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From YouTube: Weekly e-NABLE Town Hall Meeting - April 22, 2022
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A
Maybe
we
could
push,
we
could
get
potential
volunteers
from
there.
Also.
They
have
programs
where
we
can,
for
instance,
put
a
description
of
a
project
that
we
want
and
they
can
give
us
paid
interns
as
well,
and
so
that
might
also
be
a
way
in
which,
for
instance
like
that
could
be
a
way
in
which
we
could
get
interns
for
advancing
different
aspects
of
the
of
the
project
that
you
want.
B
Well,
that's
great,
you
know
ian
roy
at
brandeis,
which
is
in
your
neck
of
the
woods
now
right
is
enthusiastically
taking
on
certain
aspects
of
of
enable
focusing
on
probably
devices
and
documentation,
but
he
he's
got
a
very
good
intern
program
and
he's
he's
really
he's
a
really
good
guy
and
you
and
he
should
get
together.
If
you
haven't
already.
C
Just
so
you
guys
know,
I
have
the
stream
going
now
because
we're
okay
after
so
we're,
okay,
we're
gonna,
go
ahead
and
get
started
here,
and
I
I
if
you
don't
mind
safe,
I
just
need
a
few
minutes.
We've
got
to
cover
our
action
items
and
a
couple
of
other
items
then
we'll
hand
it
over
to
you.
We
have
a
special
presentation
today.
Are
you
able
to
help
with
notes
ben
yep
good?
All
right?
C
I
I'm
getting
some
unusual
notifications
about
maybe
limited
bandwidth
on
my
end,
which
I
don't
usually
see.
So
I
think
what
I'm
gonna
do
is
I'm
gonna
I've
got
the
live
stream
going
to
youtube,
but
I'm
also
going
to
record
locally
as
a
backup,
because
I'm
hearing
and
seeing
everyone,
okay,
so
at
least
I'll
have
a
good
recording
if
there's
something
wrong
with
the
live
stream.
C
So
with
that
out
of
the
way
I'm
going
to
hold
off
on
having
seif
introduce
yourself,
since
I
will
have
imagine
you're
doing
that
at
the
beginning
of
your
presentation.
But
since
everyone
here
knows
you,
but
people
watching
and
listening
might
not
so
I'll.
Introduce
yourself
when
you
get
started
quickly,
going
through
action
items.
C
I've
got
one
to
write
up
a
lumio
discussion
thread
about
doing
the
matching
platform
analysis,
but
we're
holding
off
on
this
until
we
hear
back
from
our
friends
at
deloitte
uk
because
they
expressed
some
interest
in
that.
So
we're
gonna,
wait
on
that.
C
One,
john
and
ben
have
been
working
to
follow
up
on
the
internship
possibilities
through
the
handshake
program
and
that
actually
came
up
in
the
recent
discussion
that
we
had
with
ian
roy
who
feels
that
he
can
help
us
to
sort
of
optimize
how
we're
using
that
platform
help
us
get
set
up
better
and
start
to
market.
Some
of
our
other
needs
through
that
platform.
So
that's
another
area
that
it
sounds
like
he
might
be
able
to
help
us
with
john
or
ben
any
other
updates
on
that
one.
B
C
Okay,
masby
had
a
task
to
go,
live
with
the
macroscope
and
he
did
that.
He
also
made
some
really
nice
improvements.
I
just
want
to
show
that
quickly.
Here
looks
very
impressive:
masby
can
you
maybe
just
hel?
I
I'm
not
sure
I
fully
understand
the
meaning
of
some
of
this.
Can
you
explain
quickly
to
us
like
what
do
the
size
of
the
dots
indicate.
B
D
Do
you
guys
hear
me
by
the
way?
Yes,
okay,
all
right
good,
so
probably
john
would
be
the
the
point
person
to
answer
the
stuff,
but
he
forgot
so
the
color
okay.
So
each
thread
has
a
color.
However,
there
are
only
10
colors,
so
they
repeat.
C
C
Okay,
I
see
so
these
are
the
the
initial
post
was
over
here
and
then
replies
go
out
horizontally.
I
see.
B
So
there
you
go
right
so,
what's
going
on
there
now,
it
makes
sense
to
me
that's
a
thread.
The
bubble
gets
larger
as
the
thread
gets
longer.
You
only
see
that
if
you
zoom
in.
C
I
see
and
then
click
on
any
one
of
these
dots.
It
will
take
you
to
the
actual
post
in
question.
C
C
That's
right,
so,
if
you
want
to
look
for
maybe
anything
that
john
schull
has
posted
I'd
like
to
say
it,
it
doesn't
actually
do
full.
It's
gonna
take
that
as
as
it's
gonna
find
anything
with
john
or
schull.
I
believe
so.
C
D
Should
probably
take
this
across
the
line
and
finish
it,
it
is,
you
know
the
the
skeleton
is
there,
but
there
are.
C
B
D
B
D
A
big
if
it's
a
one
keyword
search,
maybe
perhaps
maybe,
but
if
you
want
a
more
advanced
search,
then
no,
as
I
said,
this
is
a
direct
stream
comparison
right.
So.
C
Look:
it's
not
going
to
hurt
us
to
hold
off
for
a
week,
let's
save
that
or
if
time
permits
later
today.
But
let's
save
that
for
our
next
meeting
discussion,
we'll
talk
about
how
to
appropriately
roll
that
out
or
when
it
makes
sense
to
roll
it
out,
but
I
I
certainly
know
I'll
be
using
it.
So
I'm
glad
you're
able
to
do
that.
Thanks,
messi,
quick.
C
E
And
the
the
colors,
what
do
they
relate
to
the
colors.
D
C
C
C
C
Okay
and
let's
see,
let's
look,
take
a
look
at
our
metrics,
I
don't
think
anything
stood
out
here.
You'll
notice
that
the
enable
web
central
metrics
are
empty.
That's
because
I'm
unable
to
get
into
enable
web
central.
Nobody
is
able
to
enable
web
central
because
we
allowed
the
ssl
certificate
to
expire.
I
did
renew
the
certificate
ahead
of
time
and
the
way
their
wording
was
it
sounded
like
it
would
auto
update
on
the
server
it
didn't.
I
am
now
in
the
process
of
getting
the
new
certificate
activated
on
the
server.
C
Unfortunately,
my
engineer
is
out
of
town
until
tomorrow,
so
we
are
down
until
tomorrow.
I
apologize
folks,
but
you
will
be
able
to
get
back
in
securely
tomorrow.
So
apologies
for
the
access
issue
on
the
union,
blog
central,
otherwise.
B
C
Well,
thank
you,
but
I
I
did
drop
the
ball
here,
so
I
apologize
it's
it's
going
to
be
back
up
quickly.
Everything
else
here
is
pretty
typical.
I
want
to
point
out
that
we
did
allocate
some
funds
for
somebody,
because
I
saw
that
went
down
a
couple
of
grand.
That's
a
good
thing.
We
got
to
use
these
funds,
so
let's
keep
projects
coming
in
lumio.
If
you
haven't
already
posted
something
it's
a
good
time
and
then
I
think.
B
I'm
sorry
I'm
trying
to
be
interrupt,
but
I
just
want
to
say
that
rochester
enable
limited
had
a
board
meeting
enabled
volunteer
and
accountant
extraordinaire
evan
blackman
is
now
the
treasurer
of
rochester
enable
limited,
which
is
the
501c3
that
manages
this
bank
account
and
we
had
a
meeting
just
the
other
day
and
the
other
day
the
bank
account
and
the
tally
on
open
collective
matched
to
the
penny.
So
it's
a
new
era
of
accountability
and
transparency.
C
So
we
always
usually
talk
about
the
most
popular
posts
of
the
week
and
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
these
today,
because
I
want
to
leave
all
of
our
time
for
safe
I'll,
just
point
out
that
alexander
shared
his
phoenix
print
in
place
design
and
there's
some
comments
going
on
on
that
joshua
trubinsky
is
looking
for
help
on
a
challenging
case.
There
is
a
link
here
in
the
notes.
C
If
anyone
wants
to
take
a
look
at
that
and
george
mcbroom
is
asking
a
question:
we've
heard
many
times
before:
hey
how
are
other
volunteers
finding
people
to
make
devices
for
so
that'll
bring
us
back
to
a
discussion.
We've
had
many
times
so
we'll
save
those
for
another
time,
but
for
now
I'm
going
to
pass
things
over
to
our
special
guest
today
seif
savage,
who
I'm
hoping
will
please
introduce
yourself
psy
for
anyone
watching
and
then
take
it
from
there.
A
Hi
everyone
it's
such
an
honor
to
be
here
and
a
very
special
thanks
to
the
enable
community
who
has
been
able
to
and
helped
us
to
be
able
to
push
forward
this
research.
So
I'm
currently
an
assistant
professor
at
northeastern
university,
and
I
also
collaborate
with
the
national
autonomous
university
of
mexico
unam
in
mexico
city
and
together,
along
with
enable
we
have
been
able
to
conduct
this
large
scale.
A
With
this
study
around
the
different
types
of
ecosystems
that
exist
around
3d
printed,
assistive
technology
and
we
started
to
understand
what
type
of
collaborations,
how
are
people
working
together
to
push
forward
the
the
use
of
3d
printed
technology?
And
I'm
going
to
present
to
you
today
the
results
of
this
study
and
also,
I
would
love
to
have
discussions
with
you
on
how
we
can
work
together
for
the
future
of
being
able,
especially
thinking
about
that.
A
Now
we
are
a
global
organization
and
so
I'm
very
interested
in
thinking
about
how
we
can
unite
forces
with
different
groups
across
the
world,
which
enable
has
been
doing
a
fantastic
job
in
this
and
against,
but
very
special
thanks
to
all
of
you
who
have
facilitated
this
research.
Can
I
share
my
screen?
Oh
I
see
I
can't
shut
my
screen.
Actually,
so
I'm
showing
down
my
screen,
do
you
guys
see
my
screen.
A
Perfect,
okay,
so
let
us
begin,
let
me
just
I
put
it
for
full
screen
so
today
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
the
research
that
we
did
around
understanding
the
care
ecosystems
of
3d
printed,
assistive
devices
and
again
this
was
done
in
collaboration
with
northeastern
john
and
also
the
university
of
washington,
as
well
as
the
national
towns
university
of
mexico
una.
A
So
what
we
did
was
that
we
interviewed
31
individuals
who
represented
seven
different
countries:
brazil,
chile,
costa
rica,
france,
india,
mexico
and
the
us,
and
all
of
these
individuals
had
different
roles.
There
were
makers,
clinicians
recipients,
and
our
goal
was
to
start
to
better
understand
how
people
from
different
regions
of
the
world,
who
also
have
different
roles,
are
collaborating
with
each
other
to
produce
3d
printed
technology
and
give
support
to
recipients.
A
Why
was
this
important,
because
most
prior
work
had
focused
primarily
on
the
us
and
had
interviewed
primarily
makers
and
a
little
bit
clinicians,
but
there
was
still
gaps
in
terms
of
understanding
how
different
actors
collaborate
with
each
other
and
also
how
this
is
happening
outside
the
us.
And
so
this
is
a
photo
that
represents
the
different
people
that
we
interviewed
and
also
the
different
ecosystems
that
they
represent.
So,
for
instance,
we
had
people
from
the
us
who
represented
enable
and
notice
that
we
have
different
makers
from
enable
different
recipients
and
also
some
clinicians.
A
We
also
were
able
to
interview
people
who
represented
a
private
company
in
the
us
and
who
were
making
3d
printed
assistive
technology,
and
so
we
were
able
to
interview
the
recipients
of
the
products
that
this
company
created
as
well
as
a
maker.
A
We
were
also
able
to
recruit
people
from
mexico
who
are
creating
their
own
devices,
and
here
we
we
connected
with
recipients
of
those
devices
and
clinicians
who
are
giving
support
to
the
the
recipients.
A
We
also
had
people
from
india,
chile,
costa
rica,
brazil
and
france,
and
so
our
goal
was
to
understand
the
different
ways
that
people
from
this
ecosystem
collaborate
from
these
different
ecosystems
collaborated
with
each
other
to
produce
3d
printed
devices
and
and
also
support
care,
and
so
we're
not
studying
we're,
not
characterizing
all
the
ecosystems
that
exist,
but
rather
we're
studying
different
working
examples
about
how
multiple
stakeholders
collaborate
within
these
care,
ecosystems
and
the
main
challenges
they
face,
and
we
use
examples
of
differences
in
how
ecosystems
function
to
better
correct,
characterize
the
key
features
of
these
carego
systems.
A
So
our
goal
is
to
say:
okay,
we're
studying
people
who
care
we're
studying
care
ecosystems
that
have
very
different
cultures
that
are
within
different
geographical
locations,
and
our
goal
is
to
find
common
patterns
that
they
might
have
also
identify.
What
are
the
common
challenges
that
they're
facing
and
use
that
to
characterize
their
ecosystems
and
devise
strategies
through
which
we
can
identify
what
kind
of
things
are
working
best
so
that
we
can
go
towards
those
different
goals?
Here's
examples
of
some
questions
that
we
that
we
had.
We
were
very
interested
in
understanding.
A
What
were
the
interactions
that
people
had
with
their
ecosystem,
also
the
type
of
culture
that
that
they
followed
within
their
ecosystem,
also
their
different
work
dynamics,
so
in
terms
of
ecosystem
interaction,
some
things
that
we
were
interested
in
understanding
was
okay.
So
how
do
you
interact
with
makers?
How
do
you
interact
with
recipients?
How
do
you
interact
with
nurses,
therapists
in
terms
of
culture?
It
was
a
lot
about
okay,
what
are
some
of
the
values
that
you
guys
have
around
3d
printed,
assistive
technology
that
you
believe
resonate
the
most
also.
A
We
were
interested
in
learning
about
their
work
dynamics.
So
do
you
have
a
process
for
working
together
with
makers,
doctors,
nurses,
therapists
and
recipients?
Please
describe,
and
so
we
were
very
interested
in
learning
about
the
different
ways
that
people
work
together
and
we
wanted
to
use
this
within
different
cultural
context
to
find
common
grounds
about
how
people
were
collaborating.
A
A
So
follow-up
is
when,
after
you
give
the
device
to
recipients,
you
provide
support
for
them,
for
instance,
help
them
to
fix
their
device,
help
them
to
learn
how
to
use
and
adapt
their
device
obtain
feedback
about
how
the
device
is
working
in
their
life
are
not
working,
and
what
we
found
was
that
all
ecosystems
struggled
with
providing
follow-up
and
some
ecosystems
were
never
able
to
provide
sustained
follow-up,
and
so
that's
important
that
in
some
ecosystems,
having
providing
sustained
follow-up
just
never
happened.
A
What
we
found
was
that
the
ecosystems
that
were
able
to
have
more
sustained
follow-up-
this
is
a
continuous
way
of
providing
support
to
recipients
after
they
obtained
their
device,
was
on
one
hand
through
the
integration
of
the
maker
culture
in
both
the
lives
of
recipients
and
also
clinicians
for
recipients
getting
associated
with
the
maker
culture,
helped
them
to
view
their
device
as
a
work
in
progress
and
because
their
device
was
a
work
in
progress.
It
meant
that
so
the
maker
culture
has
a
notion
of
you
are
constantly
improving
things.
They
they
provide.
A
The
maker
culture
provides
people
as
well
with
a
growth
mindset,
and
so
this
meant
that
when
recipients
received
their
device-
and
they
were
connected
with
the
maker
culture,
they
had
ideas
about
the
device
that
I
have.
This
is
not
final.
A
I
have
the
opportunity
to
potentially
improve
the
device,
and
so,
as
a
consequence,
they
didn't
give
up
their
device
as
easily,
and
so
the
the
maker
culture
having
access
to
that
type
of
growth
mindset,
seem
to
help
recipients
to
adopt
longer
term
their
device
and
also
with
clinicians,
in
terms
of
being
more
open
to
certain
types
of
collaborations.
A
More
more
explorations,
also
knowing
that
also
having
ideas
about
how
they
could
improve
the
the
device,
for
instance,
in
some
in
some
ecosystems.
One
of
the
things
that
we
found
was
that
clinicians
who,
where
they
had
sustained
follow-up,
the
clinicians
were
the
ones
who
were
driving
a
lot
of
the
shots
with
the
makers
with
the
with
the
recipients.
A
So
it
was
the
clinicians
who
defined
okay,
we're
going
to
create
this
type
of
device
for
this
particular
type
of
of
of
recipient
and
the
clinicians
were
had
certain
skills
related
to
medical
making.
So
so
they
had
ideas
about
the
type
of
designs
that
could
be
done
to
satisfy
the
needs
of
the
recipient,
and
so
the
maker
culture
played
a
key
role
in
terms
of
facilitating
collaboration,
sustained
collaborations
between
the
the
different
actors,
makers,
recipients
and
clinicians,
and
that
facilitated
having
follow-up.
A
A
They
might
seem
a
little
bit
strange
when
you
think
about
it
from
the
maker
culture
which
maker
culture
pushes
for
people
to
volunteer
and
be
working
together
out
of
free
will,
but
those
formal
collaborations
were
important
when
you
wanted
to
get,
for
instance,
universities
involved.
You
also
wanted
to
get
hospitals,
government-based,
hospitals
involved.
A
So,
for
instance,
in
some
cases
we
found
that
recipients
were
paid
to
participate
and
those
payments
were
important
because
the
recipients,
if
not,
they
would
not,
if
they
were
not
paid
recipients,
would
not
be
able
to,
for
instance,
go
to
the
follow-up
sessions,
be
as
much
invested
in
receiving
treatment
for
their
for
improving
how
their
how
they're
working
with
their
device.
A
So,
for
instance,
in
india,
they
had
programs
where
recipients
were
paid
to
go
to
the
clinic
and
receive
follow-up,
and
they
also
covered
costs
associated
with,
for
instance,
transportation.
They
got
buses
to
pick
the
recipients
up
from
their
villages
to
take
them
to
the
clinicians.
Who
would
the
clinicians
and
makers
who
would
provide
the
follow-up?
They
also
gave
them
lunches
so
that
they
could
cover
for
the
needs
that
they
wanted
for
for
for
receiving
the
follow-up
for
for
that
day
in
mexico.
A
Similarly,
they
some
recipients
were
paid
for,
participating
and
and
being
connected
to
certain
clinicians,
and
so
that
was
important
because
you
had
low-income
people
who
were
involved
in
the
ecosystem
and
having
paying
them
to
participate,
help
them
to
to
have
more
sustained
participation,
and
we
do
notice
that
this
can
go
a
little
bit
against,
for
instance,
the
the
maker
culture,
and
so
it's,
I
think,
an
interesting
balance
to
think
about,
because
again,
the
maker
culture
argues
for
free
free
participation
and
doing
things
out
of
fun.
A
And
when
you
have
a
formal
agreement,
it
also
becomes
awkward,
then
that
you're
you're
also
gonna
be
rejecting
work,
because
you're
expecting
certain
type
of
labor
outcomes
from
people
and
also
when
you're
paying
people
as
well.
It
becomes
it
becomes
a
type
of
kind
of
like
a
job,
but
this
facilitated
getting
more
people
to
participate.
A
A
For
instance,
in
terms
of
thinking
about
you
you
right
now,
you
guys
have
guidelines
for
rejecting
certain
designs,
giving
badges
when
a
design
is
very
well
structured,
but
I
think
that
there
might
be
opportunities
in
terms
of
integrating
these
types
of
formal
agreements
across
enable
for
facilitating,
especially
follow-up.
A
So
not
now,
not
not
just
thinking
about
designs
that
are
created,
but
also
how
you
can
establish
those
formal
agreements
to
ensure
that
all
recipients
are
obtaining
follow-up,
and
here
I
think
that
there's
also
value
in
thinking
about
having
compensated
participation
that
this
can
be
especially
important
in,
for
instance,
regions
of
the
world
where
people
are
not
able,
if
they're,
not
paid
they're,
not
even
able
to
participate,
and
so
I
think,
if
we
want
to
be
inclusive
for
everyone,
we
have
to
better
understand
the
different
needs
that
the
different
actors
have
makers
clinicians
recipients
in
order
to
really
involve
them
in
the
process.
A
I
think
also,
there
are
design
opportunities
in
terms
of
systems
for
providing
sustained
follow-up
and
also
with
multiple
stakeholder
participation,
and
so
here
I
think
it's
also
facilitating
collaborations
across
ecosystems.
This
is
the
storehouse
for
cross
ecosystem
collaboration.
So
better
understanding,
which
I
think
also
john,
was
mentioning
that
enable
has
been
starting
to
push
this
this
these
some
of
these
ideas,
because
here
I
think,
there's
value
in
terms
of
understanding.
For
instance,
what
do
certain
ecosystems
do
do
very
well,
and
how
can
we
highlight
that
so
that
others
can
adopt
their
learnings?
A
A
Oh,
this
echo
system
is
missing
this
and
this
and
this,
but
this
other
ecosystem
has
been
able
to
implement
this
x
y
and
z,
and
so,
let's
connect
them
so
that
they
can
collaborate
and
address
and
help
each
other
address
certain
challenges,
and-
and
I
do
think
that
with
the
newsletters
that
ben
is
creating
that
that
is
a
step
forward
in
terms
of
addressing
the
those
those
types
of
issues
but
moving
forward.
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
value
in
thinking
about
how
does
enable
look
like
globally,
and
how
can
we?
A
How
can
we
help
the
different
stakeholders
to
work
together,
especially
with
different
backgrounds,
and
so
those
were
some
of
the
things
that
I
wanted
to
discuss,
and
I
would
be
very
honored
to
now
just
discuss
with
you
and
thank
you
again
very
much.
It
was
a
true
honor
to
be
to
be
here.
B
B
A
So
we
we
considered
ecosystems
as
organizations
where
people
were
the
different
stakeholders
were
working
together
with
with
each
other
to
achieve
a
common
goal,
and
so,
for
instance,
within
the
us.
A
We
had
different
ecosystems,
because
we
saw
that,
for
instance,
enable
was
not
necessarily
working
with
the
private
companies
and
the
private
companies
had
their
own
stakeholders
that
they
that
they
involved
and
they
did
not
overlap
with
who
enable
was
was
working
with,
and
so
we
considered,
for
instance,
those
two
separate
ecosystems
within
within
the
case
of
and
right
now,
I'm
yeah
with
it,
and
that
also
happened
regionally,
for
instance
in
with
mexico.
A
So
with
mexico,
what
we
found
was
that
there
were
some
groups
who
were
working
with
the
government
and
they
were
very
much
independent
of
of
each
other.
And
then
we
had
other
groups
who
were
working
with
purely
enable
and
they
they
worked
independently
from
from
each
other.
And
so
that's
how
we're
viewing
ecosystems-
and
I
think
that.
D
A
Within
the
countries
it's
it
depends
a
lot
on
the
background
of
the
different
actors
who
are
involved.
So
when
you
have
government
actors,
when
you
have
private
industry
that
that
changes,
the
dynamic
of
the
ecosystem.
B
Have
follow-up
questions
but
I
want
to
I
I
have
so
many
follow-up
questions
that
I
really
want
to
urge
other
people
to
jump
in,
as
as
they
have
some,
I
don't
want
to
dominate
the
conversation,
but
I'll
give
you
a
follow-up
question
while
they
get
their
thoughts
together
and
feel
free
to
interrupt
either
verbally
or
using
the
chat.
B
B
You
know,
given
my
interest
in
ecosystems,
these
days
is
a
really
helpful
way
of
thinking
about
it.
In
some
ways,
then
the
chapters
have
to
adapt
to
the
ecosystem,
the
same
way
that
organisms
have
to
adapt
to
biological
ecosystems,
but
there
are
patterns
in
ecosystems,
and
I'm
wondering
if
you
have
the
beginnings
of
a
typology
here,
for
example,
there
are
ones
where
I
mean
you've.
B
A
Yeah,
that's
a,
and
I
think
that
you're
right
that
the
chap
you
we
can
see
the
chapters
as
groups
that
are
within
the
ecosystem
and
and
so
and
you're
right
that
the
chapters
adapt
to
the
the
norms
that
the
ecosystem
is
defining
for
them.
A
So
some
of
the
main
features
that
we
found
of
the
different
ecosystems
were
precisely
about
whether
or
not
they
had
formal
collaborations
in
place
and
that
type
of
dynamic
having
formal
collaborations
in
place
changed
whether
or
not
they
involved,
whether
or
not
they
were
able
to
provide
sustained,
sustained
participation
from
the
different
stakeholders.
A
Other
other
types
of
of
factors
that
that
we
found
was
how
much
they
were
also
adapting
the
maker
culture
into
their
into
how
they
were
operating
so,
for
instance,
for
some
ecosystems.
It
was
even
important
to
have
workshops
where
everyone
learned
about
the
maker
culture
and
so
that
that
I
think
was
also
another
feature
of
another
characteristic
of
of
the
of
the
differences
between
ecosystems.
E
A
Normal
to
have
clinicians
recipients
and
makers,
working
together
and
other
ecosystems,
for
instance,
clinicians,
would
have
more
hesitation
to
join,
and
so
that
that
I
think,
is
also
another
feature
that
affected
the
type
of
interactions
and
type
of
work
outcomes,
as
well
also
thinking
about,
for
instance,
in
the
cases
where
clinicians
were
not
as
involved.
B
A
Where
clinicians
were
missing
also,
usually
also
the
follow-up
actually
in
all
the
cases
that
we
found
when
clinicians
were
missing,
their
follow-up
was
not
something
that
was
implemented
in
a
sustainable
manner,
so
it
was
more
of
oh.
I
found
my
my
neighbor
is
a
recipient,
and
so
I
sometimes
give
them
help,
but
in
cases
where
clinicians
were
heavily
involved,
they
had
complete
mechanisms
for
giving
follow-up.
B
I
would
happily
watch
this
talk
again,
but
I
would
love
to
see
a
slide
that
lays
that
out
great
idea
actually.
A
B
Okay,
I'm
just
gonna
wait
for
someone
else.
Sarah
do
I
recognize
you
as
the
merrimack
grad
now
prosthetist.
D
Me
what
I'm.
B
Okay,
yeah.
D
E
As
there
is
a
journalist
working
in
public
radio
in
minnesota,
so
she's
joining
us
today
to
learn
a
little
bit
more
about
a
mabel
and
she's
done.
Some
pretty
remarkable
research
in
cambodia
and
other
parts
places
around
the
world
with
sort
of
accessibility
and
access
to
services
and
healthcare.
B
How
great
that
you're
here?
Well
as
long
as
you're
here
and
the
journalist,
do
you
have
any
questions
for
safe.
D
Right
right
now,
I'm
just
sort
of
taking
it
in.
I
think
I
I
might
have
some
some
follow-up
that
I
I
would
pass
along,
but
right
now
I'm
just
I'm
happy
to
be
here.
So
thank
you
for
for
having
me
at
this
meeting,
I'm
most
interested
in
feature
reporting
on
public
health
and
and
and
healthcare
and
met
ben
in
cambodia
doing
disability
access
research.
So
you
know.
B
C
And
on
that
note,
sarah,
I
hope
you
can
join
us
at
some
other
point.
Every
friday
we
have
these
meetings
and
you're
welcome
to
join
any
time
that
you're
available.
This
is
a
bit
of
an
atypical
one,
just
because
we
do
have
a
special
presentation
today.
Normally
there
would
be
a
lot
more
interactivity
and
discussion,
so
I
hope
you
can
join
us
another
time.
Thank.
A
Great
to
meet
you
sarah
very
interesting
work.
I
I
saw
that
ben
also
put
a
question
in
the
in
the
chat.
I
don't
know
ben.
If
you
want
to
mention
it
or
I
can
read
it
and
great
to
meet
you
sarah
sure
nice
to
meet
you
too.
E
Yeah,
I
thought
it
was
it's
interesting
how
payment
has
been
something
that
has
been
contentious
in
some
ways
within
enable,
but
it's
usually
thought
of
as
a
device
users
paying
for
their
devices,
and
I
thought
it
was
really
significant
that
safe
talked
about
the
importance
of
paying
device
users
to
test
out
their
devices
and
and
the
contracts
that
are
involved
with
that.
So,
as
as
a
a
concise
comment
for
you,
did
you
find
any
contracts
that
were
the
opposite
of
that?
Where
device
users
were
paying
for
services
or
was.
E
A
No,
we
actually,
I
think,
that
the
person
one
of
the
recipients,
I
believe,
was
actually
involved
in
the
ecosystem
from
paul
from
from
the
paraguay
like
like
they
were,
they
were
a
recipient
that
were
was
in
chile
and
were
was
related
to
to
the
ecosystem
about
what
would
pull
apart.
Why
was
doing
so?
Actually
there,
for
instance,
they
had
a
program
in
that
ecosystem.
A
They
had
a
program
where
recipients
had
a
whatsapp
group
and
if,
let's
say
that
their
device
would
suddenly
fail,
they
would
ask
a
maker
to
come
to
their
house
to
fix
it
and
they
would
give
the
maker
a
small,
small
small
donations
for
it,
for
the
maker
to
come.
A
Recipients
specifically
mentioned
that
they
really
like
that
dynamic
because
they
like
to
give
payments
in
terms
of,
if
not,
they
would
sometimes
feel
embarrassed
about
asking
for
help
and
so
and-
and
they
would
feel
that,
oh
I
I
don't
want
to
bother
them,
and
so
they
they
like
that
aspect
of
payments,
because
then
it
stopped
being
it.
It
was
a
way
in
which
they
would
get
more
rapid
help.
They
would
not
feel
embarrassed
about
asking
for
help
and
that
helped
them
to
use
their
their
device
longer
term.
A
So
what
we
found
was
that
they
had
they
have
a
whatsapp
group
where
recipients
post
like
oh,
I
need
help
in
fixing
this
and
this
and
this
and
then
a
maker
would
say:
okay,
I'm
available
how
like,
and
they
there
they
would
directly
say
how
much
they
were
going
to
pay
them
to
I'm
not
sure
if
they
had
established
guidelines
for
for
the
payments,
but
it
was
basically
small
small
payments.
A
Everything
was
transparent
and
then
the
maker
would
go
to
the
recipient's
house
too
to
to
to
fix
to
to
do
that.
That
fix.
E
Yeah-
and
I
I
do
remember
talking
to
paul
paraguay
about
that-
and
it
was
something
where
they
started
out,
having
all
their
devices
provided
for
free
and
then
realized
that
they
were
struggling
with
the
follow-up
and
it
wasn't
until
they
had
implemented.
Basically,
a
sliding
scale
of
you
know:
what's
the
least
amount
that
we
can
ask
device
users
and
their
families
to
contribute
it
increased
sort
of
the
community
support,
I
guess
pretty
common
in
paraguay.
They
would
sort
of
have
like
a
block
party
that
raised
funds
for
a
device.
E
E
At
length
about
you
know,.
A
In
mexico
that
dynamic
that
you're,
mentioning
ben
is
very
interesting,
I
saw
it
also
in
mexico.
I
had
not
related
it
to
to
this,
so
basically
in
mexico.
What
would
happen
is
that
they
would
have
like
small
parties
for
when
a
person
got
a
device.
A
But
I
didn't
I
I
didn't
ask
about
them
getting
funding
for
for
the
device,
but
but
it
might
have
been
actually
a
type
of
potluck
for
for
raising
funds,
and
I
think
that
those
types
of
initiatives
do
help
to
get
longer
term
support
for
for
for
the
recipient
to
adopt
the
device,
because
there's
more
pressure
that
the
community
came
together
for
them,
and
so
now
they
feel
like.
Oh,
I
have
to
use
the
device
because
everyone
came
together.
Yes,
sorry,
I'm.
B
Sorry,
I
just
want
to
say
that
my
impression
from
talking
to
paraguay
is
that
there's
an
additional
dimension
to
that.
Also,
which
is
not
only
does
the
the
amputee
get
a
device.
They
also
get
a
community
support
network
and
you
know,
as
we
increasingly
realize,
the
computing
support
network
is
as
important
as
the
device
itself
and,
as
you
point
out,
they
support
each
other.
The
community
network
encourages
and
celebrates
the
use
of
the
device.
The
use
of
the
device
encourages
the
community.
You
know,
enthuses
the
community.
A
I
think
that's
a
very
important
direction,
john,
and
I
agree
with
you-
that's
that's
something
that
we
I
do
need
to
highlight.
I
think
more
as
well,
in
the
results
and
I'll
highlight
I'll
aim
to
highlight
all
of
this
more
in
the
slides
I
you're.
A
I
love
this
notion
about
you're,
not
only
getting
a
device
you're,
also
getting
a
community
support
network,
and
maybe
it
could
be
interesting
to
think
about
how
we
could
standardize
that,
in
terms
of
ensuring
that
we're
giving
people
devices
and
also
this
access
of
a
community
support
network.
B
So
on
that
theme,
jeff
powell
and
the
group
in
south
carolina
north
carolina,
one
of
the
carolinas,
which
is
now
eight
universities,
have
really
pioneered
and
specialized
in
providing
semi-annual
gatherings
for
families
of
recipients,
and
it's
a
it's
at
least
as
valuable
as
the
devices
themselves
and
they've
done.
A
really
good
job
of
creating
templates
for
that
and
they
may
in
the
future,
do
a
good
job
of
distributing
those
templates.
But
it
needs
more
attention
and
they're,
really
terrific.
E
In
terms
of
the
current
enable
best
practices,
we
do
have
some
literature
about,
not
charging
for
devices
it
does
seem
like
paying
device
users
is.
Is
it
sounds
like
from
what
safe
was
saying?
Is
it
an
equally
successful
way
of
of
motivating
them
to
be
involved?
You
know,
and
you
still
could
have
those
those
similar
kind
of
potlucks.
So
it's
it's
a
inverse
of.
E
You
know
what
what
typically
has
been
a
dividing
line
between
enable
activities
and
commercial
activities,
but
it
definitely
seems
like
something
to
explore
and
maybe
to
revisit
within
our
guidelines.
I
guess.
A
The
idea
ben
actually-
and
I
I
hadn't,
realized
that
that
aspect
about
paying
recipients
was
very
different
than
what
is
traditionally
done
and
mexico,
india,
I
think
also
brazil.
They
were
in
in
brazil.
A
I
I
think
that
they
made
us
a
point
of
not
never
giving
monetary
monetary
not
never
giving
money
to
people,
so
they
would
give,
for
instance,
let's
say
a
lunch
or
or
into
clinicians
similarly
like
no,
nobody
would
get
paid,
but
they
would
get
funding
in
other
forms,
for
instance,
maybe
material,
and
so
but
they
had
a
very
strong
rule
about
never
giving
money.
A
I
I
don't
know
why
exactly
they
had
that
specific
rule,
but
for
them
it
was
very
important
to
never
give
money
in
mexico
and
india.
I
think
that
they
did,
but
they
did
also
provide
funding
in
terms
of
buses
and
and
and
lunches
as
well,
but
but
there
it
wasn't
as
as
cut
of
not
not
giving
money.
B
It
may
well
be
that
the
the
meaning
of
the
money
and
the
way
you
give
it
varies
and
the
impact
of
the
meaning
of
the
money
and
the
way
you
give
it
varies
from
culture
to
culture.
In
you
know,
I
I
I'm
impressed
these
days
that
the
american
health
care
industry
is
not
really
about
health
and
it's
not
about
care.
It's
about
industry,
it's
about
making
money
by
selling
treatments
for
diseases
and
well,
it's
a
very
profitable
business
model.
B
It's
not
necessarily
particularly
caring
or
even
particularly
effective
in
meeting
the
needs
of
of
the
people
who
receive
the
services.
I
like
to
say
that
enable
is
fundamentally
about
care
that
the
whole
notion
of
volunteers,
helping
other
underserved
populations
in
the
absence
of
payment,
allows
us
to
optimize
the
care
aspect.
B
B
The
underbelly
of
that
same
observation,
though,
is
that
we
don't
do
a
good
job
of
providing
follow-up,
which
would
be
a
real
hallmark
of
a
really
well
organized
care
system,
and
I
suspect
that
the
finance
is
an
important
piece
of
why
we
don't
do
a
good
job
of
follow-up.
So
it's
it's
really
interesting.
B
I
think
you
know
one
begins
to
get
a
sense
of
what
patterns
of
interaction
constitute
genuine
patient-centric
care,
and
then
the
question
is-
and
you
know
today,
I'm
saying
that
enable
is
not
doing
a
perfect
job
of
it
and
the
healthcare
industry
isn't
doing
a
perfect
job
of
it.
B
Once
you've
identified
that
what
I
imagine
to
be
an
iterative
process
of
interaction
that
we
call
care,
how
do
you
optimize
for
that?
And
how
do
you
use
the
available
tools,
whether
they
are
social
communities
or
payments,
or
free
transportation
or
lunches
or
prizes
or
badges,
in
order
to
support
that
pattern?.
A
I
love
that
idea,
john
and
I
think
you're
absolutely
right.
It's
it's
a
matter
of
thinking.
What
does
patient-centric
care
look
like
and
then
we
can
go
off
it
and
think
about
okay.
How
can
we
use
existing
tools
to
optimize
for
it
great
great
vision?
I
want
to
mention
something
I
I
might
have
to.
I
think
I
have
to
go
because
I
have
class
at
12,
and
so
I
have
to
directly
walk,
but
it
was
a
big
honor
to
be
here.
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
for
the
invitation
and
feel
free
to
email
me
any
questions
or
if
I
can
be
of
any
help,
and
I
would
love
to
be
in
touch,
I'm
gonna
aim
to
join
the
future
meetings.
Now
that
I'm
established
I
had
to
like
where
it
was
very
exotic,
I
wasn't
able
to
join,
but
I'm
I'm
happy
to
be
back.
Thank
you.
D
We
had
some
ideas
that
sound
exactly
like
the
findings
that
she
had
like,
perhaps
having
a
bit
of
financial
buy-in
from
people
when
they
need
like
follow-ups
or
maintenance
or
having
more
formalized
expectations
and
contracts
for
recipients
and
makers
and
such
that
that
could
help
us
maintain
contact
with
recipients
over
the
whole
process.
So
it's
really
cool
to
hear
that
she
went
out
and
proved
it.
B
You
know
safe
cyphers
she's
still
here,
but
she'll.
Forgive
me
if
I
say
she's
hot
stuff.
These
days
she's
been
listed
in
many
30
under
30
groups.
She's
got
she
does
a
remarkably
wide
range
of
what
you
might
call
research
on
pro
social
technology
related
movements,
and
so
I
think
it's
a
very
big
deal
that
she's
doing
such
good
and
continued
work
with
us
and
that
she's
going
to
be
continue
to
be
involved.
I
think
it
bodes
very
well
for
the
science
and
the
practice
of
what
we
do.
E
B
Just
gonna
say
her
academic
paper
is
available
to
anyone
who
really
wants
to
dig
into
it.
It's
much
like
most
academic
papers,
it's
much
thicker
and
deeper
and
frankly
harder
to
get
the
big
picture
than
her
presentation.
But
if
you
want
to
drill
down
she's
done
the
full
deal,
she's
got,
you
know,
graphs
and
analyses
and
so
on
and
so
there's
a
lot
there.
E
Maybe
we
can
add
some
of
those
links
into
the
post
for
the
town
hall
this
week.
So
if
people
go
back
and
watch
the
video,
they
can
see
your
presentation
and
see
her
research
paper
so
I'll
follow
up
with
her.
On
that
I
was
gonna.
Ask
jeremy.
I
know
that
we
had
some
extended
discussions
about,
you
know
payment
and
how
that
impacts.
You
know
enable
activities
versus
you
know,
maybe
somebody
who
partners
with
enable
but
does
things
outside
of
sort
of
the
enable
community.
E
That's
it's
pretty
common
that
most
chapters
you
know
they'll,
do
architectural
design
work
and
they'll
charge
for
it,
but
then
they'll
also
do
free
devices.
I
mean
there's
there's
a
range
of
things
that
different
organizations
and
volunteers
do.
Some
of
them
are
considered
enabled
you
know
efforts
and
other
ones
aren't.
I
was
curious
about
your
take
on
what
paraguay
discovered
and
what
state
was
talked
about
with
fighting
skill
and
small
payments
as
a
sort
of
a
baseline
for
a
contract
of
follow-up
and
care.
E
So
it
sounds
like
both
of
those
took
place
within
her
research
study
so
of
the
31
people
that
she
interviewed.
Some
were
charging
like
pope.
Paraguay
has
a
sliding
scale.
They
look
at
income.
I
think
it's
it's
it's
a
model,
that's
actually
based
on
their
national
health
care
system
that
they
borrowed
from
one
of
the
partners
to
figure
out.
E
You
know
what
is
somebody's
income
and
it
goes
to
free,
but
it
also
extends
to
you
know,
sort
of
a
limited
investment
or
contribution
from
device
users
to
use
the
devices
and
and
are
taking
the
services
and
then
there's
other
ones.
Where
that
the
chapters
were
paying
device,
users
to
use
the
devices
and
give
the
feedback
either
way,
there's
sort
of
that
extended
relationship
and
payment.
C
Yeah,
I
I
mean
I
don't
really
have
any
thoughts
about
it,
except,
as
you
already
pointed
out,
you
know
we,
the
discussion
that
we
did
have.
We
came
up
with
some
language
that
the
community
agreed
on
when
it
comes
to
charging
for
devices
now
you
know,
can
we
revisit
that
and
phrase
it
differently?
Of
course
I
mean
that's
the
nature
of
the
community.
We
can
always
change
direction.
I
I
I.
B
C
B
C
But
yeah
I
mean
there's
just
there's
a
lot,
there's
a
lot
of
complexities.
I
think
charging
for
something
increases,
liability
and
risk.
I
think
it
sets
a
different
kind
of
expectations
than
saying
that
this
is
an
experimental
device
being
made
in
collaboration
with
a
you
know,
a
user
kind
of
a
like
what
we've
tried
to
do.
I
think
that,
in
addition
to
changing
you
know,
potential
liabilities,
it
also
can.
C
I
think
it
can
introduce
complexities
with
regards
to
licensing.
You
know
a
lot
of
these
designs.
Are
I
mean
these
aren't
our
designs.
These
were
all
created
by
various
individuals,
who've
shared
them
as
open
source
designs
with.
I
think
the
intention
that
you
not
be
charging
money
for
them,
but,
of
course,
there's
ways
around
that
you
can
charge
for
a
service
instead
of
charging
for
a
device
and
it's
a
bigger
discussion.
I
I
I've
always
preferred
the
idea
of
of.
D
C
It's
about
what
works
to
me,
it's
about
what
is
what
is
going
to
help
the
people
that
need
the
help.
So
you
know
I
I
don't
see
anything
wrong
with
the
idea
that
some
people
are
in
a
position
to
pay
for
a
device
and
others
are
not,
and
I
like
the
idea
of
allowing
for
for
both,
I
might
I
might
personally
prefer
a
model
of
sort
of
you
know,
pay
what
you
can
as
opposed
to
making
it
required
payment.
You
know,
sometimes
it's
like
here's
a
suggested
donation.
C
You
know
things
like
that,
but
kind
of
leave
it
more
to
people
there's
a
lot
of
different
ways.
You
could
do
that.
B
Just
in
the
minute,
the
remains
I've
had
a
a
new,
half-baked
idea
about
yet
another
model.
I
could
imagine
putting
a
call
out
to
the
amputee
community
saying:
there's
a
paid
position
available
for
a
device
and
team
shakedown
specialist.
B
B
C
C
So
that's
what's
interesting
about
you
know
looking
at
what
people
are
doing
in
some
of
these
areas
as
far
as
paying
different,
you
know,
there's
different
places
in
the
process
where
you
could
apply
payments,
you
can
use
payments
to
modify
makers.
You
can,
you
know,
use
payments
to
motivate
motive,
motivate
you
know
your
device
users
to
share
feedback.
You
can.
You
know,
there's
different
ways
that
that
can
be
applied
and
to
me
what's
what's
interesting,
is
you
know
what's
working?
Which
of
those
approaches
have
actually
led
to
getting
more
people
involved
in
the
process?
E
That
extended
feedback
too
talked
about
a
couple
times.
You
know
being
something
that
was
in
place
when
there
was
a
long-term
relationship
with
clinicians
and
wasn't
really
a
key
feature
when
it
wasn't.
I
thought
that
was
an
interesting
observation
for
other
models.
You
know
similar
to
what
john
was
saying
in
pakistan:
the
team
there
had
something
set
up
similar
to
not
like
a
gofundme,
but
they
would
have.
E
They
would
collect
specific
sponsors
for
each
user
or
device,
so
they
would
say
this
device
is
sponsored
by
you
know
this
group
or
this
organization,
and
they
would
organize
that
ahead
of
time.
My
memory
is,
I'd
have
to
look
at
it
again,
but
my
memory
is
that
they
would
sort
of
have
their
the
people
supporting
the
organization
specifically
be
connected
to
the
different
cases.
C
Idea,
you
know
if
we
could
pull
it
off.
You
can
imagine
a
page
on
whatever
our
main
website
ends
up
being
that
has
kind
of
a
gallery
of
potential
recipients,
and
you
basically
can
choose
to
sponsor
any
one
of
them.
I
could
see
that
definitely,
but
you
know:
there's
a
there's,
a
big
sort
of
process,
element
behind
that
and,
of
course,
getting
permission
from
each
individual
to
share
their
case
and
all
that,
but
it
has
some
interesting
potential.
C
Yeah
I've
always
felt
like
our
approach
to
fundraising,
has
been
a
little
bit
vague.
I
I've
always
liked
the
idea
of
even
if
we
don't
go
as
far
as
tying
it
to
a
specific
case.
I
think
we
can
do
a
much
better
job
of
saying
if
you
donate
this
amount,
you
know
at
this
level
it
will
enable
us
to
do
xyz,
almost
kind
of
putting
together
packages
for
sponsorships
and
and
being
more
clear
about
what
a
certain
amount
will
enable
us
to
accomplish
and
that
that's
one
way
of
doing
that
in
a
very
detailed
way.
E
Right
and
with
so
much
being
dependent
on
kind
of
cultural,
I
don't
know
orientation.
I
think
you
know
that
having
the
chapters
have
all
these
different
ways
of
doing
that,
you
know,
with
the
sponsorship
of
you,
know:
paying
device
users
asking
device
users
to
contribute
on
a
sliding
scale,
giving
them
away
for
free.
E
C
I
like
that
approach
of
donations.
For
that
reason,
because
then
we're
not
really
charging
but
we're
still
getting
the
financial
support
needed
to
the
people
that
need
it.
I
think
that's
worth
having
some
follow-up
discussion
about.
C
I
can
see
it
being
a
mixed
approach
where
you
have
almost
like,
like
I
said,
kind
of
a
gallery
page
where
you
can
choose
what
you
want
to
support
and
that
could
include
specific
cases
where
you
have
a
picture
of
a
person
and
you
can
choose
to
support
that
person's
case,
but
it
could
also
support
some
of
these
other
initiatives
that
we
have.
Maybe
you
want
to
donate?
C
You
know
a
thousand
dollars
to
support
this
project
that
we
need
to
get
done
or
some
development
initiative,
or
you
know
any
of
those
other
things
that
we
have
on
our
list,
that
it
could.
We
could
have
kind
of
a
gallery
of
support.
You
know
things
that
could
include
both
cases
and
other
things
that
you
could
be
very
specific
about.
What
you
want
to
you
know:
support
within
the
community.
There's
there's
a
lot
of
potential
in
that.
B
B
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
seif
newly
installed
in
boston,
ian
roy
well
installed
and
enthusiastically
picking
up
on
various
aspects
of
enable
eric
bubar
who's
interested
in
r
d
at
marymount
and
jeff
powell
are
all
you
know,
the
four
of
them
each
have
different
superpowers
and
they're
all
thinking
about
this
whole
question
of
what
might
be
their
role
in
taking
enable
forward.
B
So
I
think
this
presentation
is
really
good
background
for
all
of
them
and
we
should
make
sure
that
they,
they
know
that
it's
that
it's
there
and
this
discussion,
I
think,
is
really
good
grist
for
their
mill
about
what
kind
of
enable
they
think
they
can
take
into
the
future.
I'm
feeling
good
about
it.
B
E
Okay,
this
is
a
different
sort
of
topic,
but
the
the
focus
follow-up
workshop
has
been
rescheduled
for
next
week.
I
got
a
message
from
paraguay:
they
they
apologize
for
the
the
the
late
cancellation
but
they'll,
be
ready
for
next
week
to
present
about
their
research
in
lower
limbs,
it'll
be
in
spanish
and
then
with
the
automatic
captions
it'll,
be
we'll
be
able
to
translate
it
to
english,
but
I've
shared
that
in
the
hub
just
wanted
to
update
everybody
here
and
that
would
have
been
today
yeah.
E
It
would
have
been
today
at
1
p.m,
and
now
it's
next
friday
at
1pm.
B
Will
you
be
able
to
show
up
at
1pm
just
to
explain
this
to
people
who
didn't
get
the
memo.
E
Yeah
yeah,
I
can
go
and
I
did
email,
the
last
40
new
members
from
spanish
speaking
countries.
I
responded
to
them
in
an
email
but
I'll
I'll
go
today
and
I'll
I'll
see.
If
I
can
catch
anybody
that
didn't
get
the
the
message.
C
C
This
time
that
we
are
meeting
currently
on
fridays
for
the
town
hall,
probably
not
a
good
time
for
most
of
them,
we
might
want
to
think
about
moving
it,
because
these
are
these
are
sessions
that
I
would
love
for
them
to
be
able
to
join
us
for
so
just
something
to
think
about.
We
can
have
that
discussion
next
time.
E
Sure
enough,
maybe
the
the
beginning
of
the
week
or
even
over
the
weekend.
I
I
think
the
by
the
end
of
the
week
in
most
schools
people
are,
you
know
one
foot
out
the
door.
So
any
any
discussion
topics
it
can
be
hard
to
to
get
that
stuff
going
on
a
monday
after
after
the
break,
okay.
B
C
E
Sure
so
ian
seif,
jeff.