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From YouTube: Everything EOS #17: Lumeos (DApp Spotlight)
Description
Everything EOS is a weekly podcast from ICO Alert that follows the EOS ecosystem: dApp spotlights, VC partnerships, announcements, and more!
DApp Spotlight Guest: Lumeos
Website: www.lumeos.io
A
Welcome
everyone
to
a
special
bonus
episode
of
everything:
yes,
I'm,
Zack,
Gaul
and
I
see
Oh
data
analyst
at
ICO
alert
the
trusted
ICO
discovery
platform.
We've
received
tons
of
feedback
asking
us
to
bring
on
more
guests
to
the
show,
so
I
hope
you
all
enjoy
this.
One
I
hope
to
continue
to
do
more
bonus
episodes
like
this
one
each
week
in
addition
to
the
weekly
news,
recaps
that
I've
been
doing
with
Rob
Finch
for
about
the
last
five
months.
A
For
this
week's
bonus
episode,
I
sat
down
with
the
founder
and
CEO
of
an
es
project
called
Lumias
I
first
learned
about
lumiose
through
others
from
their
head
of
social
marketing,
Doug
Aronson
I'd
known
Doug.
For
about
a
year
now,
since
the
summer
of
2017,
we
used
to
be
community
admins
for
the
identity
platform
civic.
So
when
Doug
had
mentioned
that
he
was
working
on
a
new
iOS
project
called
lumiose
I.
Let
him
know
I
wanted
to
start
bringing
on
more
guests.
So
he
got
me
in
touch
with
Allie
is
their
CEO
and
Founder?
A
Lumi
has
just
launched
her
beta
application
a
few
days
ago
on
August
1st.
You
can
still
sign
up
to
be
a
beta
tester.
You
can
go
to
their
website.
Lumiose
do
lumiose
they'll,
be
doing
an
initial
air
token
airdrop
to
the
beta
testers
and
then
they're,
eventually
going
to
airdrop
to
awliyas
token
holders
as
well
and
I
just
want
to
remind
everyone
to
please
continue
to.
Let
us
know
your
thoughts
on
the
show
by
liking,
subscribing
or
leaving
comments
on
YouTube,
iTunes
or
SoundCloud.
A
We
read
all
of
your
messages
and
appreciate
all
of
the
feedback
you
provide
now
without
further
ado.
This
is
everything.
Yes
all
right,
I'm
here
today
with
Holly
ouch,
the
CEO
and
founder
of
lumiose
who's,
building
a
adapt
on
Neos.
Why
don't
you
introduce
yourself
to
our
audience
and
tell
them
a
little
bit
about
your
project?
Hey.
B
A
B
A
A
A
With
the
experience
building
a
pretty
major
project
on
aetherium
and
now
you're
building
on
EOS
I
saw
you
have
some
YouTube
videos,
where
you're
kind
of
explaining
the
differences
between
the
two.
So
what
are
some
of
the
disadvantages
are
not
disadvantage
of
some
of
the
weaknesses
of
aetherium
that
and
some
of
the
problems
you
couldn't
solve.
That
led
you
down
down
the
path
to
finding
years
and
deciding
to
build
your
next
big
project
on
e,
yes,
yeah.
B
So
I
guess
from
a
like
a
developer
perspective
and
with
aetherium
you
have
to
count.
You
have
to
take
so
many
things
into
consideration
that
you
wouldn't
usually
do
if
you're
building
something
like
in
the
cloud
or
an
it
like
a
regular,
centralized
cloud-based
system,
for
instance,
when
you
deploy
something
when
you
deploy
your
application,
your
users
in
order
to
interact
with
your
smart
contract
through
your
application.
There
is
this
concept
of
a
gas
cost.
B
Where
you
need
to
be
connected
to
the
blockchain,
you
send
a
transaction,
you
need
to
pay
for
it
and
then
expense
in
a
sense
and
the
fact
it
comes
from
the
fact
that
aetherium
is
mostly
transactional
and
move
for
move
on
to
the
EOS
blockchain.
The
paradigm
kind
of
is
different.
That
developer
pays
ahead
of
time
for
their
users,
meaning
that's
what
the
concept
of
staking
or
staking
is
in
order
to
get
to
RAM
to
power
your
your
dub
on
iOS.
B
So
that,
in
a
sense
changes
the
UX
from
from,
like
the
traditional
aetherium
UX
into
the
eoseo
x,
where
the
it's
very
familiar
to
the
user,
the
way
like
how
to
use
a
decentralized
application
on
a
OS
which
is
huge
because
our
goal
is
to
become
mainstream
because
I
get
to
have
all
the
users
out
there,
and
for
that
they
we
don't
want
to
teach
them
something
new
instead,
just
give
them
something
familiar
and
be
able
to
get
them
more
interested
in
the
blockchain.
That's
one
of
the
reasons.
B
The
other
reason
is
mostly
of
scalability
I
know,
I,
know
that
aetherium
is
working
off
a
scalability
of
the
turn
on
number
of
transactions
per
second
to
increase
thousands
in
the
future,
but
for
now
there
there's
a
lot
of
limitations
in
a
theorem
if
you're
trying
to
launch
something
big
and
the
network
can
get
congested
very
easily.
On
the
other
hand,
with
es
you
just
can't
do
it
or
bad
with
state.
Now
you
you
own
some
part
of
the
network,
regardless
of
all
the
other
applications
that
are
running
and
it's
ailable
from
day.
B
One
like
I
think
this
week.
The
number
of
transactions
per
second
has
peaked
at
3,000
for
us,
and
it's
just
slated
to
become
it
just
scales
over
time
without
major
changes
to
the
ecosystem,
which
is
huge
from
coming
from
like
from
Amazon,
which
at
some
some
days
of
the
years
we
reach
millions
and
millions
of
transactions
per
second.
So
it
just
it
just
made
sense
for
me
from
a
scalability
perspective,
to
go
with
the
EOS
ecosystem
for
this
new
project.
So.
A
I
guess
the
core
functionality
of
your
app
from
day
one
is
that
there
will
be
users
taking
polls
and
then
they'll
own
that
data
and
it'll
get
distributed
based
on
different
permissions.
So
an
example
of
a
limitation
of
a
theorem
would
be
if
I
would
take
a
survey
as
an
end.
User
I
would
have
to
pay
gas
to
submit
my
poll
basically
because
I'd
have
to
transmit.
My
response
to
the
blockchain
is
that
mine
on
the
right
track
here.
Yeah.
B
It's
like
one
way,
some
other
ways
I've
seen
developers
do
on
aetherium
is
they
they
have
a
gas
pool
from
the
company
that
pays
for
these
transactions
for
the
users,
but
it's
still
like
yeah
the
interaction
you
have
to
be
logged
in
on
a
website,
and
you
need
to
have
meta,
masks
and
or
and
or
mist,
and
then
you
you
will
be
able
to
interact
with
with
the
actual
application
to
answer
polls.
So
we
wanted
to
go
look
with
a
different
trial.
B
We
wanted
to
build
a
mobile
app,
something
that
that
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
actually
do
effectively
with
aetherium
and
the
current
ecosystem.
I
think
they're
working
on
some
tools
for
it.
But
the
way
we're
doing
it
is
the
mobile
app.
You
will
log
in
using
your
ears
account
and
now
you
tied
in
your
ears,
identity
with
the
data
that
you
provide,
and
then
the
data
that
you
provide
will
live
on
your
phone
and
some
of
it
can
go
to
the
blockchain.
A
B
So
I'm
talking
about
the
users
data,
so
there's
two
kind
of
data
that
we're
talking
about
here.
So
the
users,
personal
information,
anything
personal
will
not
be
owned
by
anyone
other
than
the
user,
so
the
data
would
be
yes,
like
gender
location,
address
date
of
birth
and
like
employer
expertise.
These
kind
of
information
are
user
data
owned
and
they
they
can
and
they
will
not
be
any
and
like
only
the
user
will
have
access
to
it.
There's
the
other
other
data.
B
So
like
we
mentioned,
we
were
launching
a
fowling
application
where
we
just
asked
simple
questions
and
answer,
and
when
the
user
answer
these
questions,
they
can
choose
whether
they
want
their
data
to
also
be
part
of
the
answer.
So
their
personal
data
would
be
anonymized
in
the
end
and
then
it
will
be
encrypted
and
then
it
will
be
stored
on
the
blockchain
as
part
of
the
answer
as
well
of
the
poles,
so
that
that
then
the
full
data,
the
full
result
of
a
poll
will
be
all
like
encrypted
and
anonymize
and
aggregated.
B
B
So
so
the
main
problem
is
today:
we
we
just
we
just
like
share
so
much
data
online,
and
the
fact
is
you:
when
you
share
data
on
a
website,
a
blogging
site,
YouTube
Instagram
and
social
media
you're,
not
owning
you,
don't
own
any
of
the
data
that
you
share.
It's
owned
by
the
companies
that
are
hosting
the
centralized
companies
basically,
and
because
they
own
it,
they
can
dictate
how
much
you
can
make
out
of
it
if
any,
and
how
much
and
and
and
who
has
access
to
it.
B
You
can
control
its
privacy
definitely,
but
there
might
always
be
some
bugs
and
I
guess,
like
the
major
thing
that
that
kind
of
put
this
into
perspective
is
what
happened
with
Cambridge
analytical,
which
is
a
bug
in
Facebook,
allowed
they
app
developer
to
have
access
to
millions
of
users.
Data
would
even,
though
those
people
didn't
actually
share
those
data
with
that
third-party
apps,
so
bugs
can
happen
with
a
blockchain.
We
can
actually
solve
this
issue
from
its
root.
B
A
What
what
is
it,
what
is
the
dollar
value
of
on
something
like
a
Facebook?
What
is
like,
my
personal
data
worth
I
guess,
market
researchers
or
whoever
the
the
people
or
companies
would
be
who'd,
be
interested
in
all
of
this
pull
data
and
analyzing
it.
What
what
is
an
individual's
data
actually
worth
in
dollars
on
the
current
system,
yeah.
B
And
if
you,
if
you
can
talk
about
all
kind
of
online
activity
that
you
do,
that
number
goes
easily
to
like
become
an
in
the
tens
of
thousands
of
dollars
a
year,
and
this
is
kind
of
a
missed
opportunity.
I
mean
for
the
users
who
especially
the
ones
who
are
sharing
viral
content
on
on
social
media
and
whatnot
they're,
not
getting
the
what
they
actually
deserve
from
it.
B
But
the
most
most
important
is
the
fact
that
we
want
to
educate
the
user.
That
data
is
equal
money,
which
is
something
that
we
not
we
not
like.
In
the
Internet
age,
we
were
used
to
just
sharing
any
kind
of
data
without
having
to
worry
about
whether
it's
actually
worth
something.
On
the
other
hand,
this
is
something
as
simple
as
an
email
address
in
marketing.
B
It
has
a
cost
on
it,
because
now
that
is
it's
not
the
fact
that
it's
one
emails,
the
fact
that
the
aggregation
of
so
many
emails
and
being
able
to
target
email.
Anyone
in
like
a
certain
area
is
huge
from
a
marketing
perspective,
and
that's
why
I
like
an
email
address
even
have
its
own
value,
a
dollar
value
associated
with
it.
So.
A
Who
are
the
future
users
on
the
Lumiere's
platform?
Gonna
be
so
you
have
the
end
users
who
are
sharing
their
data,
completing
the
polls,
but
is
there
another
user
type
that's
interested
in
offering
to
purchase
that
data
and
that
that
would
be
paid
for
in
lumiose?
That
would
be
distributed
to
the
pool
takers?
Is
that
how
it
works?
Yeah.
B
So
the
way
we
want
to
start
this
is
users
to
users,
meaning
we're
talking
in
crypto
community
we're
asking
crypto
questions
and
prospective
investors
will
be
interested
to
see
some
of
these
breakdowns
and
they
would
be
interested
in
paying
for
those
answers.
But
in
the
future
we
want
to
expand
this
to
basically
anyone
once
we
come
up
with
some
viral
polls.
B
We
start
working
we're
working
with
advertiser
brokers
in
order
to
basically
allow
to
make
to
tell
them
that
we
have
this
kind
of
data
and
what
kind
of
information
you'd
be
interested
in
in
order
to
pay
for
it.
And
how
much
would
you
pay
for
these
things
and
they
come
through
us?
They
pay
us
whether
it's
in
an
actual
Fiat
or
or
in
cryptocurrency,
and
we
always
do
the
conversion
to
lumiose
at
that
point
and
then
give
the
creator
of
the
pool
something
back.
B
The
participants
on
the
poll
will
give
them
something
and
then
we'll
take
a
small
cup
as
well.
So
that's
like
the
basic
idea
on
the
platform.
There's
the
poll
creator,
the
poll
participants
and
then
the
broker
the
people
who
wants
to
buy
this
data,
whether
they're,
advertisers
or
regular
users
or
small
businesses,
cool.
A
B
We've
been
working
on
this
for
a
few
months
self-funded
we
believe
in
like
so
we
I
noticed
last
year
in
the
blockchain
space,
so
many
I
see
always
got
funded
just
for
writing
a
white
paper.
This
is
not
ideal.
This
is
not
scalable.
We
want
to
go
as
a
traditional
company
like
a
traditional
startup,
come
up
with
an
idea,
build
it
a
quick
prototype,
an
MVP
get
some
users
to
use
it,
get
their
feedback
and
then
go
for
a
funding
stage.
So
that's
why
I
like
at
this
point.
We
have
a
mobile
application.
B
We
have
a
mobile
I,
guess,
decentralized,
application
that
we've
been
testing
internally
and
we're
opening
it
up
for
our
beta
users,
August
1st.
We
have
a
list
of
hundreds
of
users.
We
were
over
500
users
now
who
are
interested
in
testing
out
our
beta
and
giving
us
feedback
throughout
August.
So
yeah
we're
very
excited
about
that.
A
B
B
We
want
to
make
sure
to
like
limited
to
people
like
I'd,
like
to
very
few
small
round,
because
once
we
launch
our
token
and
have
our
utility
established,
then
we
go
for
a
actual
private
sale
for
you.
For
the
actual
token,
at
this
point,
given
that
we
don't
have
a
token
we're
going
for
a
seed
round
in
equity,
yeah.
A
So,
first
of
all,
I
respect
the
way
you
are
going
about
this,
because
one
of
the
biggest
frustrations
for
me
is
I.
Ceo
is
raising
upwards,
sometimes
30
or
more
million
dollars
with
nothing
more
than
a
white
paper.
The
fact
that
you
wanted
to
have
a
working
application
with
a
user
base
of
500
plus
get
feedback,
private
funding
and
and
right
now
the
funding
is
equity
until
the
lumiose,
the
company
right.
This
isn't
a
token
sale
round.
B
Yeah
so
still
pending
some
of
our
legal
meetings,
but
basically
we're
doing
a
convertible
equity
which
is
kind
of
a
new
way
of
doing
this.
We
want
to
have
our
token
Lumias
as
a
utility
token,
and
if
you,
if
you,
if
we
get
investor
money
at
this
point,
given
that
the
token
is
not
on
the
main
that
yet
it's
not
considered
a
utility,
because
the
investor
or
the
buyer
of
the
token
would
be
investing.
It
will
be
basically
getting
getting
a
buying
a
security.
A
Could
you
kind
of
walk
me
through
the
timeline
from
now
until
let's
say
a
year
from
now
of
what
I
was
gonna
be
happening,
I've
read
different
things
about
some
air
drops
but
and
then
the
private
funding.
Then,
if
you
do
a
public
round,
why
don't
you
walk
us
through
from
August?
First,
when,
when
you're
your
mobile
app
launches
throughout
the
next
year,
like
yeah.
B
Mainly
we
want
to
do
an
airdrop,
but
we
don't
want
to
use
the
Genesis
snapshot,
so
we're
still
studying
we're
finalizing
it's
how
we're
planning
to
do
it,
and
mainly
we
want
to
reward
any
new
EOS
comers,
because
none
of
the
air
drops
that
happen
already
have
done.
That's
all
all
Turkish
snapshot
of
the
ESU,
all
the
yeast
users
on
Genesis
in
order
to
get
I
mean
es
for
mass
adoption
it
just
you
need
to
always
reward
the
new
users
who
are
coming.
B
It
just
makes
sense
and
so
we're
doing
a
small
airdrop
for
the
EOS
folders
and
we're
still
also
studying
it
a
bit
given
the
latest
Framm
issues,
because
it
will
be
very
expensive
to
do
that.
So
we're
looking
into
other
alternatives
like
the
air
grab
model
for
from
scatter
or
a
smart
drop
that
we're
trying
to
put
together
at
this
point.
But
then
we
want
to
do
another
wave
of
air
drops
for
for
people
who
actually
downloaded
our
application
put
in
their
data,
verified
it
and
started
using
our
app.
B
Basically,
we
want
to
reward
users
on
our
platform,
mainly
like
the
early
users
through
another
round
of
air
drops
specifically
for
those
accounts
that
are
running
and
that
will
have
them
the
more
of
the
tokens,
because
in
the
end,
we
want
to
those
users
to
use
the
tokens
on
our
website
and
on
our
mobile
app
later
on.
We
want
to
expand
outside
of
crypto
users
and
we
will
plant
we're
launching
our
campus
ambassador
program,
because
we
want
to
educate
students
on
blockchain
and
on
data
privacy
and
data
ownership
issues.
B
That
way,
and
then
I
guess
later
on
next
year,
early
next
year
and
late
next
year,
we'll
be
focusing
on
mostly
getting
users
and
keeping
them
in
our
ecosystem
and
I'm
growing
it
as
soon
as
much
as
possible.
The
ultimate
vision
is
to
pretty
much
like
reimagine
the
data
sharing
online,
meaning
instead
of
sharing
something
that
you
don't
own.
Anything
that
you
share
will
be
your
own
and
it's
it's
just
a
future
experience.
It's
it
just
makes
sense
to
to
do
something
about
it.
B
So
the
seed
round
is
a
is
actually
a
small
part
of
the
funding.
We
are
also
looking
we're
not
doing
a
public
sale
per
se
like
an
ICO
or
a
token
generation
event.
Instead
we're
doing
a
private
sale,
a
private
sale
for
selling
30%
of
our
tokens
and
then
keeping
30%
for
our
pool,
and
then
the
30%
will
be
sold
after
the
utility
in
September.
So
it's
probably
our
private
sale
will
go
over
four
weeks
in
I,
know
September.
So.
A
B
A
So
you
mentioned
that
the
cost
of
doing
the
air
drops.
What
is
your
experience,
but
we've
talked
about
on
the
show,
the
RAM
market
and
the
RAM
prices
they've
kind
of
leveled
off,
but
they're
still
kind
of
expensive.
So
what
effect
is
the
the
RAM
market
had
on
your
plans
of
of
your
token
release,
yeah.
B
For
sure,
like
we
had
some,
we
had
some
delays,
mainly
Pikul
delays,
mainly
because
we
didn't
have
didn't
take
that
into
consideration
like
the
act.
What
happened
with
the
inflation
and
the
ramp
prices,
so,
for
instance,
but
for
our
first
users,
were
going
for
bring
your
own
Yost
accounts,
but
for
later
users
will
probably
create
their
accounts
for
them.
But
we
have
to
be
careful
because
they're
gonna
be
expensive.
It's
gonna
be
expensive,
especially
in
our
vision
of
reaching
a
million
users
very
quickly.
B
It
also
gave
us
the
opportunity
to
look
into
other
alternatives
that
are
like
I
mean,
like
Talos,
for
instance,
has
been
doing
some
interesting
work
on
reducing
the
price
of
Fram
on
their
own
thing,
so
we're
just
like
exploring
these
things
and
from
a
technical
perspective,
we're
kind
of
changing
the
design
a
bit
so
that
we
optimize
for
RAM
just
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
wasting,
because
now
it's
not
another
precious
resource
that
we
need
to
care
about
in
our
development.
So
you're.
B
It's
it's
an
exploration
phase
and
it's
mainly
got
on
our
on
our
plate,
specifically
because
of
the
recent
frame
issues.
I
guess,
Forks
is
basically
any
code
that
works
on
ears
will
work
on
an
iOS
fork.
It's
again,
any
project
should
be
interested
in
investigating
those,
whether
they
end
up
building
something
or
not
on
them.
It's
it's
based
on
the
investigation,
so.
A
You
guys
you
guys
recently
brought
on
we
mentioned
briefly
the
eos
VC
funds
and
I'm
sure
you're
in
touch
with
them.
Ask
about
that
experience
in
a
minute
here,
but
you
guys
just
brought
on
an
advisor
from
one
of
the
only
one
of
only
two
projects
that
have
been
announced
to
be
funded
by
the
u.s.
VC
funds,
they're
funded
by
galaxy
digital.
You
guys
brought
on
I'm
a
mess,
his
name
up,
CAD
or
higher
from
he's
the
director
of
software
at
ever
a
PDA.
B
B
Are
in
LA,
I
was
in
one
of
DNA
funs
events
that
happening
and
DNA
is
also
very
big
on
ears
and
they're
in
Santa,
Monica
and
one
when
I
talk
to
him
about
the
project,
he
was
very
interested.
We
met
with
him.
We
went
actual
with
the
eels
with
the
ever
a
PDA
team
over
in
LA,
and
they
were
very
interested
in
our
project.
So
what
we
did
is
I
talked
to
Cara.
He
was.
B
He
was
at
that
point
still
like
finalizing
the
airdrop
for
every
pedia,
so
we
talked
a
lot
about
the
airdrop
and
how
we
can
do
various
things
on.
Yes,
he's
a
very
technical
guy,
so
he's
basically
helping
he's
been
advising
us
for
last
month,
mainly
on,
like
any
any
issues
that
we're
facing
and
what
to
do
with
like
RAM
problems.
So
he's
been
very
helpful
on
that
as
well
and
mostly
helping
us
out
with
our
token,
with
our
airdrops,
has.
A
He
been
able
to
get
you
in
touch
with
anyone.
Let's
say
it:
galaxy
digital,
for
example.
Since
we
have
these
funds,
we
have
a
billion
dollars
of
funds
that
block
one
is
distributing
they're
in
the
process
of
distributing
to
individual
VC
funds.
Galaxy
digital
is
the
biggest
one.
They
got
funded
with
three
hundred
twenty
five
million
dollars
from
block
one
and
all
they
want
to
do
is
fund
Yeo's
projects,
the
the
best
ones,
though.
So
what
is
your
experience
been
with
any
of
the
es?
Vc
funds?
Have
you
been
in
talks
with
any
of
them?
A
B
A
B
An
awesome
question
again:
the
we
want
users
to
like
the
way
I
envision.
This
is
we
want
user
to
be
able
to
use
the
Internet
go
online,
the
same
way
they
do
today,
but
whenever
they
they
have
anything
important
to
say
they
they
can
put
it
into
boxes
and
into
plugins
into
the
website,
and
anything
that
goes
into
that
box,
which
is
going
to
be
duct
to
the
lumiose
box
everywhere,
will
be
their
own
data.
B
So
we
started
doing
pulls
because
that's
like
they
eat
like
one
of
the
more
simple
ways
of
telling
the
user
that
just
like
by
answering
by
clicking
yes,
no
or
a
B,
you
actually
can
make
something
out
of
it.
But
after
polls
we're
gonna
go
with
like
comments.
We're
gonna
go
with
the
longer
form,
content,
we're
going
to
go
with
followers
and
connections
and
more
location
data
and
we're
going
to
the
review
system
where
users
can
have
a
one-star
five-star
system
for
a
lot.
B
A
We've
talked
about
some
Rand
praises
about
your
project.
Is
there
anything
you'd
like
to
talk
about
that?
You
want
our
listeners
to
know.
We
have.
We
have
a
several
thousand
listeners
for
every
episode,
they're,
all
mostly
hardcore
users.
We've
got
block
producers
listening.
We
have
some
of
the
the
VC
funds
listening.
What
do
you
want
to
talk
about
to
them?.
B
Yeah
actually
so
one
thing
we
actually
figured
out
with
the
EOS
ecosystem
is
the
developer
community
is,
is
kind
of
weak
I
mean
it's
not
on
par
with
aetherium,
currently
and
as
us
positioning
ourselves
as
like
the
biggest
the
number
one
project
in
that
is
building
on
a
OS
that
is
in
Silicon
Valley.
We
want
to
make
sure
to
give
back
to
the
community
so
we're
building
we're
building
a
developer
community
over
in
San
Francisco
and
we've
been
like
really
helping
out
with
meetups
and
and
spreading
the
knowledge
about
us
just
yesterday.
B
We
actually
happened
to
talk
about
ES
and
aetherium
inside
the
uber
headquarters
in
San
Francisco,
for
like
interested
people
inside
uber
who
are
interested
in
blockchain,
and
what
are
the
latest
advancements
there?
So
we're
always
trying
to
get
back
and
trying
to
be
the
be
like
role
model
for
developers
and
getting
more
developers
excited
about
ES
and
Silicon
Valley.
Do.
B
Finding
Talent
is
always
an
issue.
Fortunately
it's
given
that
we're
located
in
San
Francisco,
it's
a
bit
easier.
My
my
network
of
connections
is
pretty
big
actually
and
I
have
been
like
very
lucky,
because
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
find
that
kind
of
talent
pool
everywhere,
especially
because
you
have
a
face-to-face
connection
rather
than
like
the
online
connection,
which
is
which
is
always
a
big
plus
when
it
comes
to
crypto
projects.
B
Just
making
sure
that
validity
of
people
and
yeah
for
sure,
like
talent
is
is
getting
talent
is
a
big
part,
and
but
the
best
part
about
us
is
you
can
get
as
long
as
you
know,
a
few
things
you
can
immediately
start
developing,
which
is
which
is
huge.
That's
why
we're
we
can
get
like
an
any
software
developer
and
then
we'll
explain
to
them.
What
blockchain
is
what
es
is
and
then
they
are
good
to
go
within
like
a
few
days.
So.
A
For
someone
who's
already
a
mid
to
senior
level
developer,
what
what
I
mean
you
did
this
yourself,
you
want.
You
went
from
a
regular
developer
engineering
background
and
then
you
got
interested
in
the
blockchain.
What
advice
would
you
have
for
someone
else
who's
interested
in
getting
started?
Would
you
advise
them
to
reach
out
to
early
projects
like
yours,
or
would
you
advise
them
on
starting
on
a
hobbyist
project?
How
did
you
make
that
transition
yeah?
For
me,
it
wasn't.
B
I
just
attended
a
few
developer.
Meetups
and
I
just
did
the
correlation
between
the
centralized
world
and
the
decentralized
world,
and
it
kind
of
clicked
immediately
like
from
from
distributed
systems
to
decentralized
systems,
is
not
a
big
leap
in
my
opinion,
so
I
was
able
to
get
it
easily,
but
I
realized
that
for
newcomers
who
are
coming
from
different
backgrounds
yeah,
they
there
is
going
to
be
some
like
steep
learning
curve.
B
We're
working
on
making
like
we're
working
on
coming
up
with
more
meetups
and
more
explanation
on
basically
between
myself
and
my
CTO
we're
building
a
developer
community
and
it
kind
of
like
explainers
for
newcomers
who
are
coming
from
the
etherium
space
or
who
are
coming
from
outside
the
block
chain
space
and
educating
them
about
blockchain
and
iOS,
and
how
to
build
a
decentralized
application.
Why
do
you
need
to
build
a
decentralized
applications
and
all
those
things
interesting.
A
Le
so
so
you
got
your
big
date.
It's
coming
up,
August
1st
you
mentioned
earlier.
It's
a
a
group
of
beta
testers,
you
mentioned
I,
think
Phi
the
number
of
500
and
then
later
on,
maybe
a
month
down
the
line
you
want
to
open
up
publicly.
Is
it
closed
yet?
Or
could
people
still
get
involved
with
this
beta
launch?
You.
B
Know
you
could
sign
up
on
our
website
right
now,
lumiose
da
IO
and
sign
up
for
the
become
a
beta
tester
at
this
point
and
then
we'll
send
her
up
you
an
email
with
instructions
on
how
to
download
the
app
and
play
around
with
it
and
give
us
feedback
and
yeah.
It's
it's
an
open
list,
so
you
can
keep
on
subscribing
throughout
August
and
we're
hoping
to
open
it
up
for
the
public
based
on
the
feedback
in
September.
A
And
is
the
app
for
iOS
Android
or
both
we're
working
on
both
Android
and
iOS?
So
awesome,
all
right
man,
it's
been
great.
Having
you
on
the
show
is
interesting.
Learning
a
little
bit
about
your
background,
because
I
think
you're,
a
very
talented,
individual
I
think
you've
got
great
people
on
your
team,
I
think
you're
going
about
the
funding
of
this
project
in
the
right
way.
If
people
want
to
learn
more
about
lumiose,
they
can
go
to
lumiose.
Do
I
check
out
the
white
paper,
there's
great
having
you
on
the
show
man
yeah.
Likewise.