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From YouTube: Weekly e-NABLE Town Hall Meeting - April 14, 2023
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A
A
Okay,
we'll
start
with
some
action
items:
let's
see
John
any
progress
on
the
write-up
for
the
fiscal
sponsorship
agreement.
A
B
A
You
are
correct,
sir
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
take
that
one
off,
because
I
don't
want
to
keep
pestering
it
about
it.
He
seems
to
be
unavailable,
so
we'll
just
figure
out
some
other
path
for
the
inventory.
If
we
want
to
pursue
that,
okay,
the
next
one
is
for
me
to
add
the
macro
scope
to
the
hub
sidebar,
which
I
did
so
in
the
main
Forum
on
the
Hub.
A
Now
you'll
find
it
right
down
here
with
the
little
search
icon,
I
I
labeled
it
as
a
super
search
just
to
let
people
know
a
little
bit
more
about
what
that
is.
So
it
comes
right
up
in
a
little
iframe
might
want
to
think
about.
I
know
you
got
a
lot
on
your
plate
John,
but
if
you
could
help
to
just
write
up
a
little
basic,
you
know
I,
don't
want
to
say
documentation
just
a
little
bit
of
explanation
of
what
you're
seeing
what
the
size
represents.
Things
like
that
sure
we
could.
C
C
A
Us,
okay!
So,
let's
see
so
that
one
I'm
gonna
cross
off.
C
A
A
A
Just
give
me
one
moment:
you're
welcome
to
stay
here
with
us,
but
if
you'd
like
to
just
watch
the
live
stream,
that's
perfectly
okay,
too,
and
if
you
know
how
to
I
don't
know
if
you
know
how
to
get
to
the
zoom
chat
but
I'm
putting
it
in
the
zoom
chat
for
you
right
now,
and
so
you
can
just
click
on
that
link
and
then
you
can
drop
out
of
this
meeting.
If
you
choose
to
it's
entirely
up
to
you.
C
So
I
I
I,
I'm,
fine,
I,
I,
I
I
I
just
want
to
be
a
quiet
Mouse
in
the
corner
to
see
how
I
can
be
helpful
at
at
90
years
old.
A
Wonderful
and-
and
it's
so
nice
to
have
you
here-
that's
that's
great!
So
yes,
please
hang
out
with
us.
These
are
just
you
know.
These
are
opportunities
for
us
to
just
kind
of
talk
about
a
number
of
different
activities,
we're
doing
to
try
to
support
the
community,
and
you
will
find
that
there
are
lots
of
ways
that
you
might
be
able
to
help
out.
So
please
ask
questions
as
we
go
and
we'd
love
to
have
your
participation
wherever
you
feel
comfortable,
so
jump
in
anytime.
B
A
Just
going
through
action
items
here,
the
next
one
was
for
actually
the
next
two
are
for
me,
and
these
two
I
still
have
not
gotten
to
so
I'm
going
to
leave
them
on
the
list
here,
I'm
going
to
do
them
when
time
permits,
I
really
wanted
to
get
the
badge
done,
because
I
know
that's
something
that
can
help
to
encourage
people
to
join
in
on
making
those
other
kinds
of
assistive
Tech
that
we
now
are
inviting
them
to
make
so
I'd
hope
to
have
that
done
by
now,
but
I've
been
traveling
just
got
back
two
days
ago,
so
hopefully
I'll
find
some
time
soon
here
to
get
those
done
and
on
we
go
I
assume
no
news
from
James
quilty.
B
Okay,
no,
there
was
a
social
media
post
about
their
work
with
in
support
of
a
group
in
Cambodia,
but
I.
Don't
think,
we've
managed
to
get
him
to
pin
down
a
presentation.
A
Not
a
problem
we'll
just
leave
that
on
there
as
a
reminder
for
us
when
we
have
the
opportunity
to
grab
him
and
try
to
Loop
him
in
here.
These
are
the
metrics
that
we
look
at
each
week,
just
some
of
the
key
statistics
that
we
keep
track
of
in
terms
of
our
growing
membership
and
the
activity
on
the
enable
Hub
and
enable
web
Central
and
the
help
desk
support
that
Rick
manages
so
well.
For
us,
I
think
our
chapter
number
is
off
right
now.
A
A
We
usually
don't
start
actively
fundraising
until
we
get
down
into
the
2025k
neighborhood,
so
we're
still
in
pretty
good
health
here
good
opportunity
for
people
to
suggest
projects
that
might
benefit
the
community
that
might
need
some
funding
support
and
the
money
is
there
to
support
that
based
on
community
voting,
so
from
The
Hub,
thanks
to
Sarah
for
picking
out
some
posts
for
us
to
look
at
here,
we
have
one
from
I.
Think
it's
Prado,
let's
see
what
this
is.
A
A
Deep
ell
is
an
artificial
intelligence
language
translator,
so
you
can
just
pop
it
in
here
and
select
English
and
says
good
morning
everybody,
my
name
is
elizir
I'm
from
Santa
Catarina
Brazil
I'm
grateful
to
be
part
of
the
space
with
everyone,
I'd
like
to
help
and
ideas
to
help
people
I
have
a
3D
printer
at
home,
I'm
motivated
to
make
a
difference
in
people.
Count
on
me,
I
hope
to
hear
from
you.
So
let's
go
ahead
and
just
send
him
a
reply
right
now.
B
A
F
I
have
that
now
built
into
my
email
client,
which
I
love
that
yeah
that's
really
handy.
The
latest
release
of
my
email
client
came
out
with
it
built
in
I.
Didn't
do
it.
A
Oh
nice-
and
here
we
have
Kristoff
Kristoff-
is
saying:
maybe
someone
will
be
interested
M
bionics,
UK,
Ben
Ryan
provides
this
project
for
free.
Let's
take
a
look.
A
A
A
So
do
you
know
anything
about
what
this
one
is
here?
It
looks
that
looks
a
lot
like
the
gripper
hand,
that
John
and
and
Skip
came
up
with.
Is
that
just
a
it.
F
Moves
yeah,
I,
I
I
mean
I,
I
I
didn't
print
it
because
it
was
I've
got
so
much.
I
I
have
no
access
to
my
computer
right
now,
but
it
looks
like
an
interesting
thing
to
play
with
it's.
A
Excellent
well,
thank
you
for
sharing
this
Kristoff
and
I'm
going
to.
Let
me
grab
that
link
I'm,
going
to
add
that
into
our
collection
down
here
of
assistive
tech
device
repositories
which
I
had
a
meeting
with
Ian
about
I'll.
Tell
you
about
that
later
and
next
up
we'll
go
to
this
one
Eric,
let's
see
Eric
bubar,
oh
good,
to
see
you
Eric
I'm,
going
to
repost
this
Google
Formula,
because
I've
noticed
lots
of
new
people
looking
for
enabled
projects
lately.
A
F
E
One
so
I
I
am
100
on
board
with
the
idea
that
we
should
be
encouraging
some
more
data
collection
and
trying
to
get
some
standards
in
play
so
that
if
we
were
going
to
go
to
the
route
of
you
know
publishing
a
white
paper
or
doing
poster
presentations,
we
would
have
something
to
present,
and
so
I
think
this
is
a
really
great
idea.
E
I
think
that
we
need
to
be
a
little
bit
careful
and
maybe
do
some
due
diligence
to
reach
out
to
some
field.
Experts
in
the
you
know
realm
of
occupational
therapy
and
Prosthetics
to
to
select
appropriate
tests
and
also
make
sure
that
they're
being
administered
in
the
right
way
at
the
box
and
block
test
is
like
a
simple
tool
in
itself,
but
there's
a
very
specific
way
in
which
it
needs
to
be
administered
and
specific
ways
in
which
the
data
needs
to
be
collected.
E
So
slight
variances
in
you
know,
the
tools
can
can
you
know,
invalidate
the
results
and
so
I,
just
I
I
just
want
to
throw
a
word
of
caution
out
there.
The
other
thing
I
want
to
mention
is
the
boxing
block
is,
is
not
really
indicated
for
approach.
Germany
amputation,
it's
not
really
validated
as
a
proper
functional
assessment
there,
largely
because
there's
so
much
variability
between
amputation
level
and
device
used.
So
it's
it's
kind
of
a
hanky
one
I.
E
You
know
caveat
to
that
caveat
though
there
is
not
a
uniform
assessment
measure
for
individuals
with
a
virtue
of
the
amputation.
E
Sorry
go
ahead.
No,
no
all
I
was
going
to
say
is
that
a
lot
of
people
have
a
lot
of
strong
feelings
about
this
in
in
research
land,
but
I
found
after
he
posted
this
I
went
out
and
I
found
a
couple
of
pretty
well
argued
stances
a
couple
of
papers
where
some
some
industry
experts,
otds
and
the
like
had
done
some
meta-analyzes
of
different
testing
batteries
and
I
think
there's
a
lot
out
there.
E
That
could
be
done,
but
I
think
that
before
we
we
have
a
big
Community
called
to
do.
You
know
a
thing:
I
think
it
might
be
a
good
idea
to
kind
of
put
our
heads
together
a
bit
and
say
you
know:
what
are
we
actually
trying
to
test
and
what
is
it
that
would
be
useful
for
us
in
terms
of
like
setting
some
next
steps.
A
So
I
think
you
make
some
great
points.
Adam
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
I
think
that
would
be
a
very
relevant
discussion
to
have
probably
between
you
and
Eric
I.
See
that
he's
talking
about
this
being
an
IRB
be
sanctioned
study
and
Publishing
journals
and
I
think
what
you're
saying
is
very
relevant
to
that
where
I'm
looking
at
this
from
and
I
think
a
lot
of
our
other
volunteers
would
be.
Is
we're
not
coming
at
this
from
a
research
point
of
view
we're
not
trying
to
provide
any
definite?
A
You
know
this
is
the
answer.
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
is
compare
one
device
design
against
another
sure.
So,
even
if
you
know
you
say
well,
you
know
there's
variance
in
the
results
or
it
wasn't
administered
by
a
professional
as
long
as
it's
administered
in
a
consistent
way.
You
know
it's
valuable
to
us
to
just
know
this
design
perform
much
better
than
this
design.
You
know,
because.
C
A
E
Asked
yeah
so
to
that
end,
what
I
was
thinking
is
that
a
survey
would
be
a
really
great
starting
point
to
get
just
a
baseline
qualitative
question
of
how
a
person
feels
their
functionality
was
before
the
amputation
before
device
received
and
then
after
administration
of
the
device
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
Baseline
and
then,
if
we
were
to
I
mean
there
are
simple
things
like
this:
3D
Loop
puzzles,
and
you
know
some
simple
grip:
I,
don't
know,
I.
Think
the
box
of
black
is
great.
It's
something.
A
I
agree
with
what
you're
saying
Adam
part
of
this
is
just
you
know:
oh
I
think
John
and
I
have
a
little
bit
more
history
here
and
what
you
might
not
be
aware
of
is
we've
tried
many
many
many
times
to
do
the
short
surveys
that
you're
talking
about.
A
We
just
don't
get
responses,
it's
very,
very
difficult
to
get
anyone
to
engage
with
us
and
share
that
feedback
and
data
I
think
safe
is
probably
one
of
the
more
successful
ones
in
doing
that
kind
of
research
by
actually
interviewing
people,
but
most
of
our
attempts
at
doing
any
kind
of
surveys
to
our
device
users
have
just
been
an
utter
failure.
So
I
agree
completely
with
what
you're
saying,
but
again
we
usually
end
up
coming
back
to.
E
I'm
fully
on
board
I
will
say
that
our
our
Anonymous
industry
Insider,
who
will
be
meeting
with
soon
Jeremy
I,
think
we'll
have
some
good
insight
about
how
we
could
potentially
get
some.
Some
better
engagement
and
measures
might
be
good,
but
we
can
save
that
for
an
offline
discussion.
A
Yeah
and
any
of
that
kind
of
input
we
can
get
from
people
in
the
medical
community
is
absolutely
valuable
and
welcome
so
I
hope
you'll
be
able
to
help
us
there.
You
know
to
you
know:
have
them
instruct
us,
you
know
if
we
want
to
do
some
kind
of
quantitative
or
qualitative
testing.
What's
the
better
way
to
go
about
that
and
what
is
important
and
we'd.
Welcome
that
that
data
we
just.
C
E
I
I
really
don't
want
to
come
down
on
the
side
of
discouraging
people
from
doing
this,
and
I
just
I
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
we're
not
collecting
misleading
information
that
that
would
be
detrimental
as
well
agree.
B
Want
to
add
to
that
I
was
just
going
to
summarize
that
there
are
several
goals.
One
is
to
assess
the
dexterity
of
an
amputee.
Another
is
to
assess
a
device
itself
and
the
standard
technique
for
assessment
device.
I
think
May
Escape
many
of
the
appropriate
criticisms
involved
in
clinical
evaluation
using
this
technique.
A
And
he's
so
he's
describing
one
type
of
testing
the
box
and
block
test
which
it
to
us
has
more
to
do
with.
You
know
how
you
know
how
good
is
the
the
basic
function
of
the
device?
How
well
does
this
design
grip,
comparing?
How
well
do
the
fingers
grasp
a
block
compared
to
other
designs?
So
there
is
some
basic
data
just
about
the
design
itself
in
there
you
know,
does
a
design
that
has
that
sort
of
Whipple
tree
component
to
allow
sort
of
variable
finger
movement?
Does
that
perform
better
than
one
that?
A
Doesn't
you
know
things
like
that
we
can
get
and
to
John's
point
there
are
other
types
of
testing
we
can
do.
That
would
have
nothing
to
do
with
the
end
user,
for
example,
strength
testing.
You
know
how
much
weight
can
one
of
these
hold
before
it
breaks
when
it's
made
out
of
this
material
or
this
material
when
we
use
this
much
infill
or
that
much
infill,
you
know,
there's
there's
other
kinds
of
testing
that
we
could
do
that.
That
would
give
us
some
data,
that's
not
to
Discount
anything
you're
saying
but
I.
E
Think
you
know,
sir,
if
we
were
to
have
any
kind
of
in-person
event
at
some
point
in
the
future
or
some
kind
of
coordinated
virtual
event.
Where
you
know
we
we've
got
some
things
happening
simultaneously.
I
would
be
really
excited
to
get
like
you
know,
just
throwing
an
idea
out
there,
like
10
device
recipients
who
have
like
three
different
models,
or
you
know,
models
with
slight
variances,
like
you're
describing
and
just
run
them
through
a
testing
battery
yeah.
A
A
That
would
be
great
to
to
see
come
together
all
right.
Anyone
else
have
any
thoughts
on
this.
A
Okay,
we'll
move
on
last.
One
here
is
from
Nicole
offering
resources.
Nicole
Chen
with
our
Aragon
robotics
team,
from
San
Mateo
California,
welcome,
I,
have
access
to
3D
printers
filaments
and
are
able
to
put
Prosthetics
together
love
to
help
in
any
way
they
can
I
see.
She
was
greeted
by
Michael
from
Botswana
and
Lori.
A
Fiance
has
a
below
the
knee
left
leg:
amputee
imputation,
okay,
that's
a
little
challenging
for
us,
but
good
that
they're
making
a
connection
you
see.
Sarah
welcomed
her
and
invited
her
to
the
new
member
Meetup.
Thank
you
and
the
link,
great
so
I
think
Nicole's
in
good
hands.
Hopefully
we'll
see
her
at
today's
new
member
Meetup.
A
So
let's
go
on
here.
Let's
see
in
terms
of
our
recurring
events,
I
didn't
update
this.
Obviously
the
next
one
is
the
education
and
new
member
Meetup,
which
is
today
just
after
this
meeting.
12
p.m,
Eastern!
So
right,
when
this
one
ends
that
one
will
be
beginning-
and
everyone
is
welcome-
to
join
it's
for
new
members
as
well
as
anyone
in
education,
students,
teachers,
student
groups,
Etc,
but
really
anyone
is
welcome
to
join.
A
A
Bionic,
Design,
Group
and
other
recurring
meetings
can
be
seen
on
the
calendar.
Let's
just
go
straight
to
that
calendar
for
April
here.
So,
let's
see
we
already
did
the
chapter
leader
meeting
anything
to
report
from
that
one
John
I
saw
your
email,
you
want
to.
Maybe
oh
did
we
lose
John
I
think
he
stepped
away.
B
Meeting
had
a
a
good
and
thorough
update
from
the
zainab
about
the
situation
in
turkey
and
she's.
She
specifically
asked
for
some
recommendations
for
two
cases
that
they're
now
getting
a
lot
of.
One
is
adults,
and
the
other
is
above
elbow
for
children
and
adults.
C
B
I,
think
that
the
ambionics
that
we
just
looked
at
is
is
worth
thinking
about,
but
I
also
make
connections
to
Roberto
the
Belgian
prosthetist,
who
has
wonderful
foam-based
devices
for
children
and
made
a
number
of
other
connections
along
those
lines
in
hopes
that
we
can
get
some
good
support.
Some
good
connections
she's
also
dealing
with
skepticism
from
some
medical
professionals
and
so
I
volunteered
Adam
and
me
to
write
a
letter
of
support
and
gave
some
other
backgrounds.
E
Yeah
and
I
I
wanted
to
talk
to
you
one-on-one
about
that
John
about
the
to
get
a
little
bit
more
of
the
particulars
in
place.
I
wasn't
sure
exactly
what
what
the
ask
was
there.
C
A
So
I
think
John
muted,
because
his
dog.
B
I
know
I'm
back
I'm,
sorry
all
the
time
but
I'm
trying
not
to
have
to
hear
the
dog
barking
right.
So
let's
do
talk.
Maybe
at
the
end
of
this
meeting,
Adam
yeah.
A
My
dog
just
wandered
over
to
see
what
was
going
on
all
right
so
back
to
events.
So
the
next
one
is
today's
enable
education,
new
member
meet
up,
and
it
looks
like
Ian's
going
to
be
presenting
about
the
collaboration
with
NIH
used
to
be
called
the
NIH
3D
print
exchange,
they've
rebranded
it
now
as
just
NIH
3D
as
a
new
look
and
we'll
be
talking
about
our
plans.
I
had
a
great
meeting
with
Ian
this
week
talked
about
where
we
want
to
go
next
in
terms
of
making.
A
You
know
that
our
current
catalog
and
bringing
in
all
of
our
current
designs
and
adding
in
all
sorts
of
new
categories
for
other
types
of
assistive
technology,
so
it's
not
ready
for
use
yet,
but
the
foundations
have
been
laid
with
all
kinds
of
you
know
metadata
and
everything
that
we
need
to
move
forward
now.
So
it's
it's!
It's
looking
really
good
and
I
think
we're
on
track
to
get
to
where
we
want
to
be
with
that.
A
So
Ian
will
be
talking
about
that
today
and
we
have
the
bionic
Design
Group
on
the
28th
and
that
will
be
led
by
vivec.
Looks
like
he's
going
to
be
talking
about
new
developments
in
well.
I!
Guess
that's
just
sort
of
the
generic
description,
so
I
don't
know
if
he
has
anything
specific
in
mind
for
this.
This
month's
meeting.
A
If
anyone's
interested
in
powered
devices,
the
bionic
type
that
have
you
know,
Motors
or
linear,
actuators
sensors
things
like
that,
that's
the
meeting
to
join
externally
powered.
Thank
you
Adam,
yes,
and
if
anyone
as
always,
we
have
these
Town
Hall
meetings
every
week
and
there's
some
other
news
that
Sarah
shared
here
as
well,
which
I'll
let
you
guys
kind
of
go
through
at
your
leisure
we're
going
to
get
back
to
our
agenda.
E
Woof,
yes
alrighty
so
next
week
is
the
2023
aota
American
Occupational
Therapy
Association
conference
I've
been
in
touch
with
a
couple
of
folks
who
are
going
to
be
there,
as
well
as
a
couple
of
OT
directors
for
various
programs
who
gave
me
some
pointers
and
ideas
about
people
to
find
once
I'm
there
I'm
pretty
excited
I've
got
at
least
one
device,
as
Sarah
mentioned
at
the
top
of
this
call
on
the
way
that
I'll
be
able
to
Showcase
Jeremy.
Thank
you
again
for
the
shirts
yeah
from
3D
Universe.
E
The
enable
branded
stuff
I'm
going
to
be
wearing
those
with
my
spiffy
little
conference
suit
and
making
a
show
of
it.
I've
also
got
my
enable
business
cards
which
I'm
going
to
be
handing
out
all
over
the
place.
Yeah.
E
E
I
will
say
one
shortcoming
that
this
is
the
first
time
I've
had
a
vertically
aligned
card.
One
shortcoming,
I've
noticed
is
that
I
think,
even
though
the
alignment
was
centered
on
the
maker
on
like
the
the
design
tool
when
they
cut
it,
there's
like
some
variability,
so
it
looks
it's
very.
You
have
to
really
look,
but
it's
slightly
off
center,
which
you
know
for
someone
with
my
ADHD.
E
Mean
I
I
feel
like
it.
It
is
consistently
awesome,
like
you
know,
a
millimeter
to
the
left,
but
I
worry
that
you
know
we
we
adjust
for
it,
and
then
you
know
it's
it's
often
different
next
time,
yeah
and
then
boom.
Okay,
it's
even
worse,
but
yeah.
It's
it's
really
not
a
huge
problem.
I
just
wanted
to
mention
it
in
case
it's
widely
used
and
people
say
why
did
Adam
design
this
terrible
thing
yeah
beyond
beyond
that,
so
I
have
reached
out
to
gosh.
E
I
was
actually
just
on
Wednesday
I
spoke
at
the.
So
regarding
the
assistive
technology
program.
I
realized
that
you
know,
quote-unquote
Outreach
has
has
kind
of
sprawled
to
cover
a
lot
of
different
initiatives
so
that.
E
Feel
free
to
Reign
me
in
if
it's
not
what
you're
looking
for,
but
on
Wednesday
I
met
with
the
leaders
of
I
think
it
was.
It
was
about
a
dozen
different
state,
assistive
technology
act
programs
and
specifically
it
was
their
small
group
which
is
interested
in
exploring
3D
printing
topics.
E
Meet
which
states?
So,
let's
see
this
was
okay.
This
was
New
York,
Texas
Missouri
and
a
few
others
that
are
wonderful
at
the
moment,
but
yeah
it
was.
It
was
really
great.
We,
they
are
very
excited
about
the
potential
for
collaboration
with
the
enable
I.
Let
them
know
about
my
plans
for
signing
state
champions
in
the
enable
Community
to
reach
out
to
each
of
their
leaders,
and
the
Texas
leader
said
that
Mike
Corson
down
in
Dallas
actually
reached
out
to
her
just
recently.
E
So
that's
looks
like
this
is
already
starting
to
plug
away,
so
I
just
want
to
get
a
couple
of
you
know.
Some
tracking
documentation
in
place
on
the
Hub
I've
got
a
space
dedicated
for
this
already,
which
is
the
assistant
technology
space,
and
there
is
an
Excel
document
there
for
putting
down
your
information,
as
well
as
the
the
state's
contact
information
and
their
website
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
E
But
there
are
a
lot
of
I
think
there
is
so
much
potential
work
there
in
in
expanding
into
system
Tech.
We
also
brought
up
makers,
making
change
and
a
Chad,
Lehman
and
and
the
work
that
I
I
know.
I
talked
about
them
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
but
just
to
restate
a
couple
of
points.
A
A
I'm
I'm
trying
to
gather
down
here,
just
as
they
come
up
all
these
different
repositories
of
Open
Source,
assistive
Tech,
because
as
I
mentioned,
Ian
and
I,
and
hopefully
an
intern
are
going
to
be
working
on,
bringing
all
that
into
the
new
NIH
platform,
and
we
definitely
we'll
start
with
our
prosthetic
designs.
But
then
we
want
to
expand
into
these
other
assistive
texts.
So
when
you're
talking
to
each
of
these
states,
if
you
could
ask
them,
do
they
have
a
website
where
they
share
their
catalog
of
designs?
A
E
I'll
tell
you
I'm
really
trying
to
to
to
start
delegating
a
little
bit
more
so
that
we
can
maybe
get
a
little
bit
more
traction,
so
I'm,
hoping
that
we
can
put
out
a
call
so
that
more
chapters
in
specific
States
can
reach
out
to
their
respective
at
act
program
which
and
I
you
might
notice
I'm
saying
at
program
not
at
program.
I
was
corrected
in
the
call.
It's
the
assistive
technology
act
program.
It's
an
atap,
not
an
ATP.
E
The
ATP
is
the
professional
who
works
within
that
that
than
you
so
yeah
I'm,
hoping
that
we
can
have
a
standard,
and
that
would
be
something
that
would
be
captured
by
that
State's
Champion
I.
A
E
Yeah
so
there's
the
tracking
document
in
the
space
that
anyone
can
can
view
and
then
request,
editing
permission
so
great
yeah,
so
that
that's
that
was
really
great.
I
I
will
say
that
one
thing
that
we
have
I
don't
think
ever
talked
about.
That
would
be
a
really
interesting
expansion
of
our
scope.
The
director
of
the
Texas
state
program
is
a
speech
pathologist,
like
my
wife,
and
she
had
tons
of
questions
about
3D
printed
tools
for
communication
devices
and.
E
So
AAC
is
a
captive
or
communication
I
forget
that
the
other
a
but
it
is
a
whole
branch
of
Rehabilitation
therapeutic
study
so
frequently
I'd,
say
most
typically.
A
speech-language
pathologist
leads
charge
there,
but
OTS
also
facilitate
a
lot
of
that
work.
It
is
vitally
important
in
you
know
a
vast
array
of
diagnoses
and
you
know
developmental
delays
and
all
kinds
of
things
that
people
who
are
just
not
able
to
communicate
for
one
reason
or
another
through
traditional
means
can
utilize.
E
So
these
are
things
like
text-to-speech
devices
kind
of
at
your
base
level,
but
they're
also
tools
that
can
be
wheelchair
mounted.
You
know
this
is
like
getting
down
to
the
level
of,
like
you
know,
tracking
eye
movement,
to
string
together
sentences
using
like
a
camera
and
computer
interface.
So
it
gets
really
high-tech
and
it
can
also
be
pretty
low-tech.
A
E
So
it
can
be
really
great
for
like
pre-reading
level
kiddos,
who
can
you
know,
for
example
the
example
that
the
Texas
director
was
sharing
with
me
and
I'm,
going
to
try
to
blast
through
this
quickly.
I
know
that
we're
running
out
of
time,
but
she's
got
a
kiddo
who
is
visually
impaired,
whose
hands
are
quite
small,
and
so
he
has
difficulty
grasping
the
standard.
E
So
there
are
these
these
communication
boards,
where
you
kind
of
plug
and
play
these
different,
shaped
objects,
and
then
that
you
know
communicates
your
your
need
or
you
know,
answers
the
question
or
you
know
communicates,
but
the
the
symbols
are
too
large
for
his
hands,
and
so
she
was
wondering
if
those
could
be
scaled
down
and
3D
printed
to
you
know,
50
size
and
I
said
yeah.
That
sounds
super.
E
For
3D,
printing
and
my
thought
is
that
I
haven't
in
into
the
speech
mythology
world.
This
might
be
a
whole
new,
a
sphere
of
experts
who
are
in
no
way
plugged
into
the
world
of
3D
printing.
Who
may
be
very
interested
in
something
like
this
and.
A
Good
idea,
I
mean
I,
guess
doing
those
little
components.
You
could
scale
them
to
every
size
needed.
You
can
embed
little
magnets,
maybe
to
yep
yeah.
That's
a
that's
a
neat
idea.
So.
E
I
I
I
asked
my
wife
about
it.
She
thought
it
was
pretty
cool.
E
I
am
going
to
see
if
I
can
rope
her
into
communicating
with
her,
barring
that
I'm
gonna
see
if
I
can
I've
actually
got
a
good
buddy
who
is
in
SLP
as
well
and
I
know
that
he's
been
looking
for
something
to
do
on
the
side,
so
this
might
be
a
good
good
chance
for,
for
that,
so
yeah
stay
tuned
I'll.
Let
you
know
if
anything
else
comes
of
it,
but
I
think
this
is
assistant.
Technology
Program
thing
is
I.
Think
it's
going
to
be
pretty
exciting
stuff.
E
Excellent.
Only
one
other
thing
I
reached
out
to
an
individual
on
named
Florian
valleys.
He
is
a
non-profit
director,
a
base
in
Brussels
who
founded
ugani
Prosthetics.
They
Supply
Prosthetics
devices
to
individuals
in
emerging
countries
and
I,
it's
sort
of
a
combination
between
funding,
Recycling
and
then
you
know,
fill
in
the
blank
to
get
prosthetic
devices
that
people
in
need
all
over
the
world,
primarily
in
the
developing
World,
very
much
in
line
with
my
sort
of
grand
Ambitions
for
what
enable
can
be
in
the
years
ahead.
E
So
I
reached
out
to
him
he's
excited
to
talk
with
us
I'm
going
to
be
setting
up
a
call
with
him
soon.
I
had
a
call
scheduled
this
week
with
the
icrc
director
for
East
Africa
for
their
rehabilitation
program.
We
had
a
misconnection.
It
was
my
fault
I.
Had
the
time
change
the
the
time
zone
change
wrong,
but
lesson
learning
we're
going
to
be
reconnecting
next
week.
She's
also
going
to
be
getting
me
in
touch
with
the
Global
icrc
chairs,
for
physical
rehabilitation
and
also
Prosthetics
programs,
so
I'm.
A
E
You
bet
and
when
I
said
snowball,
what
I
meant
is
like
you
know,
one
connection
is
turning
into
like
another
connection,
not
that
I'm
feeling
overwhelmed
I'm,
nothing
but
excited
right
now.
A
E
A
All
right,
okay,
so
we
wanted
to
talk
about
conditions
for
paying
for
work
within
the
enabled
community,
and
this
goes
back
to
the
enable
fund
and
what
kinds
of
what
kinds
of
funding
proposals
do
we
want
to
support
through
the
enable
fund?
A
You
know
the
general
guiding
principle
in
the
past
has
been.
We
try
to
focus
on
supporting
those
initiatives
that
will
provide
some
kind
of
benefit
to
the
overall
Community,
as
opposed
to
something
that
might
benefit
one
volunteer
or
one
chapter
or
one
set
of
you
know
you
know
end
users
or
what
have
you
you
know
we're.
A
We
tend
to
be
more
interested
in
supporting
things
that,
like
hey,
I,
you
know,
I
see
that
this
you
know
we
don't
currently
have
a
solution
for
this
I
want
to
build
a
solution
and
then
I'll
make
that
available
to
the
community,
whether
that
be
some
new.
You
know
web
application
to
do
something
that
we
need,
or
maybe
a
new
design
that
somebody
wants
to
create
that
there's
a
need.
For
you
know
those
are
the
king
things
that
we've
we've
generally
supported
in
the
past.
A
We
generally
have
not
supported
things
like
hey,
I,
just
started
a
new
chapter
and
we'd
like
some
money
to
buy.
You
know
some
3D
printers
or
to
buy
materials.
Usually
we
haven't
supported
that
kind
of
thing.
Because
again,
that's
that's
really
more
about
that
particular
chapter
and
we
encourage
them
to
find
other
ways
of
you
know
crowdfunding
or
things
like
that
to
to
get
started.
A
The
gray
area
tends
to
come
up
in
terms
of
you
know,
paying
people
for
doing
work,
obviously
we're
a
volunteer
community
and
most
of
the
people
like
myself
and
John
and
Adam.
You
know
we
do
what
we
do
just
because
it
you
know
it's
it's
what
we
want
to
be
doing.
It
has
its
own
Rewards.
A
There
are
some.
The
the
thinking
in
the
past
has
been.
There
are
some
things
that
we
do
or
need
done
that
require
a
certain
level
of
time.
Commitment,
like
you
know
things
like
managing
our
social
media
and
putting
out
our
newsletters
and
things
you
know.
Could
we
maybe
find
a
volunteer
to
do
those
things?
Maybe
would
they
stay
on
long
term
and
make
it
into
a
consistent
thing?
That's
done
on
a
really
regular
ongoing
basis.
A
Probably
not
those
volunteers
tend
to
come
and
go,
and
so
in
the
past
we
have
had
some
cases
where
we
use
the
enable
fund
to
pay
for
those
roles
that
seem
like.
Maybe
this
isn't
something
that
we
should
expect
to
volunteer
to
do.
Don't
want
to
put
you
on
the
spot,
but
Sarah
is
an
example
of
that
not
by
you
know
her
encouragement.
That
was
our
choice.
We
said
we
think
this
is
one
of
those
roles,
our
Communications
coordinator
role
that
Ben
Reuben
used
to
do
and
he
was
also
paid.
A
We
see
that
as
a
role
that
you
know
probably
isn't
going
to
be
done
effectively
by
a
volunteer,
or
at
least
that's
been
our
experience
so
far
that
even
if
we
find
a
volunteer
who
can
do
a
good
job
with
it,
it
usually
doesn't
last
all
that
long
and
then
we
have
to
start
over
and
train
somebody
else
and
there's
a
cost
to
that
too
right,
it's,
it
costs
people
their
time
and
energy.
So
that's
a
little
bit
of
background
I'd
like
to
open
this
up
for
discussion.
B
I
pasted
my
little
Mantra
into
the
chat
I
think
we
need
to
pay
for
things
that
volunteers
can't
do
want
to
do
or
shouldn't
do,
make
a
long-term
commitment
and
be
held
accountable
if
something
volunteers
very
rarely
can
do
because
often
they
have
jobs
or
other
commitments
which
necessarily
prioritize
that
there
are
things
they
won't
do.
B
We've
had
a
terrible
time,
for
example,
getting
good
reliable
data
about
what's
going
on
our
volunteers
could
do
it
but
they're
not
into
it
frankly
and
we're
grateful
for
what
they
they
will
do,
but
that's
an
example
where,
if
we
had
someone
who
was
willing
and
able
to
systematically
help
us
unearth
and
quantify
our
impact
after
years
of
trying
to
get
volunteers
to
just
submit
it,
I
would
be
quite
happy
to
to
support
the
funding
of
something
like
that.
B
If
I
thought
it
would
actually
and
then
there
are
things
volunteers
shouldn't
do,
there's
confidential
patient
information
and
so
on.
That
probably
needs
to
be
dealt
with
by
a
professional
like
Adam,
perhaps
or
by
a
paid
volunteer
who's
who
have
that
kind
of
a
relationship.
It's
a
guideline.
It
doesn't
actually
say
what
the
natural
cases
are,
but
it
does
suggest
a
series
of
criteria.
B
I
will
also,
however,
that
these
norms
and
I
haven't
introduced.
Anything
new
here
have
themselves
emerged
from
the
our
practice
in
voting
up
and
down
specific
proposals
over
the
years.
That
means
it
can
change
it's
not
it's
not
set
in
stone,
but
these
seem
to
be
the
the
way
the
community
has
has
evolved
and
we've
just
sort
of
tried
to
codify
it.
Now
we
think
maybe
we
need
to
make
it
more
explicit.
F
Ahead,
Rick
I
have
recently
spoken
with
Ian
Davis
I.
Guess
you
guys
all
know
him.
The
guy
with
the
the
amazing,
oh
yeah
the
amazing
hand,
and
he's
right
now.
Looking
for
the
possibility
of
funding
on
his
new
3D
printed
model
and
I
I
just
told
him,
maybe
he
should
contact
enable
to
find
out
what
it
is
he's
looking
for
what
it
is
he's
interested
in
doing
I,
don't
know
if
it's
something
you
guys
would
be
interested
or
not.
I
made
no
commitments.
I
just
said
it
would
probably
be
worth
a
discussion.
F
F
No,
if
somebody
really
required
a
metal
if
they
had
a
metal
requirement,
they'd
have
to
actually
send
that
in
to
the
company
and
have
it
oh.
A
Okay,
no
I,
don't
know
if
you're
talking
about
the
same
thing.
We
actually
do
something
like
this
and
I.
Don't
know
how
many
people
in
our
community
know
about
this,
but
a
lot
of
pretty
much
any
printer.
These
days,
I'm
going
to
pull
this
up.
Real
quick
can
actually
print
in
metal
using
the
right
materials.
So
there's
materials
from
bass,
F
the
ultra
fuse.
A
They
have
a
316l
steel
and
they
also
have
a
17-4
steel
and
you
can
print
these
they're
they're,
it's
mixed
with
a
plastic,
so
you
can
print
them
on
a
standard,
3D
printer
and
then
you
have
to
they
have
to
be
scaled.
There's
some
non-linear
scaling
which
actually
the
the
latest
version
of
Kira
handles
for
you
now
automatically.
Because
what
happens
then?
Is
you
print
your
part?
A
And
then
you
stick
it
in
a
box
and
you
send
it
off
with
one
of
these
processing
tickets
that
you
get
for
for
50
bucks,
that's
good
for
up
to
a
kilogram
of
Parts!
You
send
it
off
to
this
company
DS
dsh
and
they
put
through
a
de-binding
and
sintering
process,
so
de-binding
to
kind
of
remove
the
the
non-metal
material,
and
then
they
put
it
into
basically
a
centering
oven
and
what
comes
out
is
an
actual
Solid
Steel
part,
which
has
then
shrunk
down
to
your
target
dimensions,
and
that
might
be
what
he's
talking
about.
A
Even
if
it's
not
that
would
be
another
way
of
approaching
that
so
I
don't
know
how
many
people
are
aware
that
you
can
do
that
with
standard
3D
printers
without
anything
special.
B
So
that's
relevant
to
our
discussion
with,
because,
if
what,
if
we
were
to
stick
to
our
sort
of
current
Norms,
if
we
were
to
develop
a
metal
based
hand
that
only
he
could
produce
less
likely
to
be
something
the
community
would
want
to
fund
if
he
could
do
it
and
document
a
way
in
which
it
would
open
this
up
to
lots
of
people
in
the
community,
then
I
think
it's
it's
more
likely
to
get
voted
up.
I.
F
Believe
that
the
the
new
one
he's
working
on
is
either
or
you
can
print
it
in
in
plastic
and
it
works,
but
if
a
person
needed
something
that
was
more
robust
it
you
know
he
basically
sent
the
parts
printed
in
3D
out
to
somebody
I,
don't
remember
who
it
was.
He
said
it
to,
and
then
they
returned
metal
Parts,
but
he
also
has
them
in
plastic.
F
A
Bet
he's
doing
that
I'll
bet
he's
doing
the
same
thing
that
I
just
showed
and
an
interesting
possibility
to
think
about.
Is
you
know?
Most
of
our
volunteers
probably
won't
want
to
mess
with
this,
but
we
don't
need
them
to.
We
need
a
handful
of
volunteers
that
are
willing
to
get
this
material,
and
we
would
I
would
suggest
that
the
enable
fund
could
help
to
cover
the
cost
of
the
material
and
the
cost
of
those
processing
tickets,
and
that
that
those
volunteers
would
essentially
become
a
service
provider.
A
B
A
E
I
think
that
I
think
that
there's
the
potential
to
really
expand
what
we
are
capable
of
accomplishing
to
to
increase
our
footprint
and
increase
our
impact
within
that
footprint
by
bringing
on
someone
or
multiple
someone's
in
paid
positions.
I
think
that
engagement
is
one
of
the
issues
that
we
struggle
with
the
most
and
I
agree.
E
That
I
think
that
that
comes
from
the
fact
that
we
are
decentralized
and
this
is
purely
volunteer,
and
so
it's
not
top
of
mind
for
most
people,
I
think
there's
a
ton
of
Good,
Will
and
I
think
there's
a
ton
of
skill,
but
engagement
is
kind
of
where,
where
the
disconnect
happens,
so
you
know
getting
someone
on
a
paycheck
I
think
is
the
easiest
and
most
direct
way
to
do
that
now:
I
I
guess
in
my
mind
there
are
kind
of
three
steps:
I
think
Step
One
is
identifying
what
the
best
roles
would
be
and-
and
you
know
getting
some
some
kind
of
mission
outcomes
that
we're
looking
for
that
that
these
individuals
would
would
fill
and
then
getting
the
money
in
place
to
better
justify
it.
E
I
think
we
could
explore-
and
this
is
coming
from
some
of
the
grain
of
salt,
who
has
zero
fundraising
experience,
but
if
we
had,
if
we
we
retain
the
services
of
you,
know
a
consulting
firm
someone
who's
experienced
in
fundraising
and
we
made
a
mission
of
hitting
a
a
Target.
We
had
a
you
know
a
focus
campaign
and
we
were
out
there
hitting
the
pavement
trying
to
to
make
this
happen.
E
I
think
that
is
the
kind
of
thing
that
could
feed
itself
and
you
know,
bringing
people
on
would
increase
visibility
and
increased
visibility
would
increase
funding
and
they
could
bring
more
people
on
I
I
think
that
all
sounds
great,
but
it's
something
I
know
nothing
about,
and
so
I'm
I'm
a
little
hesitant
endorsing
one
way
or
the
other.
E
The
money
and
do
it
there-
it
is
yep,
so
Step
One,
is
identify
goals.
Step
two
would
would
be,
you
know,
getting
the
tools
together
to
to
make
that
happen
and
then
step
three
would
be.
You
know
acting
upon
it
got
it,
then
you
know
rinse
repeat
so.
E
E
No
no
I'm,
sorry
John
I
was
just
saying
that
I
would
vote
I
to
definitely
open
the
door
to
you
know,
retain
the
services
of
of
people
I.
My
thumb
on
the
scale
would
be
I
think
we
should
look
at
people
who
are
you
know
a
firm
or
individual,
who
is
highly
experienced
in
leading
fundraising
campaigns,
and
that
would
I
think
the
get
in
the
other
role
that
we
were
looking
to
fill.
B
So
you're
actually
suggesting
that
we
start
with
a
fundraiser
now
yep,
you
know,
I
I,
think
my
position
is:
we've
had
money
in
the
bank
for
several
years
that
we
this
10K
year
30k.
You
know
sorry
I'm
embarrassed
to
say
that
I'm
slipping
but
we've
had
we've
been
getting
30k
a
year
from
from
a
foundation,
and
we
haven't
exhausted
that
now.
It's
true
that
that's
not
enough
to
hire
somebody
but
I
actually
do
things
I'm
doing
a
little
fundraising
or
planning
to
do
some
fundraising
elsewhere.
B
There
are
foundations
that
are
waiting
for
requests
like
this.
If
they're
well,
articulated
requests
and
I
do
have
access
to
a
good
database
of
potential
funders.
I,
don't
have
the
inclination
or
the
time
to
do
the
grant,
writing
or
defining
the
position,
but.
E
I
know
somebody
who's
good
at
grant.
Writing
on
this
call,
yes,
is
that
you
no
that's
Sarah
Sarah!
Yes,.
B
Then
we
consider
the
right
way
to
go
about
number
two
right.
We
start
by
identifying
and
again
I
like
to
do
this
incrementally.
What's
the
one
position
we
would
like
to
be
able
to
hire,
is
it
full-time
or
part-time,
either
way,
I
think
I
I
have
time
or
full-time
position
without
strip
what
we
currently
have
funding
for.
B
That's
a
good
reason
to
then
say:
let's
look
at
the
grants
database
and
see
if
there's
some
easy
hits
and
then
we
can
write
some
letters
of
inquiry
and
then,
if
we
get
some
nibbles
by
now
here
that
we
can
have
Sarah
help
us
produce
a
proposal.
A
So
I
I
agree
with
that
John
with
the
exception
that
I
don't
think
we
should
limit
ourselves
to
identifying
the
one
role
that
we
need.
I.
Think
that,
just
as
as
Adam
said,
we
should
identify
what
are
the
roles
that
would
be
needed.
Some
of
them
might
be
full-time.
Some
of
them
might
be
halftime,
but
let's
figure
out
what
all
of
those
potential
roles
are
and
then
we
can
start
to
look
at
okay.
What
do
we
start
with?
Do
we
do
we
start
with
this?
Just
this
one?
Do
we
start
with
these
two,
these
three?
A
Let's
not
limit
ourselves
in
the
initial
thinking,
let's
just
figure
out
what
those
roles
would
be
and
what
they
entail,
and
this
is
one
of
those
things
that
I
I
want
to
finish
this
discussion,
but
I
also
don't
want
this
to
just
be
one
of
those
great
ideas
that
doesn't
go
anywhere
so
before
we
end
here,
we
should
talk
about
who
wants
to
be
involved
in
this
working
group
so
and
let's
think
about
actually,
let's,
let's
get
a
meeting.
A
A
Okay,
well,
then,
maybe
we
should
start
there.
Let's,
let
me
just
take
a
by
a
show
of
hands,
or
you
know,
show
virtual
hands
who'd
like
to
be
a
part
of
that
that
working
group
to
figure
out
first
what
those
roles
might
be
and
what
they
would
entail.
I'm
happy
to
be
part
of
that.
A
Be
part
of
that
excellent
I
see
me
John
and
Rick
and
Adam.
Thank
you
very
much.
Anyone
else
who
would
like
to
be
part
of
that.
Please
let
me
know
you
can
message
me
or
text
or
anything
like
that.
So
let's
see
initial
working
group
to
identify
potential
paid
roles,
Journey
John,
Rick
Adam.
Anyone
else
right
now,
no
pressure
at
all
just
want
to
make
sure
I'm,
including
anyone
that
has
interest
so
I'll,
send
out
a
a
calendly
link
to
see
if
we
can
actually
I'll.
Probably
do
this
one.
A
A
Right
who's
who's
got
the
most
restrictive
schedule,
I
think
maybe
Adam
do
you
want
to
suggest
a
time
that
we
can
all
look
at
I'm.
A
A
Central
and
that's
on
the
18th
does
that
work
for
everyone,
yep,
okay,
I,
will
send
out
the
zoom
invite
later.
Let
me
just
put
a
placeholder
in
here.
A
A
E
Before
we
end
the
call
I
drop
this
in
the
chat
I
just
wanted
to
mention,
and
if
we
don't
want
to
vote
on
this
right
now,
I've
been
in
communication
with
tainara
down
in
Brazil.
For
you
know
the
better
part
of
six
months,
or
so
she
I've
mentioned
her
several
times.
She
has
frequent
Clinic
con
conflicts,
she's
a
practicing
OT
and
she's,
also
a
very
skilled
3D,
printer
and
designer
I'm.
A
E
Not
at
all
urgent
I
just
wanted
to
float
the
idea
that
I
think
that
she
would
be
a
really
good
person
to
you
know,
have
a
title
and
two
and
give
her
a
little
bit
of
clout
to
start
coordinating
some
some
of
the
stuff
I
will.
E
Yep
she
spoke
at
a
couple
of
the
healthcare
roundtables
that
I
organized
last
late
last
year.
She
would
she
signaled
that
she'd
be
very
interested
in
leading
those
movements.