what
the
user
is
doing
it
right
with
it
so
and
usually
they're
just
sitting
down
right
or
or
I
just
was
walking
and
and
something
happened
you
know.
A
E
I
was
going
to
say
to
add
to
what
eric's
saying
in
the
spotlight
he
talks
about.
They
chose
10
users
with
three
different
amputation
levels
in
the
beginning
to
test
the
prototype.
So
there
was
this
whole
process
and
it
sounds
like
today.
You
guys
have
a
high
percentage
of
people
that
use
the
lower
limb
devices.
If
you
had
a
guess
of
of
your
annual
device
users,
how
many
are
lower
limb
these
days,
I
I.
A
Think
now
now
it's
60
40,
maybe
within
like
the
thing,
is
that
that
usually
usually
the
lower
limb,
lower
limb
amputees
are
well.
What
we
found
is
that
the
person
that's
looking
for
for
advice
is
usually
the
person
that
that
had
a
traumatic
accident
right,
it's
usually
the
person
that
was
born
with
it
without
without
a
hand
or
an
arm
or
a
leg.
They
have
their
at
least
here
in
in
a
country
they
they
are,
they
have
adapted
and
they
they
live
their
lives
as
they
want.
A
So
the
device
is
more
more
more
a
personal
desire
than
a
need
in
in
many
ways,
and
so
usually
what
happens
with
again
within
the
first
people
that
have
a
traumatic
experience
like
a
trauma
and
upper
or
lower
the
upper
limbs
usually
adapt
to
to
the
daily
life
activities
faster,
but
the
the
people
who
have
a
lower
limb
amputation.
A
They
feel
that
they
cannot
move
here
in
public
transport.
They
cannot
be
independent
in
their
house,
do
the
chores
and,
and
and
it's
and
it's
a
bigger
thing
here.
Practicality
is
a
lot
higher
on
the
on
the
on
the
spectrum
of
need
than
than
aesthetics
or
or
or
something
like
that.
People
yeah.
D
D
I
can
hear
you,
okay,
we
were
getting
some
lag
there.
I
I
wanted
to
ask
there:
you
go
in
the
here
I'll
turn
mine
off
too
in
the
united
states.
You
know
we've
all
at
least
so
far.
We
have
not
really
most
of
us
that
I'm
aware
of
have
not
really
delved
into
lower
limbs
and
at
least
a
large
part
of
the
reason
has
to
do
with
the
kind
of
the
the
risk
sensitivities,
because
in
our
country
people
love
to
start
lawsuits
and
we're
concerned
about
you
know.
D
If
a
lower
limb
was
to
break
and
somebody
gets
hurt,
would
somebody
get
sued?
Are
there
any
concerns
like
that
in
paraguay?
What's
the
environment
like
there.
A
A
Yes,
sadly,
that
that's
the
reality
that
there's
a
whole
there's
a
I
I
I
think
it
there's
a
good
thing
that
you
have
your
legal
protection
within
everything
you
do,
but
at
the
same
time
a
lot
a
lot
of
those
things
just
just
make
you
scared
before
you
can
innovate
and
and
create
new
things
and
and
and
and
and
as
we
always
said,
within
poets,
we
here
by
our
situation
with
lawsuits,
is
super
low.
A
It's
it's
getting
bigger
with
medical
things,
but
medical
devices
are
so
low,
so
low
regulated
that
we
never
had
a
standard
to
to
live
up
to
or
or
regulations
to
live
up
to.
But
that
didn't
mean
that
we
didn't
have
the
standards
that
we
set
ourselves
that
were
higher
than
the
ones
we
saw
anywhere
in
the
world,
with
the
prosthetics,
how
these
three
different,
prosthetics
and
and
always
having
the
the
the
complete
knowledge
for
our
users
that
what
we
were
doing
right.
It's.
A
It's
it's
something:
it's
a
prototype,
it's
not
prototype,
it's
experimental
and
we
you
have
a
full
guarantee
that
something
happens.
We
will
help
you
with
it
and
we
will
get
your
device
and
help
you
with
it
and
and
we
have
all
the
legal
recourse
that
we
use
in
order
to
protect
ourselves,
but
at
the
same
time
guarantee
them
that
we're
not
giving
them
whatever
we
mean.
D
So
that's
interesting,
so
so
you
in
paraguay,
it
sounds
like
you're
presenting
these
as
experimental
devices.
Much
like
we
do
here
in
the
us,
that's
exactly
how
we
describe
them
so
that
they're
not
formally
classified
as
medical
devices,
they're
considered
experimental
devices
sounds
like
that's
a
difference
in
ireland
where
they
are
specifically
certified
to
produce
medical
devices.
So
it's
an
interesting
difference
there
and
how
these
are
how
these
are
considered
and
the
protections
that
are
offered.
I
mean
well.
C
And
here
in
the
states
the
fda
says:
these
are,
of
course,
medical
devices
and
by
the
way,
in
response
to
enable
they've,
given
us
guidance
that
says,
don't
do
lower
limbs.
However,
I
think
this
pla
plus
fiberglass,
is
a
really
interesting
technique
to
think
about,
because
it
might
be
a
way
well.
D
A
A
Usually
the
the
the
the
like
the
hardest
part
to
to
to
validate
as
a
as
a
something
that
functions
is
the
interface
between
the
body
and.
D
A
We
did
works
with
kansas
state
university.
There
was
actually
I'm
not
sure
it
was
a
phd
student
that
was
working
with
us.
I
can,
I
think,
ben
has
the
study
in
the
yeah.
So
we
did
that,
but
we
tried
it
here
and
we
still
had
better
better
outcomes
with
the
with
the
commercial
one
and
it's
it
was
yeah.
It
worked
better
with
the
power.
A
Yeah
yeah,
it's
a
commercial
food,
but
it's
super
standard
yeah.
It's
done.
We
also
had
had
a
donation
from
like
a
bunch
of
feet
that
were
just
discarded
and
but
was
discarded,
because
I
think
not
even
this
kind,
they
were,
they
were
stop
using
from
a
non-profit
somewhere.
A
I
cannot
even
it
wasn't
from
the
us,
but
they
didn't
use
that
because
they
closed
it
and
they
brought
it
here,
and
so
we
a
lot
of
the
of
the
fee
we
we
have
are
from
there,
so
we
are
still
using
those
until
we
have
a
proper,
a
proper
feed
developed,
yeah.
E
E
Chat
of
link
to
a
photo,
it's
also
the
chapter
spotlight,
but
just
if
anybody's
curious,
there's
a
I
apologize,
it's
a
really
long,
facebook
link,
but
that's
what
that
is
so
so
yeah.
C
John,
I'm
sorry,
while
we're
on
the
technology
of
your
lower
limb,
prosthetic
this
notion
of
using
3d
printing
in
pla
for
iterative
fitting
and
then
wrapping
it
with
fiberglass
is
a
new
idea
to
me.
Is
that
new
to
you
or
is
that
a
standard
practice
among
prosthetists.
A
It's
for
us
for
me
the
question.
Yes,
no,
no,
it's
it's
it's!
What's
a
new
thing:
yeah
yeah!
No!
No!
No!
We!
We
usually
came
up
with
that
yeah.
They
used
thermoplastic
either
thermoplastic
they
do
the
casting
and
then
they
use
a
thermoplastic
with
a
vacuum
machine
that
makes
the
the
whole
socket.
And
then
you
have
to
do
a
bunch
of
of
of
trimming
of
the
of
the
of
the
of
the
thermoplastic
you're
using.
But
it's
not
like
3d
printing
with
pla.
It
was
a
new
approach
that
there
so.
D
How
do
you,
how
do
you
apply
the
the
the
fiber
sort
of
layers?
Is
it
like
with
a
heat
gun?
Are
you
how
exactly
are
you
putting
it
on
there.
A
We
we
actually
have
another
person
doing
that.
So
it's
not
yeah
yeah,
we
it's
it's,
it's
a
guy
that
actually
he
he
he
fiberglasses.
D
A
C
That's
huge:
have
you
documented
this
process.
D
D
E
Robbie
commented
that
the
situation
with
litigation
in
the
eu
is
a
real
problem.
Have
there
been
any
issues
in
paraguay
related
to
that
I
mean.
I
know
that
you
guys
have
a
public
health
care
system
which
is
different
than
the
us,
but
maybe
similar
to
what
robbie
o'connor
is
working
with
I'm
curious,
your
relationship
with
medical
health
care
system.
I
mean
in
a
few
minutes,
you're
gonna
have
an
exam
related.
A
E
A
So
yeah,
no,
no,
we
we
never
had
a
a
lawsuit
here
in
all
our
years,
with
good
and
bad
experiences.
We've
never
had
it.
We
had.
We
had
situations
where
maybe
a
hand
would
break
or
or
a
lower
limb
would
break.
It
was
not
catastrophic
right.
Usually
when
you
have
a
catastrophic
event.
Maybe
that's
that's
more,
I
think,
but
at
least
our
devices
were
more
a
progressive
way
moment
and
I'm
pretty
sure,
I'm
pretty
sure
that
the
ones
that
got
the
device
broken
first.
A
They
were
part
of
our
of
our
first
group
that
they
knew
that
they
had
to
try
it
and
and-
and
they
knew
that
that
we
were
working
with
them
for
that
and
they
were
doing
crazy
things
too.
So
it
was
not
we
we
all.
We
also
saved
both
with
upper
upper
limbs
and
lower
limbs.
We
say
what
they
can
do
with
it
and
and
we
we
make
them
sign
it.
So
it's
like
we,
you
cannot.
You
cannot
use
machinery,
you
cannot
do
lift
heavy
things.
A
You
cannot
do
with
things
that
could
harm
you
and
stuff
like
that,
but
then,
after
they
get
their
leg,
they
get
to
a
motorbike
and
ride
home
and
they
send
us
a
picture.
I
don't
know
going
up
a
stair
with
with
an
air
conditioner
on
their
shoulder
up
some
stairs.
No,
but
not
like
stairs
they're
like
stairs.
I
don't
know
what
the
difference
but
like
the
stairs
that
you
put
to
a
wall
and
then
take
the
air
conditioner
with
you.
A
A
And
I
get
away
with
you
know:
yeah
they
do
and
and
and
but
I
think
and
it's
the
same
thing
with
with
medicine
too
and
and
with
with
doctors.
The
the
main
way
that
you
could
avoid
a
lawsuit
is
by
having
the
proper
communicate
check
communication
with
your
patient
and
it's
it
sounds
stupid.
It
sounds
simple.
It
sounds.
B
A
If
someone
wants
to
sue
you,
then
they'll
find
a
way
to
do
it.
You
win
or
you
lose,
but
if
they
don't
want
to
sue
you,
usually
they
don't
understand
what
happened
or,
and
they
don't
have
a
response
or
whatever
that.
So
I
believe
that,
having,
as
we
always
say,
being
being
being
one-on-one
talking
with
them
all
the
time
through,
what's
up
face
with
whatever
they
need
and
having
a
dedicated
person.
For
that,
that's
that's
yeah!
A
A
H
E
And
congratulations
on
the
new
chapter
spotlight
and
good
luck.
You
left
medical
school
to
chase
after
this
whole
adventure
with
the
enable
and
now
you're
coming
back
around
full
circle,
so
we're
honored
that
you're
you're,
a
part
of
the
team
and
the
community
super.
A
E
E
And
the
rest
of
us
will
continue
on
robbie
and
barry.
We
can.
D
G
And
we're
subject
to
the
eu
regulations
and
the
definition
of
a
medical
device
in
the
eu,
for
some
reason
is
different
as
it
would
be
in
the
states.
So
they
have,
the
legislation
is
written
brilliantly
and
then
it
catches
everything.
So
at
the
best
analogy
I
heard
was
the
you
know:
the
lollipop
stick
is
a
lollipop
stick
until
the
doctor
sticks
it
in
your
mouth
and
then
it's
a
medical
device.
G
So
this
is
how
so,
if
it
has
a
function,
that's
anyway
related
to
medical
use,
it's
a
medical
device,
so
we
we
were
audited
by
our
national,
the
health
products
regulatory
authority.
So
it
was
a
bit
stressful
at
the
time
they
came
in
to
say
and
they're
great,
they
were
lovely
and
they
sat
down
with
us.
They
explained
everything
that
they
have
a
role
which
they
have
to
monitor
the
activity
in
the
country,
and
so
we
in
ireland
we
have
a
very
large
medical
device
industry,
surprisingly
large
for
our
five
million
or
so
people.
G
We,
I
think
we
make
a
ridiculous
proportion
of
the
amount
of
stents
and
hip
replacements
in
on
the
planet,
never
mind
just
in
europe.
So
so
what
what
we
did
was
we
argued
the
if
they're
experimental
that
doesn't
really
work.
We
argued
that
they
were
a
functional
toy,
that
it
was.
It
was
about
children's
self-esteem
and
they
were
open
to
that
argument,
but
they
they
knew
they
were
just
yeah.
G
G
The
last
step
is,
is
effectively
setting
up
a
private
company
and
making
these
things,
and
so
what
we
did
was
now
it
took
us
the
best
part
of
the
year.
We
took
the
the
some
of
the
designs
we
we
went
through
the
ce
marking
procedure,
as
a
private
company
will
do
so.
We
documented
everything
we
did
full
risk
assessments,
it's
just
it's
not
particularly
it's
not
particularly
difficult.
It
is
difficult,
it's
just
slow,
you
know,
and
so
we
we
then
had
we
weren't
a
legal
entity.
G
So
we
to
become
a
legal
entity.
We
had
to
settle
as
a
charity
and
there's
a
national
charity
regulator
in
the
country.
So
we
went
through
that
process
we
registered
as
a
medical
device
manufacturer,
and
then
we
developed
all
the
documentation
to
effectively
see
e-mark
the
devices
that
we
hand
out
and
now
the
difficulty
is
the
whole
litigation
stuff
that,
once
you
do,
that
you're
you're
fully
liable
for
everything.
F
G
We
do
get
the
parents
to
sign
off
now,
our
our
clientele,
our
recipients,
are
probably
predominantly
children
as
the
vast
vast
majority
of
children
between
the
ages
of
maybe
three
two,
maybe
thirty
and
fourteen-
and
what
happens
is
the
the
kids
are
entitled
to
full
commercial
prosthetics
under
our
national
health
service,
but
up
until
the
14
14
year
olds,
they
get
the
the
big
silicone
aesthetic
functionless
hand
which
the
children
won't
wear.
G
So
it's
really
only
when
they
get
to
about
14
14
or
so
when,
when
the
the
prosthesis
think
that
the
child
has
stopped
growing,
they
get
the
carbon
fiber.
You
know
arm
with
the
the
autobot
stuff,
which
is
great,
so
we
really
fill
that
gap.
So
it's
the
gap
between.
D
D
Just
because
we
have
a
few
before
we
lose
barry
here
I
don't
know
we
have
a
few
kind
of
different
chapter
leaders
from
different
regions.
Is
anybody
here
aware
of
any
kind
of
litigation
ever
related
to
enable?
Because
I'm
not?
I
just
want
to
know
if
anybody
here
has
ever
heard
of
anything
happening?
D
F
I
have
not
I
mean
again,
my
my
involvement
has
been
obviously
is
a
small
chapter
providing
prosthetics
and
what
I
was
just
cheering
in
the
in
the
chat
when
we
talk
with
parents
and
when
we
talk
with
others
about
the
work
we're
doing
here
being
an
at
a
school,
you
know
with
a
and
our
school
is
very
unique
in
terms
of
our
educational
model,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
talk
about
with
providing
prosthetics
for
particularly
adolescents,
is
the
opportunity
to
form
those
those
patterns
in
the
brain
that
prepare
them
for
using
you
know,
for
being,
you
know
for
having
both
arms
or
both
hands
at
some
point
in
the
future,
and
if
they
miss
that
critical
period
of
time,
when
you
know
the
brain
is
forming
those
patterns,
it's
much
more
difficult.
F
You
know
later
in
life,
as
an
adult,
in
particular
to
you
know,
to
basically
go
back
and
form
those
patterns.
F
So
we
make
it
very
clear
that
we,
our
intent,
is
not
to
provide
necessarily
a
medical
grade
prosthetic,
but
a
prosthetic
that
gives
that
youth
the
opportunity
to
to
start
to
form
those
those
brain
based
patterns
that
are
really
key
and-
and
you
know,
I've
I've
seen.
You
know
the
second
young
man
that
we
handed
an
arm
off
to
came
to
our
school
and
he
was
throwing
a
ball
with
his
prosthetic
within
an
hour.
D
See,
that's
a
that's
a
really
nice
way
of
presenting
it,
not
only
because
I
just
I
like
thinking
of
it
that
way
better
than
thinking
of
it
as
a
toy,
but
it
also
encourages
the
use
of
the
device
because,
when
the
user
thinks
of
it,
that
way,
it's
going
to
encourage
them
to
use
it
more
often
because
they
kind
of
feel
like
they're
training,
their
brain.
You
know.
That's!
I
really
like
that.
E
Yeah
I
added
in
the
chat.
There
was
a
really
great
video
that
pope
paraguay
put
together
as
part
of
this
campaign
with
musical
adapters
I'll
share
my
skin
screen
really
briefly,
but
they
they
highlighted
the
brain
development
and
and
the
the
role
of
music
and
and
worked
through
how
the
adapter
was
sort
of
a
learning
opportunity.
F
Unfortunately,
I
have
to
go.
This
is
our
first
day
back
on
campus.
I
have
to
go
to
a
faculty
meeting,
so
it
has
been
great
getting
to
see
you
guys,
yeah.
I
look
forward
to
following
up
with
you,
john
and
and
ben
about
the
opportunity
to
sort
of
be
ambassadors
mentors
or
something
with
some
other
high
schools.
So
thank
you
guys
again
for
all
the
work
that
you
do.
That
makes
it
possible
for
us
to
do
what
we
do
here.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
G
That
point
just
to
show
just
to
give
you
some
indication
of
the
situation
we
have
in
the
eu.
The
health
products
regulatory
authority
also
covers
educational
devices,
so
that
doesn't.
D
G
It
they
were
excellent,
they
really
were
and
to
be
fair.
They
their
website
includes
guides
of
how
to
go
through
the
process
right
down
to
how
to
certify
everything
like
that
how
to
register
it's
an
excellent
website.
The
eu
again,
the
eu
regulations,
insist
that
everything
is
publicly
accessible.
G
So
in
theory,
if
we
had
an
issue
with
one
of
the
devices
and
we
needed
to
recall,
it
would
go
up
on
their
website,
so
it
they
really
wanted
to
be,
they
were
excellent
and
they
they
were
very.
They
were
very
pointless
because
we
were
quite
intimidated,
but
it
was
for
them
and
they
no,
they
said,
no
listen.
We
think
this
is
brilliant.
This
is
great
stuff.
They
appreciated.
The
fact
which
I
thought
was
great
was
that
the
model
was
new
and
that
they
were
saying
now
hang
on.
G
We
need
to
get
our
heads
around
this.
The
3d
printed
people
printing
their
own
medical
devices-
and
you
know
this
is
something
that
our
system
isn't
necessarily
geared
up
for,
so
they
they
could
see
this
as
something
that
they
had
to
learn
from
as
well.
So.
C
And
robbie
in
our
country,
many
of
the
professional
prosthetists
are
frankly
hostile
to
what
we're
doing
both,
because
what
we
do
is
that
lower
physical
quality
and
because
it,
the
publicity
we
have
allowed
through
and
the
the
press
reports,
give
the
impression
that
we
devalue
what
the
processes
do,
which
we
don't
by
the
way.
But
how
are
your
relationships
with
the
professional
prosthetists.
G
They're
excellent,
we
again,
you
see
we're
probably
very
lucky
in
that
it's
a
small
country,
there's
only
you
know
five
million
of
us.
We
have
one
national
or
well,
it's
not
so
much
an
orthopedic
hospital,
we're
kind
of
spread
all
over
the
place,
but
we
had
this
one
place
where
they
did.
They
make
the
the
prosthetics
and
it's
it's
run
by
ottobock,
effectively
run
that
that
clinic
and
the
the
prosthesis
in
there
are
very
open
to
sending
the
children
to
us.
So
what
happened?
G
And
it's
basic
you
can
imagine
the
scenario
you
know
the
child
comes
in
at
two
or
three:
the
option
available
isn't
necessarily
the
optimum
and
they
say
well,
here,
hang
on,
go
talk
to
the
guys
and
through
the
assist
they'll
make
you
a
hand
and
then-
and
you
know
they-
they
know
they're-
going
to
see
that
child
back
when
the
child
is
12,
13,
14
or
whatever.
So
that's
true,
it's
nice
and
we've
been
involved
one
or
two
other
kind
of
one-off
projects
with
the
guys
in
kappa
hospital.
G
So
they
seem
to
they're
very,
very
open
to
the
relationship
because
it's
it's
kind
of
win-win.
Nobody
wants
to
see
a
child
leaving
with.
B
G
C
D
G
G
C
To
your
point,
it's
quite
possible
that
the
fda
in
the
united
states
would
be
supportive
if
there
was
someone
in
enable-
and
I
don't
think
it's
you
or
me-
and
I
don't
know
who
it
is,
who
was
willing
to
go
through
the
whole
drill.
They
have
said
that
to
us
that
it's
not
that
hard,
etc,
etc.
D
Well,
here's
the
problem,
as
I
recall
it
and
I
might
be
off
on
this,
but
I
thought
that
the
way
the
fda
does
it
in
our
country
is
that
they're
not
just
reviewing
the
device
or
the
product
but
they're
reviewing
the
production
facilities
and
process
and
everything,
and
we
can't
guarantee
the
kind
of
consistency
they're
looking
for,
because
it
could
be
happening
in
anybody's
home
on
any
kind
of
3d
printer
that
we
don't
have
control
over,
and
I
thought
that
was
an
issue.
B
D
D
They
seem
to
be
very
forward
thinking,
which
is
wonderful.
I
mean
I
don't
I.
I
don't
know
that
folks
in
our
country
tend
to
be
as
good
about
embracing
the
inevitable
forthcoming
technological
shifts,
but
maybe
you
might
be
it
might
be
worth
the
discussion.
John
yeah.
E
You
know
robbie
did
say
that
it
was
device
users
potentially
printing
their
own.
So
that
perspective,
I
think
you
know
whether
it's
somebody,
that's
helping.
You
know
providing
sort
of
services
to
help
a
sort
of
a
client.
G
So,
whereas
I
know
I've
worked
abroad
in
the
eu
and
culturally,
even
in
into
the
uk,
it
would
be
different.
G
D
G
Would
have
been
the
same
pre-brexit
the
difficult
I
know
you
can
see
some
of
the
comments
from
asking
about
the
the
system.
Is
it's
all
self-regulation
effectively,
you
you
declare
yourself
or
you
as
a
medical
device,
manufacturer
and
then
you're,
subject
to
all
the
regulations
that
come
with
them.
Every
device
you
produce
has
to
be
ce
marked,
which
means
you
have
to
have
all
the
technical
documentation,
risk
assessment
and
all
that
sort
of
stuff
done
for
each
one
of
those
devices
so
and.
G
It
would
could
be
the
individual
okay,
that's
you
you're
you're
liable,
then,
for
any,
you
know
subsequent
litigation.
So
it's
it's
that's
and
that's
how
the
ce
marking
system
would
work
that
you
it's
it's
at
class,
one
medical
devices
which
which
our
devices
are.
There
is
no
overarching
monitoring
group.
G
B
G
Just
one
we
we
just
basically
certified
the
unlimited
arm
so
and
it's
in
fairness,
the
certification
itself.
Isn't
that
significant?
We
did
some
stress
analysis.
You
know
with
student
projects,
but
it
largely
down
to
a
it's
a
it's,
a
risky
assessment
that
involves
about
40
or
so
questions
that
you
have
to
go
through
and
it's
really
about
good
design
and
not
doing
anything
silly
with
them.
You
know
that
way.
It's.
G
Its
own,
it's
it's
effectively
us
as
an
entity
certifying
the
product
that
we
handed
out
so
yeah
it
doesn't.
You
know,
I
know
what
you
mean.
It
doesn't
move
with
the
design.
Now
I
can
send
you
over
our
technical
file
and
you
can
change
any
reference
to
3d
assist
to
your
group
and,
if
you're
happy
to
use
that
as
your
documentation
that
I
wouldn't
say
that
would
be
fine.
F
G
D
G
G
Of
questions,
okay,
it's
all
on
the
website.
It's
it's!
It
really
is
brilliant!
It's
it's
once
you
dre
thread
through
once
you
walk
your
way
through
it.
It's
not
too
bad.
Now
that
there
are
some
other
issues
that
were
we're,
worried
about
coming
down
the
line
and
that
the
new
medical
device
regulations
specify
you
have
to
have
a
quality
assurance
standard
within
the
now
we'd
have
the
internet,
iso
9000
or
is
13485,
which
is
the
medical
device
quality
standard,
and
you
said
that's
forthcoming
at
the
new
yeah.
G
D
G
G
Facility,
no,
we
we
might.
We
might
do
that.
You
know
because
it'd
be
a
great
exercise
for
for
a
student
body
to
do
to
set
up
a
proper
and
one
of
the
other
things
that
we've
been
really
really
fortunate,
because
a
lot
of
our
graduates
would
have
gone
into
the
medical
device
manufacturing
in
ireland.
We
were
able,
but
we
don't
have
to
make
too
many
phone
calls
to
find
out.
How
does
this
work
so
that
might
be
a
route
it's
I
know.
G
G
So
it's
it's
again,
it's
an
unfortunate
kind
of
thing,
but
and
it's
it's
a
secondary,
which
really
makes
it
unfortunate.
Another
way
that
it's
we'd
be
the
biggest
obstacle
would
be
our
non-validated
quality
assurance
thing,
because
it's
it's
a
it's
a
system
that
students
they're
not
looking
at
the
device
at
all.
You
know.
G
No,
but
we
it
effectively
what
you're
doing
is
no,
no
you
just
it's
the
fundamental
questions
about
the
design
function
and
we
did
some
strength
testing
some.
G
We
did
some
stress
analysis
but
again
we're
again
and
it's
very
important
we're
giving
this
to
a
child
who's
going
to
do
nothing
more
than
pick
up
a
small
ball,
but
it's
not
being
given
to
an
adult
who
might
climb
a
ladder
like
eric's
friend
with
the
air
conditioner
on
the
shoulder
that
doesn't
happen
so
and
we
send
it
with
full.
You
know
instructions
and
all
that
stuff.
So,
but
it's
it's!
It's
not.
D
G
D
So
this
is
unique
to
ireland.
It
sounds
like
because
you
guys
are
really
focused
on
the
younger
folks
and
then
autobahn
ottobock
through
that
facility
is
pretty
much
handling
all
the
adult
prosthetic
needs
in
the
country
right.
G
Yeah
exactly
yeah,
so
we've
had
we,
we
made
the
guitar
adapter
for
an
autobuck
for
one
of
the
a
14
or
15
year
old
young
lad
so
and
yeah
it'd
be
that'd,
be
quite
normal
that
we,
we
we'd,
see
a
kid
that
we
would
have
made
a
spider
man
for
witness
with
his
new
autobuck
and
it's
normally
around
the
40
and
15
years
when
they
start
getting
big.
You
know
that
way
and
it's
not
understandable
they
stopped
getting
so
big.
So
quick,
you
know
so
yeah,
financially.
D
G
Because
I
know
we're
registered
charities,
so
we
we
just
get
it's
all
by
donation,
so
we
it's
another
nice
thing
about.
The
universities
is
that
we
can.
We
get
our
advertising
students
and
marketing
students
to
fundraise,
and
it's
just
it's
winly
and
it's
it
works
out
really
really
well.
Our
overheads
are
are
quite
small
because
we're
not
slow
to
use
the
university's
printer.
G
And
that
keeps
things
because
we
have
to
produce
a
an
annual
report
to
the
charities
regulator
to
keep
it
really
really
simple:
we
take
no
money,
we
give
no
money,
we
there's
no
salaries,
there's
no,
nothing
take
money,
we
spend
it
on
material
and
printers
and
that's
it.
This
is
all.
G
That
kind
of
isn't
a
kind
of
isn't,
and
this
is
a
beautiful
gray
area
that
we're
comfortable
in
you
know
the
university
it
has.
It
has
been
great
and
they
they're
very
supportive,
but
they're
we're
not
an
official
part
of
the
university
as
such,
we're
more
like
a
student
society
yeah.
You
can
see
we're
we're
literally
tiptoeing
on
this
legal
thing
constantly,
because.
G
I
think
so
yeah
because-
and
I
think
it's
it's
like-
no,
no,
we
played
the
game
when,
when
people
want
to
see
us,
we
we
have
presentations
and
we
used
it
to
be
looked
for
the
cutest
child.
We
could
have
found,
we
really
pile
around
pick,
and
but
people
are
great
people
just
roll
in
and
say
no
hang
on.
This
is
this
is
good
stuff.
There's
no
reason
to
stop
this
stuff.
You
know
yeah
we're.
We
were
recently
changed
in
terms
of
we
used
to
be
the
seo
technology
in
tala.
G
Our
our
university's
name
has
changed
and
we've
merged
now.
So
we're
now
one
of
the
largest
universities
in
the
country,
but
because
we're
married
three
universities,
our
three
institutions-
and
they
have
seen
this
community
engaged
nature
of
what
we're
doing
so
we're
hoping
to
to
kind
of
step
up
again
and
start.
Maybe
looking
at
research
and
community
engaged
learning
and
computers
and.
G
For
the
university-based
group
like
ourselves,
that's,
I
think,
that's
where
the
strength
is
because
it's
absolute
win-win
every
time
and
barry
referred
to
it
there
with
the
it's
just
our
students
gain
more
than
the
kids
that
come
in
and
you
you
guys
know
of
this.
You
know
well.
C
You
know
robbie,
I
spent
a
work
a
week
in
a
workshop
at
autobot
in
berlin,
and
I
spent
one
day
touring
the
autobahn
museum,
which
I
recommend
with
one
of
their
lead
r
d
guys
we
really
got
along,
even
though
he
was
very
skeptical
about
enable.
But
one
of
the
things
he
did
keep
saying
was
yeah,
maybe
for
kids,
because
he
didn't
quite
say
this,
but
because
of
course,
autobot
doesn't
have
reasonable
solutions
for
kids
and
in
germany,
the
adults
all
get.
I
assume
ottobock
or
other
medical
grade
prosthetics.
C
What
you
have
is
apparently
the
is,
to
my
knowledge,
a
sanctioned
collaboration
between
your
volunteer
group
with
government
oversight
and
ottobock,
and
I
wouldn't
be
surprised
if
there
are
otterbach
clinics
in
other
parts
of
the
world
that
could
recognize
and
embrace
that
same
symbiosis
when
it
comes
to
underage
learning,
versus
mature,
covered
amputees.
So.
G
C
You
want
to
expose
what
you're
doing
as
a
potentially
replicable
model
and
ottobock
as
a
potentially
as
a
potential
vector
for
spreading
this
and
where
it'll
go.
G
Yeah,
that
could
be
great
because,
as
you
said
it
it's
the
perfect
match-up,
you
know
like
yeah
again,
you
can
see
we're
still
in
that
kind
of
keeping
our
heads
below
the
radar
type
mode
as
well
so
but
yeah.
I.
D
Have
could
presence
so
yeah
there's
a
really
interesting
match
there.
C
And
you
know
to
go
up
a
level,
and
I
see
that
this
has
been
a
fascinating
discussion,
but
to
go
up
a
level.
I
think
that,
while
we've
identified
this
pattern,
for
let's
say
countries
with
good
medical
coverage
and
autobot
systems,
more
generally,
we've
also
clarified
the
pattern
that
what
enable
is
good
at
and
good
for
is
filling
the
gaps
that
do
exist
now.
You
know
in
paraguay,
there's
a
there's,
a
lower
limb
gap
and
so
they're
filling
that
gap.
C
But
you
know
the
point
is
I
think
that
may
be
at
a
at
a
higher
level.
What
we
do
is
say
because
we're
off
the
books,
because
we're
volunteers,
because
we're
improvisational
because
we're
doing
it
in
a
way
that
makes
us
less
risk-averse
in
every
region.
You
say:
what's
the
under
regulated
underserved
community
that
we
might
be
able
to
help
with.
E
To
that
extent,
you
know
masby's
effort
in
the
lithuania
with
the
face
shields
same.
E
Became
sort
of
kind
of
the
national
collaboration
was
is
really
exciting.
I
do
want
to
pass
it
before
we
end
up.
Alexander
is
in
romania.
Masby's
in
lithuania.
Do
either
of
you
guys
have
any
questions
for
robbie
and
specifically
about
this,
this
situation
with
the
eu
and
how
it
appears.
G
See
do
we
do
any
case
studies
and
medical
tests?
No,
it
does
not,
but
it
guys
if
you
want
to
just
email
me.
I
don't
know
where
my
email
address
is.
G
And
I'll
glad
I'll
gladly
send
under
it's
a
technical
file,
it's
called
it's
not
it's,
not
it's
grand
the
it's!
It's
not
happening.
Although
it's
been
a
while,
since
I
looked
I'd,
probably
remember
flashbacks
of
oh,
my
god,
we
never
give
them
to
adults.
We
have
we
have
maybe
four
adults
or
so
we
we've
made
hands
fur
like.
B
B
G
Right,
we
know
we,
we
will
gladly
make
them
one
or
they'll
go
to
autobot
as
well.
D
But
your
your
your
national
health
care
system
covers
that,
for
anybody
who
needs
one,
they
don't
have
to.
G
Pay
for
it
yeah,
I
know
like
we
had
a
young
woman
came,
who
had
sepsis,
who,
who
she
we
made
us
a
hand
for
hor.
She
then
went
on
to
get
a
full,
my
electric
one,
and
so
we
we,
we
filled
the
gap
of
time
that
she
had
to
wait
right
exactly
exactly
and
then
so.
Wow.
G
G
G
D
G
Very
yeah
very
low
risk
now
that
risk
assessment
does
ask
about
it
stuff
like
this,
I
can't
remember
the
proper
term,
for
you
know
skin
sensitivities
with
what
you're
using
so
that
makes.
B
H
D
Well,
there's
another
element
here
that
we
haven't
talked
about
not
case
studies.
I
find
myself
wondering
about
the
involvement
of
medical
professionals,
so
when
you
guys
make
devices
there
in
ireland
robbie,
is
there
any
involvement
from
like
a
an
occupational,
therapist
or
a
prosthetist
to
do
a
fitting
or
anything
like
that.
G
We've
had
one,
but
it
was
an
unusual
one.
It
was
for
somebody
who
was
based
in
in
you
in
northern
ireland.
So
was
a
uk
or
occupational
therapist,
but
no
we've
never
had
any
any
inputs
from
medical,
and
I
I
can
understand
they
are
keeping
it
what
they
perceive
as
a
safe
distance.
D
B
G
G
So
you
can
see
why
we
are
in
this
unusual
gray
area
and
I
can
appreciate
all
the
questions
alexander's
making.
We,
you
know
you
we
give
them
to
an
adult,
but
when
you're
giving
them
to
an
18
year
old
and
you're,
asking
them
to
sign
a
disclaimer
part
of
the
disclaimer
is
listen.
This
is
a
piece
of
plastic
and
you're
not
going
to
punch
yourself
your
way.
G
D
D
G
It's
it's
a
tricky
one,
because
you're
kind
of
it'd
be
very
easy,
and
for
and
the
difficulty
we
always
have
is
it's
very
easy
to
say
no
to
things
like
to
things
like
what
we're
doing
in
other
ways
so
and
we're
you
know
we
have
to
be
careful
about
who
we
approach,
who
we
ask,
because
the
default
and
the
safe
thing
is
to
say
no
stop
what
you're
doing
right
now.
But
this
is
what
I
mean.
D
It's
you
know
when
I
think
about
your
situation.
There
you've
got
this
big.
I
don't
remember
what
you
called
it
a
clinic
or
something
being
run
by
ottobock.
I
mean,
let's
face
it.
Ultimately,
it's
it's
money
that
makes
the
world
go
round,
and
it's
always
that
that
gets
involved
here.
Well,
in
your
case,
you've
got
a
national
health
care
system,
they're
getting
paid.
You
know,
they're
they're,
going
to
keep
making
their
money
for
making
all
the
adult
prosthesis
and
they
don't
have
a
product
they
focus
on
for
children.
So
it's
this
great
synergy.
D
Now
we
don't
have
that
here
we
don't
have
the
national.
They
don't
have
that
automatic
income
stream
from
the
government.
So
there's
some
interesting
differences
here
to
think
about.
Gotta
follow
the
money
as
they
say.
G
And
I
wonder
about
maybe
the
as
barry
alluded
to
earlier,
the
emphasizing
the
the
the
educational
side
that
yeah.
G
G
You
know
and
I've
seen
the
the
academic
papers
on
this
notion
of
giving
the
child
of
you
know
that,
where
their
extremities
are
in
preparation
for
a
future
prosthetic
so-
and
that
seems
to
work
quite
well
the
yeah,
it's
it's,
it's
a
tricky
one
and
you
know
for
the
universe.
E
G
And
there's
50
50
kids
walking
around
with
these
things,
who
wouldn't
have
had
them
if
we
got
bogged
down
in
the
definitions
and
the
definitions
and
the
legislation
weren't
written
for
one-off
3d
printed
devices,
and
they
weren't
written
for
this,
and
this
is
why
our
hp
ra
were
quite
good.
They
sat
and
they
said
no
hang
on.
We
need
to.
We
need
to
learn
what
the
hell
this
is
about,
because
this
is
new.
This
is
not
where
you
used
it.
G
H
D
D
C
E
It
is
interesting,
alexander
what
robbie's
saying
it's
not
that
much
different
than
what
mazu
is
doing
with
the
face
shields
and
lithuania.
I
mean
it's
basically
saying
you
know,
have
a
mask,
but
here
is
this
extra
thing
that
sort
of
fits
into
your
needs
and
the
doctors
were
coming
in
and
it
wasn't
the
hospitals,
but
it
was
sort
of
the
individuals
that
were
identifying
a
need
and
then
approaching,
masby
and
and
his
team.
It
sounds
sort
of
like
that
with
what
you're.
G
G
G
It's
funny
it's
almost,
I
I
think,
I'm
not
sure
again,
I
kind
of
come
back
to
the
cultural
thing
in
that
in
ireland.
You
know
speed
limits,
you
know
when
when
it
suits
we've,
we
have
an
unusual
attitude
to
let
you
know,
rules
and
regulations
and
that
when
we,
when
it
chooses
when
it
makes
sense
to
kind
of
push
them
aside
and
move
on,
we
were
quite
quick
to
do
that
which
was
great
so
the.
C
Yeah,
you
know,
I
think
jeremy
doesn't
agree,
but
I
think
enable
us
is
in
a
similar
niche.
The
work
that
we
do
do
here
is
in
this.
This
gray
area,
the
fda,
has
sort
of
marked
out
the
gray
area.
They
said
upper
limbs
mechanical,
not
lower,
limbs
and
not
motorized,
but
that
has
given
us
the
room
to
do
what
we
do.
C
I
don't
on
average,
I
don't
think
it's
as
well
organized
or
institutionalized
as
what
you're
doing
in
your
country
or
5
million,
but
I
I
do
think
that
we
also
have
found
our
area
of
gray
and
we
do
what
we
can
yeah.
G
And
I
believe
that,
like
because
we've
gone
through
the
motions
of
doing
the
risk
analysis-
and
you
know
getting
the
documentation
right-
they
they
can,
you
just
know
the
guys
can
relax
a
bit.
They
know
they're
not
dealing
with.
You
know
we're
not
going
to
do
anything
silly.
They
know
like,
let's
say
the
whole
myoelectrics
we're
not
going
near
that,
because
that
immediately
puts
it
into
class
two,
and
you
know
it's
just
not
we're
not
going
to
do
that.
You
know
so,
and
they
know
we're
not
going
to
do
that.
G
C
H
G
Not
for
us
so.
H
You
get
all
your
all
all
the
cases
through
direct
contact,
not
not
from
not
from
doctors.
G
We
get
them
from
processions
or
from
facebook
from
actually
nice,
the
largest
we
got
was
it
two
summers
ago
we
had
one
child
play
it
and
it
the
child
used
to
play
for
a
amputee
soccer,
and
that
summer
we
have
a
full
team,
so
it
kind
of
suits.
Maybe
I
know
in
ireland
everybody
knows
everybody
and
our
social
network
outside
facebook
is
very
effective,
so
people
are
very
quick
to
say.
Oh
no,
I
know
somebody
or
I
know
somebody
who
knows
something,
and
but
I
found
that
they
were
excellent.
G
That's
those
sort
of
informal
groups
are
far
more
effective
than
than
the
you
know.
The
formal
medical
routine
like
we've
we've
a
very
unusual
project.
I'm
sorry,
I
know
we're
pushed
for
time,
but
there's
a
a
child
hospice
in
in
dublin,
and
it's
the
only
hospice
in
the
country,
and
they
we
did
a
project
for
them
this
year
to
look
at
scanning
artifacts
from
sick
kids.
You
know
like
footprints
and
hand
prints
now
that
only
came
about
because
of
our
our
link
with
the
3d
printing
and
they
they
they
were
asking.
G
Well
we're
not
sure
what
3d
printing
is.
I'm
not
sure
what
3d
scanning
is,
but
we
see
you
guys
do
this.
Can
you
guys
look
after
so
we
we
looked
into
get
scanning
these
artifacts
for
them
and
opening
up
the
potential
then
for
future
printing
in
whatever
way
they
see
appropriate.
You
know
so
well.
I
think
that
was
largely
because
of
the
informal
network
we've
used.
I
think
the
other
thing
and
it's
the
strength
of
the
charity
having
charity
status.
G
G
Through
but
it
it,
it
elevates
the
stasis
of
your
group
to
the
extent
that
people
know
that
you
know
you're
being
you
know,
you're
not
being
honest,
but
you
have
to
keep
accounts
and
that
your
motivations
are
are
in
the
same
way
as
everybody
else.
So
those
things
have
really
made
a
massive
difference
to
us.
G
B
G
I'll,
do
is
sorry
I'll,
compile
all
the
our
documentation
and
then
the
the
documentation
from
the
national
body
and
just
to
show
you
how
well
it's
laid
out
in
terms
of
it
step
by
step.
You
know
it's
really.
E
My
and
I'll
follow
up
with
you
robbie
to
see
if
you're
interested
in
a
chapter
spotlight,
it
sounds
like
the
model
that
you
guys
have
would
be
really
helpful
for
for
especially
chapters
in
the
eu.
So
maybe,
if
that's
something
you're
interested
in,
we
can.