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From YouTube: Voice.com CEO Salah Zalatimo Gets Social w/ Writer.io and Everything EOS - LIVE INTERVIEW

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Voice.com CEO, Salah Zalatimo joins Everything EOS in collaboration with Writer.io to discuss Voice communities, future plans, decentralized governance, EOS, token economics, and more.

Salah Zalatimo
Voice.com - CEO

Chaney Moore
Cryptowriter - CBO
www.writer.io

Zack Gall
Everything EOS - Host
LiquidApps.io - Head of Community

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A

It's everything voice everything you want to know about voice in 30 minutes, so guys we're gonna, keep this simple when you get on youtube- and you see this on youtube, please remember to smash that like button and do the follow. It really helps everybody follow, find zack out there today uh before I get into it like I said this is a 30 minute episode, we're keeping it short and brief.

A

So we're not going to do the normal introductions we're going to do a rapid fire q a here with salah zalatimo before I get into salah zach anything you want to say today.

B

Let's get into it man, let's just uh I'm excited here- I'm excited to uh talk about this. We just had a communities launch recently. We're gonna have some questions about that. We had a voice token reset today and I think everyone's uh wondering what the the future plans are for voice. It's almost a year old, already only a couple more months.

A

So salah, thank you so much for joining us today. We appreciate it without putting anything out there, we're going to go jump right into it, and this, as you know, is an eos kind of based show, so we're going to hit you with a hard question first that the community really wants to know about what will the relationship be between voice and the us blockchain? Can you answer that today.

C

Well, first of all, thank you very much zach and cheney for having me on. um I always enjoy our conversations. um You guys are my source of information on the world of eos, so I'm very happy to be here and thank you for dedicating a show to our platform. Voice um short answer is no.

C

I cannot answer that right now, but but what I can say is that um we are, you know we were we're born with eos io in our dna, and it's not something that we forget and uh our core blockchain is built on esio, um and so there will certainly be uh connectivity, because we, you know our our most loyal fans, come from the eos community and and it's not something that we take lightly and not something that we intend on ever forgetting, and so we are certainly working towards um some some uh significant um uh interplay with the with the with the community, and um I unfortunately have to hold the specifics of that until we have a more formal uh announcement uh coming a bit further down the road.

A

I appreciate that I'll go ahead and say then I guess you can't talk about potentially a link between voice accounts and eos accounts, then so I will move on from there, but I appreciate it so you mentioned eosio so from my understanding- and you can maybe clarify here that the voice blockchain is run by a single eosio blockchain. Is that correct.

C

That that is correct. There are, uh there are more than one blockchain on on voice. um There is a content. Blockchain there's blockchain managers, our identity. um uh There are others in. So to answer the question more specifically, it is all esio, um but we are. We don't necessarily have everything running on a single blockchain. uh We have a few uh different. uh We have a few blockchains with different purposes and uh we continue to kind of test and iterate and and find the optimal blend of those things.

C

uh We do we look at this as this is the skunk works. I mean we are. We are we're managing and building our own instance of the voice blockchain, because at the pace that we are testing iterating, it wouldn't really be feasible uh in a public blockchain with public governance, and so uh it's something that we are we're we're using to develop and and mature our uh ecosystem and our platform.

C

And then, once we reach that point, uh we hope to have a lot of the learnings that we've had on the voice process, make their way over to um to the public domain as well and- and you know, kind of open, open, a more clear pathway for connectivity on the road. Well that that's.

A

A good segue, then uh you mentioned onboard the number of users and growing the growing the chain. How how that you know an outside uh chain would have trouble doing that. Potentially, what what is your timeline and how do you expect to grow voice into millions of users, not only just using blockchain but just in general? What's what's the path forward.

C

Thanks jenny, I think you know my background is in digital media and there are lots of ways to skin a cat and uh my preferred uh method of doing it is with content.

C

I believe that if you create a, if you create a really compelling high quality and differentiated content experience, then people will come and they'll come to consume. That content, because there's never a shortage of new information needed and there's never a shortage of curiosity in the world, and so the more you are consistently creating high quality content.

C

The more people will start coming to you and start coming back to you, and so we view that, as in traditional marketing terms, that's the top of our funnel top of our funnel are casual readers, and then we we go to work on trying to convey all the values and benefits of actually joining becoming a registered user on voice.

C

Those are things like the ability to be compensated for your efforts in voice tokens and it's the ability to engage on comments, the ability to help with the self-moderation in the in the community uh governance, and so there are so that's the way. We look at this as more of a traditional media on-ramp, but then a a um a social engagement model.

A

So you get people in with the content and then you keep them around with with uh the ability to interact and earn some voice tokens in.

C

Yeah, I think so.

A

C

Yeah, what we're really? What really differentiates voice is the fact that we are so focused on uh keeping the platform 100 human and so a lot of the the problems that we have today with social media and with just yeah social media in the broadest sense, is that uh it is overrun by boston by fake accounts and by bad actors and and bot farms, and so now that enables algorithms to be manipulated and enables misinformation to proliferate.

C

um And it. You know more broadly, just corrupted that experience and eroded trust, and so we we feel very confident that uh once people see the richness of the uh engagements and the interactions on voice as compared to other existing social media and the um sincerity with which people are engaging with each other and with the earnestness with which they are protecting that environment uh by by helping keep any sort of um objectionable or or disparaging content um kind of on the rails.

C

uh It is it's really uh inspiring and I think, on uh on the day after election day, more than any other day, seeing that uh sincere engagement in on a digital platform actually just warms your heart a little bit and gives you help.

B

So the future plans, as I understand it with voice, is right. Now it's all just end users and the top voice is another real person and user, but eventually that top voice spot could potentially be a large company advertising there, like pepsi or coca-cola or any any company.

B

um How are you going to do you think it's going to be an issue where, um like kind of like the statistics and analytics, are going to be a lot weaker, uh because everyone is human and everyone in the ad industry and digital media industry is so used to these juiced up statistics because of all of the bot forms that kind of manipulate the numbers everywhere else on the internet.

C

It's an excellent question: zach very, very insightful you're, really putting your finger on something I can. I can elaborate on that a little bit and to say if you are familiar with the way that the the digital advertising ecosystem is today, there is debatably between 50 to 80 percent of dollars spent by advertisers that actually make it to the intended audiences, it's known as the ad tax, and that's because there are a variety of middlemen along the way uh and I use it in air quotes middlemen like different services.

C

You have to go through which makes accountability next to impossible, and the fact that in facebook, in the last two and a half years facebook has removed from its platform 10 billion fake accounts b billion, that's more than there are people on earth.

C

So uh you wonder who's looking at the ads on facebook and and what an advertiser is actually paying for, and so without a doubt, our numbers are going to be far smaller, but our engagement and the impact of reaching somebody on voice will be far higher because now, instead of reaching 10 fake accounts to get one person, you're just going to get that person, and so the impact will be so you'll have you know, it'll it'll be offsetting, and the sincerity and the authenticity of the voice community will also create a better uh brand association for for companies as well.

C

You know the stop hate for profit campaign uh does not seem to be going away because uh companies are beginning to use their advertising dollars to demand more from these social platforms, and so with us coming out of the gate, with a much more sincere and aligned point of view and business model, meaning we are not out there, exploiting our users, we're not out there to try to turn our users into products um and so that by default I think, sets us um on a different path altogether than the existing media companies.

A

So you did a good job there saying you know why people are going to stay and and why there's value and why they engage and why it's good for advertisers.

A

But you know one of the things that brendan mentioned uh years ago, back in june of 2019, when he was talking about voice and announcing voice, was that there would be uh hundreds of millions of dollars of budget to bring on to bring on influencers to get people to see um and find out about voice.

A

So one uh do you think that we still will be able to see that sort of money spent on influencers and because we know that only 150 million dollars was invested into voice from b1 uh and then the second question I would have for you uh is: when will be ready to spend that sort of money? If that's still the case.

C

uh That is definitely the case. um This this game will be played in one on the marketing field, and that is because we got to break through the noise. We have to be able to uh become a recognized name.

C

We have to make sure that people who share our mission uh in taking social back from big tech and building a social media platform as it was always meant to be, and so the way to doing that is in this day and age is really through um partnering, with like-minded people aka influencers in this case, uh so we actually have a pretty bold um marketing, um manifesto and strategy that we'll be sharing publicly pretty soon uh that that right, that commits to us not using many of the practices that we are uh critical of um in our marketing efforts.

C

So you know simple example: does it really make sense for us to be doing paid social when um actually paid social to me is at the heart of uh what has corrupted social media? I don't believe so, nor does our marketing team, and so we won't be doing that, and so, uh when you come back to our core principles, our number one principle of all is being 100 human building, a platform that is that puts humans first.

C

So to me, that means, instead of paying the twitters and the facebooks of the world, let's go to the influencers that are that they are currently exploiting on their platforms, who are not earning their fair share and let's work with them directly, so that we get. We have a more direct impact and they receive more fair share of the value they're generating.

B

Right do we expect uh the influencers to be onboarded, I'm gonna pull up. I put up for a second uh the quotes from telegram from after b1 june and the he brendan bloomer quoted a budge, an ad budget in the hundreds of millions of dollars to onboard influencers. He called out uh direct engagement with caa. I figured it's like an influencer like organization with, like hollywood.

B

um Do we expect these influencers to be uh onboarded and- and I guess be paid in dollars before the voice? Token is tradable and has value, or would it likely come after because right now we're in this like beta test mode, where the token doesn't have value? It's not tradable, it's probably going to reset at least at least one more time it already reset today.

B

But if the company has the budget or block one, has the budget to kind of pay out of pocket before the voice token has value it still could. So I'm just wondering what order we we should expect things to happen. Will the voice token have value first, or will the influencers be onboarded? First.

C

uh Influencers are starting next month, so uh we are. It's certainly, you know the the tokens having value and our growth are separate paths there there's no dependencies there um for the simple reason that we need to. We are building our community and our audience, um because we know that the tokens are inevitable and there's no point in really having valuable tokens until we have product market fit in this, and and we feel very confident about the uh organic uh engagement and and interest in the platform.

C

So in fact I would say that it's more important to have the influencers on well before tokens uh before the final token reset before they're valuable, um and so you know we are beginning to test the waters this year so um and cheney. I apologize. I didn't actually directly ask part of your question, which was when- and I can tell you that that is early 2021. So early next year, you'll start seeing um a significant increase in our marketing and our in our outreach, both through influencers and and other methods as well.

A

And, along those same lines, any eta on when you can share about when tokens might have value influence your start 2021 you, you said it would be after the fact influencers would come. First community would come first people be on board force. What about the value? Can you share that.

C

Well, um I would share it if I could- and I mean that sincerely- because it's it's not something that we're doing it's, not something that we are, that we put a date on and we're walking towards it. It's actually um it's quite the opposite. The token resets allow us to continue to tweak and optimize this whole token economy to make sure that it is generating our intended outcome, which is to incentivize high quality content. So if this token reset gets us there, it might happen it might happen before the influencers, but.

A

If it doesn't we're.

C

Going to do another reset and we're going to tweak it again.

A

We're going to have to have a way to to have or extract that value from the from the voice. Token, if people choose to just sell it to advertisers or do it some other way, monetize it in some form or fashion, whether that's to to us dollars to btc to to another cryptocurrency or the case may be.

A

C

A

Any any any speculation on how that might happen. Can you share that.

C

Well, um your answer is actually your question is accurate in that um the whole premise of the platform is to uh begin to generate, rewards for users um and and the voice token being at the center of that. So we are working really closely with the regulators today uh to to gain approval, to be able to enable the transferability of of uh of the token uh so that it can empower the users to do what they want with it. They can take it off platform put in their own wallet. They can exchange it with friends.

C

Those are things that we, we feel, are critical to fully realizing the vision of voice, which is to create a new economy and a new uh monetization, a revenue model for content, and so uh but it is important that we work with with the regulators to make sure that um that we're doing this in a way that is acceptable to them, and that is uh that is keeps the everyday users protected, um because once you enter uh the world of finances, um you know social media.

C

If you thought social media was a challenging regulatory and uh security environment. Imagine combining that with with a financial institution. So it's the kind of thing that we view as inevitable, but um not something that is worth rushing because getting it right. It is binary. You either get it right and it's amazing and it's sustainable or you're off by zero. One percent eventually they'll come off and that's not anything we wanna be doing.

A

You mentioned working closely with regulators. Are you still working closely with with b1 and and uh your parent company.

C

So uh we we remain, uh blackwater remains our largest uh shareholder, and so uh we still have a very healthy relationship with b1, and uh I still lean on on dan and brendan for a lot of my guidance and my advice. They're. Both they both offer a tremendous amount of experience and, and their point of view in the world is just amazing. They have such a breath of knowledge and because voice was really born uh under their leadership, they're, the co-founders of it.

C

um It's something that I find myself going back to frequently and has been an invaluable resource to me, but on a day-to-day basis, there's not much interaction anymore, there's essentially, no operational interaction on a day-to-day basis. We've built up a team of about 80 people. Now and uh we are, we are self-sufficient. We are, we've been pushed out of the nest and we we are flying.

A

You mentioned uh they're, the largest shareholder, and that leads the question that we were asked earlier today. Is there ever a plan for a voice to go out there and raise more funds, and if so, can the community participate in that.

C

I think the expectation is that we will definitely raise more funds. um What we're trying to do here is is not small and it will take a significant amount of money and some time right, um but it's also the kind of initiative where you will know you know if we get on the right trajectory and we start growing at the right pace and engagement remains high.

C

um It's there's very your risk is, is mitigated quite a bit, so it feels like less of a gamble than it does when you first come out of the gate, and so that's the way we're looking at this. If we hit certain milestones- which I unfortunately can't show the specifics of, but if we have certain milestones in the coming six to 18 months, uh we will certainly look to the markets too to raise funds.

C

um Unfortunately, I can't really um make any commitments either way or or take a position either way as to whether as to how we would do that, but we certainly will be looking to do that, because it will take more than the initial capital that we raised. Sure.

A

So congratulations: communities, everybody out there. Please join the cryptowriter community while you're. Here uh it is working. Well, I think people are enjoying them. The feed is now there. People can follow their own feed. So if they don't.

B

Very happy to see that feature.

A

B

uh Continue, I I have some of those things.

A

No, it was good to have the feed there. uh We saw some changes into the tokenomics today, where, instead of going from zero to one to one point, three was from zero directly to ten. So there's some increase there in the tokenomics and some other changes that look really good. uh But the biggest question I've seen since that time is: uh when can people open up their own communities and can and how will that? How will that happen in the future?.

C

uh I'm quite excited about that one. So I will say this because we are still um in the uh we're still it's too early for us to know exactly what it's to look like, but I'll tell you the space that it's going to be in and it will be very uh tokenomics driven. So you know we look at. We look at a post on voice as it's as a little microcosm of an economy, and so I can elaborate a little bit more on that um the voice.

C

It is uh people who are effectively curating the post. I mean that's, that's that's our equivalent of sharing, but we've we've gamified it and created a return on that investment. If you will, by making it a single spot that people have to outbid each other for, and so, if you take that mindset and apply it more broadly to that to the post you're going to see more more changes in those directions as as we evolve, so you know commenting. How is that going to change with regards to liking and voicing currently they are?

C

They are displayed in chronological order. Maybe that can be up for a discussion or some exploration um voicing uh voicing comments.

C

What would that look like and what does that mean and and likes uh being staking a post instead of a free like there's a lot of things that we are looking at from a tokenomics standpoint that are deeply deeply uh interesting and um and can really uh send you down rabbit holes and I've lost many night's sleep trying to figure out trying to map out the math in my head of you if you've seen the queen's gambit lately on netflix, I kind of feel like the like the young lady playing chess in the ceiling where I'm I'm seeing tokenomics flying around, um but it is like that, and so I'm very very excited about that and similar with community.

C

If you look at communities as effectively, businesses like this is us the opportunity to create their own community, which actually they can operate like a like a a small business and so um think about the value of a name. It'll be we're going to have unique names for communities, so it kind of is akin to the um to the domain registrar.

C

So names might have token value at some point. How do you earn a portion of the general earnings of that community? How do you deal with content moderation within your community?

C

You might want to have different rules in the global rules, and so there's there's still quite a bit to be figured out there and you know we're trying to take it one step at a time. You know, with the feature set that we have.

C

uh We've got a few more releases that we think will will get those features through a bit more of a mature space, and then we want to you know kind of see how we can make that fit and mature it a little bit before we take another push forward, and so it is important that we always pause and make sure that we're heading down the right direction that it's really resonating and that we're not missing anything um before going too far down any given path, and so um on the communities front.

C

You won't be able to create your own communities until the first quarter of next year, but when you do it's going to be pretty pretty cool.

A

Great yeah, if you get those toponomics right uh and really drive engagement, it'll really help help.

B

Is that form I'm super excited about all of the blockchain stuff, all of the token economic stuff, but set the blockchain aside for a second and one of the things that stands out to me as personally as a voice user is the lack of common features that uh are available on almost any other social media platform, because I we all want voice to be successful, but to be successful being on a blockchain is not enough. Having token incentives, not enough has to be better than what people are currently used to and certain things are lacking.

B

I'm wondering um if you could provide a timeline on it. Things like um when I make a post on twitter, I can click and see the analytics. I see how many engagements I had how many impressions I have things like that, so not being able to measure success is a kind of a deal breaker for me, because I don't know if what I'm doing is working or not. When can we expect to see uh better analytics on how our content is performing.

C

It's an excellent question. I just actually got out of a call about that on monday um and the short answer is first quarter next year. So we look at that as we're referring to it as your as your token uh as your tokenomics dashboard, which essentially is really just about allowing people to see in a more granular sense what they've earned and how they earned it.

C

And so we we joke about this a little bit, but the the challenge we have in front of us is is making the tokenomics complex enough to achieve its goal, meaning keeping all the different stakeholders aligned and and incentivized to create high quality content without any real gaping holes or loopholes, so make it sufficiently complex, but make it sufficiently simple for the for people to understand.

C

So we've got this this. This awkward balance that we're trying to strike between making it easy to explain and easy to understand and complex enough to actually achieve its goals. So um it's it's it's something that is definitely a gap right now um and we are we. We have a excellent team of product managers, engineers who are very very focused on this, and so what you're likely to see zach is. Is it come out in in pieces like adding a little bit more granularity around the tokens you earn, because I mean right now.

C

The most obvious question we get is well there's ten thousand tokens in the voice, it game. I wrote this post, but I only got four thousand tokens back from it. What's the deal, and so, as you can see, here's a good example of of how do you have something to be complex, but also be simple, so you can explain it so the reason for it is because we need to have a portion of the tokens go to the author created it.

C

A portion is shared by all of the curators who helped that author's content become discoverable and then a portion of it um is distributed back to the whole platform in the form of burn, and each of those cuts is important for a different reason.

C

So you know I can explain it to you as you're someone is more familiar with crypto and and and just in general how this type of thing might work, but the average content creator just wants to know why these numbers are different. You.

B

Know so I think the most important statistics are how many views did my article get? How many clicks did if I had posted links in it, how many of those links got clicked uh and just simple stuff like like that token economics aside, I just kind of want to know how many people how many page views I got, for example, like something simple.

C

Like that, oh gotcha, yes, that sorry so what I was saying, you're going to see things coming on piecemeal those things. Those things are easy for us to put out um and we'll be coming in the coming weeks or months.

A

Great and the ability to edit posts and and change our our profile names and a few other things too. I assume.

C

Yeah, the edit posts may actually have released uh last week, but.

D

B

Yes, if not it'll be next week,.

C

Next week, if anything and that, if it's not already out um and also the change profile name, uh is something that's coming in either next week or the week after that,.

B

Category sorry, good search, sir, I I can't find the old post that I, if I didn't bookmark them, I I can't search by keywords or hashtags. Even that's another feature, that's just like so common on, like normal platforms outside of voice, and it's something that I feel like is lacking and like blockchain aside token economics aside. When can we expect to see a basic feature like search by keyword.

C

Yeah, it's a great question zack. um You know- and uh I hate to say this, but um it's it is because of the blockchain. So I know you want to put the blockchain aside, but actually our content living on a blockchain means that a lot of the off-the-shelf search tools just don't apply. So you can't just drop in a simple elastic search instance, or even even a local google, dom google search you couldn't do because the way that the content is actually organized.

C

So we the the theme that you're putting your finger on, um is actually our biggest challenge as a company and unfortunately I can't answer them without referring back to the blockchain, because the reason why basic things are hard on voice is because of the blockchain and so what we're trying to we're trying to do things in a more deterministic uh and more secure and a more transparent way by using the blockchain, and that comes with the cost of not being able to use a lot of industry conventions and a lot of things that are just generally taken for granted by by our competitors who are not on the blockchain.

C

So it is in that respect, building on the blockchain will take us longer to get out of the gate as you can see, but it sets us on a totally different trajectory where I think the the benefits of it will be will will make other platforms obsolete.

A

So so I know you're coming up on a hard stop here and gotta go I'll. Let zach answers one question and then we've got one more question from a guest that votes voice, the post that we're going to ask you and then we'll. Let you let you uh graciously exit here. We appreciate your time. Zach thank.

B

You we've talked about communities because of the voice communities. uh We talked about the blockchain and like development, one of the things that could accelerate this all was by combining them all community development. At what point will third parties or independent developers be able to build their own modules or integrate their own algorithm? Maybe we could select different things like that. When is it going to be possible for the developer community to participate in this platform and start building features on on top of the the features that you guys are already building internally?

B

Where is that a thing.

C

I mean it's honestly at this point, something that we similarly aspire to and want to get done, but we're just so busy building this just getting this thing off the ground. You know like that to me is kind of like you know, we'll come back, we'll come back to that when we can and if I was to like take a guess at it I mean probably 20 22.

A

Okay, understood uh again thanks for your time, so I'm going to go back here.

C

A

Post today was uh top comment, top voicer was stephen, joseph fox, and we said that we didn't let them answer or ask you any question they wanted, and the question for you is: who did you vote for? I don't want to get political.

C

A

Welcome to abstain, you're welcome to say, go out and see this state and leave it at that. But that was his question. So we've done our duty and asked you want to answer it.

C

uh Well I'll tell you, I am from pennsylvania, I'm from outside of scranton um and I'm in a different county. This camden is in um and uh I but I've been in new york for roughly half my life.

A

C

um And so um I personally, don't don't think uh it appropriate for anyone to to share who they voted for it's quite a private question, but I'll tell you that um I have one foot in each of those states and I'll leave it at that.

A

Okay, hey again, we appreciate it. I know we're gonna get skewered from our our audience here about all the things that we didn't have time to ask you about today. So can we at least get a commitment, the next three to six months to have you come back on and talk about the new updates and maybe after some influencers are on board and how the communities are doing, tokenomics et cetera,.

C

I would love that um I'm happy to, and next time we can maybe align it with uh with the new uh release that we got coming up great.

A

Great, maybe yeah, maybe we'll have rick whitner or somebody else come on and really delve into the blockchain.

C

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B

He's like yeah, we want to get into the decentralized identity we want to get in. Some of this really really.

C

Cool stuff we've.

B

Been excited about, I know, rick he's uh part of the voice team he's on all the digital identity, patents that came out in the last year or two so.

C

B

Definitely want to ask all about that stuff, but I don't think we have anything.

A

Today, anything you want to tell the community now before we, we let you go and we're going to sit here and uh talk amongst ourselves a little bit afterwards.

C

Well, I just want to say thank you. Thank you all very much. I mean cheney and zach, especially thank you for having me on. Thank you for being such strong pillars of this community and just thank you for the community in general, for your support uh for your passion for your patience. I know that uh you're all very excited about voice and there's a lot that you uh that you'd love to see from it and you and you seem to see the same potential that we all see.

C

um But you know we touched on it a little bit. It's like there's a lot of hard work here. We are breaking new ground and from a technical standpoint, a lot of fronts um and, as you can see recently we're beginning to more steadily uh release new features and add enhancements to the platform, and we expect that pace to continue to increase. So uh stick around and um very excited to see you on the platform. Soon great.

B

Day, thanks awesome we're going to stay on shaney. Thank you. Bye-Bye.

C

B

Hey all right, so that was a lot. It went fast man we knew we knew he was on a tight schedule, he's a busy man. We knew he had 30 minutes. We got an extra, I don't know he was a little bit late, five minutes out of him, but.

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B

A

uh It was good we tried to jam pack it in yeah, just just the community knows we had originally expected at least an hour. We had hoped we tried to schedule an hour and a half guys, because we did have a list of uh very long and very pointed questions here. So we try to jam pack as much as we could to a very short amount of time. So uh hopefully we'll get him back on and be able to dig a little deeper and or rick or somebody else in the future.

A

So don't skew us too much. um We had to had to pack a lot of info into a very short amount of time.

B

What was the were there? Any big surprises for me. I guess um the third-party development. I guess it's not a super surprise, seeing at like where the status is of the platform like they gotta build a lot of the foundational stuff themselves before they start allowing third-party development.

A

Yeah, I I I agree with that. I mean they don't have the bare bones or the bones quite quite finalized, and it is interesting to hear that the whole whole reason behind some of those features not being available today, like the edit and, like you know, as well as search and other features, or simply because it's it's blockchain related but yeah when they don't have those features there. Yet I'm not not surprised that they won't let anybody else come in there and play around in their background. Yet.

B

I think the reason I thought that it would have been sooner is last year, uh the day after b1 june I interviewed uh dan and brendan, and it kind of sounded, like things were a lot closer than they probably were at the time- and I remember uh dan talking about how you could like embed voice posts in a website, for example, so like with crypto writer, how you guys have your page on voice, but your domain, I don't know where what your domain is doing right now, if it just forwards to your voice page, but it sounded like there would be ways to kind of embed the data from the blockchain onto your own front, end that way, you're kind of outside of the sandbox, but still inside it still have uh the comments and stuff that are only real voice users.

B

Things like that, but um there's a lot of things that I'd like to see first before that, I don't think we need third party integrations. Yet I think the influencers uh for me was the biggest surprise of how soon their onboarding strategy is. What do you say, january 2021, for.

A

First quarter, I think yeah, okay, so early next year, we'll see that so you know a little disappointed, but not surprised that he wouldn't talk about the us blockchain, but I think we kind of based on the way things have gone lately, but uh you know I did see someone out. There wrote this wrote. This uh wrote his response down. So let's just unpack it together here real quick and see how it goes short answer.

A

I cannot answer that right now, but I will say that we were born with eosio in our dna and it's not something we forget and our core blockchain is built on eosio, and so there will certainly be some connectivity.

A

Our most loyal fans come from eos community and it's not something we take lightly and it's not something we intend to ever forgetting. We are certainly working towards some significant interplay with the community and unfortunately I have to hold the specifics of that. Until we have a more formal announcement coming a bit further down the road, he then went going to talk a little bit later talk about the issues of having a financial product with multiple government. You know locations you're, dealing with and having that set up wrong could really screw things up long term.

A

You have to get that exactly right and you know so I guess I'm not surprised by any of that.

A

He also wanted to say you know if you're going to you want to own your own tokens, and you want to be able to move your tokens and transfer your tokens to your friends, so that indicates some sort of public blockchain to me whether or not that's the case, but it really seems to me like that would indicate a connection with the blockchain.

B

What I want to see and we weren't able to get there and we kind of figured he wouldn't be able to say much about eos is we know eos sentiment sucks right now. We know things could be better from a communication standpoint from block one and like we we're kind of giving them the benefit of doubt here. We kind of I. I personally aired out my grievances last week. I'm not gonna dive into it now, but um I think a big uh uh shining star with voice would be if it was able to be tracked.

B

Its users unique users on all of the really popular dap like listing sites, so voices goal is way bigger than crypto. Their goal is like mass adoption, real real world users, not crypto people, but as far as the crypto community, it's kind of like eos is uh always getting on by everybody, and I I just feel like it would be a nice big middle finger to everyone.

B

If the biggest dap out of any blockchain anywhere was voice.com and it was number one on every site and nobody could say that it's fake bot, activity or fake users or anything like that and just be number one and by by orders of magnitude, more users.

A

Know they were using it necessarily even, but they were so.

B

That's kind of what I want to see. We are joined.

A

B

La rose new haircut.

D

What's up man, I've been trying to join for, like I don't know, 10 minutes or so and yeah we weren't letting you in no, it's not even on your side. It's on my side for some reason, I'm doing well. How about you guys.

B

Good good, I'm not used to having to be so short on words. I I'm used to these things going for three hours.

A

Drive it man drive it home. Now we can go on for three hours.

D

Oh, it was, it was pretty good you guys, you guys jumped into it right away. I liked how uh you didn't do the formal introductions which is kind of a waste at this point, I think for those who are watching.

B

We also didn't embarrass ourselves with trying to do a go eos at the end, because I know that's debatable.

D

That you can embarrass yourselves, maybe the the goalie else part but the embarrassing ooh. That's the beat.

B

Yeah, I guess I embarrass myself enough.

D

I think I saw somebody yeah. I actually think it was bounty block by the way cheney. I don't know if you read the messages.

C

You look like a telemarketer.

D

A

D

Where that comes from the headset, oh there you go.

B

Are there any surprises for you, eve.

D

um So there's a couple of things. Actually I thought this was a really good interview. He did drop some really good snippets. I some of the things. I think that um that you were saying. While I was joined that that you were disappointed- and I wasn't really expecting so for me that wasn't uh that wasn't so much of a thing I mean the the question that we keep asking all the time you know is: is voice going to be connected to mainnet like at this point.

D

I don't I don't want to say I don't particularly care, but that's not really what I was looking for in this particular interview. So the things that I I think were really good. uh That surprised me in terms of timeline. One is the marketing uh or manifesto, as he called it, uh which he said should be released relatively soon um and he even said weeks. um So that's that that was pretty good.

D

I like that the influencers who will come out- and he said uh before uh so he did march- mentioned marketing in q1 or or he did actually say- I think january 2021, but he said even prior to that. You're gonna have influencers, and so my understanding is that influencers would likely start next month. I think he mentioned next month uh that was pretty cool um and and he did specify that the the the influencers would come prior to the tokenomics. That type of thing.

D

So again, the question, I think, maybe I'm not as disappointed uh will those tokens have value in when will and how will they have value somewhat irrelevant at this stage, and I I I don't think it was a political answer when he said you know the tokenomics of things um I myself I'm creating content, I'm curating content. I use my voice tokens.

D

I I ended, I think, with 37 tokens prior to the reset, like I use my tokens and definitely I tried to see how the tokenomics work and I understand how prior to giving them value, you would want to see how the incentives are aligned for the different uh stakeholders within the the ecosystem.

D

So I thought that that was really cool, that I actually talked about that and said that the data that they're gathering through the token resets and prior to the token resets, are influencing how they then change the tokenomics, um and he specifically did say that if they get it right, then it might be sooner rather than later. So I'm not I'm not particularly disappointed that I thought that's actually a really good answer and there was a real real answer.

B

I want to point out: I am not disappointed, I'm happy, I I value a couple of things. I value progress and I value communication and we got both of those a lot. So I I I'm very.

D

Happy I'm referencing some of like there's comments. There's there's chat in the in the groups as well, and then I also came on at a specific time in this show it's a very particular time in the discussion.

A

I I thought overall, this was.

D

A

We would love to hear yes everything's going to be hashbacked to the mainnet and everybody gets a newest account that would have been. You know that would have been the uh the ultimate penultimate answer there, but uh obviously we did not expect that at this point.

B

We'll just speculate that it's going to happen eventually.

A

Anyway, hey you know what you've got to have a way to sell your tokens and or of control ownership. So if that's the case, you probably want to be able to move off platform.

C

A

Speculation you're right.

D

But it was mentioned rapid iteration and he did go into detail in terms of why certain features that are common outside of voice are a little bit more more difficult to implement in voice. For example, you mentioned elasticsearch the search function, that's the first time they actually come out and say that um in that level of detail- and I thought that again- that was a very honest, very direct answer, uh and there this is a challenge. I mean running the fuse and I did drop in the chat like hey.

D

You could use the fuse for this. This is what it's built for yeah.

A

You need to reach out there and make it.

D

Well, well, block one does have a partnership with defuse already right. So is that maybe in the works I was kind of hoping you guys would ask that that you didn't. I.

A

Was just a shareholder eve.

D

I remember yeah, but you still have a connection built and so, if they're looking at building a search function and they do need an elastic search type function, diffuse is the alexa search of the blockchain. You know uh maybe.

A

I would have dropped that and put a little post out there. Maybe you can mention rick whitner in the in the in the top of the.

B

A

And get it out there.

B

Yeah that that's one solution, the other thing is even though all of the data is stored on a blockchain, you could replicate the blockchain data in a traditional database and use that for search, so there's a lot of ways around it. I guess that aren't uh directly touching the blockchain, but I think what they're trying to do is to try to do everything from there. But diffuse is an obvious answer, so I guess I would.

D

Unless they're gonna use google bigquery um yeah, I doubt that they would redo like there's, no way that you're catching up to diffuse. If you're building your own solution from the ground up, it would be impractical.

D

I don't think you'd be able to do it in in any reasonable time frame by reasonable it's not happening even in a year or two years unlikely. So I think they're gonna have to use some type of off-the-shelf, um and so that's why I think diffuses the obvious answer here. There's only one alexander.

B

D

We're running the fuse, I have not been asked to do this. My speculation is: that's what's happening.

B

It makes sense uh I I was surprised to not hear it, though too maybe he's I don't know. Maybe he didn't know that we would know. I don't know.

D

Maybe he didn't know if you would know, maybe if you mentioned the views he would have you know smirked.

B

I know I know it's all speculation. Yeah I mean I'm not used to not being able to keep people on here forever. So I think it threw me off my game.

A

Three hour meeting.

B

I did uh I love whenever there's no hard stop, but.

A

B

A

So the uh just reminder I mean you guys everybody, your voice. Tokens have reset you're back down to 3 000 unless you've already already spent them. I.

D

A

But you know it was interesting to see that they got rid of several iterations in the voices like I said it went from used to go from zero to one to one point three to one point: seven, I think.

D

It was straight to.

A

D

I would have made it go straight to even a hundred. I mean the well.

A

That's your daily allowance. That's that's your whole daily allowance. If you're not actively building, though I.

B

Think it should be more like, like with ebay auctions like you, should be able to set like your max bid and every time someone else bids you it just automatically like re-bids.

A

Remember we're starting with 3 000 and that's a month's supply right. Typically, a user will get 100 per day, a typical user, not.

B

D

Yeah, but I'm still thinking like the the well in my experience, anyways um and obviously it's very different. I I always kept roughly between 20 and 40 000 tokens that I had accessible at any given time. So my obviously my experience is not.

A

Because you promote so much because you go out there and you write so many articles.

D

But the one to ten or even the 100 is pretty much an instant back and forth back and forth back and forth. It's kind of a waste of time for some posts.

A

For your posts, yeah for some hot posts- yes, but there are a lot of people out there that just have a few.

B

Other big news was um crap I was holding. I was holding my words for so long. I did this thing uh where damn um oh, he admitted that they will likely seek out additional funding within what was the time frame. He gave two or three years. I think I don't remember here.

D

I don't think he gave a time where I don't recall, hearing a time frame for the funding aspect of things.

B

He he said it was a.

D

A

Time yeah they will need additional funding at some point.

B

It sounds like it's on their their their road map, like they will need more funds, because this is a very cash intensive business. It costs a lot of money to make money. Just look at other tech companies like uber that are just like burning through cash trying to uh become profitable.

B

um So as far as cheney, you asked, if, like the community, would be able to invest in voice, but in my mind, uh I'm thinking a large tech company if they see value and voice to to almost acquire voice.

B

The other thing that stood out to me in regard to these types of questions was he referred to block one as our largest shareholder, not our only shareholder yeah. So it leads me to believe that there's likely already smaller players involved that just haven't been made public and I can't even speculate on who they are because I've. I have no idea well.

A

They could have uh well, I say that they could have retained some equity to resale out in the future as well- maybe maybe block one kept 51 percent and gifted them 49 to reallocate in the future as they sell, fit and sell down the road.

A

Some other interesting things was, you know, uses for tokenomics, some of the things that we kind of talked about before the ability to either up boast, upvote comments or maybe tip comments, things of that nature to to actually get some additional um uh tokenomic incentives for doing good. Doing good comments, I mean I hate to say it. Sometimes the comments like we've said before are are better than the posts themselves. So why can't I reward somebody that has a really good comment.

A

um You know the ability to utilize the tokens in multiple multiple ways um really adds value to to the tokens and value to the platform to keep people engaged.

B

I I would love to see more utility with the tokens so being able. I guess, would you be voicing comments because.

C

I know if you like a comment.

B

You do get some sort of token reward. I don't know how it works, but maybe.

A

Maybe we've talked about before maybe an up vote. Maybe you pay for up votes and pay for like a down vote. Maybe.

B

You mentioned a speaking mechanism.

A

B

A

He mentioned uh the fact that maybe communities have value invoices, I'm sorry names have value, so that goes back to kind of a bidding mechanism that we've seen before. Maybe maybe community names like we talked about you have to bid on them. You actually have to use your voice to buy and own memes. Maybe I want to own the meme community. I want to go out there and get memes I'm going to spend 100 000 voice tokens so that I can own the meme community and then at some point.

A

Maybe I get a portion of the tokens that that community earns or or you know, some other people joining- that community have a subscription fee. Who knows how it goes? Yeah.

B

I want to see I want to see paywalls, I think we've talked about this before, but I think that would be a great utility for a token is like if I made a post, if I could or a community where the cool community was behind a paywall and all you had to do is like stake or pay a certain amount of voice tokens for like a subscription. I know.

A

There you go interview with salah and it's going to cost you 100 voice tokens just to watch it well.

B

I know, while he was at forbes, uh they integrated something like that. It was a crypto paywall, some ethereum project, where you could paywall forbes content and pay with crypto to make it go away. So I think that's a super valuable tool to monetize content and rewarded.

D

Imagine that you can also say that, as we add features like this, though it delays the actual, adding value to the token, because if you're going to be able to buy token and confirm this on the last interview that you'd be able to go elsewhere to buy the tokens or not on this interview but another interview, um if I'm spending a lot of money to buy these tokens and then you're changing the game on me a month later or two months later, changing the tokenomics significantly, I might not be as happy so you know, I think it's the balance between.

D

When do we launch with something that's really good and then we add features down the line or do we keep experimenting with all these features and delay? The launch delayed the launch delayed, launch yeah.

A

I liked how he actually.

D

Said that we could get it right this time and it's either we get it right or we don't, and it could be that the token gets value he even mentioned in the example prior to the influencers coming out, which is let's say in a month.

B

Or so that is very, I I caught that also, um but I I don't know like what that's kind of like reliant upon like what needs to happen or the waiting for something it didn't sound like they were waiting on regulators for things like usually.

D

The way they took it was that they're, looking at the stats from the tokens. So as we accumulate tokens and the tokens are moved around, they, they probably analyze, all of where the tokens lie and where they are. Who has them how much post they do, how much interactions they do and they say: okay, it's too weighed heavily here, or it's not weighted heavily enough here or these people.

D

We can create profiles with them and they're, not being rewarded, they're, not being incentivized, so they end up not doing anything, and I guess they're they're, just looking at all that in the background until they see oh this, this distribution actually looks kind of cool and everybody in terms of engagement. He did say the word engagement, a lot in the engagement that we're having with these specific users or the engagement level that we're having with users in general and how many users that that represents compared to how many users are on the platform.

D

Maybe that's a certain percentage that they're looking for I I it did seem to me that they are looking at specific metrics. It wasn't just a you know, dart and and they're just guessing at this. They they have something that they're looking at.

B

Yeah, I don't want to drill him about this, because it's really not his thing, but I wanted to ask about dan how he created his own blog recently and he he he's not even cross posting to voice.

D

Kind of did cheney did the the the sneak attack approach of finding out how.

A

That relationship.

D

A

That was a follow-up question I I did want to have time for if he knew about uh dan's, blog and and if he felt some criticism was, was founded there with regards to dan, saying that both steam and voice were going slower than he wanted well to hell with it, I mean us is going slower than dan wanted, so dan's expectations about things sometimes aren't quite what reality is here.

B

It makes sense to cross posts because there's not a lot of users on voice still and not. Everyone can comment so like if you have a medium blog or a self-hosted.

D

But dan's last article was.

B

Not posted exactly and that that's where I have a problem is like it's fine, publish it everywhere. You want, as many people to see it as possible to get your ideas across to as many people as possible, but man stick with the grassroots too. You got to cross post everywhere, like.

A

Dan join easy to do the crypto writer community on voice and we'll gladly let you post all your content directly on there come on come on out man and.

D

It won't be censored.

A

And we will let you yeah put whatever you want. There come on water's warm, it's voice, we're not gonna hassle. You yeah, I was disappointed. You know uh the whole eat your own dog, food and and and critique other people's timelines.

A

B

Another podcast: let's talk some positive, so I don't.

D

Want to keep this manifesto, he mentioned that they're going to specifically say how they're not going to engage and how they're not going to do x, y and z um in order to to move the the robot four. That was pretty cool as well like. These are the things that that our competitors are doing.

D

These are the things that the industry standard or, but at this point in order to participate in the industry, you do x, y and z, we're going to put out a manifesto of not only what we're going to do, but what we essentially pledge not to do, which is.

A

Cool and how that relates even to to go governance and.

D

Yeah and the model.

A

That you know they deal with uh looking at uh content and how that may be taken care of going forward. We had some governance questions as well, but we didn't get to.

B

Yeah, unfortunately, get there too uh I'm trying to think of new stuff that came out that, like we may, have assumed, but wasn't confirmed uh multiple.

D

B

Multi blockchain application.

D

Yeah editing poster, while you guys asked that uh I did go and check you cannot edit still, which means hey guys. He kind of dropped the peanut there and we're gonna get editing post in the next week.

A

Or so that's nice and pretty much user names too, I believe, is coming pretty soon too. I think.

D

uh And for those uh listening, I I saw a lot of comments. People were still upset that you can't change your your profile picture. You can and you have been able to for almost a month now. So if you don't know how it only works on mobile as far as I know, unless, unless this new update also added it on desktop, but you can on mobile, so for those who weren't aware you can.

A

And you can adjust your feed now to only uh only people that you follow or communities you follow. So if you want us, you know find the specific people that you just want to see your content uh right now you can look at your personalized feed and it's it's there great.

B

Great initiative, someone in the live chat, asks how many users are on voice. I know we had kind of a rough estimate at one point: do you know roughly.

A

It was, it was eight to ten thousand at one point, but.

D

Last number I thought was 16k, I'm not sure how accurate that was. Somebody said that I have no idea.

B

Yeah- and that doesn't mean they're all active, but that's a lot of users and that's that's going back to I. I I well.

D

I know there's there's quite a bit at least at least 10 000, because somebody voiced a post of mine two weeks ago and ended up checking how much tokens he had how many tokens he had had like 140k how the hell do you have 140 000., I checked he's got like 9 000 followers or something like this.

A

He follows 9 000 people.

D

No, no, we had 9, 000 or so followers. So it's either a bug and it's telling me how many users are on voice. uh I should try and go find that user, but.

A

There was one that tried to follow every single user. It's.

D

Not that guy seems like it's: it's somebody from china um and his number of followers and his number of people he's following were both in the the four digits wow.

B

The rumors swirl, the cartels, are coming in they're, taking over voice.

A

um I know there was somebody that was actually queried the the blockchain somehow and and.

C

A

The void the number of tokens every single user had, and there was a number of users- was uh surprising and it's been a while, as well as the um the number of people that are lurkers versus actual posters and commenters, etc. So uh it was like 20 or 25 percent of the people were actually posters. Everybody else is just.

B

Lurker, I think it's funny like we're asked- or I was asking like when are the influencers coming, but I've noticed a few times that there's already influencers on voice. They might not be like a-list celebrities, but it's funny because they might have a hundred thousand followers on instagram and be super famous on instagram, but on on voice.

B

They get like two people voicing a post, maybe like a couple likes and it's just like you would never guess that they're, an influencer and part of it might be because they're posting under their real name instead of like whatever their instagram handle. Is they built a following on instagram.

A

No part of the problem, zach is people can't join voice exactly they can't.

B

Tell you you know so.

A

Like a few of these, like a few of these communities right that are out there now, uh like evan blass, has a hundred thousand for six hundred thousand twitter followers.

B

A

Holly brockwell has, I don't know 100 000 twitter followers, but the trouble is they've got 90 people in there in their communities because they can't invite their influence or their their followers. Just.

B

Yet there's some challenges with that, because I think, with the unique identity now that they kind of don't make kyc mandatory you'll probably need a kyc to cash out or trade. Any tokens at some point. But it's kind of I. I see it as a way to build a web of trust so like when I invite my friends, I'm almost validating that I I know these people are human and I'm trusting them to join the platform.

B

But if you're a major influencer, I have a million followers on twitter and I post my referral link on there. Just because I want you to join voice doesn't mean I vouch for everyone who joins under my referral code, but I also think referrals are going to be a great way for influencers to monetize their influence to onboard people onto voice. So it would be.

A

Pretty easy to get get. You know five percent of your your uh ref referral link users for a year or two of her life. Who knows.

B

A

Be very very um good way to to reward people for going out there and sharing the good word about voice. I'd like to see that even.

D

They're definitely doing some identity checks, because I was asked to change my profile picture.

A

um Oh you, you look a little weird.

D

Because in my profile picture I have no beard, and now I have a beard and the algorithm or yeah, I don't recall. If the 3d picture I took had a beard and then my profile picture didn't have a beard, they didn't like it, and so they contacted me and they said, did you know the 3d can't recognize you and then I said: okay? Well, I'm a public figure. So clearly you know who I am I'm talking to somebody on the other end.

D

I would imagine you know who I am and then the issue became not that the 3d couldn't recognize, but that in my profile pic I had my hand like this. I think it's the hat picture and they said you need to remove your hand. You need to choose another picture. That doesn't have your hand at this point. I'm clearly talking to a human being. Who clearly knows who I am because they started referring to me as eve and no longer just hello, um so they are doing some checks.

D

I would imagine that that's part of the issue as well is just the scaling up of this. If they're still doing manual checks, there's no way you're, adding that many people plus, if we look at back at the tech side of things when the iphone 12 pictures leaked, um what's his name, blas uh ryan blass or something about that, uh he he crashed voice essentially by having too many people try to, and that's when my account got, I couldn't access my account for a week, so so we we still definitely have pain.

D

Points like this is still definitely in a beta.

A

It's it's beta and people don't realize that the marketing is not time for marketing. Yet I mean you know.

B

Which is quite another reason why I was so surprised by him saying influencers sooner or later than I would have personally guessed.

D

He didn't say influencers with 20 million followers.

A

D

Justin bieber's coming on next.

A

You're, an influencer zach come on you're already on the platform microsome.

B

Influencer to a couple hundred people in the world.

A

On twitter and youtube, so there you go uh it was. It was interesting to hear that the timelines and I'm happy for them, but I'm not still not putting too much too much weight on on some of those we'll see how it goes.

A

uh But hey don't forget guys. I mentioned it before join the uh join the crypto rider community. We are looking uh looking for those people to come out and join us. uh We have a whopping uh 337 members right now, let's see if we get 350, but at the end of the day, that'd be pretty I'm one of them.

B

A

Bring it in, we.

B

Gotta there are some interesting.

A

Communities out there check them out if you haven't, haven't done so yet.

D

Maybe you guys know since I, since I joined before since I was put into the the voice community, I can no longer choose when I post what type of post it is.

A

uh You see you're saying categories are gone, yeah.

D

Yeah categories.

A

Categories are now gone, I believe they may make it make a comeback. uh I was gonna ask that question, but we kind of got sidetracked.

B

They were kind of limited anyway. I don't think I.

D

Like them they're using that's how I found the interesting writers, I went and found some categories that I liked, and then I was hoping that when my feed came out that I'd be able to go and find even more people from specific categories, um and I also saw that it was a way to reach out to different people. So obviously most of my posts will be crypto related and yes, nation vp, but some of the posts, the way that I wrote them was more business or was more wellness or was more philosophy got it.

D

I actually enjoyed you know, giving a tag. Even if it's just one tag I enjoyed giving one tag uh to potentially go and get some of those people to to read those posts.

A

Well, there you go you've, given your feedback now um and I would like to say to anybody you know maybe maybe zach. Maybe we make a a new, a new voice, podcast, maybe every month or two we have uh you know invite rick or invite emily or or somebody else on here to talk about communities or talk about uh the social networks that they're on now, uh maybe bailey or something like that. Maybe we should have a have a public round table or something.

B

Look at you name, dropping everyone, you like know the whole team.

A

You can go right now on voice and you can actually look at their profiles. It's pretty neat guys. You know you can follow them and see what they have to post, um so it'd be kind of cool, though maybe we have have some interviews with them: invite them on and have a regular. You know once once, every month or two uh everything voice, podcast.

B

Fine by me, man, it would actually be the it wouldn't be the longest running voice podcast, because the bad crypto guys have been doing it since, like.

A

B1 jun, we missed our calling. We should have just thrown one out there at the very beginning.

D

Damn it, but they haven't been continuing on the voice. Podcast.

C

Will be the longest running.

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One, if they're not running anymore you'd, be the only voice running podcast.

B

That's that's how we became the longest running eos podcast, because eos go.

D

And eos radio was technically.

B

First, so we were second but we're the longest running. Definitely yeah most.

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By hours by far.

A

Well, guys anything else that you.

B

Yeah any uh any talks about yeah anything to get the sentiment turned around. I know we'll have to have a special episode here soon, once we have some uh positive things to discuss. Well, we.

D

We shared yesterday uh the bsn news and.

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You asked you know: why is that relevant or can you can you give the tl dr basically.

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Yeah and it's huge.

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And this is something so when.

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When I came on and let's let's start once again, stop stop just one second. Can we step back for the people here that may not even know what the hell bsn is, so please please take it back. I know you're excited I can tell people are probably going what what's bsn what the.

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So the bsn network is, uh I should even know what the acronym stands for, but I can't think of it right now. um I'll explain what it is. The acronym is irrelevant um in china.

D

uh I believe it's maybe a year and a half ago now, uh there's this entity that that got spun up and uh it's comprised of four different pillars or four four founding members, um one of them being china telecom, which is the largest uh telecommunications provider in china um and the other one being red day, tech which which are taking care of the the technical components of this um and then two other founders and I'm not sure exactly, but specifically what their their roles are.

D

Essentially, these four got together and they decided to do some kind of. I guess you would call it a portal, a gateway towards if you're a developer and you and you don't necessarily know blockchain, um but you you've heard of blockchain and but you don't necessarily have the time to do all of the the legwork to find out which blockchain I should use, because at this point there's hundreds of thousands of them. um Where should I go? Do I need to you know where? Where should I get the apis? Where should I?

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Where should I connect to? How do I basically all the technical background of I'm a developer, and I want to build something and I want to build on blockchain, but I have no idea, you know, that's where I'm starting, that's all I know um and dsn was set up for that. It's like basically a portal that that offers you similar way to what uh let's say amazon does with uh hyper ledger, and I would imagine what google might do with eos.

D

You want to set up a blockchain here are the blockchains that we've whitelisted, that we've got the infrastructure set up and that we can funnel you into depending on what your particular use case is and they've got it permission, blockchains permissionless, blockchains they've got packages for you, you don't care on which blockchain you just want to put your information on a blockchain. Here's an option or you do care about. The blockchain here are the different ones and here's how you can get it done and eos was chosen very, very early on.

D

I think it was the second one, so it's a theorem in eos as the blockchains of choice and they're, the predominant ones that are being marketed essentially um and bsn. Very much is like this: it's it's a marketing portal. It's a it's! The your first entryway gateway into blockchain space. So.

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It stands for blockchain blockchain-based service network, a standardized internet services provided for decentralized, dap developers, and it will make 24 public chains available in its network for chinese users starting in the second half of november. Thank you and.

B

Eos would not have been possible without eos nation. We talked about.

D

The future earlier I want to give the so eos was possible without us. um Technically uh they could of just spun up their own eos change. You could do your own, I o iteration, and I think that that's where they were heading. So I don't want to put words in their mouths, but the idea was that you, you could just spin up esio iterations, uh because it's quite expensive to run on minute and they're they're different key pieces of this, and they had done a a partnership with defuse a long time ago.

D

I think it was announced- maybe six months or so ago, and but you were still missing, that free offering, if you, if you actually wanted to deploy a main net, well defuse wasn't offering anymore, and so you would either go from from nothing to.

D

I now need to pay the fuse or the reason why we came in, and one of the things that we wanted to push was we're going to take care of the free portion of things as long as you make sure that it's on mainnet and what you're offering is mainland, we'll make sure that people don't have any costs so that they can deploy.

D

Then if they have a particular need or if they have enterprise grade services, that they requirements that that they have they'll be able to go to defuse. But without that key middle component. Mainnet was not necessarily as attractive in offering simply because there are costs and so we're taking on those costs. On behalf of all the application developers and because we're talking about china we're talking about really the the gateway and we're talking about china telecom, which is the largest telecom. By far, the idea is volume.

D

So really what this is going to do um in in an ideal scenario, is bring tons and tons and tons of developers on the eos mainnet. Now so no longer.

B

D

Awesome maintenance. That's.

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Huge and there's some great new developer onboarding materials uh on training, dot, eos dot io from my boy, peter k. So if someone wants to learn how to get started, it's really easy, uh whether public network private network, hopefully the eos network, but I'm excited to hear that um so the other.

B

I guess pressing eos questions since it's been a while, since we we've had you on talk and since we've even done any episodes, um do you have any updates on any any movement with google since they've announced their block producer candidacy, um I I've heard that, like people wanted to vote for them at first and they're like hold on, let's start slowly, are they kind of ramping up anything? What's communication like or yeah.

D

I want to clarify, because some people put words in my mouth. I never said that google told me please that was never a thing that I said you can't find that anywhere, because I never said that. So the discussions that I did have with google was that they they did clarify that they are slowly ramping up. Google is a large organization, and so it you know, takes time, um but that they do have a dedicated team.

D

I know that they have at least three people full-time that I'm aware of, um and I know where they are, and they're globally present, so they're not in the same time zone, so they will have global coverage uh and, as far as I can tell, they are working towards this. Another caveat that I want to put and which is very important, is that people believe that, because google has infrastructure, all they need to do is click a button and then they're done.

D

That's not how it works. It really doesn't work that way you you do need sure the infrastructure is obviously useful, but it's not as though you just take the software double-click. A button press enter and then now you're good. It doesn't work that way, um and even if it is that, because it is possible, you can get the scripts and you can't do that still need to know when it doesn't behave as expected and the harder part. What do you do? How do you debug?

D

How do you maintain these nodes open and it's not just one node people also think well, they just need to run their bp. We have at this point I believe over 160 different nodes. Just for mainnet.

D

It's not one click button finish. So it does take a significant amount of time and even once, you've got all your infrastructure set up which clearly they have the infrastructure availability, but to be able to run it to maintain it to to to know how node.js works to know all the particular settings. All the block producers are different, running different configs.

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I can share with you what my configs are in general, but there's so many different concepts that we've changed over time um and then my behavior will be very different than yours, so you're gonna have to change your configs anyways you're, going to need to run that in a private network at first you're going to need to set up all your your your your configs for your particular. You know infrastructure.

D

It takes quite a bit of time. um So that's the premise! Now your question was: have I heard or or do I know when they're going to be onboarding, I still don't have a date. They have been in communication, but very very little so I'll be up front. uh The communication with them has been very limited.

D

uh Was it perhaps premature for them to come out? This is another question. uh We still see that their bp.json still needs work. um Is that really relevant right now? Not so much if, if they're not ready anyways, is there a big conspiracy to keep them out? No they're, not they're, not ready, they're, clearly, not ready, uh and when they're ready. We, you know, we we particularly we had voted for them.

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We thought that they were closer to being deployed than they are, and then we unvoted for them when they told me that they weren't, and it would take time.

B

Because in stability, if they were producing node, it would be risks of instability like they haven't, been able to produce.

D

Right now they- let's not kid ourselves, it has nothing to do with whether or not you're, google or whether or not you have access to infrastructure, it's quite complex to to run the eos io blockchain. It's not something you do overnight.

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It's not that's not a thing.

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Google can't run on.

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Eve said that google can't no that's not what I said it takes time.

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um And we've offered our.

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Help and I know that other people are helping as well. uh So it's you know the community, as far as I can tell have been very you know, welcoming open arms. uh Yes, it's been a month or so since the announcement, and it would have been great to have them. You know a little bit more active uh since then, but they're not is it still great news? Yeah. It's amazing news. It's awesome. It's really really good. Do.

A

You know if they have like a an interest in and doing more than just running a note. Are they going to have a community person just around.

D

I don't know I honestly uh so your first question of: do they have interest more than running a node. My impression is yes, um I can't go any further than that, but my impression is yes. The second question, though, about the community management aspect of things. I really don't know.

B

I just I want to point out. I I shared this in the everything us telegram. I've shared with a bunch of you guys individually, but if you read the um article about eosio for business like the press release or whatever it was in coindesk coin telegraph, whatever one it specifically says, it mentions that google was announced as a bp recently, but it said the blockchain is a service, and this like business arm of block one's running on aws ws.

B

So there there's gotta be like something more to it. I I couldn't get anything out of bart, uh but like it just it's not a pure infrastructure play where google is just trying to get block one's business, because the article said aws has their business right now. So if, if that's the case, then that there's something else uh there and I don't know what that is- I'm not even going to speculate on it, but I I do have high hopes for this.

D

um I would say that if people are expecting like, I know one particular question that was asked because it was the resource model, uh people were asking: why isn't google participating in the resource model discussions if you're participating in the resource model discussions you're so far, deep in eos, you've spent so much time that you're able to participate in that good? For you, that's awesome.

D

It's great that you're participating for somebody new to come in and somehow add something valuable to that and assign a person that'd be working on this and and doing back and forth. I'm sorry, but that's.

A

Unrealistic at this point months worth of research at least yeah and.

D

We've known the history of.

B

Yeah it'd be very difficult. You have to understand all of the shortcomings, all of the different phases and all the history.

D

How we got here I mean- I don't know what the number of patches is at this point, so going back to even the infrastructure component things we've patched eos at least a hundred times since launch and every single one. It is key to why we are here today and how eos io behaves why it does and how it does today catching up on that. Is that we're talking about a lot of time here.

B

Oh so geez, whoever understand man, we're gonna, be telling our grandkids about it. Remember ecaf, remember when rex locked.

D

Up yeah, I remember when rexia, when there was a lock up with rex, uh it's it's. It's been really interesting on the resource model. Another thing you asked if there's anything new, I recorded a show with grey mass last week, uh a coffee with grey mask podcast. I believe it should be out this week.

D

I thought it should be out um already by now, but uh yeah, if you're interested in the resource model- and you want to know a more technical and uh we did go into the weeds, but also very high level of why we are where we are today. What's going on, what are the issues? You know where the where the debates at right now, because it is, is an important topic. I invite you to check that out when it comes out.

D

uh Always a good discussion between uh between aaron and I and miles was there as well, he facilitated discussion. It was really good.

B

Is he still cooking being a chef? I think that was the last thing I saw was his passion.

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Yeah a random question, I I don't know the answer: either: hey.

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Haven't called out uh kevin rosa, hey kevin, don't forget, we will we'll let you come on the show whenever you're ready.

B

Open invite buddy, I typically will do every.

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Episode to make sure he knows that still still stands.

A

Anything else about eos or even even voice. You know, for we forgot to mention they're up to 80 people. Now I think the last interview I heard 60., so they are growing pretty fast and I went out on linkedin and they have a whole bunch of new new employees there and some interesting job roles as well. So you can check out everybody on linkedin.

B

Yeah, I'm gonna definitely click through. I wanna see if they got any like people with the proper backgrounds. I know you don't have to come from a big tech company to have the right background. You can have the right skill set, but I would like to see like some key hires, like you know, from like instagram snapchat facebook, like any anyone with that kind of pedigree, even like in a vp role or something I would love to see a product person from like a a established big player.

B

It's not necessary, but I would feel good about seeing that and I think I think I will, if I dig for it.

A

Yeah, you can go back and look at their work, history. um You know I it's not quite the same. I think I remember um someone wouldn't work for jiffy. You.

B

Know I don't think they'll have problem scooping up talent. I mean they're in brooklyn, new york city, so the location's not going to really be an issue for for onboarding.

A

What else there's a lot of digital media.

B

A

We just read into some of these comments. I hadn't been checking out here. Lately blancos, you know, everybody got their got their packs.

B

November 7 17 17- I I don't know somewhere before thanksgiving.

D

Or so uh the elections associated press have been. If you go check the account, it's been every 15 minutes. There's this timestamp of uh the current.

A

Is there a a a nice way, interface for people to see that versus just having to go.

B

Yes, amsterdam, I saw it cc, I don't even know this guy's name cc the numbers. Everyone knows who he is. He released something I thought I saw a blog article or something.

D

Yeah, but so we we've reached out to stan, I hope dan is listening. We actually reach out to him because we want to include this in this week's hot sauce. um However, our my take on it when I read it, it's not a simple thing: it's it's for developers and you actually need to go and query the blockchain anyway, so it wasn't. It's not a ui that anybody can look into it's like kind of misleading, guys. Amsterdam.

D

Your title is pretty, but thank you for that and we're reaching out to figure out how we can get it so that we so that when we do put it out in the hot sauce this week, people can actually go and query that and see that.

B

So I haven't checked the news in the last couple hours: we still don't have a idea of who's next president, yet.

A

There's three or four swing states that haven't been finalized, yet any one of them could make it go. One way will take a while yeah. So, let's see what else is out there. We don't know about the financial product, no news there.

B

Are you bullish on the financial product two both of you.

D

Yeah, I'm for sure everything.

A

That the d1 announces that impacts the us yeah me too bullish on it. I just like to you know, know more uh yeah, you know. That's all me.

B

Too, I I think there we didn't get to ask it, but we talked about this in our notes and stuff how we think that, where we hope that there's an integration with voice and they use their own like financial product as the fiat on and off ramp type thing.

A

Yeah we talked I kind of asked that question about getting it off. He never quite said how that would work, because they have to have some sort of integration if you're actually going to get paid in other forms of currencies.

A

I still hope that voice is an easy, easy one ramp once they get their identity solution, hammered out and opened up for the masses uh and eventually that that becomes an on-ramp for use, but not holding my breath anymore.

B

All right man, I I think, we've been going an hour and a half. This is a long one.

C

B

Guys are going to be back, we will do an episode that will be have a title focus more on eos, because I don't even know if people are going to watch this. We had a surprise eve guest here. So I'll have to rewrite the description. Maybe even do a new thumbnail, but I'm sure you guys will be back we'll do one soon.

B

um Maybe I don't know around the blancos. Maybe we'll talk about that. I don't know. Maybe.

D

Like early december, I think would be a good time to have a show.

A

Yeah after the holidays, I think so early.

B

December is a good time.

D

Christmas around the corner, yeah.

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I didn't say anything I said: maybe it's worthwhile having a show early in december, which.

A

Would be at about a month saying we can celebrate christmas eve together. I am santa claus. Hanukkah, I'm not sure what else I can do out there, I'm just trying to trying to gauge your reaction here. All.

D

Right, well, hey guys smiling that way, there's no difference between smiling and not smiling.

A

So zach- and this was a this- was an everything voice episode and it was I'm here in an office environment today, a lot of people. I can't go out and do a really large go. Yes. Do you want to end up on the on the old uh fist bump go voice today? What are we doing here? Man? We didn't talk about this, oh look at that there we go. No, I'm cheney, moore, I'm zach! Oh.

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This is has been everything voice.

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