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From YouTube: Eden Results& Eden Strategy Masterclass, Yves Asia recap, Defibox x Pomelo - #EOS Fireside Jan 11th

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EOS Fireside Chat
Timestamps:

00:00:00 Welcome to the EOS Fireside Chat by Stephane
00:12:12 Facing creators tool by Robrigo, Tim
00:26:37 Asia trip recap by Yves
00:44:50 ENV strategy and community feedback by Zack, Yves
00:55:10 Eden election results by Stephane, Eden L1 Delegates
02:04:12 Eden Optimal Strategy by Stephane
04:19:20 End

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A

All right welcome everyone to the EOS fireside chat for January 11th. We got a great show today. Maybe a long one strap in grab your popcorn, let's get into it, so we got actually robbed from facing. That's gonna be kicking off the show for us today with an exciting announcement from his team. uh Those of us interested in the nft community on the EOS are likely going to be interested in this announcement.

A

We've got Eve from the enf back from his trip in Asia, so he's going to be giving us a bit of a recap on what went down out there and then, of course, we're gonna get into the big news of the week. The Eden elections that happen uh on Saturday we're going to be hearing from uh the layer.

A

One delegates from some of the chief delegates I've got a strategy Master Class prepared for all of us, Eden members that I'm excited to share and uh we'll see where the conversation goes from there so before I invite Rob actually onto the stage just want to give a quick recap and a congratulations to all of our new Eden delegates. So our new Chief delegates for eating This this term include Joshua Seymour Joseph from EOS Asia. We got Nathan James from the enough and Patrick from Nova crypto.

A

Sound effects are backed as well this week. Of course we have a many uh 21 layer, one delegates as well, so congratulations to those as well: we've got Nur Rosen Joshua Seymour Martin Brewer Vlad Zach Gaul redkid Jesse Jaffe Marco Xavier, Lenny, Perry, Nathan, Joseph, Michael, tulenko, Christian, Rincon Patrick from Nova crypto rep, oh Dirk pool Daniel, Keys, evgeny, Andrew, Ware and Michael Sullivan rounding out our layer. One delegate so I see a lot of them in the chat today.

A

Thanks for joining us, we'll get we'll get to all of this fairly quickly um but yeah. So let's just get right into it. uh Rob do you want to come on stage and introduce yourself introduce your team and I'm excited to learn what this big news is all about.

B

Yes, happily, thanks for having us on sifan, uh so I'm Rodrigo, AKA, Rob, konsdorf I've been working in EOS since the beginning and other Antelope chains uh with the DLT or Detroit Ledger Technologies team, formerly known as EOS Detroit. uh We made a decision back in 2021 to start uh side focus in uh specifically in the nft space and that's what the facings team is working on.

B

So uh We've launched a lot of different nfts using the atomic acid standard on wax, um specifically because they had the uh easy, onboarding and uh wallet the wax Cloud wallet which made it easier for us to Market to folks. But you know the new EOS Resurgence has been really exciting. So we're really happy to be able to be a part of this and help build out the tool set needed to make uh really. You know prosperous nft ecosystem on EOS.

B

So uh after the enf announced the grants framework earlier in 2022, we decided to start building open source tools to support that and I'm happy to announce that we've got the first version launched today, and uh you know, thanks to the enf, for approving our grant and funding that we're looking forward to continuing development development on this. So um with me today, in the call we've got Fel blob, who is our product manager?

B

We've also got our chief operating officer heremon on the call, uh so some of our team members present today and we're looking forward to sharing with you what we've built I'm gonna drop some links in the chat, so you can get to the app and play with it at the moment it is a reference implementation of core Atomic assets functionality. So uh there aren't a ton of awesome bells and whistles, yet it's really just the core, but we'll be building on top of it.

B

Our future goals from here are to add a plug-in system and enable really more shared Community Development on this open source core allow other nft businesses on EOS to Fork it and use it and skin it themselves and gain benefits from the developer ecosystem that we're hoping to create around this.

B

So really, our call to action today is for anyone who's motivated to on the call to kick uh the tires on the app to let us know on GitHub the features you'd like to see I've linked the GitHub in the chat, as well as a link to the app we've, also published a Blog that you can read to learn more about our future vision and where we're at, and so any support is appreciated. Any questions any criticism uh we're here for it.

B

We just want to engage the community here and really help make EOS a place where nft applications can prosper. So that's our goal in 2023 and Beyond and I just wanted to make sure that we introduced what we're doing to everyone here and open up the floor for any questions. Thank you.

A

That's great, that's great Rob I mean I've got tons of questions as a nft Creator myself. What are you know, some of the things that I can do on this platform, that I can't do on Atomic hub.

B

Well, to be honest, pretty much nothing right now, but it is open source and that's something that can't be said about Atomic Hub.

B

However, um the number one thing I'd say we support right now that Atomic Hub doesn't is actually jungle, four, which is an EOS testnet, so you can interact with uh any sort of collection, schemas templates, NFTA assets, um we're really looking forward to the next phase of the project to add in deeper functionality, one of the things that we've submitted in our most recent enf Grant application, which is a stage two to this, is more in-depth airdrop functionality, which is also something I, don't believe, Atomic Hub supports.

B

Currently we don't have a market interface, so atomicub is still going to be useful for that. We're really more focused on building up a feature set that will help Publishers, do more in-depth uh and advanced workflows, without needing to be someone able to write code or write your own scripts and do a lot of deeper technical work. So this is setting the foundation so that we can get to the more exciting part are just to be totally clear, but we do think that we bring a streamlined ux.

B

We're looking to uh you know enhance that further as well, not to say that atomicub doesn't also have a good ux because they do but we're looking to provide options and also making sure that we focus on uh supporting EOS Network as a first-class citizen.

B

If you look at wax atomicub versus es Atomic Hub you'll see that yes, Atomic Hub does oftentimes lag in newer features, so we're looking to make sure you know that doesn't happen with our build out and also because this is fully open source and licensed under MIT or actually sorry, GPL V3. uh Any businesses and EOS can Fork this and use it for their own commercial purposes as well. So we're pretty excited about being off able to offer.

B

uh You know a starting point for other businesses looking to build nft interfaces on EOS, as well as with the plug-in framework, allow more shared use development, allow businesses and Community developers to contribute plugins back into the ecosystem and then decide which of those plugins. They want to turn on and off in their own instance of the collection manager app. So the facings Creator is our instance of the app and the actual code that anyone can Fork we're. Calling collection manager uh so I hope that answers the question. Yes,.

A

Actually, that's very cool so so now that we have this open source base now devs can play around and build add-ons to that and those can be open source as well, allowing kind of the whole Community to build these platforms together, which, since Atomic cup, is closed, Source much harder to do. Well, you can't really do that with them. That makes sense to me if I got it right.

B

Correct correct, yeah and we're you know we work closely. We talked to the atomic team we're friendly with them to uh so you know we're looking to make sure as uh the standard evolves into the future, that we can make sure that it stays relevant on EOS. Make sure that updates that happen will be also. You know, ported over to the EOS network uh and generally, just you know, make sure we evolve the standard together as an open source community.

A

Foreign lovely.

C

A

Lovely um one one comment: actually: if you guys want user feedback, I, don't know how familiar you are with the Bounty block airdrop tool, but that is very powerful. So if you're going to be spending time building features, you know in this new platform, um maybe don't start with the airdrop features, since, in my opinion, we already have something that is very powerful and it you know the belly block is you need to be approved, but as long as you're, not a spammer or a scammer you're going to be approved.

A

So quick, note, I, don't know how familiar you.

B

Are yeah yeah I'm glad you brought up Bounty block because we've been thinking a lot about Bounty block and are quite familiar with their tool.

B

um There are a couple drawbacks, but in general it is extremely powerful and useful.

B

um Really what we were looking to do with our airdrop plug-in was create a airdrop feature set that doesn't require it um a closed Source API, so it would be more open and accessible. However, you know Dimitri is awesome uh the founder at Bounty block. We were even thinking.

B

Maybe we could approach him about creating a bounty block, airdrop plug-in, so we haven't had that conversation just yet, but um you know our goal was again to provide less dependencies on an airdrop feature, so that'd be how it's a little different, but you're right, you know, understanding the plugins the community wants to see would definitely help us prioritize, which features to tackle first.

A

I've already sent them all of the this new information to Dimitri. So we'll see we'll see what he says, but.

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D

Great Robin very.

A

Excited very exciting, uh congratulations to you and the team on you know getting a grant. That's that's awesome news. uh You know for in case, though in case some of you aren't familiar with Rob and his team. Everything he said is absolutely true. These guys are ogs here from the start um and yeah.

F

I have a question for for Rob. If can y'all hear me, this is Lovejoy.

D

F

um You mentioned about um evolving the atomic standard, I'm curious. If we could get your thoughts on what a standard Evolution might look like um between the open source, implementation that you're doing and what atomic was running and then I know there are other multiple other projects, building kind of using the atomic standard. I'm just curious what your!

F

What your thoughts are on that process.

B

Yeah thanks good question, Lovejoy um well right now, as I understand, it um Atomic actually hasn't needed to be updated for quite a while a few years. The core Atomic acid, smart contract them specifically referring to there's been a lot of discussion over the years, though about ways like oh. If the standard did just this or is supported that uh you know, I, don't have specific examples in my back pocket right now, but I've been a party to those conversations before uh it would be. You know more powerful or useful or open up this.

B

This use case we can't do, but the atomic team themselves honestly haven't updated the course standard in years uh and the way that standards currently managed is I believe there's five parties on a multi-sig. So at the end of the day, those are the parties that get to choose what happens to the standard, and uh you know in general. My philosophy on you know: standards development is. We should take approaches closer to the way that the internet developed.

B

We should have open Town Halls, we should have uh you know understanding of uh how people would like to see things uh evolve and supporting. You know, documents and arguments, but honestly, it's very similar to uh some of the work we're seeing come out of the enf and the way they're handling working in public gain. You know, building consensus on how to change things and what to prioritize and being public.

B

So, at the end of the day you know, Atomic acid standard was started by a private startup, but it's important for you know any standard to survive, for it to sort of be owned by a community of businesses or non-profits. Even that are um you know, really thoughtful and also conservative about.

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B

How the standard evolves and what they enabled so honestly, we haven't had a whole lot of complexity or movement on behalf of the core standard, um but yeah and you know, as people push the envelope. Perhaps there will be enough reasoning or rationale warrant warranting a change in the future, and then we should have a framework to talk about and Implement that change and make sure there's consensus around it.

H

Hey, uh can you guys hear me.

F

Yep thanks Rob, oh.

H

uh Hey this is Tim uh I'm on the facings team and helping out with the uh Creator and just to add to everything.

H

Rob has said uh in terms of Standards I think it's really important to get a open source and reference implementation, at least for nft creation and management, because when it comes to standards, this will I think encourage more people to build out in the open to be able to use something like this as a launch pad for new businesses and apps, and encourage more code to come back into the fold without increasing um core complexity.

H

So by having well-defined plug-in system hoping to create a a more active ecosystem and um just the a philosophy of sharing code working on a common core that all is going to help when it comes to extending the standard or coming together and doing workout in the open to help Drive standards.

C

Hey Tim thanks uh yeah, thanks for joining us on the Fireside and uh jumping on on stage with us hope.

A

uh Hopefully you join us more often in the coming weeks.

H

Thank you. It took a little while to figure out uh Discord, but here.

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B

In for life, you guys know fun fact about Tim. He built the first bit shares block Explorer called crypto fresh with Lovejoy, so they.

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B

Way back, oh snap, laughs.

F

Still up and running cryptofresh.com actually I, don't know if it's up and running, but it's it's up that.

G

Was mostly shower some Praise on you guys making it open source uh nft management I was actually building um an effect that I have like workers using stable diffusion to make like images, and you get it back and then I was trying I'm trying to figure out how to you know how can I make this an nft collection, and so you guys straight up giving me the answer here.

G

um Definitely gonna look into your repo and uh maybe it'll be my solution uh and I mean in here like maybe like just I seem like cake, maybe as uh if you can like have like npm modules too. That I can just you, know, install and have like just nft manager right then, and there.

B

Love it. Thank you. Dj strikanova definitely uh would love to talk to you more about what you're doing too offline and just understand how we can support your project, uh but I will note the npm module request and make sure we have track of that.

J

One thing I want to add on the nft standard question that Lovejoy mentioned the atomic asset is actually quite extensive. So if you really push the boundary on nft on chain, mechanics so for, let's say pomelo nft assets, we have actually pushing the boundary a lot with tokenized nfts and special attributes. Mine like uh mutatable immutable attributes that use mechanics in the the next features. So actually I would say, like the the sky's.

J

The limit right now with the current standard and I would say that the current atomic asset standard is be like light years ahead of any ethereum base. Evm-Based uh nft standards, the nft standards for ethereum are actually just extremely basic because it costs a lot of uh RAM and and usage. You don't want heavy transactions on ethereum, so they're as light as possible, whereas an on Atomic asset everything's on chain, the attributes are on chain. uh Everything is literally on chain, so sky's the limit, but what I would say? What's the struggle with atomic asset?

J

Is the adoption product examples documentation but a general how to integrate a wallet code examples of how to use Atomic assets? So a lot of people that dive into nfts on EOS they either have to be a complete OG and just know how to use it, because there's not a lot of examples, so I think what's lacking it's not how to make an atomic asset standard or an nft standard better! It's! How do we use it?

J

How do we use our existing standard because I think the documentation is lacking a lot and the examples or open source projects like things like what Rob was mentioning with this collection manager?

J

There's not a lot of Open Source Products out there to showcase the benefits of using nfts on EOS or on wax, so I think adoption will come from products, lots of open source examples, and things like that. So.

H

Okay, I think that's. Those are really good points and I feel, like that's been the case with EOS and the blockchains that preceded it is just a matter of it's a Race Against Time to show how advanced this technology is and what it can do, and part of that is just building tooling um as fast as possible to make it easy for to make it easy to onboard developers and apps.

H

um It's been difficult exactly.

J

And then I was actually reviewing uh Rob's, uh the The Collection manager, and the first thing that you do is you you know: git clone. You know npm install npm start. Does it run? Yes, great amazing? Now you have a starting point and then you can kind of fork or clone and improve. So you know we need a lot of these sort of open source examples out there in ecosystem to kind of get the ball started, because some people don't know where to start how to start.

J

So if they've got an example like oh, go and download this nft collection manager and then Fork it if you want or recontribute back to that cut that that repo and improve it with everybody else, so I think uh you're definitely moving in the right direction. The Rob and I'm really happy that uh your team is building this open source and got a grant for it and I'm looking forward to seeing future reviews and future future improvements.

B

Thank you. Denise really appreciate your perspective and totally agree with it.

H

One more thing to add um to the developer experience: uh it's one of the requirements of a enf grant that um the product is not reliant on any um uh black boxes or closed Source services and I. Think that's really in line with uh the ethos we're trying to follow, which is easy to build minimal dependencies.

H

So right now it's uh it's running on a full, open source, stack and I. Think that just makes uh reliability so much higher and maintenance. So much easier.

K

Hey, let's uh Kier here from facings too I, just wanted to add in one other piece to what we were just talking about in terms of the capabilities of the atomic standard and what facings, what we're trying to do.

K

um We are actually uh I mean the the standard is very impressive and the depth of it, um as has been mentioned before, blows the doors off of anything else in the industry. um The problems have also been announced here, which are you know, people don't know about it. They don't know how to access it.

K

They don't have examples for how to use it to use it, and one of the things we are really trying to do with facings is to create this process where we deliver pieces to get everybody to the next level of it step by step.

K

So, while our first uh Grant and the first deliverable may seem a little rudimentary in terms of what it does, it is a building block to the next phase, which involves all the plugins that we just spoke about, and then the next stage phase, which involves uh higher yield, features and and complicated structures, and- and we have a a whole plan here- to try to really get to the top level of everything that that is capable of being done with the atomic asset uh contracts, so that we can really exploit uh nfts.

K

The way they were meant to be and uh uh promote that, while providing the ability, people who may be even more creative than us who to come up with the alternative, uh forks and and better use cases um and I think that's the the process that needs to happen. In order to get the development in here too. So people can actually exploit it and utilize it. The way it was intended thanks.

B

Awesome thanks for the perspective care and totally agree yeah. Really. We want to build out the lower level tools so that many independent devs, uh you know small startup teams and even bigger companies, can leverage and build the top of that. uh So yeah we're a tools company at the end of the day and uh looking to build more products, we're looking forward to building more products and really making 2023 an amazing year for nfts on EOS.

L

Yeah this is it's a bell blob. uh Can you guys hear me yeah.

B

Something clear.

L

Yeah I just wanted to add a point, just really really quick, I'm, the product manager at facings and I'm. Just so proud of my dang team and uh I just wanted to give a nod to some of the stuff. That's coming that might excite uh creators like myself, who actually make nft sets.

L

Today uh we have some stuff that has to go along with the reference implementation and some of it's small stuff, um like uh CS uh CSV importer, so you'll actually be able to import, uh set creation data metadata straight into the product um and stuff like that is just so exciting because it doesn't. uh We don't have to extend the the standard that we have today, as was said to see such exciting new features that are low hanging fruit and really bring us to a whole new level in this ecosystem.

L

So proud of our team happy to be here, love you all foreign.

A

So thanks a lot to all to the uh to the facing teams who showed up and shared this exciting news with everyone. uh That's great, hopefully, you guys join us again in uh some future fire.

D

A

Right 30 minutes behind my originally planned schedule, because I forgot about this exciting announcement that I was supposed to reserve a spot for. Let's move on to uh our next topic, uh I'd like to welcome Eve back from his trip uh from Asia back in North America now and uh yeah I'd like him to come on stage and talk a bit about how that trip went.

M

Hey thanks for having me on and um thank you uh Rob and team, for your presentation on on the facings product. uh That application uh was one of the first applications that we received in uh for the grant framework, uh and we talked about that at length even before the facings team, applying uh and I think it's really important kind of like what you guys mentioned. Is we have Alternatives out there that are really good but being able to create building blocks so that other people can leverage off of them.

M

Is what really we didn't have in that space, um and so this is going to be opening that up. So as as much as right now, there's perhaps limited functionality. The idea is, uh you know, creating the the the foundation so that others can leverage off of that and then everything that's being created is then a building block, so all of the other functions that'll be coming from within that Grant and um going forward essentially we'll be able to be leveraged by everybody, and that's currently not the case.

M

So, although there's really good work out there, it's really proprietary and that's that's opening that up um so good job, guys.

M

um Yeah I just came back, I just came back from whoever's, uh maybe building a wooden house might want to mute themselves.

M

Yeah I got a carpenter in here, um hopefully you're, building something cool, maybe some nfts, maybe you're, building an empty uh Marketplace, um yeah I, just came back from from Asia I was out uh for those who don't know. I was out in Asia for the last five weeks or so. I went early December um and spent some time uh out there. It's a little bit easier to travel when I'm based out of uh Asia within the Asia region. Obviously, uh I come from the eastern part of Canada flying out to Asia.

M

It's very taxing, it's very, very difficult, very long. The flights are very lengthy and then it makes it very difficult to to move around, whereas if I'm based there, that makes it much easier, but a big part of what I like to do at least once per year when I, when I do that. It gives me a completely different perspective and that's kind of what I wanted to talk about today.

M

So, let's talk about kind of what I did and who I met, but how um there's no other way to say it, but like the people on this call and the people within this time, zone are and or and or similar time zones are very fortunate, because you guys get to see everything in real time. Anyways this concept of uh synchronous versus asynchronous communication and uh how essentially the people typically that are in in the western world, speak English.

M

You might be in Europe and such, but still a very you know, similar time zone so regardless of the culture regardless of the language.

M

This idea that you're in a synchronous, uh period or synchronous communication, with what's going on, especially with the enf um or with you know, block producers in the chats Telegram and such the majority is, is happening in a western uh time zone in general and how there's a lot of people out there, regardless of the language, regardless of the culture they get asynchronously the communication that that occurs, and so it's flipping that over and so when I head out to Asia what happens is now I'm in a synchronous communication with um South, Korea and China would be the two largest markets, um and then you guys here in this call now become asynchronous, and so, when I wake up in the morning, I'm catching up on.

M

You know, especially lately 800 messages, a thousand messages or whatever it is, um and that's how half of the community uh and I'm just using half lightly, which is the other people that are not in these time. Zones are interacting with the community they're getting it after the fact, and so they communicate synchronously within their time zone, but they can communicate asynchronously with, for example, us on this call with the enf.

M

In general Etc, and so it gives a very, very different perspective, instead of being able to participate in a conversation in real time, you always get it after the fact, and once you do that for a period of time, so I was gone for five weeks.

M

It really changes how the ecosystem looks or how it's perceived or how it feels because you're, you know, if you're just doing it for a few days, you can catch up whatever you can change your your sleeping patterns in order to be a little bit more synchronous, but otherwise a lot of the decisions that are being made day to day right now, with enf, are being done in a western time zone and so everybody's getting it after the fact, after the fact, and how that impacts, how you perceive EOS?

M

How that impacts, how the movement of the chain, whether it's the BP, calls whether it's these Fireside Chats, whatever it may be. The enf translates everything it's still done: asynchronously you're not getting it at the same time, um and so getting that perspective changes things very very much and it you know, highlights some gaps in the processes that we have oven door. It highlights areas for opportunity to be able to close those gaps, and- um and so that's always interesting- that's always really good.

M

It's also, it's just very different, like I, can't explain it other than you're kind of a second class citizen, regardless of the culture and the language and so being able to be in that time zone for a period of time, then being able to have synchronous conversations with people within those respective time zones outside of the The Edge hours.

M

So obviously I have calls in the morning and at night with with Asia but being able to do it during the day or being able to do it two in the afternoon or four in the afternoon, which that is very rare in general and not being able to do it with the other side of the world.

M

um So one of the things that we did early on uh is we we started talking about this idea, and this came about kind of the month of November and such before me heading out to increase communication, especially with the block producers, and so we started. uh We had our first block producer, caller I, guess enf LED law producer call that we'll be doing on a monthly basis.

M

um Basically top 30 Block producers are invited to join on a call. All the information is is open public, so they can all share afterwards. A lot of the conversations that we're, having are conversations that we're having, for example, this on this fire side, that type of thing but having within uh you know a time, that's a little bit more suitable for uh block producers that are out east and doing it on a monthly basis, and so we had our first block producer called two weeks ago, we'll be having these monthly.

M

We had about 17 18, maybe a little bit more in that block producers. I'd recall the final account we had about 30 something people on the call block. Producers uh participate yeah, you know it was our. It was our first one. We had an agenda we hit on some on some items that we wanted to talk about. We gave an update on evm, which you guys are going to get shortly. uh The communications team is working on that we did.

M

An update on uh yeah EnV did an update on uh the roadmap that we're working on for 2023 uh alongside budgeting and stuff, and we gave an update as well on an msig. So there's a few block producers that brought uh up this idea last summer uh and it's been researching it a little bit again. So we'll talk about it today with you guys, uh but essentially there is going to be an M6 that is going to be uh brought up for community discussion and or discussing it right now.

M

But this idea of currently the enf seeks funding every couple of months and it requires 15 out of 21 in order to reach consensus, to allow for funding. But there's a potential uh like it I shouldn't say: attack Vector there, but this idea that seven could potentially either willingly or because of policy block uh the the ongoing operations of the foundation foundation, and it was brought up that um that doesn't provide stability in terms of the network in terms of externals in terms of internals as well in terms of our own budgeting Etc.

M

And so this idea of doing the reverse, whereby uh 15 on 21 would approve the funding and then that would now be automated and now 15 on 21 would be required in order to stop the funding so basically flipping in flipping it around. Instead of having seven out of 21 to block it, it's now um 15 out of 21 to block it, and so that msig is going I, don't know when, but the block producer is going to be produced, uh publishing that and I guess bringing that forth in the next couple of weeks.

M

We can talk about that today and it's not really on the agenda. We can talk about it next week as well, uh but that was brought up on the call and what else was brought up. Oh yeah, the idea of so we've been we've been exploring uh internally with different services for communication.

M

Specifically, so when we have these calls either with uh block producers or even on Twitter spaces or anything where we have different people from different uh languages join on the call right now we're doing uh asynchronous translation I, don't think that's the right term, but this idea that somebody speaks and then pauses you know so speaks for 30 seconds a minute pauses. Then the translator speaks for 30 seconds a minute, whatever translates, and it says back and forth. So any subject that you do essentially takes double the time.

M

And if you want to do three languages, then it takes triple the time and such, and so the comms team internally has been researching uh and there are a few Solutions out there and we're going to be experimenting likely next month. So the the BP call uh the next one is slated for uh I believe early February, something that the 8th or 9th or something like that and we're going to be experimenting with this new service and seeing whether or not it works well and such.

M

uh But this idea of synchronous, translation, simultaneous sorry translation so whereby somebody would I'm not sure exactly how it works, but I'll be able to speak English or whoever is going to be able to speak and then the translators translating the interpreters interpreting interpreting simultaneously, uh and so it cuts. Basically the discussion in half if you're only doing two uh languages, but we'll be able to do this with mandarin and with Korean, and then it also provides the transcript or provides the subtitling ETC.

M

So that then you can make products out of that or you can give a little bit better debrief afterwards minutes of meetings that type of stuff, and so we're going to be experimenting with that in the next meeting. And ideally, if this works really well we'll be able to bring that to more of the initiatives and the projects that we um that we do as as the enf, so that uh whenever we do anything, basically people will be able to think of tuning in in a channel.

M

If you want to listen in Chinese, you tune in channel number two. You want to listen in in Korean channel number three in Spanish channel number four, um but you can do it at the same time instead of afterwards and so we'll be exploring with that. We talked about that um and that's pretty much it I, don't know stuff.

M

If you had any any specific questions or anything like that, I'm still pretty much jet lag have been awake since 3 30 this morning, uh I came back late last night, gonna be like this for for about a week and a half or so.

A

um These calls are not meant to be public or shared right, but the information contained within it kind of will be by the block producers or how does that work exactly.

M

Yeah, so some of the things that we brought up um are projects that are like whatever communicates that we're working on for us releases whatever, and so all the information is going to be public anyways. uh The block producers on that call can also share the information we we mentioned that so it's not there's no proprietary information or anything like that.

M

We're going to be releasing I believe if I'm, not mistaken and Zach can confirm uh meeting minutes for what this was, but the call itself is limited to the top 30 Block producers at that at any given time um to to keep the the causal a bit uh smaller and uh more on point. A lot of the information anyways is all information that essentially you guys get in the fire slide chat on a weekly basis.

M

uh This is just another method of communication, a little bit more formal with uh the block producers so that we have an ongoing conversation with them in a you know, in a comfortable setting.

A

Okay, so will so these calls won't be published.

M

The call will not be recorded and published no, but the information and the minutes yes, will be all right and if there's any like, we have an AMA components of. There are good questions that are being asked and would be relevant. Then um that would be you know published as part of the minutes, but a lot of it is just giving an update on files.

M

So, for example, let's say the the evm file update well, there's a formal press release, slash communique, whatever you want to call that that's coming out, that'll be even more information that what we shared we just talked about it, while uh the communications team is, is writing that.

A

All right, so we're not going to learn more about the EnV. Today is what you're saying no.

M

You're not going to learn more about the evm or the EnV today.

I

M

Guess the Envy I can share a little bit a lot of the work that's being done um about.

M

That is more uh think about it: kind of the legal in in the the shell um on the outside of the the um the different entities, uh one of the things that we've been looking at uh is what type of entity and where would that be located, uh and so we've done a lot of work on that um one of the I guess the leading uh I want to get too ahead of myself, because that might not be the case, but the idea is likely.

M

We will be doing a purpose, trust uh and a purpose stress in a particular location, and even a purpose trough is quite particular. So essentially, what we've been working on is here. The goals here are the concerns. Here's, what we're trying to mitigate here's, what we're trying to achieve! How can we do that um and- uh and so we've been- you know designing kind of now that that essentially, the network has given a go ahead.

M

Now we're really in the weeds and the details and the Very specifics of what exactly that's going to look like where's, that uh how do you set it up so that it meets all the requirements that you're trying to do mitigates the concerns that you're trying to avoid Etc and right now the idea of a purpose trust is something that's very Innovative. That's um that's! Quite you know it's very new, we're not even sure anybody's actually done one in this case, uh but the legal team is is has been working on.

M

That has provided a few memos recommendations, there's always the ongoing. uh How can you do things? What should you try to avoid doing from a legal point of view, if you're going to do something recommendation wise? How should you do it Etc? So that's always an ongoing thing, so we're able to push that envelope forward a little bit but overall the file's been advancing and where we're at that, this point is likely. We have a pretty good idea of what kind of entity like I said.

M

It's a purpose, trust where that's going to be located as long as we can get the uh the go ahead um and then everything trickles in from that afterwards.

M

Another I guess maybe thing I can share uh we've gotten more and more requests of uh people wanting to buy those tokens out of OTC and, like vast large amount, there's even an entity, a very well-known uh Venture fund, uh Slash, uh a market maker that essentially offered to buy all of them. So there's tremendous interest- and this is you know this happened while I was in in South Korea, uh they met, we met for the first time, while we were in Singapore, they then uh been trying to reach out.

M

We met them again in Seoul the first, the second time I went to Seoul and then uh they came out again at the soul event uh about what was it three weeks ago now four weeks ago, now that it wasn't sold and they came about and they actually made a formal, uh a formal offer and such so they're really interested in in securing a sizable position in EOS and we've gotten more and more of these requests, like I, said, maybe over the last six months or so, uh but now it's like in it, basically all of the position or whatever, which that's that's not happening anytime soon.

M

It can't happen anyways, but that type of thing um is really interesting and it showcases that there's really good work being done and that people are seeing that outside of the eels.

M

C

Are you uh hanging around for the rest of the Fireside.

D

A

You have to go.

M

No, no for sure and uh the Phoenix, you shared uh question the purpose to us. So I'll just drop a link to um information about uh what purpose trust could look like uh and uh kind of, what's been done on on that front just so, if you really want to find out more and you want to read Etc then I'll give you an idea.

M

And I just shared that in the chat.

N

I mean the whole point of these updates, uh both for the block producer call a week or two ago and then now with it was actually last week. It wasn't even two weeks ago, so that's gonna kind of be the um Cadence is BP, call uh we'll publish meeting minutes uh and then fireside chat, probably a day or two after the meeting minutes come out. So all of the information will be open in public, but the point of having these conversations early uh with the multi-cigonios I was saving. The point is to get feedback.

N

I know it's all very fresh, um but I would be curious to hear feedback on on that. um One of the points that Eve uh didn't mention is as far as even getting the 15 out of 21, which we often quote and state it's really like 15 out of 18, because there's at least three block producers who, because of their policies, aren't voting so that also ties into it and some of the reasonings behind.

N

So one I would like to get feedback on that and two just the general idea of EnV, as it's being established as a legal entity and it's able to field these types of deals like what the general Community response is when um large uh players with lots of connections and maybe developers if they want to inquire about those OTC purchases. What the community feedback is on that and just to give a little bit more color on it. The idea is to get strategic Partners. So it's not just about buying a token.

N

If they want to buy the tokens, they could buy them off the market. You could buy millions of dollars with very little slippage. It's really about the Strategic Partners, not giving necessarily heavy discounts or anything, but also getting them to invest in the fund itself. So from the very beginning, the idea that was presented is bringing external capital in so that's kind of what these potential OTC deals could facilitate. Is okay, we'll sell you the the tokens, but you need to make an equivalent cash injection into the portfolio of the EnV.

N

Essentially, so it's like double investment. It's not only buying tokens which is buying stake in the ecosystem, but it's also buying stake in the development of the ecosystem through the EnV. So it's it's really two Investments, potentially so I'm really interested in hearing the feedback from the community on just initial responses.

A

Let's hear it guys, what do you think.

O

I I have a question, maybe interesting, for ease in sex um regarding the EMB hi guys uh so I think an interesting question is and I don't know if you guys have already started formulating it, but um any like Venture, firm or Venture Capital firm um starts developing their investment strategy and thesis and I know you know it's it's it's logical to understand that this is going to be focused on yes, but I.

O

Think a good question would be if the EnV is going to be focused like kind of looking Community, inwards, First or is, or is it going to focus more on attracting external projects and development developers to come into EOS, so I think that's a that's a very important um parameter that needs to be. You know defined in the strategy. I, don't know if you guys have yet to sit on the investment strategies for the MB, but I think it's an interesting question to to put out foreign.

M

I, don't really know how to answer that, because we're nowhere near.

F

M

I think the the way.

F

M

It or because the best I can say right now is it'll depend on what's investable uh and what people apply. So, if I take framework as a good example, I would say, 90 of the people that have applied to Grant framework have been internal to EOS, um and so it has nothing to do with the strategy of attracting internal to EOS community members to apply first, it's just those are the ones that are know about it.

M

At the same time, uh it's not really about who Applause it's, whether or not it's a worthwhile investment, uh and so that might be the limiting factor is whether or not there are worthwhile investments in or outside of the ecosystem that actually apply and go through the process, and that I can't tell you, because we're not there yet nobody's applied, there's not even a mechanism for people to apply at this stage uh to make it clear, though, that will not be and that this is way outside of the scope anyways right now, whoever is going to be managing that will be, will be responsible for that, whatever the term sheets are they'll, be you know published at that time et cetera.

M

The process will be open like every like, like the grant, Frameworks et cetera, so everybody can see it. um What I, what I'm certain of and what I would not vouch for like is what I would advocate for is the EnV is all about. It is a traditional VC in the sense that it is to uh create Financial returns.

M

um It is not a grant framework, and so, whereas the grant framework and pomelo Etc and the internal public goods non-for-profit purposes, the goal is not to generate Returns the Envy. The goal is to generate returns, and so uh it's all about whether or not something can generate capital in return uh for the EOS token holders and that's a really important distinction, because I wouldn't want to give the fault a promise that everything would be investable.

M

No, it is possible that it is not a good investment, therefore, that investment would not occur regardless of whether in EOS or outside of the US.

P

Just uh you've got a question on the 16 million you mentioned, so the idea the EnV is to return value back to token holders and I'm wondering I'm just trying to think of that lined up with the previous opportunity, I suppose where we there was an OTC attempt or not attempt but desire to purchase those 68 million partially minted EOS tokens OTC it. Wouldn't it be better to not have that type of deal happen, and if these individuals or parties are interested in owning EOS tokens have the market buy them like everyone else, and.

M

That's what helps and.

P

Help everyone else: oh okay, good, so, okay, good yeah, because it seems to be minting using inflation to Mint tokens to then sell OTC is almost a disservice to the previous token holders.

N

That's what they're being told to do right now, they're told to go to the market and buy them, because one the EnV isn't set up two. If there was an OTC deal, it would be under special circumstances, meaning okay. If you're going to invest, 25 million dollars into the EnV be you're getting that opportunity because of the OTC and just very clearly there are no there there's interest and there's legitimate offers, but the EnV doesn't exist as an entity yet to facilitate those offers. So none of this has actually happened.

N

um That's why we're bringing it up into discussion, and one of the things that you can control uh with the OTC deal is something like a vesting schedule. For example, you could put different parameters on it that you cannot put on um a market buy, for example, and then it's also um protecting. We have no idea how long this bear Market is so obviously, if EOS 3x is, it would look like a terrible decision, but if EOS goes to 50 cents, it'll, look like a really good decision.

N

Look at Telos for an example: Telos sold 9 million dollars of tokens OTC at 90 cents, that's great for Telos, because their Foundation is uh has secured funding. They have Runway I, don't know what the price of Telos is right now, but it's like 10 cents, um so that turned out to be a really good deal, because if they didn't do that, they'd be in a much worse position right now.

N

So there's a lot of different strategic reasons for that.

P

Would it make more sense than for the the enf itself to then do OTC deals versus the EnV, because you could probably do that sooner than later, and it there? It does make sense. To that extent, for sure to bolster the the treasury with some USD. That's not subject to price um movement is certainly smart.

N

So what what's the question is why it doesn't enf do that.

P

Good yeah, it's more of if there's opportunities for OTC deals, it seems to make more sense for the enf to potentially facilitate those versus the EnV is all it just seems like it's, it's more appropriate, perhaps and more achievable for the enf to do it.

N

That's all I mean there's a lot of reasons, but I would say one of the biggest ones is that the enf doesn't sit on some giant treasury. So the only way an otco deal would even make sense is buying 10 million or more tokens uh if you're buying less than that, then you could probably buy it off the market over staggered buys over the course of a week and not move. No one would even notice, like million dollar, multi-million EOS change, hands every single day and different swaps. So it's just an OTC.

N

Don't only make sense in very very large quantities which the enf doesn't have.

N

Because, like you said, go bite from the market, that's that's come up multiple times when the enf first formed a lot of direct messages from random community members. Asking about hey I've got this whale friend. They want to buy a million EOS could could enough sell it to the motc, no go buy it from the Orchid. You could buy a million years. No problem.

P

Okay, cool yeah, thank you that makes sense.

D

A

Right, good stuff, um so Eve said he's gonna be around. So if we have more questions for him uh later on today, we can always ask, uh but for now, let's uh get on to the main topic of the day. The Eden election results from this weekend, um so I'm just gonna invite uh the delegates who were elected uh on Saturday if they want to share a little something with the community. Now would be the time we can start with the chief delegates.

A

Of course, um let's see here if I can find some Chief delegates in the crowd and call them out or if you want to just jump on, go ahead.

D

Let's see, we've got Joshua, we've got.

C

Nathan Nathan's here.

D

Patrick's here Patrick's there as well, so we've got three of them. Let's go with uh Joshua since he's uh higher up on the alphabetical list. Josh, do you want to jump on here and say hi.

Q

Girls I'll, say hello for a minute. The room I'm in doesn't have a lot of furniture, so it's kind of echoey um I was listening on the YouTube stream for a bit before we go and had to uh had to re rejoin on Discord. Here the election was pretty smooth this time. The thing I'd like to mention that was pretty cool was the using the up vote, uh telegram bot um one of the coolest things about it?

Q

Is it automatically for anyone who used it automatic Ally organized into uh separate private groups that mimicked the fractal nature of what we do in the Eden election? So, for example, I have a group that the bot automatically put me in for my round, one group and my round two group and I think I, don't know if this was manual or if the automatically did it.

Q

But we also have a group for all of the delegates and for the chief delegates, uh and so it just kind of makes it really easy to keep the structure of the election going forward for the next uh season and the thing that I'm doing right now and that I'm encouraging other delegates to do is to continue to work with the people in your breakout rooms to achieve consensus. So, for example, we had to get some people in the group from our round, one which took a little bit and then in round two.

Q

Everybody has a one group that they can be communicating with, and then they can bring the consensus of their round one group into their round two group and you can kind of further filter and and Define the the common denominators and the consensus uh together in that second group, where you, where everyone's a delegate and you're representing you, know your your round, one group and we can. We can then take our round two groups and we can come together as delegates and you know report all of that.

Q

So to me that's kind of a new I. Don't think that's something that we have done a lot in previous Seasons I know some members have tried to stay in touch with their um their breakout groups throughout the seasons and stuff, but um this time around I think we're seeing an opportunity to make it a little more part of the culture so that the election doesn't just end on Election Day with that, like 45 minute room.

C

All right thanks uh thanks Joshua for joining us today,.

A

And congratulations uh on being elected, a chief delegate, um one one thing: I'm, actually curious from all our delegates: I'd love for you guys to share if uh you were previously elected as delegate or if this is uh your first time so uh Joshua I know you've been previously elected as well. What's uh what's your track record so far,.

Q

uh I think I've been a delegate at least once in the official elections and I was a chief delegate, I think in the second election and uh in in recent elections. I've just spent voting, uh and that was my. That was my original intention in this election until maybe like a week or two leading up to it.

Q

um So I I think I've had I've had the whole round of experience.

D

A

D

A

uh Okay, next up in alphabetical order, we've got Nathan James. Also a newly elected Chief delegate. Did you want to come on and say a few words.

D

I will take.

A

D

Answer for a no.

A

uh Maybe he's uh maybe he'll be back a bit later. Patrick are you? Are you around to.

D

A

Hi to the community and say some some words as a chief delegate of Eden.

A

Patrick is also not available.

A

The don't wait for me to invite you on just uh just jump on on here. Who was that.

N

That was me Zach, um so this is my first time being there one delegate, the previous elections that I participated in I showed up to vote and I I pushed other people forward. I think Mel uh I pushed him forward in the first one.

N

uh Can you remember with the other groups, um but one of my things that I already was able to deliver on one of my campaign. Promises um was giving free CPU to all lead-in members, so this is something when I realized. Nobody had ever done it before it kind of blew my mind because it seems so obvious as a perk for being a need.

N

Member is to basically leverage the EOS powerup.io tool built by the awesome team at Boyd and led by John heater leveraging that tool that he built on top of some very simple batching of transactions from from Denny I was able to execute on one of my first campaign promises to deliver a free CPU to every single Eid member. So one that's a perk for anyone who's considering joining Eden. If the only reason you want to join is to get the free CPU, that's fine!

N

If you try CPU mining I will just pause your wait listing, um but it was really cool. Experience. I was also very privileged to get into a room with uh Nova crypto in round two, because I think there's nobody more deserving uh to be a chief delegate than him uh he's been a NEOS Community member. As long as I could remember, and a very dedicated one at that, he knows pretty much. Everyone in the ecosystem he's probably interviewed them all three or four times each.

N

um So that was one of my favorite parts of the entire thing was getting matched up with him in a room and being able to basically push him forward, because I had um announced leading up to the election that I planned to go all the way if I could to become a chief delegate, um but I saw Nathan was in another room for an example.

N

I didn't want to have us both be Chief delegates, but the main reason- and there was a lot of reasons- um would have depend on who I got into room with whether I agreed with him didn't agree with them. But I was just really really happy to see. Patrick uh in my room and to push him forward.

N

As far as the other um campaign promises, a lot of it will be pomelo uh contributions uh through um speaking with the people that elected me forward: um Reiki Myra, Wang uh Zen uh from uh sov, so basically working with my own delegation, who pushed me forward to get their input on where we should contribute the funds into pomelo.

N

um It wasn't my initiative, but I think it was one of my ideas before the election was to finally bring topics. So we we forked the Eid members channel. So anyone on this call who is needed member obviously already did not, but it wasn't exactly a campaign promise, but it was something that I started pushing for a few weeks ago to enable new features that were not just all drinking from one chat room as a fire hose when there's multiple topics that come up on a day-to-day basis.

N

So seeing that happen, I was really happy to see after the um election. uh The newly elected um head, Chief Elliot Joe from EOS Asia, is the owner of that group and I believe he will pass on ownership of it to the next head. Chief delegate and we'll start a really good tradition with that, because the previous owner of the member chat was none of the none other than Dan Larimer and he has failed to hand over both the channel failed to hand over hand over the Twitter account.

N

um So I was just really happy to see as a result of the election that the current chief delegates took action immediately and also even like the layer ones such as myself, just taking action immediately because uh there's obviously a lot of work that needs to be done and communicating what that work is, is very important, so happy to see that that got done so quick foreign.

A

Yeah, that's a great great initiative on your part to give me some free, CPU every day, love it absolutely love it. It's actually going to make my life easier on a day-to-day basis user. That often.

R

A

With with CPU and I gotta go to the bot and then I gotta go just try. My gems I can't see. If there's there, then I gotta go message. Danny that helped say now. None of that's gonna happen. I'm always gonna. Have my stuff account that's available to fire. Some CPU I need it. So that's.

N

Great personally uh on mobile I use Android and as much as I love anchor. The Android experience isn't as good as it is on desktop or when I had an iPhone, so I actually use token pocket mobile when I, when I uh sign things for mobile. So having like a power up for myself, it's every time.

N

I've prepaid for my own power up I end up like suggesting myself as like a super power used and I burn through my EOS and I, never top it up, and then you guys know the drill you go to do some of your transaction. Fails. You got to go to eth power up.

N

Do the free power up go back to what you're doing and start back over, so eliminating that whole problem uh for Eden members using their eating accounts, I'm really happy to do and then also once pomela season comes around it'll make it one less headache if you ever that failed transaction issue, uh one less headache to deal with and um I'm monitoring the cost of it too, and it's like I I, think the cost of like 14 EOS to get it started because it was buying RAM for people at first, and there were a lot of people that were ramp or so just started, buying RAM for a bunch of each members.

N

So we turned that off. uh So we're not like, because you could sell the round like the end users getting the free Ram. If they really wanted to exploit it, they could sell it, but everyone's in need. Members would be really hard to you. Can't really do it anonymously, um but seeing the cost of it and how cheap it is. It's a great community service I think like what I was budgeting in my mind. What.

A

No I was just wondering how often you're gonna add new members to the list like once a month once or at the end of your term or.

N

I'm just watching in real time, so obviously all of this could be automated, but like the cost to automate the time to automate, it just doesn't make sense. It's really a proof of concept. So every day, I'm checking the Eden list for new members and as soon as I see them uh join I'll. Wait. This accounts on uh us power up and the way EOS PowerUp works is every 24 hours.

N

Everyone gets a free Power like a power up from my account, yo starting and then EOS PowerUp essentially monitors your CPU usage, and so, if you're transacting, as soon as your CPU drops below, like 10 or 20 percent I, don't know the exact number of Like Your Capacity. Then it will re-up you and it'll repower you up without even asking it'll just automatically do it foreign.

N

Listed accounts on EOS power up, so we added 505 accounts to the white list and the total of all accounts on all white list is only like 1200. So we they. uh They have a stats page on the US power up site, and you could see like this huge Spike uh since Monday or whenever we did that.

A

I love, it absolutely love it all right. Thanks, Zach and uh congrats again on becoming labor and delegate all right, I think uh Patrick is uh is on Deck available to say a few words to the community.

D

Patrick welcome to the Fireside.

D

Patrick can't hear you.

A

Yeah baby yeah I could just play your sound effect. A bunch I think gets the point across as well. um So whenever you fix your mic, there Patrick we'd love to hear from you. uh Anyone else here wants to jump in go ahead. If not I'm gonna start calling people out that I see in the chat that I know are layer. One delegates.

S

Sure I'll go I'll, go.

D

Great who's, this.

S

This is Perry with d news and uh I was elected as a level one. uh This last Saturday, so I'm really happy about that and I would like to thank each and every one of you for your vote. I very much appreciate it.

S

Actually, there's nobody here in this group that voted for me, which is kind of a strange thing right it's uh so we got. We became level one delegates I want to share briefly what I promised my group and give you guys in in the spirit of transparency, give give all of you the chance to keep track of me as well as my my specific group, uh but I'll make it very brief.

S

I I basically uh campaigned on the idea that I would be continuing to maintain and develop D news and offering that uh to the community, as well as supporting the effort for espx and I, really think that's a a direction that we need to move in and and explore, and it's not of course it's not finished, and it's not even fully implemented, but I think it deserves our our attention and effort and awareness. So that was my.

S

Those are my two promises to to the group and as part of that, the day I announced in the Eden fractal meeting that for the next week, I'll be setting a proposal who actually do that with d news and moving to the next stage where, where the the elected officials, the elected delegates of Eden fractal, will be, in fact, the editors of D, news and it'll be very simple on their part.

S

It'll be very little work, but I would consider it a responsibility to the community and that they maintain the the whitelists and The Blacklist of the publishing sources that make up the D News stream. So it's a very simple thing: it's not complicated and that's by Design I think I want to take this baby step. Connect the two connect this this fractal form of uh governance, this up up vote form of governance with a media asset.

S

So that's what I'm doing guys and I'm really excited to be part of this community and pushing the envelope in these little ways, because I think the the little things that we're doing today and be important in the future and because we're at the very edge we're at the edge so happy to be here. And thank you. Thank you for the opportunity to speak.

A

That's great so who, who exactly are going to be committers? Sorry, is that all layer, one delegates or the people who are sorry I, didn't quite get.

S

No, that's a very good question. uh Steven seven uh I am of the mindset at this moment that it actually is a better design that this group that controls the media is not the the the delegates of that of of Eden on EOS I think for the benefit of the community. It it uh it's better if it's in another group that offers a counterbalance of power just as we do in when we're setting up uh uh government government systems in our countries just like we have legislature and judicial and executive branches, all balancing each other.

S

So for that reason, I felt like it's better, to put it to Eden, fractal and and with the idea that that whoever controls the media should be a different organization than those that control the inflation well. I think those are two good ways of cutting the pie. Of course we're all just experimenting. uh That's that's what it's in my mind right now, and so that's what I'm suggesting.

D

All right, excellent.

C

Thank you. Thank you for sharing sounds like an interesting idea and uh yeah looking forward to seeing the progress you.

D

Do this this term.

A

All right any other layer, one delegates out here wanna say something before I start calling people out: hey, hey, hey Martin,.

T

Here from Dodge jams, team um I participated in all in elections so far, I have the honor to be elected as a layer, one Delegate for the first time, thanks so much for your trust in me,.

T

um And I'm looking forward to like um what to execute on what I was running on. So for me, uh what I was running on and what I got to support in. My first group was to organize a little bit the the layer, one delegates as like one group and where we can maybe give each other similar like the chief delegates through this weekly.

T

We can do like less frequently but at some point, uh uh regular, at least to give progress updates on our projects and maybe publish this so to create the awareness of what everybody's doing also create some transparency in this regard.

T

And if there are some funds or some delegates that don't know necessarily where to deploy the funds that we can coordinate where to pool funds or where to collectively um deploy funds so that we can assure some of the continuity of the tools and initiatives that that came from one or one and a half years of leading communities.

T

For example, the sobound tokens that were created for this election so um basically to to the idea of circles that previous Chief delegates had um you know bring this forward and and with some funding, bring some structure in there.

T

So that was the first thing that I was running on and I think um if you're layer, one I, hope you're in the group and uh um I deployed, like I, put like a Google sheet there in order to find out like how frequent we should do these calls and if there's actually appetite for these I, don't want to make these calls mandatory. It's really for those that are that are want to coordinate and want to communicate on where and what the Eden Community needs uh to to develop initiatives or what is important to maintain.

T

um So that was the first one that I was running on and the other one uh that I thought has value that um all these other Edens that are coming into this existence. So the green, even the Spanish, even the Chinese eating.

T

Once these, these groups are formulating um and and have the elections, I thought it makes sense that we started also to communicate between these groups and also potentially update each other on, like different forms of political trade-offs, different models, different learnings that we had and potentially have some kind of, like regular report on what I like to call like the global Eden or like all the Edens together, and so Eve's touched upon this. A little bit uh that we overcome the problems that come with the asynchronous time zones that our communities and um for.

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T

Last one basically publishing these articles, um uh I had I am planning to maybe work with Marco, who does the the briefings or Lenny who does anyway, the all the Recaps for the Western Eden. So they were in my second round and therefore we can already coordinate with the three of us on like how we, basically, as layer ones, can coordinate this initiative to basically have some media outlet that that updates, everybody on the um yeah Global Eden, different, Edens and um yeah.

T

Basically, the progress that that the Eden idea of political playoffs as a concept make in the different cultures and in different communities so yeah. That's basically the two things that I'm planning for this term.

A

All right, that's great Martin! Congratulations again and uh thanks for sharing with us.

C

All right, uh Patrick, if your mic is good, you know you can jump in.

A

Nathan is in bed with a sick kid at the moment. I don't know if that stops you from sharing a few words, uh but you can jump in or any other layer. One delegate go for it.

U

um You can all hear me uh above the uh construction going on I'll. Do a real, quick.

A

Welcome welcome Marco and congratulations.

U

Thank you first time, delegate uh attended each everyone, including the uh uh practice ones, um all right. So, as Martin said, and uh before him, um I've been uh keeping Community informed for briefings and crypto writer and stuff continue to do that.

U

um But now I have more options to add some Dynamic features to the website.

U

um I, really, love that um the media and eating um level. One delegates are becoming more active in um weekly, daily, um chats Community, whatever and working together, really I thought it would take a lot longer to get us to work together to be productive.

U

I just wanted to raise awareness, um so my um initially what I was thinking uh before um we started uh chatting after the election was to sponsor some productivity meetings uh for publication on chain and uh articles uh and extend that to uh all Eden members to join in um kind of not a little bit after the eating fractal so receiving some EOS is going to be um more pop-up meetings to gauge interest, but the idea for productivity is to either touch on key issues or actively Advance, something and along those ends.

U

I had an nft idea for people who want to um have future meetings. um Also brought up in my group was how I feel about the governance and key issues.

U

So that's on the mind, as well as for publication, an investigation, of course, the concerns of each individual member of my group, which go to improving and easing the onboarding process. That was a big concern for outside of the western demographic same thing, with a more friendly user interface and as far as the formal contributions there's the Dow Universe, possibly some Telos, as has been mentioned earlier today, and uh the upload and that's what I got for for now.

C

All right, thank you very much uh for sharing and and good luck with everything in your term.

A

Patrick you flicked on for just a second here.

A

Let's see who else we have? We got Drew Block in the house also.

C

Our layer, one delegate, I'm gonna, come on the mic Sail on something sure.

V

How's my sound.

A

It's great, probably better.

V

Than awesome, yeah, that's I have a lot of experience with it. um So uh I was elected as a layer. One delegate I'd like to uh thank my group, which included uh uh Murphy, Ron, uh Yana and and Greg.

V

um So many thanks for trusting me to be your your delegate and uh um in this in the same vein, I want to thank Joshua Seymour for being very um willing to listen and represent the uh the delegates that were in his group.

V

um As far as what I ran on I had a very specific proposal to create a fully on-chain voting and Rex rewards proxy, uh where BP votes can be proposed by Chief delegates and then approved by delegates.

V

um That requires a new account eden.rex, so that will be based on if we can start that new account. If not then I'm also interested in eating onboarding through the weekly rewards meetings. I think that's another uh useful thing and something that uh to me is a big value. Add in, in my opinion, in addition, I'm also very supportive of opening up Edens in other communities. So if I can do anything to support that I'd like to do that as well.

V

But yeah that's that's sort of roughly that's sort of what I ran on more or less.

C

Well, that that's great and uh congratulations uh on becoming layer. One delegate.

A

Who else do we have hidden here? I see, evgeny is in the house also a layer. One delegate: do you want to jump on the mic say a.

C

Little something.

O

A

You're coming in not so clear, but let's give it a try. Anyways foreign.

A

You know, robots can be delegates too.

W

X

uh No Steph, they cannot, because we have a civil protection system. There.

D

You go Jesse coming in with the facts.

A

Y

A

Yes, now you sound.

Y

Great okay, Welcome.

A

To The Far Side of Janine.

Y

um Thank you, uh hello. Everyone I, this is was my first time when I've been chosen as a first level, delegate and I wanted to thank you, uh my room. It's Brandon, Lovejoy and Max jump. I um I participated in at an election where I presented my project as a Russian speaking else Community. Like else this is the at first, it's my telegram Channel and Twitter Youtube and those are social media, Networks, oh, and where I spread information about eels.

Y

uh Interesting. That today is exactly uh birthday of uh like else it's three years uh since I started um this work um and in at the election, I wanted to find some funding for to develop this project, to attract new Authors translators and uh uh some assistance, because.

Y

There is a lot of information about those um a lot of Articles, a lot of meetings, for example like far side chat and all of this I should um we should in like it was. We should take a part in all of this meetings and read and sometimes translate some articles and spread this information on our channels.

Y

So I want to spend my funds like level one delegates to develop and to attract new, to develop this community and to attract new users.

Y

A

All right, that's great, um so the answer correctly said this is your year three birthday.

D

For when you started working um on EOS is that it.

Y

No an EOS I was on since, uh since the Ico I.

A

Know you've been here a long time, I recognize you, especially in the nft scene. I know you've been here a long.

Y

Time, yes, but my telegram Channel like it was when I started to I, create my telegram group right on 12th yeah.

A

Three years ago, one day happy telegram channels.

Y

A

Very much and congratulations for being elected level. One delegate this term.

Y

Thank you. Thank you all.

A

Right next up, maybe we can have uh Daniel Keys join us on stage.

D

Share a bit about.

C

His experience elected level, one thanks.

Z

Very much for having me up uh yeah. This was my first time being elected as a delegate at any level. um I've participated in most of the elections, I think I've missed one or two of them um previously I've never attempted to move forward as a level one delegate. It was an interesting experience this time getting moved forward for the first time. uh Another thing that was new for me in this election was typically every other election I participated in.

Z

There were very few people in the rooms that were trying to move forward as as Chief delegates. This time everybody was was moving forward, even in my first group, which is a cool sign of the progress we're making as a community hour. How we're becoming more I guess bought into this process and more you know, participating or maybe it was a coincidence. Maybe I just happened to have have a group of keeners in my group um but yeah. It was a really interesting experience. Still some Kinks to work out.

Z

uh My my experience began getting a phone call from Denny who was in my group uh phoning me to wake me up to say: hey Dan. Are you.

E

Z

uh Because the UI had uh I guess some some issues with the time zone or something that was telling me that it was going to start an hour later and I had to set my alarm a little too late. Luckily, though, I got the call and was able to join the room on time um so still some still some quirks to work out in in the UI and um as you'll see by the consensus.

Z

We came up that's kind of one of the themes, um but my my general pitch was I'm going to represent the consensus of this group to the chief delegates and that doesn't end in this election. I'll continue to keep an open lines of communication with the group that elected me, um you know continue checking in on. You know the thoughts of the community that I represent and- and you know.

E

Z

To representing those thoughts to the the chief delegates so that they can be heard um so after the election concluded and I was elected, as a chief delegate, I created a telegram group at the group, I did my best to summarize the conversation we had in the room. uh You know what the what I had you know uh what what I thought the consensus was and uh had everyone in that room weigh in and confirm yet looks like you captured it correctly.

Z

Here's some little tweaks here and there and um thank you to Martin for setting up that. L1, Channel and and the Google form I I went ahead and I submitted that consensus to the to the Google form.

Z

So now that it can be, you know, put on the record and all the chief delegates have access to it um and and I had the pleasure like I said: I got, you know, I didn't move past the L1 level, I I was in the room with Nathan James and um his his platform to you know really work on defining the purpose of Eden resonated with me, and it was in line I.

Z

Think, with the conversation that we had in my room, um so I had the pleasure of electing Nathan to move forward as a chief delegate, um so I'll quickly go over the the bullet points. I captured here for the consensus that my group and thank you in particular the the group that elected me, uh Sebastian and Bishop from EO support, Denny carrier from from us nation and Nicholas lorenzie.

Z

The group that elected me to move forward and the consensus we agreed on is that Eden needs to focus on building and improving the tools and services that push the needle on growing the membership and the election turnout, so that it can increase, resilience and govern itself more effectively. uh In particular, we need more user-friendly member onboarding and election processes and need to continue testing and improving. As we continually raise the stakes incrementally, we need to expand even beyond the English-speaking Community.

Z

We should look for opportunities to test Eden as an identity solution for new use cases with limited Stakes, for example, Pamela trust bonus, B's, whitelists, sold down tokens.

Z

um We support support the current mission statement of Eden, which is to add value to the EOS Network uh until the Eden community grows much larger as a stronger representation across different languages and geographies from the broader EOS community and has increased the resilience of its governance processes through iterative testing and development.

Z

Eden is not ready to be focused on a proxy or governance beyond the Eden community in terms of the budget I'm going to be creating a collection on pomelo, based on the feedback of my L1 group for projects that help push the needle on these themes that we agreed on and I'll donate my budget to those projects in the collection.

A

um Well, well done that's great thanks for the great recap: I love that you guys captured the essence of your L1 room. I personally agree with a lot of what was said there and that statement probably agree with all of it actually um and yeah that's great to see, and uh thanks.

D

For for sharing a bit today and congratulations on getting elected once more.

Z

Thanks for the opportunity to share.

D

A

All right next up, who do we have I, think uh we got Jesse who's next alphabetically as a layer, one delegate you.

D

Want to come on, say a few words Jesse yeah.

X

Hey everyone Jesse with the bees. It was an awesome election particularly exciting, was the completion of phase one of our civil protection plan and I'll get into it um during this. But I want to just thank the people in my my first group, um especially love handles of the dot gems team and Adam of EOS Detroit.

X

There was also a June Dam of d-board and me and June both wanted to move forward, but Adam and uh love handles they work with nfts.

X

And if you work on a project with nfts, you have uh bot issues and um they were very interested in using what um I and others was building in term four, and that propelled me um to uh L1 delegate and so um and it's great that I'm empowered to continue building that um in my round two group, recid Daniel, keys and and Nathan um I was very pleased to vote for Nathan I'm, so excited that he's participating and he's a chief delegate and uh I'm sure he's going to do awesome um in terms of the so for the Civil stuff.

X

So what we've done is um automatically distribute a non-transferable nft we're calling it a soul bound token. We think that's like better for marketing. If you vote in the election and because the election everyone has to be in the same room or not in the same room, everyone has to be at the same place at the same time with their video on having an intimate conversation for an hour.

X

um This is very powerful. Just inherently like civil resistant, we're formalizing it uh with the distribution of the Soul bound token and the more I think about it. um The more like powerful I feel like this solution is for a really big problem, a hair on fire problem out there in our community, with Bots, exploiting nft projects and others for the resources in those games and projects.

X

So um the next thing that we call it phase two is uh building a script, so um nft artists, for example, can check on one of two things: one our uni Eden member and two do have at least one of these uh Soul bound tokens, and we also want to design the script so that the call it just like the client or the project can choose how hard or soft Sybil they want.

X

um Civil protection is not binary. It's a it's a spectrum, so just for example, um like a really hard civil is. Maybe you have to um do three elections in a row over nine months like that's like a huge barrier right and uh you have to have three of these sbts or maybe like um I, mean I I I did a market research um during term four and I spoke to nefty blocks, for example, and and uh Juan great guy.

X

He was concerned um like why can't I just uh authenticate my users, just from the induction I, don't want to have them. I don't want to like. Have my users wait for like up to three months to go to the election, and so he wants like the softest, simple possible one, but I you know, I was telling him that the induction is really not appropriate as a civil, a protection tool, at least how it's currently constructed but anyways.

X

um So we want to build that script this term and do and and complete a beta test, um and so there have been a couple of artists that um have joined the Eden Community like back in October, um and so hopefully they can. This is so the idea is, they would do like a collection on EOS and nft drop that only Eden members who voted in this election um are able to claim, and so that would be to me that would be like complete phase two. Hopefully we can do that by in this term.

X

Five and uh yeah I just want to um thank everyone for participating Eden, especially people in my group, uh for voting for me and uh yeah. It's always always a great day election day and uh today, yeah and just yeah excited for all the the work we can do this term.

A

All right, congratulations again: Jesse and uh I'm curious. What's your track record uh in Eden so far, I think.

D

You've had some success in past.

X

Yeah yeah um so I'm a I'm, a two-time chief delegate, I'm the only person who's achieved that other than uh Chris Barnes and uh the times that I haven't been to Chief delegate so and this I'm, a three-time, L1, delegate, wow and uh elected.

A

Five times, yes batting a hundred percent.

X

I yeah I, just I, the Enid Community has been um very, very kind to me and um it's allowed me to uh build um the bees and all of the tools and I hope the community appreciates um what I've done so far.

A

I think it's very clear that the community appreciates it. um That's awesome, I mean we. This is now a new item that I'm going to add to my wish list. My Eden wishlist, which I'll share with you guys in a bit a leaderboard for who's, been elected. How many times all that stuff man there's so much data I want to see about Eden, but we'll get into that in just a bit. uh Are there any other layer? One delegates I think there are Lenny I, see Lenny's in the chat here, also a layer. One delegates.

R

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R

Yeah, it's great to hear all these different uh summaries and similar and first of all, I want to say thanks for to SEC, for that brilliant idea and uh that's really yeah, that's the kind of thing even members should have. They should have benefits and we're just gonna figure it out how we do it best, but anyway, uh my background uh when it comes to Eden and EOS is I. I was here from beginning and I've been to every trial election. Also, every election first term I did become level one.

R

uh What do you call it delegate level one or layer one, and that was okay, but continuously up to this election I've actually withdrawn. My candidacy in level, one because I saw skill, sets better suited for the time in other people and I'm happy to say the guys I withdrew for all ended up a CDs and very good ones.

R

So that makes me real happy about that, but this time around we those that follow it in discussions and hidden channels, they would have seen the frenzy of dialogue and discussion and not always productive or I would say mostly not productive. So I was determined. This time that now I need to get in at least to delicate level. So governance is one of my strong suits, as is accountability, and that's when I was going out with and was to pitch myself. Someone got in the way of that. Actually and I don't know.

R

His name is Stefan, because this guy he said something. Oh, we should have a recap: stay in a guy in every breakout room, so we know what happens and, of course, that's a Nifty idea that gave me an idea.

R

That's what I started to do now: Recaps, the Recaps of each delegate prove their breakout rooms and that's what I pitched because accountability. A lot of us know who got elected. We can see it online websites unfortunately tricky to see history, but at least recent history. But what happened with the funds? Where did it go? A lot of people are working in bedok and working hard without really showing it or talking about it, but we want to keep some track. What did they promise to do and there's no way of doing it very easy?

R

So as a level one? That is my first priority and delaying the bylaw review, and similarly that needs to be done and that I was gonna pitch and luckily I was in a group that had much the same thought I would say, and they pushed me up with one edition which we have heard a few times here already that we have to make it easier to become an Eden member.

R

We have to strengthen the rules for either members and also make the election process smoother and I must say that both the Apple bots have done great steps and look forward to see the rest of it. So anyway, so I became a L1 delegate, went up to round two didn't get any further, but that's a first also first set of round two without consensus, but hey consensus is also a decision for us. It was mainly due to technical reasons. We had delays and other things, but that's that's life.

R

You live by it and work on, but look forward to these Recaps because each delegate will the thing is: is 25 to 30 hours of video in total. That's quite a bit, but I normally go through anyway to learn different characters and what is being promised so I'll do a recap: format! Make it easy. So if anyone is interested at least you can find the East liver people, you want to keep an eye on and also find timelined the different commitments.

R

So anyway, thanks a lot for those that trusted me and I. Guess most of you or some of you at least know me have been here for a while and I'm happy to be here and try to serve a community thanks.

A

Congratulations again: uh Lenny um regarding the Recaps for every room. You know, I think it's great that you're offering to do that, but actually I think that should be kind of an established, Norm, Community Norm, where, if you're elected level, one you're expected to kind of come up with a nice little recap like Daniel Keith shared and share that.

A

But but maybe someone needs to compile all of them, so maybe Lenny you don't necessarily need to go and figure out the consensus Yourself by watching the room, but maybe you know make sure these delegate every layer, one delegates does it I, don't know just throwing ideas out there. I.

R

Appreciate that you might save me a bundle of hours, I'll work on better. You got good ideas, I appreciate it thanks, sometimes.

A

Sometimes another idea I have actually and I have no idea. If this is technically possible. uh Maybe I'll ask Jana to figure it out or maybe other streaming experts we have here in the community, but it would be awesome to live stream every single room as it's going on. I think that would add a lot of excitement and uh you know watch party potential for these Eden elections. So maybe something um something to think about for for next time.

A

C

Else do we have we've got Tian here as well from your support who's, a layer. One delegate: are you available to uh jump on Mike for a bit yeah.

AA

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AA

A

Yeah there's slight audio issues. I know we talked about that already uh Tien, but uh just just do your best and uh you know we'll work with it.

AA

Okay, uh I I put you guys if anyone can't hear me because my boss um is, uh are sick, but a few days, I got um a little tip, but I want to share some as well like another series and larger one delegates, um so yeah I'm exciting to expand on what is being to boil into the Spanish Community, the Spanish-speaking community, because there are many credibles leaders and Incredibles people and know that I have the opportunity to Advocate to the members and the community I'm open to help in any way.

AA

I can um this is my first time getting elect as liar one delegate, so I go, involve it with Edgar and did any attempt to boil it in Spanish and I was happy to talk with George with Jorge like what is in the mind leader of the fractal Spanish fractal Spanish, and they are progressively moving forward with Incredible people as well, and now we have a good and great opportunity to incorporate tools.

AA

We need the Spanish community and improve it, and it's great to know that I'm, not the only person involved in this systems and these protocols, because I was able to talk about um on this with people who are also result in Colombia.

AA

If some of you don't know I'm from Colombia- and there are another member Zimbabwe as well in in Mexico, Costa, Rica, Venezuela, Spain, Argentina, Cuba and some other that Ico forgot, but they are so important and I think that our community is aligning in the same direction and that's great and it's a good point and that's why I would like to invite any member of the community that updating the EOS community and the Eden community that are or is interesting in the room to participate in the third selection that will take place into theater in Spanish, which is my mind proposal for which I was elected as delegate liar one.

AA

So I go to have a massive amazing people. In my rooms, um like Roberto, was building fun. Things and I hear today was his. He boiling and looks amazing Gianna and Sergio buhar and community members in the community and in the the another room. I have unreal Michael, Barry and Joshua as well, so who our members that have a weird expensive experience on political health and contribute to the to the community, and if anyone will are interesting in participating in these elections that will be run on the other in Spanish is welcome.

AA

I, strong, black thought and eating is Ghanaian influence from the governance of Eden in other language, and at least for me. That is amazing, because, um thanks to those people have the opportunity to do it to do amazing things and I want. Also thanks. uh Today, community of after you bought on my confidence and my trust and yeah I'm signing to share with you as liar one of delegate and what is to come.

D

A

Thank you and congratulations once again.

C

Vlad are you available to come, say a few words to the community.

W

Yes, can you hear me.

A

Yes, welcome to the far side and congratulations thank.

W

You uh it was my second time being elected as a level one delegate.

W

um My promise was to continue working on the a even fractal and a Zeus fractal I. Think with the Zeos fractal we have.

W

We are building a great method: how to onboard more people to Eden so excited to work on that uh yeah. That's about it all!.

A

Right good stuff, Vlad thanks uh thanks for sharing.

C

Good luck in your term and congratulations once.

A

W

A

All right are there any other layer, one delegates that I may have missed that are in here that I want to say a little something if not we're gonna wrap up these delegate words with uh Patrick, who tells me his mic, is fixed and he's ready to go uh but Patrick before you jump on here. Let's just give a second to see if there's anyone I missed I, don't think so.

S

um Yes, I just wanna I just want to recognize uh the other people in my room, since that is the protocol of the other level. One I want to recognize reset from Turkey answers from Carino and Victor from Uganda. It was a it was a global effort in our room and thank you, gentlemen and I hope that I can represent you uh during this term. So, thank you. That's it.

A

Thanks Barry, all right and last but not least, I'd like to welcome Patrick Nova crypto Pat, Nova Joy, one of the loudest most passionate EOS community members, since the very start are one of our new Chief delegates. Patrick welcome and congratulations.

AB

Yeah baby yeah, that's.

AC

The confirmation that I waited thank you very much. Everyone very happy to be with you today and.

AC

uh Yeah, okay, so I I just want to to say everyone that has believing in in me. Thank you very much um to have voted for me or to have give you give me your support very happy with that uh about my election. That was unexpected. I was late for the election. I was 15 minutes. After the time I have made the upward bot reminder. I have met my my phone reminder.

AC

I was sleeping because I was very late on the the day of on the day before going to the bed, as always very late fast, not sleeping Was preparing my uh my deck, my three slide deck for this election and finally, I have Luke stock. Calling me into my telegram: what are you doing you come or not, and and I was joining. The election I was into the run one with Luke stock and with Jerry of the goods. That was very well.

AC

They have supported me so I, I, I, I, go to the next round and I have the chance to be with my inviter that goal on May 2021. Last year he was inducting me into Eden, so I had the chance to be with Zach gold. In my room with Xavier Fernandez of uh Pastor term 4 and I was also with red out the pool of Zeiss and Global into the same room.

AC

They have gave me a lot of support into the into the room, seeing that I will be very committed and focused on what I do, because very committed, as always, if I am, will not have the chance to be she's delegate on this term or also maybe not a delegate level. One I have only already been to time delegate level one, but if I would not be anything of that.

AC

For me, that's changed anything I feed me, uh a member of the EOS community of the Eden O'neills community and I want just to continue what I do as always. So what? What is my plan for this Tom 5 in the absolute and also for hidden onions? First of all, I have made the shift delegate interviews as I do at every term since the beginning, so I have interviewed Nathan James, NS James, you have the video Stefan. Thank you very much.

AC

You have interviewed with me and I have put the video just in time all swarmed, with the the bees by Jesse, jaffee I have made swarms for that. That's where we needed. We have to Market us. Otherwise, no one will Market us.

AC

Then what I have promised that I will do in the row. I have stated that I will be very committed with the bylaws, because the bylaws have to be on chain common. That's not normal, that we are under EOS main net and we have not even for the Genesis 1 the bylaws on chain. So now we will have the bylaws on chain. That's the first point that I want to be committed.

AC

The second point is the non-clement firms of delegate level 1 or, let's say non-climate funds in general have not to be stocked and staying into the hidden, fractal smart contract. They will be going back to the treasury after uh X months variable. Normally six months, but we can do something very flexible, so we will also of the bylaws very well crafted in bullet points, because the bylaws are like Shakespeare. This is not yet not yet really Buy Low that can be actionable and uh machine program programmable recognized by the smart contract.

AC

So we want to buy those very well crafted for that. I am in contact with Max show of Eden Korea, because by Eden Korea they have the battles on chain. They are think about their process from bottom to the top, and that's what exactly I will do during this term. I am already in, we will do uh I will do I speak for me at least, but uh I will do that. Also in collaboration with nsgms for school.

AC

um We are totally aligner that we need to have the process uh optimized. The process well crafted to reduce the probability to have bad intent into the identious community and that's Begin by adding process very well crafted deterministic and let's begin also by adding the by those as I stated on chain. Also, the induction script has to be very well clear.

AC

Why only say I agree to the peace treaty or I agree to the buy. Those that's make no sense. We need to ask some question to the invite to the guest or to the new member. What what is your goal when you are joining ironyos at least also test a little bit the English and for that a good induction script by Ben Sigman, but we will improve it the script and also have that on the on the on the web and by speaking about the web.

AC

I am behind mine web, as you know, and going on pomero season 5 soon, for the fifth time with pomero, mindweb and mineweb is an angular piece of software knowledge base. So that will be into the telegram new member telegram for hidden where we have categories now in in a in a telegram.

AC

That's very well welcomed we will have the Mind map hidden dashboard, because I I maintained the hidden dashboard for Eden since the beginning, where you have the video of the CDs that are mapped out, there will be also the spend Explorer by Xavier, Fernandez and Edgar Fernandez of edenya. uh That will be mapped out. The recap of Lenny will be also mapped out.

AC

All will be connected, so I have a lot of Works to do, and um I will share here just a slide of my deck, not the three slide, but just this slide and I think you will you have the the message here slide?

AC

Okay, so that's exactly what I have presented during my rooms? That's exactly what I will do. That's my personal objective: it's to create um platform model ecosystem for hidden onions, but also for hidden fractal, because I am into the both side. I am since June, with dance enjoy at the core of Eden fractal, also with Vlad. That was just speaking before. I am connected with them and ayanoons here that I have gave today into the Eden factor that was recorded.

AC

I have gave turns to to Vlad of of Eden fractal to continue the hidden Factor integration, because we have tools there and those integration that we do into hidden fractal will benefit also either on EOS. So you see my plan I. Do the special edition on EOS videos? That's not just to say hello, guys! I am happy that you are elected, that's also to make some update about identios. We have not to wait the end of the three months to have regular update, so I will do regular, update videos.

AC

I do also, as you know, the anti-lock Swiss Workshop fourth season, beginning on January 23rd I, announce already I have Jesse jaffee of the bees. We will do an update about the Mind map and the cockpit for Eos bees that was released on December 23rd I will have a video with Daniel Keys Palmetto season 5. We will speak about pomero I have a video with dancing Joy vlades foreign.

AC

Workshop, so I am committed, committed I, do exactly what I say because for me it's all about testify your intent. Do the things deliver, so all what is written is you. Can you have not even to ask me if I will do I will do? There is no other way, because I cannot see into my glass into my window when I wake up if I have not made what I have testified. So it is it's all about intent, testifying doing the things deliver. The things that's features of trust.

AC

You cannot say of someone I trust you. You can just check the things so I checked the people with who I work, Jesse, jaffee, I love him I work with him since September October last year, I love to work with dance enjoy into Eden fractal, with Vlad, with tadas vertic units that I give also some funds uh iPhone. Basically other projects, I, don't I, don't take any salary for me into this uh Chief election because I want to grow the value of yours and when I say I want to to grow the value of yours.

AC

I know what I speak because grow the value of EOS means nothing. This mission statement is very poor. We will improve this mission statement. The mission statement, the common mission statement, yeah common, the mission statement of hidden onions, is to help communities of verified humans. That's the Civil check, wherever they are build their own versions of hidden whatever. That may be together power Red by EOS. That's that and we will help other people to create beautiful things. All of that will come mind.

AC

Map Eden, cockpit and mind map either Eden fractal cockpit, because I work for the two communities I want to bridge hidden fractal with Eden on EOS that will be Brigid that will be interoperable, and so we need process well crafted into hidden onions. We need process well crafted into the circle of Eden fractal, and then we can treat the bridge and when we have made all that we can add on top of the Hidden onions, the people, the human, not the other way we have to make bottom up. I am totally aligned with NS James.

AC

We will work in a good collaboration, but I will do my things. I will be also consensual, with my fellow CDs very happy to be with Joshua simu, Nathan James Joseph, and very grateful for my um my people into my room like Zach gold. Thank you very much Zach for the shippo Xavier, Fernandez and uh red out their pool that I will surely also interview soon for an update about zaison global uh soon. So thank you very much for your support and uh go EOS and uh yeah.

AC

I can just say that I am very grateful and yeah baby.

AB

Yeah baby yeah.

A

All right, good, stuff, Patrick, congratulations uh once again, all right! Thank you! Everyone for sharing uh these comments. uh All of you elect uh delegates that was really great um looking forward to the next edition of this hot sauce in three months after the next uh eating election.

A

All right. So, if you guys will allow me the next two hours, no I, don't know how long it's gonna be probably not two hours, but I've got uh a lot to say about this uh previous election um where to start well, I've got a plan, so I know where to start so so, basically I'm going to start by sharing.

A

Why I did the things I did on on the January 7th election and I'm, going to list all the strategies that I employed and what I learned in the process and the suggestions uh to Eden that that I bring based on all of these uh these learnings, so uh first of all, I'm gonna share a few base assumptions that I had that I believe that impacted how I acted in the January election. So um these are assumptions.

A

Some of this is fact a lot of it is speculation, slash my best guess at what I think people? Why I think people do the things they do. Of course, no one can really know for sure, uh but you gotta, you gotta, make decisions based on something, and so these are the things I believe and I made my decisions based on these things. So, okay, so, let's get into it.

A

So first of all, I believe that block one and Helios are incentivized to try to unlock Brock's tokens that were frozen from uh by the block producers. Technically, not Brock's tokens. Technically the networks tokens but Brock has a claim on them. Block one had a claim on them: they sold them to Brock.

A

All of that, brouhaha, whatever to me, seems reasonable that they are incentivized to try to unlock these tokens um Han and some some of the EOS community members have been for years vocally and actively trying to stop slash forbid, slash dissentivize voting, rewards on EOS both on chain and off chain they've been campaigning against voter rewards. That became my vote EOS. That became the even smart proxy that became the EOS smart smart proxy.

A

This latest proxy is now being organized and supported in Parts, by Han, by Helios and by block one in some fashion or another.

A

um The Eden smart proxy, as it was presented, leading up to the election, has a white listed set of block producers that Eden members can vote for the whitelist conditions are set by the proxy owners. If a BP completes all of the conditions in a way that satisfies the proxy owners, then these BPS are added to the whitelisted list of VPS.

A

Eden members can vote among the whitelisted BPS, for which BPS they would like to see on the voting roster of this Eden smart proxy. There's no on-chain way to guarantee that the proxy owners will not add or modify the whitelist requirements in the future. From what I understood the security model was basically trust. Me bro. This Eden smart proxy was presented with the ultimate goal of allocating one percent of the aid inflation to it and a proxy that has one percent inflation directed to.

A

It will eventually force all voters to vote for it due to the extremely high yield and high share of total Network inflation. That proxy will eventually control the top 21. Therefore, whoever controls the owner permissions of this proxy effectively controls the EOS Network, the rest is theater, so if one percentile inflation is allocated to only one proxy and not the other proxies in the network, then the network has basically been captured by the owner keys of that proxy.

A

The Eden smart proxy was also promoted to large token holders, using using deceiving stats about the size and activity levels of Eden of its community of its proxy and all of the activities related to it. The Eden smart proxy was also promoted to large token holders, whales and exchanges as a way for them to increase their block, producing, rewards and profits by not having to give any voter rewards anymore.

A

At the same time, this is sold to the community in a way that the BPS, who get these extra rewards will reinvest them back into the community again. No, no, no on-chain mechanisms to force this. Just trust me bro did so so uh did the Eden Pro Smart proxy really think that I don't know.

A

For example, bitfinex was going to invest more in the Eos Community if they had increased block producer rewards I personally, don't buy that also I think that the Eden smart proxy was promoted to both Eden members and large token holders in a deceptive way that masked the true intentions of the proxy creators and the proxy backers, which I assume would be Helios and block one staking large amounts of tokens to it. Their true intentions is to capture the network and unfreeze.

A

The block, 1 and block tokens I believe that Helios hired employees are paid to effectively work towards that goal, perhaps with or without knowing that they are themselves doing that. So I believe that the EOS network was under attack via the Eden smart proxy and I felt I needed to defend the EOS Network through Eden.

A

So, to recap: block one in Helios are incentivized to try to unlock Brock's tokens parentheses, prox tokens and block one in Helios we're trying to use Eden to deceive large token holders in order to get them to vote for their game. Breaking proxy I'm not going to check I'm not going to check the comments just yet um I'd rather not go into discussions about each of these points. We can discuss that afterwards. Obviously this is my opinion and I'm just kind of painting a picture of what I was operating under like.

P

You're not going to allow counter arguments to all these points to find you're going to go on a pre-record you've pre-prepared this you've labeled about 15 different points that could be talked about and you're not going to allow an opportunity to respond. Well.

A

Yeah, just not just right now, I'd like to go over the other points that I've paired. So if you want to take notes, take notes, I'm, definitely ready to respond to them afterwards.

P

Topical, if we could cover these now since you've just thrown out a whole bunch of you're not going to get but go ahead, yeah keep going.

A

Well, I'm just saying like this is just what I believed at the time. You know, if that's the true reality of the situation, maybe it is maybe it is not I don't claim to have the ultimate truth in the world, but this is my truth and that's. There's are the assumptions that I was operating under.

S

Be a very controversial subject and I think in the spirit of fairness, I, don't think it's really right that you take advantage of your host position to choose the timing to come through a very well prepared and very well spoken. I will say that very well, very perfect, very, very uh persuasive argument to to kind of uh Ambush us a little bit. I think a proper debate is is warranted if we're gonna we're gonna go at that quality level and I think that was.

U

S

um Let's do that, but let's let's allow other people and let's do it right. Let's talk about it, let's really talk about it.

D

A

Right, let's talk about it a bit but like, like I, said: whatever arguments you bring up will not change the fact that this is what I believed at the time right. This is what I believed leading up to the election, so we can debate if this is true or not, but it's not going to change that. It was true for me at the time.

S

Not even I'm, not even touching the the content of your comments at all I'm, just suggesting that, if we're gonna really.

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S

This debate: let's make it a fair debate: you're a fair person Stefan, let's make it a fair debate. Let's, let's give people time to prepare like you just did. You clearly did and I'm giving you a lot of credit for that, but let's, let's make it a fair debate, because it's an important debate, it's at the Crux of the entire reason. Why we're all here and we and half of us have one idea and the other half have another idea.

S

So, let's, let's agree on a day and let's have a let's say: maybe next next meeting is dedicated to this. We have some brief brief uh household business. But basically we talk about this subject because it's an important one.

U

Eos didn't have time to prepare itself. If this is true, it's a subversive attack.

AC

I just want to say something here: okay, uh don't cut me off, don't write me off, okay, otherwise, I will sing. Don't write me off. Okay. That was my last song by the way don't write me off, and that was for the reason that I have made this song, because there is a lot of okay so either nothing else. You have to be focused on the processes, the proxy, whatever what you want to call it total TT, Volvo tutu, that's totally a girl. Okay!

AC

Now it's 300 for EO smart proxy to be considered as a smart, proxy. Smart, so specifically specific, measurable, ambitious, realistic and in time just say, don't just say smart to be sexy, but something to be very well crafted. So if you want to have a good proxy you have to, you need to have good BPS in okay and this proxy I have a I have accompanied for that. I I was with that goal. Xavier Fernandez into my room. I have also put a message: I have the ball. To put this message into telegram.

AC

I stated I will not spend one minute of my time during the storm. 5 to take the to waste my time to discuss about this epoxy, because this proxy has nothing to do with what we have to do into this hidden onions. We have to find our resonant.

AC

We have to do bottom up, so I don't want any distraction, so this proxy should be managed out of hidden Onions by someone very dedicated and by people that we can check and have the trust for the moment what I have seen for the permission on the smart contract, the nicaria has made a good job to demystify the the permission behind the smart contract. That's very cool! That's very poor! So OVI! If you can hear Patrick anymore, I, don't care!

AC

I say what I want to say is and I don't want to have a debate on Long on this proxy, make a call make a a room table between new Chris, Stefan and others, and make this debate recorded where we have a civil debate and all with a moderator, because here I think it's not the place to to waste our time. Now we don't have to have more okay, sorry to be harsh, but that's what I mean. That's what I want to say and thank you.

P

So if you want to hear about this, can't they talk about it, then Patrick yeah you're, welcome to turn your radio off. If you don't want.

A

To talk about that exactly there will definitely be more proxy talk in the points that I've prepared. So if you don't want to hear proxy talk, very fair, just uh just disconnect, in my opinion, Chris.

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A

You want to address- maybe a few points here, at least before I continue.

P

I think Marco go ahead. Marco you had something to say.

U

Agreeing with Patrick at the very least, it's an overstep, fourth time being.

P

To talk about this is an overstep or how.

U

At least for the time being, uh at the very least, we can say the smart proxies and overstep uh to centralize, okay,.

P

Well, fine um I mean what would have been useful. I mean this is obviously a cleared. A prepared assault, Stefan based.

A

On your beliefs- and that's that's- awesome- it's not cleared by anyone. This is just not.

P

Cleared it was uh clear, a clear assault: oh not clear, death as any received approval from your boss, which I'm sure you have, but regardless of that, I I.

A

D

You listed so many things.

P

For this yeah I didn't I said clear: apologies for adding the D to the word clear, um Edie, I guess uh so. Yeah you've listed so many things you spoke it fast I tried to make notes. As you went like each one of them is like there's it's just it's one speculative point after another, so B1 and Helios are incentivized to unlock the vesting contract is how you started us. So why so, who see? The thing is: does anyone in here in this room know the contract between B1 and Brock? Anybody? No! If.

A

They wait for a second, then it would tear up a lot of this speculation but as it stands now, I'm gonna speculate on the contract.

P

So every private, every private company, every private company, should declare contracts to use Stefan. So you can have a clear understanding of what happened. Are you just going to assume a whole bunch paint a speculative narrative around what you assume and then it and then attack Eden, because, while all this is defending, is your attack on Eden? That's what really happened right if we look at when the smart proxy was released, uh basically on the 22nd of December.

P

Since then, 35 new members, all associated with the enf and Helia or sorry enf and EOS Nation, were entered into the Eden uh membership and executed. What seemed very clear and there's so much good. Video I encourage everyone here to watch the clips of the round one and round two rooms, there's so much gold in there about what really happened and it was a coordinated attack.

P

So why attack something that we knew had vectors in it like for what purpose just to prove a point or because you really truly believe that B1 and Helios are attacking the EOS Network through myself, I'm some evil master, manipulator who's able to single-handedly attack on behalf of B1 and Helios and then wax it I guess, because we're the only two Helios employees now and somehow, there's some coordinated attack. It's just it's crazy to think that, but you think it which is fine, but anyway to the point.

P

No one's seen the contract between B1 and Brock. So this assumption that they want to unlock it. Where does that come from who lost money in that deal? Did anyone lose money, is Brock still being.

D

Paid does he want to even give a eight.

P

Million tokens, no, they were going to give it away anyway. I mean people's memory. Your memory is better than that Stefan. When that freeze was about to happen, B1 said: look we'll give 30 million over to the enf. We don't care, we'll give 1 million to the Mellow 1 million to Eden, and the other 45 was going to go to Brock. Well, so B1 didn't want any of those tokens the 45 to Brock. Also, you don't know.

P

No one I don't even know the inside of that conference in that contract, but it's not a done contract. There's Clauses in there like this was a potentiality that was assumed so no one's out. So this idea there's just some Grand attack, and even if there was a grand attack, explain me this: how is it exactly that B1 or Helios could control the outcome of the proxy? If you look at the list of BPS in that proxy you'll recognize almost all of them.

P

Do you think they're going to just like all of a sudden do whatever B1 and Helios want no they're independent BPS? We have no ability to tell them what to do. It's never been. There's nothing. You ask any of those BPS did you. Were you ever pressured that if you're going to sign up to this proxy, you got to do a B1 and Helios One. Never once has that ever come up even once. So please explain to me: I'll give you a chance to respond now.

P

How exactly could be B1 and Helios, especially now that I'm removed from the msig? How do they have control over the proxy.

A

So all of these assumptions were when you were on the MC to be clear and before the Rebrand and all that so I'm just kind of explaining what I thought you know at that time, um but the way they control it is that you can change the whitelist requirements at any time and these block producers that are now in the top 21 if they want to stay in the top 21. Suddenly there are new requirements uh placed on them.

P

Okay, so you think we're gonna bait and switch, so that's our big attack Vector that that even and also M6, right, it's multiple. It's not.

A

P

A

So, even though that could be a possibility and I don't think Chris, you're, necessarily evil and executing on this plan. You know uh I, don't know, I, don't know what you know. I, don't know what you don't know you say: Brock doesn't share all the things which makes sense, of course, he's not going to just share all his private plans and private finances or whatever, um but still may be working towards that goal. Unknowingly.

P

A

At any time, the owner keys can switch the requirements at any time. So, regardless of hey who chooses the the whitelisters is the uh some sort of Eden style election or whatever it is okay, but that could change at any time based on the owner. Keys wishes.

U

Okay, if I could chime in here um govern the news for, however many years, um the big issue was that a lot of producers were not incentivized to build the ecosystem and um lot one kind of proved there for a time that it wasn't building the ecosystem. It was just concerned with the tokens- and this seems to we're back to that. We had just talked earlier- that the enf doesn't hold enough tokens to to distribute an over-the-counter sort of thing.

U

So if, at the very least it does look like it's a reversion to pre-emf development, um you know it's hard to argue against them.

A

Any other comments.

D

Or question at this time for my assumptions before we go on.

AC

Assumptions and I have the goals to say it's, not the fact that if Chris is good or if his case is bad, I have already speak with a lot of time with Chris I have a lot of respect for himself as a person, but I make an insta distinction between the person himself and the and the IDS and the data and the information I try to abstract.

AC

So for me, this proxy, whatever it is, we want to call it has nothing to do with our priority now, so we I don't want to have noise, as we have since now. Four weeks, five weeks, we speak every day on that, so I want to be focused on our that we have to do to strive yeah just.

A

That I want to say we know your position and um thank you. Okay, let's get into the good stuff now that the bad stuff is behind us. um So those were my disclaimers. I'm gonna go into some more assumptions and definitions of words before I go on I'm, going to talk about what my definition is of a game. What I love about Eden right now? What is the Eden optimal strategy? In my opinion, what kind of proxy I would like to see? What does a highly powerful Eden?

A

Look like Eden rules, changes in proposals that I've thought of and and Eden wish list, let's get into it, so the Eden protocol to me you know, is different than eating on EOS and is different from the Eden operating system. You know the Eden protocol to me would be the hard and soft corroded rules that make up the process of Eden which distributes resources to its participant.

A

The Eden operating software is the software written to facilitate such a process and then eat it on OS is the EOS implementation of Eden and currently the only implementation of Eden in the world that has significant resources. In its treasury, all of that I'm just going to refer to as Eden in my speech and in in the following, you know points that I'm going to make um I'm, also going to ignore any possibility of AI generated images or speech, or anything like that. We're just gonna ignore that Rabbit Hole uh for all of today.

A

So why was I doing the things I was doing. I was doing it because I believe we must hardened Eden in order for it to withstand the pressures that will be exerted on this system.

A

First of all, what's my definition of a game. So in my opinion, you know any environment with multiple participants trying to achieve certain goals and the likelihood of success for these participants depends on the quality of their decisions compared to the decisions of other participants. There are hard-coded rules that physically cannot be broken. There are soft coated rules that, if broken Merit disqualification or removal from this environment or game unenforceable rules only Advantage cheaters, that's kind of a basic core belief of mine and that's going to be applied to all my behavior here.

A

Basically, life itself can be considered a game. Soccer is a game. Of course. Poker is a game. Eden is designed with Game Theory at the center of it. Therefore, to me, Eden is definitely a game and I. Don't say this in to be insulting towards Eden or towards people who believe Eden is a lot more than a game. You know that's just kind of the way I see life and the way I see Eden every game contains that contains decision making will have winning strategies and losing strategies.

A

Those strategies are not chosen by the players playing the game. Those strategies are derived from the current rules of the game by applying Game Theory to these rules, um for example, video games sometimes update their game, and then they introduce op or imba characters. You know overpowered characters or imbalanced characters, and then you need more updates to adjust the balance of these, because this creates new strategies that are too powerful for the game to be fun to be enjoyed.

A

um If you change the hard or soft soft coated rules of your game, you change the game itself and therefore you change the optimal strategies that must be employed to win in this new game. Viable strategies for games change drastically when played at high stakes compared to play compared to being played at low stakes. This is very evident for anyone that has played poker before you play with your friends.

A

There's no money on the line: you're not going to be making the same decisions as if you're playing with those same people, but suddenly there's a lot of money online. All right! Now we're good back now that we got that out of the way here are some things that I really love about Eden the political playoff process, I love it it's super exciting um I, don't know why it was changed to the upvote election.

A

To me, political playoff sounds a lot more engaging and fun, uh but anyways. That's not really relevant the excitement of election day in all of the community that that's amazing people passionately campaigning about how they want to improve EOS in the weeks leading up to the election. Absolutely amazing! For a community people being engaged on EOS um long time, Community Fund members getting funded to work on EOS projects. They love that.

A

Actually, while I was writing, this out is I, realized, I, think the ultimate superpower of Eden right now, and that is to be able to elevate and reward and recognize long time, EOS community members that have contributed so much to this community and I. Think, regardless of what you all think about everything else, I'm gonna see uh say I think we can all agree that the chief delegates that are elected every term are absolutely amazing and amazing people in the Eos community and the Eden system is able to find those people and we can celebrate.

A

We can celebrate that so I think that's absolutely great. um You know so. Yeah Eden has proven its ability to recognize great EOS contributors. I think that's the greatest superpower of Eden right now. It's always a constant and pleasant surprise at who finishes Chief delegates every single time, I'm, surprised and I'm pleasantly surprised. I was watching the L2 votes coming in, live on that election page and when I saw Zach voting for Patrick.

A

For chief delegate, I literally cheered in my seat and I was super excited about the possibility of Patrick becoming Chief delegate, and we were. We were watching the the rooms they were like you know, I had a watch party with some friends type of dealing like oh, this room is, is not achieving consensus and then suddenly the whole room achieved. The votes changed and the room achieves consensus.

A

That's super exciting and you know I look forward to the next in an election for that stuff, um EOS, community members feeling fomo and reaching out to me at the last minute to join Eden because of what I said, because what I said resonated with them and they want to have to their voice heard so I thought. Actually you need to be eating 48 hours before the election and that's what I told everyone when I was saying hey get in there, you need to be in there at least 48 Hours blah blah the last day.

A

A lot of people reached out and like hey Steph. Is it too late for me to get in Eden and I was like actually yeah? No, it's not too late. I was misinformed. You can get in and so there's a lot of people that joined in the last day that you know they felt the fomo.

A

They I gave them plenty of heads up, but still their last minute, and then you know they want a fomo into the election, because they're passionate EOS community members, so all of that I think is, is super exciting and I love Eden about you know for for all of that stuff all right. So what is the Eden optimal strategy in my opinion? So what is that EOS of it all? If you will, in my opinion, Eden's ultimate goal, is not building consensus.

A

It's about winning elections in order to gain the associated rewards with winning those elections. I know that's going to be very shocking to many of you that I don't think Eden is ultimately about consensus building, but about winning elections. The rewards for winning a need, an election include resources, impact influence, Prestige and reputation. In my opinion, we can, we can I, can kind of Define what I mean real quickly resources. Of course, you get some EOS from the treasury to invest in whenever advancing your election platform.

A

You get impact you get to impact the Eden Community you get to impact the EOS Community you're, given a platform to share your ideas, you get influence kind of. In the same way, you can influence a lot of things. You can influence other delegates. Etc you get prestige. Of course, I think people are proud. You know to win.

A

uh I need an election kind of you know getting the buy-in from the community that that they like what you're doing and you get reputation, gain of course, and there's probably a whole lot more of these rewards for winning an election that all of you think right and I'd love to hear your thoughts on that. um You know, if you guys want to jump in here at any time jump in, we don't have to wait for me to finish the whole. The whole whole shebang we can jump in.

A

We can discuss each point as we go. Let's just do it, that's fine!

A

The magnitude of the rewards for winning a need. An election is dependent on the Eden Treasury and the ER stake that Eden members can control.

A

So of course, last election the treasury was kind of low, was not that many rewards perceives rewards for winning the last election turnout was kind of low I. Personally, that was the first election I missed. You know.

A

I chose to hang out with friends and family instead of going to that election, because I thought you know, the the rewards were too low and I had bigger, rewards hanging out with my family and friends, all of a sudden, there's 500 000 more in the treasury and there's the potential that large token holders would support this Eden smart proxy. So it's obvious it was well.

A

It was obvious to me I mean this is an assumption, but it felt obvious to me that block one is likely going to stake to this Eden smart proxy, based on the things that you know, the the smart proxy organizers were saying. So to me. Not only were there significant uh resources available, you know through the Indian treasury, for this election, but also potentially significant EOS governance power available to those who participated in one in the Eden election.

A

So if the stakes are much higher, people are gonna put much more effort into winning an Eden election. um All right.

P

Hey just on that point, let's see, let's tease out one thing yeah: um how does the winners, the delegates and chief delegates of this current election? How does that change anything about smart proxy? If that's some sort of attack vector by B1 and Helios, explain to me what changes? No.

A

I'm just saying it's high stakes, because these these elected delegates may get to control- let's just let's just put some random numbers out there. Let's give.

P

uh Videos but they don't rate no you're, not answering your question. You're.

T

Talking about yourself future.

A

P

Maybe what about this election, this actual election? What difference does it make? Well.

A

No, they don't. Yes,.

P

Right, the answer is.

A

P

Answer well correspondence. They.

A

Don't right now but block one may choose to stake: 80 million votes or whatever at any point to the EOS smart proxy that is controlled by Eden members. That.

P

May happen, members: how is it controlled by eat members exactly okay? So, let's.

A

Say they stay I'm, not Chris I'm, not saying it's controlled, but I'm saying the stakes are high, because the Eden members that are elected will have high uh influence over 80 million stake. How how.

P

Will they have that explain to me how that changes tell.

A

Me well because block one is going to stake to the the EOS smart proxy. The EOS smart proxy is going to allow Eden members to vote on certain VPS to see which of these BPS get the 80 million stake right.

P

How many BPS are on the list right now.

A

P

P

Then the voting doesn't matter right. I agree. Your point is actually kind of irrelevant. Is my point. I agree, but.

A

But you agree: it's irrelevant how many BP's on the white list, how much stake to the proxy those things could change between now and the next election right and if and if that does change, then suddenly turns out that the prior election was really high stakes, because now Eden members have influenced over 80 million of stake. That's what I'm saying to me I felt like oh, my God. This may happen in the next term, so this election may be very important. Maybe. Not maybe that's not true.

A

Maybe that's a false assumption on my part, that's very possible and we're gonna find out I guess in the next three months, if there is actually significant stake allocated to a proxy that that you know that that allows even members to choose to choose the the the BPS that votes you.

P

Just seem to be defending a lot of your decision making, based on this imminent threat. Theory.

AB

Yes and it yes, but now you realizes you're.

P

Admitting that there is no limit threat, there's just a possibility.

M

P

You must okay, there's a possibility and then that then, that manifests in the form of anyone now can rank the BPS that are on the White list that are controlled by this private group that are all have nefarious means and trying to take over the chain, but even light of that we're going to let in more than 30 BPS now and that's what's really important, because then those on this Eden Community now can vote which of those BPS in the list actually receive the vote or not.

P

That's what you defended against that's what all this was about. Just am I getting it. Is that basically it yes.

U

Shouldn't the goal be to encourage the community to um select your own 21.

D

P

Any proxy can do whatever it likes. Of course, this proxy is electing or suggesting to use this community to help curate it and run it, but that's being made ever more unrealistic see what I take from all. This is I'm a gratitude to the attackers of Eden, because that's also what happened here, there's a perceived attack and a Potential Threat from B1 and Helios the Boogeyman in the room who, when you really look at it, have zero control over this.

P

So it's a totally strong argument, but the real Attack that did take place that we witnessed was on Eden itself that actually took place. It's seen in the videos Stefan the Jen in your room, her exact words where she was your proxy that is equivalent to a civil attack, even though it's not technically that it basically is that, because she was only going to vote in line with what you told her to him, I'm guessing.

P

If she didn't end up in your room, go figure, you would have just pm'd her in telegram saw who she was in a room with and told her who to vote so I mean. That's. That's blatantly cheating and as long as you I guess, you're owning up to that and you're proud of it. For some reason as well, but I mean it is defying the rules of Eden trying.

A

Not only successfully am I owning up to it and I'm going to share everything. I did not only am I proud of it. I think I'm, actually one of the most valuable players in the last Eden cycle because of the things I've done because of the attention that now is being brought to these flaws in Eden as it exists currently, which are flaws. That I think if the Eden elections become very high stakes, these flaws are going to crack the system completely open and I. Don't want Eden to fall apart.

A

I don't want the EOS Community to destroy itself from the inside. If all of a sudden, the Eden members are controlling, let's say 130 million votes of EOS right. If that happens, I don't think that Eden Eden as it currently stands is able to withstand such pressure.

A

P

Well, it's too bad I mean it's too bad. You didn't recognize the threat and actually just try to fix it without explicitly attacking it, because there's two ways you can do it. You can be a white hat. You can notice a problem and then work with the team and always involved to try to fix it. So it doesn't happen or you just attack it and cause stalemates cause people in your room to not move forward waste of time.

P

Like you had people who could have moved forward and you're around you stalinated, it there's some other rooms that were stalemated, there's other individuals who didn't get funded that could have based on this attack. So you've also heard other people who could have benefited from the funding to for the benefit of this community. Instead, you just prove your point, which you didn't have to do.

U

I actually I actually had a stethane proxy in my room and made that argument that he's not here so I believe um I count you as half a person sort of, but at the same time I knew his record and I was happy with the explanation and the person stepped aside, uh because once heard what I had to say, it was in line with stephane's interest. Now perfect, no, but recognize and definitely yeah, definitely a threat area. But at the same time the proxy was done responsibly and open about it.

U

It didn't hide I believe it was a proxy 4.. I. Think that's part of the issue. I think part of the subversion is that there are other people out there supposedly working for another.

E

U

A

So I was on the impression that proxies are allowed in Eden. You know when even started I think that's one of the features is like hey, you can run for election on your platform or you can run for election on someone else's platform. So to me having what I call friend proxies in the election was totally fine. I had four.

P

Things that's different than telling someone how to vote. That's different.

A

Yeah yeah fair enough I had four friend proxies in the election, I explained to them the situation of EOS, the situation of Eden as I as I understood it I explained why I thought it was super important uh to get more people in this election to to uh promote my vision and Mission in Eden, and there are no minimum requirements of knowledge about Yasser Eden required to enter the Eden system. Is that correct? Probably not? Are there more restrictions that should be placed?

A

Probably yes, but there was there weren't at the time, and the thing is, is that you know in this election there was one issue that was much more important than all of the rest right: the Eden smart proxy, the one percent inflation that was kind of the most important issue, this election. In my opinion- and there was clear, literally two sides to that issue: some people support it. Some people were against it. So when I was thinking about all this I was like. Oh my God.

A

What if the people supporting this proxy are right now actively getting a ton of people into this election? If I don't do the same thing, we're gonna lose so because that possibility exists because that strategy is available to people. If I didn't do it and then the opposing side did it, we lost automatically so so. I felt the need to do as much as I could to get as many people aligned with my vision and admission for Eden into this election and I.

A

Don't think I did anything wrong by doing that and I don't think having a friend, proxy and being like. Hey here are the here's, the situation, people who who work for Helios or who support the Helios I think should be blocked, um and if you, if you want to have my opinion on various members in your room, very happy to share my opposition research that I've been doing over the past months, was I compiling a list of people and their opinions on the proxy over the last uh month, as we were.

A

Having all of these discussions in telegram absolutely I was because I wanted to have research material available to me when I'm in a room with someone hey. What have these people been saying over the last few weeks?

A

um You know and I don't and I, don't hate people that don't have the same vision or Mission as me: I, don't think they're, lesser people, anything like that. I fully respect everyone's opinion. Everyone has different opinions, that's great, um but I I want to be prepared, I'm, doing research, I'm, compiling data I'm, preparing myself for this election.

A

You know and I, don't think, there's anything wrong with that and if the stakes are high enough, everyone will be doing this because those who do are going to be more prepared and have higher chance of winning than those who don't. Therefore, everyone needs to do this, and that's kind of the point of me sharing this today is I want to elevate everyone's eating game: hey here's, the strategy that I thought of and I thought you know: I executed, whatever here's, what I was doing now. Everyone knows about this strategy.

A

Great the the playing field is level we're now all playing Eden at a higher level. Let's see what new strategies emerge, because if I don't share this information, I keep it for myself. I'm likely going to continue having an advantage in Eden in the coming elections until these strategies are kind of obvious, and everyone knows them well at that point, the strategies that are that win when most of Eden are not thinking on this strategic level are going to be different than the strategies required when everyone is thinking on this same level.

A

So that's part of why I'm doing this Eden strategy master class today to share kind of my thoughts on even strategy, how I, how I see the game being played, how I think the game should be played area.

AD

Yeah go ahead, Barry.

S

No I I've already spoken go ahead. Please.

AD

Yeah the issue of uh considering considering eating as a game and a self-appointing the role of elevating the strategy of maccaabalism in Eden, who will be all right if the same person belonging to EOS Nation didn't have the exact opposite, a position when dealing with pomelo. For example, there were a lot of people last season in pomelo that were unqualified because they also invited friends to donate to their pomelo. They they were.

AD

Those were friends that didn't know much about the Aeros ecosystem, but still they friends that made Their donation and those people were unqualified and they were unqualified by EOS nation and what by the pomelo team, which, as far as I know, you are part of so I'm calling here, your hypocrisy of taking one position uh and eating and taking the exact opposite position regarding pomelo and the one thing that concerns me here is that you are part of the people that is at this moment.

AD

Deciding who is gonna be accept accepted as a Grant application or receiver for pomelo and who is not going to be part of that, and really here, with all my tranquility and in front of everyone. I call your hypocrisy of taking yourself the the role of self-appointing us. If you were some kind of superior Soul, the role of elevating the unscrupulousness of the Iran election game.

A

um Fair enough I respect your your opinion, I'm, not part of the team that decides if a pomelo public good is a public good or not. I'm, not part of the team that analyzes disciple defense but I understand that I am part of the team I'm out there, marketing promoting hosting positions Etc so that that's fair um I'm not going to go into.

A

You know pomelo topics right now other than saying the pomelo team does the best I believe that the pomelo team tries, as best they can to prevent cyber attacks on pomelo, I'll, okay, so I'm just gonna leave that there um in on Eden the things that I did are not specifically prohibited in the rules of Eden. Unlike some of these attacks, going on on pomelo are specifically explicitly prohibited in the rules.

A

So if some of the behaviors that I exhibited in this election uh are not welcomed by the majority of the Eden Community very possible, let's codify that in the Eden bylaws, let's have explicit rules for induction. Let's, let's write it out very explicitly so that the next time someone does something like I did that it can be clearly. Yes, this is allowed or no.

A

This is not allowed, because if you have unenforceable rules or if you have Unwritten rules that you hope everyone will follow, that works when the system is small and when the stakes are low, but I want to know, what's going to happen to Eden when the stakes are extremely high and when the strengths are extremely high. These Unwritten rules are not going to be followed by all players and so I think we need much more explicit rules. You know that's going to allow or prohibit all sorts of all sorts of behaviors.

P

You could have made that happen, Stefan by being a contributing, Eden member and making that happen without actually breaking it, and that's the part that I think is kind of unexcusable. You've gone out of your way to attack something you've wasted a bunch of time, a bunch of other people. You could have just been collaborative and made the suggestions to add the rules to fix this attack that you clearly saw possible. Instead, you and others chose to attack it explicitly.

A

Helios Chief delegates to change the rules of the game before the next election I.

P

Had you try, did you ever reach out to us because we're not the only ones on it? There's other.

A

People on that Chief delegate, it would have been impossible. It's it could have been possible. That could have been a way. I did not choose that way and and I fully take full responsibility for that. um So.

U

Clarification for clarification. What was the timeline on the 500 000 EOS and the um smart proxy being announced.

P

U

P

500 000 NEOS came on December 7th. The smart proxy was talked about well in advance of that, but really was announced. I think around the 20th or 22nd of December is when the light paper came out.

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AE

Can I can I put it in here, there's no hand raise on Discord. Yes,.

D

Yes, get in there Julie.

AE

So I feel like this will be a valuable thing to extend, maybe to another scheduled time. Maybe um are you still doing on the 18th the earlier fireside chat.

A

No, so that's something I wanted to mention earlier, so that idea has been scrapped. I, don't think it works for the majority of the community we're going to keep these fire sides at this.

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A

Do want to make this content more available to uh other, like other communities, so we are working on ways of making that happen, but we're not going to change we're not going to with the times I think it works for a majority of people. So we're going to.

AE

Stick with that.

A

AE

Yeah, so I only brought that up, because all these debates, because of the time um the person that actually came up with the idea over a year ago, um was never available because he's in Seoul, Korea, right and and so he's probably maybe about to wake up, but that's Han and everybody that was um part of his Eden election where he became a chief delegate.

AE

They they heard about his idea, maybe for the first time it in that that last election I don't know if that was one or two elections ago, but it was that was some time ago and and he had even come up with the idea a long time ago, as you noted um I forget what it was called, the voter proxy you, you coined the term right or whatever it initially was, but that was yeah uh yeah, but that was like the original concept was just and I, don't necessarily agree with some of the things even that persist with the concept today was, as you noted, he he wants to get rid of, uh or expose boat trading um and not remove voter Rewards the, but the the primary thing is: is he's never available to talk and stick up for his idea?

AE

It's not it wasn't Chris Chris, Barnes or Helios, or block ones idea and I only and I'm not fighting for it or not fighting for it. But it's just he's never here to talk about his his ass baby, which is unfortunate yeah. So so everyone in the Western Community is like ah this Chris Barnes Eden, smart proxy. You know somehow attack on EOS, but it's it was actually. The idea was handed in the direction of Eden, because people were were critiquing.

AE

The original idea, which was oh, this is Han's idea to somehow get his um standby producer into a 21 position and paid better, and so he said: okay, well I'll. How do we diversify that? Let's what other options do we have? And so we started looking at Eden and then he thought well.

AE

If we can, if Eden grows, then maybe that's the way to hand over management of the proxy, and so those are kind of the really the origins of of the smart, proxy and I think it's really unfortunate almost a disservice to his effort on the on the whole plan, uh because he's never available for these Fireside Chats, but I.

A

Maybe next time in the chat you know I disagree with many of Han's ideas over the years. I respect him as a person I think he has honorable intentions. You know I really think Han is doing the best he can to bring the most value he can to the EOS Community I respect him for that. I think it's misguided in some places.

A

I think he's wrong in some places, but you know I, don't think you know he's uh he's evil, but maybe he was lured in by Helios and block one's massive stake in order to collaborate with.

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A

In order to advance his agenda, you know not.

C

Enough malicious.

A

Not not for malicious reasons, but just because he sees this as a way to gain more stake behind his vision.

AE

Right, yeah, valid um good speculation. There's that's fair point, I I! Think for the sake of everyone on the call. That's wanting to do anything but talk about this, maybe next time uh next Wednesday, if I'm in town, I'd, I'd love to try and fill in some of the gaps, because I have a a pretty solid view about everything um going on behind this, mainly because my only my only personal directive for years, if anyone has seen my name, it um is- is sock puppets I, don't particularly care about about boat trading.

AE

I do wish it were more public, so people didn't have to send money to a private account on an exchange to participate, but but I would love on-chain mechanisms for that. I'd love, a public vote exchange that'd be awesome, you know, uh but anyways, perhaps next time we can schedule a time where I can say: here's here's what's going on and I'll I don't have any personal qualms.

AE

It's part of why my pseudonym is why I stick with it and why I'm so rigid as far as it it does allow me to kind of speak freely and openly, um and so I I'd love to give my perspective on it next time,.

A

Yeah, absolutely anytime, uh you want to come on Fireside. You want us to block off some time for you to share your thoughts. Absolutely anytime. You've been one of the top contributors in EOS since the very start and I learned something every time you speak. So definitely all for.

AE

That to give to give a heads up or a tldr I, don't have any personal stake in its success or failure so I if it fails or if it goes nowhere. It does not impact me whatsoever and I I keep doing what I'm doing every day. So.

A

It's to give a bit of context for people I, don't think you mentioned it, but uh Chris Barnes was removed himself from the owner permission of that uh yasmar proxy and he was replaced by Joe Louis in case some of you uh weren't aware and didn't read thousands of messages on this topic correct.

A

E

Anyways I think that.

A

Was great and when I saw that my trust in that proxy group, you know increased for.

AE

Sure another another tidbit before I shut up is it. It doesn't need to impact inflation, it doesn't need to have system Rewards or any hard things coded in contracts anywhere anywhere in the near term. I mean obviously I. Think Aaron and all the debates in telegram have pointed out quite clearly and honestly. I was going to come in and and congratulate you.

AE

I I take a different perspective and say Eden needed to get attacked in the open um Nathan outlined this I was hoping he was available, but I don't want him to step away from his his child. Nathan outlined this exact play a month before the election and, and so it is. It is something that needed to occur and I think the fact that it did happen in a live election.

AE

It makes them um it all the more poignant that we need to evolve it and it it needs a lot of time and growth and evaluation and.

A

It wasn't performed by someone with malicious intent against Eden right. It was performed by someone who's been in the community for a long time. You know, and hopefully you guys recognize that that my intent was not malicious and then my intent was to strengthen Eden, actually was not to attack to weaken it. It was actually to strengthen it.

S

S

Of EOS is what you're saying.

A

Yes right um all right: let's keep going with some of my other points so when, in.

N

The name stuff we need I need to break the ice here and share something it's from the members group of Eden and I thought. It was hilarious and I gotta run to get dinner soon, so I want to drop it. Luca said Luke Eric. By the way, I am most jelly. That's Steph's friends care enough to join Eden and support him and Aaron from Gray Mass just replied that his own team at greymass wouldn't even join Eden for an election to support him so Props to you.

N

If you, however, you were able to get your friends to do this. um Congratulations on that, um but I have no other comments on the rest of it. I need to go.

A

Yeah cool thanks thanks, Zach um yeah, I pleaded with them and I and I tried to make it make them understand how important I thought this was, and you know I guess: I've brought enough value to them in their life previously that they felt uh okay to invest. You know a couple hours for me uh for this election and for Eden these people, who knew nothing about eating invested their time in order to help me strengthen Eden, so so their their.

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S

You just mind-blowing.

A

Mind-Blowing, isn't it Perry you're learning so much today your mind is blown I.

S

Love it I feel, like I, feel, like I'm on Twitter files.

A

That would have been a great name for this. The Eden files yes eat an optimal strategy. Maybe was not the greatest branding I think Eden files would have been better all right back back to the Eden, optimal strategy or the EOS of it all if you wish. So when there's an Eden election that has one issue that is much more important than the rest. The best strategy to promote your mission and vision on the issue is not to have great consensus, building skills, I'm, sorry guys, but that's not what determines the outcome?

A

What determines the outcome is if you outnumber your competitors, so I'm I've had random math, but it's easy to see that if there's a side that has four times more people showing up to the election right and when we're in rooms of five, then clearly that side is going to potentially sweep the election, which makes sense, in my opinion, if there's 80 percent of an electorate that believes a certain thing, that view should come out as a winner in that election. So that's not that's, not bad! That's just basic game theory of Eden.

A

Is that number one. It's a numbers game get as many people that agree with your vision and Mission into the game as possible. That's what gives you the best chance to win if both sides are equal, however, then the only thing that matters is consensus building and that's when Eden really really shines and the magic of Eden can be experienced.

A

If there's even representation on a bunch of issues, then it's really okay, who are the best consensus builders in that room and then that's the only thing that matters, but if there's more electors that show up on one side or another, that's the more important uh thing right, so kind of eat in first principles,.

P

Okay, Stefan just something on that I think you're, 100 accurate in this statement and I think this is something that for those of us who have been around from the very beginning of the origin of Eden, there was this idea of inviting people you trusted, for example, and there was this, and it was arguably a very high bar, like some of you trust, with the keys to your wallet, which is insane or then I heard another joking one was like people you'd, let babysit your kids, that's a high bar right, that's hard and the and the other I think part of why that borrow is set.

P

So high, was this idea of having a culture and enculturating something that the community is really striving towards? It's like a deliberate community of aligned intention and what you're talking about is the opposite, you're talking and it's fine, because it's not the rules, don't Define! This aligned. Intention to the point we've heard from many people that the vision and the mission of Eden is too loose. We don't even know what the hell we're doing. So it's totally accurate, so I think that's I.

P

Think a key thing we're learning from this- is that if communities like this are to be formed, they need to be far more deliberate about what they're here to do and why people join, and why? Why they're there to participate versus your point here that you just flood it with as many people who will agree with you, as you can, whether you pay them from some Fiverr Contracting pay them all.

P

Five bucks to show up and flutter with 100 people or 500 people or whatever that's part of the rules and it's all fair game and I. Think that's an interesting outcome to see that.

A

So another point on that: right: I, don't know exactly how the the permission structure works for Eden and the treasury or whatever, but from some discussions I've seen is like I think the Eden Chief delegates have full access to the entire treasury, basically they're the owner keys of that treasury. I, don't know if that's accurate or not active.

P

Key yeah they have the active key so.

A

They could just haha got you guys, take all the money game over right. Yes, yes, that's right! Okay, so there was 500 000 on the line for this election. There was a hundred what 25 people who showed up. If someone got 300 people in here, you know and kind of just flooded the system. The system had no way of stopping that before the election. They would have won all the seats and they could have just taken all the money and ran how much does it cost you to get 300 people into the system?

A

Let's say you pay them, what a hundred bucks each that's three hundred thousand, so you invest 300 000 you overtake Eden and you win 500 000 from it game over the ones done. Treasury drain attacker wins two hundred thousand dollars. It's.

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P

One defense, though I'll just add the one defense, and that is the active Keys, currently are not automatically transferred to the next set of Chief delegates. It's a manual process. So if it was a clear attack like that, then there's a good chance that hopefully the current CDs are somewhat real and valid and they won't hand it over. So.

A

Okay, so the keys do need to so the currency. These need.

T

To voluntarily.

A

Give up their power yeah, there's a handoff right.

Y

A

I think that's better than an automatic system that could just be game over, like you know, like I just said, um okay, cool.

U

If I can chime in real, quick um I think what the uh the coordination of the level ones and um like efforts like I was thinking of a sponsored productivity meetings, um but for all Eden members getting more people involved um outside of the election to show them. That there's tangible uh reasons for being here. The spts and whatnot will.

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U

More closely to try and um I overtake the system and the way you described, and it could be valued that whatever the treasury is um that's how much we're going to extend the value of these members makes sense.

A

Not sure I followed 100 I got distracted by some chat.

A

um One of one of my points actually uh that I'm I was going to address later but might as well jump into it now is that the cost to enter Eden is crazy, low right now right. It's like three bucks. Okay, the prize pool available in election 450 000, so it for this past election. The treasury, divided by entry fee ratio, was one hundred fifty thousand absolutely insane, and that should never be the case again.

A

So I think that the entry fee needs to be uh variable and it needs to be based on how much treasury is currently available. So, as the treasury goes down, the entry fee goes down as it goes up. The entry fee goes up, I, don't know exactly how much I don't know exactly what that treasury to membership ratio needs to be, but I think that's something that needs to be addressed. uh You know as soon as possible.

U

I was taking more of a carrot approach where um existing members find it more valuable um to have their independence a it's a more complicated solution, but um it's something to think about. Just being a member gives you enough, rewards that you wouldn't want to uh sell it or sell your vote.

S

Well, I I need to say that the idea of of an ambush crossed my mind uh as.

U

A possible I'm, sorry should I continue, I mean um it's probably an.

AC

Involving process.

U

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A

It's not sure what's going on there, but let me move on to my next point so when the cost is low to join Eden, when that ratio is extremely high, it's it's a great strategy to get as many people as you can in. While that cost is low and then once you have a lot of people in you want to increase the cost of of joining.

A

You want to increase, friction as much as possible to make it harder for new players to join after you've gotten a lot of people in you know when the cost was low, which is, admittedly exactly what I'm proposing what I did and what I'm proposing, not because I'm malicious. Just because this is the obvious Eden, optimal strategy that flows from the rules that have been established.

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S

I think you're making complete sense, and it's in the sense that, yes, it is attackable and so I asked myself. Why didn't I attack it? That way, and the answer I give to myself is because it's wrong: it's not right. It's not what I agreed to do to the people that I joined this group club and the fact hang on and the fact that it came from the enf. The people who who currently hold the power and are responsible for our trust, hold our trust.

S

It came from them, I think it's a it's an actual indictment of the enf and those people. You say you did it independently, but apparently not apparently Nathan was involved, so this is actually uh an attack of the uh of representing civilization.

M

No I I disagree with that that I'm not sure why you're making that inference. That has nothing to do with dnf and I'm, not sure why you're, even bringing Nathan into the mix.

P

Foreign because people like to speculate on all sorts of things that maybe aren't truthful it sucks right.

M

Or that's: that's: okay. I.

S

Didn't bring up Nathan somebody else.

N

No no I I could speak to it. So I, I, myself, Nathan, James and Brandon Lovejoy inducted Jen uh I was pretty open about the fact that I was doing uh Eden inductions during the hours of this fireside chat during the Christmas holidays, because we weren't doing them so Steph asked if we could induct his friend. I didn't see an issue with that. If any of you guys would have messaged me and said my friend wants to join Eden I can't do the induction. Could you induct them?

N

I would have said yes so and I I'm, the one that pointed that out to everyone about the inductors, because I think Chris inducted someone and was getting for it and I just pointed out that hey like me, Nathan and Brandon inducted this other person that everyone's kind of up in arms about.

A

N

So that's where it's coming from.

A

I, don't understand how Jen is became a celebrity. uh She really appreciated the message that Edgar posted the next day. She was kind of worried at the reaction, seeing all the chatter in the Eden Community uh after you know the election, uh but that message from Edgar you know really reassured her and, and so that was really nice, so definitely want to uh thank Edgar for that.

A

um Also, if we could not docs my other friend proxies by sharing their names, all over I'd appreciate it I understand it's not against the rules and the videos are out there or will soon be out there for those that are missing and everyone can go see what their names of my friend proxies were I.

A

Just don't think it brings really benefit to anyone and if we're gonna, you know start trying to dox people in real life based on their Eden names, then that's not really welcoming to new people, for example, redkid I think uh had some people trying to find out his real name or whatever I didn't follow that whole drama, but I just think that that's a bad strategy, if we want to you, know, get more more people into Eden.

S

At the very minimum we we need a an infiltrators list based on their EOS account. That's the very minimum.

A

You can you can go out and do that research and compile those EOS account names absolutely everything's on the blockchain everything's I.

S

I thought this.

S

If it was, and if it was not an attack, then that list should be forthcoming.

D

All right, I respect your opinion.

P

In terms of this just the idea, because I know someone said it's not an attack like it's, so language can be what it means and to each their own. uh One thing is interesting and I encourage everyone here to take the time to do it, uh throw on some headphones and just listen. You don't have to watch but listen to all of the different rooms.

P

I think it's really Illuminating to hear how certain people, those are quite a few people who said I, knew I have nothing here, but I have one election question and it's about the proxy. So the idea that all these disparate individuals just came into it with the same core concern is uh I mean if it sounds coordinated, maybe it's not. Maybe it's not. They just all watch the same stuff and whatever.

D

A

Board the videos.

P

Are awesome? The videos are awesome.

A

I onboarded a ton of EOS community members, people that I consider friends, I've, never met in real life, I, don't know their real names, I've seen them in the chat with private message. Together, we've talked: we've worked on projects, Etc I onboarded, a ton of these EOS community members. They were, they, you know, were aligned with my mission and vision and they wanted to make their voice heard because they also fundamentally disagreed with a white listed inflation receiving proxy and they thought that that issue.

A

That issue was what made them take the trouble of doxing themselves so to speak and joining even to place their votes. um It was coordinated as in because it was a response from many different EOS community members to the Eden proxy proposal. So it's more of a response than coordinated. Although I mean I was out there campaigning I didn't none of this should be a surprise. I was very vocal and open. You know that about the things that I'm sharing today, you know in the weeks leading up to the election.

A

So doing opposition research, 100 expected compiling spreadsheets of electorates and noting down positions. 100 expected group chats watching And discussing the election in progress, 100 expected PMS between electors in the same rooms and in different rooms, coordinating on various sharing their research 100 to be expected. If you expect people not to do these things within the framework of Eden right now, you will be disappointed every single election because, as the rules stand as the system is built, it is obvious that this is the behavior that the system will be trending towards.

A

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S

Biggest my biggest takeaway is that I think you're making the case for Dan Larimer and broccoli and I and I deeply. Thank you for that. That is, that is actually huge. That's what you've done you're.

A

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D

Right, nothing.

AC

Nothing to do with that, but.

A

Final piece of strategy now this may be even more controversial than everything I've said so far- should probably come with a trigger warning for blockchain enthusiasts, but for my friend proxies at least one of those transactions that is required to either create an account in Eden or to vote in the election. I was the one that clicked the button. Not them I had their full approval to click that button. They asked me to help them through that process.

A

That has a lot of friction and for at least one of those transactions, I was the one that clicked the button. So, in my opinion, if it's one transaction or all the transactions, it's actually the same. Is this something that is allowed or is this something that is not allowed so I know a lot of you are going to have very strong opinions on this and all all the rest of the things that I've just said.

A

So what I'm going to propose is I'm going to start a claim to remove myself from the Eden community, so you need to put up a bounty I'm going to put up the Bounty. You need to put the defender needs to put up a bounty I'm going to put up that Bounty as well, and we're gonna have five randomly chosen layer, one delegates that can make a judgment call on if my actions were malicious or not or if they want to see me removed from the community for violating what they believe is the eating.

A

Community I'm gonna go even one step further and say that I'm not only going to do this this election, but I'm going to do it after the next election as well.

A

So if you're, outraged by everything that I've said, I encourage you get as many people as possible into the election win a bunch of delegates and tell them if you can ban Stefan from Eden, you ban him from Eden and- uh and that is totally fair, that's totally within the rules of the game and we get to test out the remove member claim process at the same time.

A

So it's throwing that out there I'll, let you know the layer. One delegates decide my faith and to be clear: I love the Eden game. It mixes human behavioral. You know it makes a psychology, behavioral economics, EOS, Community, blockchain, stuff block one Helios EOS community members. It it strategy it matches. So many of the things that I'm super interested in and I think I'm a great competitor in the game of Eden I want I hope, I get to continue to compete in the game of Eden I.

A

Think I can bring a lot of value to Eden by competing as hard as I can, with my extremely strategy, focused brain that I cannot turn off even if I wanted to. um But if, if, if the you know, the community feels that this is wrong. What I did was wrong, then I will give them an opportunity to remove me from the system and I will uh respect that decision and no hard feelings.

A

uh Get me out of the system because I understand a lot of these things goes against. What you guys think Eden is all about. I have a different vision for what I think Eden is all about, and you know that I think. That's that's fine.

P

Just so, you know Stefan, because your brain's always thinking strategy, you can just re-enter once you get kicked out. So there's no rule that says once you're removed. You can't just join right back the next day, so uh there you go, go ahead and try it and just come right back.

D

AC

By the way, I think it's totally stupid and sorry to say it's not about to say stupid against you or nothing about that. But I speak about the process. When you leave a community, you leave this community. You don't go back again and be inducted. Sorry, because it's all about it's all about come I, say: let me speak. I say what I think I mean when you are committed to do something you go until the end and if you cannot afford you leave, but you don't come back. Sorry, that's my opinion.

P

We're strict to rules right rules say that you there's nothing saying that once you've been kicked out, you can't come back. It's not there. I.

A

Think you can, it should be in the rules then, but I'm gonna make this pledge right now that if I do get kicked out this election or next I will not come back uh after and uh yeah. That's that's fine by me all right. Just a couple more things on my on my list here.

A

What kind of proxy would I like to see so I'm going I'd like to see what I will call the true Eden proxy, which has no unverifiable and unenforceable whitelist where Eden elect members are able to vote for any BPS they want, um according to the process that the Eden smart proxy suggested. You know, only people who show up to elections can vote people who get elected, get more voting weight. I. Think that's fantastic I, just don't agree with limiting the choice of Eden members to a a white list.

A

Now I understand that if uh the EOS more proxy wants to implement a white list on their proxy, that's totally fine. Every proxy has a different Vision. Every proxy has a white list so to speak, whether it's public, uh private or whatever, and that's totally fine and there's nothing. Stopping uh Helios block one Bloomer, whoever else to accumulate, let's say: 150 million. The awesome stake, stake it to the EOS, smart proxy and the EOS smart proxy, allowing Eden members to vote on those BPS, the there's nothing.

A

We can do to stop that by the next election that might be what's going on. Is that likely I? Don't think so? But it's a possibility right. So whether we want to or not the next election may be extremely high stakes. It could be, it may be not, but there's we can't really choose to to refuse that.

A

We can't refuse, for uh you know someone to build such a proxy and allow our members to vote, and if our members are able to control 150 million EOS and stake, you can be damn sure that everyone's gonna go on that portal and and vote for the BPS that they want right.

A

So that brings me to another Point actually, is that if Eden is highly successful, attracts huge stake, you know through uh whatever proxy, then um you know, there's going to be significant pressure on Eden members to sell those votes to block producers in exchange for voter rewards. So if you're, an elected delegate, you've got good influence on 150 million yachts in stake or whatever you can be.

A

Damn sure that BPS are going to be reaching out to you asking you to vote for them and how would Eden stop you know backdoor deals or voter rewards to be distributed in that way. I don't have a good answer for that. Actually, unfortunately, but I think it's something that we need to to consider and to take into consideration. Yeah.

P

Just to throw at the solution that the smart proxy came up with for that, the idea is that inflation that BPS receive- that is what is not going to be, hopefully used to buy votes, because that is where the greatest scrutiny and level of inspection will take place. So the whitelisters will be presenting all the data from the VPS to demonstrate that they're, using their received inflation in a way that benefits the network, so they could still buy votes in the back door with other funds. They've got a bank account.

P

They can use that money that we can never stop that. But what we were attempting to do and we'll continue to attempt to do is demonstrate that BPS are using their inflation pay for the benefit of the ecosystem.

A

Okay, so so you would have no problems, then, with uh even delegate selling their votes, because really they can only vote for that white listed list of BPS. Who are all you know equally good or whatever? So it's not actually a problem to for delegates. It's.

P

A problem to get caught, it is part of the Pledge, so the pledge of BP makes- and you know, Scouts Honor. You know two fingers in the air hand over the heart that they won't buy votes. So if they do in fact, are bribing delegates or chief delegates to give them a higher ranking in the proxy and it gets found out well then they get removed. So it's a it's a game of cat and mouse and they get to play the game if they want.

A

So delegates wouldn't be doing anything wrong, but the BPS would- and you would hope that the delegates would report this if they get such an offer. So it'd actually be kind of very dangerous for a block producer to reach out to delegate with that kind of offer all right, not bad. That's.

P

That's the idea yeah exactly so they could take a risk and reach out and if they get a delegate, who's got high integrity, then they'd rat them out and they'd be off the list. So it's a game of risk reward on that. um But as.

A

We said anybody would analyze if that screenshot is legit or if it's photoshopped or if that communication is real or fake or whatever the.

P

Whitelisters see this is where I really there's so much misinformation and misunderstanding, not misinformation, misunderstanding the whitelisters have no Authority other than to really their main purpose is to gather the information from the Block producers and present it to everyone else to review. Everyone else becomes the auditor, the whitelisters don't have that power, the only sensitive power they have- and this has come up numerous times- is the whitelisters who are appointed by the Ian Chief delegates, not actually delegates themselves. uh They can add and remove BPS from the white list. That's an attack Vector.

P

However, there's really good ways to circumvent that attack, vector by simply putting time limits or Gates or other and give the owner keys to the top 21 in case there's an attack. So the whitelisters really have very little ability to capture and control the proxy. Nor do they have the ability to just unilaterally say: hey you're, a lying VP, we're kicking you, it's no here's! The information we've received. Everyone in the community can look at it.

P

We make a communal decision, ideally from this Collective group of Eden communities that are all aligned in a particular vision and purpose which it's clear to me. This current Eden is likely not going to be the one eat and that even has anything to do with this proxy. That's the irony of all this, like all of this, in my mind, is being so involved with the proxy. The current Genesis Eden is not the one.

P

That's going to have this ability I think we need to create other Edens that are more purpose-built to care about governance and care about block producers, not in Eden, where you can pay people on Fiverr to join or ask all your friends to control their wallet for them to participate in an election, and then you control multiple members who all vote for VPS. It's just too easy, this one's obviously too flawed. If it can be fixed great but I, don't see it happening.

A

All right so on that note, here's some changes to the rules that I think would Harden the system, so the Way That We, join an election I think is not conducive to actually discussing our our ideas and with with the Restriction of how you have to be in need in 24 hours before kind of makes it that you know.

A

If there are two sides, then you don't want to reveal your strategy too early, because then it could motivate the other side to add more to their side right, so you're kind of forced to stay quiet until the very end. Until the registration is closed, then you can really start to share your strategy, Etc, so I think maybe an option could be that you know you have to Signal your interest to join an election at least one month before the election.

A

So that means that you can't just induct new members at the last minute to join an election. Even members have to be in at least one month before, and then at least one week before you have to confirm your presence, so you have to be. You have to single interest. First and then at least one week before you confirm your presence and then you're in and then there also has to be a penalty.

A

If you confirm your presence and then don't show up so Brock actually did this so Brock confirmed his presence last minute, which I mean we can also talk about the fact that Brock is the one that funded Eden from 500k kind of, or was part of that and now he's running in Eden and there's kind of some conflicts of interest there, but ignoring that you know he signed up for the election. He didn't show up.

A

That means that his room did not have the same amount of people as the other room, so I think confirming your presence and not showing up should have a penalty. Somehow Maybe three strikes are out for two years: I, don't know, but I think it's something we need. We we need to uh to talk about and to consider um you know voting transactions. Maybe we want a rule that you cannot have anyone else voting for you on chain.

A

You know the Eden member has to be the one that clicks the button to vote, but then again, how can we detect this? If we can't detect this, then maybe it shouldn't be a rule, because if it's a rule that is unenforceable and undetectable, then only cheaters gain from this rule.

A

um You know: are you guys tracking IPS on the Eden portal? Can you guys go and look at my friend proxies and their votes and whatever can you see a pattern of ips that may indicate that one person was controlling many uh many accounts. I have no idea, but if we want to make a rule that says that you're, the one that has to click the button on your device to sign up to Eden and to vote, then these are things that need to be.

A

You know available on the back end our CDs in charge of this. Do we hire an external organization? I have no idea, but you know so something that that we need to think about. The induction process needs to be obviously much clearer, clear elements that need to be included in every induction ceremony. Clear expectations on who can pay membership fees right am I allowed to send the three EOS to my friend's account and have that pay for the fee.

A

I think so it's not written if it's illegal or not I think that should be cleared up. Is there an annual fee that should be paid for E for members to stay? Maybe that annual fee is based on the treasury? Maybe it's not an annual fee, maybe it's an election fee, but then it's like. Do you want to make people pay to show up to the election? No, we want more people in the election. So I don't know.

A

You know these are not fully fully thought out ideas, kind of just what I've the ideas I have so far and I think are good topics to discuss um all right, so that kind of covers a lot of what I wanted to talk about. I've got an Eden wish list that I'm going to quickly go over.

A

um You know preventing election results from being ratified if an attack took place. uh uh Chris Barnes addressed that point earlier. You know the CDs do need to hand over power, so I think that's good right now, I'd love to see more data, visualizations more dashboards.

A

um You know an electorate presence dashboard, a candidate preferences dashboard. uh What do candidates agree with what they?

A

What do they not agree with um candidate positions table where candidates can go on chain and say I am for the ER smart proxy I am against the smart proxy I am for this vision of Ian, Eden or I'm against I would love to have a dashboard with all of the votes from all the candidates readily available, so that when I get into an election room, I can quickly reference that that dashboard and I can see on Shane what the members have by group that are running for election.

A

What their position is on many things, so I think explaining our positions in the election room, not not a great use of time. I think all of that should be done prior to the elections and then, when you get into an election room, you're focused on consensus, building or and or you know, getting concessions from the leading candidate right. So in my room, for example, I was very upfront and honest right at the start.

A

Hey guys Jen is my friend proxy she's very likely going to vote for me if you're in a room of five and you need four people to vote for someone to advance and you've got a block of two people claiming from the start, hey we're very likely voting for this one person. It's probably not a good idea to spend 30 minutes sharing the other three members platform. Instead, those members, in my opinion, according to Eden optimal strategy, should be trying to get concessions from the current leader is like Hey.

A

We're gonna block you from advancing as well Steph. But if you include these these items in your election promises, then you could read consensus and move on, and so there's meta strategy, as well involved with blocking a room right. So in this election I had four friend proxies. There's 125 people I had a 20 chance of being in the same room as a friend, proxy I.

A

Think I, don't know not a math wizard but I think that's the numbers right when I saw my room and I saw that I had a friend proxy in my room, I was like oh my God. This is gonna, get crazy and I knew it would cause drama and I knew all of this would you know, make people lose their minds, um but my point was to illustrate the concept of a friend proxy. Hey is that is that legit or not? Is that a concept we want to allow or not? Are people allowed to?

A

You know campaign on hey I'm proxying, my campaign to this person, and this is their their campaign and that's what I'm supporting right? Is that allowed or not? That's kind of what I wanted to highlight here, um also the chance that you know I get a friend proxy in my own room, then we can absolutely block anyone from advancing. So I was like Hey I want to vote I'm not going to I want to vote for myself, I'm not going to change my vote. My friend proxy is very likely going to vote for me.

A

You know at this point we should have been talking about concessions, not pitching our pitches and that's kind of an issue with people not really understanding Eden optimal strategy, so hopefully, next next election, when there are blocks of Voters that are evident, perhaps through a dashboard, perhaps through just hey guys, we're both aligned here we're going to be voting for this person, then you need to start making in sessions and talking more about that stuff.

A

So actually that's the one regret that I have for my room is that when I said that Jen would very likely voting for me, I should have continued with it's probably best that you guys focus on getting concessions from me because I'm for sure not voting for anyone else. Now, if you don't believe me and you're, like nah I, think I can convince Steph to change his vote. That's legit and you can try that I didn't change.

A

My vote then, and I promise you if I say this in a future room I'm not going to change my vote then either and I am willing to block advancement in that, in that case, I'm willing to me not get elected but you're not going to get elected either. So hopefully this becomes known and when I'm in a room and if I have someone that supports me, then the people will know okay, yeah Steph is either going to block this or move on.

A

So let's get concessions from Steph so that he also works on the projects or you know that I'm aligned with um what else do I have on my wish list.

F

Isn't that isn't that extortion, though I mean essentially like, if you're putting people in a position like where they have to negotiate with you or you're gonna? You know, then it's just like well, then then everyone else is incentivized to just block the room because they wouldn't want. They wouldn't want your behavior to move forward either.

D

F

Know what I mean so yeah.

D

F

So, like the presence of one group saying like either Advance, you know adopt my issues or I'm going to block the group, basically incentivizes everyone else to say with fine, then no one goes because I mean, but you could approach it a different way. Go ahead.

A

And, in my opinion, that's not a bad outcome for Eden, because the other delegates now get my resources. So it's not like I'm blocking funding.

A

It's not like I'm blocking projects from advancing there's just that the other rooms are going to get a greater share of the treasury, and that's not bad for eating this I'm not blocking projects from advancing I'm, not blocking friends from being distributed, they're just allocated in a different way and maybe eventually I get tired of never moving on and always having my room, be blocked and then I change my strategy or uh yeah.

A

Who knows exactly how this could play out, but I can guarantee you that you know if I tell you I'm gonna vote for myself and I'm not going to change my vote yeah, you can try, but it's very very likely to be unsuccessful and that's the rules of the game as the system is designed right now. It is designed to allow this strategy right and if we don't want the strategy, we need to change the rules.

F

I mean I just think it's a losing strategy, but it's strategy like.

E

A

Yeah yeah very, very possible, very possible. Another thing: I think Eden needs is uh Eden, reserves account and then Eden treasury account right. So when there's a new donation, it goes into the reserves and is not impacting the current distribution to current uh delegates, and maybe what we can do is we can Target for a certain dollar amount hey. If the treasury is between 500 000 and 2 million dollars, then level one delegates are gonna, get a thousand dollars a month and level.

A

Two delegates are gonna, get five thousand dollars a month or whatever right so, and we can have a flow from the reserves into the treasury, which would kind of maintain the treasury at a certain level which would maintain the payouts to delegates at a certain level which would allow everyone to be more prepared and be able to present more realistic pitches.

A

When you know hey, if I'm level, one I've got a thousand dollars a month to work with hey if I'm level, two I've got five thousand, and if that is constant election over election, then I think that brings more stability to the system, allows us to plan our finances better. It just removes uncertainty and then maybe it's like okay. If the treasury goes above 2 million, then we increase the payouts.

A

You know 2 000 a month, 10 000 a month whatever it is, those no whatever those numbers are I, don't know, but I think that's pretty important would allow donors to donate without actually changing the impact of past elections without everyone. Knowing so another point that I want to bring up actually on. That note is that you know Chris Barnes mentioned in his post uh that he shared the day before the election that in August late August.

A

He knew about this potential large donation right, but he didn't tell anyone, and so not many people showed up to the uh October election because I, for example, I thought the treasury was only going to be I, don't know 80, 000 or whatever, but Chris Barnes knew that actually there's a good chance that the treasury is going to be 500, 000, so I think Chris should have let the community know that there was a potential donation coming for the next term to let the community know what the stakes of the election actually were now I know, there's great reasons why you would not share that the donor doesn't want you to their their legal reasons.

A

The lawyers told me you can't do this, whatever I I'm sure there's a ton of reasons, but you know I, don't think it's fair to the community to go into the election, knowing that there's a huge payout for that election result, but you're the only one that knows right, so the the CDs reduced, the distribution percentage to like 11 I think that's fairly reasonable. So it turns out that you know uh the delegates of this cycle are going to get about the same amount of EOS as the delegates of the last cycle got that's great.

A

However, the effort required to get elected last cycle. You know there was much less. There were fewer participants, so it's much easier to get elected that last cycle uh than than this one so I think that's kind of kind of not not not the greatest for, for the even community.

A

All right, I think that's it. I think I went through all my notes. Thanks for staying for my TED Talk happy to answer any questions. I'm not going to read the chat, 120 messages, but if you got message, oh no wait. I've got questions from the community that I asked uh to get.

C

uh With a Google form.

A

So I'm gonna go over those questions. um Some of them are mean some of them are funny. Some of them are excellent questions. Let's, let's do it so Anonymous wrote If a Court decides what B1 did to the EOS Community wasn't illegal. Would you still argue it was wrong. Yes, you've said before that, inviting last minute supporters to join the Eden election solely to vote, for you doesn't go against any bylaws correct.

A

Do you consider your actions to be wrong, but in accordance to the bylaws, no I consider my actions to be right and in according to the bylaws that was question one question two from MOSI DS: he actually had great points and great questions. I. Think most of these were addressed in the comments that I just did. What did you learn?

A

I think I shared that what is your assessment of the Eden on EOS system right now, I think it's a great system I think it's exciting I think it's great for the EOS Community I can't wait for the next election, but if suddenly the stakes for the elections are extremely high, I don't think the system can resist. The stress that that would put on it as it stands right now. How or what do you plan to fix any perceived holes?

A

I think I went through that and how do you plan to restore or undo any damage to the Eden Community suffered from my test or, if you feel there is any I, don't feel there was any damage suffered by Eden I. Think I actually brought a ton of benefit to Eden through my actions, but what I'm gonna do like I said, is I'm going to to start a membership removal claim on myself and let the layered ones delegates of this term and the next term. You know, decide my faith all right.

A

This one from Abel uh was not respectful, but has a hilarious comment in it. So I'm gonna read it for everyone does Stefan feel good when he goes out of his way to hurt people I don't go out of my way to Arab people. Does it bring him pleasure to on purpose harm others and Bully them I?

A

Don't think that's what I'm doing does he believe in karma I used to believe in karma, but these days I'm not too sure does he believe that there is more to life than what we experience in real day and will he be faced by his maker and answer to all of these choices he makes that causes others harm. No I do not think there's a maker that I will face. Does he stand up for himself or does he Bend to what he is told by the one who is pulling the strings and keeping him fed?

A

I think I stand up for myself this and this next comment here. Does he think his hair loss is partially due to his subconscious? That knows, he is participating in evil and on purpose, causing harm to others that have no desire to return this level of hate and anger back at him.

A

No I don't think that my hair loss is caused by Eden or crypto. uh My hair loss started much much uh longer uh than that does he know. Life is short and even shorter when he lives in hate. Yes, I know that um and there you go. Those are my thoughts next question: uh how many friend proxies did I have in the last season election I.

D

Had four like, like I, said.

A

All right, this is a question directed to all Eden members. If election rigging was legal, would you do it to win?

A

I mean election. If election is rigging is legal, then it's not election rigging. In my opinion, either something's illegal and you're rigging it, or it's legal and you're just playing the game as hard as possible. So I don't think this is a question that makes sense actually.

A

A question for uh Chief delegates: I, don't know if we still have any in the room at this point. Who will run the Eden infrastructure website, Zoom account ipf, Gateway, Etc I. Think that's a great question. Actually um I would love to have a website where all lead-in members can submit their election Platforms in a way that is equal to everyone. uh You know that the Helios team put up and eat an election website from my understanding, it's their website.

A

uh You know Gabrielle put up his uh his pitch, which was very well articulated and complete, and all that um he said, hey anyone who wants a pitch. Who wants to put your election pitch up here? You know you can. I kind of you know submitted something with the least amount of effort possible and eventually they removed that pitch from that website, but I think having a place where all lead-in members can. You know uh any one of them. Can upload I think that that would be great.

C

uh He's the fan uh from dancing Joy. Can you elaborate on why you did not agree with.

A

Or see value in hori's proposal um there was some value: uh I haven't rewatched my room actually so I'm not super familiar with the details, but I was very motivated to be elected myself and so uh I I thought that I would bring more value, and so that's why I was voting for myself um and for everyone who's saying: hey Steph, you blocked your room. Well, everyone else also blocked me and I. Don't know why I'm expected to vote for others, but when others don't vote for me, that's not considered blocking I, don't get that.

I

I think it went back to what you're saying before Stefan that you were saying that at the beginning of the call that you said that you wouldn't vote for others um and the other people on the call said that they were willing to vote for others and also I. Don't know if you already did research on Jorge's platform on Mark's platform, but I think it probably would have been um more.

G

I

For people, if you also uh as a leader, play the game in a way that I don't know, is more welcoming for people I don't mean to be harsh, but, um like I think you could have asked Jorge if he was willing to um to take into account your platform and what he thought about personal proxy um and yeah I I. Just think uh Jorge's platform was really exciting and really hopeful.

I

You know he's doing a lot of great work with Eden fractal and he started up with the Hispanic fractal um and so he's really leading and he's helping out with uh also his U.S fractal and in artificial intelligence and doing some really important work. So uh I would appreciate and I think a lot of people would appreciate um port for people like Jorge and yeah, just in general. I think that uh a lot of stuff you're talking about about stress testing Eden, is really helpful.

I

But there also is a cultural element too and like it's up to us as Leaders, to lead in a way that um it's not just all just codes like. We need to improve the code, but also like I, said an example for other people to help support each other, and it's always opportunity to help support each other as well. So just some thoughts that um that I had and I'd be curious to hear that thanks.

D

Yeah thanks for thanks.

A

For your thoughts, Dan um I mean you think: Jorge's proposed proposition had more value, I. Think mine had more value, I mean it's fine. We we disagree and I'm, not sure, there's really much more. We can say about that.

I

Yeah well, I definitely did I mean I worked really close with Eden fractal and I work with Jorge. A lot and I know he's doing great work with smash Factor, so I mean for me, I'm just I I haven't really been focusing that much on the smart boxing General, but I understand it's a big priority for a lot of people, but um I think that the more that we can support people like Jorge, who are starting out fractals and supporting the tooling that and inviting people, especially the Spanish Community. It's huge.

I

Then that's really helpful and I understand that we have different uh priorities too, um but that was just why I asked the question because I noticed in the Eden members chat the the reason why I wrote that uh was because need member strategy you had written just simply like I, didn't agree with their proposals and I didn't see value in them. So that seemed like a pretty strong statement which I think um I mean it sounds like.

I

Maybe you just wrote it quickly and I know you have a different opinion that there was some value, but it was just different some priorities, but.

A

um That's how I would describe it here, I yeah, if I said, I see no value, that's not what I meant. There's definitely is value. I. Think everyone's proposal has some value. It's just you know which one has more value to me.

A

You know I think I'm allowed to have you know that opinion and everyone else is also allowed to have that opinion, and you know I really wanted to I really wanted to be elected for the first time and I understand that I may it maybe I've ruined my chances of ever being elected with my behavior and that's I'm I'm ready to accept those consequences as well, and you know that's the Eden system work working as as the even system should, in my opinion,.

I

Cool well thanks to Ron, and also your points about the games are really inspiring too so I do love. How you've been coming back to Eden for uh over the past couple of weeks and months, and sharing a lot of enthusiasm and sharing some fun memes too, and and focusing in that game perspective too. So I have some mixed feelings about it all, but I appreciate it uh very much of what you're doing so thanks to fun, and thanks also for hosting this as well and thanks everybody to go eat in a great election overall.

P

I think maybe what I'm getting from what you're saying Dan is that the intention of Eden for some is to help build each other up and to help each other and Empower each other to deliver value back to the community and back to EOS and so by deliberately I think what maybe, what I'm picking up is Stefan When. You entered the room with no intention to do that.

P

Your intention was to disrupt cause stalemates and get yourself to the next round and I think that just speaks to this underlying fundamental cultural problem that we've been talking about for months and months, and it's just been really highlighted so again. I'm I have a lot of gratitude. I think there's an opportunity for something new to be formed. That has a much more clear culture where the culture here seems to be dog eat dog.

P

If the rules don't say it go ahead and do it and get yourself and your buddies up, there go for it and then that's fine I mean that's. That's okay! It's unfortunate I! Think because so much intention and energy has been put towards the former culture, which was to empower and build and grow community and create relationships, and uh but it doesn't have to be that um so yeah I think that's, maybe what you're trying to say Dan.

A

I think it can be that I think the rules need to be more specific in order to encourage that and to uh disallow certain strategies from being used.

A

um But I think that if the stakes are very high, then people will play the game as hard as the rules allowed them to, and so, let's make sure these rules are very well designed.

AC

Totally agree with that beautiful we now we have to press the reset button empty your mind and we have to begin again because from the beginning, that's wrong. All is wrong from the beginning who we need to push the processes correctly at first, all the processes into idonios have to be well drafted from the beginning. Until the end, then you had the people on the top. I am very in favor of EOS digital extended Network.

AC

Why extended Network, because on top of the network, what is extended? It's the humans. You had the humans on the top of the network, When. What? When the processes are well crafted it's what we are doing into hidden fractal into our Circle I speak about Circle and I know what I speak. Eden on yours is also a circle and when a circle has enough values at level, societal, economical and technological.

AC

At this moment you can Envision to connect this circle with another Circle, but not before so don't have the highs, bigger bigger than the body of the bird, the Beast bigger than your body. Okay, do the thing step by step with unit testing. So since the beginning, we are doing unit testing, we are at our fifth unit testing and sorry. I will be very I, agree totally and you will not be Barnett from me.

AC

Stefan, certainly not, because what you made it's exactly what that is needed to be done, because we have to prove that the system tolerate possible but intent bad playing. If the processes are well crafted, the people will behave into the perimeter that the processes have defined guys. You want governance into Eden, U.N governance. Okay, you want governance, I discussed of that with Nathan James on the last video watch, this video, because it's a pure gem.

AC

We need to have process with deterministic very well aware of what action they can. They can receive. It's all about objects, objects, so when an object receives a good action evidence there with a good manifest with a good action. So then, when those process are very well deterministic, the governance has to be builtedly with the processes, and you have people that want to build the governance and only then to build the processes that has to be done.

AC

Societal, economical technological and the marketing has to be done during the world. Not wait until all is finished, so I will fight for that day and night. During this term, I am okay to be the underdog. I will be, I will be very vocal, I will fight for what I know is good in my heart soul and mind. So I will do what I do since day, zero day Zero into this ecosystem.

AC

I pay myself I vote for myself, because I believe in what I do I know what I do and also I know why I do so. We need people that are vocal, but for the good good Lion of wisdom, the courage of the lion to do the things and to not be the Touchette of our purpose, and the purpose is, is to bring beautiful processes from the bottom to the top and this proxy.

AC

It's a noise, a noise, this proxy everyone can treat epoxy and you can put that with his own uh entity, but he into Eden I will be focused with my fellow CDs to establish the things that has to be done. Voila. So thank you.

AC

F

You Patrick um I just want to say: there's been a lot of talk about how like the rules need to be fixed and all this and honestly I think we haven't seen a bad outcome from any Eden election. Yet in terms of the actual results and all I'm.

F

Seeing is that um you know you could describe what um I'm just trying to stay away from casting this versions of anybody and, like you know, like Steph, you could describe what you did as an attack, but I don't think um even if it, even if it was an attack with ill intent, which I don't believe it was. Then you know, like you, didn't achieve your objective, essentially so um and personally. I think the culture of Eden is well enough.

F

Seated at this point that even if we had a bunch of people trying to tear it apart, um I may eat my words, but, like I, think uh people are incentivized to work for the community um and not just for a narrow self-interest and we're all United behind EOS and improving and benefiting EOS and Eden on EOS by extension. So, for instance like when I go into a room.

F

I, don't say to myself personally: this is me personally I'm, not judging anyone that approaches it differently, but I do think I'm not alone in this, but when I go into a room, I, don't think I definitely have the best idea and for sure I'm going to um be the one that needs to advance from this room. I just don't approach it that way, I approach it more like I have some. You know, ideas that maybe I think are really valuable to the community and I want to share those ideas.

F

And if people resonate with those ideas, then I you know I'm open to being put forward as the eventual nominee from that group. Now, if I go into the room and there's another person there, that I view personally is more high value. As than myself um as a delegate I'm just gonna support that person, I, don't have the desire to you know, put myself ahead of them now, I may hope, or I may I may negotiate. I may try to get that person to um adopt some of the elements of whatever it is.

F

That is of concern to me that I want to see worked on in Eden, but I'm not going to do that at the to the detriment of you know, putting them forward. I'm, not gonna, hold my interests as more important than you know. Seeing some value emerge from that group. This is just my personal.

F

You know views on how I'd approach, how I do approach rooms um in the election process, not to say that it's the only way to approach a room, but but I will say that I, don't think attacks or efforts by people to kind of like strong arm particular outcomes or even to seed, uh like certain.

F

You know like if I invited a bunch of my friends and said, like only support other people that you know hold these certain views like I, just don't think an attack like that is going to succeed in Eden. Not at this point, maybe maybe.

A

If, like we, it will 100 succeed well,.

F

But like and I'm not saying there, there aren't ways that we can improve the way we, you know see the membership, but of course we don't want to create too much friction um and then the other element that we haven't really talked about at all here is just group size. um There's.

F

A reason why you know like to get back to dunbar's number like there's is a good case to be made that no Eden should really be over a certain size so that you can maintain um cohesion between groups and that each of these smaller Edens should send forward uh a delegate to like a Federation of Edens essentially, and that would be the way that you scale um the idea of scaling a single Eden group to like 10 000 is maybe a little bit ridiculous, because the beauty of trust in the community um at small numbers is that you can actually know those people, and you can know that they are good actors.

F

When you get Beyond a certain scale. You can't really know anymore, and you can't really you know discern who is who so like, there's a lot of things that play here but I but I think at a smaller scale. Anyway, um it's pretty easy I, just think, I think a lot of this underestimates people have very powerful detectives and if there's somebody that in the system, I believe weeds out um really polarizing figures.

F

So if someone comes in with a really clear agenda that is obviously not shared by the other people in that group, maybe they make it through a round, but they're not going to make it through another round like that I doubt it, um because the system is designed to reach consensus, whether you think I mean I know you don't think it's about consensus, but I really think at the end of the day, like fundamentally, everyone is asked to agree to send one person forward, and that is the very nature of I mean it's: it's not 100 consensus, but it is some form of reaching consensus on.

A

A single individual I'm, just saying the the first principle you know the overriding factor is numbers numbers. First, then, consensus building second,.

F

Yeah I, just think like in the yeah I mean you'd have to run this experiment with, like somebody, who's really I bet. Computer models could figure this out better than we can. But you know, given that humans are unpredictable and they have a sense for things that is not and we're like at least appearing on. You know video.

F

um If we were appearing in person.

F

This would be really hard to game, obviously, but um we're trying to scale in a digital like remote sense, but yeah I, just think we're underestimating the power of the system to actually weed out Bad actors, while I do think that we there's room for improvement in terms of you know agreeing you know, but I think that the changes that we need to make are fairly minor, to be honest, like I, think they have to do with yeah Max limits and possibly just like a stronger cultural element of what binds us together um and what we're trying to achieve here together, um which you know various people spoken to as far as like North, Star and stuff, like that, but anyway, I'll.

A

Leave it at that, but you know a culture that is based on Unwritten rules will work, whether it's a small community for low stakes, but when it becomes high stakes that doesn't work anymore. In my opinion,.

F

That's why I think the size limitation Factor comes in um I think the smart way personally to scale Eden is many small groups like many groups of 250, rather than you know, multiple groups of ten thousand.

A

um And you know me not voting for Jorge for examples who who had you know According to some people, great ideas that would benefit Eden and EOS, and all that I'm not blah. You know those funds are allocated to all the other L1 that have great platforms and great ideas, and so so I don't feel like a room. Not reaching consensus is negative to the system. Resources are not blocked. The system acts as it should. That is a consensus.

A

No consensus is consensus right and so I I, don't I, don't see it negative at all, and if you would have asked me before the election, how many rooms are going to not reach consensus? I would have probably bet the over. If the line was uh 5.5, we had five rooms that didn't reach consensus, one due to technical issues, which was not not part of that. You know that calculation but yeah.

A

Those are my thoughts, so I I think actually there's a lot of consensus reached more than I would have maybe imagined actually in the last election.

F

Yeah, no for sure all.

A

Right two final questions here that I got on the Google form. uh This one is from Sebastian B and it's to everyone who participated in the latest election I'm, not sure if it's a good time to get into this, but in which way. uh What do you want Eden adios, to represent on only the human layer? In which way? Do you see the organization Eden onias to be active, direct contributor to the EOS mainnet in general and after your term has ended? So this is a you know, very open-ended question.

A

You know talks a lot to what a lot of people have been talking about. What is the mission statement for Eden? What is the one thing that binds us all together that we can all agree upon?

A

um So I don't know if we want to get into that already, it's been four hours already um and then we have one final uh comment from CAC. This comment is to everyone, and the comment is hello, hello,.

D

Cac thanks for joining.

AC

Shout out to cic by the way, uh Stefan I have a question for you.

D

AC

I know you, since the very beginning and when I was seeing this video with Jorge, Jen and um Edgar I have watched this video, maybe 10 times to be honest and each time that I have watching this video I have another um uh perspective.

AC

That's all about the Russian Moon effect by the way from the 1950, a Japanese guy I, don't remember his video name but watch the the video that's the hatchimal effect. Maybe Stefan will put that into the chat.

AC

It's all about to reduce the rashimon effect, what we are doing with those uh videos and there's a induction and mind mapping, and so on. So my question for you: uh when was popping into your mind that you should do to serve us, because what you are doing is to serve Us by doing so.

AC

By the way you can say what is that is bad or good, whatever you have made, what is needed um so since when have you decided to to do this, uh knowing exactly what you will that you will do, because you are a poker guy, I know you. So when was popping exactly into your mind, that's my question. That would be very interesting, too to know at which momentum have you decided to do that since uh because of what which event as as triggered yeah this uh yeah, exactly that's my question.

A

Crypto has been pumping while I've been doing this edit Eden optimal strategy presentation. So that's like bitcoin's, almost at 18K. Yes, almost at a dollar, just in case you guys hadn't noticed um but yeah. So what motivated me was the 500 000 EOS donation? That's when I was like my ears, pierced up. Oh lots of fun things available for the vaccine. Election great, oh block.

A

One is donating to Eden what the is going on here and then you know the proxy was announced uh and then the more the more and more I kind of read the chats I thought about it. I realized the Eden election is going to be very high stakes. I perceived. You know the EOS Network to be under attack through this Eden election and I thought. It was very high stakes, so I didn't it's not like. I saw the 500 000 donation.

A

I was like all right, I'm gonna, you know test Eden and try to exploit flaws or whatever that's not. That was not my first purpose. My first purpose was I need to go hard. I need to compete as hard as I can in this election and then, through that process of trying to figure out what I could do.

A

I came across all of these. You know strengthening vectors if you will, um and so it was kind of a natural process. The more I thought about the game, the more I thought about strategies, double checking with the Eden bylaws that I, you know that are up to date for this election is this allowed? Is this not allowed and kind of you know my actions flowed from there, so it was not necessarily planned.

A

You know, as a stress test, I was just playing the game as hard as I could within the rules of the game and I realized. ah There's there's a lot of stress testing. Here, that's going to go on and then I realized. You know what I know. Some people are not gonna like what I'm gonna do. Maybe I will lose reputation in the community for the things I'm doing, um but I think someone else is going to do this. Maybe the maybe the other side is currently doing this and if they aren't well, then great.

A

That means uh you know my vision and Mission is likely to be more represented and we're gonna have great case studies on some of the things that people can do when they perceive and need an election to be extremely high stakes which I perceived it to be the case. Foreign.

AC

The fifth, the fifth term, now that we are leaving that's the that's the momentum, that's the momentum to to press the reset button, as I said many times uh empty the mind and going forward, because otherwise we are repeating and repeating in circle jerk, but we have already experienced it since term, one term, two, three four so I, don't say there was no uh iteration on the past term, uh but uh yeah for me.

AC

Until now, that was a repeating the unnecessary things, sometimes spending a lot of time to speak, masturbate, our brain, uh the sexual life of the bees in Alaska. Sorry, to take this example, but that's exactly that, so we need to do concrete things. We want a better Rios, it's all about yours. Indeed, the EOS Network and all that then Eden is an artifact.

AC

Factory is an artifact all that at a heart defects, so we just have to to to do the things intelligently, as we will do into the real life in a startup in a real Enterprise. uh What is wrong? We need to use the blockchain for what he gives to us. More distribution of the data, more proof of Mind proof of usage, the bylaws when you push the bylaws on chain, that's a proof of Mind by pushing the bylaws on chain. So that's not wrong.

AC

Make a bylaws in bullet point that could be actionable by a smart contract. That's very intelligent.

D

I lost Patrick.

A

No I think he's dead.

F

It wasn't used to we all lost Patrick. Oh.

AC

Sorry sorry I want to say uh make the things make the things more easier like if we are five years old use, words that are understable and make bullet points, and we will be all happy, I love. Yours, we love yours, yours will never die. We love us all. We are a good Community, the best community, so we are not to fight between us. We have just to be able to say the true of the balls and uh oh, oh sorry, I am very happy to be a chief delegate.

AC

ah A little music nice.

AC

AC

Er of the smart contractor through uh uh seeker of the the flows. uh Thank you very much. We need you, we need you, don't don't die tomorrow. Please I'll, try not to I will try to lose all my best.

D

All right is that it for today any other questions comments or do we wrap it.

A

Up at 4 hour and 15 minute, Mark I guess we need to stay on at least five more minutes.

AF

uh Can I say something? No all right kidding so I I was one of the so-called proxy uh invited by Stefan and it was.

A

You were not one of my friend proxies, you were just one of my other invites.

AF

So I was in other, invites invited by Stefan and never was my intention to vote for anybody that I would not agree with what they do, nor not vote for what I believe in so I just want to say that, because I read multiple times in the chat like puppets suck puppets or whatever terms they, they said.

AF

So that's that's. One thing and I propose a project which, by the way, almost got uh elected because I got four votes and 20 seconds before the end of the round. I end up with three and I was 15 minutes late, 15 minutes to try to get the mic on, because nobody would give me the passcode, because the onboarding sucks, listen, 15 minutes for a couple pitch, had seven minutes to pitch my stuff and still manage to get almost contentious. So in some way I think Eden is working in some others.

AF

It needs to be tested more. That's just my point of view.

D

Great thanks for sharing Lewis and.

A

Congratulations for almost winning your round. One.

AF

I'll I'll come in next season.

F

Can I just take the opportunity to plead with every Eden member to consider supporting a change in the time of the election to not be soaked?

F

It's terribly early for the North American audience I mean let's just look at California, which is I, don't know somewhere in like the fifth or eighth largest economy in the world, that basically no one from California is going to participate in the Eden election and that rules out and then mountain time for sure is also not gonna. Get up that early I mean in central time it's still pretty early currently and I on a Saturday, no less. So you know at the very least.

F

I would just hope that we could make it a more Humane hour for North America I apologize, anyone that will invariably inconvenience if that does change. But um I think this is Another good argument for multiple Edens and.

A

um Yeah I mean such an early start. Time is kind of optimized for Asia to be able to participate and I. Don't think that's what this edit should be optimizing for. I think we should be optimizing for the West Coast, the east.

F

A

F

A

It's clearly an English language. Please please.

F

Let's say 8 A.M Pacific time would be like not inhumane, to ask somebody and I mean just think about people in San Francisco. They don't wake up at 8am period. So that's just you know, you're asking a lot.

A

Shout out to my friend proxies who, at the last minute, I told them they had to get up even earlier on the Saturday to join this and they're, like oh, my God, okay, fine and.

AF

I was crazy, which is crazy.

D

AF

That's why I had seven minutes to pitch.

D

Yeah very unfortunate.

AC

It's just for you. Do you mean that if a member is removed, he can join again? Do you really mean that.

A

I mean he's saying that the rules no.

AC

I say: I I, don't care about the rules! Now I speak in the absolute in the absolute. If you are committed to a community, you will do all what you have to do for this community. So the day.

A

I, don't think anyone you know, I think everyone agrees that if you get removed, then you should not be allowed back in I. Think yeah I think we can reach consensus on that.

U

We are human beings, this is the human aspect. So if we're going to move people permanently- or maybe thinking automating, that.

AC

AC

Infiltrators. Okay, so please respect what I do periph, because you are joking always with what I do so, if you can do 10 of the videos that I have made during uh four years now, I I encourage you to do a video yourself. Okay, so please.

S

Please Patrick I love you bro I,.

AC

Don't I don't care, sorry, I, don't care. If you love me, I, don't care. If you love me, I, don't care I, don't! Oh.

S

My God, this is fun, I, love being with someone.

D

All right all right, we're good we're.

A

Good I hope Patrick got so remuted that wasn't me Patrick. It wasn't me no.

AC

No, that was myself uh I, make me I I make maybe your lens to to not continue to speak, but by the way, I don't care. If the people loves me I do what I have to do? Okay, let's keep it. Let's keep it calm. No, no I am, can I have drink uh three liter of what county. Now that's okay,.

A

There you go, we all, we all know. That's the Eden Optimum strategy. Three liters of vodka eat one kilogram of popcorn overnight, no.

AC

Three kilo, three kilo, three kilos of uh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all.

A

Right I think we're gonna get there for today. um Thank you, everyone for everyone who listened to my uh my ranting and um I appreciate you guys uh listening to what I have to say. If you have more questions of course, tag me on telegram reach out to me privately me next week, uh you know you know I'm out there and I'm not shy to uh to share my thoughts and opinions.

AC

And we have to finish always with something fun on those fireside chat. You know what we have to say: gooey or sing chorus with all our heart soul and mind at three two one: zero I will do a countdown at three two one: zero, we say glorious. Okay, are you ready, I'm, ready, okay,.

AC

If I take a breath, I drink a shot of vodka and I will say tree two.

AB

One zero gold.

AB

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AC

I, personally, don't care.