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From YouTube: Mental Health and Avoiding Burnout in Your Crypto Gig by Hudson Jameson | Devcon Bogotá
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Ethereum culture is 24/7 and always on. This brings with it a lot of challenges for DAOs and crypto orgs who need to balance growth and fast paced crypto culture with mental health. Without the proper knowledge and steps in place burnout can run rampant in a team. This talk discusses some of the things to watch out for, how teammates can be accountable for each other, and how to strive for a work/life balance.
Speaker(s): Hudson Jameson
Skill level: Beginner
Track: Governance & Coordination
Keywords: burnout,mental,health,health
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Devcon 6 was held in Bogotá, Colombia on Oct 11 - 14, 2022.
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A
A
Okay,
our
next
talk
is
on
mental
health
and
avoiding
burnout
in
your
crypto
gig
and
is
going
to
be
hosted
by
Hudson.
Jameson
Hudson
is
a
long
time.
Ethereum
contributor,
having
previously
worked
at
ethereum,
Foundation,
For,
Five
Years
on
numerous
efforts,
including
protocol
development
coordination,
specifications
and
co-running
devcon's,
two
three
and
four:
he
co-founded
the
ethereum
educational
and
coordination
group,
ethereum
cat
herders.
He
has
three
cats
and
five
chickens
and
lives
in
Texas
with
his
spouse.
Please
help
me
and
welcome
me
Hudson
to
the
stage.
B
But
hello,
thank
you
so
much
for
the
introduction,
all
right
so
before
we
start
I
gotta
apologize,
I
kind
of
partied
too
hard
last
night
at
the
element.
Lido
thing,
so
my
voice
is
out.
However,
dead.
Ass
I
was
just
at
the
coffee
table
and
I
had
honey,
I,
just
grabbed
it,
and
just
like
squirted,
a
bunch
of
my
throat,
so
I
should
be
okay,
all
right
so
yeah
today,
we're
gonna
be
talking
about
mental
health
and
avoiding
burnout
next
slide.
I.
B
B
I
am
have
been
in
the
ethereum
community
since
2015.,
mostly
at
the
ethereum
foundation.
Doing
stuff,
like
the
all
core
devs
calls:
EIP
management
and
Devcon
I
left
in
2021
and
joined
flashbots
for
a
little
bit
and
then
I
also
co-founded,
Oaken,
Innovations
and
ethereum
Cat
herders.
If
you've
heard
of
them
I'm
trying
to
get
a
hobby
outside
of
crypto,
that's
hard,
we'll
come
we'll
come
back
to
that
later,
but
I
like
ice
cream,
whiskey
and
taking
VHS
tapes,
and
they
can
put
them
on
YouTube.
B
Okay,
so
before
we
begin
just
a
quick
heads,
up,
presentation
is
going
to
be
on
some
heavier
topics.
Around
mental
health,
maybe
like
mentioning
self-harm,
completely,
relate
to
not
being
in
a
place
to
want
to
hear
that
you
can
just
walk
out
at
any
time
or
you
know,
turn
off
the
video
and,
if
you're
watching
you
know,
on
the
internet
until
you're,
more
comfortable
hearing
it
or
never
I'm,
also
not
a
doctor
I'm
not
trained
in
mental
health.
B
This
just
draws
from
my
real
life
experiences
in
mental
health
and
should
not
be
taken
as
medical
or
legal
advice.
Click
all
right.
So,
let's
get
to
some
mental
health
tips.
Today,
I'm
kind
of
like
structuring
this
just
not
to
like
be
like
Webster's
defines
mental
health
as
but
just
kind
of
doing
things
that
I
thought
were
like
important
to
say
to
people.
That's
it's
not
always
talked
about
next
slide,
so
tip
number
one
adjust
your
perspective
on
Mental
Health.
It
should
be
treated
as
serious
as
a
physical
injury
so
like.
B
If
you
broke
your
hand
and
you
can't
code
anymore
you're
going
to
do
everything
you
can
to
like.
Heal
that
hand
until
you
can
code
again
I,
it
seems
like
there's
like
a
stigma,
though,
especially
in
work,
some
workplaces,
where
it's
like
mental
health,
things
like
severe
anxiety,
depression,
other
stuff,
like
aren't
taken
as
seriously
in
some
parts
of
the
world,
when
really
that's
going
to
cognitively,
affect
your
work,
much
more,
sometimes
than
a
lot
of
physical
injuries.
B
So
it's
a
taboo
subject,
but
talking
about
it
helps
there
are
many
places
around
the
world
where,
like
it's
kind
of
like
a
suck
it
up,
you
know
just
be
stronger.
That
kind
of
stuff.
I
really
don't
believe
in
that
I
think
that
you
know
if
you're,
not
okay,
it's
okay
to
be
not
okay!
You
can
talk
about
it.
You
can
reach
out
and
get
help
for
that.
B
So
the
first
thing,
yeah
first
tip
adjust
your
perspective.
It's
as
bad
as
a
physical
injury.
We
should
treat
it
more
seriously.
Next,
one
okay
build
and
maintain
a
support
system.
Click
I
do
not
mean
this
support
system.
We
are
all
addicted
to
crypto
and
if
you
were
just
in,
if
all
your
support
is
people
who
are
also
in
the
same
Echo
chamber
as
you,
then
that's
not
going
to
be
as
effective
next,
so
don't
do
that
next.
B
Instead,
next
yeah
do
something
like
this.
My
support
system
is
my
parents,
my
friends
in
the
middle
and
I
have
a
therapist.
A
therapist
has
been
one
of
the
most
helpful
things
for
me.
But
again
it's
just
one
piece
of
your
support
system
and
hit
one
more
time,
click
and
you
can
have
a
little
crypto
friend
support
As,
a
treat
like
if
you
want
it
like.
B
There
are
like
some
really
good
Discord
groups,
I'm
in
where
we
have
a
mental
health
Channel,
and
we
can
just
be
really
open
about
what
we're
feeling
that
day
and
everyone's
support
system
is
going
to
look
different
I
mean
maybe
you're,
just
like
a
total
introvert,
and
you
just
have
like
your
cat
great
that's
part
of
your
support
system.
Everyone
should
make
sure
that
work
isn't
encompassing
their
life
and
that
they
have
some
kind
of
support
system
where
they
can
like
actually
say.
B
All
right
don't
be
afraid
to
ask
for
help
I
kind
of
alluded
to
this
in
tip
number
one.
You
are
not
weak
people
around
you,
especially
people
from
different
Generations
than
your
own,
might
not
understand
what
you're
going
through
and
that's.
Okay,
like
you,
you
should
be
the
number
one
priority
to
you.
I
had
this
problem
for
a
really
really
long
time,
it
was
very
difficult.
B
Right
so
burnout
is
individualized.
It
is
different
for
different
people.
I
I,
I
I've
never
admitted
this
publicly,
but
some
a
mistake,
I
made
early
on
in
working
for
ethereum
I,
was
at
the
ethereum
foundation.
Early
like
2015,
2016.
and
I
would
travel
with
vitalik
a
lot
and
we've
all
seen
how
vitalik
works.
So
in
my
mind,
I
was
like.
Oh,
if
I'm
not
matching
vitalik
I'm
not
doing
good
enough,
but
in
reality
vitalik
does
take
time
to
himself.
B
B
If
I
didn't
say
that
got
me
places,
but
it
was
at
the
toll
of
my
mental
health
and
I've
had
a
multi-year,
mostly
burnout
period
because
of
it
like
16
18
hour
days
of
nothing
but
ethereum
for
like
three
to
four
or
five
years
gets
to
you
so
yeah,
don't
don't
compare
yourself
to
others
and
and
do
yourself
check-ins.
This
is
something
where
a
lot
of
people
I
find
in
the
crypto
space
are
very
analytical.
They
aren't
going
to
do
like
a
body
check
of
like
their
emotions.
B
I
had
a
lot
of
therapy
before
I
could
come
to
empathize
with
myself
and
I.
Think
that's
something
more
people
should
do
to
maybe
put
a
reminder
in
their
calendar
and
say
you
know.
How
am
I
feeling
like
is
everything
good.
Do
I
need
to
adjust
things
so
yeah
or
check
it
with
your
support
system
too,
my
spouse,
Lillet
is
amazing.
B
Additionally,
if,
like
people,
don't
have
exactly
questions
but
like
under
30,
second
personal
experience
that
they
want
to
share.
That's
fine,
too,
at
the
end
of
this
okay
resources.
Next
slide,
all
right.
Internet's
your
friend
there's
online
therapy
that
I
found
a
lot
of
people
have
found
very
helpful.
I
have
a
therapist
in
my
town,
but
we
work
remotely
it's
not
like
super
expensive
and
you
can
sometimes
get
work
to
pay
for
it.
B
So
I'll
talk
to
that
about
that
in
a
second,
also
something
that
was
really
good
for
me
and
understanding
myself
and
coming
to
terms
with
how
I
operate
as
a
person
is
taking
a
neurocycle
to
neuropsychological
tests,
one
of
them
one
of
them,
was
a
general
one
and
that
once
they
said
you
have
bipolar
two
you
have
ADHD,
you
have
OCD
and
I
was
like
okay,
cool
and
then
years
went
by
and
everyone
in
my
life
was
like
Hey.
You
really
seem
autistic
and
I
was
like
you're
diagnosed
right.
B
It's
like
No
And,
so
I
I'm,
not
the
kind
of
person
who
likes
to
self-diagnose
with
when
it
comes
to
medical
stuff.
So
I
did
that
test
and
the
autistic
testing
people
came
back
were
like
yeah
you're
autistic,
however
you're
so
good
at
masking
and
mimicry
that
and
I
and
eye
contact
that,
like
you
just
naturally
or
like
do
that,
but
it's
or
unnaturally
do
that.
But
it's
taken
you
a
while
to
get
there.
I
didn't
have
any
friends
till
High
School.
No
one
wanted
to
talk
to
me.
B
So
I
kind
of
just
learned
and
I
think
a
lot
of
us
do
this.
What
we?
What
what
facial
Expressions
we
have
to
do
to
get
a
positive
response
from
people,
so
yeah
join
or
start
chat
rooms
that
are
crypto
or
non-crypto
to
build
a
support
system.
Those
are
really
important.
Don't
let
all
your
chat
rooms
be
work
related,
that'll,
just
drain
you
touchgrass
go
outside,
don't
I
mean
you
can
walk
with
your
laptop.
It's
not
the
weirdest
thing
in
the
world,
maybe
and
being
outside
and
getting
exercise
is
a
very
important
thing.
B
I've
ever
I've
also
heard
there's
like
Sun
lamps
or
something
that
might
be
helpful.
I'm
actually
really
bad
at
this.
So
like
do
as
I
say
not
as
I
do
but
going
outside,
and
getting
exercise
really
does
do
physical
and
chemical
things
to
the
body
to
help
with
a
lot
of
the
emotions
we
struggle
with
slide,
okay,
so
in
our
ecosystem
in
ethereum,
what
can
we
be
doing
to
push
the
topic
of
mental
health
forward
slide.
B
So
if
your
company
doesn't
have
proactive
mental
health
measures
advocate
for
them,
we
need
to
make
them
common.
Some
examples.
Mandatory
vacation
days,
I've
heard
of
this
working
more
so
recently
for
people
who
are
truly
Workaholics
I
mean
it's
going
to
be
an
interesting
subject.
But
when
you
know,
if
you're
approached
about
it
or
if
you
talk
to
your
work
but
I've
heard
it
works,
stipends
for
therapy
or
Psychological
Services
I
mean
they
give
you
like
what
like
a
couple
thousand
dollars
for
a
new
Macbook
and
you
get
like
a
rolly
chair.
B
That's
really
cool!
If
you're
working
from
home,
why
not
monthly
stipends
for
therapy
I?
Think
that's
going
to
be
really
important
and
going
on,
like
everyone's
going
to
have
to
be
doing
that
eventually
and
then
the
last
one's
very
important
and
close
to
me,
because
behind
the
scenes,
because
I've
been
in
ethereum,
so
long
I've
dealt
with
a
lot
of
mediation
and
major
projects
where
they
didn't
have
like
a
traditional
HR
or
anyone
that
would
mediate
conflicts
within
their
organization.
B
So
I,
don't
like
the
term
HR
because,
like
HR,
is
hired
by
the
company
to
protect
the
company's
interest,
so
sometimes
they're
great,
and
they
really
do
go
to
bat
for
you.
But
there
needs
to
be
like
a
new
term
or
a
new
kind
of
person
that
is
like
paid
by
the
company
but
is
like
legally
and
in
all
other
ways
separate
from
the
company
so
that
they
like.
B
If
you
have
a
problem
with
the
highest
levels,
you
can
go
to
them
instead
of
having
to
escalate
it
through
other
means
or
being
too
scared
to
escalate
it.
So
if
you're,
a
crypto
company
right
now-
and
you
have
employees-
see
what
your
employees
need,
maybe
they
don't
need
any
of
this.
They
probably
need
number
three
at
minimum
and
I've
talked
to
a
few
companies
about
them.
C
B
All
right
next
slide,
okay,
be
kind,
take
care
of
yourself
and
ethereum,
we'll
continue
to
have
a
soul.
Ethereum
is
the
best
cryptocurrency
ecosystem
project,
because
it
has
a
soul
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is
that,
unlike
other
projects,
that
kind
of
like
have
Debs,
they
hire
just
for
a
short
amount
of
time,
and
then
they
get
uninterested
and
drop
them.
There's
a
lot
of
fun
cool
things.
B
There's
a
lot
of
great
people,
there's
a
lot
of
good
discussion
in
ethereum
and
there's
values
that
the
earliest
people
in
ethereum
have
like,
instilled
in
us
around
censorship,
resistance
and
decentralization
and
other
stuff,
but
also
just
like
not
being
a
dick.
Like
you
see
it
with
metallic,
you
see
it
with
Danny
Ryan.
You
see
it
with
Tim
baiko,
like
they
all
exude
this
value
of
like
not
getting
into
sticky
situations,
or
you
know,
having
useless
fighting
with
people
so
yeah,
and
also
like
when
you're
on
Twitter.
B
B
B
Psilocybin,
oh,
oh
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
working
anymore
right
now.
I
can
talk
about
that.
So
psilocybin
is
an
amazing
amazing
tool
for
mental
health.
I've
tried
a
lot
of
non-traditional
things
for
my
bipolar,
2
and
depression.
One
of
them
is
IV
ketamine,
it's
very
expensive,
it's
legal
in
the
U.S,
but
it's
very
expensive
that
is
I've.
It's
helped
me
a
ton
sometimes
other
times.
It
doesn't
help
me
at
all.
Additionally
psilocybin
I've
heard
on
when
you
take
a
major
trip.
It
can
do
a
lot
of
things.
B
In
my
case
when
I
took
a
major
trip
on
mushrooms,
it
gave
me
more
empathy
because
that
was
a
hard
thing
for
me.
Additionally
I
in
a
very
dark
dark
time
when
I
was
had
to
be
working,
I
microdose
psilocybin
for
a
year-
and
it
was
one
of
the
only
things
that
helped
me,
because
the
prescription
medicine
wasn't
doing
its
job
exactly
and
I
was
doing
them
together.
But
you
know
I
just
was
on
the
wrong
stuff
for
a
while.
So
yeah
love
psilocybin
next
up
excellent.
E
Oh
wonderful,
talk,
Hudson
I
wondered
what
your
recommendation
for
like
post
Devcon
like
recovery
is
because,
like
Devcon,
you
come
here.
It's
like
really
intense
I'm
like
really
tired.
It's,
like
you
know,
doing
stuff,
I
always
decides
interactions,
and
then,
after
this
I'm
going
to
get
on,
do
18
hours
of
travel
and
then
like
sit
in
my
house
again
like
how
do
I
recover
from
that.
Like
Drop.
B
Yeah,
there's
gonna
I
mean
a
lot
of
people
actually
go
into
a
little
bit
of
a
depressive
slump
or
anxiety
slump.
After
a
big
conference
where
they're
like
overly
social
for
a
week,
I
used
to
go
way
harder
at
Dev
cons
and
I
would
crash
for
a
whole
week
afterwards.
I'm
actually
pacing
myself
this
time.
But
to
answer
your
question,
everyone's
gonna
be
different.
B
Some
people
like
just
want
to
watch
Netflix
all
day
after
they
get
back
from
a
conference
and
just
not
do
work
for
a
day
or
two
others
need
like
multiple
days
to
sleep,
depending
on
where
they
came
from.
Others
want
to
get
right
back
to
work
because
they
stay
energized
I,
don't
understand
those
people
some
of
the
time,
but
you
know
it's
different
for
different
people,
so
just
just
kind
of
like
really
focus
on
what
you
think
is
the
most
relaxing
thing
for
you
and
what
will
help
you
recharge.
C
B
B
B
Yeah
also
like
one
thing:
I'm
not
going
to
show
this
company
because
I
don't
know
the
ins
and
outs
of
it,
but
as
a
gig
employee
check
out
opolis,
they
do
some
stuff
around
having
gig
employees
get
Group
Health
Care
through
them
in
a
cryptocurrency
way.
It's
actually
the
East
Denver
guy,
John
powler
runs
it
so
yeah
check
that
out.
That
might
be
a
good
thing
for
Gig
employees.
F
Hi,
that's
an
amazing
talk
thanks,
so
much
thank
you.
I
noticed
that
a
lot
of
people
in
crypto
often
have
like
Mania
or
like
sometimes
just
a
little
bit
like
myself,
included
when
I
first
got
into
crypto.
I
was
like
very
manic,
and
people
tried
reaching
out
to
me
about
no,
no
I'm
fine.
So
I
was
wondering
like
what
is
a
good
approach
to
dealing
with
like
someone
that
you
care
about
who
may
be
manic.
B
Yeah,
so
if
you
yourself
are
Manic
and
you're
kind
of
coming
to
that,
realization
definitely
talk
to
Medical
people,
the
ones
that
I
would
recommend
to
look
up
for
would
be
like
therapists,
can
do
so
much,
but
then
there's
other
ones
who
can
prescribe
medicine
like
psychiatrists
and
sometimes
them
working
together
or
like
getting
a
piece
of
paper
that
the
therapist
says
like
yeah,
this
person's
Manic
and
then
the
third.
Then
the
psychiatrist
is
like
I
agree,
and
then
they
get
you
something.
B
That's
one
thing
as
far
as
other
people
in
your
life
just
like
if
they
were
having
any
other
things
that
you
were
concerned
about
in
my
in
my
case,
I
think
I
would
just
message
and
be
like
hey
I'm
concerned
and
wanted
to
get
your
take
on
this
I've
done.
That
line
a
lot
and
also
it's
gonna
depend
on
the
person.
Some
of
them
are
much
more
responsive
with
that
kind
of
feedback.
Some
of
them
are
like
no,
no
talk
about
health.
G
B
Yeah,
that's
a
tough
one,
because
I've
actually
been
on
a
mental
health
break
since
February
and
I
know
other
people
who
are
struggling
with
this
too.
One
thing
that
I
did
was
try
to
make
myself
busy
with
non-crypted
stuff
like
explicitly
non-crypto
stuff.
So
we
had
a
friend
move
in
with
us
temporarily,
so
we
were
getting
their
room
together.
We
in
the
last
year,
we've
acquired
nine
chickens.
Please
don't
tell
where
I
my
my
County
in
Texas
that
we
did
this.
B
We
technically
have
an
illegal
chicken
there's
only
supposed
to
be
eight,
but
so
yeah
so
like
just
dealing
with
like
you
know
and
there's
like
a
garden.
We
have
like
there's
a
lot
of
things
to
deal
with,
and
so
it's
like
manual
work
like
that,
gets
your
mind
off
it.
Additionally,
rekindling
old
friendships
is
a
good
idea
like
finding.
B
You
know,
support
groups
that
are
in
or
outside
of
crypto
to
just
kind
of
stay
up
to
date
and
for
people
who
are
just
getting
out
if
there
are
opportunities
for
little
bits
to
help
little
advisory
roles
or
like
throwing
in
a
few
GitHub
commits
that
can
kind
of
help.
A
little
bit
with
like
I'm,
you
know
I'm
still
here,
I'm
still
doing
stuff,
but
yeah
don't
ever
Rush
getting
back
into
something.
B
H
You
so
much
such
a
great
talk.
My
question
is
somewhat
related
to
that
is
with
your
spouse.
How
do
you
you
guys,
have
three
cats,
yeah
and
I'm
going
in
that
direction
as
well?
So
what's
it
like
like
when
you're,
when
you're
off
the
mental
break,
and
do
you
guys
discuss
crypto,
do
you
not
do
you
intentionally
just
leave
it
there
or
yeah?
If
you
get
this,
if
I
don't
mean
to
Pride
into
your.
B
Priorities,
yeah,
you
know
yeah,
that's
kind
of
like
how
do
you
interact
with
those
closest
to
you
about
this,
while
you're
going
through
this?
It's
kind
of
what
I
take
from
that,
so
I
can
kind
of
give
my
personal
thing.
I
really
don't
mind,
so
my
spouse,
Lilith
who's
amazing,
does
isn't
exactly
like
crypto
that
much
to
be
fair,
they
did
volunteer
and
actually
work
on
devcons,
two
and
three,
which
wasn't
the
best
experience
behind
the
scenes.
B
So
that
was
a
little
bad,
but
also
like
they
just
they
don't
jive
with
many
people
in
this
space.
It's
just
not
their
interest
they're,
just
like
artists
and
artists
and
stuff
so
and
not
into
nfts.
So
basically
what
I
do
is
I.
Don't
really
talk
about
crypto
that
much
sometimes
when
I
have
like
interesting
conflict
resolutions
or
like
hot
tea
for
crypto,
like
I,
bring
it
to
them,
because
it's
kind
of
just
fun
to
talk
about,
like
oh
I,
can't
believe
this
conference.
Video
is
ridiculous.
B
I
can't
believe,
what's
what's
one
that
I
showed
them?
Oh,
like
a
dfinity,
the
launch,
video
and
stuff
I
was
like
they
look
like
robots.
So
like
showing
cool
stuff
like
that
is
fine,
but
like
yeah
in
general,
there
are
some
crypto
power
couples
that
make
it,
but
for
the
most
part,
most
people
I
know
that
are
happiest
with
their
spouse
in
crypto,
try
to
keep
their
work
separate
and
because
it
can
blend
so
easily
that
can
cause
further
problems,
so
yeah
and
then
also
I.
B
Actually,
you
had
one
more
point,
which
was
when
you
start
getting
back
into
it
after
leaving
just
be
in
close
communication
with
that
person
to
say,
let
me
know
if
it's
too
much
or
like
hey
today
am
I
spending
enough
time
with
you,
I
had
a
lot
of
problems
early
on
where,
like
ethereum,
would
replace
my
friends
and
family
so
I'm
now,
like
hey,
are
you
feeling
do
we
need?
Are
you
feeling
connected
today
like?
Do
you
want
to
watch
a
movie
like
that
kind
of
stuff
and
that's
helped
a
lot.
I
B
I
can
rip
a
little
bit
on
that.
Empathy
is
really
important.
Managers
should
have
that
and
my
personal
experience,
my
two
most
recent
full-time
Employments
for
the
ethereum
foundation
and
flashbots,
the
ethereum
foundation
I
had
to
I
broke
down
and
I
was
getting
sent
to
I,
took
a
grippy
sock
vacation
to
brain
jail,
aka
the
mental
health
hospital,
so
I
was
doing
synth
there
and
I
messaged.
B
B
So
shout
out
to
the
EF
for
that
and
then
later
I
worked
for
flashbots
first,
but
I
got
into
it
too
quickly,
and
there
was
a
point
in
late
last
year,
where
I
was
just
like
absolutely
a
mess
with
like
home
life,
stuff
and
or
family
or
family
stuff
and
other
things
and
I
just
was
like
bawling
on
the
phone
till
to
Phil
dying
and
I
was
like
I
can't
do
this.
I
can't
do
this
and
he
said:
there's
nothing.
We
have
full
support.
B
B
I
said
I
can't
come
back,
yet
my
medicines
aren't
right,
Etc
since
then,
I've
been
doing
a
lot
better
but
like
it
was
just
amazing
to
me
that,
like
they're,
so
Progressive
in
that,
so
as
a
manager
yeah
you
need
to
to
just
people
are
P
people.
First,
that's
what
like
the
EF
has
done
in
various
ways
and
flashbots
does
in
amazing
ways.
So
yeah
put
people
first
be
empathetic
and
make
sure
they
know
they
have
a
job.
Thank.