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From YouTube: Weekly e-NABLE Town Hall Meeting - November 11, 2022
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A
A
Welcome
back
to
another
town
hall,
let
me
share
my
screen,
get
some
notes
up
here
and
we
will
get
started.
B
A
All
right
so
I
think
Sarah's
gonna
be
joining
us
shortly
and
I'll
see
if
she
can
help
with
notes
action
items
real,
quick
and
I.
Think,
given
that
we
have
sort
of
the
core
team
here
today,
I
think
the
plan
is,
if
you
all,
are
willing
to
sort
of
really
focus
most
of
our
time
today
on
that
that
discussion
of
our
lumio
voting
process,
since
we
didn't,
we
keep
running
out
of
time
on
that,
but
we'll
go
through
action
items.
Real
quick
I
need
to
I
need
to
resend.
A
Oh,
would
somebody
have
something
to
say
there:
nope
nope,
okay,
I
need
to
resend
the
chapter
audit
email
I
didn't
get
to
that
yet,
but
I
will
try
to
prompt
people
to
help
fill
out.
Our
form
I
also
need
to
figure
out
how
to
get
logged
into
that
enable
matching
platform.
I
did
send
an
email
to
Terry,
asking
him
if
there's
a
special
URL
or
how
to
get
into
that
admin
side.
A
So
I'm
waiting
to
hear
back
from
him
and
gosh
I
wonder
if
I
should
just
take
this
off
of
our
action
items
at
this
point.
I
know
you,
you
certainly
not
not
been
for
a
lack
of
trying
Adam
but
I.
Don't
think
we've
been
able
to
pull
together
a
leadership
team
meeting.
Have
we.
A
I
guess
I'll
leave
it
for
a
while,
but
I
I,
don't
know
what
else
you
could
be
doing.
I
know
I'm,
not
sure
what
else
do
you
have
any
ideas
there
John
about
how
to
try
to
Corral
this
team.
D
C
I
thought
We've
sort
of
been
trying
to
reach
out
to
these
folks
collectively.
I,
don't
know
what
the
driving
force
was
behind.
Selecting
these
members
specifically,
but
I,
wanted
to
know,
maybe,
if
reaching
out
to
them
individually,
whether
that's
John
or
someone
else
might
be
a
better
attack
to
try
to
get
people
on
the
same
page.
Because,
as
it
stands,
the
sort
of
collectivist
approach
doesn't
seem
to
be
working.
A
C
D
Well,
those
are
the
obvious
candidates,
just
because
they've
they
are
leaders,
they
have
done
important
things
and.
A
Of
identifying
those
that
have
stepped
up
and
taken
on
things
by
themselves,
we
don't.
C
I
guess
I
guess
this
is
my
question.
You
know.
There's
there
are
people
who
who
have
done
things
and
that's
that's
I.
Think,
as
John
has
stated,
you
know
enabled
being
a
duocracy
is
I
think
the
the
key
qualifier,
but
maybe
it
would
be
beneficial
if
we
defined
exactly
what
it
is.
We
want
the
the
kinds
of
roles
we
hope
people
will
be
able
to
fill
and
the
kinds
of
activities
we
hope
they'll
be
able
to
do
absolutely.
A
We've
tried
that
in
several
ways
at
different
times
there
was
a
let's
see
there
was
a
there's,
a
pin
post
right
on
the
Hub,
where
we
have
a
very
sort
of
poor
attempt
at
you
know,
defining
volunteer
needs,
so
it
says
here:
volunteering
needs.
Please
check
the
volunteering
needs
Hub
space,
so
we
actually
set
up
a
space
for
this
saying
we
need
your
help
and
we
started
to
list
out
some
of
these
things
here.
We
just
never
really
fully
developed
this.
C
Well,
maybe
maybe
that
would
be
a
good
subject
for
next
week.
If
we
don't
have
anything
else,
really
pressing
would
be
to
sort
of
open
up
the
door
to
just
give
some
time
to
ourselves
to
say
you
know,
what
were
we
hoping
safe
would
be
able
to
do?
C
What
were
we
hoping
Eric
would
be
able
to
do,
and
then
we
can
reach
out
to
them
individually
and
see,
if
that's
the
kind
of
thing
that
they
you
know,
actually
are
interested
in
doing
right
and
Hope
getting
those
people
onto
this
call
or
a
similar
call
at
some
point.
But
as
it
stands,
you
know,
I
think
one
of
the
qualities
that
we
we
need
in
someone
who's
taking
on
the
leadership
role
is
being
present.
A
So
yeah,
that's
not
a
bad
idea
to
sort
of
focus
on
that,
maybe
for
our
next
meeting.
Let's,
let's
just
put
that
on
the
agenda
and
try
to
Define
our
list
of
needs
better
and-
and
we.
E
A
We
can
see
what
we
can
do
from
there
welcome
Gary
bud.
You
could
join
us.
E
A
Great
well
you're
more
than
welcome
this
is
our
weekly
Town
Hall,
where
we
just
kind
of
do
some
problem
solving
and
try
to
coordinate
our
activities
a
little
bit.
I'd
love
to
have
you
just
introduce
yourself?
If
you
don't
mind,
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
your
background,
where
you
are
how
you
found
us
and
what
you're
hoping
to
do
with
us.
E
Yeah,
okay,
Jeremy
thank
you,
I'm
in
Canada,
I'm,
hard
way
between
Toronto
and
Ottawa
area
and
I
got
involved
originally,
because
I
wanted
to
actually
I
was
involved
with
the
organization
in
Canada
called
Tetra
Society,
in
which
we
made
devices
for
people
with
disabilities
custom-made
devices
and
when
I
I
happened
to
come
across
the
enable
website
and
got
very
interested
in
it
and
since
that
time
now,
I've
actually
just
this
morning,
I
got
the
okay
for
my
first
Phoenix
three
hand.
E
Oh
great
day,
I'm
underway
I
got
my
my
printer
and
learning
how
to
use
it,
of
course,
and
so
that's
a
little
where
I
am
I'm
I'm,
particularly
interested
in
and
crying
originally
trying
trying
trying
to
do
something
with
the
hands
for
the
ukrainians.
But
since
and
since
that
time,
of
course,
the
Endeavor,
where
we're
making
I'm
going
to
make
the
the
braces,
yeah
or
hands
and
palms
and
so
on.
E
So
that's
about
where
I'm
at
Jeremy.
A
Sounds
good
well
happy
to
have
you
here
and
I'm
actually
going
to
make
a
quick
adjustment
on
the
agenda
here,
because
I
do
want
to
get
do
not
have
that
Ukraine
project
in
here.
Yet
all
right,
I'm
going
to
put
that
up
here
before
we
start
talking
about
the
Lumia
stuff,
because
I
do
want
to
get
an
update
from
John
on
that.
A
So
we'll
talk
about
that
and
then
get
into
the
lumio
voting
stuff.
Let's
see
I
think
we
covered
everything
here
in
action
items
then
so
on
we
go
I,
guess
I,
real,
quick
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
and
have
everyone
do
introductions
here,
Gary
just
in
the
interest
of
time,
but
Rick
is
the
one
that
you
might
have
heard
from
on
your
your
submission.
For
the
Phoenix
hand,
he's
reviewing
those
he's.
Also
he's
also
running
our
help
desk
and
and
helping
a
lot
behind
the
scenes.
I.
E
Myself
something
I've
met
Rick
and
the
the
new
members
meeting
a.
A
A
Shull,
who
you
see
walking
there
and
myself
we're
both
co-founders
from
years
back
and
we
do
whatever
we
can
to
support
the
community
Adam
Jennings.
There
is
the
A
on
your
screen
and
he's
been
really
helping
in
a
lot
of
key
areas.
Lately
he
has
both
a
a
medical
professional
background,
as
well
as
a
sort
of
a
process,
engineering
background,
and
so
he's
been
really
key
to
help
us
get
our
act
together
in
a
number
of
different
areas,
in
particular,
working
on
coordinating
help
for
Afghanistan
and.
A
Yeah
Sarah
Sarah
gelbard
is
taking
over
the
role
that
used
to
be
handled
by
a
gentleman
named
Ben
Rubin,
who's
who's
moved
on
to
a
full-time
teaching
position
which
deals
with
media
coordination.
Helping
us
to
you
know,
coordinate
all
these
different
groups
that
we
have
going
in
different
meetings
and
making
sure
that
we're
connecting
the
dots
between
what
one
group
is
doing
in
another
and
and
that
sort
of
thing
so
she's
been
really
key
in
helping
to.
A
Good,
okay!
Well,
so
on
we
go
real,
quick
review
of
the
metrics
because
I
don't
think,
there's
anything
really
significant
to
call
attention
to
here,
except
that
there
was
really
less
than
usual
activity
on
the
Hub
I.
Guess
very
few
in
fact.
No
likes
and
and
no
new
topics
now
I
think
that's
because
this
is
one
of
those
things.
Ben
was
doing
so
I
guess
Sarah!
Maybe
you
haven't
taken
this
on
yet
we
need
someone
to
go
through
and
actually
add.
A
C
A
Topics:
topics
there:
it
is
too
okay
Rick.
What
are
you
looking
at
because
I'm
seeing
two
topics
and
eight
yeah
I,
don't
know
and.
B
A
A
Just
before
today
so
make.
A
Yeah,
that
would
make
sense
all
right,
so
we'll
disregard
those
those
numbers.
I
guess
the
activity
was
more
typical.
A
Maybe
no
big
deal
if
you
would
just
update
that
in
the
spreadsheet,
maybe
for
the
that
past
week,
so
we
have
historical
data
number
of
active
chapters.
We
don't
really
know
about,
because
we're
still
trying
to
work
our
way
through
that
audit,
and
we
already
know
the
enable
fund
balance
is
getting
down
into
the
range
where
we
need
to
start
fundraising
again.
I
actually
didn't
find
any
posts
that
I
wanted
to
call
attention
to
this
week.
There
just
wasn't
really
a
lot
of
commenting
or
activity
on
on
post
this
week.
A
D
I
am,
but
it's
being
time
shifted,
okay,
I
think
to
Thursday
Sarah.
Can
you
confirm
that
we've
done
that
and
update
us
on?
Has
the
calendar
for
the
month
gone
out
and
is
it
aligned.
A
A
F
The
the
calendar
has
has
not
gone
out.
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
had
a
time
set
for
Thursday
that
works
for
everyone
and
then
also
for
November
25th.
The
focus
follow-up
works
up.
The
presenters
are
listed
as
Ward
Holloway
and
Andrew
Kaiser
I,
followed
up
with
both
of
them.
Ward
is
unable
to
present
and
I
have
not
heard
back
from
Andrew,
so
Wonder.
A
Those
are
I,
I,
don't
know
where
you
got
those
names
from
Sarah,
but
that's
like
a
year
old.
Those
guys
haven't
been.
F
A
A
F
A
Really
been
plugged
in
for
for
quite
some
time:
okay,
so
I,
don't
think
that's
necessarily
the
pla
I'm
I'm,
the
one
that's
supposed
to
have
taken
over
the
focus
follow-up
meetings
as
far
as
running
them
and
I
I
was
actually
going
to
bring
that
up
today,
because
I
don't
have
any
good
candidates
for
this
month's
presentation.
I
was
going
to
ask
what
people
thought
so
I'm
I'm
happy
to
you
know
when
it
post
it,
but
foreign.
A
A
Give
ourselves
this
month
to
figure
out
a
new
process
for
those
okay,
I
I
tend
to
agree
so
Sarah.
Let's
take
the
focus,
follow-up
Workshop
off
the
calendar
for
this
month.
Just
just
cancel
that
if
you
will-
and
let
people
know
that
we'll
regroup
on
that
in
December
or
maybe
I,
don't
want
to
say
that,
because
that's
going
to
land
right
on
Christmas,
probably
right.
A
All
right
so
then,
so
then
you're
saying
that
this
week's
chapter
leader
meeting
the
one
coming
up
will
not
be
on
Monday.
It
will
be
on
Thursday.
F
A
D
F
A
All
right,
so,
let's
move
on
I
want
to
Dive
Right
into
our
topics
here,
because
I
I
want
to
make
sure
we
have
enough
time.
So,
let's,
let's
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
Ukraine
project
and
get
an
update
from
John.
A
C
Nothing
really
pressing
I've
had
a
couple
of
meetings
with
the
Helping
Hands
project.
I've
had
a
little
bit
of
trouble
getting
in
contact
with
my
folks
in
Kabul,
but
I'm,
hoping
that
the
volunteers,
stepping
in
from
the
University
of
North
Carolina.
What
is
it?
Ecu
I'm
going
to
be
grabbing
a
couple
of
basically
interns
that
looks
like
who
are
going
to
be
assisting
me
with
Logistics
there,
yeah
they've
they've
been
incredibly
helpful.
C
We've
been
communicating
with
black
and
yeah
they're
excited
to
to
be
a
part
of
it,
but
I
I
don't
have
any
updates,
but
I
did
want
to
check
with
Sarah
and
anyone
else.
If
you
could
help
me
get
in
touch
with
the
folks
in
Pakistan
with
a
grit
3D,
that's
really
the
the
big
Next
Step
before
we
we
can
commit
and
then
once
that's
in
place,
we
can
start
getting
a
plan
together
to
start
printing
I'm.
C
F
Either
I
can
follow
up
with
you
or
we
can
try
to
have
a
a
meet.
A
meeting
yeah.
F
A
Great
okay,
so
John,
why
don't
you
update
us
on
the
Ukraine
support
project,
or
does
it
have
a
better
name
than
that.
B
D
Comes
up
with
something
better,
so
David
Mazer
and
has
done
a
really
good
job.
His
web
page
is
still
being
tweaked,
but
I
think
it's
it's
good
to
go.
We
have
a
press
release
which
is
in
your
inbox
this
morning,
which
actually
I
need
a
number
I
can
plug
in
for
enable
has
XX
volunteers
and
chapters
in.
Why
why
countries,
or
something
like
that,
where
has
just
how
many
countries
are
our
Volunteers
in
chapter
10.,
I.
D
Sarah,
can
we
put
that
on
your
plate,
I'm
I'm,
going
to
be
traveling
a
lot
in
the
next
few
days,
just
check
the
door
report
and
plug
in
a
number
into
the
document
that
I
sent
this
morning,
and
so
that's
sort
of
sitting
just
about
ready
to
go.
Okay,
the
website
is
ready
to
go
I
think
the
addresses
are
rectified
this
week,
Gary
and
several
other
people
we're
going
to
try
to
follow
the
download
and
print
instructions
and
I
haven't
heard
back
as
to
whether
they
did
how
about
you,
Gary.
E
Yeah
actually
I
printed
each
of
the
braces
Palm
race
here,
for
example,
and
most
of
them
went
okay.
There
is
a
problem
on
my
particular
printer
that
I
couldn't
fit
the
dimensions
of
the
brace
that
that
they're,
given
it's
it's
beyond
240
millimeters,
so
there's
an
issue
there
in
my
case
or
anybody.
That's
at.
D
The
end
of
the
correspond
correspond
with
David
about
that
it.
It
may
just
require
a
an
amendment
to
the
FAQ
about
what
to
do
if
that
arises,
but
talk
to
David
about
that.
But
you
know
we're
getting
down
to
the
short
Strokes
at.
D
E
On
Monday
to
meet
her
Thursday
in
this
case,
that's
right,
but
in
any
case
this
one
that
I
printed
I
I
reduced
the
size.
It
was
shown
as
98
I've
reduced
it
to
83.
and
printed
it,
but
that
would
be
satisfactory.
I.
A
D
There's
a
a
button
on
that
web
page
that
says,
make
a
printing
label
that
you
then
take
to
the
post
office
and
send
have
you
done
that
and
tested
that
process.
E
A
D
A
A
D
Anyway,
I
would
like
to
know
that
that
entire
circuit
works
so
Gary.
If
you
can
just
go
through
that,
that
would
be
great
I
think
there
were
a
few
other
people
who
were
going
to
do
that.
We'll
compare
notes
at
Thursday's
chapter
leaders
meeting
we'll
probably
try
to
pull
a
trigger
after
Friday's
town
hall
meeting
one
week
from
now.
D
The
press
release
will
go
out
on
the
Newswire
and
then
we
have
to
figure
out
how
to
really
rattle
the
cages
within
the
enabled
community
and
I.
Think
the
answer
to
that
Sarah
is
going
to
be
a
special
email
to
everyone
on
our
list,
as
well
as
social
media
posts
in
the
hub
and
on
social
media
and
and
then
we
see
what
happens.
A
E
Okay,
I'll
look
after
the
the
postal
thing.
A
All
right
sounds
like
a
fun
project.
I,
you
know
get
my
printers
going
on
that.
Okay,
so
I
think
we
have
time
today
to
get
back
to
our
lumio
voting
process
discussion.
A
A
A
So
it's
supposed
to
go
up
as
a
discussion
thread
first,
and
so
we
talked
about
maybe
adjusting
permissions
within
the
lumio
platform,
so
that
people
can't
don't
even
have
the
ability
to
start
a
voting
proposal
that
that
we
would
have
to
an
admin
would
have
to
actually
approve
that
or
something
along
those
lines.
D
A
Know
pull
the
trigger
and
go
to
a
vote,
foreign
extensions
of
voting
deadlines.
We
need
to
figure
out
what
kind
of
rules
to
put
on
extensions
they
shouldn't
be
Limitless.
You
know
you
shouldn't
be
able
to
just
keep
extending
a
deadline
until
you
get
the
votes
that
you
need
to
pass
it.
So,
oh
and
I
think
I
said
one
week
before
we.
A
It
says
here
two
weeks
so
I
guess
we
talked
about
having
a
two-week
duration
for
voting
with
no
extensions
unless
admins
determine
that's
appropriate,
so
there
might
be
a
case
where
it
is
appropriate
to
extend,
but
that
should
be
a
discussion
here,
no
change
to
proposals
within
48
Hours
of
the
closing
deadline.
A
We
want
to
make
sure
people
have
a
chance
to
comment
and
or
change
their
vote,
so
we
don't
want
anything
to
be
changed
right
at
the
last
minute
after
people
have
already
cast
a
vote
for
what
they
understood
the
proposal
to
be
so,
we
talked
about
having
a
proposal
kind
of
locked
for
the
last
48
hours.
A
We
also
talked
about
maybe
having
a
rule
to
say
no
voting
on
your
own
proposals.
I.
We
never
really
decided
one
way
or
the
other
on
that,
but
you
know,
obviously,
if
somebody
is
going
to
vote
on
their
own
proposal,
they're
going
to
vote
in
favor,
so
it
seems
like
it
kind
of
skews
things.
I
I
personally
would
like
to
say
it's.
It's
probably
best
to
say
we
don't
vote
on
our
own
proposals,
but
that's
something.
A
That's
up
for
discussion
and
another
thing
that
we've
seen
is
people
going
out
to
recruit
sort
of
non-active,
enable
people
so
just
going
and
recruiting
friends
and
people
on
social
media
to
say,
hey,
please,
come
and
vote
on.
A
My
proposal
help
me
get
this
passed
and
they
try
to
get
people
to
come
in
just
to
vote,
even
if
those
people
really
aren't
plugged
into
the
enable
community,
and
so
we
want
to
kind
of
think
about
what
are
the
rules
of
of
who
can
get
involved
in
this
voting
process
and
under
what
circumstances,
and
when
should
they
get
involved,
you
know,
should
they
have,
you
know
had
to
introduce
themselves
at
least
or
something
like
that.
We
have
to
kind
of
talk
about.
A
You
know
what
do
you
need
to
to
have
in
order
to
qualify
to
participate
in
the
voting
process,
and
so
we
started
to
talk
about.
Maybe
you
know
you
have
to
have
at
least
joined
the
Hub,
because
that
shows
that
you're,
probably
at
least
interested
in
being
part
of
what
we're
doing-
maybe
posting
an
introduction
about
yourself,
and
then
we
said
others.
So
those
are
the
really
the
two
things
that
we
had
talked
about.
A
Maybe
if
you've
done
those
two
things
at
least,
we
have
a
good
indication
that
you're
probably
serious
about
being
involved
in
at
that
point.
You're,
probably,
you
know
it's
probably
very
appropriate
that
you're
voting
on
proposals
in
Lumia
and
then
this
is
perhaps
the
most
important
aspect.
The
calculations
for
a
passing
vote
so
to
review
our
current
rules
are
this.
Each
project
proposal
must
receive
at
least
15
agree
votes
with
at
least
80
percent
of
the
total
votes
in
support
of
the
project
in
order
to
be
approved.
A
Okay,
so
that
part's,
clear
enough,
you
got
to
have
at
least
18
agree
votes.
So
if,
if
there
just
weren't
enough
votes,
if
you
only
had
10
total
votes,
it's
not
going
to
pass,
you
need
to
have
at
least
15
agree
votes
and
at
least
80
percent
of
the
total
needs
to
be
agreed.
So
if
you
have
15
agree-
and
you
know
five
disagree-
it
doesn't
pass
because
that's
not
80,
so
it
needs
to
be
eighty
percent
of
the
total
votes,
but
here's
the
catch.
The
wording
currently
is
for
determining
the
approval,
percentage,
abstain.
A
Votes
are
not
counted
in
the
total
at
all.
So,
if
you
have,
you
know,
if
you've
got
15
agree,
votes
and
you've
got,
you
know
maybe
10
people
that
voted
abstain
because
they
were
a
little
hesitant
but
not
quite
sure
which
way
to
go.
Those
votes
get
ignored.
They
don't
count
the
total
at
all
and
that
vote
would
pass
and-
and
we
actually
had
a
challenge
with
that-
not
too
long
back,
and
so
we
we
think
we
need
to
adjust
the
wording
on
this.
So
we
started
talking
about
proposed
rules.
A
A
Each
abstain
vote
counts
as
a
minus
one,
and
each
disagree
vote
counts
as
a
minus
two
and
the
reasoning
behind
that
was
that
when
people
abstain
from
a
vote,
it
really
seems
like
it's
usually
a
a
a
way
of
expressing
that
they
have
some
hesitancy,
that
they're
not
quite
convinced
that
it
should
be
supported,
but
they're,
not
ready
to
say
flat
out
no,
and
so
we
thought
that
should
probably
count
against.
You
know
as
a
minus
against
the
total.
A
But
I
disagree
is
somebody
that
feels
strongly
enough
to
kind
of
put
their
foot
down
and
say
no
I,
don't
think
this
should
go,
and
so
the
proposal
was
to
make
that
a
minus
two
but,
like
I,
said
this,
we
already
talked
and
and
the
the
discussion
was
that
it
probably
doesn't
make
sense
to
to
have
you
know
some
votes
count
as
more
than
others,
so
we
kind
of
ruled
that
option
out
option
two
was
each
project
proposal
must
have
at
least
15
agree
votes
and
at
least
80
percent
of
the
total
votes
in
support
of
the
project,
abstain,
votes
and
and
disagree
votes
would
be
treated
the
same.
A
So
if
you
have
15
agree,
votes
and
you've
got,
you
know
a
few
abstain
and
a
few
disagree.
Those
get
added
together
for
the
total
and
it's
a
question
of
whether
the
degree
votes
are
80
of
of
the
total
option.
Three
each
project
proposal
must
have
at
least
20
total
votes,
not
agree.
Votes,
total
votes
with
at
least
80
percent
of
the
total
votes
in
support
of
the
project.
In
order
to
be
approved,
ten
percent
or
more
disagree
votes
would
require
discussion
in
a
town
hall
meeting.
A
Now
this
is
it's
a
it's
a
little
bit
more
of
a
confusing
kind
of
a
a
rule,
I
guess
but
I
as
I
as
my
memory.
If
memory
serves
correctly,
this
was
the
one
that
we
I
think
we
were
kind
of
zeroing
in
on
in
our
last
discussion
is
the
one
that
people
seem
to
be
favoring
and
then
the
last
point
to
talk
about
is
how
a
black
vote
is
handled,
because
there
is
the
ability
to
vote
four
ways
in
Lumia.
A
A
D
It
yeah
I'm,
not
I'm,
abstaining
on
that
question
until
we
discuss
it
a
little
bit
further.
Okay,
fair
enough,
it
does
seem
to
me
that
you
know
there's.
First
of
all,
there
are
a
lot
of
ways
to
respond
to
those
to
revoke.
If
you
didn't
mention
the
dominant
response,
which
is
no
response
at
all,
that's.
A
D
It
seems
to
me
that
abstaining
that
is
more
meaningful
than
not
voting,
and
it
I
think
it
does
indicate
lack
of
support.
Well,.
A
A
E
C
You
need
to
pass
I
I
think
that
this
is
rehashing
the
conversation
we
had
about
this
last
time
by
by
bringing
up
this
point
but
and
apologies
if,
if
we're
just
circling
the
drain,
but
my
thought
is
that
abstaining
shouldn't
shouldn't
count
against
this
numerically,
except
to
increase
the
denominator
to
raise
the
threshold
for
the
that
the
total
number
of
positive
votes
is
required.
C
I
think
I
think
that's
the
extent
to
which
an
abstained
vote
should
should
take
away
from
from
a
a
total
tally,
I
think
reducing
the
numerator
in
that
way,
just
I
don't
know
just
feels
a
little
weird.
A
C
I
I
think
not
voting
at
all,
says
that
you
are,
you,
know,
kind
of
keeping
your
hands
out
of
it,
I
think
by
indicating
that
you're
quote
unquote.
Abstaining
says
that
you're
not
convinced
but
you're
not
opposed
to
it.
So
you're
just
you're
raising
the
threshold
a
little
bit
to
get
more
support
from
the
rest
of
the
community
without
taking
away
from
the
potential.
A
So
then,
in
this
third,
in
this
third
scenario,
like
you
said,
those
abstain,
votes
are
going
to
increase
the
total,
and
so
it
sort
of
it
makes
it
harder
to
achieve
the
80
that
you
need
in.
A
D
The
catch
is
that
these
formulas,
Etc
are
really
sort
of
hard
to
wrap
your
head
around
I
think
it
might
be
useful
to
try
to
come
up
with
a
phrase
for
each
option
that
captures
the
spirit
of
what
we're
doing
so.
Obviously,
a
vote
for
is
I,
am
in
favor.
Of
this
going
to
vote
against
is
I
think
this
should
not
go
through
I
abstain.
D
D
C
The
lines
of
just
saying
not
opposed
is
is
really
is
really
what
you're
saying,
because
it's
it's
not
saying
that
you
you
want
to
stay
out
of
it
entirely,
but
it
is
saying
that
you
you
want
to
you
know
you
are
not
convinced
of
the
the
validity
of
The
Proposal,
I
I,
don't
know,
I
mean
I've,
never
been
involved
in
and
or
or
read
up
on
any
of
the
theory
of
how
these
kinds
of
organizations
come
to
democratic
decisions.
In
this
way,
I
could
be
completely
completely.
D
A
Well,
I
mean
I
think
we
need
to
let
those
labels.
You
know
the
agree.
Abstain,
disagree,
Etc,
sort
of
speak
for
themselves,
because
people
aren't
very
good
at
following
definitions
anyway,
they're
gonna,
you
know
they're
gonna,
look
at
the
word
and
take
it
for
what
they
think.
It
means
anyway.
I
think
that
the
scoring
rules
are
what
need
to
sort
of
impose
the
meaning
right.
So
that's.
D
D
A
D
D
Okay
and
then
there's
a
okay.
A
A
So
remember
guys:
I
just
want
to
remind
us
that
we're
not
making
any
decisions
here
and
we're
not
changing
any
rules.
That's
not
our.
We
don't
have
any
authority
to
do
this.
All
we're
deciding
on
here
is
what
we
like,
and
that's
what
we're
going
to
put
forward
as
a
discussion
on
lumio
to
let
the
community
comment
on
and
eventually
vote
on,
so
the
community
will
decide
whether
or
not
we
go
in
this
direction,
but
we're
just
trying
to
decide
what
we
want
to
put
forward
as
a
suggestion
here.
Right.
D
So
I
think
that's
fine
and
you
know
it
will
of
course
do
this
according
to
the
old
rules.
Hopefully,
the
resolution,
which
may
be
modified
by
virtue
of
discussion
will
pass
according
to
both
the
Old
and
the
new
rules,
which
happens
when
you're.
You
know,
when
you've
got
widespread
support,
yeah.
A
For
the
block,
I
would
just
say:
unless
anyone
disagrees,
I'd
say
anybody
can
vote
to
block
and
if,
if
even
one
person
votes
to
block,
then
the
voting
cannot
be
closed
until
we
have
a
discussion
in
this
group
and,
of
course,
that
person
that
voted
block
is
expected
to
attend
that
discussion,
but
we
would
essentially
put
the
voting
on
on
pause.
A
C
A
Okay,
so
how
do
we
feel
about
putting
this
forward
as
a
proposal?
Folks
I
think
what
we're
clarif
well
I!
Guess
we're
not
done
so
we've
we
I
think
we've
come
to
a
more
or
less
an
agreement
on
the
calculation
which
we
just
talked
about,
so
I
won't
go
through
it
again
and
I
think
we've
come
to
an
agreement
on
how
to
handle
block
votes,
but
now
we
need
to
go
back
to
talk
about
these
other
points.
A
I,
don't
think,
there's
really
any
any
kind
of
debate
on
the
discussion
process
that
seems
to
be
working.
Is
everyone
still
happy
with
requiring
at
least
a
one-week
discussion
period
prior
to
voting?
I
haven't
heard
anyone
being
opposed
to
that
I.
A
A
Do
you
want
to
look
at
that
for
us?
What
do
you
want
me
to
see
if.
A
All
right
and
then
okay,
so
discussion
I
think
it
sounds
like
everyone's
okay,
with
we're
still
going
to
have
a
one
week,
discussion
period,
we're
gonna
see
if
we
can,
you
know
enforce
that
by
preventing
people
from
starting
a
vote
themselves,
but
either
way,
whether
it's
by
policy
or
by
that
kind
of
control,
we'll
stick
with
the
one
week
discussion
period
prior
to
a
vote
extension
of
voting
deadlines.
A
D
You
know
the
problem
with
two
weeks
is
that
it
slows
the
process
down
a
lot.
What.
A
A
So
do
we
want
to
say
it
should
be
10
days
period,
or
it
should
be
no
more
than
10
like
what?
How
do
we
want
to
originally
want
to
be
on
the
voting
period?
A
Yeah
I'm,
not
gonna,
I,
think
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
put
that
as
kind
of
a
more
General.
A
Of
these
rules
can
be
amended
or
adjusted.
You
know
as
needed
by
a
a
discussion,
but
otherwise
what
do
you
so
John
says
10
days
for
voting
any
other
one
have
thoughts
on
this
and
what
about
the
40?
What
about
the
limitation
on
no
changes
within
48
Hours
of
the
close
are.
D
It
is,
and
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
second
bullet.
I
think
that's
a
good
idea.
F
I,
don't
I
know
that
I've
I've
been
in
the
the
space
long
enough
to
you
know:
I
I,
don't
know
no.
A
Yeah
just
feel
free
to
chime
in
any
time
Rick
have
you
ever
used
the
lumio
process
for
anything.
B
Once
I
I
only
voted
one
time
and
I
have
to
be
honest
with
you,
I
didn't
know
what
I
was
doing.
I
came
into
the
thing,
because
I
was
invited
and
I
read
through
everything
and
foreign.
B
A
Problem,
okay,
so
does
any
I,
it
sounds
like
we
have
a
comfort
level
on
these
points.
Should
we
move
on?
Are
we
going
to
say
10
calendar
days
for
voting
and
no.
D
A
C
A
A
D
A
C
That
that's
I
think
that's
exactly
what
it'd
be.
The
problem
is
that
we
don't
have
a
defined
process
for
submitting
proposals,
so
you
know
we
we
have
to
sort
of
arbitrarily
create
a
roll
whole
cloth.
C
A
I
think
that
that'll
take
care
of
that.
If
we,
if
we
just
phrase
it
that
way,
okay
and
then
how
about
recruiting
people
from
outside,
enable
to
vote
on
proposals
and
I
with
this
next
piece
here,
I
think
we
kind
of
were
putting
this
forward
as
a
way
of
dealing
with.
D
F
A
So
so
the
idea
here
is,
if
we
say
you
know,
in
order
to
participate
in
our
Lumia
voting
process.
Maybe
we
say
you
need
to
have
these
two
badges.
You
need
to
have
had
the
join
the
Hub
badge
and
you
need
to
have
the
introduced
self
badge.
Those
are
two
badges
that
we
already
have
established
it
already
gives.
You
know
somebody
like
Rick
a
chance
to
verify
that.
Yes,
this
person
has,
you
know,
introduced
themself
and
you
know
that
badge
gets
awarded.
So
that
would
be
one
way.
John.
C
A
But
at
the
same
time
we
talked
about
this
last
time
if
somebody
does
put
together
a
proposal
and
then
goes
and
sort
of
finds
people
that,
like
are
passionate
about
what
they
want
to
do
and
brings
them
into
the
community
specifically
to
help
with
that
project.
We
don't
want
to
discourage
that
right.
We
yeah,
so
you
know
if
they
really
want
to
get
involved
and
we
want
them
to
come.
C
In
this
is
the
one
that
I
had
a
problem
with
yeah,
because
yeah
engagement
is
our
number
one
problem
for
where
I
stand,
and
this
is
a
bar
to
engagement
based
on
something
that
has
happened.
One
time
I
think
that
if
this
becomes
a
recurring
problem,
we
we
get
a
little
bit
more
Draconian,
but
as
it
stands,
we
need
to
open
things
up.
We
don't
need
to
close
things
off
right.
A
Now
so
maybe
maybe
this
is
best
handled
with
with
some
softer
language
instead
of
taking
it
from
a
rule
point
of
view,
maybe
we
just
have
a
statement
somewhere
in
our
where
our
language,
where
we're
laying
out
these
rules,
that
look,
you
know
you're
voting
on
fund
allocation
for
our
community.
If
you're
voting,
you
know,
we
kind
of
expect
you
to
be
participating
in
the
community,
so.
B
D
C
So
about
setting
about
setting
hurdles
in
place,
I
think
that
a
fair
one
would
be
granting
access
to
Romeo
upon
receipt
of
the
two
badges
that
Jeremy
mentioned.
If
that's
something
that
can
be
gate
kept
on
the
the
back
end.
A
No,
no
that's
an
interesting
idea.
I've!
Never
thought
about
that.
Before
right
now,
people
have
to
kind
of
find
their
way
themselves
to
the
lumio
platform
and
the
voting
process,
and
they
have
to
sign
up
and
all
that
I
like
that
idea
of.
When
they've
achieved
certain
badges,
we
send
them
an
email,
saying:
hey!
Congratulations.
You've
now
achieved
this
Milestone.
We
now
would
like
to
invite
you
to
join
into
this
process
and.
C
D
I
I
I
agree.
We
might
also
extend
that
to
people
who've
joined
in
the
last
six
months
or
something
just
to
beef
up
the
system.
If
the
so
that's
fine,
that's
also
an
opportunity
for
there
to
be
a
subtle
procedural
lag
in
the
process.
A
That
well
I
was,
as
I
was
just
thinking
that
might
be
a
discussion
to
have
with
masby,
because
there's
probably
a
fairly
easy
way
of
tying
into
the
badge
authorization
platform
he's
already
built.
Where
once
this
happens,
and
this
happens,
then
it
would
trigger
an
email
based
on
this
template
I.
It
could
probably
be
automated
I,
don't
know.
C
E
A
And
it
gives
us
a
trigger
point
like
because
it
does
let
you
automate
it,
whereas
without
tying
it
to
a
badge,
it
becomes
a
manual
human
process.
Somebody
has
to
track
it
and
do
it
I'm.
Just
saying
the
badges
give
you
an
automated
mechanism
that
as
soon
as
this
badge
is
issued,
you
could
have
it
automatically
trigger
this
email
to
invite
them
to
this.
A
A
Okay,
so
where
were
we
so
we're
kind
of
it
sounds
like
we're,
leaning
towards
not
imposing
rules
for
people
joining,
but
maybe
extending
an
invite
to
them,
specifically
after
they've
achieved
certain
badges.
So
what
what?
If
somebody
finds
their
way
to
lumio
before
they've,
reached
that
point?
They
don't
yet
have
those
badges
they
just
go
and
sign
up
for
Lumia.
Are
we
saying
we
don't
let
them
in
until
they've
gotten
these
two
badges.
A
D
A
C
All
right
have
a
good
day:
bye,
oh
and
actually
Thunder
going.
Is
tomorrow
I'll,
let
you
know
you.
A
D
D
A
Me
go
ahead
and
put
that
on
here.
We
won't
do
it
until
after
these
things,
but
I'll
say
Jeremy
and
John
draft
lumio
discussion,
Thread
about
new
proposed
voting.
D
Jeremy,
it
was
very
good
of
you
to
preserve
those
notes
and
to
lead
this
discussion.
I
think
we
we
finally
made
some
progress
here
and
I
appreciate
you
too
yeah
and
no
tea
going
unpunished.
Thank
you
for
doing
that.
Research
on
Lumia.
You
got
it.