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From YouTube: School Board Special Meeting - February 14, 2014
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Fargo Public Schools - Board of Education Special Meeting - Live Broadcast - February 14, 2014
B
A
B
All
right
we're
going
to
start
I'd
like
to
call
this
meeting
a
special
meeting
at
the
fargo
school
board
to
order
the
statement
of
purpose
of
today's
meeting
is
to
discuss
awarding
of
hvac
contracts
for
our
mckinley,
possibly
madison,
and
the
hvac
project
in
general
approval
of
oh.
Before
we
begin
we
have
in
the
room.
B
We
have
linda
boyd,
chris
wallman,
jim
johnson,
rusty
popacic,
dr
schatz,
dr
gross
rachel,
agree
brock,
leets,
jim
free
and
brad,
and
on
the
phone
we
have
robin
nelson
rick
steen
john
strand
and
is
paul
myers
there.
Yet,
okay,
if
paul,
joins
us,
we'll
let
you
know
so
now
the
approval
of
the
agenda,
jim.
D
B
E
B
C
Which
four
would
we
do
and
if
we
approve
a
bid
we'll
say
for
mckinley
today?
Obviously
that
one
is
in
motion
at
that
point
in
time,
and
we
really
don't
know
the
entire
scope
of
the
project
so
either.
I
think
we've
painted
ourselves
into
a
position
where
we
have
to
just
about
approve
each
of
these
as
they
come
to
us,
whether
they're,
high
or
low,
or
collectively,
we're
not
going
to
know
what
we're
doing
until
we
get
to
the
end.
C
F
Could
is
this
on?
Can
you
hear
it?
The
board
unanimously
agreed
that
we
would
put
hvac
in
all
of
our
buildings
and
budget
wise.
We
can,
but
that
doesn't
mean
we're
going
to
take
whatever
bid
comes
our
way,
and
I
think
that
the
right
way
to
go
is
to
proceed
as
we
have
been.
We
sort
of
agreed
that
this
was
the
plan.
Mckinley
came
in
under
the
board
is
all
right.
F
The
administration
has
recommended
that
madison
go
back
and
I
think
we
just
take
them
as
they
come,
because
we're
not
going
to
spend
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
over
to
put
air
conditioning
in
madison,
and
I
have
every
confidence
that
we'll
get
a
bid,
that's
within
our
budget,
and
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
be
spending
millions
over
what
we
anticipated.
There's
no
reason
at
this
point
for
us
to
think
that
that's
the
case,
so
my
sense
is
that
we
just
follow
our
plan
that
we
have
laid
out.
F
We
approve
the
engineering
costs
we
have
approved
following
through
with
putting
air
conditioning
into
all
our
buildings
and
there's
no
reason
at
this
point
for
us
to.
You
know
panic
because
we
got
one
bid
with
madison,
which
happens
to
have
some
extra
issues
with
it
that
came
in
over.
So
I
don't
think
we
need
to
revisit
the
whole
process.
B
G
The
current
order
of
the
bits-
and
maybe
brockton
just
speak
to
that
real
quick
members
of
the
board
rick
the
current
order
of
the
bids,
we'll
start
from
the
beginning,
so
madison
obviously
was
first
mckinley.
We
will
be
looking
at
today,
lewis
and
clark
will
open
on
tuesday,
claire
barton
will
open
on
thursday.
G
B
H
H
H
There
are,
with
lewis
and
clark,
we're
going
to
see
some
very
tight
bids,
possibly
could
be
a
little
bit
up,
could
be
a
little
bit
down.
We
don't
know
yet
we'll
find
out
with
madison.
We've
talked
yesterday
about
making
some
adjustments
to
that
and
possibly
getting
that
bid
much
closer
to
what
the
estimate
was.
H
So
you
know,
as
we
work
through
the
process,
I
think
the
bottom
line
is
is:
are
we
going
to
put
air
conditioning
and
new
hvac
systems
into
these
buildings?
That's
the
first
question.
The
second
question
then
becomes
if,
as
we
work
our
way
through
it,
we
find
that
there
are
some
complexities
with
a
particular
building
and
that's
causing
the
bids
to
go
up.
Well
then,
maybe
that's
the
building
that
doesn't
get
the
first
priority.
B
Rick,
do
you
want
to
respond
before
what?
Because
I
can't
hear
everything
that's
being
said,
but
you
know,
I
think
the
concern
is
as
we
if
we
start
awarding
projects
and
for
some
reason
we
think
we've
overrun
the
budget
and
we've
already
made
decisions
if
we
make
the
right
decisions,
so
that's
kind
of
where
jim's
coming
from
I'm
guessing.
But
the
point
is,
is
we've
got
you
know,
we've
got
a
big
project
next
tuesday
and
again
that'll,
be,
I
think,
one
of
the
larger
projects
I
think
we're
getting
out.
B
So
I'm
thinking
everything
I've
heard
and
everything
I
feel
is
that
lewis
and
clark
for
different
reasons
is
probably
one
of
their
priority
projects.
I
could
be
wrong
about
that
and
all
that's
coming
up
on
tuesday
and
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
run
out
of
budget
by
tuesday
if
we
approve
mckinley
today.
G
Madam
president,
members
of
the
board-
certainly
I
don't
think
dr
schatz
or
I
are
trying
to
avoid
the
priority
question,
but
I
think
there's
a
bigger
question
and
a
bigger
scope.
I'll
start
with
a
simple
answer:
we
have
not
sat
down
and
said
one
two,
three,
four,
five
six.
This
is
the
order
we
would
do
them
in
if
we
were
king
for
a
day,
so
we
have
not
done
that,
but
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
the
question
being.
G
I
look
at
this
purely
as
a
financial
decision
that
if
philosophically
we've
decided
as
a
district
and
as
a
board
that
this
is
the
direction
we
want
to
go
for
our
buildings.
Now
it
becomes
a
question
of
how
many
resources
have
we
committed
to
it
and
do
we
feel
comfortable
with
those
resources
I'll
take
you
back
to
the
december
10th
memo
that
the
board
approved
and
let's
just
talk
about
construction
costs,
because,
as
you
recall,
that
memo
had
a
different
fee
structure
from
jim's
motion
that
finally
got
approved
and
was
accepted
by
o
e.
G
Okay,
so
we
need
to
do
some
work
inside
the
ductwork.
Instead,
that
has
brought
the
cost
of
that
partic.
The
estimate,
okay,
purely
the
estimate
for
lewis
and
clark
from
2.579
million
to
a
new
estimate,
lewis
and
clark
of
1.9
million,
now
understand
that
as
bids
come
in,
things
might
be
a
little
higher
a
little
lower
than
estimate.
But
what
I
want
to
remind
you
of
is
on
a
whole
scope.
Okay,
that
was
approved
at
11.2
million.
G
We
have
a
confidence
that
we're
working
on
an
estimate
significantly
lower
than
that
five
to
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
lower
than
that,
so
madison
was
a
little
higher.
Mckinley
is
coming
a
little
lower.
I've
got
every
confidence
that,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
will
come
in
on
or
below
the
11
million
980.
Now
the
question
becomes:
is
that
important
to
you?
G
Is
it
about
that
number
or
is
it
each
individual
building
and
it
might
be
both
at
some
point,
as
you
saw
on
tuesday
night,
the
administration
did
not
bring
you
a
recommendation
to
award
bid
because
we
too
were
uncomfortable
with,
is
200
000
as
a
percentage
of
overage.
Is
that
too
much
in
a
building?
G
We
wanted
to
see
more
as
well,
but
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
each
project
and
then
also
keep
in
mind
the
entire
scope
and
if
the
entire
scope
comes
in
below
our
original
approval,
are
we
comfortable
with
that?
Or
do
we
really
want
to
make
sure
each
individual
project
comes
in
on
or
below?
I'm?
I
can
tell
you
from
my
perspective.
G
What
is
our
ability
to
bond
and
do
we
fit
within
that
27.3
million
dollars
between
the
new
elementary
and
the
six
hvac
projects,
and
I
have
every
confidence
at
this
point
that
we
will.
So
that's
good
news
about
mckinley
talking
about.
Excuse
me
about
lewis
and
clark
talking
about
scope.
The
other
thing
is
brent
and
his
team
have
as
a
result
of
looking
at
what
what
came
in
with
madison,
have
revisited
with
contractors.
They
understand
that
we
weren't
comfortable
with
that.
We
wanted
them
to
sharpen
their
pencils.
G
The
other
thing
is,
we
feel
like
there
might
be
some
room
in
some
upcoming
projects,
and
so
I
think
we've
got
to
consider
where
we
have
that.
So
I
just
want
to
give
you
kind
of
that
understanding
of
the
project
as
a
whole,
so
that
you
maybe
feel
a
little
more
comfortable
that
you're
still
working
on
a
number,
a
big
number
at
the
end
of
the
day,
that
I
believe
that
we
will
attain.
H
Think
what
I'd
like
to
do,
if
it's
okay
with
the
board,
is
to
have
brent,
address
the
board
and
revisit
the
the
process
of
the
bids
and
the
rationale
behind
why
the
bids
were
each
individually
set
up
over
a
period
of
time?
I
think
that
would
be
good
information
for
the
board
to
hear,
because
there
is,
there
is
a
process
there
and
a
reason
behind
that
process,
and
so,
if
that's,
okay,
dinah,
I
think
that
would
be
good
for
us
to
hear.
I
Was
lighting
now
it's
even
brighter,
so
I
assume
that
it's
on.
Oh,
the
reason
we
went
through
and
put
the
the
six
projects
staggered
them
together
has
kind
of
twofold
in
the
whole
thing.
First
of
all,
is
we
feel
we
know
that
you'd
have
a
better
bid
price
on
six
individual
schools
compared
to
just
one
at
a
time,
just
looking
at
the
sheer
vastness
of
the
work,
doing
the
takeoffs
understanding
how
contractors
pull
off
detailed
estimates.
I
If
you
can
break
it
down
into
smaller
pieces,
they
can
be
more
finite
in
their
in
their
estimating,
which
keeps
away
the
I
didn't
get
everything
figured
out,
so
I'm
going
to
put
a
little
bit
extra
into
it.
That
was
one
of
the
reasons
on
it.
The
second
reason
on
there
is
that
we
avoid
having
one
contractor
having
all
six
schools
which
we
could
not
allow
one
contractor
to
handle
this
much
work.
We
know
they
would
not
get
it
done
and
meet
it
on
the
timeline
that
was
there
there's.
I
Actually
a
third
item
that's
associated
with
as
well
is
we
want
to
start
getting
these
projects
going
in
in
the
queue
we
have
them?
Stagger
so
if
we
can
get
the
first
project
awarded
whether
it's
madison
or
mckinley,
we
can
get
the
shop
drawing
process
we
get
the
contracts
awarded.
I
mean
the
time
starts
now
of
clicking.
I
mean
we
need
to
get
equipment
on
site
to
the
school,
so
the
contractors
can
get
them
installed.
I
I
I
If
we
don't
have
an
award
here,
we
have
wrapper
given
sons
low
on
madison
and
we
have
manning
low
on
on
madison.
At
this
point
in
mckinley
right
now,
they're
going
through
and
they're
trying
to
bid
the
future
projects,
they
can
only
handle
so
much
work
as
themselves
and
if
they
are
not
knowing
that
they
were
awarded
mckinley
or
madison,
they
could
be
alone
the
next
project
which
to
make
that
work.
I
For
them
they
may
have
to
put
more
manpower
into
the
project,
so
they
increase
their
their
bid
price
in
case
they
were
low
on
two
or
three
projects.
They
know
they
can
be
low
on
one
because
they
can
be.
I
could
take
all
my
manpower
and
focus
on
the
job.
Now,
if
I'm
low
on
three,
but
I
haven't
been
told,
I
was
awarded
the
first
one.
Now
I'm
gonna
get
award
three.
I
need
to
have
extra
manpower
in
there.
So
that's
the
concerns.
A
B
B
G
Members
of
the
board
linda.
Yes,
I
have
confidence,
I
don't
think
the
the.
I
don't
think
those
numbers
are
quite
right
here.
I
would
break
it
down
like
this,
so
about
purely
from
estimate
now
remember
because
the
madison
estimate
the
bids
came
in
a
little
higher,
so,
let's,
let's
say
about
600
000
in
the
changes
in
lewis
and
clark
to
the
good
madison
came
in
about
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
over.
G
G
I
think
where
the
numbers
shake
out,
but
certainly
feeling
like
there
is
confidence
that
there's
room
from
the
original
approval
from
the
board
to
what
we
found
out
once
we
got
out
to
bid
and
decisions
we
made
because
it
just
made
logical
sense
to
save
those
dollars
if
you
could
and
still
accomplish
the
same
thing.
So
I
would
say
my
estimate
right
now
is
that
our
our
flexibility
is
in
the
four
to
five
hundred
thousand
dollar
range
and
brent.
I'm
going
to
look
at
you
to
verify
if
that's
accurate,
I.
I
I
definitely
think
so,
and
you
ask
myself
and
my
wife
and
my
other
colleagues,
I
always
say
I'm
an
optimist-
I'm
not
a
pessimist
on
there
and
you
were
dr
schatz.
You
talked
about
this
earlier.
I
think
the
the
lewis
and
clark
is
the
next
bid
that
we're
going
to
have
is
going
to
be
off
the
new
estimate
again,
where
bridge
investment
was
2.5
million.
With
the
changes
that
I
found
out
there,
I
thought
I
could
bring
that
down
to
about
1.9,
I
feel
we're
going
to
be
on.
I
I
H
G
Madam
president,
members
of
the
board,
when
we
talk
about
alternates,
what
we
did
is
we
really
looked
at
the
proposal
that
o
e
brought
to
us
in
in
whole
was
about
cooling
and
air
quality.
That's
what
we
asked
them
to
do
and
that's
what
they
brought
as
we
then
started
to
to
get
into
the
buildings
and
dig
deeper.
G
We
realized
that
there
were
other
things
that,
while
we're
in
there
should,
we
also
do
x
things
like
emergency
lighting,
for
example,
at
madison
or
dual
fuel
boilers,
which
would
give
us
the
opportunity
to
be
on
off
peak
so
that
then
we
get
savings
on
off
peak
should
we
need
a
backup
system
to
get
pushed
off
and
off
peak.
What
does
that
do
for
us?
It
helps
us
with
a
minimum
of
probably
a
20
discount
on
electrical
costs.
Maybe
even
greater
rusty
has
some
experience
with
that.
He
could
probably
speak
to.
G
So
what
we've
done
is
in
every
bid.
We've
got
a
number
of
alternates
and
right
now
we're
working
purely
on
base
bid
at
the
end
of
the
day.
If
we
end
up
having
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
less
in
the
11.2
million
that
was
originally
approved,
will
revisit
and
say:
should
we
consider
while
we're
in
there
now
is
it
is,
should
we
be
pennywise
instead
of
pound
foolish?
If
that's
that's
the
way,
we
look
at
it
and
say:
do
it
now
to
save
having
to
do
it
later?
G
If
there's
room
to
do
it,
and
do
we
want
to
do
that,
but,
and
also
that's,
not
a
critical
decision
today
we
can
award
bids
on
the
base
and
when
this
is
all
said
and
done,
we
can
go
back
two
three
weeks
a
month
from
now
and
say
to
the
contractors
we
want
to
take
this
alternate,
because
now
we
feel
we
have
the
room
to
do
it
and
it
makes
sense
they
can
start
the
process
on
the
other
things
that
they
need
to
do
so
still,
we've
got
some
flexibility
and
costs.
We
have
some
alternates.
G
We
would
revisit
at
that
time
if
it
makes
sense
for
the
district
if
it
makes
sense
within
the
scope
of
the
project,
and
if
you
know
some
of
these
things
are
likely
on
our
10-year
long-term
maintenance
plan
anyway.
So
do
you
put
them
in
now?
Do
it
while
the
building's
open
do
it?
While
the
contractors
are
in
there
get
those
things
done
and
those
that
are
somewhere
else
on
the
10-year
plan,
then
they
get
moved
up
because
now
is
the
right
time.
D
D
I
I'll
answer
your
first
question.
First
first
question
is
with
lewis
and
clark:
I
don't
know
if
we're
getting
new
bidders
on
lewis
and
clark,
I
know
we're
going
to
get
new
bidders
on
horace
mann,
roosevelt
and
claire
barton.
I
got
some
of
my
bigger
contractors
that
are
waiting
to
get
on
those
projects.
That's
the
ones
that
they
want
to
have.
I
did
have
a
conversation
last
night
with
one
of
the
contractors
they
are
going
to
be
going
after
lewis,
clark
extremely
extremely
extremely
hard.
I
They
haven't
they're
not
low
on
the
first
two,
their
staff
is,
they
have
no
work
this
summer
and
they
said
they
are
gonna.
They
will
be
getting
this
project
and
they're
gonna
come
in
very,
very,
very
strong
and
they
have
been
bidding
on
the
other
two
projects
already,
so
they
see
where
their
competition's
at,
but
he
can
basically
said
you
might
well
put
us
in
for
the
lewis
and
clark
projects
because
we'll
be
getting
that
one.
I
The
second
question
that
you
had
over
there
is:
are
we
going
to
the
boiler
itself?
The
recommendation
that
I
said
when
we
came
through
on
the
design
is
that
we
had
steam
boilers
in
a
lot
of
these
facilities
to
retrofit
the
steam
into
hot
water
takes
x.
Amount
of
dollars
takes
about
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
make
that
switch
over.
I
My
recommendation
is
at
that
point:
instead
of
putting
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
into
revamping
an
existing
old
steam,
inefficient
boiler,
let's
go
in
and
take
something
that's
75,
70
percent
efficient,
move
it
up
to
a
95
to
a
98,
efficient,
hot
water
boiler
at
a
marginal
cost
increase
of
about
150
000
per
location.
I
do
not
have
it
broken
out
that
if
we
chose
not
to
do
that,
we
don't
have
a
design
to
go
back
in
in
place
at
this
point
to
go
back
and
use
the
existing
system
in
there.
I
What
we
did
do,
though,
when
it
was
touched
on
briefly
here,
is
we
put
in
a
an
alternate
bid
for
a
dual
fuel
boiler.
A
dual
fuel
boiler
gives
us
the
opportunity
to
run
natural
gas
and
fuel
oil.
The
base
bid
boiler
that
we
have
right
now
is:
is
natural
gas
only.
It's
a
high
efficiency,
natural
gas.
The
alternate
gives
us
still
a
high
efficiency,
natural
gas
saving
efficiencies,
but
it
does
give
you
a
backup
to
run
the
fuel
oil
right
now.
I
Your
schools
are
running
about
15
000,
to
let's
say
thousand
dollars
on
the
high
end
per
year
for
natural
gas,
with
with
this
extra
boiler
that
you
put
on
here
with
the
dual
fuel,
your
the
cost
of
your
your
fuel
goes
down
or
stays
where
it's
at.
If
you
choose
not
to
use
a
dual
foil
option,
you
go
to
a
firm
gas
rate.
Your
your
price
goes
up:
20
percent
the
cost
of
the
fuel.
I
I
But
if
you
put
the
dual
fuel
in
there,
you
stay
at
the
interruptible
rate.
So
now
you
were
20
percent
better
because
of
a
better
boiler
and
twenty
percent,
because
you
stay
on
that
that
firm,
gra
or
that
interview
gas
rate.
So
that's
the
decision.
You
wanna
take
a
look
at
and
you
know
I
can
help
you
through
that
process,
but
we
can
make
a
decision
later
on
that
we
have
on
there.
I
I
Why
go
work
in
a
remodel
project
when
I
can
go
work
on
a
new
facility
somewhere
else,
so
jim
made
quite
a
few
phone
calls
and
got
some
other
interest
in
the
project
which
the
general
number
on
the
first
project
came
in
at
250
000,
which
was
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
higher
than
my
estimate.
The
next
project,
the
the
general
contractor,
got
competitive
bids
and
this
price
came
down
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
I
D
I
Advance
was
they
could
only
handle
one
project
and
they
told
us
that
so
they
do
have
the
first
project
right
now
we
have
two
other
bidders
going
on
this
thing.
We
are
making
phone
calls
out
there
to
get
other
electrical
contractors
involved
in
these
projects,
so
I
do
expect
to
gain
one
if
not
two
more
but
advance
will
no
longer
be
bidding
on
projects
again.
B
We
need
to
move
forward
with
accepting
these
goods
and
continue
to
keep
a
watchful
eye
on
upcoming
bids,
but
in
the
end
we
need
to
get
the
projects
done
effectively
as
close
to
budget
as
possible.
I've
also
realized
that
our
budget
estimates
were
simply
estimates
and
things
do
change.
So
I'm
in
favor
of
moving
forward.
A
B
B
Thank
you.
Okay
and
I
heard
a
beep
rick.
Did
you
come
back?
I
didn't
come
back,
yes.
Well,
then
you
can
speak
all
right.
Thank
you.
I'm
sorry,
I
just
dropped
off
at
the
wrong
time.
There
say
I'm
just
this
is
probably
just
a
reiteration
of
what's
already
been
said
on
a
couple
of
fronts,
but
I'll
make
it
really
short
that
way.
Paul
you
talked
about
you
know.
We've
made
a
commitment
and
chris
and
ron
our
commitment
to
number
one,
keep
our
schools
open.
Basically,
all
the
schools
we
have
and
we've
made
that
commitment.
B
Two
we've
made
the
commitment,
air
conditioning
them,
and
you
know
everyone
had
a
chance
to
vote
on
that.
We
thoroughly
vetted
the
process
and
all
the
reasons
why
again
explain
that
to
the
board
this
morning,
why
that
process
is
critical,
the
way
it's
being
set
up
and
I
support
that
process
still
and
then
the
the
last
piece
too.
I
don't
know
if
this
came
up
with
some
of
the
questions.
We're
funding.
Can
we
afford
it
and
what
we've
done
correctly?
If
I'm
wrong
here.
F
F
What
we've
ignored
in
that
discussion,
at
least
if
it
hasn't
come
up,
is
the
fact
that
we
still
have
six
million
dollars
in
the
building
fund
that
if
we
happen
to
go
over
budget
by
a
few
hundred
thousand,
we
have
a
little
bit
of
question
in
the
building
punctuation
of
about
six
million
and
if
that's
incorrect
brought,
you
know,
let
me
know,
but
that's
where
I'm
at,
and
so
I
think
this
whole
process
makes
sense
to
wait
and
wait.
Wait.
F
D
What
is
the
risk
of
waiting
until
we
see
lewis
and
clark's
number?
On
tuesday
I
mean
it's
two
or
three
days.
You
know
that
one
is
the
biggest
project
just
to
get
a
better
handle
on
where,
for
me,
it's
seeing
the
final
number
and
that's
the
budget
number
I'm
looking
at
and
just
wondering
what
the
risk
is
as
far
as
other
contractors
are
bidding-
and
I
guess
I'm
not
understanding
that.
G
Members
of
the
board
rusty
I'll,
speak
briefly
on
that
and
brent
who
has
talked
to
more
contractors,
could
probably
speak
more
directly,
but
I
think
the
biggest
thing
is
making
sure
contractors
know
based
on
their
capacity
what
they
can
and
can't
bid
on,
and
I
think
if
you
look
at
madison
it's
a
good
example.
So
you've
got
one
electrical
contractor
that
is
laying
in
weight
the
low
bidder
laying
in
weight
to
find
out
if
they
should
even
bid
anymore.
G
If
we
don't
award
madison,
might
that
bidder
be
the
lowest
bidder
on
tuesday
or
next
thursday,
but
they're
not
having
knowledge
of
whether
they're
in
or
not
in,
if,
if
we
don't
award
at
all
and
that
bidder,
for
example,
were
to
be
low
on
lewis
and
clark,
madison's
price
just
went
up
because
then
they
would
withdraw
their
bid.
I
assume
on
madison,
because
now
they
know
what
they
have,
they
can
do
one
school.
They
were
the
lowest
bidder,
so
I
think
that's.
G
The
biggest
risk
is
the
reason
we
put
it
in
this
set
it
up
and
staged
it
like
we
staged.
It
is
to
make
sure
that
contractors
gave
us
their
best
price
and
went
after
each
job
individually
with
knowledge
of
what
they
were
setting
themselves
up
for
each
time,
and
at
this
point
none
of
them
have
any
knowledge
of
what
they're
setting
themselves
up
for.
They
just
know
that
we're
not
comfortable
with
what
came
in
on
the
first
one.
So
that
would
be
my
response
to
that
and
brent.
B
A
H
Yesterday,
when
we
took
a
look
at
the
bids,
I
was
asking
questions
about
madison,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
didn't
realize
in
that
process
was
that
the
gymnasium
was
part
of
the
air
conditioning
process
for
for
madison,
and
we
have
not
been
air
conditioning
gymnasiums,
and
so
I
asked
them
to
take
a
look.
If
we
pulled
the
gymnasium
out
of
the
bid,
the
process
are
the
cost
process.
H
What
would
that
impact
be
ins
and
I'm
not
exactly
sure
what
numbers
they
came
up
with
by
the
end
of
the
day,
but
that
would
bring
down
that
bid.
I
believe
that
the
ancillary
carryover
of
air
conditioning
the
whole
building
typically
has
some
effect
on
that
gymnasium
and
all
the
other
schools.
We
will
not
be
air
conditioning
in
the
gymnasium,
so
I
asked
them
to
pull
that
out.
So
that's
that's
one
way
that
we're
looking
to
adjust
the
madison
project.
H
I
On
that
comment
there,
when
we
bid
mckinley,
we
pulled
out
as
a
as
an
alternate
the
cost
of
air
conditioning
the
the
gymnasium
itself.
That
number
came
in,
if
you
add
up
the
mechanical,
the
general
on
the
electrical
it
came
in
at
about
47
thousand
dollars.
I've
been
in
contact
with
the
low
bidder
on
madison
project
and
let
them
know
that
we
would
do
a
a
deduct
change
order.
I
Essentially
we
would
do
we
award
the
contract
under
base
bid
and
then
based
on
the
bids,
because
they
also
submitted
a
bid
on
on
madison
to
do
the
same
deduct
I
said:
would
you
hold
the
same
deduct
that
you
had
for
mckinley
for
madison,
because
they
are
identical
in
all
senses
and
they
said
yes,
we
would
hold
that
same
deduct
price
out
of
madison
that
we
did
for
mckinley.
So
we
can
pull
that
part
of
it
out.
I
There
was
on
the
first
bid,
a
mechanical
supplier
supplying
equipment.
They
a
an
incorrect
number
in
his
bid.
He
messed
up.
We
went
over
to
their
office
and
talked
to
him
they're,
going
to
hold
their
number
what
they
supplied.
It's,
not
the
contract
or
the
contractor's
equipment
supplier
mess
something
up
to
a
tune
of
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
on
a
deed
that
they
just
flat-out
missed.
A
A
D
Two
questions
in
the
original
pack
that
you
provided
us
there's
about
400
000
extra
in
fire
alarms
panels.
Things
like
that
is
any
of
that
included
in
the
base
bit
or
any
of
the
alternates.
Second
question:
what
kind
of
contingency
can
we
anticipate?
I
mean
going
to
buildings
doing
retrofits.
We
all
know
it's
a
lot
tougher,
the
new
construction.
I
So
under
the
base
bid
that
we
have
designed
right
now
we
have
brand
new
fire
alarm
systems
going
in
on
the
first
two
schools
moving
on
forward
and
from
a
contingency
standpoint,
the
the
standard
across
the
board
is
five
percent
when
you're
on
a
project
every
model,
that's
what
you
typically
see
on
on
chain
orders
on
the
project,
our
typical
change
of
prince
percentage
on
from
our
company
across
the
line
we
are
less
than
two
percent.
That's
why
we
tend
to
feel
we're
in
the
position
that
we
are.
I
I
applaud
helping
with
the
school
board
or
jim
free
and
his
staff.
We
went
through
each
one
of
these
schools
harder
than
I've
went
to
any
other
school.
I
I'm
sitting
here.
I
have
to
look
every
one
of
you
guys
in
the
face
and
we
put
blood,
sweat
and
tears,
one
above
every
ceiling.
So
I
think
we've
done
above
and
beyond
my
typical
call
of
duty
when
it
comes
to
checking
out
existing
conditions
and
and
concerns
that
may
come
up
on
this
thing
I
mean
I
was
glad
to
find
out.
I
We
found
a
structural
wall
that
we
had
to
put
a
a
lintel
beam
in
there
on
madison
that
I
would
have
hated
received
that
change
during
the
project.
So
I'm
comfortable
at
five
percent.
I'd
like
to
be
my
optimistic
size
and
say
you
know
two
to
three
percent:
that's
where
I
think
we're
going
to
come
in
at,
but
our
recommendation
is
to
hold
a
five
percent
contingency.
B
B
B
G
Members
of
the
board
chris,
there
is
not.
This
is
exactly
just
bringing
forward
what
we
discussed
on
tuesday
night
at
the
meeting.
If
there
are
to
be
changes
in
the
scope
of
this
project,
based
on
the
information
dr
schatz
and
brent
have
provided
us,
we
would
work
that
through.
If
your
intention
is
for
us
to
work
through
having
consistent
application
in
all
of
our
buildings
to
not
include
the
gym,
it
would
certainly
reduce
what
you
would
be
approving
here,
so
this
would
be
the
worst
case
scenario.
F
Follow
up
chris
and
then
brent,
my
question
actually
is
for
brent.
Can
you
tell
me
the
difference
in
the
sort
of
overflow
air
conditioning
that
would
reach
a
gym
in
a
newer
building
versus
these
older
ones?
Is
there
will
there
be
less
of
an
impact
in
terms
of
there
be
more
of
an
impact
not
having
ac
in
those
gyms
in
an
older
building
than
there
would
be
in
say,
kennedy
or
centennial.
I
To
answer
your
question:
no
there's
no
difference
associated
with
it.
It's
just
due
to
how
those
two
spaces
are
being
used
in
madison
mckinley
compared
to
their
other
four
schools.
Those
ones
is
used
for
the
lunch
area
over
there.
So
then
there's
some
auxiliary
time,
that's
being
used
for
more
community
type
processes
where
the
air
conditioning
may
make
sense
in
there.
I
I
can't
answer
that,
but
from
an
overflow
air
conditioning
getting
air
into
these,
these
two
schools,
the
location
of
the
gym,
is
actually
essentially
located
and
not
a
little
out
shoot
like
it
is
maybe
on
the
other
one.
So
getting
the
cool
air
flow
into.
That
is
probably
thinking
it
through
probably
a
better
opportunity
with
madison
and
mckinley
to
get
that
that
air
moving
into
the
the
gym
on
there.
I
I
B
I
John,
I
hear
exactly
what
you're
saying
and
under
some
instances
I
would
neces.
I
would
agree
with
you
coming
in
after
the
fact
and
trying
to
do
a
change
order
to
a
contract
and
trying
to
say.
Can
you
tell
me
how
much
this
is
worth
after
the
fact
we
always
say
on
change
orders
you
never
get
the
full
dollar
amount
after
the
fact,
because
they're
in
the
driver's
seat
on
this
particular
on
this.
I
In
those
instances,
however,
with
the
way
that
we
went
through
mckinley
mckinley
got
us
into
the
what
we
pulled
out
of
mckinley,
the
pump
the
redundant
pump
and
the
air
conditioning
of
the
gym.
Madison
mckinley
are
identical,
so
I
asked
the
contractor.
You
told
me
what
your
deduct
price
would
be
on
mckinley.
I
Would
you
hold
that
same
price
to
pull
it
out
of
madison
and
they
wholeheartedly
said?
Yes,
we
will
definitely
hold
that
price.
So,
if
I
would
have
put
in
the
first
project,
we
bid
madison
the
same
deduct,
change
orders
or
deduct
alternates
on
there.
We
would
be
getting
the
same
price
that
we
just
received
yesterday.
So
that's
why
I
feel
very
comfortable
going
after
the
fact,
and
it
happens
all
the
time
we
do
deduct
change
orders
and
we
fight
and
negotiate
with
the
contractor
and
go
back
and
forth
back
and
forth.
I
Back
and
forth
this
happens.
I
would
say,
on
a
majority
of
projects
that
come
over
budget
we
were
trying
to
in
this
thing,
be
proactive
with
alternates.
We
didn't
get
it
right
away
in
the
madison
project
after
the
bids
came
made
and
made
a
recommendation
that
let's
pull
some
of
these
ancillary
things
that
may
not
necessarily
be
attributed
to
the
hvac
project,
air
conditioning
the
classrooms
and
such
like
this.
Let's
pull
this
thing
out
and
get
this
project
on
budget.
Then
we
can
make
decisions
to
add
these
things
back
into
it.
G
Members
of
the
board
chris,
knowing
what
I
know
now,
both
about
lewis
and
clark
and
about
potentials
on
other
upcoming
bids,
I'm
certainly
more
comfortable
today,
knowing
that
we
could
do
the
deduct
change
order.
Take
a
210,
000,
overage,
probably
more
in
the
range
of
a
130
to
140
000
overage.
We've
made
up
95
000
of
that
in
the
last
bid.