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From YouTube: Weekly e-NABLE Town Hall Meeting - March 24, 2023
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This is a recording of the weekly e-NABLE Town Hall meeting.
The notes/agenda document can be found here: https://bit.ly/e-nable-town-hall-notes
If you want to join into the meeting itself, you are welcome to do so. You'll find the Zoom link in the events calendar on the Hub.
A
Okay,
we
are
live.
Welcome
back
everyone
to
another
town
hall.
Let
me
get
my
screen
shared
here
all
right.
Let
me
shift
my
view
around
I
do
have
the
YouTube
live
chat
here
on
the
lower
right
that
we
can
all
see.
A
So
if
anybody
chimes
in
via
the
YouTube
page
we'll
see
that
there,
okay,
so
I'm
going
to
handle
things
a
little
bit
differently
today,
I
hope
nobody
Minds
we're
going
to
skip
over
all
of
our
usual
stuff
and
we're
going
to
come
back
to
all
of
that
later
in
the
meeting
time
permitting
I
want
to
go
straight
into
our
discussion
topics
because,
quite
frankly,
I'd
like
to
get
through
this
and
and
and
put
this
first
topic
behind
us
so
I'm
going
to
go
right.
B
A
We're
just
getting
started
here
and
I
was
just
explaining
that
I'm
going
to
actually
skip
over
all
of
our
usual
stuff,
the
action
items
and
the
stuff
from
The
Hub
we'll
come
back
to
that
a
little
bit
later
in
the
meeting.
I
just
want
to
kind
of
Dive
Right
into
our
initial
topic
and
kind
of
get
this
out
of
the
way.
A
As
always,
I'd
appreciate
any
help
you
can
give
with
note
taking
Sarah.
You
have
that
link.
Of
course,
right.
A
Perfect,
thank
you
so
I'm
going
to
go
right
into
the
topic
that
we
need
to
start
with,
which
is
a
little
bit
of
unpleasant
business.
We
have
to
talk
about
Nate
Monroe,
one
of
our
volunteers,
who's,
the
chapter
leader
of
the
Littleton
Colorado
chapter
and
I'm,
going
to
request
that
you
guys
give
me
a
little
bit
of
time
here
to
just
run
through
some
history
and
some
of
the
basic
facts,
so
that
those
of
you
who
are
not
familiar
with
the
situation
can
get
up
to
speed.
A
Then
we're
going
to
have
some
open
discussions
so
that
everyone
can
share
their
input
and
we'll
try
to
limit
that
to
about
15
minutes
just
because
we
could
easily
take
up
the
whole
session
with
this.
Otherwise,
and
we
will
then
talk
about
some
proposed
next
steps
and
then
we
will
vote
to
make
sure
that
everyone
is
in
agreement
with
that.
Does
that
General
approach
sound
okay
to
everyone
here,
okay,
I
see
a
thumbs
up
and
a
nod
I'm
going
to
go
forward
all
right.
A
So
just
a
couple
of
preliminary
facts
here
for
context:
John
Shull
and
myself,
both
co-founders
of
the
enable
Community.
We
have
both
invested
thousands
of
hours
into
building
and
supporting
this
community
and
helping
improve
the
lives
as
many
people
as
possible.
I
would
hope
that
that
would
be
clear
to
most
people
in
the
community.
You
know:
we've
we've
really
given
quite
a
lot
of
of
ourselves
to
this.
In
addition
to
all
that
time
and
energy
we've
both
also
made
quite
significant
Investments
of
our
own
money.
A
I
can't
speak
to
the
specific
amounts
in
John's
case,
but
I
can
tell
you
with
me
that
that
has
been
an
over
200
000
of
my
own
money
that
I
have
put
into
this
community,
all
of
which
is
well
documented
and
never
have.
We
received
any
kind
of
benefit
from
the
community
in
terms
of
any
kind
of
monetary
benefit.
A
We
get
occasional
reimbursement
for
very
specific
expenses
which
come
nowhere
near
to
the
amount
that
we're
putting
into
the
community,
and
those,
of
course
have
all
been
approved
by
voting
of
the
community
while
John
and
I
are
neither
one
of
us
is
under
any
kind
of
an
illusion
that
we
are
flawless
in
any
way.
Of
course,
we
all
make
mistakes.
A
I
also
want
to
point
out
that
Nate
Monroe
has
received
funding
in
the
past
for
developing
his
niop
designs.
We
put
a
pretty
significant
amount
of
money
into
that,
and
he
did.
He
did
a
lot
of
work.
No
doubt
he
came
up
with
some
very
interesting
designs,
but
those
designs
have
been
found
to
be
pretty
complex
and
intimidating,
and
the
documentation
is
pretty
hard
to
follow.
A
We've
really
done
our
best
to
encourage
him
to
make
that
simpler
and
easier
to
follow
and
get
better
tutorials
out
there
to
make
it
easier
for
people
to
start
using
these,
but
despite
our
best
efforts
to
try
to
push
it
in
that
direction,
the
niop
designs
really
have
never
seen
significant
adoption
throughout
the
community.
Just
as
an
example,
we
have
issued
over
400
badges
for
our
Phoenix
Designs.
We
have
issued
a
total
of
three
badges
for
the
niop
designs.
A
Just
gives
you
a
sense
of
that
kind
of
lack
of
adoption,
it's
not
to
say,
there's
anything
wrong
with
the
designs.
It's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
brilliant
Concepts
in
there,
but
in
order
for
it
to
actually
have
an
impact
and
get
adopted
and
used
frequently
in
the
community,
it
has
to
be
approachable.
It
has
to
be.
You
know
something
that
people
can
feel
like
they
can
handle,
and
it
just
never
got
to
that
point.
A
It
just
went
straight
to
a
proposal,
so
there
was
a
bit
of
a
policy
violation
right
from
the
start
which
we
pointed
out,
but
we
let
it
go
when
the
necessary
votes
for
the
approval
were
not
forthcoming.
You
have
to
understand
when
we
every
single
proposal
that
has
gone
out
there
in
lumio
in
our
history
so
far
when
it's
something
that
you
know
has
the
clear
support
of
the
community.
The
votes
come
fast
and
the
necessary
voting
thresholds
get
hit
very
quickly,
usually
within
a
day
or
two.
A
You
have
all
the
necessary
votes
to
pass
and
we
almost
never
have
anybody
voting
against
it's
just
you
know
if
a
proposal
makes
sense,
there's
there's
usually
broad
support
for
it
and
not
a
lot
of
contention
from
for
almost
all
of
the
proposals
we've
seen
in
this
case.
That
was
not
the
case.
There
were
several
people
that
were
abstaining
with
concerns
and
doubts.
A
There
were
several
people
that
voted
against
it,
and
so
there
was
this
mixture
and
a
lot
of
dialogue
happening
back
and
forth
with
people
trying
to
explain
what
their
concerns
were
on
August,
13th,
John
and
I,
both
lumio
admins,
that's
kind
of
our
job.
To
try
to
manage
that
platform.
We
determined
that
there
was
not
sufficient
support
from
the
community
to
approve
the
funding
and
we
did
encourage
Nate
to
use
the
community's
comments
and
concerns
to
craft
a
better
proposal.
A
We
just
you
know
there
were
a
lot
of
factors
at
play
here,
and
this
was
certainly
one
of
those
proposals
that
went
into
a
lot
of
gray
areas,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
it
becomes
a
question
of
looking
over
everything.
That's
been
said
and
all
the
comments
and
looking
at
all
the
activity
does
it
seem
like
we
have
the
support
of
the
community.
A
We
did
not
share
it
previously
because
it
was
addressed
only
to
John
and
I.
We
felt
that
that
might
be
a
violation
of
trust
and
privacy,
and
so
we
kept
it
to
ourselves.
You're
welcome
to
read
it.
The
link
is
there.
It
is
filled
with
all
kinds
of
accusations
and
misrepresentations
personal
attacks
against
John
and
myself,
and
it
also
included
a
demand
for
over
36
thousand
dollars.
A
He
said
I
request
this
matter
be
settled
out
of
court,
to
my
full
satisfaction
is
to
not
further
trigger
my
PTSD,
including
the
original
Award
of
9
600,
an
additional
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
to
settle
the
Discrimination
issues
and
two
thousand
dollars
for
relocation
expenses
for
a
total
of
thirty
six
thousand
six
hundred
dollars.
That
was
just
one
interesting
part
of
a
very
very
long
letter.
A
Another
lengthy
email
was
sent
by
Nate
on
August
23rd
to
me
and
John
and
others
again
filled
with
very
hateful
accusations,
slanderous
personal
attacks
and
misrepresentations
and
John
responded
to
each
and
every
one
of
these
emails
with
kindness,
patience,
compassion
and
really
a
genuine
concern
for
Nate's
well-being,
I
I.
Quite
honestly,
I
was
pretty
Blown
Away
by
the
way
John
handled
things.
I
thought
it
was
quite
graceful
considering
how
he
had
been
attacked
on
August
27th,
John
schull
warned
Nate
by
email
about
his
violation
of
our
code
of
conduct.
This
was
last
year.
A
August
I
do
want
to
remind
you
that
we
have
a
well-documented
code
of
conduct.
It
has
served
us
well
in
the
past
and
your
recent
Communications
were
out
of
line,
so
we
very
clearly
warned
him
about
that.
Yet,
on
March
21st,
just
days
ago,
Nate
wrote
several
posts
in
the
enable
Hub,
including
the
one
that
I
linked
here.
A
It's
a
very
long
post,
again
filled
with
wild
accusations
of
discrimination
and
fraud,
and
he
adds
in
warnings
that
John
and
I
are
facing
up
to
60
years
of
imprisonment
in
a
federal
prison
and
just
all
kinds
of
of
horrible
things
were
said
in
here.
He
linked
to
a
blog
post
in
there,
several
blog
posts,
but
this
one
in
particular
adventures
in
homelessness,
courtesy
of
enable
he
talks
not
only
about
me
and
John
who
he
accuses
of
being
covert
malignant
narcissists.
A
It's
an
interesting
term,
I've,
never
heard,
but
he
goes
on
to
attack
the
enable
Community
as
a
whole,
saying
if
other
members
of
the
enable
of
enable
accept
the
leadership
treating
people
with
disabilities
this
way
it
implies.
The
group
is
predatory
by
exploiting
people
with
disabilities,
not
just
for
marketing
purposes,
but
to
exploit
their
design
skills
like
they
had
done
to
me
for
years
with
the
niop
platform.
A
So
he's
has
now
gone
on
to
attacking
the
entire
community
and
that's
all
I
can
share
with
the
history
here
folks,
it
was
another
clear
violation
of
the
code
of
conduct.
The
very
first
principle
of
our
code
of
conduct
is
we
treat
each
other
with
respect
at
all
times,
there's
a
lot
more
in
there.
But
quite
honestly,
you
don't
have
to
go
further
than
that
first
bullet,
because
that
kind
of
says
it
all,
and
so
at
this
point
I'd
like
to
open
things
up
to
discussion.
E
I
got
a
quick
one
for
you.
Please
I
was
kind
of
surprised
that
you
I
mean
I
I,
think
I've
seen
it
I
forget
what
the
other
guy's
name
was,
but
you
like
paying
paying
Volunteers
in
the
group
to
did
you
work.
I
was
a
little
surprised
at
that
altogether
and
I
think
if
we
ever
do
some
I'll,
you
know
if
we
ever
have
some
work
that
we
need
to
get
done.
It
should
be
done
through
a
third
party.
Maybe.
A
Well,
I
mean
we'd,
be
it's
an
interesting
point.
Ward
I
think
that
goes
into
a
different
topic.
Maybe
we
discuss
another
time.
I
I
would
say
that
whether
we're
paying
a
third
party
or
paying
one
of
our
volunteers
we're
you
know
it's
coming
out
of
the
enable
fund
either
way
we
have
talked
in
the
past
about
the
fact
that
we
always
want
to
have
volunteers
do
as
much
as
we
can.
A
We
are
a
volunteer
community,
but
there
are
certain
roles
like
the
valuable
role
that
Sarah
plays
and
Ben
Reuben
before
her
that
it's
just
not
realistic.
To
expect
a
volunteer
to
do
it
takes
too
much
of
a
time
commitment.
There
are
hours
of
work
every
week
that
they
have
to
do
and
they
have
to
keep
food
on
the
table
and
there
are
certain
roles
that
we
felt
it
warrants.
You
know
treating
that
as
a
paid
role,
but
those
those
payments
have
always
been
approved
through
voting
by
the
community.
E
A
We
should
discuss
that.
Maybe
that
could
be
a
separate
discussion
as
a
broader
topic
about
just
how
we,
how
we
pay
for
things
and.
E
C
Think
we
should
discuss
it
then
I
agree
we
should
discuss
it.
It
has
it's
been
sort
of
the
the
backbone
of
our
ammo
is
to
encourage
members
of
the
community,
who
are
typically
volunteers
to
to
write
proposals.
C
This
I
think
is
the
only
time
we've
run
into
a
problem
after
all
these
years.
But
let's
do
talk
and
it's
always
a
good
idea
to
to
review,
and
maybe
we
will
end
up
making
some
changes.
A
E
C
A
fraction
of
the
amount
of
money
Jeremy
has
revealed
he's
invested
in
this
I
believe
he's
talking
about
his
substantial
investment
of
time
and
money
and
enable
web
Central.
It's
just
it's
just
a
huge
thing.
C
It's
true,
the
two
of
us
have
put
in
lots
and
lots
of
time,
and
you
know
I
think
we're
we're
both
proud
of
our
effort
to
to
have
done
the
right
thing
and
to
not
have
gotten
entangled
in
conflicts
of
interest,
which
is
particularly
challenging
because
Jeremy
has
a
successful
business
alone
fund
right,
so
I
just
wanted
to
to
say:
I
want
to
salute
Jeremy
and
and
for
that
matter,
I
will
take
this
moment
to
salute
Nate
Nate's,
going
through
a
hard
time.
C
I,
frankly,
don't
read
these
scurrilous
letters
as
closely
as
Jeremy
does,
which
is
why
I
can
sort
of
remain
sort
of
sympathetic
to
his
difficult
personal
circumstances,
but
at
this
it's
just
gone
off
the
rails
and
so
I
think
we
should
proceed
I.
Think
Jeremy's,
summary
of
the
of
the
history
is
accurate
and
helpful.
I've
got
nothing
to
add
to
that.
A
F
F
These
devices
are
open
source
they're,
designed
to
help
people
they're
designed
to
get
these
devices
into
the
hands
of
people
who
could
otherwise
not
be
able
to
afford
them
I.
Just
never.
It
I
never
expected
anybody
to
make
a
demand
like
this.
It's
kind
of
I
guess
I'm,
taking
back
a
little.
A
And
I
that
that
actually
is
is
very
insightful.
Rick
and
I
feel
very
much
the
same
way
and
it
ties
a
lot
back
to
I,
think
Ward's
point
and
I'm
I'm
feeling
a
lot
more
interested
in
having
that
discussion
now,
not
today
again,
but
you
know,
maybe
it's
worth
having
that
discussion
of
you
know
we
have
the
enable
fund.
The
enable
fund
is
there
to
support
folks
in
our
community,
but
maybe
it
shouldn't
be
a
matter
of
paying
for
people's
time.
Maybe
it
shouldn't
be
tied
to
work.
A
Maybe
it
should
be
more
focused
on
covering
out-of-pocket
expenses.
If
somebody
wants
to
take
a
trip
to
go
and
give
a
presentation
to
spread
the
word
about
enable
yes,
let's
pay
for
the
airfare,
let's
pay
for
the
hotel,
let's
pay
for
the
rental
car,
but
maybe
we
shouldn't
be
paying
for
people's
time
to
do
work.
That's
something
that
I
look
forward
to
discussing.
F
F
That's
kind
of
the
way
I
viewed
it.
However,
when
I,
when
I
commit
to
say
I'm
going
to
do
something
I'm
going
to
do
everything
I
can
to
do
that.
I'm,
not
expecting
a
parade
or
or
I
I
guess,
I
I,
I'm
disappointed.
G
G
The
initial
request,
I
think
flew
in
the
face
of
the
the
spirit
of
the
enable
fund.
G
I
I,
don't
think
that
we
are
set
up
and
I,
don't
think
anybody
in
the
community
prior
to
this
had
had
perceived
it
to
be
a
a
purse
to
act
as
a
a
a
source
of
capital
for
some
kind
of
of
personal
venture,
which
is
what
my
read
of
the
initial
request
was
was
to
was
for
funding
to
develop
a
for-profit
company,
I
believe
for
developing
designs
and
then
selling
them.
G
So
so
that's
thing
number
one
and
and
why
I
was
opposed
to
it
initially
thing
number
two
I
I
I
think
that
this
is
an
individual
who's
going
through
his
own
stuff,
I.
Wouldn't
honestly,
I
I
I've
seen
this
kind
of
thing
in
my
my
personal
family
before
and
I
I,
don't
think
that
it
really
warrants
too
much
dissection
of
the
the
the
the
the
the
words
that
were
written
or
the
attacks
that
were
levied.
G
My
impression
is
that
a
enable
is
not
a
legal
entity,
and
so,
as
far
as
you
know,
who
you
know
who
would
be
at
fault
or
who
would
be
subject
to
Pursuit
again
I'm,
not
a
legal
expert
here,
but
I
I,
really
think
that
that's
a
non-issue
I
think
the
community
spoke
and
said.
This
is
not
something
that
we
want
to
fund
and
and
everything
else
is
sort
of
a
distraction
and
a
smoke
screen
b.
G
I
I
think
that
moving
forward
steps
we're
taking
pretty
immediately
to
make
the
voting
process
clearer
to
better
Define.
You
know
how
these
kinds
of
things
can
be
handled
in
the
future
to
better
to
find
you
know
what
percentage
of
the
vote
needs
to
be
gay
and
how
abstaining
counts
toward
that
total,
so
I
think
in
terms
of
safeguarding
for
the
future,
we've
already
taken
steps
to
make
sure
this
doesn't
happen
again.
G
I
also
think
that
we've
done
a
better
job
to
Define
what
the
fund
is
and
I
think
there's
still
towards
Point
more
work
to
be
done
to
a
more
holistically
explore.
Why
and
how
we
have
the
enable
fund
and
what
its
intended
purpose
is.
G
D
Yeah
I
I
agree
with
with
what's
been
said,
looking
at
at
the
posts,
it's
it's
very,
very
clear
that
you
know
this
person
is,
is
going
through
some
some
great
difficulties
and
it's
it's
out
of
respect
for
for
him
and
his
privacy
I
I.
Don't
think
you
know
this
is
this.
D
Is
the
space
to
to
analyze
that
but
I
think
this
is
a
really
a
good
discussion
of
what
the
enable
fund
is
for
and
what
the
volunteer
network
is
about,
and
the
work
that's
being
being
done
here
and
I.
D
You
know,
I
think
it's
it's
good.
It's
good
to
always
good
to
continue
that
and
to
to
clarify
things,
but
I
think
that
I
think
that
things
right
now
are
are
clear.
So
yeah.
A
Thank
you,
sir
I
did
note
some
proposed
actions
which
we'll
discuss
and
then
vote
on
before
I.
Do
that
I
want
to
ask
if
anyone
else
has
anything
and
I
see
that
Jen
Owen
has
just
joined
us
I'm.
Sorry,
Jen.
We've
already
covered
the
full
history
of
this
and
already.
B
A
Our
open
discussion,
I
I,
think
you're
kind
of
aware
of
what's
going
on
Jen
and
so
I
would
ask
for
just
your
thoughts
in
general
I
I
apologize
that
you
didn't
have
the
benefit
of
of
kind
of
the
the
whole
history
that
we
went
through
here
of
the
full.
The
full
chain
of
events
that
led
up
to
this,
but
any
thoughts
you'd
like
to
share
we'd
love
to
hear
from
you.
H
It's
it's
very
sad.
I
feel
very
sad
that
you
and
John
have
been
accused
of
this
kind
of
stuff.
I
know
you
both
personally
for
the
last
10
years
and
I
know.
That
is
very
much
not
you.
H
H
I
myself
got
paid
for
blogging
and
doing
a
lot
of
things
in
the
beginning
in
the
first
I
think,
five
years
of
being
able,
but
for
the
first
three
or
four
years
of
being
able
I
was
working
60
to
90
hours
a
week,
full-time
on
enable
work,
unpaid
just
to
focus
on
getting
the
word
out
there
and
to
get
as
many
and
many
Hands-On
people
as
possible
and
I
spent
a
lot
of
years
working
with
news
media
planning,
our
Big
John
Hopkins
event.
H
All
of
that
was
unpaid
as
far
as
monetary
gain,
but
my
heart
was
filled
up,
so
the
the
profits
for
me
was
being
able
to
help
people
and
get
more
people
excited
about
enable
and,
and
things
like
that
and
I've
I
mean
we
have
so
many
volunteers
who
have
spent
countless
hours
they've
spent
years
literally
years,
working
on
designs
for
free
out
of
the
kindness
of
their
heart
and
I've,
never
seen,
and
any
one
of
them
asking
for
reimbursement
for
that
specifically
to
keep
them
in
their
houses
or
you
know,
make
sure
they
weren't,
homeless
or
or
things
like
that,
and
that
really
I
don't
know
this
whole
situation
really
sits
heavy
on
my
heart,
not
just
for
for
Nate
I,
feel
a
lot
of
pain
for
him.
H
I
feel,
like
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
stuff.
H
That's
got
to
be
going
on
in
his
life
and
I've,
been
working
on
healing
my
own
past
stuff
and
I
have
learned
a
very
important
phrase
from
somebody
very
near
and
dear
to
me
that
hurt
people
hurt
people,
something
is
very,
very
painful,
obviously
I'm
I'm
making
up
in
my
mind
that
something
is
very
painful
going
on
in
Nate's
life
and
and
it's
sometimes
easier
to
deal
with
that
Pain
by
lashing
out
at
other
people,
and
usually
it's
the
kind-hearted
people
that
get
lashed
out
at
the
most
and
you
and
John
have
put
your
whole
lives
and
hearts
into
this
enable
project
from
the
very
beginning
and
I.
H
Don't
I
can't
imagine
that
either
of
you
ever
deliberately
harm
somebody
in
any
way,
not
just
monetarily,
not
just
specific.
You
know
trying
to
get
them
homeless
or
retaliating
against
anything
like
that.
So
this
whole
situation
just
really
sits
heavy
on
me
and
I
hope
that
all
of
us
can
work
together
to
heal
it.
I
I
want
to
see
everybody
feel
good
and
happy
and
move
on,
but
there's
obviously
got
to
be
some
some
things
taken
care
of,
and
hopefully
it
all
works
out.
B
B
A
Well,
we'll
move
on
then
I
did
outline
some
proposed
actions.
I
am
I
am
not
sure
that
these
are
the
correct
proposed
actions
and
that's
why
I'd
like
to
get
input.
Excuse
me,
and
maybe
we
can
have
a
little
bit
more
open
to
discussion
after
we
go
through
these
before
we
take
a
vote
here.
A
As
always,
this
is
just
about
what's
best
for
the
community.
This
has
nothing
to
do
with
with
me
and
John
and
Nate,
or
anything
like
that.
The
fact
is
that
Nate
has
now
violated
the
enable
code
of
conduct
a
second
time
after
being
warned
about
that
in
writing.
A
So
I
am
proposing
that
Nate
be
banned
from
the
participation
in
the
enable
Hub
I
think
the
kind
of
posts
that
he's
put
put
there
are
damaging
to
the
community
and
hurt
what
we're
all
trying
to
build
here.
I
propose
that
he'd
be
banned
also
from
the
lumio
voting
platform.
I,
don't
think
he
can
effectively
participate
there
and
I.
Don't
think
that
there's
any
justification
in
in
allocating
any
more
money
towards
towards
somebody.
A
I
would
go
on
to
say
that
if
somebody
were
to
take
over
that
chapter
other
than
Nate-
and
we
were
not
engaging
with
with
him,
but
somebody
that
does
have
the
interests
of
enable
I
would
be
more
than
happy
to
have
that
chapter
brought
back
into
the
fold
and
back
on
the
map.
I
have
no
issue
with
anybody
else
in
that
chapter
on
that
team.
Nor
do
I
have
any
issue
with
Nate.
A
Quite
frankly,
it's
just
again
I,
don't
feel
it's
in
the
best
interest
of
representing
our
community
at
this
time,
and
so
that's
those
were
my
thoughts
about
proposed
actions,
but
before
we
get
into
a
voting
I'd
like
to
hear
from
anyone
else
here
again
about,
maybe
we
should
be
thinking
about
different
actions.
Please
tell
me
what
you
think.
C
Now
I
want
to
say
that
I
think
that's
a
helpful
list.
I
would
support
all
three
of
those
items.
I
will
point
out
that
Nate
has
his
best
is
dynamite
and
I
don't
mean
that
in
the
destructive
sense,
I
mean
he's
just
a
terrific,
enthusiastic,
extraordinarily
talented
and
energetic
guy
is
not
as
the
best
right
now
and
I
wouldn't
rule
out.
C
The
notion
that
it
comes
back
to
us
in
a
in
a
more
sales
say,
which
you
can
come
back
to
us
through
civil
Communications
I,
would
welcome
the
opportunity
to
be
reunited
with
the
oldness,
but
the
guard,
mate
I
think
would
just
be
toxic
if
we
you
allow
them
to.
You
continue.
A
You
make
a
very
good
point,
John
and,
as
I
read
that
that
very
word
may
be
uncomfortable
I'm,
going
to
take
it
out.
I,
don't
like
the
word
permanently,
I,
don't
believe
in
trying
to
predict
what
the
future
holds.
So,
yes,
I
I,
don't
believe
we
should
be
talking
about
anything
permanent
I.
Think
for
now.
That's
what
needs
to
happen.
Any
other
thoughts.
H
I
I,
remember
I'm
sure
you
guys
remember
you
and
Jeremy
and
John.
Remember
when
enable
first
started
and
we
had
to
ban
Richard
Van
Ness.
H
And
he
was
one
of
the
my
ex-husband
Ivan
and
Richard.
Were
the
original
designers
of
the
robo
hand
and
Richard
had
his
own
ideas
of
how
things
were
to
be
made
and
was
not
open
to
any
kind
of
modifications
to
to
the
design
that
he
had
made
and
he
was
trying
to
make
money
off
of
the
the
design
and
Ivan
and
I
didn't
want
anything
to
do
with
that.
H
And
so,
when
he
found
the
enable
Google
Plus
group,
he
came
in
blasting
and
putting
down
all
of
the
different
designers,
Peter
and
Frankie
and
Andreas
and
Ivan
and
just
was
causing
a
lot
of
division
in
the
community
and
waving
around
a
lot
of
accusations
that
were
unfounded
and
were
untrue.
H
And
so
we
had
to
ban
him
from
the
original
Google
Plus
group.
And
once
that
happened,
we
were
able
to
the
the
designers,
didn't
feel
so
constrained
and
they
there
was
less
stress.
And
so
then
the
designs
just
blossomed
and
they
exploded
and
then
went
everywhere.
H
You
know
a
few
years
later,
I
actually
reached
out
to
Richard
through
email,
and
you
know
tried
to
to
make
nice
and
it
was
still
very
angry
and-
and
so
we
just
had
to
to
let
it
go,
and
we
always
had
the
thought
that
if
Richard
could
come
back
and
help
instead
of
harm,
we
would
have
welcomed
him
because,
obviously,
him
and
Ivan
had
worked
together
for
a
year
to
come
up
with
this
design.
H
For
the
first
hand,
first
finger
and
he
obviously
knew
design-
and
he
obviously
was
very
passionate
about
it
at
the
beginning
and
still
I
think
he's
he's
still
working
on
things.
But
when
you
have
somebody
who's,
jaded
or
hurt
in
some
way
coming
in
and
sprinkling
their
their
hurt
around
a
bigger
Community.
H
Sometimes
it's
best
to
to
have
them.
Take
a
break
and
work
on
themselves
and
work
through
the
problem.
Privately
I,
don't
think
a
forum
is
a
place
to
have
these
conversations
between
personal
things
that
are
so
emotionally
driven.
H
It's
not
where
you
know.
We
I
think
if,
if
Nate
and
you
guys
can
have
some
private
conversations
and
Nate
can
work
through
his
stuff
and
come
back
back
to
his
old
mate,
the
way
that
he
interacted
in
the
beginning
and
his
passion
for
this
project
and
the
the
amount
of
love
he
put
into
all
of
the
designs
that
he
created
I
think
that's
the
name.
We
need
back
and
I
think
you
know
when
you're
faced
with
homelessness
and
you've
got
all
these
things
going
on
in
your
life.
H
That's
all
you
can
see
and
there's
this
panic
and
there's
paranoia
that
happens
and
all
you
can
do
is
feel
like
you're
fighting
your
way
out
and
you're
gonna
fight
and
you're
gonna
fight
and
you're
gonna
try
to
get
relief.
However,
you
can
and
I
feel
like
that's
where
Nate
might
be
right
now
and
maybe
when
he
gets
to
a
stable
location
and
he's
been
able
to
work
on
some
of
his
PTSD
and
get
some
help.
H
H
Yeah
I'm
just
going
off
of
what
I
read
from
what
Nate
shared
and
those
are
things
that
he
shared
but
I
I
really
do
feel
like
he's
got
so
much
so
much
wonderful,
so
many
wonderful
ideas
and
so
much
passion
that
it
would
be
a
shame
to
not
have
him
back
once
once
we
get
through
this
hard
stuff.
A
And
I
feel
the
same
way
and
I'll
come
to
you
in
just
a
moment,
John
that
that
I
I
would
welcome
Nate
back
with
open
arms.
I
have
no
hard
feelings.
I
I
would
love
to
have
his
involvement
in
the
community
if
he
is
able
to
find
a
way
of
looking
at
things
differently
and
move
past.
This
I
have
absolutely
no
problem.
A
You
know
reversing
anything
that
we
decide
here
and
and
welcoming
him
entirely
back.
I
could
not
agree
more
John.
You
wanted
to
say
something.
C
Yeah
I'm
gonna
say
that
you
know
it's:
it's
not
our
job
to
analyze,
where
Nate's
coming
from
it's,
not
our
job.
To
make
prescriptions
for
Nate
well,
I
will
say
that
in
my
communications
with
them,
I
have
my
private
Communications
here
I've
expressed
my
concern
and
I've
told
them
that
I'd
be
quite
happy
to
talk
to
him
about
any
ways
in
which
I
I
could
help,
but
I
denied
that
it
was
enabled
responsibility,
but
that
I
personally
care
about
him
and
I
have
I
am
open
to
those
conversation.
C
He
hasn't
take
me
up
on
that.
But
I
want
to
be
clear
that
it's
not
our
job
to
do
any
of
those
things.
It
is
our
job
to
act
as
stewards
of
the
community
and
to
protect
the
really
interesting
community
that
we
have
going
on,
and
so
this
isn't
about
therapy.
It's
not
about
retribution,
but
I
do
think.
We
ought
to
disconnect
Nate
from
being
able
to
piss
in
the
pool,
while
he's
so
inclined,
because
it's
not
good
for
the
pool.
A
A
A
A
Ic1234.
Are
you
able,
maybe
do
you
want
to
share
by
text
or
Voice
Sarah?
If
you
can't
come
on
camera,
okay,
I
see
five
Ward
and
Adam
I
see
a
thumbs
up
from
Ward
Adam.
How
do
you
vote.
A
And
why
do
you?
Why
do
you
say
that,
as.
G
The
Hub
moderator.
A
B
G
A
B
A
And
Ward
I'm
sorry
I
didn't
put
you
in
there.
Ward
voted.
Yes,
okay
well,
I'm,
not
quite
sure
how
to
handle
this,
given
that
it's
not
unanimous.
Clearly,
it's
a
overall
approval,
I
agree
with
Adam's
comment,
since
we
have
two
Hub
admins.
Actually,
three
Rick
is
also
an
admin.
Rick
John
and
myself
are
all
Hub,
moderators
and
admins.
I
would
argue
that
we
have
you
know
half
of
the
people
that
voted.
Yes
are
Hub
admins
of.
A
Going
to
say
that
this
one
has
passed
and
we
will
be
removing
Nate
from
The
Hub,
at
least
for
now.
Second
vote
is
to
remove
Nate
from
the
lumio
voting
platform
I'm
going
to
vote
Yes
anyone
else,
I
see
a
yes
from
John
I
say
yes
from
Sarah
I
see
a
check
from
Ward.
I
just
want
to
confirm
that
that
is
a
yes.
F
It
would
be
possible
for
us
just
to
add
the
words
before
removal.
Can
we
just
put
temporarily
I
think
that
makes
it
a
lot
easier
to
because
I
don't
see
this
as
a
permanent
thing.
I
agree,
I
agree
personally,
like
Nate
I
like
working
with
Nate,
but
as
a
moderator,
I
I
would
never
blast
the
community
this
way.
F
Of
all
three
of
these
things
speaks
better
to
I
would
personally
welcome
working
with
Nate
again,
but
I.
Don't
I
think
it
diminishes
my
work
when
any
member,
when
any
member
goes
against
the
community
or
uses
the
community
I.
Just
I
would
feel
better
about
my
vote.
A
A
I
I
think
that
was
the
intent
here.
That's
why
I
took
out
the
word
permanently,
but
you're
right.
Let's
explicitly
add
in
the
word
temporary
to
make
that
clear
and
just
because,
let
me
just
ask:
does
anybody
have
any
problem
with
that
change
of
wording
from
the
first
vote?
Does
that
change
anyone's
photo
no
I.
C
Think
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
yes,
I
think
the
word
suspend
might
capture
the
intent.
Well
temporarily
might
seem
to
bind
us
to
undoing
it.
Defend
allows
for
the
possibility
that
it
would
be
restored,
but
doesn't
imply.
B
F
F
Go
first,
it
just
makes
me
feel
better
to
word
it
in
a
way
that
looks
like
we
could
repair
this,
but
you
know
we
have
to
I
believe
for
everybody's
well-being.
We
have
to
temporarily
suspend
because
I
I
don't
think
that
it's
in
Nate's
best
interest
for
this
to
be.
You
know,
hurting
the
community
I
see
what
diminishes
my
work
when
the
community's
suffering
makes
it
harder
for
me
to
work
with
people
that
are
frightened
or
or
upset
or
afraid
to
speak
out
and
I.
Think
the
word
temporary
suspension
is
a
it.
E
C
Well,
that's
right:
we've
all
agreed
that
we
don't
want
to
imply
permanence
I'm
questioning
whether
we
want
to
allow
someone
to
think
that
we're
committing
to
Temporary
I
just
think
the
word
suspend
captures
what
we're
doing
not
temporarily
suspended,
because
that
might
be
thought
to
commit
us
to
a
reversal.
Suspend
just
means
that,
for
the
moment,
it's
not
done
and
what
happens
in
the
future
remains
to
be
seen
and
I.
A
See
your
point,
John
I
think
I
see
your
point.
Okay,
so
the
I
I
guess
I
need
to
ask
for
others.
You
know
input
on
this
I,
don't
I,
don't
feel
strongly
one
way
or
the
other,
but
I
do
understand.
Where
John's
coming
from,
we
could
say
suspension
from
the
Lumia
voting
platform.
That
does
not
mean
that
that
that's
a
permanent
act
but
I
can
see
where
John's
coming
from.
E
G
Think
it's
going
to
depend
on
him.
I
think
our
attention
is
well
documented
in
this
call
and
we're
not
a
legal
entity
again
making
a
legal
determination
it
I
I'm
fine,
either
way
it
doesn't
make
much
of
a
difference
to
me.
B
A
Going
to
go
ahead
and
change
this
to
suspension
from
the
lumio
voting
platform,
with
the
understanding
that
there's
nothing
permanent
intended
by
this,
and
with
that
in
mind,
oh
and
Adam,
you
have
your
hand
up.
Was
there
something
else
you
wanted
to
say.
A
A
Rick
is
voting
yes
Jen.
How
do
you
vote.
H
D
A
A
And
I'm
changing
I'm
changing
the
wording
on
the
last
one
as
well
to
suspension
of
the
Littleton
Colorado
chapter
and
that
same
principle
applies.
We
would
remove
it
from
the
map
for
now
and
and
delist
it.
By
no
means
does
that
mean
that
that
chapter
cannot
return
in
good
standing
in
the
very
near
future
if
something
changes
either
with
the
leadership
or
with
Nate
or
anything
that
would
make
us
feel
like
that
chapter
is
able
to
represent
the
best
interests
of
the
community
with
that
sort
of
intended,
meaning
in
mind.
E
Just
just
no
I
think
that
should
get
a
separate
letter
you
know
directed
to
the
chapter
instead
of.
A
It's
hard
to
say,
because
when
Nate
put
up
this
lumio
voting
proposal,
all
of
a
sudden
there
were
like
10
new
members
of
the
chapter
that
he
wanted
to
bring
in
to
vote.
I,
don't
know
if
those
are
you
know
active
members
or
if
they
were
just
you
know,
I,
don't
know
the
full
context
of
that
Rick
as
the
chapter
administrator.
Do
you
have
any
insight
into
the
documented
number
of
active
people
in
that
chapter.
H
A
A
I
I
did
say
that
I
did
say
that
before
you
joined
I,
think
Jen
that
this
action
would
in
no
way
be
intended
to
reflect
in
any
way
on
other
members
of
that
chapter.
Any
other
members
of
that
chapter
are
still
considered
Volunteers
in
good
standing
as
long
as
they're
able
to
contribute
in
you
know
positive
ways.
We
are
not
taking
any
action
against
those
individuals
in
the
chapter.
It's
only
that
because
Nate
himself
is
the
leader
of
the
chapter.
A
D
A
Yes,
Adam
no.
A
H
Kind
of
change
I
like
that
idea
too
I
would
like
to
I
I,
don't
know
anything
about
the
Littleton
chapter
and
you
know
how
they
run
their
stuff.
C
Or
whatever
Facebook
page,
so
they
probably
have
a
Facebook
page,
I,
think
I
think
it's
I
think
I
think
a
great
idea.
Sarah
I
think
we
should.
H
C
B
A
H
C
A
Facebook
page,
we
can
message
them
and
we
can
certainly
write
to
Nate
and
there
may
be
some
people
I
think
there
are
some
people
who
registered
on
lumio
and
said
they
were
members
of
the
Lumia
chapter.
So
we
have
a
number
of
people.
We
can
that's
right.
We
can
reach
out
to
yeah.
A
So
let
me
make
sure
let
me
just
make
sure
I've
captured
this,
the
way
that
you
guys
had
in
mind,
because
it
sounds
like
a
really
good
approach
to
me.
We
would
request
that
the
Littleton
Colorado
chapter
choose
a
new
chapter
leader.
If
this
happens,
no
further
action
would
be
needed
with
regards
to
the
chapter,
if
they're
not
willing
to
do
this,
then
we
would
suspend
the
Littleton
Colorado
chapter
with
a
letter
to
that
chapter
did
I
capture
that
correctly
before
we
take
a
vote.
Well,.
C
I
I
guess
I
would,
when
a
new
chapter
in
a
new
leader,
pops
up,
there's
there's
a
certain
amount
of
handshaking
that
goes
on
before
we
declared
an
active
chapter
under
these
conditions,
I
guess
I
would
like
to
have
I
would
like
someone
to
feel
confident
that
the
person
whose
name
thoughts
off
is
a
real
person
who
can
carry
on
a
professional
relationship
so.
A
H
H
That
way
you
can
have
like
a
group
discussion,
and
you
know
you
can
have
a
way
to
communicate
with
them
and
maybe
they
have
their
own
concerns,
or
maybe
they
have
some
information
that
might
help.
You
guys
resolve
your
problems
too.
C
Well,
how
about
how
about
this
I'm
a
little
hesitant
to
jump
into
the
Sim
call,
given
how
unpredictable
things
are?
What
if
we
provide
them
play?
You
know
we
are
uncomfortable
about
the
current
status.
We
are
unclear
about
the
current
status
of
the
Littleton
chapter,
given
that
there
are
identified
leader
has
just
been
disconnected.
C
If
only
temporarily,
we
and
I'm
willing
to
have
this
conversation
I,
imagine
others.
The
first
part
will
we.
A
C
It
also
allows
for
the
possibility
that
I'm
saying
it
just
doesn't
make
sense
here
or
a
phone
call
or
anything
else.
I'm
open.
A
Capture
all
of
the
nuances
of
what
we've
just
discussed
here
in
the
actual
wording
of
the
vote,
but
because
this
is
recorded,
I
think
we're.
Okay,
we
all
understand
what
we're
meaning
here,
and
so,
let's
take
a
vote
on
this-
that
we
will
reach
out
to
those
in
the
chapter
and
request
that
they
consider
new
leadership
and
make
sure
that
they
are
still
aligned
with
the
enable
community
and
wish
to
support
our
our
work.
And
if
that
is
the
case,
and
they
are
willing
to
go
that
way.
No
further
action
is
needed.
A
H
F
B
A
A
Yes
and
wait
did
I
miss
one
yeah.
C
A
C
A
Okay,
anybody
care
to
change
their
votes
based
on
those
those
last
comments.
There
are
we
all
good
here,
okay?
Well,
that
vote
also
passes
with
five
five
votes.
Yes
and
two
abstain.
So
all
three
of
these
measures
will
be
pursued
and
I
really
appreciate
everyone's
input
on
a
very
difficult
and
sad
situation.
A
I
I
do
want
to
say
just
once
again
that
I
hold
absolutely
no
hard
feelings
with
regards
to
Nate
I
I
really
respect
him
a
lot
in
the
work
he's
done
and
appreciate
it
so
tremendously
and
I
I
do
hope
that
we
can
find
our
way
back
to
positive
ground.
I
really
do.
A
Okay,
well,
we
have
used
up
our
time
for
the
day.
Folks,
I'm
sorry
I
was
hoping
to
kind
of
get
through
that
more
quickly,
but
it
was
obviously
important.
I
do
want
to
just
there.
There
was
a
lot
of
activity
on
the
Hub
this
week,
so
I'm
going
to
save
these
and
we'll
go
through
these
next
time.
Thank
you
for
putting
all
these
in
here
Sarah.
A
We
will
not
miss
these
posts.
We
will
look
and
talk
about
them
next
time,
but
we'll
put
off
we'll
put
that
off
for
one
week,
Rick
put
the
metrics
in
here,
but
I.
Don't
think,
there's
a
whole
lot
of
significance
that
we
needed
to
talk
about
they're
in
there.
We
still
have
pretty
much
the
same
same
things
going
on
and
I
think
we're
gonna
have
to
wait
to
get
into
the
rest
of
our
topics
next
time.
Let
me
just
ask
if
anybody
has
anything
short.
D
I
I
do
so
starting
in
one
minute.
There
will
be
a
special
bionic
design
meeting.
It
will
not
be
recorded.
D
D
It's
and
I
can
put
it
in
the
chat
too
really
quickly.