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https://archive.devcon.org/archive/watch/6/how-to-talk-to-girls-users-at-parties-your-app-how-to-do-user-research-in-a-remote-environment/
We often rely too much on our instincts about how our product work or prior knowledge on how it should be read. More often than not, we are wrong. Newcomers will always use your app in the "wrong" manner and talking to them will reveal many ways in which you can improve your product.
I've worked many years in many web3 projects, from the Ethereum Foundation Wallet, to ENS and specially a full year at the Defi protocol Balancer as a User Researcher. I would love to share what I've learned.
Speaker(s): Alex Van de Sande
Skill level: Intermediate
Track: UX & Design
Keywords: user research,usability,design
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A
A
If
you
have
seen
it
from
my
head
from
my
pin
and
from
my
badge
here
so
I
have
an
interesting,
curious
story
on
ethereum,
because
you
could
say
that
my
resume
is
a
long
list
of
flopped
projects
and
a
long
list
of
dead
and
failed
projects,
but
I'm
very
proud
of
each
one
of
them
because
from
from
each
one
of
them,
they
were
built
with
bricks
that
have
outgrown
and
outlived
the
original
projects
that
they
they
were
like
and
and
I.
Think
you
don't
actually
see
that
in
other
Industries.
It's
this.
A
This
wonderful
thing,
I
think
about
working
on
open
source,
but
most
of
all
I'm,
a
designer
and
I
think
the
role
of
the
designers
in
the
space
is
you
need
to
be
a
translator
right,
you're
connecting
the
users.
You
need
to
both
understand
the
project
and
good
enough
that
you
can
translate
it
into
simplest
words
for
the
users,
but
you
also
have
to
talk
to
the
user
and
figure
out,
what's
really
missing
what
what?
What
is
the
real
hurt?
What
is
the
real
problem?
A
A
But
it
tested
this
other
approach
and
people
were
a
lot
less
lost
by
doing
that,
and
that's
why
I
think
it's
so
important
and
I
think
What
If.
It
creates
sort
of
what
I
call
this
design
gear
in
which
you
have
user
experience,
which
is
this
idea
of
how
we
want
things
to
work.
And
then
you
use
that
to
build
your
UI,
which
mostly
are
what
the
pixels
are
you're
pushing
pixels
around
on
painting
stuff
right
and
then
use
that
UI
to
test
with
real
users
to
figure
out.
Okay.
A
How
much
the
experience
I
wanted
to
give
is
experience
that
they
had
and
that
you
keep
turning
on
that
gear
and
at
some
point
you
should
be
connected
to
the
dev
gear
and,
like
sometimes
you'll,
be
pushing
that
gear
and
helping
them
get
along
by
just
doing
a
lot
of
tests
before
they
build
it.
Sometimes
they
will
be
coming
back
to
you
with
with
things.
A
This
is
not
teaching
your
users
how
to
do
your
app.
This
is
not
a
tutorial.
This
is
not
a
moment
where
you're
trying
to
do
a
marketing
on
board
people,
you're
listening
to
them,
speak
you're,
not
explaining
your
app,
and
you
need
to
remember
that
your
app
is
being
tested.
Not
you!
So
it's
not!
Oh.
Do
you
think
you
can
do
this
in
this
app?
Do
you
think
you
can
click
this
button?
It's
really
it's
about.
Do
you
think
this
app
will
allow
you
to
do
this?
A
Do
you
think
that
can
you
put
money
in
this
thing
right
use
generic
words
like
that
and
classic
user
research
is
basically
there's
like
one
main
way:
one-way
mirror
rooms
with
big
prototypes
or
even
like
paper
prototypes
that
you
build
around
and
just
get
random
people
in
the
office.
But
if
you
don't
have
an
office,
it
becomes
a
lot
harder
and
I
had
to
learn
that
the
hard
way
when
I
spend
like
mostly
a
year
working
balance
or
doing
user
research
and
like
there
are
great
tools
online.
A
You
want
to
give
them
a
few
for
you.
Your
ability,
Hub,
is
a
great
place
where
you
can
learn
those
things.
For
instance,
five
second
test
just
show
your
app
for
five
seconds
and
ask
questions
you'd,
be
surprised
how
much
of
before
they
can
read
your
copy
before
they
can
even
understand
your
app
how
much
they
already
form
an
impression
by
just
looking
at
it
and
knowing
okay,
you
are
like
an
investment
thing:
you're
like
a
game
you're
like
a
social
media,
but
just
taking
a
look
at
five
seconds.
A
Maybe
you
should
just
show
the
information
they
want
and
then
from
that
you
can
do
navigation
tests,
which
it's
just
slides,
that
you
can
try
to
see
where
people
are
going
and
one
of
the
nice
things.
The
navigation
test
is
that
you
can
use
them
to
Benchmark
your
competitors.
You
can
just
screenshot
the
flow,
a
typical
flow
of
your
competitors
and
then
screenshots
the
the
flow
that
you
want.
Your
your
app
have
to
do
to
death
and
just
see.
Is
it
any
better?
Is
it
faster?
Are
people
more
confused?
Sometimes
you
don't
even
want
to.
A
A
Go
back
to
like
check,
my
emails
come
back
half
an
hour
later
and
they
were
like
three
or
four
videos
of
people
struggling
with
the
Prototype
they
just
built
and
honestly
just
need
often
three
to
five
users.
It's
not
a
number
of
Numbers
Game.
You
get
most
insights
with
like
three
or
five
numbers,
and
then
you
can
just
go
there,
fix
it
and
create
like
a
new
user
user
user
thing
and
like
get
get
your
coffee
and
then,
when
you
come
back,
it's
like
it's
still
early
in
the
morning.
A
You've
already
like
run
that
prototype
a
few
times,
and
it's
not
the
reason
that
often
you
get
those
fast
videos
on
user
brains
because
they
are
like
you
have
to
pay
them.
You
almost
in
most
case
you
have
to
pay
user.
Brain
may
like
may
be
expensive,
but
you
know
what
what's
more
expensive
is
spending
weeks
of
engineering
building,
something
that
it
shouldn't
have
been
built
in
the
first
place.
A
Sometimes,
when
you're,
just
having
a
Google
Hangout
calls,
you
can
like
be
creative,
I've
I've
tried
giving
nfts
to
people
that
I
created
I
gave
them
I,
promised
them
to
pay
gas
fees
and
which,
like
when
gases
were
expensive.
That
was
a
very
nice
thing
and
I
I,
just
with
offering
people
hey
I,
want
to
give
you
money.
I
want
to
give
you
money
to
watch.
A
You
do
stuff,
which
is
weird
right
and
that's
that's
where
you,
your
users,
might
feel
a
little
bit
uncomfortable
with
that,
because
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
scammers
and
user
researchers
who
have
in
common,
like
both
of
them,
are
promising
easy
money
to
do
something
like
in
10
minutes.
They
are
asking
you
to
click
on
Shady
link
like
figma
length
or
whatever.
That
is
they're
asking
you
to
download
some
browser
thing
that
you
allows
me
to
show
your
app
and
see
you.
A
While
you
watch
your
wallet
right,
so
your
users
might
be
like
the
only
difference
is
one
of
them
wants
to
see
your
type
or
password
the
other.
Doesn't
how
do
you
overcome
that?
First
of
all,
try
to
use
your
yourself
as
as
like
at
The
Leverage
like
if
you
have
a
reputation,
just
tell
them
look:
I
am
a
real
person,
I'm,
not
a
scanner.
You
know
me
from
whatever
or
sometimes
I
would
start
a
meeting
by
telling
them
how
to
be
safe
on
the
internet
like
how
do
like?
How
do?
A
How
can
you
do
do
a
Google,
Hangout
and
share
just
one
screen
instead
of
the
whole,
just
one
window
inside
of
the
whole
screen
or
just
tell
them,
I
don't
want
to
see
your
never
show
your
passphrase
get
your
metamask
window
in
somewhere
else,
and
you
can
also
be
creative
in
many
ways.
So
there
was
a
point
in
which
I
wanted
to
know.
Is
there
a
way
that
we
can
like
I
poo?
A
The
balancer
is
a
defy
app
and
had
this
pause
and
we
had
like
there's
a
lot
of
information
that
goes
in
a
pool
and
I
was
wondering.
Can
you
like
translate
that
into
a
tiny
icon,
I
wanted
to
know
how
small
the
icon
can
be
and
I
created
a
little
game,
the
Prototype
game,
which
I
just
ask
users?
Can
you
find
the
die
the
fastest
person
to
find
all
the
dies
in
like
it
is
Google
capture
thing
will
win
and,
of
course,
I
didn't
care
for
people
who
find
it
to
find
the
dice?
A
What
I
cared
is
that
as
each
step
was
progressing,
I
was
making
the
icon
tinier
tinier
until
at
some
point,
all
they
had
to
work
with
was
the
true
color
gradient
and
they
still
found
it,
and
it's
a
great
way
for
you
to
understand.
Oh
my
God,
like
you,
you
can
reduce
it
a
lot
by
just
making
it
small
right
and
another
super
important
thing
is
that
options
are
never
equal
will
often
happen
that
you
have
a
system
in
which
there
are
two
modes
right.
A
Balancer
had
two
modes
in
which
you
had
deposit
money
doesn't
actually
matter
what
the
modes
are,
because
for
the
user,
it's
just
right.
It's
just
random
noise
for
them
and
the
wrong
way
to
do.
It
is
just
to
ask
the
user
to
like.
If
we
have
two
modes
on
the
system,
we
have
two
modes
on
the
UI
and
that's
often
the
worst
way
to
do
it.
First
of
all,
you
can
do
a
little
a
better
job
by
just
selecting
a
default.
A
Just
it
forces
you
to
think
about
the
default
forces
you
to
think
about
which
one
is
better
often
I've
seen
people
who
would
think
that
mode
a
would
be
more
important,
because
everyone
on
the
team
was
using
both
a
but
turns
out
mode.
B
was
the
most
common,
because
most
users
don't
have
all
the
tokens
or
have
connected
their
wallets
or
have
their
own
all
the
things
that
most
people
in
your
like
Dev
Department
have,
but
a
better
way
is
don't
make
it
a
true
story.
A
Thing
just
make
a
check
box,
and
then
you
have
to
explain
it
in
a
tooltip.
No,
never
try
to,
like
your
users,
do
not
read
and
there's
this
often
this
mistake
of
thinking
that
your
users,
they
must
understand
your
app
when
the
opposite
is
true.
You
must
understand
your
users
and
try
to
reduce
whatever
explanation.
A
Is
there
into
like
a
five
word
explanation,
but
a
better
yet
is,
instead
of
having
your
users
pick
a
choice,
just
allow
your
users
to
do
whatever
they
want
and
just
add
later
a
little
thing
saying:
hey
click
this
button
and
we'll
like
I,
see
you're
trying
to
do
X
click
this
button,
you
save
money
or
something
like
that.
Often
you
could
get
even
worse
when
you
have
like
multiple
options
there
so
try
to
make
them
in
different
ways.
A
A
If
you're
a
designer
who
can
code
a
little
bit,
you
should
try
framer,
which
is
an
odd
on
the
wonderful
thing,
because
often
in
an
app,
you
are
thinking
about
some
sort
of
behavior
and
is
there
a
way
they
can
like
make
the
video
go?
Okay,
can
you
yeah
just
click
there
often
you're
thinking
about
something
and
then
in
the
end,
yeah
it's
going
you're
thinking
about
a
behavior
that
you
can
only
understand
when
you
see
it.
So
this
is
why
I
was
testing
a
thing
where
I
realized.
A
Oh,
you
can
put
money
in
many
ways.
You
can
select
it
by
the
amount
of
tokens.
You
have
the
percentage
of
tokens,
the
dollar
value.
Maybe
you
can
click
on
on
the
on
the
on
the
total
and
you
can
type
it
and
you
can
scroll
it
and
it
was
like
a
wonderful
idea
on
the
design
space.
But,
of
course,
when
I
tested
with
users,
they
were
all
confused
on
weight.
I
clicked
this
and
I
clicked
click
that
and
it's
all
confusing
right.
But
it's
it's
the
kind
of
behavior.
A
You
only
understand
when
you
actually
make
it
work
with
real,
oh
yeah.
This
can
you
click
the
video
there.
Thank
you
and
then
hello,
yeah.
Thank
you
so
and
then
I
realized
that
there's
a
lot
of
things
you
can
do,
but
just
testing
the
behavior
of
people.
You
just
allow
people
to
they
click
around
and
do
whatever
they
want
and
just
allow
them
to
click
around
and
check
hey.
If
you
click
this
button,
suddenly
your
numbers
will
change
here,
because
numbers
are
also
UI.
A
If
there's
a
button
there-
and
you
realize
oh,
if
I
click
this,
then
this
goes
up.
This
goes.
This
goes
down,
it
really
simply
works,
and
you
can
do
a
lot
of
things
like
that
in
which
you
can
like,
and
those
are
the
sort
of
behaviors
you
only
realize
when
you
are
like
just
running
a
live
app
and
that's
something
that
you
can
do
as
a
designer
hour
Loan
in
your
office
and
then
keep
testing
it
keep
testing
it
keep
testing
it
and
it's
it's.
A
It's
really
important,
don't
overdo
it,
because
I've
seen
cases
where
everything
is
clickable,
everything
is
great
and
the
user
is
just
clicking
things
around.
He
has
no
understanding
of
what
they're
doing,
but
they're
just
glad
that
they
they
like
they
disable.
It
becomes
a
game
of,
can
I
disable
all
the
warnings
right,
I'm
gonna
click
around
until
all
the
warnings
are
gone.
A
Other
things
there's
always
like
a
baseball
moment
whenever
you're
talking
to
user
and
I
think
this
is
one
of
them
where
we
had
like
a
little
box
just
setting
all
the
actions
that
have
happened,
and
then
I
realized
that
users
are
a
bit
confused
about
that,
and
then
you
realize
that
they
don't
know
that
this
is
a
feed
of
actions.
They
think
that
this
is
an
I
mean
do
of
things
that
they
should
be
doing
and
then
yeah.
A
Maybe
you
should
we
can
redesign
it
as
a
social
feed
and
that's
another
thing
in
which,
like
you,
come
back
to
your
product
team
and
they
was
gonna
say
it's
thoroughly
impossible,
because
not
everyone
has
ens
name.
Not
every
anesthe
name
has
photos,
that's
okay!
You
can
solve
that.
Just
give
the
nickname,
nickname
just
call
them
whales
give
them
emojis
right.
The
problem
is
just
make
it
look
like
it's
something
more
that
they
expected
like
activity.
A
And
finally,
there
are
a
lot
of
ways
and
a
lot
of
moments
in
which
you're,
struggling
with
words
struggling
with
trying
to
understand
and
explain
a
concept
to
your
users
or
even
to
yourself
that
you
actually
don't
need
to.
Then
you
need
to
take
a
different
approach.
A
lot
of
my
time,
I
spend
in
Balance
I,
was
thinking
about
what
is
impairment
loss
every
defy
product.
Has
this
issue
I'll?
A
That's
how
much
money
I
would
have,
and
of
course
you
can
see
that
the
user
is
better
off
by
not
investing
in
that
and
that's
true
for
most
D5,
apps
and
I
think
that's
a
great
pattern
because
I
think
most
apps
don't
actually
try
to
solve
that
problem,
because
they
realize
that
by
solving
that
by
visualization,
the
user
will
might
realize
that
oh
my
God
they're
losing
money.
It
should
not
be
putting
my
money
on
on
this
uni
swap
pool
right
and
that's
the
wrong
wrong
way
to
think
it.
A
You
need
to
think
in
a
different
way
in
real
life.
That's
not
the
whole
story.
There's
there's
not
only
the
Divergence
loss
thing,
there's
also
like
fees,
you
collect
some
fees,
as
things
are
traded
sometimes
like
that
can
pick
up
for
the
diverse
loss
thing.
Some
other
protocols
will
give
out
liquidity
incentives
right
just
by
the
fact
that
they
are
you're
using
it.
A
They're
going
to
give
you
like
other
tokens,
and
some
others
will
like
put
your
tokens
to
work
to
put
in
on
staking
platforms
on
dating
platforms
and
it's
all
sort
of
complicated
and
it's
all
sort
of
complicated
to
explain.
Often
they
will
still
look.
This
is
the
API.
This
is
APB.
This
is
the
impairment
loss.
This
is
the
amount
of
tokens
you
get
in
terms
of
measuring
tokens.
This
amount
of
things
you
have
measuring
dollars,
but
really
what
the
user
just
wants
to
know
it's.
A
That's
how
you
visualize
it
that's
the
best
way
I've
learned
to
visualize
it,
but
the
funny
thing
is
that
by
finding
the
best
way
to
visualize
it
I
learned
that
you
don't
actually
need
to
visualize
it.
You
don't
actually
need
to
explain
it
to
the
users
right.
All
you
need
all
they
care
about
is
not
the
bottom
of
the
bar,
it's
the
top
of
the
bar.
A
If
and
that
helps
you
explain
what
the
product
is
your
products
just
taking
that
and
doing
all
that
stuff
to
make
your
money
work
for
you
right
and
then
you
can
take
all
the
other
information
like
the
volume
trading
Etc
and
put
it
in
a
you
know,
in
an
order
and
I
think
that
was
one
of
the
that
was
one
of
the
best
ways.
I
could
explain
to
someone
how
your
API
Works
in
25
protocol
and
I,
haven't
seen.
Anyone
do
like
a
solution
like
this.
A
If,
if
you're
a
defy
guy
just
feel
free
to
use
it
right,
but
my
point
here
is
that,
in
order
to
get
there,
you
need
both
to
understand
deeply
the
product
by
just
understanding,
okay.
This
is
this
is
what
we
do.
This
is
what
this
Divergent,
what
is
Divergence
loss,
but
you
also
need
to
understand
the
the
user.
What
does
the
user
really
want
to
know
right?
What
do
they
really
care
about?
A
They
just
care
about
how
much
money
they
made
and
I
think
you
were
in
the
middle
trying
to
connect
something
that
is
complicated
with
something
that
the
user
wants
into
something
that
is
roughly
easy
to
look
and
other
grading
sites.
I've
had
is
often
never
treat
an
unknown
variable
as
zero.
Very
very
often
you're,
usually
just
the
fact
that
you
don't
know
how
many
tokens
you
have
in
your
user
wallet
doesn't
mean
that
they
have
zero
tokens,
maybe
just
because
that
information
hasn't
loaded.
A
Yet
that
doesn't
mean
it's
zero
and
often
I've
seen
users
fall
into
errors
because
they
were
like
they
would
open
the
app.
There
are
a
bunch
of
errors
and
those
errors
were
not
like
active
errors.
It
was
just
that
because
the
users
were
had
not
collected
or
something
had
not
loaded.
A
lot
of
issues
are
like
that.
Don't
tell
users
show
them
things
as
I
either
said
before.
A
Is
like
often
instead
of
trying
to
explain
your
user,
how
to
do
it
just
allow
them
to
click
around
and
like
if,
if
you
want
to
have
a
look,
if
you
click
this
button,
this
thing
will
happen.
Just
allow
them
to
click
the
button
and
they
will
see
the
things
it
will
happen
because
numbers
are
also
UI
right
and
I
think
that
it
goes
for
both
of
them.
Often
I
would
ask
a
user
saying,
look
what
if
this
number
represents-
and
you
would
think
a
little
bit
and
think
I
think
this
number
represents.
A
That
number
multiply
that
that
number
and
they
would
like
do
it
on
their
head
and
if,
if
it
made
sense,
they
would
yeah,
that's
that's
it
I
found
it.
They
would
be
gratified
so
often
just
showing
numbers
and
allowing
people
to
think
with
numbers
or
just
saying
look
this
this
way
is
cheaper
than
that
other
way,
that's
the
best
UI
you
have
right.
If
you
just
like
you
can
put
like
a
red
button,
but
if
they
tell
you
this
way,
it's
five
dollars
cheaper.
A
Often
not
solving
an
issue
is
an
issue
and
I
think
a
lot
of
D5
protocols
do
this
because,
like
they
are
not
sure
how
to
solve
it
or
they
are
not
sure
or
as
I
say
like
by
solving
it,
showing
them
the
information
the
user
might
realize.
It's
not
a
good
idea,
just
think
about
it.
You
can
thoroughly
solve
that.
That's
the
main
message
I
want
to
tell
you
is
that,
like
as
a
designer,
your
goal
is
to
connect
both
sides
and
as
a
as
a
developer
or
as
a
CEO
or
anyone
in
your
company?
A
You
can
be
that
Designer.
You
can
be
someone
who
can
try
to
always
connect
and
talk
directly
with
users,
because
you
have
to
know
your
non-customers
also
just
the
people
in
your
Discord
server.
They
are
not
your
Market
fit
right.
They're,
often
people
who,
like
are
already
most
knowledgeable
about
your
project.
What
you
really
want
is
people
who
don't
understand
the
product
and
you
need
to
go
there
and
grab
them
and
make
them
understand
the
product,
and
that's
it.
Thank
you.
A
B
C
A
So
I
often
had
this
problem
because,
like
every
week,
I
was
having
to
reach
out
to
users
and
at
some
point,
I
started
like
reaching
out
to
a
Discord
community
and
reach
out
to
Twitter.
There's
a
point
in
which
people
are
just
getting
like.
You
just
can
keep
keep
asking
people
to
click
and
click.
Hey.
Can
you
click
this
link?
Can
you
do
me
a
favor?
Can
you
click
this?
Can
you
participate
on
this
test?
You
have
to
be
creative.
A
There
are
some
apps
that
you
just
give
you
out
like
that,
like
like
user
brain
or
usability
Hub,
they
you
can
just
pay
and
they
will
get
users
for
you.
Often
you
have
to
like
I.
Think
incentivization
is
a
good
good
thing.
There
just
tell
look
whoever
clicks
this
link
and
completes
this
form.
You
get
a
a
b
and
c
like
schedule.
A
meeting
with
me.
A
B
A
I
think
one
of
the
main
things
I've
seen
it
different
is
that
there
are
a
lot
of
apps
that
you
you
allow
you
to
like
record
someone
like
just
clicking
around
the
website
right.
But
in
order
to
that
you,
you
only
get
people
who
don't
have
like
a
wallet
ready
right
and
often,
if
you
want
to
see
someone
actually
using
website
with
a
wallet,
you
need
to
be
recording
them
on
a
Google
Hangout
and
then,
as
I
say,
they
will
be
uneasy
about
that,
because
you're
like.
A
Why
do
you
want
me
watch
like
two
transactions
and
it's
complicated
because
they
might
be
worried
about
you
like
getting
some
information?
I
think
that
was
the
main
difference
for
me.
It
was
first
of
all
making
sure
that
I
was
reaching
those
the
people
who
had
who
had
like
metamath,
who
had
everything
installed,
but
those
were
precisely
the
people
who
would
not
be
like
very
likely
to
just
like
be
using
their
wallet
while
some
way
weird
guy
was
watching.
C
I
wanted
to
ask
you
I
mean
you
just
mentioned
the
tools
that
I
mean
you
can
use
to
record
the
users
and
so
on.
Do
you
think
I
mean
we
also
have
the
the
team
from
rodkey
here
that
are
focusing
a
lot
on
privacy?
Do
you
think,
especially
when
we
talk
about
defy
and
about
users
interacting
with
their
own
funds?
Do
you
think
that's
a
that?
That's
something
that
users
might
feel.
I
know
that
their
privacy
is
bridged
or
just
following
them
and
recording
their
actions
on
the
website.
A
Yes
and
like
their
privacy
is
being
breached
because
you're
recording
so
I
I
think
you're,
not
talking
necessarily
about
user
research.
You're
talking
about
more
analytics
and
I.
Think
I
actually
think
that
user
research
can
help
solve
a
lot
of
the
problems
with
analytics
right.
If
you
just
create
a
website
with
a
bunch
of
trackers
everywhere,
you
get
basically
the
same
information
that
you
get.
A
If
you
just
watch
five
users
use
your
website
with
the
difference
is
that
those
five
users
have
consented
to
be
in
your
research
thing,
while
when
you
do
analytics
you're
making
your
websites
lower
and
you're
collecting
a
bunch
of
information
that
can
be
used
against
every
single
user
in
a
future
leak
or
something
like
that
right,
so
that
connects
like
their
their
IP
address
to
their
to
their
to
their
transaction.
Things
and
I
think
that's
a
lot
more
dangerous,
so
I
think
just
like.