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The network has seen an increase in staked Eth led by staking pools, liquid staking protocols, CEX and solo stakers. The complexity of running multiple clients (Execution, Consensus, Beacon and possibly MEV) means that validating is increasingly considered an organised activity for teams of specialists.
Nimbus is pushing for simplification to ensure it remains accessible to individuals and institutions alike. In this talk, Nimbus presents its vision for the future of Ethereum client experience
Speaker(s): Kaushal
Skill level: Beginner
Track: Staking & Validator Experience
Keywords: Simplified,client,experience
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Devcon 6 was held in Bogotá, Colombia on Oct 11 - 14, 2022.
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A
A
Good
afternoon,
everyone,
my
name,
is
koshal
I
am
from
the
Nimbus
client
team.
Hopefully,
you'll
know
what
members
client
team
is,
but
if
not
I'll
talk
to
you
about
that,
I
support,
Nimbus
client
team,
with
their
ecosystem
development
efforts,
which
means
I,
get
to
go
out
and
talk
to
end
users
who
use
the
Nimbus
clients
or
other
clients
for
that
matter
and
understand
what
their
experience
is
today
and
what
their
expectations
are
of
the
future.
So
in
this
talk
today,
I
should
start
to
use
the
clicker
as
well.
Actually.
A
Foreign
there
we
go
yeah,
so
I
just
wanted
to
share
some
of
my
thoughts
and
experience
talking
to
a
lot
of
the
validators
right,
whether
they
are
centralized
exchanges,
whether
they
are
the
professional
node
operators
or
individual
users.
I
just
want
to
share
the
feedback
that
you
get
when
you
talk
to
these
validators
about.
What's
the
future
of
the
client
experience
like
what
does
the
client
experience
need
to
look
like
in
the
future?
A
As
you
can
see,
I
named
I
titled
my
talk,
validating
Made,
Simple,
light
and
simple.
It
may
be
light,
but
it's
definitely
not
simple
right
now.
So
that's
something
that
we
definitely
want
to
fix
in
the
future.
Let's
talk
about
Nimbus
a
little
bit.
So
Nimbus
is
a
ethereum
client.
It's
a
consensus,
client
that
you
can
use
right
now.
It's
an
easy,
efficient,
low
resource,
intensive
or
less
very
efficient,
essentially
stable
consensus
client.
So
you
can
use
the
Nimbus
client
with
any
other
execution
client
if
you're
running
an
ethereum
node.
A
The
story
behind
Embassy
is
obviously
around
lowering
the
barriers
to
enable
participation
in
the
ethereum
network,
and
we
are
very
specific
about
the
words
it's
it's.
The
ethereum
network,
not
ethereum
in
general,
you
want
more
participation
in
the
ethereum
network,
truly
see
it
decentralized
further.
The
reason
behind
that
is
also
the
next
slide,
which
is
it's
part
of
the
status
Network
portfolio
of
projects
you
will.
Many
of
you
will
recognize
the
status
Network
project
or
the
status
app.
A
For
example,
many
of
you
will
have
that
on
your
app
on
your
phones
as
well,
and
hopefully
you're
using
it.
But
the
story
is
status,
started
back
in
2017
with
a
decent
with
the
mission
to
create
a
decentralized
peer-to-peer
censorship,
resistant
chat
application,
but
as
we
started
building
it,
we
realized
that
there
is
a
lot
of
work
on
the
infrastructure
side
that
needs
to
be
done,
and
that
includes
building
the
infrastructure
for
enabling
a
completely
decentralized
peer-to-peer,
messaging,
storage
and
compute,
and
that
is
where
some
of
these
projects
actually
fit
in.
A
So
when
we
talk
about
the
future
client
experience
right,
it
needs
to
be
in
the
context
of
who
the
users
are
and
both
the
current
users
as
well
as
what
we
see
the
composition
of
the
you
know
valid
data
set
to
to
look
like,
maybe
a
year
or
two
down
the
line
or
future
in
future
in
general
right
and
who
are
our
current
and
future
users.
So
our
current
and
future
users
can
be
broadly
classified
into
categories.
It's
the
individuals
or
you
can
call
them
the
solo,
stakers
right
and
the
professional
node
operators.
A
A
So
professional
node
operators
like
who
are
these:
let's
do
a
quick
show
of
hands
for
people
who
have
staked
their
eats
with,
let's
say,
a
centralized
exchange
or
Lido
or
rocket,
not
rocket
pool,
but
any
of
the
Lido
or
centralized
exchanges,
for
example,
all
right.
A
few
few
hands
here,
that's
good!
That's
good
we'd,
hopefully
see
more
hands
when
we
come
to
the
individual
sex
segment,
but
professional
node
operators
are
an
important
part
of
the
part
of
the
network.
A
A
So
in
my
role,
I
have
had
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
about
12
to
15
node
operators
in
the
last
six
to
eight
months,
and
it's
really
interesting
when
we
talk
to
them
about
their
setup,
the
history
as
to
why
and
how
they
have
set
up
the
node
operations
that
we
understand.
You
know
why
they've
chosen
certain
clients
and
why
they've
chosen
to
work
with
certain
clients,
and
in
that
process
we
learned
a
few
things
which
is
which
is
really
interesting.
A
Some
of
these
node
operators.
In
fact,
most
of
these
node
operators
are
quite
large
right
by
ordinary
means.
I
mean
in
terms
of
comparison.
They
run
anything
between
two
and
a
half
two
seven,
eight
thousand
validators.
That
is
a
lot
of
validators
right
and
these
These
are
individual
node
operators,
maybe
20
30
of
them
I,
don't
have
the
exact
count
but
I
suppose
that's
somewhere
close
to
30
35
node
operators
total
across
some
of
these
liquids
taking
protocols
in
general.
A
They
tend
to
operate
from
specific
regions.
They
generally
are
a
registered
entity
in
these
regions,
which
means
they
are
governed
by
the
law
of
those
jurisdictions
and
they're
likely
that
they're
trying
to
obviously
scale
up
through
the
liquid
striking
protocols,
but
also
directly
trying
to
find
customers
who
would
like
to
stick
with
them
right
and
the
other
aspect
that
is
really
interesting
is
that
they're
trying
to
also
serve
the
needs
of
Institutions
operating
from
the
same
jurisdictions?
Why?
A
A
Let's
look
at
what
the
node
operators
actually
look
at
in
terms
of
performance
or
what
they
prioritize
as
the
characteristics
that
are
important.
The
first
is
the
uptime
right
now,
when
you're
running,
7000
or
8000
validators
uptime
is
really
important.
You
can't
be
down
for
hours,
it
needs
to
be
up
and
running.
There
needs
to
be
fair
degree
of
failover
redundancy
in
the
system.
It's
like
a
it's
a
it's,
a
significantly
professional
or
sophisticated
operation
that
the
node
operators
actually
run.
A
The
second
being
reward
performance,
which
is
extremely
important,
so
the
choice
of
client
is
also
based
on.
You
know,
is
the
reward
performance
good
enough
and
finally
operating
efficiency
like
you,
don't
want
to
hire
too
many
people
to
run
the
operations
as
well,
because
that
impacts
the
profitability
of
their
of
their
operation
in
a
way.
A
So
these
are
some
other,
the
fact
the
fact
node
operators
think
about
when
they
think
about
their
business
in
a
way-
and
this
is
important
because
this
feeds
down
to
what
they
look
as
in
the
client
when
they
select
a
client
right.
So
things
like
stability
of
the
client
is
extremely
important.
Things
like
reward
performance:
how
does
the
reward
performance
of
a
client
a
compare
to
client
B?
These
are
factors
that
are
extremely
important
to
node
operators,
factors
like
fit
with
the
current
setup.
This
is
something
that
is
extremely
important.
Why?
A
Because
each
client
is
slightly
different,
and
this
goes
back
to
Danny
Ryan's
presentation
on
day,
one
where
he
talked
about
diversity
of
perspectives
and
each
client
team
takes
a
slightly
different
perspective
on
how
they
would
like
to
architect
the
client.
Now
when
it
comes
to
node
operations,
node
operations
like
similarity
homogeneity
in
the
client
architecture,
so
that
it
fits
with
the
way
they
have
started
to
operate
right.
A
Other
factors
are
are
really
important,
such
as
release
communication
and
the
Rhythm.
So
how
good
can
the
quality
of
release
communication,
the
rhythm
of
the
release
communication
and
the
ability
to
contact
the
team?
The
ability
for
the
team
to
turn
around
when
there
are
issues
and
challenges
and,
of
course,
the
testing
rigor
and
the
variety
of
testing
that
the
team
actually
conducts
before
the
release
scores
are
so.
These
are
all
very
important
factors
from
a
node
operator,
point
of
view
right
and
as
a
client
team.
A
We
have
to
take
these
into
account
as
expectations
of
a
potential
large
set
of
customers
right
who
use
these
clients
essentially
now
what
does
desired?
Client
Evolution
look
like
for
from
a
node
operator
point
of
view.
It's
basically
much
more
flexibility
in
how
they
would
want
to
use
the
client
to
make
it
work
with
their
current
setup
and
much
more
interoperability.
A
Interoperability,
because
it's
not
just
the
client
software
that
is
used.
There
are
other
other
pieces
of
components
of
software
that
are
actually
used
in
running
a
sophisticated
node
operation
right,
so
interoperability
with
all
of
these
components
becomes
really
important
when
it
comes
to
selecting
a
client
and
working
with
a
client.
All
of
these
factors
on
all
these
discussions
are
really
important,
because
if
we
want
client
diversity
in
the
network,
then
we
have
to
somehow
make
sure
that
we
meet
these
requirements.
A
A
However,
as
we've
talked
about
it
previously,
a
lot
of
node
operators
actually
started
using
some
of
the
other
clients
which
are
architected
slightly
differently,
which
means
a
separate
Beacon,
node,
separate
validated
process
and
the
ability
to
mix
and
match
between
these
components.
So
it
is
an
expectation
that
Nimbus
also
offers
something
similar.
A
So
these
are
things
that
are
really
important
for
node
operators,
not
as
much
for
somebody
who
runs,
let's
say
a
single
validator
from
the
home,
but
these
are
expectations
from
from
a
node
operator
perspective.
The
one
big
requirement
that
was
missing
the
missing
piece,
I
suppose
was
the
Nimbus
validator
client
or
the
ability
to
split
the
client
so
having
the
ability
to
use
a
separate,
Beacon,
node
and
the
validators
separately
and
use
them
into
you
know,
use
them
with
other
mix,
mixing
and
matching
it
with
other
client
components.
A
Essentially,
Nimbus
did
not
have
that
so
far,
but
we
have
it
now
and
it's
available
in
beta
it's
going
out
of
beta
into
production
into
and
ready
for.
Mainnet
very
soon,
so
these
are
all
the
all
the
components
that
have
been
built
over
the
last
few
months
last
few
last
six
to
eight
months
to
enable
nimbers
to
be
better
suited
for
this
large
segment,
which
is
the
node
operator
segment.
A
That
is
not
it,
though.
There
are
some
Advanced
features
which
are
which
Nimbus
is
working
on.
Some
of
the
validator
client
features
that
are
really
interesting
for
node
operators
and
I'm.
Talking
about
these,
because
these
are
factors
that
are
important
to
node
operator
segment,
which
need
to
be
taken
into
account
when
we
think
about
the
future
client
experience
as
it
evolves,
because
the
client
is
the
one
client
that
is
used
by
both
individual
users
and
the
node
operators
at
a
professional
level.
A
So
the
advanced
validator
features
are
things
like
they
are
inspired
by
the
secret
shared
secret,
validator
research
and
IT
addresses
risks
like
Rogue
employees,
malicious
actors
or
infrastructure
failures,
even
in
the
current
setup,
where
you
have
validators
running
through
web
remote
signers
infrastructure
failures
can
still
bring
down
the
operation
in
a
way.
So
that
is
one
area
of,
or
risk
potential
risk
that
the
the
node
operators
are
still
exposed
to.
A
There's
always
the
risk
of
Rogue
employees,
because
if
an
employee
has
access
to
all
the
key
keys,
they
can
actually,
you
know,
hold
the
company
to
Ransom
right
and
you
don't
want
that
when
you're
running
7000
validators.
So
these
are
some
of
the
factors
that
are
really
important
for
for
to
address
from
a
risk
management
point
of
view.
A
There
are
some
features
that
Nimbus
is
working
on
in
terms
of
what
the
advanced
validator
feature
set
would
look
like
that
would
address
some
of
these.
Some
of
these
issues
and
part
of
this
is
about
splitting
the
sysadmin
teams
into
multiple
teams
that
have
only
access
to
part
of
the
keys
like
no,
but
no
one
person
has
access
to
all
of
the
the
entire
key
set,
I
suppose
and
distributing
that
the
portions
of
those
keys
across
several
different
infrastructure
providers.
Potentially
the
challenge
also
here,
is
that
this
is
extremely
complex.
A
I
mean
node,
operations
itself
is
complex,
and
then,
on
top
of
that
we
are,
we
are
overlaying
organizational
changes
that
you
need
to
bring
about.
So
this
creates
an
additional
layer
of
complexity,
but
it's
a
trade-off
right.
It's
a
trade-off
around.
Do
we
want
to
actively
manage
that
risk
versus
sort
of
live
with
this
risk
as
a
node
operator,
and
in
this
regard,
the
there
are
a
few
possible
solutions
that
Nimbus
is
exploring,
including
kind
of
a
new
remote
key
store.
A
Where
you
know,
each
item
is
sent
to
multiple
web3
signer
instances,
instead
of
just
one.
So
there
are
some
of
these
things
that
Nimbus
is
exploring,
which
will
add
much
more
capability
to
the
validator
client,
which
is
what
the
node
operators
have
been
looking
for.
For
a
long
time,
all
you
can
see
where
the
expectations
of
node
operators
have
the
expectations
of
node
operators
are
changing
with
regards
to
the
use
of
the
client
right
and
how
they
see
the
evolution
of
the
client
experience
now.
A
A
There's
a
lot
of
potential
there's
a
lot
of
interest,
but
they're
all
held
back
by
a
number
of
challenges,
particularly
around
lack
of
easy
access
to
documentation.
Lack
of
you
know
uniform
documentation.
Multiple
clients
have
multiple
guides.
You
need
to
shuffle
across
these
things.
It
is
not
easy,
multiple
Discord
channels,
for
example,
so
there
are
a
few
requests
that
came
out
when,
when
there
are
in
this
this
research
right,
one
of
the
first
is:
is
there
a
no
command
line
option
please
setting
up
a
valid
data
right,
believe
it
or
not?
They
all
the
validators.
A
You
set
up
right
now,
no
matter
which
client
it
is.
It's
all
still
command
line
right.
So
a
lot
of
users
end
users
who
are
interested
in
running
validators
were
not
very
tech.
Savvy
are
still
looking
for
a
non-command
line
interface
to
set
up
the
validators,
a
fair
ask
right:
the
Second
Challenge,
obviously
is
don't
have
the
32
or
16
age.
So
how
do
I
participate
right?
A
Professional
node
operators
have
the
bandwidth
the
capacity
to
be
able
to
deal
with
this
individuals.
Don't
right
so
there's
an
absolute
need
and
I
know.
The
community
has
been
asking
for
individuals
to
step
up
and
take
on
the
responsibility
to
run
more
nodes
run.
It
run
them
at
home,
but
there
are
real
challenges
and
we
from
a
client
team
perspective.
A
We
definitely
acknowledge
that
these
are
challenges
that
need
to
be
addressed
like
let's
give
credit
where
it's
due
right,
so
credit
to
Rocket,
pool
to
to
stereium
to
DAP
node,
who
have
all
stepped
up
in
a
way
to
offer
some
solutions.
While
there
is
a
gap,
tap
node
Stadium
offer
ability
for
you
to
spin
up
your
own
nodes
right
on
your
own
Hardware
with
a
UI.
So
you
know
you
don't:
don't
need
to
necessarily
use
a
command
line
interface,
so
these
are.
A
These
are
absolutely
positives
and
there's
an
option
to
use
Nimbus
across
all
of
these.
All
of
these
operators
rocket
pool,
of
course,
very
popular
amongst
people
who
want
to
run
a
node
from
their
own
homes,
whether
that's
a
full
node,
whether
that's
a
mini
pool
and
again
Nimbus,
is
extremely
popular
as
a
client
of
choice
in
amongst
the
rocket
pool
users.
A
A
So
one
of
the
key
tenets
here
from
a
client
Evolution
point
of
view
for
individuals
is
abstracting
complexity
away
from
the
individual,
and
this
takes
the
form
as
far
as
status
is
concerned,
we've
talked
about,
let's
say
theorem
and
death
node,
but
status
is
heading
in
the
similar
Direction.
The
status
Network
team
is
actually
planning
to
integrate
the
Nimbus
client
inside
the
status
desktop,
which
will
give
users
the
ability
to
spin
up
a
node
manage
it
through
the
status
desktop
application.
A
So
this
is
one
of
the
things
that
Nimbus
and
the
status
team
are
working
on
to
address.
Second
one:
let's
talk
about
the
elephant
in
the
room.
Who's
recently
set
up
a
note,
quick
show
of
hand.
All
right,
You
had
to
set
up
one
execution.
Client
consensus,
client
or
probably
even
Beacon,
node
and
a
validator
client.
Let's
talk
about
the
two
components
individually
and
then
possibly
an
Mev
setup
right.
That
is
like
four
steps.
A
A
So
the
light
web
proxy
is
something
that
Nimbus
has
recently
released,
and
this
is
another
way
to
participate
in
the
network.
Participating
in
the
network
doesn't
only
mean
a
testing
and
validating
and
creating
blocks
right.
Participating
in
the
network
also
means
taking
responsibility
and
checking
verifying.
You
know
where
you're
getting
your
data
from.
Can
you
trust
that
data?
Should
you
trust
that
data?
If,
if
you
should,
if
you
should
not
trust
the
data,
you
should
at
least
verify
it
right
and
so
lightweb
proxy
gives
you
the
ability
to
do
that.
A
It's
a
it's
a
lot!
It's
a
you
can
basically
set
up
the
lightweight
proxy
on
your
phone
right
and
instead
of
trusting
the
endpoint
that
let's
say,
the
wallet
trusts
the
endpoint
that's
set
up
for
the
wallet.
Instead
of
trusting
the
data,
that's
provided
by
the
endpoint,
the
light
web
proxy
can
actually
intercept
that
call
to
give
you
an
example:
if
you
make
a
call,
you
want
to
check
your
balance
on
the
on
the
wallet.
The
wallet
makes
a
call,
you
know,
get
balanced,
get
it
balanced.
A
So
now,
if,
let's
say
infuria,
you
use
metamask
within
fura
and
if
inferior
comes
back
with
a
balance,
your
light
web
proxy
can
actually
verify
whether
it
is
true
or
not
whether
whether
that
balance
is
correct
or
not.
So
there
are
all
these
things
that
that
can
be
done
to
improve
the
security
and
health
of
the
network
that
don't
only
mean
validating
and
staking.
A
There
are
things
that
individuals
can
do
on
their
own
to
improve
the
the
secure
their
own
security,
the
security
and
and
Trust
in
the
in
the
balance
that
they
see
in
the
metamask
wallet,
and
these
are
things
that
are
possible
now
right
now.
So
on
that
note,
I
would
also
like
to
say
my
colleague
Eaton
is
going
to
present
about
the
like
Clans
tomorrow.
So
if
you
are
interested
in
in
the
like
client
and
the
like
client
proxy,
please
do
make
sure
you
you
attend
his
talk.
A
It's
quite
fascinating
to
see
the
actual
demo
as
well.
If
you
can
show
that
and
finally,
in
conclusion,
I'd
say
the
client
experience
or
evolution
of
the
client
experience
is
being
pulled
in
different
directions:
right
more
modularity
when
it
comes
to
node
operators
and
simplicity
when
it
comes
to
individuals.
A
A
B
A
Right,
I
think
the
primary
goal
for
us
at
the
moment
is
to
make
sure
that
we
can
take
the
boxes
that
we
have
planned
on
the
roadmap
right.
So
these
are.
These
are
things
that
we
must
address
over
the
next
six
to
eight
months.
It
could
be
one
of
the
things
we
could
consider
absolutely,
but
yeah
I
wouldn't
say
more
about
that
than
that
at
the
moment.