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From YouTube: Weekly e-NABLE Town Hall Meeting - March 10, 2023
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A
I
was
just
gonna
say
this
should
be
pretty
quick,
because
I
have
done
nothing
on
this
list
and
if
you
haven't
either
I
think
skip
this
entirely
this
week,
because
we've
all
been
busier
than
hex
so
and
I
know
Adam
did
his,
but
we
are
still
waiting
for
a
response.
He's
tried
a
couple
times
to
reach
out
to
Brent,
but
we're
still
trying
to
get
an
answer
on
that
stuff,
but
the
rest
of
these
are
just
on
hold.
So,
let's
just
move
on
the
enable
metrics.
Okay,
thank
you.
A
So
much
Rick
I,
hope
you're
doing
well
out
there.
If
you're
hearing
this
and
I
hope
you're
back
with
us
soon
and
nothing
big
change
in
here
right
now,
everything's,
looking
good
healthy
fund
and
the
healthy
balance
enable
fund
and
I
I
want
to
leave
as
much
time
for
discussion
today
as
I
can
so
I'm
going
to
move
on
Sarah.
If
you
do
have.
C
A
chance
I
did
put
posts
from
The
Hub
this
week
in
there.
So
if
you
refresh
it,
maybe
they'll
show
up.
A
B
A
Seen
that
before
that's
interesting,
thank
you
so
much
Sarah
here
we
go
Louisa
Venezuela
I'm,
going
to
try
to
move
a
little
quickly
on
these
because,
like
I
said,
we
do
have
some
things.
I
want
to
talk
about,
but
let's
see,
if
I
can
digest.
What's
going
on
here
quickly,
so
Luis
recently
our
school
bought
a
3D
printer
I
want
to
start
making
enabled
designs
already
printed
the
Phoenix
hand
have
a
12
year
old
who
needs
this
model,
but
when
we
scale
the
arm
won't
fit
about
our
printing
bed.
A
Okay,
So
Adam
sounds
like
you're
after
great
star,
you
know,
Jeremy
I,
don't
know
I'm,
not
really
nice
people
might
be
able
to
point
in
the
right
direction.
Okay,
so
is
it?
Are
we
mainly
talking
about
the
size
of
the
parts
on
their
printer
and
how
to
split
them?
We
had
somebody
else
with
a
similar
question,
I'm
trying
to
skim
here.
So
if
anyone's
read
this
help
me
out.
Okay,
someone
thank
you.
Adam!
Keep
you
posted
large
part.
Okay,
here
we
go
so
Chris
is
saying.
A
The
largest
part
is,
can
be
printed
in
two
parts
using
a
clever
comb
design.
There
are
references
to
it
somewhere
on
here,
okay,
so
it
sounds
like
somebody's
already
done.
A
That
sort
of
I
think
he's
talking
about
that
sort
of
dovetail
sort
of
interlocking
version
and
I
think
I
mentioned
this
last
time
that
I
found
this
stuff
called
3D
gloop,
which
I
have
not
tried,
but
my
brother
just
got
some
and
he's
been
very
impressed
with
it
when
I
mean
I
I
showed
this
last
time,
but
you
know
that
I
think
that
that
little
animation
there
shows
it
all.
So
that
might
be
some
something
that
could
help
when
it
comes
to.
A
You
know
connecting
these
these
parts,
if
you
need
to
print
in
multiple
pieces,
so
I'll
just
throw
that
back
out
there
again.
Let
me
get
back
to
the
where's
my
Hub
page.
Here
we
go,
there's
the
STL
file
that
I
created
and
used,
so
they
shared
the
the
split
version.
Let's
see
if
we
can
pull
it
up,
real
quick.
A
Okay
and
here's
a
thingiverse
link
there,
we
go
okay,
forearm
joint
for
unlimited
arm.
Now,
that's
interesting
that
that
actually
wasn't
the
part
I
was
expecting,
but
that's
the
biggest
part.
Okay,
okay,
well
great
I
mean
I.
I
can't
tell
if
I'm
looking
at
this.
A
If
that
would
solve
the
problem
that
was
reported
or
not,
but
if
it
does
great,
but
that's
the
general
idea,
I
think
is
split
the
part
and
if
even
if
that
part
didn't
exist
again,
I
I,
think
and
I
haven't
confirmed
this
for
myself,
but
I
suspect
that
if
you
just
did
a
straight
cut,
which
you
can
do
in
all
kinds
of
free
software
programs
out
there,
you
don't
even
need
to
get
into
CAD.
A
There
are
mesh
editing
tools
that
you
can
just
do
a
a
planar
cut
and
if
you
just
cut
down
the
middle
on
a
park
and
split
it
into
two
pieces
and
then
use
that
3D
gloop
stuff
to
bond
them
back
on
that
flat,
surface
I
can't
help,
but
wonder
if
that
would
be
every
bit
as
strong
as
the
rest
of
the
park.
I
think
it
would
break
elsewhere
before
it
would
break
on
the
seam.
So
just
something
else
to
think
about
if,
if
another
part
needs
to
be
split,.
B
Whatever
it
is,
seems
to
feel
that
they've
gotten
the
help
they
needed,
so
the
Hub
has
worked.
You
could
move
on,
but
Sarah
you
might
just
leave
them
a
note
mentioning
that
we
discussed
and
endorsed
this
during
our
town
hall
meeting
terrific.
A
I'll
move
to
the
next
one
ADI
or
Addie
I,
don't
know
how
to
pronounce
that
having
trouble
with
the
V3
Phoenix
Prince,
everything
similar
to
everything,
fine,
it
came
to
the
tensioner
blocks
and
pins
the
block
slides
in
the
arm
guard
well,
but
the
pins
won't
go
in
properly.
It's
very
resistant
I've
run
into
this
too,
and
this
this
usually
has
to
do
with
with
with
printer
tolerances.
But
that
is
something
that
we
might
even
want
to
adjust
to.
A
I've
noticed
this
also,
sometimes
that
the
exactly
the
same
thing
either
the
pins
can
be
a
little
bit
tight,
sometimes
or
the
block
itself
trying
to
slide
it
on
to
the
the
back
of
the
cuff
piece
that
goes
over.
The
forearm
can
also
be
a
little
bit
tight
at
times
you
can
fix
that
pretty
easily
easily
with
a
little
bit
of
post-processing.
You
know
a
little
bit
of
sanding
on
the
sides
of
the
pins
just
to
shave
down
the
sides,
a
bit
same
thing
with
that
block.
A
If
you
need
to
to
get
it
in
just
a
little
bit
of
of
you,
know,
sanding
or
otherwise
to
just
just
you
know,
loosen
it
up
a
little
bit.
But
if
you're
aware
once
you're
aware
of
that
that,
like
hey,
you
know,
my
experience
with
this
particular
printer
is
that
those
pieces
are
tight.
The
next
time
you
print
them
I
would
suggest
just
scaling
the
the
tensioner
block
up
by
a
couple
of
percent
that
will
help
it
to
slide
on.
A
That
would
actually
be
really
interested
in
having
others
test
that
and
see
if
we're
seeing
consistent
results
on
that,
but
that's
how
you
can
fix
it
as
a
workaround.
Until
we
get
to
that
point,
you
can
just
scale
up
that
block
piece
by
one
or
two
percent
I'm,
guessing
that
that's
sort
of
what
people
are
saying
here:
yeah
screws
won't
screw
into
the
tensioner
block
properly
yeah
screws.
A
If
you
know,
because
the
Phoenix
is
not
a
parametric
design,
meaning
that
when
you
scale
it
up
or
down
everything
scales
up
or
down,
including
the
screw
holes,
we
can
never
be
guaranteed
that
the
screw
holes
are
going
to
end
up
at
a
size.
That's
a
good
fit
for
the
discrete
sizes
of
screws
that
are
available.
So
you
may
find
that
your
screws
are,
you
know,
one
size
of
screw
is
a
little
bit
too
big
and
the
next
size
down
is
a
little
too
small.
A
In
that
case,
what
I've
done
is
just
use
a
drill
you
know
of
of
appropriate
size,
so
you
can
just
enlarge
the
hole
just
a
tiny
bit
so
that
that
you
know
that
next
step
up
screw
will
will
fit
in
there.
Just
fine.
You
just
want
the
the
threads
of
the
screw
to
be
able
to
bite
into
the
plastic
a
little
bit,
but
you
know
not
so
much
that
it's
going
to
break
on
the
land.
Anyone
else
yeah.
D
Yeah
this
is
this
is
sort
of
like
a
an
overarching
question
not
specific
to
this,
but
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
how-to
videos,
I'm,
sorry,.
D
About
how-to
videos-
and
you
know,
tutorials
on
the
site
yeah
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
do
we
have
like,
at
the
very
least
like
a
running
list
of
like
common
issues
that
people
will
run
into
when
printing
hands,
specifically
things
that
might
be
unique.
A
Probably
nothing
that
is
been
updated
in
probably
eight
or
nine
years
and
yeah.
It's
an
excellent
idea.
It's
an
excellent
idea.
I
mean
I've
done
videos,
including
a
full
assembly
tutorial
for
the
Phoenix,
but
the
kinds
of
things
I
just
talked
about
I
did
not
talk
about
in
that
video.
So
that's
an
excellent
idea.
Yeah.
D
I
think
a
good
starting
point
for
that.
If
that
were
a
project
we
wanted
to
tackle
on
2023
with
just
having
like
some
kind
of
like
resource
library
or
Learning
Hub
would
be
just
collecting
info.
You
know
kind
of
combing
through
the
Hub
The
Forum
and
looking
for
questions
that
people
tend
to
be
asking
or
searching
for
those
rather
a.
A
Yeah
we're
gonna
this
we're
just
getting
started
with
Trello.
That's
what
we'll
talk
about
that?
Okay
I
think
we
can
move
on
right,
good,
okay!
Next
one
up
here
is
Isaac
also
about
a
phoenix
hand.
Yes,
I'm,
printing,
the
Phoenix
V3
hands
for
my
bar
mitzvah
project
I'm,
having
trouble
with
the
bridging
on
the
palm
even
with
supports
it
comes
out
really
bad,
okay.
Well,
so,
basically
the
answer
is:
that's
no
problem.
Don't
worry
about
it!
Don't
let
that
bother
you
because
number
one!
You
know
that's
just
kind
of
how
printers
work
now.
A
First
of
all,
a
lot
of
this
has
to
do
with
the
calibration
of
the
printer
and
the
materials
and
the
settings
are
being
used
and
I
would
be
happy
to
work
with
this
person
to
talk
about
settings
that
you
can
use
to
improve
this
and
it's
a
with
through
some
tweaking
optimization.
You
can
get
this
to
look
a
little
bit
better,
but
it's
always
even
the
best
printer.
It's
always
going
to
look
a
little
messy
on
that
Underside
and
it's
okay
cleaning
up
the
best
you
can
with
a
tool.
A
You
know
you
can
you
can
scrape
at
it,
you
can
you
can
use
sandpaper,
you
can
use
whatever
to
just
kind
of
clean
up
the
the
messy
Parts
a
little
bit,
but
ultimately,
but
when
this
hand
is
assembled
before
it's
given
to
somebody,
there's
adhesive
foam
padding,
that's
going
to
cover
that
entire
interior
cavity
and
it's
going
to
cover
up
all
that
stuff
anyway,
you're
never
going
to
see
it
you're
never
going
to
feel
it.
So
it's
really
not
a
deal.
A
A
I
happen
to
have
just
I'm
going
to
stop
my
screen
for
sure,
for
one
second
I
mean
I
just
printed
one
for
a
a
teacher
and
I.
This
was
printed
on
a
an
an
8
000
3D
printer,
it's
a
very
high-end,
3D
printer,
it's
a
nice
looking
print
as
you
can
see
real
nice
quality.
Everything
printed
great,
but
look
at
the
look
at
the
inside
I.
Don't
know
if
I
can
get
the
light
in
there,
but
look
at
how
much
mess
I
have
in
there.
A
Anyone
else
have
comments
here:
okay,
let's
move
on
another
phoenixing
question.
Wow
all
right,
Jesus
excited
to
be
in
front
of
my
school
become
a
newly
enabled
chapter.
I
hope
we
do
some
good
swimming
we're
currently
testing
the
ropes
of
Phoenix
V2
and
it's
coming
out
great
and
it
looks
great
so
this
was
just
a
show
and
tell
thank.
A
A
Please
do
submit
this
if
you
haven't
already
through
our
badging
system,
just
go
up
here
on
the
Hub
to
badges
you'll
go
down
to
the
maker
section
here:
you'll
select,
Phoenix,
V2
and
you'll
click
on
claim
this
badge
and
fill
out
the
form
with
the
evidence
that
it's
asking
for
down
here,
we'll
get
you
a
badge,
and
it
looks
great
to
me,
though,
looks
like
they
did
a.
Let
me
go
back
to
it.
Real
quick
looks
like
they
did
a
nice
job.
The
only
thing
I
would
call
attention
to.
A
Maybe
is
the
angle.
This
is
an
important
thing
and
it's
a
very
common
issue
with
new
members
of
our
community.
This
is
assembled
a
little
bit
flat,
in
other
words
the
the
plane
of
the.
If
you
think
about
the
plane
of
the
base
of
the
Palm,
it's
pretty
well
parallel
with
the
forearm
piece,
and
we
really
want
there
to
be
an
angle
of
maybe
about
35
degrees
or
so
between
those
two.
So
that,
when
you're
wearing
this
device,
your
sort
of
natural
resting
position
is
just
how
it
is.
A
You
know,
with
your
own
hand,
you
know
we
don't
you
know,
it's
our
hand,
isn't
like
this.
Naturally,
it's
it's.
You
know
kind
of
rests
at
a
a
bit
of
an
angle,
and
so
we
want
when
they
have
to
bend
to
act
actuate
the
device.
We
don't
want
them
to
have
to
come
from
this
position
and
bent
way
down
where
it's
uncomfortable.
We
want
them
to
be
able
to
come
from
a
comfortable
position
to
be
able
to
come
down
within
a
range,
that's
comfortable,
so
we
want
that.
A
All
you
have
to
do
is
tighten
up
those
non-flexible
chords
a
little
bit
on
each
one
of
them
until
you
have
the
the
sort
of
the
natural
resting
position
of
the
device
where
the
the
the
cuff
the
forearm
pieces
inclined
a
bit
like
I,
said
about
30
35
degrees
and
that
will
work
better
and
be
more
comfortable
for
the
user.
Anyone
else
have
any
comments
on
this.
E
D
A
All
right,
that's
great.
A
team
of
14
students
love
to
build
robots,
help
others
through
stem
part
of
this
effort,
muting
healthy
service
projects
wondering
if
we
can
help
fabricate
and
assemble
3D
printed,
Prosthetics,
great
okay,
willing
to
cover
any
Associated
costs
and
assemble
the
device
ourselves
or,
if
they're,
alternate
ways
to
support
your
project,
which
I'm
sure
there
are
we've
also
done
similar
projects
before
during
the
pandemic
we
made
and
donated
a
bunch
of
PPE,
great
great
okay,
so
Adam
wonderful,
already
jumped
in
here.
Well,
you've
already
read
this
and
responded.
D
Yeah
I
I
provided
a
pretty
lengthy
response,
because
I
was
still
hopped
up
on
all
the
things
we
had
discussed
last
week,
but
it
sounds
like
a
pretty
motivated
group.
I
checked
out
their
website.
It
looks
like
it's
a
a
standing
team
that
Cycles
students
through
is
the
impression
that
I'm
getting
so
it's
like
it's
it's
at
this
high
school
and
they
have
a
certain
number
of
spots
on
the
team.
Each
year
they
seem
to
be
pretty
darn
skilled
on
the
robotic
side,
so
I
directed
them
to
the
bionic
space.
D
They
were
interested
in
learning
more
generally
about
enable
I
directed
them
to
the
town
hall
recordings,
they're,
not
able
to
join
the
town
halls
because
they
could
look
at
their
schoolwork,
but
I
also
directed
them
to
some
of
our
targeted
relief
efforts.
The
European
Aid
space
that
John's
set
up
and
the
Afghanistan
initiative
and
provided
some
general
information
there,
but
that
that's
about
it.
But
they
seem
like
a
really
good
group
of
kids
and
pretty
motivated
to
to
offer
assistance.
A
That
is
just
wonderful
and
I
gotta,
say
I
I
wish
we
had
add
a
mechanism
to
provide
this
kind
of
a
welcome
to
everybody
that
comes
into
our
community
and
to
provide
this
kind
of
of
guidance
and
everything
there's
no
way
a
single
person
like
Adam
could
do
that.
Well,
certainly
Adam
can't
maybe
another
single
person
could
but
I
just
want
to
call
our
attention
to.
This
is
a
great
example
of
what
we've
talked
about
in
terms
of
improving
that
onboarding
experience
and
helping
people
to
get
where
they
need
to
go.
A
D
E
A
Couldn't
agree
more
and
Adam
you
and
I
got
a
circle
background
on
that.
I
owe
you
a
response
to
an.
A
So
I
I
and
I
already
actually
reached
out
to
a
friend
of
mine,
who
is
an
exceptionally
good
developer,
my
previous
business
partner
and
and
just
kind
of
gauged
if
he
had
any
interest,
because
we've
talked
recently
about
development
opportunities,
around
chat,
GPT
and
so
I
kind
of
just
put
a
feeler
out
to
see
if
this
might
be
something
he'd
be
able
to
help
with,
and
unfortunately,
he's
not
going
to
have
bandwidth,
but
just
so
that
you
know
I
I,
you
know,
I
have
been
thinking
a
lot
about
that
and
already
put
put
some
feelers
out
there.
D
I
think
there
there
are
a
lot
of
companies
that
it
like
in
the
last
week,
have
released
their
own
like
shoot
like
grammarly
Duolingo.
All
of
these,
these
apps
are
integrating
some
kind
of,
if
not
Chachi,
petite
powered
some
large
language
model.
That's
right.
Integration
and
I
think
at
the
very
worst,
just
kind
of
looking
around
at.
What's
out
there
now
to
steal
some
ideas,
but
might
be
a
good
way
to
start
couldn't.
A
Agree
more
I
I'm
trying
to
think
how
do
I
drop
that
down
here?
I
guess
maybe
AI
assisted
welcome
bot
say
that
again,
Adam
welcome
bot,
welcome
bot
nice
to
help
people
find
what
they
need.
Okay,
yes,
I'd
love
to
keep.
D
A
That
really
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
make
that
work.
That
one
is
exciting
to
me.
We're
going
to
talk
more
about
it.
I
agree.
Okay,
all
right!
So
upcoming
meetings,
I
didn't
even
have
a
chance
to
look
at
this.
What's
our
next
one
folks,
do
we
have
any
oh
wait?
We
have
March
events.
I
just
didn't
put
the
link
in
here-
I'm.
Sorry,
okay,
Wiki!
A
Oh
here
this
month,
oh
did
we
probably
didn't
update
this
right,
yeah,
so
I
probably
haven't
shown
you
this,
but
see
this
over
here.
I
actually
have
it
in
the
menu
Sarah.
This
month's
enable
meetings
which
is
just
a
copy
of
what's
down
in
the
wiki,
to
make
it
easier
for
people
to
find
so
we'll
want
to
get
in
the
habit
of
updating
this
as
well
and
I
can
show
you
how
to
do
that.
It's
just
it
in
when
you're
in
the
main
Forum
space.
C
I
I
published
the
documents
in
the.
C
F
A
A
And
if
you,
if
you
forget,
I,
went
through
that
quickly,
I'd
be
happy
to
show
that
to
you
later,
okay,
so
let's
just
jump
down
here
to
the
wiki
events.
There
we
go,
oh,
and
by
the
way
you
can
always
reor
see
the
little
sandwich
on
the
left.
Here
we
can
always
reorder
these
to
make
the
order
where
we
want
so
here's
March.
A
Okay,
so
we've
got.
Where
are
we
we're
at
the
10th?
So
on
Monday
we
have
the
chapter
leaders
meeting
led
by
John
anything
special
report
on
that
one
John.
What
do
you
plan
to
talk
about?
Well.
B
Actually,
no
actually
I'm
gonna
be
in
Ireland
Dublin
tonight,
yeah
with
my
94
year
old
mother,
I'm.
A
A
Right
the
17th
then,
which
is
next
Friday
we've
got
the
combined,
enable
education
and
new
member
Meetup
led
by
well
I
I,
don't
know,
is
Rick
still
going.
C
A
Ian,
okay,
great
so
Ian
will
take
the
lead
on
this.
One
I
want
I
should
try
to
join
that
because
I
have
it
on
my
list
to
get
updates
from
him
about
what
we're
doing
with
the
NIH
3D
print
exchange
and
our
device
catalog.
Maybe
that
would
be
a
good
time
to
check
in
with
him.
Okay,
so
we've
got
that
on
next
Friday,
then
we've
got
the
following:
Friday
March
24th
we've
got
the
bionic
Design
Group,
and
this
is
led
by
Vivek,
but
we
have
a
special
guest
Sarah
this
this
month.
A
See
so
this
is
a
call
for
the
guest
for
that
I
misunderstood
okay,
so
we
got
the
bionic
team
on
the
24th
and
then
recurring
Fridays,
of
course,
these
meetings
here.
So
that's!
What's
going
on
for
March
all
right
now
we
can
get
into
our
discussion
topics
all
right,
so
we
had
a
question
that
just
came
in
today,
which
I
already
copied
I
put
a
response
in
and
included
Adam,
but
I
want
to
go
through
this
today,
our
new
partners
at
the
Illinois
assistant,
Technology
Program,
sent
me
an
email,
saying:
hey.
A
We
got
this
inquiry
from
an
occupational
therapist
and
we'd.
Really,
you
know
welcome
any
input
from
you
guys
before
we
respond
so
the
inquiry
they
got
is
I'm
an
occupational
therapist
working
in
Illinois
early
intervention.
Today,
I
evaluated
a
little
boy,
who's
24
months
old.
He
was
born
without
fingers.
On
his
left
hand,
is
it
possible
to
find
a
device
such
as
enable
printed
for
such
a
young
kid
thanks.
A
My
preliminary
response
for
I'm
just
going
to
share
it
with
you
and
then
we'll
talk.
Kathy
I'll
bring
this
up
in
today's
Naval
town
hall
meeting
starting
a
short
while
person
I've
always
had
been
a
little
hesitant
to
make
devices
for
children
that
young
Their
little
bodies
are
still
developing
and
concerned
about
any
kind
of
device,
possibly
interfering
with
that
natural
growth.
A
Maybe
not
a
concern
in
this
case,
since
the
limb
difference
is
congenital
I'm,
not
sure,
but
my
bigger
concern
has
always
been
about
the
motivation
for
wanting
a
device
and
where
that
motivation
is
coming
from.
I
would
think
that
a
28
month
year
old,
has
no
concept
of
there
being
anything
wrong
and
feels
no
need
for
any
kind
of
a
device.
It
seems
to
me
that
it's
more
often
the
parents
wanting
to
do
something,
so
they
feel
like
they're,
helping
to
fix
some
kind
of
perceived
problem.
A
You
know
people
don't
like
being
seen
as
different
I'd
prefer
to
make
devices
for
people
who
themselves
have
come
to
the
decision
that
they
would
enjoy
having
one
or
that
it
might
help
them.
Do
things
they're
having
trouble
doing
and
I
doubt
that's
the
case
with
a
28
month
old.
Well,
those
are
just
my
personal
non-professional
views
I'll
bring
this
up
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
so
I'd
like
to
ask
Adam
for
his
thoughts
on
this
first.
But
of
course,
then
I'd
like
to
hear
from
everyone,
if
you're
able
to
talk
at
them.
D
This
this
is
where
I
run
into
a
wall
where
it's
crossing
the
line
from
an
organization
that
is
providing
assistance
into
something
that
feels
more
adjacent
or
directly
in
the
sphere
of
healthcare.
Yes,
and
that's
where
you
know,
these
kinds
of
determinations
are
typically
Guided
by
some
institutional
philosophy,
Mission
values
and-
and
you
know,
of
course,
state
and
federal
guidelines
on
on
the
subject
of.
Is
it
appropriate
to
supply
a
hand?
D
Where
is
the
motivation
coming
from
generally
when
I'm,
in
a
situation
where
I'm
dealing
with
a
pediatric
patient?
My
number
one
source
of
data
comes
from
the
parent?
If
the
the
child
is,
you
know,
pre-verbal
or
non-verbal,
then
the
the
caregiver
is
going
to
have
the
most
insight
into
their
kids
capabilities
and
what
they're
interested
in
in
this
case,
I
give
me
a
sec.
Let
me
think
I
think
we
are
not
providing
a
medical
device,
we're
we're
filling
a
requested
need
a
stated
need.
D
A
D
Yeah,
so
so
limb,
compliance
wear
compliance
well,
I
should
say
use
compliance
is
exponentially
higher
the
earlier
you
start.
D
So
so,
even
if
they're
not
functionally
using
the
device,
it
is
generally
better
to
get
them
acclimated
to
having
one
so
that
compliance
down
the
line.
Now,
if
it's
something
they
really
hate
there,
oh
boy
I,
hope
I'm,
not
getting
myself
in
hot
water.
With
this
there's
something
called
Aba,
which
is
the
type
of
therapy
where
you
kind
of
force
kids
to
do
things
or
avoid
doing
behaviors
that
are
undesirable.
D
I
am
extremely
against
ABA
and
some
OTS
incorporate
ABA
practices
into
what
they
do,
I'm,
not
at
all,
suggesting
that's
what
this
person
is
doing.
It's
pretty
rare,
yes,
but
I
would
just
say
that
this
is
really
not.
This
is
not
something
that
I
would
be
concerned
about
simply
handing
advice
over
but
caveat.
This
is
exactly
why
I
think
we
need
to
be
more
closely
integrated
into
the
care
team
as
our
standard
to
practice.
A
D
A
100
I,
just
I
think
that
whoever
Partners
should
have
some
conversations
and
just
kind
of
let
their
own
impression
guide
them.
I
think
we
need
to
just
remember:
we
are
not
Health
Care
Providers,
absolutely,
and
so
those
kinds
of
judgments
need
to
fall
into
the
care
team.
And
if
the
care
team
is
requesting
assistance,
then
we
can
I
think
make
that
decision
with
a
clear
conscience.
D
We
we
need
to
I
think
that
we
we
need
to
make
communication
with
a
part
of
the
Care
team
central
to
the
process
of
providing
a
hand
in
the
cases
where
we
continue
doing
that,
because
the
fact
that
we
do
not,
as
a
matter
of
course,
is
why
the
Healthcare
Community
is
hesitant
to
partner
with
with
an
organization
like
ours,
absolutely.
B
All
of
that
is
true,
but
we
have
also
been
advised
by
prosthetists
that
kids
younger
than
three
or
four
the
bones
are
soft,
and
so
a
concern
would
be
that
this
kid
actually
uses
this
thing
a
lot
and
my
then
potentially
deal
with
some
malformation
as
a
result
of
the
device.
So
we
have
typically
said
at
three
or
four
until
three
or
four
years
of
age.
They.
C
B
Know
that
they
that
they
have
an
interesting
condition,
they're
typically
not
concerned
about
this
I-
think
your
point
about
acclimating
them
and
giving
them
something
to
Aspire.
To
the
way
you
give
a
baby
doll
to
a
child
is
a
really
good
point,
but
I
would
well.
A
D
Right
and
the
Pediatric
OT
would
be
the
person.
I
would
trust
with
this,
and
you
know
who
happens
to
be
both
an
enabled
Community
member
and
a
pediatric
goatee
and
the
maker
it's
tainara
de
los
Santos
Bina
Brazil,
so
she
would
be
the
person
who
I
would
think
would
be
the
best
to
communicate
with
this
OT
figure
out
what
kids
functional
capacity
is
and
potentially
print
the
hand
if
she
has.
A
That's
a
great
idea:
do
you
think
she
would
mind
if
I
looped,
her
in
by
email
on
this
discussion,.
A
B
A
No
we're
already
into
the
big
topics
the
these
first
two
are
a
big
part
of
this,
so
thank
you
for
the
the
heads
up,
though
John
I
do
tend
to
lose
track
of
it.
Okay,
so
anything
else
on
this
atom
I.
That
was
really
helpful
and
I.
Think
that
gives
us
a
clear
path
forward.
Anything.
D
A
D
About
this
yeah,
so
we've
got
a
double
amputee
in
northeastern
Missouri
about
an
hour
north
of
St
Louis,
who
is
an
adult
with
some
developmental
disabilities.
So
it's
a
kind
of
complex
case
I
believe
there's
also
an
OT
involved
there,
Scout
Mary
who's,
the
head
of
the
Missouri
assistive
technology
program
and
the
almost
my
neighbor
as
it
turns
out,
is
the
gentleman
who
who
brought
my
attention
to
this
case,
or
rather
brought
this
case
in
my
attention.
D
So
this
is
a
case
in
which
you
know
I
think
somebody
with
some
skill
would
be
really
helpful.
It's
kind
of
unclear
he's
doing
a
little
bit
of
fact
finding
from
the
social
worker
Who's
involved
about
what
his
current
assets
are.
It
sounds
like
he
might
have
a
couple
of
prostheses
already,
but
I
don't
know
what
his
passive
for
using
them
are.
What.
D
A
D
A
He
has
yeah
that's
what
I
was
thinking.
I
mean
it
sounds
like
you
need
those
those
the
basic
case
details.
Some
photos
really
see
what
we're
dealing
with
and
then
yeah
I
mean.
Let's
it
sounds
like
it's
a
good
opportunity
to
get
some
people
plugged
in,
and
you
know,
there's
always
opportunity,
there's
always
interesting
opportunities,
kind
of
experiment
with
sort
of
team-based
approaches
on
these
things,
and
you
could
be
in
a
right
art
of
guiding
that.
But
you
don't
need
to
be
the
person
making
and
assembling
and
all.
A
D
I
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
bring
it
up.
I
directed
him
to
once
he's
got
that
information
to
hop
on
the
Hub
and
post
it
and
then
potentially,
if
it
looks
like
we've,
got
some
discussion
and
it
sounds
like
somebody's
able
to
attach
themselves
to
it
to
add
that
to
the
matching
platform,
wonderful.
A
All
right,
terrific,
so
I,
just
I,
captured
this
from
our
earlier
discussion
about
an
AI
assistant,
welcome
bot,
let's
get
into
that
some
other
time,
but
that's
something
that
I
would
much
like
to
work
on
with
you
Adam,
and
so
the
next
topic
up
would
be
Outreach
and
I.
Just
left
all
of
our
notes
in
here
from
last
time.
In
case
any
of
them
are
useful,
but
I
I
just
felt
like
this
was
this
is
really
kind
of
one
of
our
main
areas
on
right
now
and
so
I.
A
D
I
I
don't
have
a
ton
of
I've
been
on
vacation
for
most
of
the
week
of
the
last
week.
So
I
haven't
had
a
whole
lot
of
developments.
I
did
get
an
appointment
scheduled
with
the
director
of
makers,
making
change.
E
D
Office
is
up
in
Canadia
up
there,
so
I'm
really
excited
to
meet
with
him.
Actually,
his
organization.
That
organization
is
just
so
it's
a
non-profit,
an
NGO
and
they
have
their
structure
is
very
similar
to
ours,
but
they're,
primarily
based
in
North
America.
Their
scope
is
a
little
bit
less
expansive,
but
they
are
better
funded.
D
So
it's
really
interesting.
They've
got
a
small
number
of
people
who
all
appear
to
be
on
staff,
who
are
just
doing
really
interesting
stuff
with
with
finding
solutions
to
you
know,
producing
assistive
technology
and
just
finding
interesting
Solutions
to
sort
of
did
the
problems
for
people
with
disabilities.
It's
it's
really
fascinating.
That's.
A
True
and
I,
just
wanna,
it's
a
repeat
but
I-
want
to
share
what
I
shared
last
time,
which
is
on
our
our
blog.
That
makers,
making
change
is
also
the
team
that
developed
the
freely
available
assistive
device,
Academy,
which
is
an
online
curriculum
right,
fully
stem
oriented,
and
it's
offered
through
Print
Lab,
and
the
links
are
here
in
my
blog
post,
but
this
is
a
full
stem
aligned
curriculum
for
making
assistive
devices.
A
D
D
They
do
all
kinds
of
great
work
and
yeah
I'm
excited
to
meet
with
them
to
see
if
there
are
any
people
in
their
Community
who
would
like
to
be
more
involved
in
the
business
of
Designing
and
making
hands,
and
if
there's
anybody
in
enable
who'd
like
to
you
know
partner
with
makers,
making,
change
and
start,
you
know
doing
some
of
that
work
to
do
it
I
think
there's
some
good
collaboration
that
can
come
out
of
some
kind
of
relationship
there.
So.
B
You
know
that
particular
call
to
action
is
worth
putting
out
in
on
social
media
and
in
the
hub
that
the
course
is
available,
and
it
would
be
really
good
for
enable
people
a
few
enabled
people
to
take
it
to
increase
crosstalk
between
these
two
Allied
organizations.
Yeah.
E
C
D
D
Yeah
I
think
they
also
do
a
really
good
job
of
managing
a
social
media
presence.
D
A
A
Objectives
right
right,
anything
that
you'd
like
to
get
into
here,
Adam.
D
I've
got
a
couple
of
other
talks
coming
up,
I'll
be
meeting
with
ability
KC
at
some
point
either
next
week,
the
week
after
I've
got
to
pin
down
that
time
with
the
directors
there
when
they
have
availability,
I'd
like
to
do
a
site
walk
through
and
take
some
pictures
of
to
give
you
all
a
better
sense
for
what
their
facilities
are.
D
The
kind
of
patience
they've
got
three
main
facilities
that
are
all
sort
of
located
in
Midtown,
Kansas
City,
but
it's
it's
an
interesting
setup
and
it's
been
a
while
since
I've
worked
there,
but
it's
really
great
and
from
there
just
as
a
reminder.
My
my
goal
is
to
use
ability
KC
as
a
kind
of
test
kitchen
see.
If
we
can
start,
we
can
establish
like
a
rehab
Engineering
Group
people
who
might
be
interested
in
providing
more
regular
support
to
OTS
and
developing.
D
We
have
tools
and
also
specific
you
know:
functional
single
use
case
tools
for
individual
patients
and
also
there's
a
lot
of
opportunity
for
Like,
Making,
Games
and
Things.
That
OTS
would
use
to
like
build
Precision
hand,
control
and
grip
strength
and
all
kinds
of
stuff
that
that,
like
you,
know
things
ranging
from
like
simple
fidget,
Spinners
to
more
complex
puzzles
and
things
that
can
be
expensive
materials
that
a
non-profit
like
ability,
KC
might
have
a
hard
time
procuring
that
we
could
potentially
provide
free
of
charge.
D
So
just
there's
a
huge
array
of
things
that
can
that
can
come
out
of
that
and
then
eventually
I'm
hoping
to
establish
a
model
that
could
be
emulated
across
different
rehab
facilities
across
the
country.
So
that's
that's
kind
of
where
I'm
heading
with
that.
A
It
is
a
it
is
a
grand
vision
and
I
love.
It
yeah.
D
We'll
see
the
only
other
thing
is
I'll
be
meeting
with
the
National
Assistive
Technology
Group,
so
they
have
their
their
leadership.
Town
Hall
every
month
and
I
will
be
talking
briefly
about
what
email
is
as
a
reminder
to
make
sure
that
this
system
need
to
be
course
corrected.
D
My
General
Edition
here
is
to
partner
each
State's
ATP,
with
an
enabled
chapter,
who's
interested
in
being
the
sort
of
enable
go
between
to
be
the
primary
contact
and
fulfill
their
device
requirement
request
if
they
have
the
bandwidth,
so
I
think
that
there's
an
opportunity
there
to
establish
more
of
a
you
know
an
enable
standard
so
that
for
these
state-run
organizations
there
is,
you
know,
there's
a
steady
conduit
for
supplying
devices
as
they
as
they're
required.
So.
D
A
Don't
only
because
I
think
you
and
I
have
been
in
the
same
boat,
I
know:
I
haven't
been
able
to
put
any
attention
on
this
other
than
just
putting
a
card
in
you
know
minutes
ago,
but
no
I
I
think
we
need
to
kind
of
regroup.
I
showed
you
guys
last
time
how
we
we
can
embed
it
in
the
this
is
visible
only
to
admins
right
now,
but
we
can
yeah
that's
right
here
in
the
hub,
so
I
think
it's
just
a
matter
of
further
thinking
through
how
we
use
it.
A
Do
we
want
to
use
multiple
boards
and
how
so
that
they,
you
know,
maybe
show
up,
and
you
don't
have
to
do
as
much
scrolling
and
so
I
think
we
just
have
to
think
through
the
presentation
and
the
usage
scenarios
and
just
a
continuation
of
our
last
meeting
and
and
move
forward
on
it.
We
just
haven't,
haven't
had
time
to
do
that,
but
I
I
still
think
it's
the
right
solution
and
and
we'll
we'll
move
forward
on
it.
D
Okay,
two
I
think
I
have
two
additional
things:
number
one
Speaking
of
tainara
down
in
Brazil.
She
had
expressed
an
interest
in
facilitating
Healthcare
Group
discussion,
assuming
we
get
more
of
Healthcare
Community
built
up,
so
I
think
that
that
would
be
something
that
would
be
well
within
her
wheelhouse
to
moderate
and
organize.
D
We
have
a
couple
of
additional
details
to
hammer
out,
but
that
would
be
you
know
something
that
I
could
lend
hand
with
every
now
and
then
yeah
I
think
it's
outside
of
my
my
capacity
at
the
moment.
Oh.
A
No
I
think
I
think
you'd
be
an
important
part
of
that
ad
I'm.
Not
so
much
for
the
you
know,
being
you
know
one
of
the
experts
or
anything,
but
as
far
as
integration,
your
community
and
connecting
the
dots
and
all
that
that
would.
D
Be
yeah
I'm
hoping
to
see
that
I'm,
hoping
that
as
we
you
know
this,
this
dovetails
with
my
carf
project,
trying
to
reach
out
to
rehab
facilities
and
get
more
OTS
in
those
facilities.
You
know
logged
on
as
members
of
The
Hub
and
increasing
awareness
and
having
a
space.
You
know
a
place
for
them
to
actually
be
and
do
and
discuss
things
like.
D
That
would
be
a
really
great
piece
of
bait,
yeah
so
absolutely
and
then
that
you
know
could
maybe
that
turns
into
like
you
know,
meet
up.
So
maybe
that
turns
into
like
an
enable
conference
a
couple
years
down
the
line
and
being
a
you
know,
just
trying
to
build
things
up
one
piece
at
a
time.
That's
really
wonderful!
D
Oh
speaking
of
conferences,
this
is
the
last
thing.
This
is
that
second
thing
I've
got
the
aota
next
month.
I
am
going
to
order
business
cards
I.
Believe
we
discussed
last
week,
a
small
budget
for
getting
Trinkets
and
business
cards
printed
very
happy
to
do
that
next
week,
but
I
I
think
I'll
need
to
set
some
time
with
you
Jeremy
to
talk
about.
D
You
know
what
kinds
of
things
might
be
good
to
print
and
bring
along,
obviously
things
that
have
enables
logo
and
website
on
them,
but
things
that
might
be
fun
too.
D
Meeting
it's
a
you
know:
I've
been
really
nervous
about
it,
but
this
is
the
year
I.
Finally,
take
the
money.
D
It's
the
American
Occupational
Therapy
Association
conference.
There
we
go
aot.
B
There
are
a
couple
of
trinkets
that
are
are
quite
nice:
one
is
the
fart
hands
logo
which
little
kids
find
attractive
and
the
other
is
actually
a
micro
gripper
thumb
with
a
rubber
band
for
the
thumb
moves.
But
it's
only
about
this
big,
which
tells
a
nice
story
also
I
think
there
may
also
be
a
non-moving
little
tiny
tiny
hand
that
these
are
things
that
you
can
put
on.
Keychains
I.
E
A
But
I
was
looking
for
the
design
that
John
was
talking
about
because
there
is
a
3D
printable
version
of
just
this
little
kind
of
Heart
and
Hand
thing
as
sort
of
a
pendant
I'll
have
to
we'll
have
to
find
it,
but
yeah.
We
have
that
as
well.
It's
a
great
idea,
yeah.
D
F
A
God
no
I,
we
should
you're
you're
on
the
right
track
and
we'll
talk
about
that,
but
we
have
nothing
even
close
to
it.
Okay,
we
we,
where
it
was
hard
enough
for
us
just
to
get
as
far
as
getting
a
logo
that
we
could
somewhat
agree
on
and
I.
A
A
D
Well
me
neither
okay
cool
that!
That's
it
on.
A
Excellent
okay,
well
I,
don't
think
I
have
anything
else.
That's
important
enough
to
talk
about
that.
I
want
to
try
to
squeeze
it
into
10
minutes
here.
So
let
me
just
ask
if
anyone
would
like
to
talk
about
anything
or
share
anything
that
you've
been
up
to
before
we
wrap
this
meeting
up.
Hi
Ward
didn't
see
when
you
joined
in
there,
hello.
A
B
Thank
you
all
I
just
want
to
say
between
the
three
of
you
we're
doing
great
here,
you're,
really
really
keeping
the
whole
thing
going.
It's.
A
F
A
Amazing
to
see
so
I
just
really
enjoy
working
with
you
guys,
look
forward
to
more
see
y'all.