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From YouTube: EdenOS and What It Means for the EOS Community. Dan Larimer is back! Can It Make EOS Great Again?
Description
Dan Larimer is back in the EOS community to revitalize it and bring it closer to his original vision starting the EdenOS DAO initiative. In order to do so, he must align the community and block producers to reach consensus. Yves La Rose, CEO of EOS Nation, joins the conversation representing the BPs with Everything EOS host, Zack Gall, representing the EOS community.
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A
One,
the
new
founder
co-founder
of
clarion
os,
we're
going
to
talk
about
eden
os
today.
There's
a
lot
of
stuff
going
on
dan
is
back
in
the
eos
community
and
obviously
everyone
knows
eve
larose
the
number
one
block
producer
in
the
world,
the
recent
recipient
of
the
esvc
grant
to
build
a
community
driven,
grant
matching
crowdfunding
portal,
we're
talking
the
new
governance
model
that
dan
is
presenting
called
eden
os
and
they,
I
think,
all
of
this
stuff
kind
of
ties
together.
A
I
think
this
is
a
great
episode,
because
we've
never
had
dan
on
anything
like
you've
barely
been
able
to
interact.
You
were
barely
able
to
do
this
stuff,
as
it
was
for
the
last
couple
of
years
and
to
do
it
with
a
bp
on
my
other
side
is
just
incredible,
because
I
see
this
episode
as
a
way
to
reunite
everyone.
That's
ever
been
in
the
eos
ecosystem.
I
hope
people
who
haven't
been
paying
as
much
attention
see
this
tune
in
and
get
all
caught
up
on.
A
All
of
the
latest
things
happening
because
for
the
first
time
in
since
around
b1
june,
there's
more
stuff
going
on
than
I
can
keep
up
with
like
it
was
literally
stressful
to
catch
up
on
all
of
the
conversations
going
on
to
just
prepare
for
this,
and
I
see
this
episode
as
a
consensus
building
episode.
So
we
got
consensus
between
the
block
producers,
the
eos
community,
the
eos
token
holders
of
for
the
architects
of
eos
and
I'm
gonna
just
stop
talking
and
say.
Welcome
guys
and
thanks
for
joining
me
today.
B
C
Yeah,
so
thank
you
very
much.
I'm
excited
as
well.
This
is
my
first
show
with
dan.
This
is
the
first
time
that
dan
and
I
like,
on
the
first
time,
live
with
video
that
we're
able
to
speak.
You
know
dan,
is
the
reason
why
I'm
here
and
basically
has
shaped
my
life
for
the
last
three
years,
and
so
this
is,
if
I
could
be
blushing,
it'd,
probably
be
blushing
right
now,.
A
So
one
of
my
questions
here
is:
did
you
I
think
you
guys
didn't,
have
a
relationship
until
very
recently,
whenever
dan
kind
of
showed
up
in
the
u.s
community
with
a
bang
like
you
just
came
out
of
nowhere?
I
don't
think
anyone
was
expecting,
but
did
you
guys
know
each
other
before
or
talked
to
each
other
before,
or
is
this.
C
Spoke
maybe
a
few
times
like
prior
to
maintenance,
launch
and
maybe
after
mid
and
launch,
but
very
very
little,
I
would
say
insignificant,
but
definitely
in
the
last
two
or
three
weeks
there's
been
there's
been
a
lot
of
discussions
back
and
forth
and
for
obvious
reasons.
So
yeah.
A
B
Just
because
it's
repeated
enough
and-
and
I
fell
victim
of
that-
and
I
just
assumed
the
worst.
But
that's
because
I
was
hearing
second
third
hand
through
the
interpretations
of
others.
But
I've
come
to
know
a
couple
of
the
block
producers
and
I
think
that
there's
everyone
involved
really
wants
the
best
for
eos.
I
want
the
best
they
want
the
best
if
we
could
just
start
to
give
each
other
the
space
to
be
and
assume
the
best.
A
So
the
the
theme
of
the
show
it's
it's
something
that
come
out
of
the
chinese
community
eve
the
makeo's
great
again,
meme
thing.
So
that's
what's
on
the
thumbnail,
that's
one
of
the
themes
of
today's
show
is:
how
can
we
make
eos
great
again
and
when
we
say
again
that
means
it
was
great
at
one
point
and
personally,
in
my
opinion,
from
the
main,
the
lead
up
to
the
main
that
launch
all
the
way
up
until
b
when
june
was
when
eos
was
great,
and
then
we
had
the
hackathons.
A
We
had
the
announcement
of
usb
c.
We
had
all
of
the
optimism
in
the
world
and
then
after
b1
june
dan
and
brendan
you
guys
both
left
telegram.
Honestly,
I
I
I
will
pinpoint
that
as
a
moment
where
the
the
the
light
of
the
community
kind
of
dimmed
a
little
bit,
because
people
just
want
to
have
an
open
conversation
and,
as
like
you
said,
like
you're,
if
you're
not
available
to
communicate,
then
you
could
become
the
boogeyman
like.
Even
I
have
this
conversation
all
the
time
about
some
of
the
exchanges.
A
So
and
then
continuing
on
after
b1
june
eve
at
eos
rio,
you,
you
gave
a
presentation
that
was
kind
of
the
lead
up
to
your
wps
that
you're
building
and
it
was
titled
to
reigniting
the
magic
for
eos.
So
you
obviously
saw
what
I
saw
also
was
like
the
optimism
and
the
enthusiasm
and
everyone
just
having
that
go-getter
attitude.
It
kind
of
it
slowly
diminished
a
little
bit.
B
Well,
I
think
a
lot
of
it
had
to
do
with
expectation
of
other
people
to
do
something
right.
There
is
looking
to
block
one
and
in
the
absence
of
communication
or
clarity,
about
where
you
know,
road
maps
and
things
like
that.
People
just
had
no
idea
where
we're
going
right
and
there's
a
darkness
descends
on
the
land
there,
and
you
know,
lots
of
people
have
tried
to
step
up,
but
there
was
always
because
you
know
there's
looking
to
block
one
for
approval
to
do
things.
B
That's
kind
of
you
know
killed
things
like
whether
it's
worker
proposal
systems
that
didn't
go
through
or
whatnot,
and
no
one
really
knew
who
had
authority
to
say
what
was
going
to
happen
and
there's
this
relationship
between
eos
and
block
one.
That's
just
has
been
very,
very
strong
and
now
that
I'm
no
longer
part
of
block
one,
but
I
can
engage
directly
with
the
eos
community
and
I
say:
hey
guys:
eos
is
its
own
thing.
B
We
can
make
eos
whatever
we
as
a
community,
choose
to
make
it
and
and
not
wait
on
block
one
to
do
anything
in
particular,
and
this
is
actually
you
know.
I
can't
speak
for
block
one,
but
from
their
perspective
right
they
said.
Eos
is
a
community
thing
and
block
one
is
producing
the
software
and
there
are
many
eosio
chains
out
there
as
a
community.
B
We
need
to
take
ownership
of
it,
and
so
that's
been
what
I've
been
coming
into
the
community
and
say:
hey,
I'm
here:
let's
take
ownership
of
eos
as
its
own
thing
as
its
own
destiny
and
really
focus
on
what
we
can
do.
We've
got
a
currency
with
a
4
billion
dollar
market
cap
and
tons
of
potential
tons
of
things
that
can
be
done
with
that
and
just
by
looking
at
what
we
have
and
what
we
can
do
with
it.
B
We
can
make
forward
progress
instead
of
looking
back
at
what
we
thought
we
might
have
had
what
we
might
have
lost
and
what
we
expect
other
people
to
do
that
just
drains
the
energy
out
of
the
room,
everyone's
waiting
on
somebody
else
to
come,
save
and
then
people
get
upset
when
things
don't
happen
as
they
would
like.
B
We
have
the
power
to
have
complete
control
over
the
future
if
we
can
just
reach
consensus
right.
This
is
a
soft
kind
of
consensus,
who's
leading
the
community.
How
are
we
going
to
allocate
funds?
How
do
we
make
sure
things
aren't
being
abused
and
if
we
can
have
that
consensus
we
can
move
forward
and
right
now,
the
only
consensus
that
we've
had
is
weight
on
block
one,
and
all
this
no
by
me,
saying
don't
rely
on
block
one.
Don't
expect
things
from
block
one,
nothing
bad
about
block
one
block.
B
One
is
building
the
core
protocol
they're
releasing
updates
to
the
system
contract.
I
suspect
that
staking
pools
will
be
coming
pretty
soon
and
you
know
they've
recently
funded
a
grant
and
there's
things
that
block
one
is
doing
for
the
eos
community
and,
as
things
block
one's
doing
for
eosio,
that's
all
great
but
block
one
is
eosio
they're
neutral
to
to
most
networks,
and
we
should
be
grateful
for
the
blockchain
engagement
team,
that's
reaching
out
to
the
eos
community
and
and
helping
meet
the
needs
that
we
might
have.
B
We
take
ownership
of
it,
and
that
means
doing
some,
some
basic
things
like
having
a
website
for
eos,
that
is,
for
the
eos
community.
That
is
the
portal
that
you
say:
hey.
You
want
to
check
out
eos
get
involved
with
eos.
This
is
the
authoritative
website
and
that
website
should
be
linked
from
all
the
coin:
market
caps
and
similar
websites,
instead
of
you,
know,
discovering
eos
and
coin
market
cap
and
going
to
eos.io.
B
Talk
about
eos
at
all,
it
talks
about
eosio
and
everything.
No
instructions
on
how
to
get
the
network
wallets
account
creation.
All
the
questions
people
might
have
are
not
answered
on
eos.io
and
so
information,
scattered
and
so
from
the
outside.
It's
just
really
hard
to
get
into
eos,
and
so
I
I
came
in
and
I
was
looking
at
the
gaps
of
you
know:
what
do
we
need
to
give
eos
its
own
identity
free
from
from
block
one
and
the
expectations
of
what
block
one
should
or
shouldn't
do.
A
Well,
it's
a
lot
to
unpack
so
prior
to
you
rejoining
the
community
to
kind
of
dr
lead
it
forward
and
reach
a
consensus.
The
other
man
on
the
screen
here
was
kind
of
the
the.
I
would
call
you
one
of
the
top
leaders
of
the
eos
community.
I'd
also
say
that
you
served
as
the
block
one
dan
and
brendan
punching
bag
for
the
eos
community,
because
you.
A
You
were
the
only
one
that
they
could
release
this
negative
energy
on
and
they
they
felt
helpless
and
they
they
took
it
out
on
you.
They
take
it
out
on
everyone,
but
it's
really
just
the
lack
of
communication,
and
now
we
have
the
communication
so
eve
you
also
so
after
that
talk,
you
gave
reigniting
the
the
magic
of
the
eos
community.
A
few
months
later,
you
released
the
the
initial
version
of
your
wps.
A
A
You
had
a
great
strategy,
I
think
to
do
that
and
it
was
ready
to
go
forward
and
then
it
kind
of
got
stopped
and
then
I
think
we
went
through
another
lull
because
of
that,
because
I
think
there
was
a
big
build
up
to
this
and
then
it
stopped
and
then
out
of
it
came
something
even
better
and
we
talked
about
it
last
night,
so
eve.
What
has
the
journey
been
like
for
you?
So,
as
far
as
taking
ownership
of
the
network
like
at
what
point,
did
you
the
bloc?
A
C
To
it-
and
I
echo
a
lot
of
the
sentiment
that
that
dan
was
sharing
and
and
the
concepts
of
what
he's
talking
about
and
how
that
relates
to
what
he
wrote
in
his
book
and
because
dan
spends
a
lot
of
clearly
dan
spends
a
lot
of
time.
C
Thinking
about
this,
I
think
it's
pretty
obvious
by
now
as
well,
that
I
spend
a
lot
of
time
thinking
about
this
and
I
do
so
more
publicly
than
dan
was
capable
of
doing
prior
to,
and
so,
as
you
mentioned,
we
were
kind
of
the
the
output
for
a
lot
of
this.
A
lot
of
these
failed
expectations.
A
lot
of
this.
C
This
anger
a
lot
of
basically
sadness
because
a
lot
of
people
had
high
hopes,
but
some
of
those
expectations
also
didn't
stand
necessarily
inherently
from
those
individuals
but
from
they
were
pushed
from
from
other
entities.
Other
stakeholders,
including
block
one,
but
we
have
to
remind
ourselves
that
we're
like
dan
created
something
that
didn't
exist
before-
and
this
was
an
experiment
and
and
dan
is
very,
very
upfront
and
saying
that
a
lot
of
what
he
does.
C
He
he
not
elaborates,
but
he
he
implements
live
as
it's
going
right,
and
I
think
that
one
of
the
big
thing
that
changed
was
that
prior
to
mainnet
launch,
there
was
a
lot
of
you
know
back
and
forth
and
somewhat
creation
as
we
went
along
and
that
really
started
slowing
down.
And
then
we
started
as
as
with
anything
it's
new.
This
got
created
it's
new,
it's
now
out
in
the
wild,
and
everybody
has
different
ideas
of
whose
role
or
whose
responsibility
it
is
to
take
care
of
x,
y
or
z.
C
And
then
we
clearly
over
a
period
of
time,
see
that
oh,
we're
actually
missing
this
function
or
we're
putting
this
function
on
these
individuals,
but
maybe
they're,
not
the
rest.
The
best
people
to
take
care
of
this,
but
the
system
that
we
have
in
place
doesn't
necessarily
facilitate
the
finding
of
those
individuals
for
that
particular
function,
and
I
think
that
this
is
what's
most
exciting
for
for
me,
so
we
look
at
and-
and
our
journey
has
been
very,
very
difficult
as
as
block
producers
more
so
specifically
because
we're
really
the
only
output
for
the
west.
C
There
are
no
other
western
block
producers
right
now.
We
are
the
only
one,
and
so
we
are
essentially
bearing
the
weight
of
the
western
community
on
our
shoulders,
whereas
in
china,
from
a
geographical
point
of
view,
there
are
obviously
way
more
people,
but
they're
more
concentrated.
So
it
is
possible
when
I'm
in
china
to
go
from
city
to
city,
to
city
and
hit
most
of
the
eos
community
in
a
very
short
period
of
time
in
the
same
language,
same
culture,
whereas
it's
impossible
to
do
that
in
the
west.
C
How
many
countries
would
I
have
to
go
to
when
I
go
somewhere?
There's,
maybe
100
people
in
a
room.
Whereas
if
I
go
in
china,
I
can
easily
fill
10
000
people
in
a
room,
and
so
the
concentration
is,
is
very
different
and
that's
been
one
of
the
most
difficult
things
is:
how
do
we
kind
of
bridge
that
gap?
But
that
really
stems
from
the
fact
that
a
lot
of
the
tokens
and
the
governance
system
that
we
have
in
place
is
based
on
the
tokens.
It
is
an
oligarchy.
C
Now.
Clearly,
people
feel
that
they're
a
part
of
this
current
system
that
exists,
but
there's
a
predominant
focus
on
those
who
have
tokens
and
because
of
pareto
those
who
have
a
large
amount
of
tokens.
So
it's
very
easy
for
a
token
holder
who
has
a
very
minimal
share
of
tokens
to
feel
like
they're
not
represented,
because
their
vote
doesn't
count,
it's
not
valued
sure
it
does.
It
does
count,
I
mean
you
can
vote
on
chain
and
it
does
do
something.
But
realistically
the
proportion
is
so
small
that
you
it's
very
easy
to
feel.
C
C
C
He's
the
founder
of
this
he's
the
founder
of
multiple
pieces
of
software
prior
to
this,
and
he
just
has
had
that
gravitas
right
and
if
somebody's
going
to
be
able
to
create
this
new
entity,
which
I
guess
we
call
eden,
os
or
or
the
function
dan
is
really
the
best
person
that
I
can
think
of
yeah
well,
yeah
yeah.
I
would
argue
the.
C
Is
really
really
important
so
how
this
is
going
to
be
created
and
the
output
and
the
type
of
people
and
the
kind
of
people
that
it'll
be
able
to
give
voice
to,
in
my
opinion,
is
something
that
we
currently
don't
have.
We
don't
have
that
function,
and
it
is
clear
after
three
years
that
we
are
missing
that
function.
We
clearly
have
a
voice
for
those
who
have
a
lot
of
tokens.
B
C
A
C
B
You
know
what
now,
why
didn't
you
know
it
then
right,
there's
this
kind
of
expectation
to
just
have
the
answers,
but
I've
been
looking
at
well,
I
saw
how
big
shares
went
and
there
was
a
lack
of
incentive
to
fund
developers.
There's
a
you
know:
inflation
was
a
bad
word
in
the
bitshares
community,
it's
very
controversial
when
I
added
it
as
a
means
of
of
trying
to
find
a
sustainable
way
to
have
all
stakeholders
fund.
B
The
work
that's
necessary
to
see
the
thing
forward
right
because
there's
a
there's,
a
moral
hazard
of
wanting
somebody
else
to
put
in
money
and
not
get
any
return
right.
That's
just
the
unalignment
and
unsustainability
to
it
and
bitshares.
Also
struggled
because
are
you
asking
people
to
put
money
into
something?
That's
experimental!
That's
that's
new!
That's
a
much
harder
sales
pitch,
and
so
then
I
went
on
to
steam
and
the
idea
of
steam
was
well.
B
Let's
recognize
that
people
can
contribute
work
and
not
just
money
that
they
can
create
something
like
posts
and
content
that
can
then
be
indexed
by
google
and
drive
traffic
and
drive
adoption.
And
how
would
you
bootstrap
a
currency
in
an
economy
with
no
wealth
right
and
that's
what
the
idea
of
steem
was,
and
that
was
largely
successful,
except
you
know
it
was
trying
to
do
massively
decentralized
budgeting
or
allocation
of
funds
where
people
were
voting
and
so
forth
on
subjective
content
right.
B
B
Pareto
principle
takes
over
and
you
end
up
with
some
people
that
have
an
outsized
portion
of
tokens
and
then
they
play
a
different
game
of
they
don't
care
about
growing
the
whole
pie,
they
just
care
about
growing
their
share
of
the
pie
and
they
can
make
more
profit
of
their
share
growing
than
trying
to
grow
everyone's
and
then
there's
other
ego
and
and
things
like
that
that
come
into
the
mix
of
of
things.
But
we
start
to
see
how.
A
B
Created
a
a
culture
that
started
driving
people
away,
even
though
steam
at
the
time
was
the
easiest
to
use
blockchain
that
your
grandma
could
get
on,
and
people
even
realized.
They
were
using
a
blockchain.
It
was
that
easy
and
there
were
no
transaction
fees
right.
So
I'm
doing
these
things
and
then
we
get
to
eos
and
we're
going
to
bring
all
the
best
things
of
theme
and
bitshares
and
then
add
programmability,
so
that
anyone
can
build
apps.
But
now
we
had
a
new
challenge.
How
do
you
allocate
resources
for
cpu
storage
and
the
like?
B
A
B
Accounts
that
are
going
to
get
the
most
votes
and
they're
just
going
to
get
a
portion
of
the
inflation,
and
then
that
could
fund
different
different
things
brendan,
and
I
changed
our
mind
against
that
when
we
saw
how
the
incentives
were
to
siphon
off
the
money
and
not
invest,
not
use
it
for
the
good
of
the
community
right,
and
so
we
wanted
to
pause
that,
because
there
was,
there
was
a
problem
with
delegated
voting
stake,
weighted
voting
for
for
block
producers
and
or
for
resource
allocation,
and
so
we
need
to
put
on
pause,
but
I
don't
I
didn't,
have
the
answer
immediately,
for
how
do
we
fix
this
now?
B
Do
we
go
back
to
proof
of
work?
Well,
that's
an
oligarchy
too!
That's
pareto,
distributed
too.
That's
wasting
a
lot
of
resources.
Too.
Do
we
go
to
some
other
proof-of-stake
system,
pareto's
dominating
there
and
we're
seeing
similar
things?
So
what
is
the
solution?
B
B
You
know
I
needed
to
really
think
about
how
is
what's
the
nature
of
cooperation
in
consensus
building
because
blockchain
is
I'd,
say,
there's
two
aspects
of
blockchain
communities:
you've
got
the
objective
consensus,
the
real-time
consensus
right,
the
stuff,
the
computers
are
doing
and
then
you've
got
the
consensus
that
people
are
doing
right.
You
know.
B
B
We
start
off
in
the
in
the
jungle
right
and
we're
we're
animals,
and
you
know
mike
makes
rights.
That's
the
only
thing
that
matters,
and
you
know
from
it,
takes
judgments
and
morality
and
any
of
those
notions
that,
I
guess,
are
unsubstantiated,
there's
reasons
in
rationale
why
they
exist
and
I'm
not
saying
that
they're
bad
things
but
fundamentally
might
makes
right
at
the
end
of
the
day.
It's
not
sorry
mike
is
what
might
is
what
happens?
B
It's
not
necessarily
right
or
wrong,
it's
just
nature,
but
when
you
think
about
it,
two
people
working
together
are
stronger
than
two
people
that
are
not
coordinated.
B
And
so
I
started
investigating
what
is
the
rationale
for
people
to
come
together
for
consensus?
Why
are
they
doing
it
from
a
purely
selfish
into
like
you
know
we
like
to
have
a
lot
of
anarchists
out
there
that
say
down
with
the
government.
No
government
all
blocks
change
right.
That
kind
of
mindset,
but
there's
still,
why
would
a
person
voluntarily
submit
themselves
to
be
governed
by
a
democracy
and
it's
not
a
democracy?
B
All
those
things
are
kind
of
like
arbitrary
reasons
for
everyone
to
follow
that
person
and
to
make
them
the
leader
and
that's
what
I
was
digging
through
when
I
was
writing
my
book,
and
you
know
I
had
to
deal
with.
You
know:
why
are
democracies
failing?
Why
do
we
have
two-party
systems
that
don't
seem
to
work?
B
B
Writing
the
book
was
a
process
for
me
of
of
organizing
my
thoughts
and
keeping
track
of
all
these
things,
and
now
that
I've
got
that,
I
actually
believe
that
there's
a
way
that
we
can
create
a
a
governance
system,
that's
inclusive
for
as
many
people
as
possible.
That
gives
everyone
as
much
power
and
independence
as
possible
and
prevents
capture
of
political
parties
prevents
incumbents,
prevents
celebrities
from
having
an
automatic
sherwin
all
right.
It
prevents
stagnation,
and
all
these
things
are
what
we
need
for
a
decentralized
governance,
a
true
democracy.
B
If
you
will
versus
a
system,
that's
governed
by
some
oligarchy
or
some
insiders
club
that
just
they
get
in
power,
and
you
can't
do
anything
about
it.
They
control
the
choke
points
on
the
community
and
you
have
to
do
what
they
say,
or
else.
B
So
I've
been
talking
a
while,
but
you
know
if
you
want
to
understand
what
I
was
doing
for
those
years
and
why
I
wasn't,
I
guess
more
vocal,
because
I
didn't
have
all
the
answers
on
how
to
fix
it,
that
I
thought
would
be
sufficient,
and
now
I
think
I've
got
it.
I
knew
it's
admittedly
a
theory.
B
Admittedly
it's
experimental
like
everything,
but
I
think
it's
the
best
hope
that
we
have
not
just
for
eos
but
for
the
broader
society
of
getting
a
group
of
real
non-civil
attack
people
to
come
to
consensus
on
which
we
want
to
go
and
to
operate
together.
If
we
can
get
this
group
of
people
together,
we
can
empower
them
over
the
eos
currency
and
to
put
that
inflation
to
good
use
for
the
community
to
grow
it
further.
B
B
So
that's
my
long-winded
answer
for
where
we've
been
where
we
need
to
go
and
and
why
it
wasn't
necessarily
obvious
and
we
can
go
into
what
the
structure
is
for
the
audience
here
in
a
little
bit.
But
you
know
that's
why
I
wrote
the
book.
A
A
I
was
just
going
to
say
that
I
I
I'm
going
to
let
eve
comment
on
this,
but
one
of
the
things
I've
seen
in
the
community
as
dan's
been
presenting
these
ideas
for
eden,
os
or
the
eden.
Dao
is
none
of
this
matters.
If
the
block
producers
won't
accept
it
like
what
do
the
block
producers
think
so,
I
think
respond
to
whatever
way
you
plan
to
be,
but
please
address
what
you've
seen
and
heard
from
the
block
producer
since
you're
the
one
that
kind
of
has
consensus
with
all
of
them.
C
Sure
so
I
guess
the
first
thing
I
wanted
to
to
say
from
what
dan
said
is.
I
think
one
of
the
key
components
that's
still
missing
for
me
and
how
this
plays
out
is
the
timing
aspect
of
things.
So
time
is
going
to
be
an
incredibly
important
variable
in
the
political
playoffs
in
the
sense
of
how
often
does
this
process
reoccur
and
and
obviously,
if
I
think
you
even
address
it-
that
let's
say
we
do
it
one
year.
C
Well,
maybe
there's
incentive
for
people
to
do
things
at
the
beginning
of
their
term
at
the
end
of
their
turn
and
very
little
in
between
so
the
stagnation
that
it
will
be.
Essentially,
a
reserve
reverse
bell
curve,
depending
on
which
point
of
view
you
look
at
it.
So
how
would
you
address
that?
Or
what's
the
idea
with
that
in
terms
of
of
timing
wise,
I
know
that
it
was
talked
about
one
year,
perhaps
faster
in
comparison.
A
C
C
B
Want
the
president
of
the
united
states
changing
every
time
he
says
something
that
upsets
half
the
people
right.
You
know,
there's
that
could
really
result
in
chaos
on
in
policy
and
in
fact,
in
my
book
I
I
indicate
that
any
proposal
that
goes
forward
should
be
proposed
by
the
current
president
and
then
the
next
president.
B
B
Don't
need
to
be
changing
constantly
in
response
to
everything
and
that
it's
like
trying
to
fly
an
airplane
with
a
high
latency
right.
You
move
the
joystick,
but
you
don't
see
the
the
styles
update
for
a
couple
minutes,
but
the
plane
could
be
in
the
ground
by
then
right,
people
changing
policies
in
the
government,
they
they're
yanking
on
the
joystick
left
and
right
and
the
consequences
can
take
years
or
decades
or
sometimes
centuries
to
play
out,
and
so
we
need
to
have
a
very
stable
governance.
B
Now,
that's
once
you
understand
what
the
basis
is
once
you
have
a
base
status
quo
now
early
on.
We're
still
experimenting
right
now,
but,
and
so
you
might
want
to
have
a
little
bit
faster
updates
as
we
learn
what
doesn't
work
and
what
does
work.
So
in
the
long
term.
I
I
think
it's
not
going
to
be
a
problem
to
have
a
one-year
pace
with
a
long
proposal
process
and
that's
necessary
for
people
to
evaluate
what
it
is.
B
B
On
a
platform,
I
want
to
know
that
it's
not
going
to
change
overnight
on
me
right
because
that
uncertainty
is,
is
death
to
business.
It's
risk,
it
has
to
be
priced
in
so
as
a
community
the
goal,
the
governance
should
be
stability.
B
A
B
Of
what
it
is,
you
got
a
group
of
people
that
you
want
to
reach
consensus
on.
You
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
representative
of
the
people,
you
want
to
make
sure
that
that
it's
not
celebrity
based,
so
you
group
them
into
random
groups
of
10
people.
It
could
be
other
numbers,
but
we're
assumed
10
and
they
each
appoint
a
leader
just
from
their
group,
which
means
each
group
only
ever
has
to
consider
the
people
that
are
in
their
group.
They
don't
have
to
have
global
knowledge.
B
B
Because
people
you
have
lots
of
people
making
independent
judgments
focused
in
their
local
area
and
so
there's
more
focus
on
more
people
and
every
single
person?
If
you
can
convince
10
people,
you
can
get
some
power
and
their
proposal
for
eden
is
that
if
you
can
get
even
elected
by
10
power
you're,
given
a
budget
from
the
inflation
that
you
can
start
spending
to,
you
know
fulfilling
whatever
campaign
promises.
B
You
made
to
your
little
group
of
ten
to
cover
your
costs
of
just
being
a
community
member
at
that,
and
then
once
you
have
the
representatives
from
each
group,
you
repeat
the
process,
you
divide
people
into
groups
of
ten
and
so
forth,
and
so,
depending
on
the
size
of
the
community.
This
might
take
three
to
four
rounds.
If
it's
a
100
million
people,
you
can
do
it
in,
I
think
seven
rounds
or
so
seven
or
eight
rounds.
B
A
B
A
couple
of
the
top
middle
layer
bottom
layer
and
then
we
we
trickle
budgets
down
and
we
give
autonomy
down
to
to
these
groups
so
that
we
can
fund
the
projects
that
the
people
want
and
that
the
people
are
interested
in
without
everyone
having
to
understand
every
project
without
having
to
have
a
massive
campaign
audience
to
get
attention
of
everyone.
B
B
It's
designed
to
select
the
individuals
who
are
most
effective
at
getting
consensus
in
a
group
of
ten,
because
you
have
to
convince
seven
out
of
ten
people
to
select
you
and
if
you
can't
convince
seven
out
of
ten,
that
group
can't
promote
anyone
forward.
So
consensus
building
is
the
skill
that
the
playoffs
are
optimizing
kind
of
like.
If
you
have
basketball
playoffs,
it's
going
to
be
the
tallest
best
shooting
basketball
players
that
are
going
to
be
the
ones
that
advance.
B
B
And
my
my
theory
is
that
if
you
had
someone
like
marshall
rosenberg,
who
invented
nonviolent
communication
as
a
means
of
having
empathy
and
not
judging
people
and
resolving
disputes
between
warring
tribes,
people
with
that
type
of
personality
are
going
to
be
the
most
likely
to
advance
because
they
can
hear
the
needs
of
everyone.
B
C
Eve
well,
I
can
address.
I
agree
with
with
what
dan
just
said.
I
think
that
that's
what's
going
to
result
in
happening,
that
there
are
a
lot
of
people
that
that
have
been
asking
what
would
stop,
for
example,
the
same
people
that
currently
hold
positions
of
power
in
eos.
Arguably
the
block
producers
from
being
successful
in
a
system
like
that.
I
think
it's
a
different
skill
set
so
one
I
don't
think
that
they
would
necessarily
make
it
that
far.
C
I
don't
think
they'd
want
to
make
it
that
far
regardless,
like
that,
I
don't
think
that
that's
that's
not
something
that
would
be
of
interest
to
them.
First
of
all,
but
I
don't
think
that
that's
what
was
results
so,
regardless
of
whether
or
not
they'd
want
to.
I
don't
think
that
that's
what's
going
to
be
the
output,
which
is
why
I
think
it's
a
really
good
balance
for
that.
C
C
Ideally,
I
think
the
idea
is
that
you
start
off
with
having
a
second
one,
there's
nothing
stopping
from
in
the
future
having
multiple
of
these,
which
represent
multiple
communities,
multiple
types
of
people,
cultures,
languages
whatever
it
may
be,
whatever
that
that
line
is
between
you
know,
both
taos
or
whatever
you'd
want
to
call
them.
I
think
that
you
start
off
with
one
and
you'd
add
multiple
over
time
and
ideally
like,
like
dan
says
in
his
book.
C
At
some
point,
you
have
so
many
of
them
that
they
each
have
a
voice,
so
everybody
feels
like
they've
got
a
voice
in
some
way,
shape
or
form,
or
each
voice
is
somewhat
represented
in
some
way,
shape
or
form,
whereas
the
current
system
does
not
does
not
really
facilitate
that,
but
it
also
is
not
designed
for
that.
That's
the
big
thing
is
it's
it's
not
designed
for
that.
So,
of
course,
that's
not
the
output
you're
going
to
get
so
just
to
mention
that
part.
B
The
states
would
each
have
a
leader
and
they
use
political
playoffs
to
select
that,
and
the
key
is
that
the
it's,
a
recursive,
fractal
kind
of
governance
structure
that
maximizes
the
power
of
the
individual
to
have
a
change,
a
chain
reaction
on
the
entire
system
like
if
you,
if
you
look
at
the
cover
of
my
book,
it's
it's
one
individual
here
who
knocks
over
a
small
domino,
that's
their
local
community
and
then,
as
that
local
community
reaches
new
consensus.
B
C
A
I'll
show
you
I
saw
it,
you
published
an
nft
for
the
book
today.
Didn't
you
yeah.
B
I
saw
it
I
did,
I
did
I,
I
I've
been
accused
of
not
having
used
eos
and
for
whatever.
A
B
I
guess
this
is
something
else
that's
worth
discussing,
so
many
of
the
things
that
I
wanted
to
build,
whether
they're
decentralized
exchanges
or
social
media
platforms
for
the
tokens.
They
have
all
these
tokens
that
have
all
these
regulations
and
and
concerns
around
it.
So
what
kind
of
apps
can
you
build
that
don't
have
tokens
that
aren't
going
to
be
considered
securities
and
and
yet
still
benefit
from
blockchain,
and
that's
and
there's
so
many
consequences
of
just
engaging
with
the
blockchain,
particularly
if
you're
a
high
profile
individual?
B
That
has
you
know
regulators
looking
at
your
every
move,
so
I
I
hadn't
actually
used
the
eos
blockchain
that
much
other
than
trying
out
a
prediction
market,
but
today
I
got
in
there.
I
I
created
a
nft
for
the
cover
of
my
book,
which
is
up
for
auction
right
now,
and
I
did
that
with,
I
guess,
atomic
assets
on
on
eos.
So
you
know
I've
used
eos,
it's
great
to
see
all
the
great
tools
that
people
are
creating.
I
love
the
concept
of
nfts.
B
I
think
it's
they're
a
little
bit
of
a
bubble
right
now,
but
it's
it's
still
fascinating.
It's
kind
of
like
fine
art
everything
is
unique
and
you
own
it
for
its
uniqueness
sake
and
and
people
are
just
collecting
memorabilia
or
things
that
they
think
other
people
want
to
collect
in
the
future,
because
it's
going
to
have
some
kind
of
long-term
significance
to
it,
and
so
that's
it's
really
cool
to
see
what
people
are
doing
there.
A
C
We
did
the
first
one
well,
so
we
have
an
nft
studio.
You
should
check
your
messages
down.
You
haven't.
We
have
an
nft
studio,
there's
a
lot
for
you
to
learn
on
how
to
make
nfts
your
first
nft
is
nice.
It's
missing
a
lot
of
metadata
that
would
make
it
better
and
we'll
definitely
help
you
and
anybody,
I'm
sure
will,
will
gladly
help
you
on
that,
but
I
think
it's
cool.
C
I
think
I
think
it
was
important
for
you
to
address
then
that,
because,
even
from
my
point
of
view,
it's
it's
sad
to
hear
that
you
never
really
used
eos
as
the
creator
of
the
software,
because
there's
a
lot
of
good
out
there,
there's
the.
B
If
you
had
one
percent
of
the
tokens
you
got,
one
percent
of
the
network
eos
is
clearly
a
utility
token
right
because
that's
what
it
was,
but
the
consequence
of
that
was
if
the
eos
price
goes
up,
the
cost
of
using
the
network
it's
prohibitively
expensive,
it's
like
if
you're
building
like
electronic
components
out
of
gold
and
the
monetary
value
of
gold
goes
really
high.
Then
all
of
a
sudden,
your
your
electronics
are
too
expensive
because
they
depend
on
gold.
B
The
same
kind
of
thing
was
happening
with
with
eos,
but
the
new
resource
model
eos
is
more
of
a
currency
and
the
currency's
unique
market
is
they?
Can
the
resources
are
only
available
in
that
currency?
So
it's
kind
of
like
the
petrol
dollar,
where
oil
is
only
available
in
dollars.
B
Now
it's
because
it's
more
divisible
than
bitcoin
or
ethereum,
and
you
know
that
the
visibility
characteristic
is
a
function
of
what's
the
smallest
transaction
that
you
can
do
with
with
say
one
percent
fee
or
less
right
and
it
it
doesn't
matter
that
you
can
divide
bitcoin
to
eight
decimal
places
if
the
smallest
bitcoin
transaction
you
can
do
with
a
one
percent
fee
is
hundreds
of
dollars
right,
yeah
and
ethereum
when
the
average
transaction
cost
is
twenty
dollars.
B
These
types
of
things
mean
that
unless
you're
transacting
in
big
quantities,
it's
not
divisible.
In
fact,
gold
coins
are
more
divisible
than
ethereum
and
bitcoin.
In
that
you
can
get
a
tenth
of
a
ounce
of
gold
with
about
two
hundred
dollars
worth
and
that's
something
you
can
actually
transact
with.
Without
any
transaction
fees.
You
can't
transact
efficiently
in
200
worth
of
bitcoin
or
ethereum.
B
Gold
went
it's
all
going
to
flow
into
the
banks,
whether
it's
an
exchanger
or
some
other
middle
layer
and
the
banks
are
going
to
issue
ious
for
the
bitcoin
and
you're
going
to
transfer
it
all
around,
and
the
average
person
is
not
going
to
own
bitcoin
or
ethereum
they're
going
to
have
claims
on
bitcoin
ethereum
denominated
assets
in
exchanges
and
eventually
you
know,
maybe
governments
will
say
well
sorry
you're
not
allowed
to
control
the
private
keys
right,
they're
already
talking
about
that
type
of
thing,
and
then
they
need
to
start
getting
fractional
reserves
and
eventually
the
reserve
disappears
and
then
bitcoin
just
becomes
a
unit
of
account.
B
A
Falling
apart,
this
argument
is
good
for
theory
against
ethereum
and
bitcoin,
and
it
would
have
been
a
great
argument,
two
or
three
years
ago,
but
today
there's
other
scalable
blockchains.
So
in
your
mind
like
what
would
make
eos
a
better
currency
than
something
like.
I
don't
know
like
solana
or
some
other
next-gen
blockchain.
B
Well,
let's
talk
about
what
makes
a
great
currency
a
great
currency
is
based
on
the
country
that
issues
it
the
country
that
uses
it
the
economy
behind
it.
The
people
are
what
make
a
great
currency.
If
we
want
eos
to
be
a
great
currency,
we
have
to
create
a
great
economy
where
people
are
using
the
currency
to
buy
and
selling
using
it
as
a
currency
right
nfts
bought
neos,
great
d5
that
uses
eos
collateral
great.
Both
of
both
of
those
things
are.
B
If,
if
the
only
thing
that
eos
is
ever
used
for
is
is
resources
on
a
network
and
everyone
else's,
you
know-
let's
say
bitcoin
ethereum
and
whatever
other
token
get
proxied
into
eos,
and
it's
going
to
be
like
the
new
york
stock
exchange.
You
know
they
got
the
value
of
the
exchange
itself
versus
the
value
of
the
shares
being
traded
on
it.
There's
a
really
big
difference.
B
So
I
see
the
key
to
adoption
is
to
focus
on
the
economy,
which
means
we
need
things
like
the
eos
marketplace,
that's
going
on
in
venezuela
and
we
need
to
have
more
assets
for
sale.
We
need
to
create
auctions
and
ebay
type
interfaces
that
use
eos
as
a
currency
and
there's
lots
of
tax
challenges
with
using
cryptos
as
currencies,
but
as
a
community.
A
A
lot
of
what
would
need
to
be
built
will
hopefully
at
least
reach
some
sort
of
resolution
with
the
community
grant
portal
that
we
were
talking
about
yesterday.
These
are
all
great
things
that
they
might
not
necessarily
be
prof
profit
driven
to
get
get
the
foundations
laid.
You
got
to
build
the
public
road
system
first
and
right
now
we're
kind
of
lacking
certain
things.
A
a
big
recent
example
of
this
was:
whenever
the
blancos
went
live
for
the
pre-sale,
you
could
pay
with
all
of
these
other
currencies.
A
You
couldn't
even
use
your
eos
to
pay
for
a
blanco
which
was
an
eos
ios,
potentially
based
project,
so
that
was
eye
opener
of
like
how
far
we
still
need
to
go,
and
I
saw.
B
You
earlier
there
should
be
a
store
where
I
can
buy
eos
t-shirts
and
sweaters
and
and
in
with
eos
right
and
if
we
and
if
we're
going
to
do
things
in
the
community,
like
you
know,
I
asked
for
a
logo
for
for
clarion
my
my
new
communication
protocol
I
paid
in
eos,
because
I
wanted
to
use
it
as
a
currency,
and
I
wanted
people
that
wanted
eos
that
would
take
eos
to
be
the
only
people
that
could
contribute.
I
don't
want
people
that
are
going
to
take
credit
cards
or
or
bitcoin.
B
I
wanted
to
create
something
that
was
enforcing
the
community
around
eos
as
as
an
example
there,
and
so
if,
if
we
do
that,
then
that'll
be
amazing.
There's
one
other
thing:
I'd
like
to
address
that.
I
think
the
u.s
community
needs
to
think
long
and
hard
about
is
what
does
it
mean
to
create
a
dap,
a
decentralized
application
right,
and
this
is
not
just
eos.
The
ethereum
and
other
smart
contract
platforms
all
have
to
deal
with
this.
B
In
my
mind,
the
definition
of
a
decentralized
application
is
one
that
does
not
depend
upon
any
single
centralized
counterparty.
So
if
you
need
to
go
to
a
particular
website
to
get
a
particular
interface
with
a
particular
api
in
order
to
use
your
app,
it
might
be
on
a
blockchain,
it's
not
a
decentralized
app.
B
If
there's
only
one
provider
of
the
api
that
you
need,
it's
not
a
decentralized
application
to
be
a
decentralized
application.
It
should
almost
be
the
point
where
you
can
download
an
electron
app
to
your
computer.
You
can
point
it
at
one
of
a
hundred
different
api
endpoints
that
you
can
then
pay
for
the
api
data
from,
and
you
know
that
this
app
will
continue
to
work
without
any
reliance
on
the
creator
of
the
app
or
a
particular
service
provider.
B
B
Have
to
host
any
servers
for
it
whatsoever
and
it
continues
to
function.
That
would
be
a
decentralized
app
one
that
requires
my
domain
in
order
to
use.
It
is
just
using
a
public
blockchain
as
the
infrastructure
for
a
centralized
application
and
you'll
see
the
same
kind
of
problems
on
ethereum,
where
there's
interfaces
for
doing
this
d5
product
or
that
d5
product.
B
But
if
the
website
goes
down,
you
can't
use
those
interfaces
right.
You
might
have
your
keys,
you
might
be
able
to
do
things
by
hand,
but
in
reality,
but
for
most
people
it's
not
actually
actually
decentralized
applications,
because
there's,
whoever
is
hosting
those
applications,
has
taken
a
lot
of
liability
and
they
can
be
forced
to
censor
things.
D-List
things,
I've
heard
of
d-listing
of
assets
from
decentralized
marketplaces.
B
What's
that
about
right,
it's,
and
so,
if
we
work
together
to
fund
the
development
of
the
api
node
infrastructure,
so
that
people
can
build
and
deploy
apps
without
having
to
have
any
of
their
own
infrastructure
on
their
own.
B
Then
we
will
achieve
the
decentralized
vision
and
then
eos
would
be
a
more
powerful
currency
in
that
environment
and
that's
part
of
what
clarion's
for
to
decentralize
the
communication
of
stuff
that
doesn't
necessarily
need
to
be
synchronized
and
ordered
on
a
blockchain
but
is
nevertheless
signed
and
attested
and
and
integrates
into
an
interface.
A
So
you
went
from
one
thing
to
another
and
I
think
they're
totally
different
with
the
eos
as
a
currency,
and
then
you
got
into
like
some
ideals
with
decentralization.
I
want
to
backtrack
to
the
currency,
and
that's
just
because
I
know
eve
has
an
opinion
on
this.
Of
eos
is
utility
like
what
do
you
see
as
eos,
like?
What's
your
opinion
on
us
as
a
currency,
I'll
just
leave
it
open-ended,
because
I
know
we've
had
this
discussion
before
and
how
could
we
question.
C
I'm
being
very
quiet
and
because
I
can
dominate
conversations
purposefully
remaining
as
quiet
as
possible
and
giving
space
so
the
the.
So
I
guess
concretely,
I
mean
there's
no
there's
no
denying
that
we
support
the
idea.
We
just
implemented
the
power-up
model.
We
led
the
way
for
the
power-up
model.
We
we
we're
the
ones
who
modeled
it,
we're
the
ones
who
actually
put
the
tools
out
so
that
other
people
can
model
it.
C
We
chose
the
parameters
in
partnership
with
with
the
stakeholders
and
and
doing
the
consultation
with
stakeholders,
and
I
think
that
that's
the
first
step,
the
one
thing
that
really
it
is
a
huge
transition
and
it's
coming
to
an
end
on
april
8th,
but
that
really
is
in
a
way
the
foundation
like
that
was
pouring
it's
even
prior
to
pouring
the
concrete.
It's
maybe
cutting
the
hole
in
the
ground
or
whatever
for
this
new
for
this
new
base
layer
functionality
that
would
move
us
towards
in
that
direction.
C
C
I
strongly
think
that,
and
and
we're
not-
and
we
can
go
back
to
the
question
you
asked
before-
about
the
inflation
and
about
eden
os,
because
I
think
it'll
all
tie
back
together
and
and
going
back
to
even
prior
to
that
we're
the
ones
who
reduced
the
inflation
burnt
the
tokens,
so
there's
even
a
lot
to
unpack
there
in
in
that
regard.
C
For
for
us,
inflation
is
not
taboo
for,
for
me,
economic
activity
begets
economic
activity,
and
I
think
it's.
This
is
what's
powerful
about
other
ecosystems.
That
we
can
see
like
ethereum,
for
example,
is
that
we
had
this
idea
in
eos
or
a
lot
of
people
had
this
idea
in
the
us
with
large
voices
that
inflation
is
taboo
in
general,
and
that's
maybe
where
you
know,
because
it
stems
from
blockchain
and
stands
from
who
created,
blockchain
and
kind
of
that
kind
of
the
people
that
it
that
it
it
attracted
at
first.
C
But
inflation
is
not
necessarily
taboo,
there's
a
way
for
and
this
and
we
don't
know,
we
don't
know
the
answer,
but
there's
a
way
for
economic
activity
to
actually
generate
more
economic
activity
and
ideally
for
the
the
whole
to
not
be
a
zero-sum
game.
C
You
need
to
keep
attracting
external
economic
activity
as
well,
and
this
is
where
we're
stuck
right
now:
we're
not
attracting
external
activity,
so
we're
just
inside
within
the
own
realm
of
eos
right
now,
recycling
all
of
this
economic
activity,
whereas
competitors,
arguably
right
now,
the
other
competitor
chains
are
not
only
in
incentivizing
economic
activity
within
its
own
realm,
but
they're
also
encouraging
and
attracting
external
economic
activity.
I
think
for
us
to
be
able
to
start
increasing
the
external
economic
activity
to
be
ported
on
chain.
C
Obviously,
there's
some
foundational
tools
that
are
required:
some
some
some
bridges
and
some
payment
rails
and
there's
a
lot
of
that
kind
of
stuff.
That's
required,
but
also,
I
think,
incentive
wise.
We
need
to
rethink
the
way
that
we
currently
have
the
incentives.
The
power
up
model
is
one.
The
staking
pools
are
another
where,
if
done
in
a
certain
way,
it
would
be
an
attractive
feature,
an
attractive
sell
for
hey
people.
You
can
come
to
eos.
C
You
can
basically
bring
your
assets
onto
eos
and
there's
a
lot
of
people
who,
when
we
talk
about
large
sums
for
them,
this
is
perhaps
a
small
percentage
of
their
asset
portfolio.
But
for
us
it's
actually
a
large
amount,
so
volume
wise,
large,
percentage-wide,
very
small
for
them
and
all
they
want
to
do-
is
park
their
assets,
not
touch
them,
not
do
anything
but
earn
that
risk-free
base
level,
inflation
or
or
dividends.
C
But
then,
with
that,
that's
now
in
the
system,
that's
liquidy,
the
on-chain
that
can
now
get
more
economic
activity
and
that,
if
we're
able
to
right
now,
we
only
have
one
percent,
let's
say
to
play
with,
and
we
see
that
that
one
percent
has
been
optimized.
There's
no
doubt
in
my
mind
that
the
up
the
one
percent
as
it
currently
exists
over
the
last
three
years
has
been
optimized.
Regardless
of
whether
or
not
you
agree
on
how
it's
been
optimized,
it
has
been
optimized.
C
There's
no
doubt
in
my
mind
about
that:
adding
new
inflation
to
the
mix,
one
of
them
being,
for
example,
eating
os,
which
I
support,
having
a
set
amount
of
inflation
and-
and
I
will
I
will
lobby
on
behalf
of
the
other
block
producers,
and
I
will
lobby
the
other
block
producers
to
bring
this
change
to
life,
because
I
think
it's
important
because
of
what
it
unlocks
and
what
it's
capable
of
producing,
I
think
is
more
valuable
than
the
cost
to
it.
C
Obviously,
we
won't
know
until
we
actually
do
it,
but
what
is
the
risk
of
not
doing
it
at
this
point?
I
think
far
exceeds
of
doing
it.
There's
no
doubt
in
my
mind
about
that
as
well,
and
I
strongly
believe
that,
based
on
based
on
discussions,
I've
had
with
others
that
they
also
believe
the
same
thing.
People
who
are
in
a
position
to
be
able
to
vote
on
inflation,
so
other
block
producers,
so
we've
got
the
staking
pose,
which
would
be
kind
of
the
second
part
of
transforming
eos
into
a
usable
currency.
C
C
Out
of
that,
won't
need
to
focus
on
whether
or
not
the
chain
is
alive
tomorrow,
whether
or
not
the
chain
will
be
able
to
handle
what
they
can
come
up
with,
whether
or
not
if
magically
they
attract
a
million
users
tomorrow
chain
will
be
okay
with
it.
Whether
or
not
the
chain
will
continue
functioning,
regardless
of
the
token
price
that
part
we've
optimized.
What
we're
missing
and
where
inflation
can
come
into
place
is
the
attraction
of
external
capital,
which
I
think
can
occur
with
the
power
up
model.
C
That's
not
in
place
at
the
staking
pools
and
then
the
attraction
of
the
vision,
the
ideas,
the
direction,
the
the
the
non-tangible
more
subjective,
things
that
that
really
require
a
lot
of
sweat
equity.
But
that
isn't
necessarily
it's
hard
to
to
put
a
number
on
it
at
any
given
time,
because
it's
more
long
term,
we
don't
really
have
that,
and
I
think
that
that
will
come
out
of
the
eden
os
side
of
things.
I
think
that
answers
kind
of
three
different
questions
that
you
asked
yeah.
A
A
B
It
can
create
an
incentive
to
invite
people
in
to
eos
and
and
creating
the
eos
evangelical
promoters
out.
There
is
how
you
grow,
the
number
of
people
involved
and
the
number
it
creates,
a
support
network
for
the
people
that
are
coming
in
right,
so
that
people
aren't
just
coming
in
the
reason
why
it
would
incentivize
people
to
invite
is
because
you're
going
to
be
assigned
to
a
group
of
10
people.
B
B
That's
worth
funding
and
I
think
that's
a
be
a
real
attractor
and
the
bigger
the
budget
and
the
smaller
the
community,
the
more
money
that
each
one
of
those
people
will
have
authority
over
right,
yeah
and
so
as
community
grows.
Obviously,
that
budget
gets
divided
among
more
people
and
it
starts
to
shrink,
but
countering
that
as
the
community
grows.
In
theory,
the
currency
is
growing
in
value
and
the
budget's
growing
with
it
and
that's
what
everyone's
seeking
is
to
see
the
eos
economy,
the
the
number
of
people
that
are
citizens.
B
We
want
to
maximize
decentralization
of
control.
I
can't
think
of
anything
that
maximizes
decentralization
more
than
the
governance
process.
I've
laid
out
here
because
every
single
pareto
distributed
system
is
going
to
be
controlled
by
the
one
percent
having
51
of
the
control,
every
single
one
proof
of
work,
proof
of
stake,
delegated
proof
of
stake,
but
with
eden
it
truly
is
democratic.
B
But
what
eden,
I
think,
is
going
to
be
the
most
decentralized
consensus,
building
algorithm
for
the
subjective
consensus
building,
and
that
should
build
unity.
And
that's
that's
really
what
we're
all
about
with
blockchain!
B
We
want
to
reach
consensus,
get
the
protocol
level
consensus
and
then
you've
got
the
subjective,
governance,
layer,
consensus
and
I
think
that
could
really
set
eos
apart
and
could
create
a
movement
of
people
that
want
to
be
part
of
eos
just
because
of
the
consensus
mechanism,
because
imagine
how
much
better
the
world
would
be
if
we
had
truly
democratic
societies
where
people
opinions
could
be
heard
or
increa
increase,
their
autonomy
and
and
so
forth.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
appeal
to
be
involved
in
that
right,
because
it's
not
just
enough
to
have
a
community.
B
That's
hey!
When
moon
make
me
money
that
mindset
of
inviting
people
to
a
community
to
buy
the
tokens
so
that
you
can
make
money
well,
the
only
way
you
make
money
is
by
selling
the
token.
That's
not
a
good
thing
to
bring
people
into
you
want
to
bring
people
say,
hey
come
buy
the
token.
By
the
way
I
don't
want
to
sell.
B
C
So
I'd
like
to
address
that
part,
because
I've
heard
you
say
that
on
many
occasions
and
I
I
agree
to
a
certain
extent-
I
don't
fully
agree.
So
I
agree
that,
in
order
to
lock
in
the
gains
you
need
to
sell,
but
on
paper
knowing
that
you
own
assets
without
selling
them
still
brings
freedom
to
a
lot
of
people.
C
That
you're
holding
increases
in
value
without
actually
locking
in
that
value
is
still
freedom
in
itself.
So
I'd
like
to
make
that
distinction,
yeah
and-
and
this
is
what
I
think
is
a
lot
of
the
frustration
of
the
community-
is
that
they're
holding
on
to
assets
that
they've
seen
decrease
in
value.
They
feel
like
they're
slave
to
the
system,
because
once
they
sell
they're
locking
in
that
loss,
and
so
they
don't
sell
and
so
they're
stuck
in
the
community
and
all
they
can
do
is
about
it.
So
we
see
the
reverse
right.
C
B
A
B
Want
to
be
a
part
of
it,
no
matter
what
the
currency
is
doing.
Obviously
they
prefer
that
it's
going
up,
because
that
means
the
community
is
growing
in
power
and
economic
might
right.
So
the
community
is
growing
stronger
as
the
price
is
going
up,
because
people
want
to
stay
in
and
they
don't
want
to
sell
and
yeah.
And
if
that's
the
outcome
you
want,
you
can't
focus
on
make
the
price
go
up,
because
that's
sending
the
wrong
message
to
the
people
you
want
to
attract
in.
C
Yeah
well,
the
token
valuation
is
a
variable,
it's
not
the
most
important
variable,
but
it
definitely
is
an
important
value.
Well,
it
definitely
is
a
tangible
representation
of
value,
and
I
would
agree
that
the
stronger
the
community,
theoretically,
the
stronger
the
the
the
currency
in
this
case
or
the
the
token-
and
so
it's
one
of
the
factors
that
I
think
was
never
really
addressed,
especially
in
the
west
in
the
east.
C
That
is
definitely
more
front
and
center
in
terms
of
discussions,
even
discussions
being
held
and
being
able
to
to
talk
about
it,
whereas
in
the
west,
it
was
always
somewhat
taboo
to
discuss
the
fact
that
perhaps
you're
in
here,
because
there's
financial
ties
linked
to
it,
and
so
we
saw
kind
of
a
void
of
never
talking
about
it.
A
I
mean
think
about
what
it
enables
it's
like
price
does
matter
in
a
lot
of
ways.
Two
years
ago
you
would
see
block.
I
mean
this
is
before
the
voter
awards
and
stuff,
but
there
is
just
more
capital
to
go
around.
There's
more
projects
being
invested
in
because,
whenever
you're
in
big
profits,
you're
able
to
invest
to
grow
the
system
around
you-
and
there
are
like
a
lot
of
more
events,
sponsored
things
like
that.
I'm.
B
C
B
On
the
results
in
place
of
doing
those
other
things
or
you
know,
then
it
kind
of
creates
the
opposite
of
what
you
want.
Then
you,
this
is
applies
to
all
areas
of
life.
If
you're
working
at
a
job
and
the
only
thing
you're
thinking
about
is
your
paycheck
and
getting
a
raise,
that's
different
than
saying
how
am
I
going
to
produce
the
most
value
for
my
employer,
yeah
and
so
forth?
B
Right,
it's
a
mindset,
it's
a
way
of
being
that
you
know
the
paycheck-minded
employees
sabotage
their
own
career
advancement,
whereas
the
passion-driven
employees
can
will
naturally
start
have
greater
success
unless
it's
not
a
100
rule.
B
But
it's
a
general
statement
that
the
more
you
focus
on
what
you
don't
want,
the
more
you
folk,
which
is
the
price
going
down
right,
the
more
you
focus
on
the
thing
you're
measuring
instead
of
the
thing
that
causes
it
to
grow,
you're
you're,
not
focusing
on
the
thing:
that's
going
to
get
you
the
results
that
you
want,
and
so
which
is.
B
B
Yeah,
where,
where
are
we
going?
Who
are
we
going
there
with
and
why
are
we
doing
it?
And
I
want
to
create
a
community?
That's
maximizing
the
independence
of
the
people
to
be
as
financially
independent
as
socially
independent
as
technologically
independent
as
possible,
so
that
we
can
be
as
free
as
possible
together
and
that
that
is
a
mission
that
I
think
a
lot
of
people
can
get
behind
and
that
will
attract
people
and
that
will
produce
the
results.
B
You
want
sure
a
lot
of
people
can
get
behind
the
pump
and
dump
and
a
lot
of
people
can
get
behind
fomo,
but
those
don't
have
lasting
long
term
right.
You
have
to
sell
the
top
right.
It's
like
game,
stop
everyone
piles
on,
but
you
know
this
thing's
gonna
crash
and
it's
just
who
can
get
out.
First
and
most
people
end
up
hurt.
B
B
Where
independence,
that
money
can't
even
buy
that's
what
the
community
can
produce
and
that's
what
I'm
looking
to
invite
people
into,
and
I
am
so
thrilled
that
I've
gotten
such
a
warm
welcome
back
to
the
community
after
after
these
three
years
and
working
with
the
block
producers
and
so
forth,
it's
been
really
good
to
be
back
and
can't
wait
to
see
we're
gonna
do
together.
C
B
Yeah
I've
been
working
with
a
team
of
people,
not
not
the
clarions
current
team,
but
a
team
of
people
from
the
community
that
are
very
passionate
about
seeing
this
process
implemented,
and
I
always
said
that
technology
is
meant
to
serve
a
community.
The
community
is
actually
exists
prior
to
the
technology.
We
can
implement
political
playoffs
without
writing
a
single
line
of
code
and
do
so
in
a
way
that
is
transparent
and
audible
and
verifiable,
and
that
can
be
done
with
nothing.
B
B
Even
before
we
get
the
technology
to
select
a
leader
for
the
first
year
and
and
a
set
of
leaders
for
that
first
year,
and
then
the
block
producers
can
fund
that
without
even
doing
any
inflation,
you
can
use
the
ram
fee
or
some
of
the
other
pools
of
savings
that
are
just
sitting
there,
but
under
control
of
block
producers
to
fund
the
development
of
the
on-chain
version
of
the
greater
political
playoff
process.
B
B
How
did
it
happen
and
then
the
funds
go
to
the
right
people
and
if
that's
the
case,
people
can
trust
it
and
we
can
move
forward
and
and
we're
not
creating
a
situation
where
what
I
see
so
often
is
hey.
I've
got
a
really
great
idea.
Let
me
build,
you
know,
spend
10
million
dollars,
building
a
prototype
and
then
try
to
get
people
to
use
it
and
people
don't
like
it.
Maybe
political
playoffs
people
don't
want
to
be
on
camera
or
there's
there's
some
aspect
of
it
that
we
don't
know.
C
B
C
And
then
do
you
so
the
the
current
idea
is
0.25
percent
of
inflation
after
the
system
is
live
and
running
and
then
essentially
implemented
how
much
funds
or
how
many
funds,
because
people
are
going
to
be
asking
and
obviously
that's
going
to
be
my
job
to
go
lobby
to
get
those
funds
give
or
take.
What
do
you
think
is
required
to
actually
start
this
up?
Do
you
have
you
thought
about
this?
Is
there
a
number
in
mind.
B
I
I
can't
give
you
an
actual
number
of
what
it's
going
to
take,
but
I
can
put
it
in
perspective
yeah
that
you
know,
10
million
dollars
can
hire
50
devs,
all
right
and
50
reasonable
devs
at
western
wages,
and
that
can
do
a
lot
50
devs
working
just
on
this
is
bigger
than
the
block
one
team
working
just
on
eosio
right.
That
is
a
lot
that
can
be
done,
which
is
0.25
percent
inflation.
B
So
if
the
network
grows-
or
we
choose
to
say
hey
rather
than
we're
fighting
the
west
with
0.25
or
from
the
east
with
0.25,
and
now
we
got
twice
as
much-
you
can
get
a
lot
done
with
50
devs
and
I
think
we
can
build
a
prototype,
a
minimum
system
with
five
devs
initially,
and
it's
a
trade-off
between
speed
and
and
cost,
but
some
things
just
take
time
and
sometimes
throwing
more
money
and
more
devs
at
it
is
not
the
answer.
We've.
You
know.
A
B
Things
happen,
you
know,
that's
how
we
get
real
change
in
the
world
and
I
think
that
this
process
and
eo
says
can
do
it.
So
I'm
saying
that
there's
a
lot
that
can
be
done
with
with
that
budget,
increasing
the
budget
and
spread
spreading
it
out
across
more
people
with
more
autonomy
right
trying
to
micromanage
budgets
and
trying
to
you
know,
hold
things
in
escrow
and
then
have
someone
evaluate
whether
or
not
it's
been
done.
It
slows
everything
down.
B
It's
better
to
find
a
system
that
puts
people
that
can
be
trusted
and
if
they
waste
the
money,
they
won't
get
elected
and
the
next
time
will
know
that
and
they'll
go
through
the.
The
point
is
to
generate
economic
activity,
to
allow
a
lot
of
ideas
to
flourish
and
and
to
do
so
with
some
some
accountability,
and
I
think
that
that's
what
eden
has
the
potential
to
do.
B
B
A
B
A
Specifically
devs
how
many
roughly.
A
A
B
It
comes
down
to
autonomy
of
the
developer.
Is
the
developer
choosing
the
task
they're
working
on?
Are
they
passionate
about
the
tests
they
work
on?
Do
they
have
the
ability
to
publish?
Do
they
have
the
ability
to
cooperate
with
people
that
maybe
aren't
getting
paid
to
do
so,
the
more
autonomy
you
give
people
the
more
productive
they
can
be?
It
might
be
a
little
chaotic.
There
might
be
redundant
work
and
so
forth.
B
When
you
have
a
big
organization,
that's
trying
to
create
a
coherent
product,
that's
managed
to
particular
schedules
and
deliverables,
and
and
sprints
and
public
communication
standards
and
documentation
stands
all
these
things
can
really
slow
down
development
compared
to
even
one
dev
free
reign.
There's
a
dev.
B
You
know
a
single
dev
can
completely
build
a
functional
prototype
of
voice
in
three
months,
one
dev
three
months
right
steam,
it
two
or
three
devs
built
a
functional
social
media
platform
in
just
a
couple
of
months.
Devs
can
be
incredibly
productive.
If
you
don't
have
the
layers
and
layers
of
bureaucracy
on
top
and
the
more
professional
you
try
to
get
the
more
you
try
to
get
into
a
product
pipeline.
That
has
a
particular
release
date
and
regulations,
and
all
these
other
business
concerns
those
things
just
add
overhead.
That
slows
things
down.
B
B
Has
these
challenges
associated
with
it,
and
I
think
that
a
a
community
that
is
has
10
autonomous
teams
of
five
is
better
than
one
community
with
one
company
with
50
employees
or
50
devs,
and
so
what
I
would
want
to
do
is
empower
the
great
mass
team,
the
diffuse
team,
the
hyperion
team,
the
and
I
guess
the
prediction
market
right,
iq
and
and
atomic
assets,
and
all
these
other
d5
projects
these
all
these
have
lots
of
teams
and
if
we
go,
if
we
seated
those
teams
with
a
little
extra
money
collectively,
the
total
output
of
that
would
be
evolved
much
much
faster
but
in
unpredictable
ways
compared
to
a
centralized
company.
A
We
see
a
lot
of
innovation
in
polka
dot,
so
web3
foundation
gives
out
grants
like
candy
30k
grants
to
so
many
different
teams
and
a
lot
of
what
they're
building
might
turn
into
nothing.
But
some
of
it
will
be
great,
like
plug-ins
or
modules
that
other
people
could
build
upon
and
it
it's
it's
working
over
there
like
there's
people
using
other
tools
that
were
built
through
grants
and
it's
I.
I
think
it
would
build
a
strong
ecosystem
and
this
would
be
doing
it
in
a
more
decentralized
way
than
through,
like
web
3
foundation.
B
You
can
easily
spend
thirty
thousand
dollars
just
doing
due
diligence
with
your
legal
team
right
and
then
there's
only
so
much
bandwidth
that
you
can
use
at
upper
management
to
evaluate
all
the
projects
and
and
then
how
well
can
you
delegate
authority
down
to
allow
people
to
fund
things
without
getting
abused
right
and
so
there's
all
these
things
that
come
into
play.
B
Nobody
knows
everything,
that's
worth
funding
and,
and
so
that's
the
power
of
eden
is
to
get
grants
into
as
many
hands
as
possible
and
the
and
then
everyone
who
receives
a
grant
they
come
together
and
they
have
to
pick
someone
to
receive
a
bigger
grant
right,
and
so
you
have.
B
The
best
of
people's
ideas
have
to
agree
on
who
has
the
best
idea,
yeah
and
so
on,
and
the
in
that
way
lots
of
things
can
happen
and
which
way
it
evolves.
I
don't
know,
I
just
know
that
the
more
eyes
you
have,
the
more
wisdom
of
the
crowds
you
can
tap
the
better,
the
final
result
will
be
and
the
more
organic
the
final
result
will
be
so.
A
Sounds
like
both
of
these
initiatives
and
the
eden
initiative
and
then
the
grant
portal
that
we
discussed
yesterday
on
similar
timelines
you're,
both
saying
a
couple
of
months,
eve
said:
mid,
q3,
potentially
and
you're
saying
in
a
couple
of
months,
so
I've
always
found
sentiments
and
communities
the
best
when
there's
something
like
on
the
horizon,
to
look
forward
to
that's
why
b1
june
was
so
successful.
It
gave
us
months
of.
I
can't
wait
to
go
to
this
global
party.
A
It's
going
to
be
great
and
it
probably
created
too
much
excitement
and
expectations,
but
that's
always
the
best
time.
It's
when
you're
the
happiest.
You
have
a
vacation
to
look
forward
to
in
the
future
and
right
now
we
have
two
really
fruitful
things
on
the
horizon
this
year.
How
do
you
guys
and
maybe
I'll
ask
eve,
because
I
think
it's
your
turn
to
talk,
but
how
do
you
see
the
grant
portal
and
eden
coexisting
and
like
what
would
the
differences
be
based
on
your
understanding
of
eden,
because
I
know
you
understand
what
you
built.
C
Yeah,
it's
a
really
good
question.
We
actually
we
were
talking
about
that
yesterday,
so
because
people
asked
right
away,
aren't
these
in
direct
competition?
Are
you
guys
going
to
be
fighting?
No?
Why
why?
Why
do
people
assume
right
away
that
this
is
going
to
be
negative?
Why
can't
both
coexist
and
why
wouldn't
both
be
targeting
essentially
have
different
outputs,
because
they're
targeted
in
a
way
to
different
types
of
people
or
different
types
of
projects?
C
I
see
eden,
especially
if
we're
talking
about
let's
say
in
a
one
year
time
lap,
I
see
even
more
of
as
an
ongoing
funding
with
much
larger
funding
than
the
crowdfunding
platform,
which
will
be
more
of
a
one-off
funding
and
short-term
injections.
So
if
you
were,
let's
take
an
example
of
of
dan
mentioned,
we
need
a
network
of
api
nodes
all
around
the
globe
and
they
need
to
be
very,
very
reliable.
Well,
you
don't
want
apis
that
perhaps
might
have
funding
for
the
next
two
months
and
then
no
longer
have
funding
after
three
months.
C
That
needs
to
be
more
of
a
base:
inflation,
ongoing
funding.
You
don't
want
the
team
to
have
to
justify
every
couple
of
months
and
to
go
raise
funds
from
the
community
to
be
able
to
do
that
completely
different
thing,
whereas,
for
example,
you
might
have
an
ejection
for
a
particular,
let's
say
eos
marketplace,
for
example,
might
say
we
need
a
certain
amount
of
funds
and
so
we're
going
to
go
in
this
crowdfunding
platform.
C
We
do
have
a
big
community
again,
because
the
quadratic
formula,
the
quadratic
funding
and
quadratic
formula,
essentially
the
power
of
more
people,
need
funding
for
a
certain
thing,
but
we're
really
independent.
We
don't
need
ongoing
funding,
but
we
want
a
cash
injection
and
we
want
to
put
it
up
to
the
people
as
to
whether
or
not
they
agree,
whereas
this
one
eden
you're
putting
up
to
nine
other
people,
and
then
it
is
a
political
process.
This
one
is
more
so
there's
a
matching
pool,
but
it's
also
a
contribution
directly
from
the
community.
C
A
C
Yeah,
so
I
see
people
from
eden
in
order
to
get,
for
example,
up
and
one
of
the
promises
that
they
can
do
and
one
of
the
things
they
could
do
is
we're
going
to
send
the
matching
pool
whatever
the
round
is
we're
going
to
match
that
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we're
gonna
do
I
don't
see
the
opposite
so
much
happening,
but
I
do
see
because
the
amounts
just
won't
be
enough
or
consistent
enough
because
of
the
timelines.
But
I
do
see
eden
people
saying
hey.
C
I've
got
a,
I
think
the
largest
budget
for
the
top
is
10
million.
No,
what's
the
largest
one,
the
10
million
in
total,
but
the
largest
one
is
about.
C
C
000
I'm
putting
50
000
in
the
matching
pool
and
putting
150
000
in
the
matching
pool,
and
that's
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
doing
with
the
funds
that
I
receive
under
my
purview.
So
I
think
they'll
work
really
really
well
together.
A
I
I
think
another
thing
it'll
do
is
so
I
was
just
going
to
say,
like
both
ideas
are
great,
it's
even
greater
than
having
it
at
the
same
time,
because
for
the
last
three
years,
there's
been
one
income
source
for
the
entire
network
and
that's
been
the
block
producer
inflation
and
because
of
the
last
year,
the
way
the
rewards
have
worked.
Even
the
bps
aren't
really
making
that
much
money.
A
A
Can
actu
like
a
lot
of
people,
have
other
jobs
or
other
things
that
they
do
so
maybe
they
could
apply
through
the
grant
portal
for
an
initial
funding,
and
it
just
so
happens
to
time
up
with
the
next
political
playoff,
so
that
they're
positioning
themselves
to
be
available
to
put
in
the
hours
and
dedication
to
the
political
playoff,
because
that's
one
of
the
limitations
that
I
see
is
how
many
people
actually
have
the
motivation
to
do
it
the
time
to
do
it,
the
focus
to
do
it,
let
alone
the
influence
to
be
able
to
get
through
the
rounds,
but
I
think
that's
secondary
to
just
getting
people
to
show
up
in
the
first
place,
because
I
think
for
this
to
work.
A
A
Whenever
you,
you
expand
the
group
to
thousands
what
other
ideas
are
there
to
facilitate
this
with
everyone's
busy
schedules
like
how
many
people
out
there
are
do
we
have
thousands
of
people
that
could
dedicate
hours
and
hours
each?
How
many.
B
B
Time
announce
before
the
election
even
starts,
and
then
people
there's
another
source
of
funding
here
in
order
to
participate
in
eden.
You
have
to
put
some
money
in
right,
so
it's
not
all
coming
from
inflation
because
the
money
gives
you
skin
in
the
game.
It
proves
that
you're
contributing
and
that
then
you're
going
to
have
some
say
over
where
this
money
is
spent.
So
people
haven't
once
they
put
their
money
in
they're,
going
to
show
up
because
otherwise
they're
wasting
their
money.
A
B
You
can
control
the
size
of
the
groups,
there's
other
things
you
can
do
to
kind
of
manage
at
a
smaller
scale
and
then
grow.
What
we
don't
want
to
do
is
say:
hey
everybody
just
come
and
participate,
but
no
skin
in
the
game.
That's
not
what
we
want.
We
want
active
people
that
want
to
participate
in
governance
that
want
to
have
influence,
and
I
think
that
there
are
a
thousand
people
that
we
can
recruit.
B
That
would
be
interested
in
this,
and
that
would
just
be
a
starting
point
and
if
it
works,
more
people
will
show
up
and-
and
I
think
that
it's
just
it's
about
growing
organically
instead
of
growing
for
growth's
sake.
Instead
of
just
saying,
hey,
everybody
come
and
just
get
a
mass
number
of
people.
That's
not
good!
You
want
to
manage
the
culture
and
grow
organically,
so
people
understand
the
values
and
understand
what
it
is
they're
involved
in,
because
if
they
don't,
then
it's
going
to
degrade
very
quickly.
A
I
think
if
we
get
a
thousand
people
it
would.
That
would
probably
be
the
minimum
number
just
to
distribute
everyone
in
the
first
round,
because
whenever
I
think
of
if
it
was
like
the
group
that
was
there
at
b1
june,
there's
like
a
picture
of
everyone
on
stage
together,
and
these
are
like
the
people
that
I
would
expect
to
want
to
do.
This
they'd
have
the
time
the
dedication
to
do
it
and
if
I
was
in
a
group
with
any
three
or
four
of
them,
it'd
be
a
really
really
tough
decision
to
make.
B
So
maybe,
even
if
you
don't
win,
there's
other
people
out
there
that
will
represent.
I
will
support
this
person
vote
for
me
and
if,
if
he
gets
voted
out,
then
I'm
going
to
support
his
cause
and
that's
going
to
be
their
platform.
Their
platform
is
going
to
be
supporting
you
and
the
thing
about
political
playoffs.
It's
designed
intentionally
to
prevent
incumbents
from
getting
advantage.
There's
a
chance.
I
won't
make
it
out
of
the
first
10.
B
right
I
get
put
in
a
group
that
either
randomly
has
people
not
show
up
or
randomly
it
has
three
people
that
really
hate
me
for
some
reason
I
could
be
out
and
that's
a
feature
not
a
bug,
because
if
that
wasn't
the
case,
then
I
would
be
the
new
leading
political
oligarchy
and.
A
B
Wouldn't
necessarily
be
represented,
the
people
be
dan's
chain.
This
is
about
creating
a
system
that
is
actually
represented.
The
people
now,
if
I
got
voted
out,
other
people
would
say
hey.
I
really
like
where
dana
has
to
say
if
dan
gets
voted
out,
I'm
going
to
I'm
going
to
support
what
he's
doing,
yeah
and
so
forth,
and
so
there's
that
creates
checks
and
balances
in
the
power.
B
And
that's
you
know
I
one
of
the
things
I
mentioned
in
my
book
is:
we
can't
allow
the
end
result
not
necessarily
being
what
we
would
want
to
judge
the
means
by
which
we
got
there.
The
means
have
to
justify
themselves
because
the
means
are
all
there
is
the
end
is,
is
always
changing,
but
the
means
are
constant,
so
the
means
justify
themselves
and
then,
if
we
can
agree
to
that,
then
we
can
agree
to
whatever
outcome.
I
can
say
yeah,
I
didn't
win,
that's
fine!
B
I
can
still
support
whoever
did
win
and
if
it
really
goes
south
and
it
doesn't
work,
then
I
you
know
you
leave
the
community
and
that's
fine.
B
So
that's
the
that's
the
potential
that
eden
has
and
I'm
really
excited
that
we
can
introduce
a
new
level
of
decentralization,
a
new
level
of
political,
decentralization,
that's
unique
in
the
blockchain
industry
and
I
think
uniqueness
and
innovation
do
carry
a
lot
of
weight
in
the
cryptocurrency
space
and
if
people
see
the
community
being
positive,
being
well
governed
dealing
with
bad
actors
in
a
way
that
they
can
believe
in.
I
think
we'll
see
a
lot
of
growth.
I
think
you
know
when
we
originally
announced
the
eos.
B
It
was
supposed
to
be
the
governed
blockchain.
A
lot
of
people
signed
up
for
the
belief
in
the
governance
and
that
governance
kind
of
disappeared
or
went
into
the
background
eden
kind
of
brings
it
back
with
a
with
a
new
light
as
a
new
way
of
achieving
it.
And
I
think
that
that's
going
to
attract
a
lot
of
people
who
want
to
see
good
governance
in
action.
A
B
A
A
B
Wasn't
people
didn't
believe
in
the
process
and
how
it
came
to
be
so
all
those
things
conspired
against
it,
and
then
there
was
a
little
bit
of
a
sloppy
execution
early
on,
but
I
think
that
going
going
forward
with
eden
people
can
buy
in
it
actually
is
a
process
that
people
can
believe
in
they
opt
into
it.
They
put
their
own
money
on
the
line.
I
think
that
it
has
potential
to
do
a
lot
of
good
and
demonstrate
the
power
of
the
eos
community
and
create
something
unique
in
the
space.
A
And
so
with
the
first
one
being
not
really
any
software
at
all,
it
will
take,
and
even
with
the
software,
it
still
takes
a
whole
lot
of
human
coordination.
Are
you
playing
to
take
on
that
burden
or
yes,.
A
A
B
It's
it's.
It's
happening,
it's
going
to
happen
and
I'm
excited
to
see
some
just
the
engagement
of
people
working
full-time
voluntarily.
To
make
this
happen.
This
is
outside
of
the
team.
I've
hired
to
to
build
caps.
So
this
is
this
is
huge
and
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
buy-in
from
the
community
on
the
eos
community.org
website.
B
There's
something
like
80
percent
worked
for
it.
Eleven
percent
said:
maybe
they
support,
and
only
two
or
three
percent
were
against
this
general
direction.
I've
never
seen
something,
and
this
is
with
hundreds
of
votes.
So
there's
a
lot
of
belief
in
the
in
the
potential
of
this
new
governance
paradigm.
A
C
Questions
no,
I
was
I
was
just
because
I
want
you
to
hear
noise
in
the
background
again,
but
I
had
a
question
so
when
do
you
think
you're
going
to
propose
the
first
dan
larimer
msig
on
eos
main
net,
then.
B
I'm
working
with
some
people
about
setting
up
a
proxy,
so
that's
one
element
that
I'm
considering
getting
involved
in
that
way.
But
yeah
we'll
see.
B
Sure
sure
I
don't
want
to
have
any,
I
want
to
build
and
deliver
eden
before
the
community
hands
over
funds.
So
what
I
proposed
was
that
my
team
would
build
it
and
then,
if
community
approves,
then
the
funds
could
be
allocated
to
to
if
we
wanted
to
build
a.
If
you
want
to
do
it
manually,
say
the
first
round
and
we
have
multi-sig
we're
going
to
do
it
offline.
B
I
haven't
quite
figured
out
how
that
would
go
since
we're
just
starting
this
conversation,
but
I
think
that
we
could
absolutely
do
it
much
faster
than
many
people
would
think.
The
main
thing
is:
if,
if
you
tell
me
the
rest
of
the
blog
producers
are
online
and
ready
to
support
this.
This
concept,
we
could
have
a
very
interesting
summer.
A
It's
exciting,
so
I
think
we've
covered
all
of
the
planned
topics.
I
think
now
is
the
point
where,
like
eve,
if
you
have
just
random
questions
or
dan,
you
have
random
questions
for
eve,
because
you
could
speak
up
for
a
lot
of
the
block
producers
in
some
ways.
I
have
a
question
to
just
clear
something
up
for
the
community
that
it's
just
been
confused
on.
You
are
probably
one
of
the
people
that
are
most
knowledgeable
to
speak
to
it.
A
How
would
you
describe
the
ideal
relationship
between
the
eos
public
network
and
block
one,
and
what
should
everyone's
expectations
actually
be?
In
your
opinion,
your
personal
opinion.
B
Yeah,
the
expectation
between
eos
and
block
one
should
be
the
same
as
telos
and
block
one
or
wax
and
block
one
or
verbally
block
one
or
any
of
the
other
eosio
chains
in
block
one.
The
fact
that
eos
is
called
eos
and
block
one
called
their
tokens
distribution
eos
that
we
should
should
separate
that
concept
and
that's
a
good
thing
for
the
community
to
separate
eos
and
the
eos
project
launched
by
community
members
without
block
one
guiding
the
launch.
B
The
community
needs
to
own
what
they
launched
and
created
and
block
one
is
there
to
provide
support
and
bug
fixes
and
security
updates.
I
I
know
that
you
know
when
researchers
find
a
security
hole,
they
tell
block
one
block.
One
pays
bounties
and
coordinates
with
block
producers
behind
the
scenes
to
roll
out
patches
to
make
sure
that
if
problems
are
found,
it's
they're
solved
before
anyone
can
can
exploit
them,
and
I
I
can
see
blackman
con
continuing
to
be
involved
in
that
way.
B
I
could
also
see
block
one
participating
in
eden
or
some
of
these
other
things
if
it
was
in
their
business
interests,
but
we
need
to
view
block
one
as
block
one
is
not
eos
block
one's
business
is
not
eos.
They've
got
a
large
stake,
they
wanted
ceos
to
be
successful.
I
know
they
want
us
to
be
successful,
but
they
need
eos
to
be
successful
kind
of
on
its
own
instead
of
as
a
dependent
of
block
one.
So
the
healthiest
thing
the
community
could
do
is
to
welcome
everything.
B
I
know
that
blog
ones
work
on
some
really
cool
stuff
that
can
benefit
the
network,
but
that's
they're,
just
like
every
other
company
out
there
that's
building
on
eos.
They
happen
to
have
a
lot
of
money,
but
lots
of
companies
integrate
with
eos
and
have
lots
of
money,
whether
it's
coinbase
or
various
exchanges.
These
are
all
businesses
with
assets
that
are
integrated
with
eos,
and
I
think
that
that's
kind
of
how
you
have
to
view
block
one.
A
So
that
was
the
other
thing,
so
whenever
we
talked
about
making
eos
great
again
and
when
it
wasn't
so
great
for
a
period
of
time,
one
of
the
things
that
set
expectations
were
some
of
the
things
mentioned
at
b1
june.
As
far
as
deploying
things
to
eos
giving
away
free
eos
accounts.
A
Do
you
think
that
those
expectations
were
wrong
to
believe
that,
and
do
you
think
we
should
hang
on
to
like?
A
We
talked
today
a
lot
about
letting
go
of
the
past
and
moving
forward
and
focusing
on
the
positive
and
the
way
to
do
that
is
to
let
go
and
realize
that
things
may
have
changed
due
to
some
sort
of
pivot
or
something
that
we
we
aren't
aware
of
like
what
should
the
community's
expectations
be
based
on
your
own
knowledge
of,
like
the
free
eos
accounts
and
the
deploying
to
any
anything
to
the
the
mainnet
and
things
like
that,
is
that
past
expectations.
B
When
I
was
there,
they
were
still
talking
about
it,
so
it's
not
like
they've
ruled
it
out,
but
there's
lots
of
variables
whether
voice
or
bullish,
end
up
enabling
free
eos
accounts
is
to
be
determined.
I
don't
know
what
their
plan
is
and
the
plans
can
change.
B
So
I
can't
I
can't
speak
to
what
to
expect
from
block
one
other
than
to
say
that
the
people
at
block
one
are
they
mean
well,
and
they
want
eos
to
be
successful
and
they're,
trying
to
figure
out
the
best
business
case
to
make
it
sustainable
and
justifiable
right,
very
business
they're
in
it
to
make
money.
It's
not
a
a
charity
to
to
pump
eos
bags.
B
They
need
a
sustainable
business
model
that
is
safe
with
the
regulators
that
there's
a
lot
of
factors
going
on
at
block
one,
and
it
doesn't
help
us-
and
you
know,
as
a
community,
I'm
viewing
myself
as
a
doesn't
matter.
B
B
That's
just
walking
around
all
day
saying:
woe
is
me:
when
are
they
going
to
do
something
being
bitter
about
what
didn't
happen
in
the
past,
demanding
something
to
happen
in
the
future
that
you
have
no
control
over
making?
And
you
can't
make
them
do
anything
and
so
you're
just
wasting
all
this
energy
stewing
and
whatnot?
That's
not
productive
for
the
community
that
doesn't
create
a
community
that
other
people
want
to
join
right.
B
Are
you
going
to
want
to
come
into
a
community
where
everyone's,
like
man,
these
people,
they
have
all
this
money
they're
not
doing
what
we
want
them
to
do
and
gum
will
go.
People
are
going
to
leave
they're
not
going
to
sign
up.
If
that's
the
attitude
within
the
community,
so
the
more
we
can
you
know,
even
if
you
think
that
block
one
should
have
done
something
that
you
think
that
they're.
C
B
For
what
they
did,
there's
there's
a
point
in
time
where
forgiveness
and
forget
is
actually
the
best
policy,
even
if
you've
been
wronged,
and
even
if
that's,
what
you
believe
is
is
the
situation.
B
So
I'm
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
relate
to
each
other
and
everyone
in
the
community,
whether
it's
block
producers
or
block
one
or
exchanges
that
are
supposedly
evil
and
voting
with
users.
Tokens
right
all
these
people
that
we've
demonized
and
blamed
for
for
our
failures
are
blamed
for
the
reason
why
we've
got
to
let
go
of
all
that
because
that's
just
going
to
divide
us
and
we're
not
going
to
get
to
go
where
we
want
to
go.
B
So
that's
that's
my
take
on
what
to
expect
from
block
one.
Don't
expect
anything,
but
don't
don't
feel
sad
about
it
either.
A
C
Yeah,
well
maybe
maybe
there's
some
questions
in
the
chat.
I
saw
some
some
people
asking
questions
earlier.
I'd
need
to
scroll
back
up,
but
let
me
just
scan
quickly
if
there's
anything.
C
A
So
it's
just
to
kind
of
lock
in
a
price
with
the
expectations.
B
Yeah,
it's
hedging
the
the
cost
of
ram
when
we're
gonna
get
a
lot
of
voice
users
on
eos.
That
was
that
was
the
idea.
B
My
take
is,
you
know,
eventually,
we'll
need
ram
on
eos
for
whatever
product
we
needed
and
we
might
as
well
hedge
our
bets,
particularly
when
we
knew
that
the
b1
june
announcement
was
gonna
come
on
and
we
needed
to
secure
resources
before
the
resources
got
even
more
expensive,
which
might
have
hindered
the
business
opportunity.
A
And
I
guess
to
just
recap:
what
we've
been
talking
about,
this
entire
time
is
so
up
until
now.
Basically,
we've
had
the
token
holder
consensus
where
a
lot
of
people
felt
unempowered.
If
you
don't
have
millions
of
tokens,
you
don't
really
have
a
say.
So
what
what
is
being
proposed
here
is
essentially
a
dual
governance
ecosystem,
like
two
balances
of
power.
In
a
way
is
that,
like
a
fair
way
of
describing
this
is
that
you
have
a
democracy
and
a
plutocracy
with
the
token
weight.
B
Well,
the
power
still
remains
the
same.
It's
still
token
holders
electing
block
producers
and
block
producers
choosing
how
to
allocate
inflation,
to
which
thousands
and
the
like,
but
the
power
doesn't
change,
but
it's
possible
that
in
the
future
the
power
could
change
if,
if
it
makes
sense,
one
of
the
great.
C
B
Because
you
can
use
the
eden
process
to
select
block
producers
and
the
block
producers
can
operate
the
network
and
then
the
network
can
have
tokens
or
not
have
tokens,
but
that's
just
an
app
that
happens
to
run
on
the
community's
network.
You
don't
need
to
have
any
stakeholder
to
stick
with
voting
at
all.
B
It's
and
it's
still
decentralized.
So
that's
that's
the
real
potential
of
what
eden
could
become.
B
I'm
not
advocating
that
now
I
don't
want
the
block
producers
to
get
scared
to
say:
that's,
that's
where
this
is
going
because
they
have
the
power
they
would
have
to
yield
that
power
and
believe
that
was
better
for
them
in
the
long
run,
and
it
could
be
better
for
them
in
the
long
run,
because,
right
now
the
block
producers
are
competing
for
votes
and
vote
buybacks,
but
maybe
under
an
eating
governance
they
could
have
a
more
profitable
support
from
yeah
without
all
the
other
games
going
on
right.
B
So
I'm
not
saying
that's
going
to
happen,
I'm
not
saying
it
won't
happen,
but
there's
potential
here
to
have
a
new
consensus,
algorithm,
that's
above
and
beyond
any,
unlike
anything
else
in
the
ecosystem.
At
this
time
a
token
free
consensus,
algorithm.
C
Have
to
keep
muting
myself
because
there's
noise
in
the
background,
I'm
not
not
trying
to
engage.
No,
I
I
agree
with
them.
Actually,
the
one
part
I
disagree
is,
I
think
it
actually
does
start
the
process
of
transferring
power
over
ever
so
slightly
for
sure-
and
I
agree
with
that-
I'm
okay
with
that.
There's
no
problem
with
that
and,
as
we
add,
perhaps
other
dow,
so
number
one.
Let's
start
with
one
as
we
add
more
essentially,
we
are.
We
are
it's
not
the
same
as
delegating
power
away
we're
or
empowering
others.
C
B
A
C
So
there's
it's
not
just
theoretical
there's
an
economic
power
that
comes
associated
to
that
to
that
process
as
well,
where
I
think
it
will
be
interesting
to
see
is
whether
or
not
we
replicate
what
existed
after
mainnet
launch
so
after
midnight
launch
the
system
that
currently
exists
wasn't
there
before
it
took
about
a
year
and
a
half
for
for
that
to
start
happening
so
for
the
year
and
a
half
did
we
really
have
a
system
in
place
that
was
so
fruitful
and
that
encouraged
development
and
that
actually
brought
value
to
the
project
while
in
a
lot
of
metrics?
C
That
was
not
the
case.
We
saw
that
if,
if
we
just
look
at
the
token
price,
the
token
price
kept
going
down,
so
that's
not
necessarily
different.
Was
community
sentiment
better
yes,
but
was
it
only
because
of
that?
Well,
no,
because
there
was
also
block
one
more
in
the
mix
and
there
was
the
hope
of
b12
that
type
of
thing.
So
I'm
I'm
interested
to
see
how
much
optimism
will
come
back.
I
think
that's
definitely
going
to
be
a
higher
return
on
investment.
Definitely
high.
Definitely.
B
First,
sign
that
something
something's
going
to
change
in
in
the
community
and
yeah.
I
am
very
pleasantly
surprised
at
how
productive
the
block
producers
have
been
that
I've
talked
to
so
I'm
more
optimistic
than
ever.
I
I'm
glad
that
the
community
seems
to
be
embracing
the
ideas,
because
I
think
it'll
actually
help,
and
this
is
going
to
be
a
very
exciting
year
for
eos.
A
All
right,
so
I
guess
every
we
can
start
wrapping
up
unless
you
guys
have
anything
else.
I
know
just
want
to
add.
A
What
what's
what
should
the
expectations
be
for
like
the
the
short
term
here,
and
that
this
goes
for
both
of
you
guys
like
what
do
you
have
going
on
like
dan
you're?
You?
Maybe
you
could
plug
your
monday,
calls
on
telegram
and
everything
else
that
I
guess
you're
working
on,
that
we
could
expect
to
see
over
the
next
couple
of
weeks
or
months.
Yeah.
B
B
Just
signing
up
is
a
show
of
support,
a
belief,
a
show
of
numbers,
the
more
accounts
we
get
there,
the
the
better
and
then
now
I'm
going
to
be
posting
updates
and
design
documents
and
discussions
on
eoscommunity.org,
and
so
that's
a
great
way
to
get
involved,
and
it's
really
really
powerful
to
have
these
discussions
in
a
place
that
google
can
search
them.
We
can
search
them
and
so
forth
and
that's
free
from
a
lot
of
the
trolls
that
you
would
have
on
other
social
media
platforms.
A
B
To
put
any
effort
to
get
involved,
there's
a
lot
more
policing
that
is
necessary,
but
when
people
put
the
effort
to
create
an
account
and
sign
up
to
the
forms
and
engage
on
the
forums,
that's
the
real
community.
That's
the
active
community!
That's
a
sign
of
the
number
of
people
that
might
be
willing
to
participate
in
something
like
eden,
but
please
sign
up
at
eoscommunity.org
and
and
that
would
be
the
start
and
you
can
follow.
What's
going
on
and
participate
in
the
discussions.
A
All
right-
and
I
I
can't
remember
if
I
said
this
before
the
caller
during
the
live
stream,
but
dan
you're,
like
the
only
person,
that's
been
able
to
drive
the
community
away
from
telegram.
No
one
like
like
the
fact
that
you
were
able
to
bring
the
community
together
in
the
last
just
couple
of
weeks,
you're
also
the
only
person
that
has
been
able
to
get
people
to
do
long-form
communication,
which
is
something
that's
just
been
lacking
for
a
long
time
like
you
with
telegram
only
you
just
lose
so
many
like.
B
Conversations
over
and
over
again
and
it's
hard
to
search
and
there's
lots
of
noise
of
people
chiming
in
and
posting
memes
and
talking
price
and
whatnot
long
form
allows
us
to
organize
discussions
around
particular
ideas
that
can
really
facilitate
consensus.
Building,
whereas
telegram
is,
is
better
for
relationship
building.
I
think
that's
probably
the
way
of
of
thinking
about.
B
I
go
to
telegram
when
I
went
to
to
negotiate
and
back
and
forth
conversations
with
people
when
you
want
to
communicate
with
all
the
people
and
give
road
maps,
and
let
people
give
insights,
that's
where
eos
community.org
can
really
shine,
and
so
that'll
be
good.
I've
got
to
go
here
before
my
headset
dies,
so.
A
C
That's
what
we've
brought
to
the
table
from
day
one
and
we
are
in
a
position
of
power,
we're
in
a
position
of
power
to
be
able
to
bring
the
other
block
producers
in
consensus
with
the
people
that
dan
is
working
with,
which
he's
brought
in
consensus,
and
I
think
that
if,
if
we
actually
take
a
step
back
and
we
look
at
dan's
previous
projects,
this
was
one
of
the
points
in
time
that
has
occurred
on
two
separate
occasions
in
the
past
and
in
both
times
concessions
consensus
was
not
reached,
and
I
do
strongly
believe
and
I'm
working
towards
ensuring
that
that
does
not
replay
that
this
time,
the
community
and
the
people
with
the
tokens
do
come
in
consensus,
move
forward
together
to
build
that
better
system
and
to
build
a
stronger,
sustainable,
long-term
growth
system,
and
I
actually
see
that
it's
going
to
happen
it.
B
I
believe
it
too,
so
the
eos
community
has
been
it's
just
a
great
community.
I
love
all
the
people
that
I
meet
and
engage,
and
so
I
just
want
to
thank
everyone
for
making
us
what
it
is
and
to
continue
to
develop
on
it
and
we're
going
to
have
some
really
exciting
things
that
I
think
are
going
to
start
coming
out
of
the
community
over
the
course
of
the
next
year.
So
it's
a
whole
new
network.