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From YouTube: Weekly e-NABLE Town Hall Meeting - October 14, 2022
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A
A
So
welcome
back
to
another
town
hall,
everyone,
let
me
get
the
YouTube
chat
out
here.
A
All
right
I
need
to
share
my
screen
and
we'll
dive
into
it.
A
B
Now,
I'm,
okay,.
A
Thank
you
all
right,
so
action
items
finally
got
through
these
thanks
to
Rick
who
took
over
the
metrics
reporting
that
gave
me
some
extra
time
this
morning.
So
I
did
redirect
the
chapters
email
to
our
help
desk.
That's
done
so
that
means
I
removed
that
account
John.
There's
no
longer
a
chapters
of
enable.org
account.
I
set
it
up
as
a
group
address
that
routes
into
our
help.
Desk
and
I
sent
a
test
message
through
here.
A
It
is
that
came
right
into
our
help
desk
and
if
we
look
at
the
original
message
that
I
sent
here
you'll
see
that
it
was
sent
to
Chapters
at
enable.org,
but
it
got
rerouted
to
this
custom
address
that
goes
to
our
Zoho
help
desk
and
if
we
respond
to
this
it'll
come
back
from
Chapters
at
enable.org.
So
it's
a
very
seamless
experience,
but
everything
comes
right
into
the
help
desk
now,
so
that
Rick
will
see
those
going
forward
so
that
one's
done.
A
Then
the
next
one
was
for
Rick
and
I
to
meet
and
review
options
for
the
chapter
audit,
which
we
did,
and
we
came
up
with
a
questionnaire
and
we'd
like
to
review
that
with
the
rest
of
you
today
make
sure
that
you
all
agree
with
what
we're
going
to
be
doing
there
before
we
send
it
out,
and
the
next
one
was
for
me
to
train
Rick
to
do
the
weekly
metrics,
which
we
did,
and
he
has
taken
that
over.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
that.
A
Next
one
was
for
me
to
figure
out
how
to
get
logged
into
the
enable
matching
platform
from
France,
which
I
did
I
was
able
to
get
logged
in.
Where
do
I
have
it
here
or
this
one?
So
here
I
am
logged
into
the
admin
I
still,
however,
don't
know
how
to
get
logged
into
their.
What
I
guess
is
their
custom
admin,
the
interface
where
they
can
actually
see
the
pins
on
the
map
and
do
the
matching
and
stuff
like
that.
A
That's
at
some
custom,
page
and
I,
don't
know
what
that
is
so
I'm
going
to
need
to
reach
out
to
Terry
to
get
some
guidance
on
that,
but
since
I
do
have
access
to
the
back
end.
Now
at
least-
and
here
you
can
see
how
we
still
have
all
this.
Some
of
this
custom
stuff
is
still
in
French
but,
more
importantly,
as
I'm
poking
around
I'm.
A
Looking
at
how
many
plugins
need
to
be
updated
and
stuff
and
I
figured
well
what
the
heck
we
can
go
ahead
and
start
updating
some
of
those,
but
as
I
did
so,
I
noticed
that
these
are
actually
paid
plugins
and
we're
not
receiving
we're
not
going
to
have
the
full
functionality.
We
can't
get
the
updates
until
we
register
some
of
those,
so
there's
actually
going
to
be
some
costs.
A
If
we
wanted
to
get
this
up
and
running
they're,
using
a
plug-in
for
the
translation,
multi-language,
translation
and
they're
using
another
one
for
various
tools,
I
haven't
looked
into
it
enough,
but
other
other
types
of
plugins
that
are
paid
I,
don't
think
any
of
them
are
too
expensive.
You
know-
probably
you
know
30
bucks
a
year
here
and
you
know
40
bucks
a
year
there,
but
it's
something
that
will
have
to
address
if
we
want
to
explore
this
more
deeply.
A
A
Probably
so,
okay,
so
I'll
need
some
help
after
that
to
actually
start
digging
into
the
system
and
seeing
what
we
can
do
with
it,
but
I'm
not
quite
there,
yet
so
I'm
going
to
leave
that
on
as
a
reminder
that
I
need
help
getting
into
that
other
part
of
the
admin
that
I
don't
know
where
it
is
yet
next
one
here
is
for
Adam
is
working
on
coordinating
a
meeting
among
our
new
leadership,
team
and
I
know.
A
B
A
B
Well,
yes,
apparently
Ben
met
with
nurse,
but
I'll
meet
with
him
immediately
after
this
meeting.
Okay,
having
failed
to
meet
with
him
on
two
occasions,
my
fault
we'd.
B
B
B
Jeremy
you're
on
mute
and
have
been
since
Sarah
stop
talking.
Sorry.
A
I
clicked
the
unmute,
but
I
guess
I
didn't
click
it
right.
Sorry
folks,
I
was
just
I
was
just
ironically
complimenting
Sarah
on
using
good
zoom
manners
and
staying.
You
know
muted,
when
not
talking
that's
anyway.
A
These
are
the
metrics
that
Rick
has
taken
over
now,
so
we
had
a
meeting
and
went
through
the
spreadsheet
and
where
each
of
these
different
data
points
comes
from
and
he's
all
set
to
do
that
going
forward,
which
is
a
big
help
to
me.
So
thanks
again
Rick
for
doing
that,
and
let
me
know
if
you
want
to
make
any
changes
and
how
we're
doing
that
or
what
data
we're
collecting
and
I
can
help
you
there
so
he'll
be
handling
that
going
forward
all
right
from
the
Hub.
A
This
is
I
have
to
admit
one
of
my
favorite
parts
of
the
meeting
kind
of
looking
at
key
posts
of
the
week
and-
and
there
wasn't
a
lot
of
activity
this
week,
I
only
had
one
post
to
share,
and
this
is
one
that
we
looked
at
before.
Actually,
this
was
Joshua
trabinski
who
had
posted
about
this
rather
young
recipient,
and
we
had
talked
about
this
last
time
and
started
this
discussion
about.
A
You
know
how
young
is
too
young
and
that's
why
I
wanted
to
share
it
again
because,
interestingly
enough,
the
discussion
went
in
that
way.
Kristoff
asked
how
old
he
is,
and
then
Yakov
said
that
their
experience
in
Israel
is
that
the
minimum
age
is
four
to
five
years,
which
lines
up
with
what
John
was
saying
when
the
child
recognizes
clearly
that
he's
missing
part
of
his
hand
and
starts
to
ask
about
it
before
that,
it's
useless
and
may
create
problems.
A
I
thought
that
was
well
summed
up
and
Kristoff
said
they
have
the
same
conclusion
and
Joshua
appreciated.
That
said,
it
makes
sense,
don't
know
exactly
how
old
he
is,
but
he
does
seem
a
little
too
young,
so
I
was
just
glad
to
see
that
it.
It
went
that
way
and
I
just
wanted
to
share
that
update
since
we
had
talked
about
it
so
on
we
go
our
recurring
meetings.
Next
up
we
have
the
educational
Meetup
dot.
Now,
that's
usually
the
first
Monday
but
I'm
showing
on
the
calendar
for
today.
A
B
B
A
We've
got
it
on
the
calendar
here
at
1
pm
Eastern
today,.
A
B
Then
are
again:
I
guess
I,
really,
while
we're
getting
up
to
speed,
Sarah
and
I
both
need
to
get
better
at
setting
up
these
meetings.
A
B
I'm
gonna
suggest
that
we
shift
over
to
the
channel
where
I'll
be
meeting
with
noosh
at
noon.
Okay,.
D
B
A
A
Okay,
let
me
I'll
think
about
it,
while
we're
meeting
here,
maybe
we
can
just
shift
over
and
make
it
work
for
this
time
anyway.
Let's
go
on
see
if
we
can
get
through
this,
maybe
wrap
up
a
little
early
and
do
it
at
the
tail
end,
we'll
see
how
it
goes
so.
I
assume
it's
the
educational
Meetup
today,
an
hour
after
the
conclusion
of
this
meeting
for
those
who
can
join
upcoming.
One-Time
events,
the
only
one
I
have
here
listed
is
thundergong
and
I'll
be
honest.
A
A
Oh
this
is
the
one
hosted
by
Jason,
Sudeikis
I,
think
Adam
shared
this
sounds
like
a
fun
show,
but
I'm
not
going
to
be
able
to
make
it
out
there
for
this
Jason
Sudeikis,
Fred
Armisen,
but
good
Talent
there.
Anyway,
that's
raising
money
for
live
different
communities.
I
recall
November
12th
for
anyone
that
wants
to
make
a
trip.
Anyway,
let's
get
into
our
discussion
topics
annual
report,
we
already
covered
John's
wrapping
it
up,
so
it'll
be
done
soon.
Let
us
know
if
you
need
anything
else
to
help
with
that.
A
John
I'm.
Sorry,
to
see
that
Adam
isn't
here,
because
I
thought
this
was
a
really
exciting,
update,
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
read
what
he
sent
me.
He
and
Rick
have
been
working
together.
Rick
got
him
connected
with
his
friends
over
at
50,
legs
and
Adam,
says
I've
had
a
couple
of
really
interesting
conversations
with
Steve
Chamberlain,
the
founder
of
50
legs
in
50
days.
He
gives
the
website
address
there.
It's
a
non-profit
based
in
Florida
and
Rick
Williams
brought
them
to
my
attention.
A
In
a
nutshell,
they
perform
fundraising
in
order
to
provide
lower
extremity
Prosthetics
to
adults
and
kids
in
the
US
who
otherwise
couldn't
afford
them.
They've
provided
over
600
devices
to
people
in
the
last
10
years
since
they
were
founded,
Steve
is
a
loud
Brash
and
very
excellent
person
he's
also
a
personal
friend
of
Hulk
Hogan's
and
I've
become
a
big
fan
of
50
likes
among
the
20
or
30
000
amputees
who
have
connected
with
their
organization.
A
Steve
estimates
that
they
have
up
to
5
000
upper
extremity
arm
and
hand
amputees,
who
could
benefit
from
the
Naples
Network
he's
going
to
talk
to
his
director
and
our
head
prosthetist
tomorrow
and
get
confirmation,
but
he
sounds
really
confident
that
there's
a
big
need
that
we
could
help
fill
and
I
would
say
this
goes
both
ways.
I
mean
he
didn't
say
it,
but
we
have
needs.
You
know
we
know
in
Afghanistan
and
Elsewhere
for
people
with
lower
legs
that
we're
not
able
to
address.
A
C
No
I
I
basically
gave
the
information
to
I,
gave
the
information
to
Adam.
So
he
could
so.
He
could
Bridge
a
meeting
with
Steve.
A
A
Another
quick
update,
I
mentioned
in
the
past
that
I
would
like
to
develop
a
new
kit
through
my
company
for
some
kind
of
a
bionic
device
or
a
bionic
kind
of
experimenter's
Kit.
Maybe
that
has
a
bunch
of
different
components
that
could
be
used
to
do
lots
of
different
things
with
bionics
we're
still
trying
to
figure
it
out.
A
I
did
meet
with
the
bionic
team
and
we
got
some
input
and
we
decided
that
the
best
course
of
action
would
be
to
set
up
this
spreadsheet,
which
I
did
to
help
gather
recommendations
from
those
with
the
right
experience.
So
I've
got
some
instructions
here
and
then
there's
a
bunch
of
tabs.
So
some
general
information
about
you
know
their
approach
to
doing
bionics
and
any
existing
enabled
designs
that
they're
leveraging
and
kind
of
the
value
they
see.
An
offering
kit
like
this
and
then
there's
a
tab
for
each
component.
A
Vivec
helped
me
to
kind
of
break
out
what
he
sees
as
the
high
level
categories
of
a
bionic
device.
So
we
have
sensors.
A
I
would
love
to
see
others
jump
in
and
fill
this
out
in
fact,
skip
Mets
I
think
it
would
be
a
great
contributor
to
this.
I
got
to
get
him
plugged
into
this
and
anyone
else
with
any
bionic
experience.
Please,
if
you
don't
I
posted
this
in
the
hub,
as
well
as
sending
it
directly
by
email
to
those
that
we
identified
as
being
involved
in
bionics.
But
if
anyone
doesn't
see
that
and
needs
a
link.
A
D
A
All
right,
chapter
audit,
so
Rick
and
I
met
and
we
came
up
with
a
new
form,
a
Google
form
which
we've
used
in
the
past.
We
came
up
with
a
revised
one
though
so.
This
is
the
enable
chapter,
audit,
2022
and
I'd
like
to
review
this
with
everyone
here,
because
I
want
to
get
some
validation
before
we
send
this
out.
So
we
changed
some
of
the
intro
language
to
try
to
let
people
know
why
this
is
important.
A
We
decided
to
actually
put
audit
in
the
title,
because
we
feel
that
that
kind
of
gives
it
a
little
bit
of
a
more
serious
tone
like
we
really
need.
You
know
responses
on
this
each
year
enable
needs
to
provide
reporting
to
our
financial
supporters
to
show
them
what
we've
accomplished
and
to
justify
another
year
of
support.
In
order
to
create
these
annual
reports,
we
need
the
following
information
from
your
chapter:
I'm,
hoping
that
that
language
will
kind
of
give
them
a
little
bit
more
sense
of
urgency.
So
email
address
required.
A
What's
the
name
of
your
chapter
date,
when
your
chapter
was
first
established,
how
many
members
or
volunteers
do
you
currently
have
about?
How
many
prosthesis
did
your
chapter
fabricate,
assemble
and
donate
during
this
past
year
and
about
how
many
prosthesis
have
you
fabricated,
assembled
and
donated
since
your
chapter
started,
and
then
please
provide
the
current
contact
information
for
your
chapter
leader?
A
Apparently
we
lost
some
of
what
we
had
before
and
we
need
to
update
our
contact
info
and
then
is
there
any
alternate
contact
information
to
use
if
we're
unable
to
reach
the
primary
contact,
something
that
we've
never
really
had
before.
So
how
do
you
think?
How
do
you
feel
about
these
questions?
Do
you
think
we
missed
anything?
Do
you
think
anything
in
here
should
be
eliminated
feedback.
Please.
B
I
think
it's
great
I
think
change.
Please
provide
to
please
update.
D
B
When
it
was
first
established,
it's
not
a
big
deal,
but
you
know
you
might
move
it
down
because
that's
okay,
my
first
reaction
was
gosh.
They
are
they
gonna
they.
They
should
know
this
by
now,
so
move
it
to
the
bottom.
A
Okay,
you
know
it
just
occurs
to
me
that
our
chapter
spreadsheet
itself
is
based
upon
badges
being
issued,
and
so
when
the
chapter
badge
gets
issued,
we
already
have
that
date.
Time
stamp.
Don't
we
Rick.
A
A
I
mean
at
the
at
the
very
least.
If
you
go
to
the
badge
and
chapter
management
space
and
we
go
to
what
would
it
be
the
badger
assertions
here?
You
have
an
archive
of
every
badge,
that's
ever
been
awarded,
so
we
can
see
exactly
what
date
and
time
they
became
an
officially
authorized
chapter.
If
we
use
this,
however
I
guess
we
have
chapters
that
came
long
before
this,
no
they've
all
gone
through
and
gotten
their
badge
to
this,
have
they
not.
B
Why
don't
you
enter
chapter
into
the
search
box.
A
The
only
problem
is
all
you're.
Seeing
is
a
person's
names
you
have
to
find
out
which
chapter
that
is
and
then
I
guess
you
can
do
it
by
clicking
like
this
doesn't
have
the
details
anyway.
It's
something
to
look
into
the
question
is:
do
we
need
to
ask
that
and
I
guess,
Rick,
you
and
I
should
maybe
do
a
little
digging
first
to
see
if
we
already
have
that
data
and
if
so,
we
can
take
that
question
out
entirely,
but
otherwise
John
thinks
we
should
move
that
down.
I'm.
C
Putting
it
in
now
when
I
open
a
chapter
I
put
the
year
in,
but
that's
that's
all
I
do
now
is
I
put
the
year
in
my
and
I
have
it
folded,
so
people
will
know
it's
different,
because
some
there
were
some
extraneous
dates
in
there
that
you
know
1970
and
I
took
all
of
those
I.
A
Just
I
just
moved
it
down
the
list
and
I
said
approximate
date,
so
at
least
that'll
be
better
and
we'll
see.
If
we
have
the
data
already
before
we
we
go
with
that.
Any
other
recommendations
here
see.
A
Next
step
would
be
to
go
to
our.
We
have
that
spreadsheet.
That
has
all
the
chapters
the
one
that
Rick
manages
and
that,
of
course
includes
an
email
address
for
each
one,
and
so
it's
just
a
matter
of
grabbing
all
of
those
emails
pasting
that
into
an
email
segment
in
our
Benchmark
email
platform
and
then
building
an
email
to
go
out
to
them
with
a
link
to
this.
A
This
form,
which
I
can
do
pretty
easily
now
that
I
have
sort
of
some
buy-in
from
folks
here,
and
so
that's
the
plan,
so
I
would
say
by.
In
fact,
let
me
put
that
as
an
action
item
and
then
by
this,
hopefully
by
the
next
week's
meeting.
I
can
report
that
we've
got
this
in
progress
and
we're
basically
just
waiting
on
data.
B
A
Got
to
get
him
something
it
would
be
fine
to
send
them.
You
know
addendum
later,
but.
A
B
D
B
A
Think
it's
I
was
saying:
I
think
it's
a
very
exciting
partnership,
and
you
don't
say
it
here,
but
I
assume.
You
recognize
the
same
thing
that
it
seems
to
me
that
this
is
a
potentially
two-way
partnership,
because
we've
been
looking
for
a
way
to
address,
leg
needs
so
hey.
This
seems
like
it
really
could
be
a
win-win.
D
Do
you
want
me
to
just
I
can
do
a
quick,
high-level
hits?
Why.
D
Well,
even
briefer
I'll,
just
shout
out
to
Rick
who
brought
fishy
legs
to
my
attention.
We
were
chatting
a
little
bit
about
the
Afghanistan
initiative
and
the
need
for
legs,
and
he
he
brought
up
this
guy
Steve
Chamberlain,
who,
if
you
don't,
if
you
haven't
already
I
highly
recommend
that
you
Google
Steve
Chamberlain
in
50
legs,
because
you're
going
to
get
a
lot
of
pictures
with
him
and
his
good
buddy
Hulk
Hogan
Steve
is
a
really
great
guy.
D
He
he's
gotten
mouth
like
a
sailor
and
like
the
biggest
heart
in
the
world,
he's
an
amputee,
a
lower
extremity
amputee
who
started
this
Foundation
after
his
own
personal
struggles
and
after
a
prosthetist
fabricated,
a
leg
for
him.
Just
pro
bono
and
his
initial
goal
was
to
make
50
it
was
to
to
donate
50
legs
to
50
people
in
50
days
and
to
in
the
past
10
years,
they've
gifted
over
600
and
next
year,
they're
on
track
to
donate
over
200
just
next
year
alone.
D
Oh,
it
might
be
down
I,
don't
know,
it
looks
like
it's
a
WordPress,
so
yeah,
so
that
wouldn't
be
surprising
but
yeah.
It's
it's
pretty
amazing
the
the
work
that
they've
done.
So
they
are
100
domestic,
so
all
of
their
their
work,
all
of
their
giving
is
in
the
the
continental
United
States
as
I
understand
it.
Well,
I
shouldn't,
say:
Continental:
maybe
they
service,
Hawaii
and
Alaska
too,
but
yeah.
D
So
there
there's
a
lot
of
opportunity
here
for,
at
the
very
least
from
One
Direction
partnering,
with
their
their
network
to
get
a
handle
on
some
folks.
Well,
a
huge
number
of
folks
who
may
be
in
need
of
upper
extremity
devices
and
then
in
the
other
direction.
I
was
hoping
to
chat
with
him
about
whether
it
would
be
feasible
or
whether
there's
anyone
in
the
network
could
be
interested
in
some
like
lower
extremity
campaigns.
D
I,
don't
know
if
that
would
have
to
stay
domestic
I,
don't
know
how
that
lines
up
with
their
mission.
You
know,
but
if
it
were,
the
other
thing
is
that
obviously
this
is
not
like
a
3D
printing
group.
This
is
primarily
a
group
of
you
know.
They've
got
this
is
a
a
501c3
they've
got
a
board
and
well.
D
Agreed
yep
and
that
that
is
a
natural
segue
to
another
topic.
I
wanted
to
talk
to
you
all
about,
but
I
I
can
I'm
going
to
save
that
for
another
time
until
I
have
a
more
complete,
complete
idea,
but
connect
connecting
non-profits
is
yeah
is,
is
something
that's
going
to
be
bigger
in
my
future
and
I'll
talk
to
you
more
about
that
another
time
very.
A
Powerful
approach
I
look
forward
to
talking
about
that
yep,
but
yeah
I
appreciate
that
we've
got
a
lot
to
get
through
today,
so
I'm
going
to
move
on
we'll
revisit
that
next
time.
So
we
just
talked
about
the
chapter
audit
process
and
I
think
we're
good
to
go
there.
So
I
was
just
putting
in
an
action
item
for
myself,
which
I
forgot:
oh
no
I
did
create
and
send
email
for
chapter
audit
to
get
that
going
so
we'll
get
that
started
this
week
and
well
actually
I'm.
A
Looking
at
my
topics
here,
I
I,
we
don't
have
as
much
as
I
had
intended.
We
can
go
back
to.
We
had
this
discussion
about
the
lumio
voting
process,
which
we
never
finished.
We
have
to
come
to
some
decisions
about
what
we
want
to
propose
there
and
then
put
something
up
on
lumio
for
the
community
to
vote
on.
We
could
continue
with
that
discussion
today
or
we
could
talk
more
about
Adam.
Is
there
anything
to
discuss
with
regards
to
the
Afghanistan
initiative
today.
D
Except
away
from
my
phone-
sorry,
just
unmuted
yeah,
yes,
and
no
yes
in
that
I
believe
that
my
folks
in
Kabul
are
better
understand
that
it's
not
going
to
be
an
immediate
delivery
that
we've
really
got
to
get
this.
This
pipeline,
established
I,
haven't
had
any
additional
contact
with
the
leader
of
the
Pakistani
enabled
group,
but
that's
going
to
be
the
best
chance
to
have
a
reliable
delivery
pathway.
D
B
D
Okay,
great
because
that
that
is,
that
is
how
we're
going
to
have
the
highest
percentage
chance
of
things
being
delivered
without
being
waylaid
or
delayed
beyond
that
I've
been
in
touch
with
uttarsh,
with
the
Helping
Hands
project
North
Carolina,
incidentally,
my
wife
and
I
are
going
to
North
Carolina
for
an
unrelated
Asheville
vacation
in
a
couple
of
weeks,
and
she
has
made
me
promise
up
and
down
that
I'm
not
going
to
do
any
enable
stuff
while
I'm
there
it's
going
to
be
hard
for
you
yeah,
but
so
udkarsh.
D
Let
me
know
that
Eastern,
it's
more
Eastern,
Carolina
University
ECU
that
they
have
pledged
to
have
a
couple
of
people
effectively
act
as
interns
for
the
Afghan
initiative.
So
we
haven't
talked
yet.
D
We
haven't
laid
out
exactly
what
that's
going
to
look
like,
or
what
kind
of
time
commitment
they're
willing
to
pledge
to,
but
man
that
that
would
help
a
lot
having
some
extra
hands
some
helping
hands
even
to
to
help
get
this
done
because
really
I've
been
I've
been
running
out
of
hours
in
the
day
between
my
my
day,
job
and
this
so
I
can.
A
D
A
Would
be
great,
okay,
good!
Well,
as
always,
let
us
know
if
there's
anything
else
we
can
do
to
help,
but
it
sounds
like
you've
got
a
good
lead
there.
Yeah.
D
And
before
I
forget
the
oh,
my
God
I'm
blinking
on
the
name,
the
the
charity
event
in
Kansas
City
for
amputees
here,
which
is
being
hosted
by
Jason
Sudeikis,
and
it's
called
thank
you.
Thundergong
I
can't
I
can't
imagine
how
that
fell
out
of
my
head.
That's
in
just
a
few
weeks
in
November,
mid-november
and
I
have
reached
out
to
the
coordinators
there
to
see
about.
You
know
with
no
real
objective
in
mind,
just
to
kind
of
say
hey.
A
B
Right
so
we
made
contact
with
a
Ukrainian
American
from
Birmingham
Alabama
name
escaping
me
right
now
from
adapt3d.org,
which
is
a
501c3
designed
to
use
3D
printing
for
support
for
people
who
need
medical
splints
and
such
things
in
Ukraine.
We
were
joined
also
by
Yuri
and
another
guy
who
are
both
in
Ukraine.
One
of
them
is
a
is
the
creator
of
a
big
Hub
of
maker
spaces
in
Ukraine,
a
collection
of
makerspects
and
the
other
is
working
with
the
surgeon
in
I.
B
Think
denipro
and
you
put
them
all
together,
and
we
now
have
some
people
on
the
ground,
a
channel
to
two
medical
professionals
and
a
proven
product.
If
you
will,
which
are
easy
to
print
flat
printed
pla,
thermoformable
splints,
we
have
activated
the
Hub
space
called.
B
B
B
We
really
should
think
about
how
to
really
try
to
stir
the
waters
on
this,
make
it
very
easy
for
people
which
it
already
is,
but
make
it
clear
to
people
that
it's
already
easy
to
download
these
prints
to
do
them
to
send
to
Birmingham
and
if
you're
in
Europe,
to
Juliet
zoning
in
Greece,
who
was
offered
to
be
a.
B
Hub
and
they
will
get
their
way
to
Ukraine
so
putting
it
all
together,
we
I
think
have
opened
that
log
gym
and
we
now
have
a
way
that
we
can
and
should
mobilize
the
enabled
can
move
start
printing
these
splints,
which,
by
the
way
so
as
far
as
we're
concerned,
we'll
benefit
wounded.
People
of
all
Persuasions
is
not
necessarily
a
partisan
effort.
A
B
A
C
D
Hey
can
I
ask
really
quickly
so
just
because
I've
done,
thermoform
casting
and
bracing
as
a
PT
in
the
clinic.
How
does
this
differ
from
a
traditional
thermoform
materials?
Is
it
cheaper
or
is
it
or
do
they
not
have
access
to
those,
and
that's
the
the
role
this
is
filling
or.
B
You
know
it's
a
fair
question
and
I
have
the
clue.
It
seems
to
me
the
traditional
thermoformed
materials
are
solid,
thermoformable,
plastic,
correct
and.
A
We
do
have
the
benefit
of
being
able
to
take
their
STL
file.
We
can
bring
it
into
the
cura
slicing
software.
Tell
it
the
cost
of
the
material
per
spool
that
we're
printing
with
slice
it
and
it'll
actually
tell
us
this
print
will
use
you
know.
So
many
grams
of
material
and
it'll
cost
you
this
much.
So
we
can
find
that
exactly
the
cost
of
one
of
these
I
suspect
from
what
I
just
saw.
That
I
mean
using
something
like
a
tough
pla
which
is
easily
firmable
or
maybe
a
pet
G,
either
way.
D
I
have
no
idea:
I,
never
I,
never
managed
the
acquisition
of
those
materials
in
the
clinic,
but
and
there's
also
a
great
deal
of
waste
because
you
cut
off
a
lot
and
that
just
goes
to
the
trash
can
when
you're,
when
you're
fitting
it
so-
and
you
know
that
that
is
not
to
throw
water
on
this
I
was
just
curious,
because
I
I
guess
I
I
I
I'm
approaching
this
with
the
privilege
of
someone
who's
only
ever
worked
in
the
United
States
and
if
I
want
something
I
just
like.
D
So
yeah,
that's
really
cool
I
think
I
talked
a
little
bit
about
gecko
skin,
which
was
a
company
that
was
coming
up
back
in,
but
2014-15
I
was
in
the
clinic
when
they
came
and
showed
off
their
3D
camera
and
how
you
can
form
a
splint
or
a
brace
to
a
person's
limb
using
3D
printing
in
exactly
this
way,
but
they
had
to
like
Outsource
their
stuff
to
a
3D
printed
lab
because
they
didn't.
You
know
the
commercial
stuff.
Just
wasn't
up
to
the
task
back
then,
but
yeah.
A
Yeah,
very
good
I
don't
have
to
look
into
that
more
that's
the
kind
of
thing
that
you
could
easily
do
with
an
idol,
3D
printer
and
just
have
it
churning.
You
know
just
cranking
those
out.
Okay.
Where
were
we
any
other
updates,
then,
on
that
situation,
John
no.
B
That
is
the
situation.
I
I'm
gonna
talk
to
Sarah
I
would
love
to
have
somebody
stirring
the
pot
and.
A
Priming
them,
because
this
is
what
Ben
would
normally
this
is
where
Ben
would
normally
step
in
and
really
start
to
promote
this
in
the
main
Hub
forum
and
and
try
to
get
people
to
jump
into
the
space
and
get
involved
and
really
keep
it
in
people's
attention.
So
exactly
Sarah
you'd
be
a
great
value
if
you
can
help
us
to
just
kind
of
bring
more
attention
to
this.
This
effort
and
drive
people
to
that
space
all
right.
A
So
before
we
get
into
any
discussion
about
the
Lumia
voting
process,
which
is
kind
of
a
heavier
discussion,
let's
take
a
break
for
something
a
little
lighter,
get
some
show
and
tell
from
Rick
there
who's
been
doing
stuff
on
screen.
I
got
to
see
what
this
is
about.
So
what
you've
been
working
on
there
Rick.
C
Oh,
we
nothing.
This
is
actually
just
a.
This
is
how
we
test
our
Bionics.
When
we're.
When
we're
running
new
code,
we
have
a
bionic
hand
that
we
send
the
test
code
to
okay
and
it
simulates
all
the
movements
of
all
the
fingers
thumbs
and
all
of
that
and
if
the
code
works,
then
we
upload
it
to
to
the
bionic
Target.
It's
just
a
test.
It
has
15
servos.
C
This
this
is
just
a
like
I
said:
it's
just
a
dummy.
It's
just
a
dummy
test.
It
looks
like
a
gorilla
hand,
but
it
allows
me
to
test
every
every
segment
of
the
finger.
A
C
Made
it
yeah
yeah,
it's
just
our
test.
It's
just
what
we
use
it's
just
a
test
of
15
servos
without
a
rift,
but.
A
C
C
A
Me
try
to
ask
wait:
weren't
you
in
the
bionics
meeting
Rick,
were
you
part
of
that
where
we
had
this
whole
discussion,
I'm
struggling
with,
like
how
do
I
put
together
a
bionics
kit,
and
you
failed
to
mention
that
you
have
this
whole.
This
whole
I
think
what
you
have
right
in
your
hand,
would
make
a
great
kitten
of
itself,
maybe
because
I'm
thinking
classrooms
students
would
love
to
make
something
like
that
that
they
could
use.
C
A
C
It's
a
lot
of
fun,
you
know
you
don't
need
to
print
the
skins
or
anything.
It's
just
really.
A
matter
of
I
mean
you
could
take
pretty
much
any
build
and
put
the
servos
in
it.
The
problem
is
the
servos
are
micro,
servers
and
they're,
not
strong
enough
to
do.
C
A
B
So
Rick,
if
you're
developing
software-
and
you
have
this
testing
rig,
has
your
software
been
used
on
any
delivered?
Bionics?
Oh
yeah,
absolutely,
okay!
So
he's.
C
A
C
B
What
what
model
hand
he
uses
these
micro
a.
C
We
built
our
own,
but
what
we
do
is
we
try
to
make
the
controller
modular,
so
we
can
put
it
in
any
enable
hand.
It
doesn't
make
any
difference.
The
only
thing
is
in
in
most
of
the
enable
hands
you
wouldn't
have
access
to
each
finger
in
each
joint
okay.
So
you
take
the
hand,
as
you
know,
depending
upon
which
hand
you're
working
with.
C
And
that's
not
normal,
you
know
in
a
standard,
bionic
plus
it
would
be
too
expensive
to
to
to
do
with
with.
If
you
were
doing
this
with,
you
could
pay
69
for
each
actuator.
So
that's
that's,
not
it's
practical.
So
what
we
do
is
we.
We
use
this
test
every
finger,
but
then
we
turn
the
fingers
off
that
aren't
going
to
be
on
the
target.
C
C
A
A
B
I
yeah
Rick.
Let
me
try
to
give
you
some
context
here,
we're
about
10
years
old
for
at
least
10
years.
People
have
been
saying
these
mechanically
actuated
hands
are
really
cute
and
robust,
but
what
I
am
they're?
B
Typically
University
students
who
say
this
but
I
want
to
work
on
Bionics
and
there
have
been
a
number
of
projects,
and
you
can
you've
probably
read
about
them,
which
have
produced
motor
actuated,
hands
and
circuitry
and
they're
all
really
complicated,
they're
all
really
brittle,
and
none
of
them
have
got
the
stick-to-itiveness
or
embedded
in
enabled
feature
that
Rick
Williams
PhD
has,
which
is
to
say
it
looks
like
you
have.
B
All
of
that
is
news
to
me
and
I,
don't
know
to
to
who
else
it's
it's
of
great
interest
and
I'd
like
to
figure
out
how
to
make
it
available
to
the
larger
enabled
community.
C
C
Yeah
great,
however,
because
of
the
cost
we're
going
to
do
it
with
one
we're
going
to
do
it
with
one
actuator,
because
you
guys
got
to
remember.
Servo
is
working
grams
they're,
just
not
strong
enough
right
in
actuators,
you
can
get
up
into
the
many
pounds
and
one
actuator
could
easily
service
an
entire
hand,
which
also
makes
it
a
lot
less
complicated
right.
So
a.
D
Couple
of
things
there
Rick
and
again,
I
I'm,
just
gonna
I'm,
just
gonna,
assume
that
you
know
that
I
am
apologizing
for
cutting
you
off
as
often
as
I.
Do
it
but
number
thing
number
one
I
want
to
set
some
time
aside
with
you,
because
I
feel
like
I
need
a
primer
on.
You
know
what
is
a
Servo?
What
is
it
actually?
Oh.
C
You're
actually
kind
of
right.
There
are
actuators
that
are
not
interchangeable,
the
the,
but
what
you
want
to
do
is
use
the
ones
that
are
because
then
it
simplifies
the
builds
in
the
code.
You
can
build
a
cheap
version
then
go
to
a
new
version
without
even
changing
your
code
other
than
calibration.
So
you're
really
not
wrong.
Interesting.
D
Okay
well
thing
number
two,
and
this
is
maybe
the
more
important
thing
is
I
I
want
to
talk
to
you
about.
You
said
you've
delivered
a
couple
of
these
to
folks
in
the
field
and
I
want
to
talk
to
you
about
data
collection
and
Video
Collection,
so
that
just
just
to
see
where
you're
at
with
that
and
see.
If
there's
in
the
opportunity
to
you
know,
let's,
let's.
A
A
Data-
let's
just
see
if
the
three
of
us
can
get
in
a
meeting
in
the
coming
week-
Rick
Adam
and
I,
because
I'd
love
to
learn
more
about
that
too.
If
I'd
like
to
know
more
about
the
people
actually
using
these
bionic
devices
and
what
their
experience
has
been
and
I
I,
just
I
think
there's
more
of
a
discussion
than
we
have
time
here
for
today.
So
can
we
just
coordinate
a
meeting
for
the
for
the
three
of
us
and
anyone
else,
who's
who's
interested
next
week.
C
A
D
C
That's
why
we
got
away
from
we
got
a
we
got
away
from
a
lot
of
the
sensors
and
a
lot
of
the
things
that
people
were
using
because
it
didn't
make
sense.
You
know
people,
sweat,
people,
get
wet
people,
you
know,
and
then
they
don't
work
right.
The
the
what
we're
doing
with
what
we
remember
you
and
I
talked
about
with
the
indexed
gyroscopics.
Is
it's
impervious
to
all
of
that
and
it
just
gets
simple:
it
works
and
it
doesn't
have
to
touch
the
skin
at
all.
D
There's
an
element
of
that
that
webbing
design,
that
that
is
showcasing
those
splints
that
I
wanted
to
talk
to
somebody
about
for
use,
in
the
actual
prosthetic
hand,
design
for
increased
comfort
and
and
airflow,
but
again,
discussion
for
and
over
time.
C
Okay,
yeah
great
thought:
we
have
a
lot
of
designs
that
we
prototype
one
finger
at
a
time
or
we
will
Prototype
them
one
thing
at
a
time
and
it's
real
easy.
You
know,
and
it's
cheap,
especially
the
one
finger
ones,
because
we're
building
one
right
now
for
the
the
bicycle
chain
finger
and
it's
just
basically
that's
what
it's
going
to
do.
C
B
I
know
Jeremy
is
trying
to
regain
control
of
the
meeting.
So
I
just
have
one
question
before
I
hand
it
back
to
them.
Do
you
have
or
have
you
had
an
apprentice
in
Geppetto's
Workshop,
some
other
person
who
learns
from
you
and
what
you
do?
Yes,.
C
We
have
a
young
guy
named
Seth
and
he
wants
to
learn
to
do
this
stuff
and
he
comes
in
and
he
works
in.
My
lab
he's
right
now:
learning
to
use
our
high-powered
industrial
laser
cutter
and
we're
building
a
CNC
machine.
My
CNC
machines
are
all
built
by
CNC
machines.
C
Stuff
is,
sepa
is
right
now
he's
he's
suffering
a
really
some
some
brain
lock.
We
have
to
do
it
slowly
because
sometimes
he
comes
Runs
Out
screaming,
but
such
a
nice
kid
he's
about
20
and
he
wants
to
help
and
he's
a
really
good
kid.
We
just
got
him
a
creality
printer.
B
Okay
the
reason
I
the
reason
I
asked
this
question.
Rick
is
because
I
keep
getting
sort
of
hit
upside
the
head
about
what
a
bundle
of
knowledge
and
expertise
you
are
but
I
gotta
say
you
are
a
terrible
explainer.
A
B
B
Right,
I
I,
don't
want
I
I,
wouldn't
change
you
for
the
world
Rick,
but
I.
Would
it
really
happened?
Brad,
that's
all
just
a
Lab
Rats,
but
I
would
be
really
happy
if
there
was
someone
working
with
you
who
had
the
complementary
skills
that
would
interface
with
the
community.
That
would
like
to
learn
more
and
frankly,
in
a
more
organized
fashion,
about
everything.
You've
got
it.
It's
not
your
problem,
because
it's
not
your
Forte
to
solve
this
problem,
but
I'm
becoming
aware
that
it's
a
big
opportunity
for
us,
but.
C
One
of
the
problems
we
have
John
is
it's
very
rare.
We
use
anything
twice,
foreign
-offs
and
consequently,
what
that
means
is
we'll
build
it
once
and
then
we
use
it
and
it's
gone
it
immediately.
It's
gone
so
to
slow
everything
down
and
document
each
one
of
these
throwaways.
You
know
it's
just
not
what
we
have
done
in
the
past.
B
C
B
C
My
lab,
not
on
my
desk
right
now.
We
have
a
problem
that
we're
working
on
an
underwater
pneumatic
nail
gun
that
we're
building
for
an
ampute.
Now
that
doesn't
sound
like
a
big
deal
and
what
we're
doing
is
we're
building
that
so
an
amputee
can
can
use
it
under
water
as
a
scuba
diver
right
now.
Who
else
is
gonna
We're
not
gonna
build
another
one
of
those.
It's
going
to
be.
B
A
You
John
I.
Actually,
the
reason
I
wanted
to
to
to
move
on
is
not
to
get
into
another
topic,
but
I
think
I
want
to
actually
wrap
things
up.
If
you
guys
don't
mind
because
I'd
like
to
take
these
last
few
minutes
that
I
have
to
work
with
John
and
Sarah
on
setting
up
these
Zoom
sessions
and
stuff
before
their
next
meeting.
So
if
you
guys
don't
mind
I'm,
just
gonna
ask
if
anyone
has
any
very
brief
last
points
or
questions
or
anything
and
then
we're
gonna
wrap.