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From YouTube: Filecoin Green Virtual Meetup-October2022
Description
Come plug in to the latest developments in making Filecoin greener and using Filecoin to drive sustainability in the legacy economy! This month's speakers are Nirvaan Ranganathan from Climate Collective and Luke Schubert from Open Forest Protocol! Bring your questions for Q&A!
A
A
All
right,
hey
folks,
welcome
to
the
October
Falcon
green
Meetup
I
think
we're
gonna
start
in
a
couple
minutes
happy
to
have
people
on
on
zoom
and-
and
you
know
watching
through
YouTube.
If
you
want
to
check
in
in
the
chat
and
just
let
us
know
where
you're
watching
from
go
for
it.
I'm
in
I
am
just
outside
of
Seattle.
A
C
A
A
Medellin
yeah
awesome,
yeah,
we're
all
gonna
be
a
bunch
of
us
are
going
to
be
in
Columbia,
are
already
there
or
are
going
to
be
there
next
week,
which
I
will
get
around
to
anyways.
Thank
you,
everyone
who
is
watching
on
YouTube
and
is
here
in
Zoom
for
joining
us
for
the
October
rendition
of
the
falcoin
green
Meetup.
A
The
way
this
is
gonna
work
is
I'm.
Gonna,
give
a
introduction
and
talk
a
little
bit
about
something.
That's
on
my
mind,
which
is
the
structure
of
Falcon
green.
We
are
thinking
a
lot
about
the
structure
of
our
project
and
how
to
communicate
that
structure
in
order
to
decentralize
the
project
and
allow
more
people
to
plug
in
so
I'm
gonna
I'm
gonna
go
over
some
of
our
current
thinking.
On
that
first
then,
we're
gonna
hear
from
Luke
Schubert
who's
here
representing
open
Forest
protocol.
A
They
are
doing
some
of
the
most
interesting
work
in
the
dmrv
space
I'm,
allowing
people
to
monitor
forests
and
prove
forested
areas
and-
and-
and
you
know,
and
take
that
and
use
that
as
an
input
to
carbon
offsets.
So
we'll
hear
about
that
and
then
we're
gonna
hear
from
nirvan
who's
part
of
cello
climate
Collective.
A
A
We're
going
to
have
a
bunch
of
folks
there
from
many
different
projects
that
are
involved
in
in
tokenized
carbon
and
in
sustainability,
with
a
huge
focus
on
projects
that
are
happening
in
Latin
America
a
keynote
speaker,
there
is
going
to
be
Delton
Chen.
He
started
a
project
called
the
global
carbon
reward,
the
that
is,
if
you've
read
the
ministry
for
the
future
book.
A
The
ministry
for
the
future
is
the
fictionalized
account
of
this
project,
the
global
carbon
reward,
and
actually,
if
you
do
a
very
close
reading
of
that
book,
the
ministry
for
the
future.
It's
based
on
something
called
the
Chen
paper,
which
is
explicitly
dealt
in
Chen.
So
we're
going
to
hear
about
his
plan
to
use
to
decarbonize
decarbon
as
the
global
economy,
with
a
project
that
actually
sort
of
operates
on
the
scale
of
of
climate
change
right,
so
global
global
Global
problems
and
Global
Solutions
happening
there.
A
So
you
know
please,
if
you
are
interested
in
coming
to
SBS,
please
go
to
sbs.tech
and
you
can
get
more
information
about
the
speaker.
Lineup
there
and
register
tickets
are
are
just
a
donation
that
you
can
set.
The
donation
amount
to
whatever
you
want,
and
all
of
that
money
is
going
to
be
going
to
the
kayapo
project,
which
is
a
indigenous-led
project,
protecting
a
huge
amount
of
forest
in
the
Brazilian
Amazon.
So
so
a
lot
of
good
stuff
going
on
there.
A
So,
like
I
said,
I
wanted
to
talk
about
a
little
bit
about
what
exactly
falcoin
green
is
I've
I've
used
this
diagram
to
explain
it
before
and
talked
about
how
there
are
two
goals
of
Falcon
green
one
is
to
make
filecoin
itself
verifiably
sustainable,
and
the
second
is
to
use
filecoin
and
web3
to
build
the
world's
best
tools
to
measure
and
reduce
environmental
impacts
right.
We
really
think
that
storing
the
data
associated
with
environmental
impacts
on
web3
based
platforms
makes
a
lot
of
sense
because
of
how
we
work
with
data
in
web3.
A
We've
talked
about
this
a
lot
we've
written
about
this
a
lot,
but
I
wanted
to
talk
about
specifically
how
does
follicle
and
green
work?
What
are
all
the
moving
pieces
to
it?
So
I'm,
gonna,
I'm
gonna,
just
screen
share
this
over
here.
This
is
a
this
is
a
figma
diagram
of
of
the
structure
of
Falcon
green.
A
So
the
purpose
of
this
is
really
if
you
are
interested
in
joining
us,
if
you're
interested
in
doing
something
that
that
that
you
know
interfaces
with
Falcon
green
right
say
you
want
to
apply
for
a
grant.
So
you
want
to
do
something,
so
you
want
to.
You
know,
help
us
out
or
or
do
some
project
that
that
stores
on
filecoin
and
you
know,
helps
verifiably
decarbonize
the
network
or
you
want
to
verifiably
decarbonize
some
other
system
and
do
this
in
a
way
that
uses
Falcon
green
resources.
A
This
is
sort
of
a
diagram
as
to
how
to
plug
into
this
right.
So
this
the
Falcon
network,
is
up
here.
The
way
to
read
this
is
that
you
know,
storage
providers
contribute
to
the
filecoin
network.
They
are
the
the
backbone
of
falcoin
network,
they
run
nodes
on
the
network,
they
store
files
and
they
prove
that
that
data
is
is
being
stored
over
time.
So
the
storage
Fighters
really
create
the
file
quote.
A
Network
right
and
one
of
the
outputs
from
the
falcoin
network
is
data
on
how
much
data
is
being
onboarded
onto
the
network
and
how
much
data
is
being
stored
over
time
in
that
Network.
So
the
Falcon
Network
itself
outputs
data-
that's
used
as
in
this,
this
dashboard
right.
So
if
you've
gone
to
the
filecoin
dot
energy
dashboard,
which
is
filecoin.energy
in
any
browser,
you
can,
you
know
you
can
look
up
node
by
node
storage,
finder
by
storage
fighter.
A
What
the
estimated
energy
use
is
of
these
these
individual
nodes
right
and
we're
adding
emissions
functionality
to
that.
We
we
aimed
at
E-Waste
to
this.
This
is
sort
of
the
the
structure
that
we're
we're
aiming
for
of
Falco
and
green
right.
Not
all
these
pieces
are
fully
filled
in
yet
so
also
something
that
story
providers
can
provide
is
documentation
of
their
sustainability
practices
so
and
also
things
like
their
location.
Things
like
if
they're
buying
renewable
energy
you
can
they
can.
A
A
The
goal
is
for
all
of
this
to
be
web
3
native
right,
so
the
Auditors
are
going
to
be
signing
these
records.
Those
those
records
are
going
to
exist.
So
you
can.
You
can
look
up
for
a
given
storage
provider.
You
can
compare
the
the
dashboard
estimates
that
are
totally
web
created
just
based
on
activity
on
the
Falcon
blockchain.
You
can
compare
that
to
actual
audited
records
of
things
like
energy
use
from
Individual
storage
Fighters
right.
So
this
is
a
way
that
we
can.
A
We
can
have
these
sort
of
parallel
tracks
right,
where
we
can
use
estimates
and
Factor
those
into
some
sort
of
a
green
score.
If
we're
trying
to
determine
how
how
sustainable
a
given
storage
writer
is,
we
can
also
take
things
like
things
like
energy
use.
You
know.
That's
that's!
That
goes
from
a
storage
provider
through
things
like
power
bills
that
they
submit
to
some
auditor.
Get
the
identity
of
that
auditor.
Have
them
sign
a
record
and
use
that
in
a
green
support
too
right?
A
So
this
is
this
is
something
that
is
really
cutting
edge
for
how
we
think,
as
a
as
a
broad
Community
interested
in
ESG
and
interested
in
sustainability
about
going
from
sustainability
claims
at
the
level
of
an
individual
entity
right.
So,
if
you
read
say
the
greenhouse
gas
protocol
or
science-based
Targets.
This
is
all
based
on
the
assumption
that
you
are
measuring
something
that
you
have
some
amount
of
control
over
right.
A
So
you
can
Define
your
operational
and
organizational
boundaries
of
your
organization
and
the
entire
premise
of
the
way
that
we
do
sustainability
reporting
is
that
we
are
able
to
draw
those
operational
and
organizational
boundaries
with
with
organizations
that
we
have
a
lot
of
visibility
into
who
controls
them
right.
So
the
a
big
Frontier
in
sustainable
ability,
reporting
for
blockchains,
is
how
we
go
from
these
individual
nodes
which
have
well-defined
organizational
and
operational
boundaries,
but
they're
pseudonymous.
We
don't
know
who
controls
them
up
to.
A
How
do
we
ladder
that
up
all
of
these
shards
of
information
that
we
have
from
different
sources
right,
because
not
all
storage
providers
are
going
to
be
audited?
Not
all
nodes
are
going
to
want
to
let
people
know
where
their
location
is
not
all
nodes
are
going
to
want
to
submit
their
power
bills
for,
for
you
know
any
sort
of
public
consumption
or
auditing.
How
do
we
go
from
all
of
those
fragments
of
information
that
we
have
to
put
bounds
on
what
we
believe
about
the
the
network-wide
sustainability
right?
A
So
that's.
That's
a
super
interesting
set
of
problems
right
to
be
working
on.
How
do
we,
how
do
how
does
the
greenhouse
gas
protocol
sort
of
collide
with
or
merge
with,
and
how
do
typical
sustainability
reporting
guidelines
interact
with
the
actual
behavior
of
the
network
right?
So
that's
something
we're
hugely
interested
in
and
then
on
the
bottom
you
can
see
here.
So
there
are
renewable
energy
producers
and
Brokers
there
are
offset
producers
and
Brokers.
A
There
are
people
who
are
producing
other
types
of
environmental
products
right,
and
so
those
products
can
both
be
consumed
by
the
sustainability
reporting.
Right
so
say,
a
storage
provider
buys
renewable
energy
from
some
some
web
free
native
project
that
is
tokenizing
renewable
energy
certificates
say
they
buy
offsets,
say
they
buy
things
like
recycling
credits.
A
A
We
believe
that
the
best
way
to
take
all
of
the
sustainability
related
information
and
store
it
so
that
we
can
actually
ladder
it
up
to
really
sort
of
bulletproof
sustainability
reports
is
to
start
in
a
web
created
way
right.
So
so
that's
sort
of
the
structure
of
Falcon
green
right.
So
the
goal
of
this,
like
I
said,
is
to
enable
you,
if
you
have
a
project
that
you
think
you
can
work
with
us,
is
to
enable
you
to
kind
of
see.
A
Where
are
the
different
places
that
you
might
be
able
to
plug
in
right,
and
we
are
continuing
to
think
about
the
structure.
We're
continuing
to
update
this
structure.
If
you
have
thoughts
or
feedback,
we
would
love
to
hear
from
you
about
this
structure,
we're
going
to
be
writing
more
about
it
and
producing
more
media
about
it
soon.
A
So,
if
anyone
has
questions
about
that
feel
free
to
drop
them
in
the
chat
or
raise
your
hand
and
I
can
I
can
answer
questions
about
that
specifically,
if
no
one
has
questions
about
about
the
structure
of
Falco
and
green
specifically
or
anything
else,
I
talked
about
like
the
standard,
blockchain
Summit,
we'll
go
on
to
to
Luke
and
then
nirvan
after
any
of
these
individual
presentations.
If
people
have
questions
about
that
presentation,
we
can
answer
them.
A
Then
we're
also
going
to
stay
in
the
zoom
room
for
a
while
we'll
turn
off
the
the
YouTube
broadcast
or
the
the
live
stream
and
we'll
stay,
and
just
hang
out
in
the
zoom
room
for
a
bit
after
that.
If
anyone
has
any
questions
or
or
thoughts
or
comments
or
concerns
or
wants
to
want
to
just
chat
about
sustainability,.
A
B
Thanks
Alan
anytime,
anybody
asks
me
kind
of
like
hey
Luke.
What's
some
cool
stuff
going
on
in
the
crypto
space
right
now,
I
almost
always
mentioned.
Filecoin
green
is
a
great
example
of
that,
because
it's
such
a
cool
infrastructure
play
that
is
completely
aligned
with
with
everything
that
that
ipfs
and
protocol
Labs
is
trying
to
do.
B
Are
we
able
to
see
this
right
now?
A
lot
of
vocal
confirmation,
if
possible,
yeah
all
good?
Yes,
we
can
see
it
awesome.
Thank
you.
So
much
so
yeah
I'll
go
ahead
and
jump
right
into
it.
My
name
is
Luke
Schubert
I'm,
the
product
development
lead
for
Open
Force
protocol.
So
we
essentially
started
if
you
looked
at.
B
If
you
saw
that
diagram,
that
Adam
was
just
presenting
we're
very
much
sort
of
towards
the
bottom
in
terms
of
the
the
more
infrastructural
supply
side,
production
of
on-chain
origination
of
carbon
credits,
we're
sort
of
augmenting
that
sort
of
side
of
things
with
our
dmrv
system
that
we've
we've
established
here.
So
we
just
launched
in
July
after
about
a
year
and
a
half
two
years
of
active
development
and
yeah,
we'll
jump
right
into
it.
So
I
I
started
this.
B
This
is
kind
of
a
general
take
to
look
at
the
macro
scheme
to
provide
some
context
as
to
where
we
are
operating
in,
but
I
I
hope
that
this
is
at
least
a
little
bit,
not
new.
But
if
it's
new
then
awesome,
so
these
are
just
some
basic
statistics
that
highlights
the
importance
of
forest
restoration,
specifically
because
there's
a
lot
of
mechanisms
in
the
world
right
now
that
enable
the
the
drawdown
of
carbon
and
other
greenhouse
gases
from
the
atmosphere.
B
But
we
are,
at
this
point
focused
on
forests
for
a
lot
of
reasons.
One
of
the
biggest
ones
is
the
potential
that
forests
have
there's
millions
of
square
kilometers,
and
you
know
tens
of
millions
of
hectares
of
land
out
there
that
is
capable
of
restoration
and
that's
been
degraded.
We
have
massive
deforestation
rates
all
around
the
world
that
are
continuing
and
based
on
primarily
financial
reasons,
such
as
the
Agricultural
and
and
Mining,
and
cattle
raising,
and
things
like
that.
B
There
is
also
when
we
talk
about
opportunity,
the
ability
to
turn
some
of
these
very
bad
things
into
potentially
very
good
things.
The
main
reason
for
deforestation
rates
are
due
to
economic
means.
If
we
could
find
a
way
to
create
an
alternative,
Financial
incentive
to
protect
forests,
then
that's
something
that
we
can
do
to
help
generate
income
for
local
communities
all
around
the
world,
particularly
in
developed
equatorial
based
Nations,
but
we
can
also
create
a
new
system
of
value
that
values
nature
in
a
way
that
we're
not
currently
doing.
B
At
this
point
in
time,
carbon
credits
is
an
example
of
one
of
those
value
schemes
that
we're
seeing
here
and
within
the
voluntary
carbon
Market
alone.
There's
expected
to
be
massive
growth
in
the
demand
and
those
pricing
of
carbon
credits
that
are
being
created
and
being
transactive,
and
these
are.
These
are
essentially
Commodities
that
represent
one
ton
of
of
carbon
dioxide.
B
That's
been
pulled
out
of
the
atmosphere
and
stored
in
a
durable
and
permanent
manner,
whether
that's
in
the
tree,
bark
or
whether
that's
in
certain
mineralizations
practices
or
biochar,
lots
of
really
really
cool
things
that
you
can
do
to
store
carbon,
take
it
out
of
the
atmosphere
and
store
it
into
a
more
permanent
and
durable
medium.
So
carbon
credits
is
essentially
a
way
of
quantifying
that
carbon
that's
been
pulled
out
of
the
atmosphere
and
stored,
and
then
you
can
sell
that
to
corporations
and
individuals
that
need
to
offset
their
carbon
emissions.
B
You
can
reduce
your
emissions
to
a
certain
extent
and
and
then
offset
the
remaining
bit.
At
least
that's
that's
the
idea,
so
you
know
we're
looking
at
opportunities
and
we're
seeing
that
there's
still
Mass
deforestation
rates,
so
so
what's
kind
of
going
on
here.
Our
main
thesis
at
ofp
is
that
it's
due
to
the
lack
of
mrv
measurement,
reporting
and
verification
tools.
So
this
leads
to
a
lot
of
problems
with
Forest
projects.
If
you
have
a
thousand
hectare
Forest
project,
that's
a
pretty
sizable
piece
of
land.
B
B
The
people
doing
work
in
these
traditional
accreditation
bodies
such
as
Varian
gold
standard
or
you
know
they
they've
been
in
it
since
the
beginning.
They
essentially
established
the
voluntary
carbon
Market,
but
at
what
we're
seeing
right
now,
our
thesis
is
that
that's
not
doing
enough
to
address
the
existing
problems
with
deforestation.
So
our
our
solution
is
an
open
source
platform
that
enables
the
communal
verification
and
reporting
of
forest
data
at
scale.
We're
able
to
do
that
through
blockchain
technology,
so
yeah
we'll
just
go
ahead
and
move
on
to
how
ofp
Works.
D
B
By
creating
those
financial
incentives
to
reverse
deforestation
rates,
you
have
to
have
good
Integrity
of
data
on
the
ground,
and
so
that's
what
we're
focused
on
first
and
foremost,
is
having
good
mrv
data,
that's
accessible
and
streamlined
and
radically
transparent,
using
blockchain.
So
the
very
first
step
in
ofp
is
registrative
force
project
as
an
nft.
B
Basically,
this
is
just
a
blockchain
interoperable
asset
that
contains
data.
We
don't
trade,
the
nfts,
you
know
auction
them
off.
You
don't
sell
them.
It's
basically
just
an
asset
that
an
individual
blockchain
person
who
owns
a
wallet
owns
and
then
uses
over
the
course
of
their
Project's
Lifetime,
and
it's
through
that
wallet
that
they've
been
able
to
receive
any
Financial
incentives
or
or
rewards
from
that
project.
B
What
they
do
in
the
meantime
is
they
collect
data
on
the
ground.
This
data
is
field
data,
so
there's
pictures
of
trees,
measurements
of
height,
circumference
or
diameter
of
trees
and
and
yeah.
Essentially,
we
have
a
software
system
that
I'll
get
into
that.
That
creates
randomized
sampling
plots
around
a
forested
area,
and
then
it's
at
those
sampling
plots
that
individuals
then
go
and
physically
monitor
that
land.
So
if
you
own
this
Forest
project,
if
you're
operating
it,
you
can
do
that
yourself
or
you
can
hire
people
to
do
that.
B
We
have
a
pretty
easy
system
in
place
to
to
facilitate
the
kind
of
Delegation
of
that
responsibility,
but
once
you
collect
that
data,
you
submit
it
to
the
openforce
protocol
dashboard
and
that
dashboard
is
linked
through
ipfs.
We
create
cids
of
the
data,
that's
being
uploaded
for
each
stage
of
the
Project
Life
Science.
Basically,
every
year,
you're
uploading
data
from
the
field
and
then
uploading
it
to
ipfs
and
it's
stored
permanently
in
the
nft's
metadata
and
then
updated
over
time.
B
So
we
just
have
the
Cid
in
the
nft's
metadata
and
then
the
previous
CID
there
as
well.
So
we
can
have
that
kind
of
history
of
all
of
the
data.
That's
uploaded
the
next
step
in
this
process
is
we
have
a
group
of
decentralized
validation,
verification
bodies.
These
are
organizations
that
check
the
veracity
of
of
bought,
a
train
claims
and
data.
B
You
know
the
most
recent
satellite
imagery
of
the
project
location
to
see
what's
going
on
there,
so
we're
bringing
together
this
diverse
Collective
of
organizations
to
evaluate
this
data
and
to
make
a
judgment
on
it,
so
we
can
get
into
that
a
little
bit,
but
essentially,
once
that
judgment.
If
that
judgment
is
positive,
then
that
data
upload
is
affirmed,
then
it
opens
the
way
for
really
cool.
Smart
contract
executed
results-based
financing.
So
if
data
is
good,
then
you
get
money
as
simple
as
that.
B
So
this
is
an
example
of
this
is
one
of
the
projects
that
were
products
that
we're
making.
So
this
is
a
like
the
the
dashboard.
Basically,
this
is
during
the
project
setup
process.
So
a
project
would
input
various
information
bits
about
their
project.
Saying:
hey:
here's!
Where
it's
located,
they
literally
upload
a
KML
file
or
they
can
draw
on
a
map.
The
physical
boundaries
of
their
project,
provide
information
about
it
and
essentially
lets
them
manage
a
variety
of
forest
projects.
So
you
access
this
dashboard
by
creating
a
near
account.
B
If
you're
not
familiar
with
near
it's
a
great
L
to
L1
sharded
proof
of
stake,
blockchain,
they
are
pretty.
They
have
a
very
interesting
account
based
model,
so
essentially
every
near
wallet
they
refer
to
as
really
a
near
account.
It's
essentially
a
smart
contract.
That's
deployed
with
a
human
readable,
address
kind
of
like
the
ens
service,
but
before
that
it
came
out
before
that
and
so
like.
B
If
I
had
a
loop.near
account,
it
would
essentially
be
my
wallet,
but
it
would
also
be
a
smart
contract
that
I
can
give
permission
access
to
do
things
with
so,
in
this
case,
I'm
giving
permissioned
access
to
interact
with
my
near
account
with
the
openforce
protocol
dashboard,
and
it's
through
that
system.
That
projects
are,
we
call
them
project
operators
or
project
developers.
Basically,
anybody
that
owns
a
forest
project
are
able
to
interact
through
this
blockchain,
basically
with
the
blockchain
you're
able
to
interact
directly
with
it
through
our
front-end
interfaces.
B
B
App
do
and
it's
like
well,
the
app's,
like
you
know,
just
a
teeny
tiny
little.
It's
basically
a
one
directional
information
tube.
It
works
offline.
You
just
upload
data.
Whenever
you
connect
to
internet,
you
can
take
photos
and
measurements
of
the
trees
here,
as
you
can
exam,
as
you
see.
So
all
these
different
Forest
projects,
sampling,
plots
right
here
and
then
and
then
the
map
of
the
whole
project
area.
We
also
have
a
dashboard
for
validators
to
evaluate
the
data.
B
We
model
it
off
of
a
prediction
off
of
prediction:
markets
like
auger
or
flux
protocol,
if
you're
familiar
with
those,
so
validators
have
to
get
like
a
game
theory
mechanism
in
place
to
incentivize
voting
for
The
the
right
options,
so
incentives
are
dealt
out
to
those
who
vote
correctly.
Disincentives
are
are
dealt
out
to
those
who
kind
of
are
trying
to
cheat
the
system
or
do
things
that
we
do
not
want
yeah.
We
can
go
through
this,
but
I
see.
B
We've
got
about
five
more
minutes,
so
I'll
just
kind
of
rush
through
a
little
bit
of
some
of
what
we're
doing
right
now.
Some
of
our
new
products
coming
out
is
it
Explorer.
This
is
just
some
early
mock-ups
of
kind
of
what
we're
building
right
there.
These
are
basically
a
way
of
taking
all
of
that
great
ipfs
data.
We
feed
it
through
our
indexer
and
then
we
display
it
onto
this
great,
publicly
accessible
map
of
the
whole
world,
where
you
can
see
all
of
this
great
project
information
all
around
the
world.
B
So
all
of
the
project,
data
that's
being
uploaded
and
stored
through
ipfs-
is
then
kind
of
displayed
here.
We're
also
working
on
a
wallet
native
wallet
to
be
able
to
balance
and
and
perform
cool
features
like
offsetting
and
and
yeah.
Just
collecting
all
of
the
great
near
based
cryptocurrency
assets.
B
Collateral
area
is
a
cool
little
D5
product
that
we're
building
right.
Now,
that
is
helping
to
balance
any
carbon
claims
that
might
come
onto
the
protocol
and
whatnot.
So
so
yeah,
that's
just
a
few
of
the
examples
that
we've
launched,
but
yeah
we've
been.
We
have
some
statistics
from
not
up
to
date,
but
we
we
launched
in
July
as
I
mentioned,
and
we
already
have
over
40
Forest
projects
from
all
around
the
world
Reg
registered
on
ofp
and
uploading
data.
B
So
it's
been
a
pretty
exciting
process
to
have
this
thesis
about
mrb
and-
and
this
thesis
about
you
know
really
trying
to
get
the
truth
of
what's
going
on
in
the
ground
and
that
you
know
understand.
What's
the
the
the
ground
truth
element
there,
and
so
we've
been
very
pleased
to
see
it
moving,
and
we
have
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
development
ahead
of
time
ahead
of
us.
So
yeah
thanks
for
being
here
and
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
A
Awesome
yeah,
thank
you
so
much
Luke
that
was
that
was
really
really
cool
to
kind
of
get
an
overview
of
and
to
go
through.
If
anyone
has
questions
feel
free
to
raise
your
hand
or
you
know,
drop
something
in
the
chat,
let
us
know
you
you,
you
want
to
ask
something.
I
think,
like
you
know,
part
of
part
of
part
of
the
the
an
element
of
sort
of
the
the
dmov
process
that
you
laid
out
right.
That's
that's
I.
A
You
need
to
take
data
from
all
of
these
different
sources
right
and
you
combine
that
with
the
fact
that
if
you
have
people
on
the
ground
actually
measuring
trees
like
literally
measuring
trees
and
like
doing
that,
work
to
to
monitor
what's
happening
in
the
forest,
like
that's
a
that's
a
job
that
you
can
pay
people
for,
and
so
there's
this
sort
of
natural
fit
right
where
you
can
like
enlist
people
who
are
actually
in
these
communities
to
interact
with
their
forests
and
like
benefit
from
that
I.
Don't
know
if
you
have.
A
You
have
thoughts
on
like
comparing
comparing
that
model
to
to
like
a
more
sort
of
traditional
model
and
like
like
both
in
terms
of
like
those
data
streams
and
also
how
you're
able
to
like
access
local
communities
like
more
directly
about
you
know
just
about
how
dmrv
is
sort
of
the
way
forward.
There
totally.
B
Yeah
well
I
mean
to
my
to
my
understanding
my
best
knowledge,
the
existing
the
way
that
so,
let's
say
that
you're
registered
on
Vera,
which
is
a
major
carbon
accreditation
body
they're.
You
know
the
ogs
of
the
voluntary
carbon
Market,
and
so,
if
you
have
a
forest
project
there,
typically,
the
the
expectation
is
that
you
would
have
third
party
verification
of
that
data
once
per
every
five
years.
The
reason
for
that
is,
it
costs
tens
of
thousands
of
dollars.
B
You
fly
out
an
independent
consultancy
team
to
go
and
conduct
the
field,
monitoring,
evaluate
all
the
documentation
of
the
reports
that
you've
made
in
the
previous
five
years,
you're
doing
self-reporting,
but
it's
not
really
actually
evaluated
by
that
third
party
and-
and
you
know,
as
we
move
forward
with
mass
deforestation
rates.
You
know.
We
really
believe
that
five
years
is
not
a
an
acceptable
enough
time
period
to
be
reporting
and
monitoring.
B
All
this,
especially
when
you
can
have
more
frequent
monetization
of
this
project
and
have
more
frequent
engagement
with
that
project,
because
you
know
a
significant
percentage
of
the
global
forests
are
actively
owned
by
indigenous
communities
around
the
world
and
and
so
whenever
we
can
try
to
bring
participation
and
and
bring
a
monetary
incentive
towards
that.
That's
a
really
huge
huge
benefit.
B
So
so
long
as
someone
is
capable
of
and
we're
also
Building
pre-funding
and
find
you
know,
Forest
financing
products
that
are
in
the
pipeline
now
to
help
provide
that
upstart
funding
for
them,
the
the
the
the
the
operational
costs,
but
so
long
as
you're
able
to
do
that.
You
are
able
to
access
the
global
pool
of
capital
that
wants
to
invest
in
nature-based
Solutions,
particularly
reforestation
projects,
which
is
what
we're
focusing
on
right
now.
B
But
if
you
own
a
forest
project,
you're
able
to
report
on
that,
transparently
and
and
with
extreme
Fidelity
of
data,
because
it's
coming
from
the
source
and
it's
very
difficult
to
cheat
with
the
the
system
that
we
built,
our
all
of
our
photos
are
geofence.
So
you
can't
take
photos
in
the
app
outside
of
the
project
area
really
outside
of
the
sample
plot.
So
you
have
to
be
in
the
sample
plotter
within
a
certain.
A
That's
awesome,
I
think
that
totally
makes
sense
right,
I
think
you
know,
especially
five
years
is
way
too
long
right.
It's
like
we
need
Super
granular
data
about
these
projects,
especially
considering
that
we
need
to,
according
to
the
ipcc,
decarbonize
the
entire
global
economy
by
50
or
so
in
something
like
eight
years
by
2030
right.
B
And-
and
you
know
essentially
like
it's-
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense
too,
because
you
know
we're
we're
in
the
crypto
space
right,
we're
in
the
blockchain
space
and
and
a
lot
of
we
get
asked
the
question
a
lot
of
like.
Why
do
you
need
blockchain
technology
to
do
this?
But
whenever
you
have
a
commodity
or
a
you
know,
source
of
value,
that's
Based!
On
data
and
transparency
of
that
data.
B
B
A
C
E
C
Co2
storage
is
basically
to
to
accept
different
kind
of
schemas.
Basically,
that
you
know
I
mean
each
project
can
Define
the
data
schema
they
will
be
using.
So
you
should
like
on
your
screen,
like
the
form
that
you
are
using
to
upload
the
data.
So
that's,
basically
the
data
schema.
It
was
just
too
fast
for
me
to
realize
exactly
what's
in
the
form,
so
yeah
you
can
share
this
with
us.
That
would
be
great
yeah.
B
Thanks
for
sharing
that,
and
thanks
for
that
clarification,
you
also
do
not
need
to
sell
me
on
co2.
storage.
Mark
Johnson
has
already
already
beat
you
to
that
one,
but
but
yeah
I.
It
would
probably
take
too
long
to
do
that
right
now,
but
if
you'd
like
to
follow
up
I'd,
be
happy
to
happy
to
talk
with
you
about
that
basically
and
I
see
another
another
question
was:
are
you
engaged
in
the
mrv
process
itself
or
and
then
creating
those
or
working
with
best
practice
standards?
B
So
essentially,
what
we've
done
at
this
point,
and-
and
you
know
this
is
the
first
iteration
of
ofp-
it's
going
to
evolve
over
time
and
Our
intention
is
not
just
to
limit
this
to
forests
right.
This
is
a
data
Oracle
that
can
be
applied
to
many
different
types
of
environmental
data
reporting
ski
bus,
but
our
goal
is
to
iterate
over
time
and
improve
so
right
now.
B
We're
taking
we've
essentially
adopted
most
of
the
methodologies
from
like
the
clean
development
mechanism
to
monitor
forests
and
in
a
way
to
assess,
basically
just
just
what's
going
on
like
field
surveys,
so
the
the
algorithm
that's
used
to
detect
and
calculate
the
number
of
sample
plots
over
a
specific
area.
That's
incorporated
into
this.
We
also
incorporate
height
and
diameter.
We
ask
for
circumference
measurements
on
the
ground
photos
of
the
trees,
just
for
you
know
to
assess
whether
or
not
they're
living
and
what
the
status
of
that
is.
B
You
know
what
is
valuable
to
them
and
what
are
important
pieces
of
information
that
that
they
want
to
have
representing
the
organization
and
the
work
that
they're
doing
on
the
ground
so
I
see.
Also
James
asking.
Does
the
cost
of
human
compare
with
near
orbit
satellite
monitoring
yeah?
It's
a
really
great
point,
the
one
of
the
reasons
why
we're
also
kind
of
focused
on
on
field
data?
B
There's
a
you
know
a
lot
of
remote
sensing
organizations
out
there
and
they
they
do
a
lot
of
great
work.
But
for
the
most
part,
if
you
are
a
small
200
hectare,
reforestation
project
in
Kenya,
which
we
have
several
of
those
on
board
right
now,
I
can
tell
you
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
afford
the
services
of
almost
every
single
remote
sensing
organization
unless
it's
free.
B
So
you
know
there
are
a
vast
majority
of
forest
projects
out
there
that
just
are
priced
out
of
these
kinds
of
systems
and
we're
trying
to
create
Partnerships
to
provide
those
services
for
free,
but
but
yeah.
That's
that's
kind
of
the
reason
for
the
emphasis
on
the
ground
because
so
long
as
you
can
cover
the
operational
costs
which,
if
you
can
see
some
Revenue
as
a
result
of
that,
then
it's
usually
pretty
worthwhile
but
yeah.
So
long
as
you
can
cover
the
operational
costs.
B
A
Awesome,
thank
you
Luke.
That
was
that
was
great.
You
know,
like
I,
said,
in
chat
of
all
the
work
you're
doing
at
at
ofp
and
I.
Think,
like
you
know,
a
lot
of
eyes
should
be
on
the
space
right,
just
because
I
think
what
what
we're
bringing
to
I
think
what
what
the
refi
Community
right
is
bringing
to
mrv
and
ndmrv
and
really
taking
some
of
these
solutions
that
are
already
there
underlying
nature-based
carbon
offsets
right
which
were
sort
of
the
best
we
could
do.
A
B
A
All
right
next
up,
we
have
nirvan
from
from
Cello
climate
Collective
I
want
to
I,
want
to
point
out.
I
I
wore
my
my
refi
summer
solo
shirt
today,
because
the
the
work
that
you're
doing
at
solo
and
then
the
the
climate
Collective
you
know,
building
on
on
what
we're
just
talking
about
right,
like
using
web3
to
go
and
really
enable
people
on
the
ground
to
contribute
to
and
benefit
from
these
systems.
I
think
like
the
work
you're
doing
at
solo
is
super
super
exciting.
D
Yeah
excited
to
win,
and
thanks
Luke,
that
was
an
excellent
presentation.
I
really
think
the
focus
of
ofp
and
first
off
that
you
guys
have
been
working
on
this
since
before
refi
was
a
hashtag
I
mean
two
and
a
half
years
is
quite
a
long
time.
So
it's
amazing
to
see
all
this
come
to
to
fruition
and
I
Know
It
Takes,
quite
a
lot
of
effort.
So,
let's
congrats
to
you
on
the
team.
D
A
D
Fine
yeah,
all
good
excellent,
great,
so
just
as
an
overview
I'll
just
quickly
go
through
what
climate
Collective
is
leading
into
cello
and
just
talking
about
sort
of
what
the
climate
applications
look
like
on
solo
today,
so
kind
of
zooming
out
a
little
bit
from
one
specific
project
and
we'll
talk
about
what
I
would
say.
More
broadly
is
going
on,
and
then
some
takeaways
that
I
had
from
from
the
weekend.
D
D
Building
at
this
intersection
of
web3
and
climate
with
the
actual
mission
is
to
develop
a
trusted
and
liquid
market
for
high
quality
digital
environmental
assets,
as
we
call
them
so
things,
for
example,
that
open
Forest
protocol
is,
is
bringing
on
chain
and
really
just
bringing
a
lot
of
the
supporting
data
to
prove
out
the
quality
of
some
of
these
projects.
That
is
just
very
difficult
to
do
today
in
terms
of
positioning.
You
know
we
are
very
closely
aligned
with
the
cello
ecosystem,
I
think
the
way
I
say
it.
D
We
have
one
foot
in
the
cello
ecosystem
and
the
other
very
much
well
at
the
moment,
dipping
our
toes
but
really
trying
to
get
more
involved
in
interoperability
and
cross-chain
functionality,
which
I
will
dive
into
a
little
bit
later,
but
high
level.
We
are
a
grant
giving
organization
so
about
28
grants
since
March
this
year.
Quite
quite
a
lot
to
keep
up
with,
but
I
will
be
going
into
some
of
those
shortly.
I
would
say
so.
D
So
anything
that
can
talk
to
each
other
today,
ideally,
should
be
so
part
of
it's
like
avoiding
redundancies
and
people
developing
the
same
same
pieces
of
infrastructure
or
products
coordinating
road
maps
and
fostering
strategic
Partnerships
I
would
say
we
had
a
interesting
protocol
review
workshop
for
one
of
our
projects
a
couple
weeks
ago
where
filecoin
came
up
and
again
I
will
get
to
that
shortly.
Last,
but
very
much,
not
least
developing
visibility
and
Community
Education
around
around
the
broader
space.
D
So,
as
mentioned,
we
are
very,
very
closely
aligned
with
the
with
the
cello
ecosystem,
of
where
the
climate
Collective
I
would
say.
Spun
out
of
the
initial
North.
Star
was
essentially
this
vision
of
sacred
economics
where
you're,
essentially
collateralizing
they're
backing
money
by
things
that
we
care
more
about
not
gold
or
cattle,
as
it
used
to
be
hundreds
of
years
ago,
but
rather
nature.
D
So
in
a
way,
club
and
Collective
spun
out
of
that
ideal
with
the
seller
reserve
and
to
sell
a
Mento
stable
coins.
But
we
in
cello
itself
is
a
proof
of
stake.
You
know
evm
compatible
layer,
one
chain
everything
is
written
in
solidity,
same
token,
standards
across
so
fairly
familiar
to
developers,
but
I
might
ask
you
know
why.
Why
not
just
make
it
an
L2
and
the
main
reason
for
that
is
the
mobile
first
architecture
and
the
phone
number
linkages.
It's
not.
D
C
D
Phones
are
far
more
penetrated
than
let's
say
laptops
with
a
metamask
wallet.
So
we
really
think
you
know.
Cello
is,
is
a
great
tool,
especially
for
remittances,
really
reaching
the
end
user,
where
they're
at
which
is.
But
the
third
point
is
about
velora
and
like
mobile
first
wallets,
essentially
that
are
utilized
by
a
number
of
players,
some
of
them
more
with
respect
to
Ubi,
so
some
great
work
that
is
being
done
by
impact
Market.
There
was
a
very
interesting
pilot
right
at
the
start
of
covid
between
Grameen
Foundation,
cello
and
umoja.
D
So
yes,
so
since
the
start
of
the
year
and
climate
Collective
and
cello
collaboration,
there's
been
quite
a
as
a
lot
of
us
here
know,
there's
been
quite
an
explosion
of
projects
that
are
building.
You
know,
web3
applications.
So
a
couple
of
these
need
no
introduction
to
can
protocol
and
flow
carbon.
Probably,
but
there's
you
can
see
kind
of
the
way
we've
started.
D
D
What
do
I
know
about
the
ecological
State
or
the
priorities
in
Curacao
I
should
really
be
governed
by
the
local
population
there.
So
there's
this
concept
of
a
Geo
nft
that
then
gets
fractionalized
and
utilized
towards
this
the
stewardship,
but
just
wanted
to
to
highlight
that
as
well
as
a
interesting
integration
that
we
see
across
the
board.
D
Some
of
you
may
have
heard
of
may
or
may
not
have
heard
of
redemption
Dao,
but
some
interesting
ways
to
mobilize
Capital
either
whether
it's
towards
renewable
energy
or
towards
let's
say
amongst
like
different
types
of
projects,
of
course,
markets
places
where
you're
able
to
transact
I
won't
spend
too
long
there.
Apart
from
saying
you
know,
you
have
things
like
permission,
lists
liquidity,
pools,
permissioned,
kyc,
gated
exchanges,
nft
marketplaces,
OTC
swaps,
all
the
standard
tools
of
the
trade
that
that
you
would
expect
and
lost.
D
D
Talent
excitement
about
the
space,
so
this
high
level
is
the
I
would
say
the
different
categories
of
climate
activity
that
are
happening
on
solo,
some
of
them
the
taxonomy
and
the
schema
is
definitely
subject
to
change
and
trying
to
make
like,
in
theory
in
the
future
Plastics
might
become
its
own
vertical
or
biodiversity
for
that
matter.
But
as
things
stand,
this
seem
the
most
logical
groupings
for
for
the
slide
deck.
So
what
what
does
this
mean
for
for
us
here
and
why
am
I
talking
about
it?
D
I
am
starting
to
see
a
large
pattern
of
problems
that
can
can
be
really
nicely
solved.
I
think
through
a
part
like
a
integration
between
fileco
and
cello,
so
as
mentioned
dmrv
is,
is
the
key
unlock
in
this
space
and
there's
a
couple
different
approaches
to
it.
Openforce
protocol
has
certainly
been
pioneering.
It's
quite
a
robust
approach
from
the
start,
but
high
level
being
able
to
engage
a
wide
number
of
people
for
sourcing
ground
troops
about
environmental
claims.
D
So,
in
our
opinion,
this
requires
your
mobile
first
app
to
be
able
to
collect
this
data
and,
of
course,
robust
storage,
capabilities
for
photos
and
videos
and
I
think
ultimately
being
able
to
aggregate
all
of
this
in
one
place
and
over
aggregate.
All
of
this
over
time
in
one
place
would
actually
start
giving
us
a
much
better
picture
of
what
is
happening
in
on
the
ground.
D
So
certain
very
specific
examples
are
well:
one
is
Sylvie
who's
working
on
tree
planting
and
tree
stewardship,
but
the
one
that
I
really
wanted
to
dive
into
was
Simplex
DNA,
who
are
developing
what
they
call
a
proof
of
Life
protocol,
which
is
essentially,
you
can
think
of
it
as
a
backpack,
where
you
take
either
air
or
water
samples
in
this
backpack
ship
it
to
the
nearest
Simplex
DNA
lab.
They
then
do
Edna
barcoding
on
it
on
the
sample
and
essentially
figure
out
what
organisms
based
on
the
DNA.
D
What
organisms
are
actually
living
in
this
vicinity
so
at
least
being
able
to
Baseline
and
monitor
biodiversity
changes
over
over
time
and
I?
Think
just
going
Beyond
carbon
I
think
this
is
a
very
important,
a
vertical
to
focus
on
and
something
that's
very
difficult
to
quantify.
In
the
current
methodologies
like
we
have
ways
to
understand
carbon
sequestration,
but
biodiversity
is
far
more
nebulous
in
as
credits
as
credits
go
at
the
moment.
D
So
all
of
these
I
mean,
if
you
think
about
Edna,
is
fairly
complex.
You're
going
to
have
massive
data
sets
over
time
and
I
think
just
a
very
clear
fit
well,
either
between
the
let's
say,
lower
level,
not
lower
level,
but
more
simplistic,
taking
photos
of
a
specific,
a
piece
of
land
and
sending
it
to
filecoin
versus
actually
storing
these
large
environmental
data
sets
I
think
both
are
very
well
suited
to
on
this
cooperation
between
falcoin
and
cello.
D
This
leads
me
to
the
next
piece,
which
is
something
I
briefly
talked
with
Caitlyn
about
and
looking
forward
to
chatting
more
about.
It
is
now
once
we
have
this
massive
environmental
data
sets
actually
being
able
to
execute
computation
on
it
and
then
generate
meaningful
insights.
So
I
saw
Mark
had
shared
with
me.
D
The
recent
update
about
what
the
fvm
can
do
and
the
fvm
actors,
which
I
think
is
perfect
for
for
our
use
case
and
especially
that
it's
all
in
solidity
and
everything
that
developers
are
already
familiar
with
I,
certainly
think
that
the
fbm,
especially
the
actors
and
the
new
updates,
are
going
to
make
a
lot
of
this
process
far
more
efficient
for
us
and
as
I
think
a
couple
of
folks
have
said
already.
Co2
storage
I
think
we
have
a
lot
of
projects
who
are
asking
what's
the
standard.
D
What
is
the
data
that
you
need
and
like
kind
of
working
backwards
from
requirements
so
we'll
be
looking
forward
to
yeah
to
leaning
into
CO2
storage?
It's
interesting
where
CO2,
specifically,
whereas
we
have
we're
bringing
like
a
large
biodiversity
data
set,
for
example,
so
curious
what
those
schemas
might
look
like
and
I
think
it's
an
open
question
in
open
discussions.
D
This
it's
a
somewhat
tangential
question
to
to
the
broader
Community,
but
asking
hey
based
on
what
we
have
in
filecoin
fbm
actors.
Maybe
there's
some
nice
like
how
pandas
for
python
provide
some
nice
visualization
Solutions
I'm,
just
more
generally
curious.
If,
if
there's
anything
similar
for
for
filecoin
but
we're
very
tangibly,
we
have
examples
such
as
mrv
collective,
which
is
aggregating
a
large
amount
of
climate-based
data
to
be
able
to
essentially
commission
ratings
and
really
serve
as
this
aggregation
layer
to
be
able
to
combine.
D
Let's
say
remote
sensing
satellite
drones
on
the
ground
measurements,
all
sorts
of
different
data
and
secure
gain,
Forest
I
think
was
mentioned
in
Allen's,
Tech
and
another
very
exciting
project.
But
one
that
I'll
highlight
here
is
secured
carbon,
which
is
essentially
doing
I,
would
say,
like
a
feedback
loop
right
now,
we're
not
quite
measuring
the
atmospheric
content
of
CO2
across
different
places.
To
actually
to
see
hey
are
our
efforts
for
carbon
sequestration
in
a
certain
area
actually
having
the
intended
effect.
So
that's
another,
as
you
can
imagine.
D
So
first
is
on
a
circus
level,
or
one
thing
that
was
talked
about
at
the
conference
Last
Retreat
last
last
week
was
potentially
cross-chain
sdks
and
as
a
developer,
you
know
I
know
the
Pains
of
pulling
in
two
different
libraries
and
dealing
with
dependency,
trees
and
version
mismatches
within
like
between
those
two
libraries.
So,
ideally
it
would
be
great
to
just
have
hey.
Can
we
create
a
cross
chain
SDK
either
for
client
and
backhand
side?
D
But
can
we
abstract
some
of
these
common
patterns
just
upload
a
photo
taken
from
a
cello
dap
and
put
it
in
file
on
on
filecoin,
maybe
eventually
tying
that,
together
with
astral
protocol
and
adding
some
geospatial
logic
in
there,
but
starting
simple
with
just
abstracting?
Some
of
these
common
patterns-
next,
is
what
what
tooling
do
we
need?
D
What
are
the
current
pain
points
for
projects,
and
this
is
one
that
Alan
had
already
Alan
had
mentioned
in
the
start,
which
was
the
Gaia
E-Waste
project,
which
is
you
know,
a
dip,
not
carbon,
not
biodiversity,
but
a
different
type
of
real
world
asset
that
is
very
important
to
to
take
care
of
and
folks
that
are,
let's
say,
starting
their
development
Journey,
but
figuring
out
how
best
to
incorporate
both
both
pieces
of
infrastructure.
So
this
love
to
I
mean
if
anyone
wants
to
chat
individually
with
me
about
it.
D
I
will
my
contact
details
are
on
the
last
slide,
but
something
that
I,
along
with
cello
developer
relations,
I'm
very
interested
in
pursuing
of
how
best
can
we
make
this
easier
for
the
next
set
of
applications
that
is
developing
using
this
stack,
so
yeah
I'll,
just
wrap
up
here?
The
I
think
call
to
action
here.
D
We
should
be
I
mean
we
talk
about
Lego
blocks
a
lot
in
composability.
Each
L1
and
protocol
kind
of
ideally
wants
to
do
everything,
but
maybe
you
should
focus
on
what
they
do
best
and
then
we
can
combine
and
put
the
pieces
together,
as
I
was
alluding
to
in
the
in
the
previous
slides.
So
then
the
big
question
is
what
what
do
we
need?
In
theory,
this
is
possible
today.
So
what
do
we
need
to
really
make
this
happen
and
that
clever
Collective
wants
to
help?
D
As
mentioned,
we
are
we're
closely
aligned
with
the
seller
foundation
and
ecosystem,
but
really
trying
to
be
this
bridge
in
this
Gateway
for
web
3,
climate
or
refi
projects
across
all
the
different
genes
to
to
coordinate
collaborate
and
build
something
greater
than
the
sum
of
our
parts.
I'll
end
with
that
cheesy
line
there.
D
A
Awesome
yeah
the
the
cheesy
line:
let's
build
something
greater
than
some
of
our
parts
as
a
the
perfect
place
to
end.
Thank
you
and
everyone
that
was
great
I
didn't
realize
you
were
gonna
just
like
lay
out
an
entire
like
whole
collaboration
roadmap.
This
is
perfect.
Let's
do
it.
I
put
this
in
in
the
chat
but
like
yeah
cross
chain
sdks
for
environmental
projects
like
yeah.
That
sounds
like
a
really
really
high
high
impact.
A
You
know
point
for
us
to
us
to
collaborate,
a
lot
on
and
I
think
as
the
as
the
fvm
like
continues
to
roll
out
like
I,
think
there's
going
to
be
a
ton
of
opportunities
to
like
build
some
really
exciting
stuff.
There
yeah
I
mean
a
ton
of
things.
You
know
again
like
if
people
have
questions,
please
feel
free
to
you
know,
put
them
in
the
chat
or
like
raise
your
hand
or
unmute
I.
A
D
So
I
made
it
up,
so
I
would
say
it's
the
opposite,
because
we
were
talking
in
part
of
the
retreating.
We
were
talking
about
all
this
cross
chain
stuff,
but
how
most
things
on
the
same
chain
aren't
even
talking
to
each
other
at
the
moment.
So
it
was
saying:
hey,
let's
get
our
houses
in
order
and
intra
operability
and
then
we'll
get
towards
the
interoperability
for
which
the
infrastructure
is
not
quite
there.
Yet,
at
least
for
all
the
different
Bridges
and
things
like
that
got.
A
It
so
interoperability
is,
you
have
different
environmental
assets
that
are
tokenized
on
the
same
chain,
and
you
just
want
to
be
able
to
like
compare
between
them
or
like
make
statements
that
use
data
from
like
both
of
these
different
environmental
assets.
And
then
interoperability
is
you
have
one
thing
on
one
chain
and
another
thing
on
another
chain,
and
you
want
to
like
aggregate
them
or
make
some
some
statement
about
the
the
two
of
them
or
have
them?
A
Just
like
makes
so
much
sense
for
this
type
of
project
right
where
you're,
like
really
trying
to
like
we
were
talking
about
with
mfp,
like
in
Luke's
presentation
like
endless
people
on
the
ground
to
like
really
be
involved
in
this
stuff.
I
was
just
looking
up
as
you
were
talking.
Apparently,
there
are
6.64
billion
smartphones
in
the
world,
which
is
something
like
80
of
the
population
and
like
that's
not
that's,
not
phones,
right,
that's
like
smartphones,
which
is
like
insane
like.
D
D
Just
just
to
add
to
what
you
said
in
the
beginning
of
cloud
backing
all
the
stable
coins
by
natural
assets,
I
mean
I've
been
instructed
to
steer
clear
I
mean
just
while
the
morator
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
regulatory
uncertainty
post
this
summer
over
what
that
really
looks
like
so
it
certainly
it
is
continues
to
be
our
North
Star
but
being
fairly
cautious
about
how
that's
approached.
Definitely.
E
I,
don't
have
any
question
for
that,
but
I
just
feel
web3
has
the
way
of
recipient
the
world
when
I'm
in
the
shipping
the
world,
like
we
using
web3
and
for
physical
uses
like
in
the
process
whereby
we
have
proper
data
management,
you
can
see
traces
of
data
and
data
is
not
being
manipulated
by
anybody
before
an
AKA
can
think
of.
Like
hacking,
a
note,
it's
not
going
to
be
easy
to
manipulate
the
data,
so
this
this
is
going
to
give
us
opportunity
to
create
clean
data.
E
Let
me
say
clean
data,
clean
and
pure
data.
So
just
imagine
like
in
the
physical
world
where
we
are
right
now
we
are
trying
to
use
like
to
solve
climate
issues.
You
know
make
people
do,
for
example,
I'm,
like
the
recycling
project
I'm
working
on
making
people
to
try
to
do
more
to
make
the
environment
more
great,
more
green.
So
when
we
have
records
on
the
on
the
on
the
notes
like
on
the
notes
like
okay,
this
is
being
done
by
this
so
that
that
is
recorded.
So
nobody
can
go
and
tamper
with
it.
E
Nobody
can
you
know
so
it's
it's.
It
I
think
where,
where
we,
where
we
can
actually
really
take
take
over
is
when
it's
been
used
physically
and
more
than
virtual
right
now
we're
successful
we've
been
successful
with
nfts.
Now,
that's
something
virtual!
That's
something
valuable!
Let's,
let's
bring
it
to
the
real
world.
When
it's
in
the
real
world,
then
web
2
user
has
been
like
something
interesting.
This
is
something
more
interesting.
E
We
know
that
carbon
credits
it's
kind
of
I
I,
don't
know
what
not
is
it's
not
really
like
the
future,
but
it's
kind
of
like
the
future
carbon
credits.
You
know
so
people
can
use
cardboard
when
people
know
they
can
use
their
carbon
credits
to
buy
things
physically.
They
would
want
to.
They
want
to
make
the
ads
more
great.
You
know,
so
it's
giving
people
opportunity
who
don't
have
ways
to
get
source
of
income.
They
know
that
okay,
they
can
make
this
place
clean
with
their
carbon
credits.
E
They
can
use
it
to
survive
on
it
from
day
to
day
activity.
So
one
of
my
goals
actually
bringing
will
pray
to
the
physical
world
and
more
than
the
virtual
we've
done
a
lot
of
virtual
enough
enough
of
protocols
too
many
protocols.
Today,
too
many
games
project.
Well,
let's
bring
to
the
physical
world
and
that's
I
think
that
is
where
that
is
where
the
real
movement
is
actually.
A
Yeah
yeah
I
think
a
lot
of
people
quit
their
jobs
and
started
playing
like
play
to
earn
games.
You
know
a
few
months
ago,
or
maybe
a
year
ago
right
and
it's
like
if
the
if
the
play
to
earned
game
were
like
really
like
doing
good
work
to
protect
ecosystems
like
maybe
maybe
that
would
be.
Maybe
that
would
contribute
to
a
much
better
world.
I,
don't
know
everyone
just
do
you
have
other
thoughts.
D
Cases
like
you
know
how
you
were
describing
I
I
and
just
on
the
game
side.
I,
as
Alan
said
you
know,
maybe
there'll
be
some
I've
heard
of
a
couple
impact
tour
or
what
is
it
play
to
impact?
Something
like
that
that
that
type
of
model
curious?
What
that
will
come
in
I?
Think
it's
just
another
good
demands
like
source
of
consistent
demand
for
carbon
credits.
A
You
can
take
data
sourced
from
all
of
these
different
places
and
like
collate
them
in
order
to
to
get
a
really
good
snapshot
of
like
when
something
happens
on
chain
like
what
does
that
actually
mean
about
what's
going
on
in
the
ground
and
when
something
happens
on
the
ground
that
you
want
to
pay
someone
for
it
like.
How
does
that?
How
does
that
like
filter
into
into
digital
assets,
precisely.
D
And
Gregory
had
some
very
interesting
concepts
of
interchain
identity
and
all
I
mean
it'll
take
some
time
for
us
to
get
there,
but
basically
think
hey.
This
is
my
nirvon
Sello
address.
Is
this
address
that
and
they'd
be
able
to
hide
it
associate
across
all
the
different?
So
all
of
us
I
think
we
can
chat
about
ongoing.
D
But
if,
if
no
other
questions,
I
I
had
a
general
question
for
the
for
the
community,
which
is
more
broadly
I,
mean
of
your
thoughts
on
cello
and
like
maybe,
if,
if
you're
already
familiar
with
you
know,
development
on
Solo
or
just
broader
thoughts,
I
won't
take
anything
in
a
bad
way.
I
I'm
just
curious
what
the
what
the
developer
experience
is
like
at
this
point.
If
anyone
has
any
thoughts,
feel
free
to
to
get
in
touch,
yeah.
A
Anyone
here
who's
who's,
developed
on
cello,
who
wants
to
chime
in
we
can
also
we
can
also
stop
the
the
live
stream.
Now
we
normally
end
this
with
just
just
hanging
out
in
the
zoom
room
for
a
bit
and
chatting
so
we
can.
We
can
move
to
that
if
anyone
does
want
to
chime
in
before.
We
do
that
really
quick.
If
you
have
any
any
development
experience
on
solo
and
you
want
to,
you
want
to
mention
anything,
go
for
it.